Alex Ferrari 0:00
What's happening right now isn't as big, but it is it is rippling out throughout the world, which is the World Cup.

Cindy Edison 0:09
Well, it doesn't surprise me, and certainly doesn't surprise us. You can't go somewhere that you're not in alignment with. You can't experience a vibration or a manifestation of a vibration that you're not in alignment with. This is the shift in perspective. That light has always been there. The light that you're saying is coming in has always been there. It is humanity who is stepping into it. Get in touch with your real guidance. You know, it's not the teachers. It's not the politicians. It's not the laws.

Alex Ferrari 0:43
It seems that everyone's going. Wait a minute. This is all lies. So it's the media feeding us lies.

Cindy Edison 0:48
What's happening is people are...

Alex Ferrari 1:00
I like to welcome back to the show returning champion Cindy Edison. How you doing, Cindy?

Cindy Edison 1:04
Alex, so nice to be here. It's so peaceful, isn't it? The vibration I get from you is so peaceful. It's beautiful. Thank you.

Alex Ferrari 1:13
I I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I try tell that to my kids, but

Cindy Edison 1:20
No peace around kids.

Alex Ferrari 1:23
Exactly, exactly. So it's been a minute since you've been here. So for everybody, we did two other two other amazing episodes. If people want to learn about your backstory and all of that, but if you could just tell everybody just a quick, like you know, 32nd explanation of who you are, who Joseph is, and what you do.

Cindy Edison 1:43
Josef is a collective consciousness of teachers, and we are teaching from the expanded consciousness of Seth and Abraham. We are part of that expansion, the expansion of that message of you create your own reality. Started with Seth, and then Esther brought in the vibrational component, and we are expanding on that. We are teaching the evolution of the human aspect. You know, we're on the precipice. Some of us are on the precipice of moving into the next realm of consciousness, the fourth dimension, what the human has named it, which is kind of the bridge between the third and the new Earth, and so it's a vibrational perspective shift that we teach on how to get there. You know, we have to dump all our fear that we have gathered up in this third dimension in our physical vibration, and move forward and create a new aspect. So I started. Oh boy! I started this journey consciously in 2003 I was introduced to Abraham first, the group. group, whoever they were, JC was my first connection, I believe, in 2009 and then Joseph stepped forward in 2016 and we've been moving forward since then. So that's the deal.

Alex Ferrari 3:18
And so, for all the Catholics in the room, Josef is not the Josef. It's a collective of of many energies. Correct?

Cindy Edison 3:27
Yes. Yeah. It's not the Joseph in the Bible. Yeah. But they are. Yeah. They chose that name, and they they tell us in their in their book. They say we only gave a name because you guys want one. You know, they don't go by names, of course, because they're consciousness. So they gave it, so we would have something to refer to. So that's the only reason they labeled themselves.

Alex Ferrari 3:51
So it's been about two years since you've been on the show. How has your relationship with Josef changed over that time?

Cindy Edison 3:59
It's gotten crazy, actually. My word, not there. They were never. They have changed our. Sorry, I'm get every time they come in. I well, they changed our description as I have become more and more aware of of them and the purpose here, and since we are teaching the evolution of the human, and that involves shifting our dominant creative vibration from the earth plane, the third dimensional contrasting vibration that we've been creating from ever since we stepped our physical toe in this realm, to the vibration of the soul, which is pure loving, we are exempling our message. They they said to me a while ago. Now they said, "Well, you have to start doing it now, Cindy. And I'm like, "Wait a minute! You mean I actually have to do this stuff? You know? And that's when it gets. That's when it starts to get sticky. You know, so my relationship with them over the past two years, we've kind of been hermiting a little bit, expanding and practicing, and shifting and creating a new belief system, and really understanding what the evolution of the human is all about, and that is moving out of this third dimension into the next realm of physical experience, which is the fourth, you know, human label, the fourth. And so the last label they gave me was: you are now a blended conscious conscious channel, which means which we all are. We are all blended beings, blended from the realm of consciousness that we happen to be experiencing. Which, in this case, our case, the human case, is the third dimension, which offers contrast for the purpose of choosing, and our soul, who you know we always are. So we are a blend of those two vibrations, and our focus is what creates our reality. First, non-physically, and then in the physical world, that's what we create. That's what we experience. So they've been taking me through many, many experiences to understand more what that shift really means. We don't move forward carrying a bag of fear. We can't because as we move into the next realm of consciousness, we will experience a new aspect. We are co-creating a new aspect of the soul, who will experience the new earth? But it is an aspect who is dominantly creating from the soul, as opposed to creating from the contrast. So it's a whole different experience. We're creating from love there instead of what is referred to as fear. We say it's out of alignment, which is why it feels bad. So that's what they've had me doing. I've been hermiting for a couple years, and for the purpose of expansion to the next step. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 7:14
Well, what's the biggest lesson that Josef has taught you recently?

Cindy Edison 7:17
Oh God, there's so many. Pick one, and they're all big, you know. They're all big because they are all shifts. And I think the one that has made the biggest impact on me is probably the power of our focus and the power of what we have within us-that soul vibration, that creative force-to create what we want. I've had so many experiences where I've, and it's hard because, as they say, with every level of expansion comes a new level of trust, and so when when and this is all uncharted territory that we're moving into. We have never, as this aspect, we have never been dominantly creating from our soul vibration ever, as this aspect. And so, you know, creating a new belief system that is exchanging-not really changing anything-we're creating new. We're we're going from the belief and experience of lack, for instance, to abundance, and people say, "Well, you know, all the doubting Thomases out there. And understanding the Bible teachings has been a big one for me too. And how? Well, when you look at the teachings of Jesus, actually, from the beginning of the Bible, if you can read the Bible, which I have done now under this new perspective, from a vibrational perspective, it changes the meaning of everything. It changes for me. It has changed the meaning of everything. Everything he said, and not everything. I don't sit down and read the Bible every night, certainly, but they have brought me back to certain areas of Jesus' teachings. And when so, when I read like the Bible, or even of course in miracles, when I read pieces of that, I am translating from the Joseph perspective, I'm translating them to a vibrational perspective, and it changes. Of course, when you change the perspective, you change the understanding, and understanding is what breeds expansion. You know, there's not really fear. There's lack of understanding, and that's a big lesson for me too. Because when you when you understand something differently from a different perspective, your whole experience of it changes, right?

Alex Ferrari 9:54
I mean, I'll use the analogy of of my language, which is movies and storytelling, and. You can watch a Stanley Kubrick movie at 18, and then watch that same that same Stanley Kubrick movie at 50, and go, oh, oh, I see what they were doing. That's what great art does. Like you can watch it when you're at a certain place, or read a good book. I read autobiography of a yogi when I was in my 20s, and it was so far beyond where I was, that I literally couldn't finish it, and then in my 40s I picked it back up, and I was like, "Oh, I felt the energy, I felt the vibration. It was like I was ready to even hear those teachings because I just wouldn't wrap my head around it. So it's interesting when you when you say the Bible, because the Bible, for me, the Bible many times is triggering because of a lot of the dogma and a lot of the issues and a lot of the fear-based stuff that's inside of it. But when you pull out Jesus's true teachings, you know the Gnostic teachings, if you will, it's a completely different. You know, like like so many people say, like people don't leave Christianity because of Jesus's teachings. They leave because of either the dogma or Paul,

Cindy Edison 11:05
Right! Exactly, exactly. Yeah, but his teachings were vibrationally based.

Alex Ferrari 11:11
Yes,

Cindy Edison 11:12
There's no question. You know, he was teaching it back then, and but we have to understand too, and that with every teaching that we have all experienced, you know, coming up, we've all had tons of teachers. I've had so many amazing teachers throughout my lifetime, just in this lifetime. But remember, our physical vibration, the makeup of you as Alex, you know, that physical vibration you picked up again when you left here the last time, it lied dormant on that timeline, and so when you expanded back into your soul, whatever however you want to say that, and then your soul refocuses and says, "We're going to go expand Alex again. That physical vibration is the same, but now you have expanded who you are by way of the soul, so it's so the teachings that have brought us to this point. The Bible is a huge, you know, of course, in miracles too. Same, same kind of thing. But the awareness of those who are translating is key, you know, is is paramount. Which is why there is fear. Which is why they're, you know, they teach. I mean, God. I was raised Catholic, and we were taught fear God, fear God, the fear of God. How many times have you heard that? You know,

Alex Ferrari 12:28
The Old Testament God. Yeah, the Old Testament God.

Cindy Edison 12:30
Exactly. Yeah, yeah. And so that, but that's, but it was given at the perfect time for the expansion purposes of humanity. you know every teaching. Every teaching they they moved me toward the Course in Miracles probably 15 years ago now, and I I bought the book, picked it up, didn't understand one word. I couldn't get through the first 10 pages. I was totally and I I said you, I don't know who's given me this? Because at that time I didn't have the connection, and and I put it away 10 no not 10 years later wasn't 10 years later it was certainly three or four years later or more. I picked it up again. That's when I had the connection. I said they said they pointed and picked that up, read it through, understood everything, so it's all it's all about our own awareness of who we are, vibrationally.

Alex Ferrari 13:29
Is it so it's very similar. This is interesting. So it's very similar to like when you are vibration attracts. So likes attracts like. In other words, so that's why I always joke is like you never see, you never hear a yogi or a walking master get mugged, like because that energy doesn't make sense. It doesn't connect. You know, there's it's not there. So similarly, you know, you're not going to. You might be able to view it from a distance, but you're not going to connect with that energy on a personal level, so that's why when some sometimes you meet, or across your path, a certain person comes in, and you just like repelled by that person just from the energetic standpoint. Just like I don't understand why, but that person just makes me, or the opposite, you're like, oh my god, I'm that person makes me feel so good being in the room with them, like, and I can't even understand it. Similarly, with with teachings and books and movies and ideas, whichever way they come in, you have to be ready to hear. Because there's books that I picked up in my 20s that blew my mind, but if I pick those books up today, they're rudimentary. They're just like one plus one is two. Yeah. Because I've been my my understanding has left that those teachings not behind, but they're just part of my foundation now.

Cindy Edison 14:51
Yes.

Alex Ferrari 14:51
So they don't resonate. But there are many books I picked up. I was like, yeah, this is yeah. You can't be talking about. Yeah, like I can't. Can't even understand this. What am I doing here? There are books like that, and there are books like that now that I'll pick up. I'll go, yeah, I'm not ready. Okay, let me put that back. You know, because we're all on a journey.

Cindy Edison 15:11
Absolutely, yeah. And it's all about awareness. You know, it's all about awareness, and so it's you know our. I don't want to say goal,

Alex Ferrari 15:22
Mission?

Cindy Edison 15:23
Mission. I was going to say mission. Yeah, our mission is to really lead people into the next realm, and that is by expanding the awareness of who they are by saying this is what you've been doing. Now, I we all have friends like this. I have a friend who is riddled with fear. She said to me the other day, "I don't even want to go out of my house anymore. She's involved in all the political stuff, and she's involved in all the foods. You know, all the stuff's going on now, and and I watch it too. But I have a whole different perspective. Agreement. I just want to see what's going on, and I just kind of laugh at it. And she is riddled with fear. And you can tell. And everybody has these people in their lives, right? We're still in third dimension. We're still here. So we see it, we experience it, and I and I watch her her whole life. She's either sick, doesn't feel good. Doesn't have money for this. Doesn't have money for that. The car broke down. There's constant, constant manifestations of her focus. That focus on the bad stuff. The focus on the chaos. The focus on the contrast as opposed to the focus on her soul vibration of love. So I sit and I'm happy and I meet wonderful people and I'm more abundant now in many ways than I ever was and more peaceful now than I ever was just by following the guidance. And so we want to encourage people to connect with their soul first and foremost. The past couple weeks, a lot of people have been talking about this unconditional love, and they're looking for this unconditional love through people. And we say that the unconditional love that everybody is looking for is the love that the soul is-the love that we really are. When you are, I know you get this. So when we are in alignment with the soul vibration, we attract that same in other people. We attract that same in experiences. We we are emitting that beautiful alignment and like you when Jesus said you know the devil is beneath my feet that's a translation we say of the the contrast is beneath me now I have risen above it my vibration has risen above it you can't touch me now you know you can't touch me. I mean, this fearful person. She won't go certain places. Don't do this. Don't do that. What if you get mugged? What if you? I don't even think about that stuff.

Alex Ferrari 18:10
It's funny. I was I was speaking to a relative. I won't say who, but a relative, and I was telling, like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be going to the city to do a talk, and the first thing they said, they're like, "Oh, that's a very dangerous. This is funny. I was going to the city, and they're like, "Oh, that's a very dangerous city. There's a ton of homeless there. The it seems like it's anarchy. And then, and then I knew instinctually what city they meant, which was in Oregon, Portland, Oregon, which is not where I was going, and and of course there was that whole. There's a lot of press around, you know. They took over those blocks, and there's all that kind of stuff. It's just a while ago, and I'm like, no, that's and this is the funniest thing. I go, no, I'm not going there. I'm going another city. You're mistaken about the city. They're like, oh well, that city also has this too. I'm like, what do you like? What do you know?

Cindy Edison 19:03
That's exactly it.

Alex Ferrari 19:04
They just they couldn't get out of they couldn't get out of the fear. I wanted to ask you something, Cindy, because I think there's something going on right now in the world that is so fascinating to me. I've never seen this before. So just like in 2020, obviously the world stopped, and there's a lot of stuff that happened, and we it was a very big moment for humanity. This what's happening right now isn't as big, but it is it is rippling out throughout the world, which is the World Cup. The World Cup. I am not a I was not. I was not a soccer fan. I am now a soccer fan. I'm like I'm like hooked in. I'm watching it. Yeah, three three to four and a half billion people watch soccer around the world, so it is the biggest sport. But the beauty of all of these, you know, foreign country, foreign you know visitors coming to the U.S. and. Experiencing what the U.S. has to offer, and not only the freedom, but the but our culture, the people, and the thing that I keep seeing again and again that like they've been lying to us about what America is. They've been lying to us about what the people are, and when we as Americans travel abroad, like when I've been to Europe, so many myths were completely like, no, this not that's I don't care what you say, it's not dangerous to be here, and it's not these people are wonderful, and we've got nothing but beauty, and and they're seeing that from our our point of view as well, and it seems that everyone's going. Wait a minute! This is all lies. So it's the media feeding us lies, of like fear-based lies, and they're like, and then this is my favorite. Like one of the one of the people are saying like, I think it might be the politicians who have problems with each other, not us. We like people like people generally around the planet want the same thing to be happy, to have take care of their family, to have a roof over their head, to enjoy their lives, to find some purpose in it. No matter if you're anywhere on the planet, those are the basic understand things that we all want. So we have that common thing, but we are separated by media, by politicians, by organizations, by religions, by companies who profit from our separation and our fear from of each other, and it. But it's becoming clearer and clearer now because of social media, and everyone's starting to see. Well, wait a minute. If the Tartan army from Scotland could come in and drink Boston dry, and they left. And Boston's like they're having withdrawals from having all the Scots there. It's beautiful. It's like like it's amazing. What do you think about what's happening?

Cindy Edison 21:56
Well, it doesn't surprise me, and certainly doesn't surprise us. what's happening is people are are of course waking up, and we're always waking up, and of course technology is helping that. But there is a I want to give you a different perspective of that whole thing. If you can go with me on this for a second, a lot of people are teaching, and I've been hearing it for, and I've followed it for a long time. Never quite understood. People are saying, and I understand it. I mean, I understand why they're saying it. And Joseph told me we were talking about it one day, where people were saying, "There's so much light coming into the planet. There's so much light coming into the planet, and people are reacting to it. But sometimes it's a bad thing that the reaction is a bad thing, and I never understood that. I don't really follow that kind of stuff, but I'm interested to to see it, but I never really get it. So I said to Joseph one day, "Can you explain this to me? What is all this stuff going on with this light? It seems to be from what I'm hearing here on the outside of me. It seems to be causing more chaos than good. And they said, Cindy, you have to understand that this is the shift in perspective. That light has always been there. The light that you're saying is coming in has always been there. It is humanity who is stepping into it by expanding their awareness. So we're not being flooded with light, which I is great news. You know, humanity is waking up and saying and seeing another door that's down that hallway. You know, so go ahead.

Alex Ferrari 23:40
No, no, it's it's in it like Newton saying, "Oh, the apple fell. There must be gravity. Gravity's always been there. We just figured it. Now we just or radio, radio signals have been around forever. We just we just we're able to finally build a machine to connect to that. So we are waking up to a point where we can connect to it. It's beautiful,

Cindy Edison 24:01
Yeah, yeah. So what's going on in the world right now is a lot of that. It's the awakening, and people don't really know what to do with it for the most part. And I, and it all comes down to, and far from our perspective, anyway, it comes down to personal choice. You've got to choose to go with the flow and get in line with the soul, or continue to create a chaotic life. I mean, I see what's going on out there. I but what I'm attracting now is all that beautiful stuff, all the beautiful stuff from the fourth that you know, proud to be an American. Wow, overwhelmed with joy because of that. But this fearful friend of mine, first thing she said was, "Did you see all those terrible singers? They had to replace. And I'm like, "Don't do that now. Don't pick. Abraham has said for a long time, you know, if you're going to continue to look at what is, you will continue to create. And that's by way of our focus. We've got to focus on the soul vibration. It's shocking what happens. So people are making choices, and which is causing this. It's like an overwhelming influx of. There's a there's a chaos over here, and there's a beauty that we've never even recognized before on this side, and so it comes down to choosing. It comes down to choosing and creating by way of our focus what we prefer to experience in this physical world, we are all on a pathway forward, all, and we are walking out of this dimension, choosing our way out of this dimension, whether we're aware of it or not. We're making choices in every single moment. There are two vibrational pathways in front of us in every moment, and by way of our focus, we create our experience of it, so we can experience the chaos that's happening and get involved in all the politics and all that stuff, and continue to live that and create our own reality from that vibration. Or we say, you know what, that's going on there, but I don't have to pay attention to that. The same thing with 2020. You know, I never thought, I never gave it a second thought. Really, I thought it was all BS. And and Joseph said, you know, just create your own reality. Keep focusing on alignment. Focus on alignment. And that's what I did. And it never really affected me. You know, not me personally, but I mean, I saw the crap from it. But it's really, it's it's really amazing how powerful we are just by way of our focus and choosing a vibration.

Alex Ferrari 26:51
Yeah, I think we're more afraid of what we're capable of than what we're not capable of. To be honest with you,

Cindy Edison 26:56
That's probably true. But I'll tell you, when we are focusing on alignment, Joseph told me a few years ago, just focus on alignment. Don't pay attention to what's going on. This was about the 2020 time. Don't focus on what's going on. Focus on your own alignment. Learn this. Learn this. Do this. Do this. And of course, it was difficult, you know, to do that because I'm seeing this and they're saying, "Do this. I'm like, I, you know. So it's confusing, but the one thing that we can be assured of is when you look at everything as a vibrational foundation, you can see what you're creating for yourself. You're living it. What we don't know is the pathway forward? What's going to happen there? But the most important part of that is that we do know that that's the soul's eternal path, and that is a path of alignment. And when you are in the pathway of alignment, the doors that open for opportunity on that pathway are also in alignment.

Alex Ferrari 28:04
That's beautiful.

Cindy Edison 28:04
So you're creating from that vibration, and when you're creating from the contrast on that pathway, those doors of opportunity open too, because that's where your focus is. It's a choice in every moment.

Alex Ferrari 28:17
So, Cindy, let me ask you and remind me, because it's been a little bit. When you channel Josef, is it kind of like it's he's they are always there, and you just kind of come through, or do you do a trance channel? If you can remind me,

Cindy Edison 28:29
No, it's always they're here now, and they're always here. And this is what this is another example of what we're teaching too. When you are focusing more on alignment, which I do now, which is why they hermited me for a couple years so I could get into that mode. When you are focused more on alignment, you become more like your soul because now your soul vibration is the dominant vibration of you, and so you are behaving in that way more than not. So a lot of times I play games with them. I talk to them all the time. I feel them. Right right now, they are more present than they are on a normal day when I'm just hanging out. They're more present. I feel the vibration in my body. My whole body's tingling right now, which which is fantastic, I love it. But it's always it's that's that's the goal is to be led by your soul by focusing on your soul, shifting that dominant vibration, so you can create your next aspect, the next aspect of us who is dominant in the soul. That's what the whole thing is. The new earth, the aspect of the new earth, is 100% soul. So we need to take that walk over the bridge.

Alex Ferrari 29:53
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Cindy Edison 30:14
And make that shift in our perspective.

Alex Ferrari 30:17
So let's let's bring in Joseph a little bit more specifically. I want to ask them some questions through you, and I have a bunch of stuff I want to kind of go into. Why do we, as individuals and as humanity as a whole, and I want a two-part answer, if it's possible for us in a micro level, us ourselves, and also as a macro level, as humanity, keep repeating the same painful patterns in our lives and in our experience. So, as a person, how why do we do it? And as a collective, why do we keep doing it? Because obviously, we're doing it now more than ever. We keep the same painful. We could just you when you're sitting on the sideline watching it, you're just like, what are you doing? You're choosing the same thing again, like it's crazy. So what does what does Josef have to say?

Cindy Edison 31:11
You just answered the question. You just you just keep yeah you just keep choosing it.

Alex Ferrari 31:18
But, why?

Cindy Edison 31:19
You just well because here's the reason why: the momentum that humanity has built, creating from the contrast, since we got here, since we stepped foot, we were created specifically to experience a physical realm that offered contrast for the purpose of choosing to expand the soul, the Godhead, the aspect, every aspect. So, so you have to understand. You know, Abraham has taught for a long time. It's a lot less painful. This is not verbatim when you hit a tree going five miles an hour than when you hit it going 100 the momentum is moving us. The momentum. So when you create something that specifically talking about the individual, when you keep recreating, we see this a lot with relationships. We see people saying it's the same relationship, a different face. It's the same. He's treating me the same way. She's doing the same thing to me she did to that guy, or this is the same relationship I've had over and over and over, and that's because everything is based in vibration, every single thing, and the reason we keep choosing it is because the momentum is so strong in that contrasting vibration, the physical vibration of us that creates our physical body, our fire physical senses, everything, and we keep choosing it because we know what to expect. First of all, we know it. I had a my sister who I was coaching for a long time several years ago, she was doing really well. She called me up one day, really mad. Something happened at work, and she's yeah, and she was not a yeller, but she was mad. And I said, "Stop, stop! Now's the perfect time to shift this. And this is typical of the human. She said, "No, I'm too mad now. I'm not doing it now. I'm not doing that stuff now, so this is why the momentum for her anger was so strong. She had to vent first of all, but this is this is the reason that we keep choosing it is because we are we are not aware of our opportunities to choose something else. A lot of people that I a lot of clients they say I never knew I had a choice, and this is where we are now. Everything is a choice. Everything is a choice, and so if you keep creating, you can look at the life you're living, and people say, "Well, that's just the way I am. That's the way my parents were. That's the way my grandparents were. It's just the way I am. It's just it's not. It's the physical aspect of you. That's the way your physical aspect is, but that's not the way the soul is. You can change on a dime. Not easy, but you can. But we're we just keep recreating it because the momentum is so strong. In order to shift your perspective, and in order to dominantly shift from the contrast to the soul perspective of things, we have to create a new momentum that's based in that vibration, and it's a sharp right turn. It's not there. I mean, we every time we experience love in any form, whether it's from a dog, a person, it doesn't matter. Anytime you experience love or joy or peace, whatever that is, that little spark expands you and your soul and the Godhead, and that's what we're trying. We're we're we're trying. To coach people and lead people toward the opportunity to create something new, and they have to see it.

Alex Ferrari 35:08
So that the momentum-I love that. By the way, it makes so much sense because it can go both ways: the momentum of good or positive in your life, and the momentum of negative in your life. It is truly up to you, and I think we've all had bursts of that where you start going to the gym or maybe start eating right, and the momentum of that starts to go. I'm gonna go walking every day, and then you build that habit, and it starts going. But then somewhere along the line, life gets in the way. You choose that, and your mind's like, you know what? Why are you getting up to go work out? Really, is it doing anything? And then you start talking, and then you start slowing down the momentum kind of scenario, and I think that exactly what's happening with us. But as a collective, it sounds to me that on the individual, as long as the individual continues the momentums in certain ways, all of humanity continues to go that way. But there is so many people waking up, and please correct me if I'm wrong. There's so many people waking up and so many people choosing a different path that that's what's causing a lot of the the chaos that's happening in the world because a group of us are moving in this direction while the some other ones are like no no no I like this stuff because I feel safer with this pain and this turmoil I know this it's kind of like when you're in a bad relationship, like you know. I'm knowing I'm an abusive relationship. They abuse me. They yell at me. They belittle me. But it's the devil I know. Versus, I deserve this new positive thing. It's like what you know. I I once dated a girl years ago where she'd had really bad experiences with her relationships, and then she met me, and I was the complete opposite of it. And she literally broke up with me. She's like, I can't, I don't, I don't know how to have you in my life. I go, but I did nothing wrong. She's like, I, I, I don't know, I, I can't wrap my head around this. I, I don't know how to deal with someone who's kind to me, and and she didn't even articulate that. But that's what it was. Like you're kind of us. This that it was weird. So is that what that means with humanity? And is that what it means with with humanity as well? That until more of us get to that place, we can't shift the boat in a way, the ship.

Cindy Edison 37:20
Well, no, you're building a new boat. First of all, you're building a new boat. Those people that are creating the contra, creating from the contrast all the chaos and everything, understand this too. That as you expand, as we all individually expand our awareness, and we bump into that chaos or the the fearful person. It is much more intense for us at a at an expanded level. So it seems like it is more chaotic, but the chaos has always been there. It's always been there. We're just shifting our perspective about it. We see more of it when we look at it. We looked at it. We lived it for so long, and now we're moving away from it. So when we get a glimpse of it, we go, "Oh, that's horrible, because it's kind of like it. You know, it affects for me anyway. It affects me physically when I watch anything that is out of alignment. I can't. I can't do it anymore. It used to upset me, but I would still watch like this. But but I don't even go there anymore. I don't even want to expose myself to that vibrate. Why? You know, it's not good. So it's not that. Remember Abraham. Abraham always has been teaching too, which is a beautiful thing. One in alignment is more powerful than a million who aren't. So you're building your own boat, and the rest of us are jumping on it. We're being we're being called to that boat that's sailing to the fourth dimension, and it doesn't have anything to do with anybody else. The human collective, the individual, has a dominant creative vibration. The human collective has a dominant creative vibration, and it is shifting as the individuals shift one at a time, two more, three more, four more. Remember the. I know you must remember this. There was a commercial. I don't remember. Somebody's going to say whatever this is. Maybe Prell. I don't know shampoo. I don't. I don't remember what it was. But I told two friends, and and she told two friends, and then so on, and so on, and so on. And all of a sudden, they had this huge audience. It's like that. You're attracting. The more you expand your awareness and create this amazing platform to teach all of this stuff. You are expanding the Godhead. You're expanding the vibrational pull. Let's say you're you're helping to create the momentum to move people forward, and we have to create that momentum individually too. And as we do it individually, we are the collective,

Alex Ferrari 40:03
Right! And it also ripples out energetically to everybody around us and everybody we interact with, essentially, because people see as as an example, like, oh, I don't have to be the way I have been. I don't have to do that. I can actually look look at Cindy, look what Cindy's doing. You know, even if she doesn't, if they don't know that you are a channel of Josef and anything like that, just your energy as a human being walking the path, people can, if they're ready for it, and that's the other thing, you know, if this conversation is being watched by somebody right now, the universe has put it in their path for a reason.

Cindy Edison 40:37
No question. Yeah, there's no question. It's there's

Alex Ferrari 40:40
No accident.

Cindy Edison 40:42
There are no axes. There are no accidents because everything is vibrational. That's why we're shifting from a physically created reality to a vi to an awareness of vibrational creation because every manifestation is created non-physically first from the beginning of time, universal law. Everything is non-physical first, and through our focus, we bring it in because the universe says, "Oh, I love you so much. I want you to experience what you're envisioning. Oh, how wonderful that will be! What are you envisioning? The universe is matching it. Law, you're attracting what you're focused on, and you're and as you continue to focus on it, you're building the momentum on that little pathway toward that experience, that physical experience of your focus. It's a whole shift in our perspective and understanding vibration. You're that girlfriend ago. She didn't understand you. I lost a lot of people in my life. Family members-they don't understand me, you know. And a lot of teachers, when I talk to teachers, they say the same thing. I'm so lonely. People are dropping off by the wayside. Well, yeah, because as you're moving forward on your path, a whole different timeline. It's a whole different vibe. You're not attracting from that same pool anymore, you know, it's movement. It's movement.

Alex Ferrari 42:04
Is that why we sabotage many times? People sabotage their own happiness, even though it's right there. Like the example of that girl in my past, that it was right there. There could have been happiness there. There could have been something there. Obviously, it wasn't meant to be, but it was maybe a an expression of like an example of like this this what could be, and maybe later down the line she she found someone that made sense for her, but why do we is that why we sabotage happiness? Because I've sabotaged happiness in my life. There's no question, you know, and in my in my life I think we all do at a certain point, but is that why?

Cindy Edison 42:41
We sabotage it because we don't we don't we can't see through that next door. We can't see. First of all, our awareness is something that most people are not aware of. So we're only they don't they don't believe that you can't imagine how many people say to me, "I just don't I don't deserve this. I don't deserve it. And if you have a belief that you don't deserve something, there's no way you're going to experience it. You know that that not deserving is so out of alignment. You know because that's what we're taught. We're taught and and remember too that this physical vibration that we are today is a compilation of every single physical experience, every conversation, every belief we have ever had through our journey in the third dimension. It doesn't drop off. I mean, you know, I've been here 1000s. You've been here 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of times, and we are expanding by way of our soul. We're always there, you know. But when we kick off, we take our the only thing we take with us is the love. The only thing that is in alignment with where we're going, and that's you know a rule of thumb. You can't go somewhere that you're not in alignment with. You can't experience a vibration or a manifestation of a vibration that you're not in alignment with. It doesn't work that way, you know. And that's why the vibrational perspective is so important to understand now.

Alex Ferrari 44:14
I want to tell you a story really quickly. I just saw this story and I thought it was so beautiful. There was this man, British man who was he he was just unsatisfied. He was a teacher. He was tired of being broke all the time and struggling. And he's like, man, I had to go do something else because I wasn't happy. And then he goes, then at 40, I decided to become a monk, and he went into a monastic life. He went to a monastery, and he lived in a monastery for 28 years. And then he came out. And then the guy that was interviewing him goes, "Why did you, why did you first go in, and why did you come out? I mean, you seem to have been happy. You were there 28 years, and it's." It's a monastery. It's like you know, full blown monastery at the top of a of a mountain somewhere, you know, and you know, very simple, basic, yeah, very basic life. And he's like, well, God draw drew me there. The same force that drew me to become a monk tapped me on the shoulder and is like, it's time for you to go back into the world, and I needed that time. and And the the kid that was interviewing him, and it was a kid, literally like a 20 year old, and he's like, "What was it like? He's like, "Well, you know, a lot of people think being a monk is very, you're taking a lot of things away from you. You don't have the technology. You don't have experiences. It's just a very basic life-and he goes. But what I discovered-it was extremely freeing because I had no idea what was going on in the world. I was in a bubble, and while I was in there, I didn't have society telling me what I should believe, what I shouldn't believe, what I should fear, what I shouldn't fear. It was just me and my creator for 20-eight years. He goes now. I've come out of that, and I'm in the world, and I'm, you know, and I forgot what he's doing. I think he's. I don't know if he's retired or if he's. I don't know. I don't know. He goes, but I'm in the world now. He goes. The good thing about now is that, and he's British, so this makes sense if you if you know Brits. He's like, well, now every once in a while I can go down to the pub to get a pint. You know, I couldn't do that in the monastery. He goes, so there's there's things about life that I really enjoy. He goes, but I look at life so differently, and I walk through the path of life so differently now, that is remarkable. I thought that was so beautiful, but the thing that stuck with me is goes, I don't have anyone telling me what to think or how to believe, which falls into religion, which falls into governments, which falls into media, which falls into companies, everyone. And I goes, no, I made my own decisions about life because I was looking inward, which is what Christ talked about at the beginning. The kingdom of heaven is within you. Very basic stuff here. Very simple, simple teachings. But isn't that a beautiful story, though?

Cindy Edison 47:14
It's a beautiful story, and I I love that story. It's so true because we say a lot too that since we started walking this path in the third dimension as this aspect, we have been creating our realities, our experiences from outside of us, from our five physical senses, which are all foundationed in vibration. By the way, which is why we teach the sixth sense, which is the vibrational portion, which is the sixth sense, is really the man behind the curtain. You know, the sixth sense has got you. Got to shift your perspective to that, which is within. Which is within. They took me. I remember when I first started this path in 2003 They took me into Christianity, like I had never seen it before. Race Catholic, I never read the Bible. You know, we didn't know. We were just taught fear God, fear God, fear God, and we sat in the pews like this, and so I didn't know anything. But they took me into that, read the Bible several times. This is a long time ago, obviously. Three years to the day. Three years to the day it stopped, and they said, "Now, you know. I actually stood up and said, "You're not in in a moment. I held my Bible up and I said, "I know you're not contained in here. Now you have to teach me, and everything changed. You know, they showed me the way to look at the Bible vibrationally, really, and it changed my whole perspective. Just like this guy, they're saying go within, go within, get in touch with your soul, get in touch with your real guidance. You know, it's not the teachers, it's not the politicians, it's not the laws. You know, it's not that stuff, because when you're in alignment, that stuff doesn't. It doesn't even play a role, you know.

Alex Ferrari 49:03
So what? What is the first step to ending this suffering that we, this pain that we we are constantly going through? This kind of, you know, it's how can we create a new momentum in our in our lives? You know, how do you

Cindy Edison 49:17
Through focus. Through focus. Yeah, meditation helpful. Yes, meditation is great for some people. Doesn't work for some people. I haven't been able to meditate in probably a year and a half. I've tried, but I I just go through waves, you know. But meditation can be sitting on the dock on the edge of a lake, or gardening, or painting, or whatever. It's focus. It's focused. It's creating. It is, and they started me off this way too. When I was meditating a lot, they would create these pathways in my mind's eye, and they would say, "Now create an experience you want to have. And I go, "What do you mean? Create an? What do you mean? What do you mean? We are the creators. A lot." A lot of people don't get that, you know, that we're creating by way of our focus anyway. In every moment we're creating. When you get a glass of water, you're creating the experience of drinking that water. I mean, little things, you know. And they said, now just create an experience. And I go, what? What are my guidelines? There are no guidelines. There's no limits, Cindy. So I created several experiences driving down 98 in Florida, you know, beach on one side and a mountain chalet on the other. It doesn't matter what it is because what we're going for is the recognition of the vibration that really creates those experiences, and we are creating them deliberately in its non-physical form. And then, by believing that we can actually experience that vibration, we get to experience it in the physical realm. So that's where it all starts. It's our choosing and our focus, you know. And people go, "Well, tell me what else to do. There's nothing else to do, and that that comes from understanding more of who we are, you know, by way of our soul. That focus is powerful. It's powerful. I think when Esther started teaching that, I think they were saying focus for a minimum of 17 seconds or something like that, and now they're teaching less than that. That it's it's less time because the momentum's starting to build, and so the faster we go, the more who focus on their soul, the more momentum is built.

Alex Ferrari 51:43
Would you agree that I found this in my life, and I would love to hear your thoughts on it. When you kind of go through a like that, your fear, your fearful friend who is constantly watching news and thinking of fearful thoughts constantly, right? Yeah. Would and this takes us this takes a certain type of person, but if they do a cleanse of some sort, when I mean that is like stop watching it for a week, just a week. Stop expo exposing yourself about it. Change that. Change the momentum. You, you have to kind of throw a like a like a a break on, and then just get out of that car, and go into another car, or just sit on a bench and don't even get in the car, any car, and just remove yourself from that energy, and then see what happens after a week. Just a week. Just try a week of no. Don't watch. Don't watch the news for a week. Don't talk to anybody who's talking about their illnesses all the time. I don't know about you. As we get older, friends of ours like, "How are you doing? Well, you know, I went to the doctor and they found a lump and they found this and then there's a mold that I got to take a look at and oh my god, this is exhausting here and you know that kind of stuff. It's like, what is happening? And it's I found that even in my in in my world, how it's it's working. But that's negative energy, and you're focusing on that stuff and all that. So, would you agree that this kind of cleanse, like a a media cleanse or energetic cleanse would be helpful.

Cindy Edison 53:23
I recommend that all the time to this one, to that one, all the time. I don't have time for that. I'm too busy watching.

Alex Ferrari 53:32
I'm too busy being afraid. I don't have time.

Cindy Edison 53:34
Yes, I don't have time for the love. I just got to be scared, and because there, it's it's an addiction. You know, it is started out saying that humanity is addicted to fear. It is an addiction to a specific. I have to know. I have to know. I have to know now. But the thing is that, especially today, the stuff that we're being fed-it's not true. You know, most of it is not true. I mean, depending on who you get it from, it doesn't. You can't even. There's some you can't even, but yes, I recommend that to her all the time. And actually, when all of this started, probably for me, it was probably 22, 23 I was very focused on it, on what was going on. Everything was turning upside down. I was really focused on it, and I started experiencing in my own reality, I was mad all the time. I was complaining. I was, you know, things were happening on the outside that wouldn't normally happen. And I start, and I said to Josef, "What's going on? And they said, "Look what you're focused on. Look what you're focused on. Almost like they were doing this to me, and and I went. Oh my God! And I'll tell you, it was a little difficult for me to stop because I was-I don't want to say addicted to it because I did. Took me a couple days to get out of it, but I had to make a new routine because my whole routine was: first thing I did in the morning was look at it, looked at it at lunchtime, looked at it when I came home. And I had to find something else to focus on during those times. And within a week, I it was a huge change. My whole interior shifted because now because now I'm not I'm not I'm not attracting that anymore. It's amazing what happens. And yes, I think there is especially today, there is a huge benefit to doing that. Just to see the difference, you know. Now she won't do it. I say I say that to her all the time. Just turn it off. Turn it off. Turn on a movie if you have to watch something. Turn on a movie that's going to make you laugh. Turn on something that's going to make you feel love.

Alex Ferrari 55:41
I mean, watch Next Level Soul TV. I mean,

Cindy Edison 55:44
Yes, yes. Watch something that's going to make. I watched some NDEs. I watched a really cool one the other day, and she said that I watched. It was really cool. I don't do that a lot, but something brought me to, and they told me later it was they led me there. But the last thing she said was, which was profound to me and obvious, but she said the last thing that Jesus was her guide there, and that He said to her before He sent her back, or before she came back, He said the only job you have as a human-this is not verbatim-but what she said is to breathe and and and don't resist, and we translate that as breathe and allow. Just allow. When you are in the allowing state, you're in the flow. Yes. Right. The resistance is what causes the chaos. You know, it's the resistance. When you're in resistance, you feel it.

Alex Ferrari 56:43
Yeah, it's what I used to say. I used to say this, and I didn't understand it, but I would say it to people when I was even in my 30s, early 30s. I would say this to people, but I didn't really grasp it until later in life, which is like we spend our life walking upstream. We we're always constantly walking upstream, so there's a current pushing us. And what what we need to learn is eventually, as you continue to walk upstream, you will get tired. You your body just if you're using that analogy, your body is just going to eventually get exhausted. And sometimes the stream is a little trickle, but sometimes the stream is really hard to the point where you're like it's so exhausting that you just you're just like I can't and you just drop, and then what happens? The current takes you where it needs to take you, regardless of what you want. It's it's so it's up to you how you want you want to ride this wave, or you want to fight against? It's kind of like the, like the crazy people. And I used to do this when I was a kid. When you go into the ocean and you start to punch waves, when I was a kid, I'd be like, "I'm going to fight the wave and the waves. You're not going to get me that. But then you see people that are like, you know, not well in the head sometimes. They'll run into the ocean and start fighting the ocean, which is obviously something that can't be won by a human being, but but but that's what we do. We're fighting something that that's just just sit, allow the waves to take you, allow the current to take you where it's going to go. Because if you don't, it's just going to make life so much harder. Does that make sense to you?

Cindy Edison 58:20
Well, a lot. Well, yes, of course, and a lot of that has to do with the belief system that we have created as a collective, individually and a collective. The belief system is horrible. The belief system is out of alignment. The entire thing is out of alignment. Got us where we are. It got us here. But now it's time to say no. It was built from an out of alignment vibration. Now we begin to build a new belief system that's in alignment with where we're going, and people get scared of that because they say you're asking me I'm living in squalor, and you're telling me I'm an abundant yes, yes.

Alex Ferrari 59:00
You know what? Absolutely. I mean, I got to a point in my life where I was about to go bankrupt. It was probably one of the lowest points of my life when I was in my 20s because of many mistakes I made and many things that happened to me. But I made a conscious choice to to to just claw my way out of it, get out of debt, do all of this before before I met my my wife, all of that, and it was just a lot of hard work. But it was a choice that I made because I could have just just signed the paperwork. I could have done, but I said no, I'm not doing that. So it is it is a choice, and don't get me wrong. I know there's circumstances around the world. There's people in difficult situations. That's difficult to come out. But there is a choice on either we always have a choice, and the choice is, well, I can't control what's happening to me, so that current is coming. How you deal with the current is the choice. That's that's the choice you have. And then how you can change the momentum of that choice of what's happened to you is your choice. But first choice is how do I, how am I choosing to deal with what's coming in, and then from that point you can you can then start to slowly adjust the shift to places you want to go. Does that make sense to you?

Cindy Edison 1:00:18
Yeah, yeah. You have to create new momentum of that, you know, because if it's being piled on and piled on, and you're walking upstream, and it is exhausting. That's a great analogy too, because it is physically exhausting. This is why some some people just surrender because they just can't go on anymore. You know, not out of a choice of surrender. You know, we prefer allow to that, but but surrender is yeah surrender because I'm just so exhausted I can't fight it anymore, and then you begin to look within, but yeah the the first thing is to is to change your focus, and we're not saying that it's easy, but do a little thing at a time. It's a step by step by step. Every single soul of every single individual who is on this planet is overlooking like this, waiting, just waiting, waiting for the invitation, and until you know.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:21
Yeah, is it because right now I think what we're going through as a collective humanity, it seems that things are getting pretty, pretty rough out there, very chaotic. Are we getting to the point where we're just like, I can't do this anymore? I we can't keep going. Just yeah.

Cindy Edison 1:01:41
Individually, people are kicking off all the time because they can't do it anymore. Doesn't and I'm not. I don't want to speak lightly of that, but we're eternal, so our perspective is eternal, and choosing. But with all the chaos that appears to be going on, there's also beautiful expansion that's happening, which is what we choose to focus on. We're focusing on the expansion, the opportunity for expansion that just continues to grow. Every day you get up, you have an you have an opportunity to create an experience or create experiences all day long. All day long, we're creating experiences. Whether it's you know a conversation with somebody, somebody on the phone, a drive to the office, whatever it is, we're creating our experience of the situation. And whatever you're focused on in the now is your future. You know, people people say to me all the time, "What do you see yourself in five years. I don't see myself in five years at all. I'm focusing on what brings me joy right now, so I know that the next step I take will be a joyful one. And you know, it's a it's a whole it's a whole shift in the way we create, and we have to do it in order to get to the next level, which is why we're teaching about vibration. We have to understand who we are to get to the next level. Could stay here as long as you want to. I don't know why.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:09
Next level. That's a that's a good name for something. I don't know.

Cindy Edison 1:03:12
Next level of the soul's on the next level. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:17
Now I'm going to ask you a few questions here. I'd love to hear what Josef has to say. If you could remove one belief from humanity right now, what would it be?

Cindy Edison 1:03:26
Fear. Belief that there's any fear at all. I mean, think about that. Remove remove fear from your life. Now, fear. You know, we talk about the two umbrellas. One is an umbrella of fear, and one is an umbrella of love. Make it simple. There's no top on the umbrella, but there and there's no agreement between the two. But there are unlimited opportunities to experience both of those vibrations. So if you just remove the fear, the only thing you have left is love. So that's the belief that we because that will encompass every other belief that's out of alignment. If you remove the fear, if you even just change the the label of fear to it's out of alignment, it removes some of the fear that you feel, instead of you know, as soon as you say fear to somebody, they go, you know, you go, oh, that's just out of alignment. It takes on a whole new perspective. Oh yeah, all right, so it's out of alignment. Why is it out of alignment? Well, what can I do to put it in alignment or to create something that's in alignment? It becomes a it becomes a solution now that you see it for what it is, so we Joseph said a while ago. They said we're going to be doing a lexicon, and fear will not be in it because there is no fear here. They teach that on almost every post. There is no fear here.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:55
Well, if I may quote the the great philosopher Yoda. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Cindy Edison 1:05:06
Yes, those are all emotions. Our first, our the first physical manifestation of our focus of what of the of the vibration we're focusing on is emotion, and when you feel anger or resentment, jealousy, you know that your dominant creative force in that moment is fear, is contrast. It's an easy way to determine where you're, what you're focusing on, what you're creating, and if you continue to focus on it, that anger is going to turn into something. Is going to turn into a bigger experience, a bigger than an emotional experience. So, the ego steps up and says, "Don't do that. Don't do that. Come over here. Create something new.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:54
What truth is humanity finally ready to hear?

Cindy Edison 1:05:57
That's an individually based question. People find their truth. You know, we say that the the vibrational vibrational agreement is really the only truth of the universe, because there is no manifestation, none without vibrational agreement. There is no manifestation anywhere, non physical or physical, it's it's the the really what I call the the golden universal truth, which is vibrational agreement. And if you can wrap your head around that, you and understand your own power to create vibrationally, you've mastered the third dimension. Talking about masters, that's why they're not here anymore. They've mastered it.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:46
And finally, what would you say to someone who has completely lost hope?

Cindy Edison 1:06:51
God, I hate that. That makes me. I start crying right now. I hate that.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:55
But there are people out there right now who feel this way, and they and they might have found this conversation because they needed to hear this. No pressure, but they needed to hear this answer as best you could. I mean, the whole conversation, but this in question because I get it. I get it all the time. People who've lost hope in in in everything. So I'd just like to hear what you think.

Cindy Edison 1:07:20
There's yeah that's a that's a hard one but as a collective we we would that there is always hope there's always hope it's an it's a shift and it's a shift in perspective it's you know and it sounds so tell me something that's got some stuff no it's a shift in perspective because if you have a perspective that is telling you there is no hope, then there is no hope in that perspective. But there's a whole another perspective over here that is full of only hope, that has oh my God, that the opportunities to experience the love, which is what we're all seeking, is is the. connection with the Godhead, the God force, the the God within us, the soul love. That's the only thing. That's the separation. That's why there is a a feeling, an experience of hopelessness because there is a perceived separation between the aspect and its source, so it would be a very long conversation for me. It would kind of like sit down.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:32
It's kind of like what Henry Ford said: like if you believe you can or you can't, you're correct

Cindy Edison 1:08:39
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:08:40
It's simple, as simple as that.

Cindy Edison 1:08:43
He said it. He said, "For those who believe. He wasn't kidding.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:48
Absolutely. So, Cindy, where can people find out about you, Josef, and the amazing work you guys are doing?

Cindy Edison 1:08:54
Her website has everything we're doing right now. Just, it's the teachings of Josef with an F, the books will lead you to books are on there. They'll lead you to Amazon and their YouTube is on there. You can listen to some of our stuff. We'll be doing more. Like I said, we've been in hibernation. Haven't been able to pick up a microphone. They keep saying put it down, put it down. Not yet, not yet. Until you came along, I knew that that was time. I said, "Did you do that? Of course, you know it's all about the timing for us. All about the timing for you too. For everybody,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:29
Absolutely, absolutely. Cindy, it has been such a pleasure having you back on the show.

Cindy Edison 1:09:33
Thank you for everything you're doing now.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:35
Oh, I appreciate you. I appreciate you. I hope to get you down to to Next Level Soul Studios in Austin one day, so we could do this in person. Thanks again.

Cindy Edison 1:09:44
Up in Texas, but I'm not coming there in the summer.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:48
Tell me about it. Tell me about it. It's it's it's a bit crispy outside right now. It's a bit crispy, but I'm happy because it's under 110. So

Cindy Edison 1:09:57
Exactly. Yeah, I know. In the south too, it's hot. You know, it's hot.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:04
But I appreciate you, my dear, for everything you're doing to help awaken the planet. Thank you.

Cindy Edison 1:11:12
Thanks. Same to you, Alex. Thank you.