Divine Encounters Episode 026 | Near-Death Experience Story
Dr. Mary Helen Hensley was a young graphic designer mopping floors in Charleston, South Carolina, and on her way to a company Christmas party when, she says, an oncoming car struck hers at highway speed. She tells Alex Ferrari that she calmly stepped out of her body before impact, watched the crash from above, and was met by two beloved figures who waited patiently for her to remember them. In this Divine Encounters episode she explores that homecoming, a life review that was nothing like a timeline, and what it taught her about judgment, discomfort and why we are here.
Key Takeaways
- Mary Helen says her father, a Southern Baptist minister, received a visit from a celestial being before she was born, and was told she would have unusual abilities.
- She describes time slowing to a crawl just before the crash, and says she felt no fear, only calm and a sense of choice.
- She says she rose out of her body and watched it like “the pile of clothes next to the washing machine.”
- She describes a low, undulating drone that later shifted into what she calls “the music of the spheres.”
- She says her life review was not chronological. Scenes from many ages played all around her at once, like an IMAX theater.
- Her takeaway: discomfort is not a sign that something has gone wrong, and judging other people’s lanes misses the point of being here.
| Guest | Dr. Mary Helen Hensley |
| Episode | Divine Encounters 026 |
| Date and place | December 14, 1991, Highway 17, Charleston, South Carolina |
| What the guest says happened | A car struck hers at an estimated 75 miles an hour, and she left her body before impact |
| Where she says she went | Into a space of pure love, shaped by two figures she knew but could not name at first |
| Who she met | Two figures who took the form of old men, who she says waited for her to recognize them |
| Time away | About 15 minutes of Earth time, by her own estimate |
| The message | Understanding why you are here is its own kind of healing, and nobody has to be judged for walking a different lane |
Before the Crash: A Minister’s Daughter With a Strange Beginning
Mary Helen starts her story at birth, not at the accident. Alex asks what her life was like before she died, and she answers by going back to her mother’s pregnancy. Her parents had been told that her mother had German measles in the first trimester. The message, as she tells it, was blunt: get your head around the fact that if the baby survives at all, everything will not be okay.
Then her father, a Southern Baptist minister, had a visit. She says he never called it an angel, because he could not describe it with words from inside his own paradigm. He settled on celestial being and referred to the visitor as celestial wings. Mary Helen suspects they were his guides. They told him he was going to have a daughter. This was 1969, and there was no ultrasound to say so. They also told him, she says, that “she’s gonna have some unusual abilities,” and that he would need to help foster them.
She laughs about it now. Imagine being a minister, she says, and being told something like that. Yet it frames everything that follows. Mary Helen describes a childhood in Sunday school and youth group, the kid with her hand up in the air asking a question that did not fit. For more on how people describe this kind of unseen help, see our glossary entry on spirit guides.
Charleston, a Boyfriend and a Mop
By December 1991 Mary Helen had graduated and moved to Charleston to be with the boyfriend she had dated through college. In her words, it was the kind of relationship where your mother is already picking out the china and the silver. She had a graphic design degree. What she did for a living at a sign company was mop floors, because she could not get a job in her field.
She now calls that the best thing that ever happened to her. The people she worked with said things that made her stop at dinner, including one remark about the Bible that did not match what she had been taught in Sunday school. She recalls them telling her to learn everything from the inside out. Not only so she could one day be a top executive, but because it was important to see the world through everybody else’s eyes.
Looking back, she says, they seem like angelic beings sent to prepare her for what was about to happen. “And I believe that,” she adds. It is a small detail in the episode, but it sets a pattern she returns to again and again: what looks like a detour can turn out to be preparation.
December 14: The Light Turns Green
The day itself was ordinary. Mary Helen was heading to the company Christmas party. She lived in an apartment complex near Highway 17, a major road with lane after lane of traffic in each direction. She pulled up first at a red light, waited, and watched it turn green. She had to cross many lanes before making her left turn toward town.
In the last lane, she says, she looked over and thought, that car is not going to stop. She saw it barreling toward her. Then, she says, everything slowed almost to a standstill. “I was not scared, I wasn’t upset.” Her reaction, as she describes it, was that this felt normal, even familiar. She thought: I am about to die. How do I want to do this?
She says “it was like I was totally in control.” She could stay and feel the impact, then die. Or she could go up and out of her body and let the body take the hit. She tells Alex that “I didn’t have anything to gain from the impact,” so she made her decision. She is clear that she is not just describing a near-death experience. She says she was witnessing her own death.
The Drone, and Leaving the Body
The moment she decided, Mary Helen says, a sound began. She compares it to the drone of the Irish underarm bagpipes. (She lives in Ireland now and plays a round Irish drum, but her favorite instrument is those pipes.) For her, that drone always means a good session is about to begin. This one was undulating, deep, a low vibration.
With that sound, she says, who she really is rose up and out of the body. “I’m not that body.” She now treats her own body kindly, she says, as a suit she looks after and enjoys, without insulting it or calling it names. It is not who she is.
The sound, she says, kept getting louder. She came to believe that the low drone is what keeps us connected to the physical experience of the earth plane. That is why she bristles when people talk about low vibe and high vibe as if one were good and the other bad. She says both are needed to weave a beautiful tapestry of human experience, like the dark keys and the light keys on a piano. You cannot make music with only one.
Watching From Above
Once she was out, Mary Helen says, everything sped back up. The other driver was an 81-year-old man who, she says, had hit a couple earlier that year and never had his license taken away. She estimates he was traveling about 75 miles an hour. He struck her Toyota Corolla broadside and it folded in half. She saw her body pinned, the seat folded up beneath it. She was wearing Bermuda shorts and a Santa Claus T-shirt. She watched her head go through the driver’s side window, and says that is when her neck broke.
She describes “just watching this with totally detached interest.” She offers comparisons she uses whenever she tells the story. After a hot day of yard work you peel off your sticky clothes, drop them by the washing machine and take the best shower of your life. You do not think twice about them. The body, she says, was “just the pile of clothes next to the washing machine.” Or think of a car idling on a frosty morning with nobody in it. It looks alive to a passerby, but we do not say the poor car is dead.
Then her attention snapped to someone else. A girl she knew from college, a suitemate who was from Charleston, happened to be three cars behind her at the light. Mary Helen could feel her horror. She wanted to say, don’t cry for me, I’m good. What struck her was that she had no attachment to her body, yet she could tune in and feel what another person was feeling. She stresses that it is not creepy, nobody is watching you in the shower. It is a capacity to connect and feel.
The Ambulance, a Stranger and the Music of the Spheres
The car stopped spinning. Mary Helen says her body hung there while time passed. An ambulance was called. A man walked up, reached through the passenger side and turned the engine off. A woman ran up, left her phone number on the passenger seat, and ran away. Mary Helen found that odd and still wonders why. Maybe she had somewhere to be. Maybe she did not want to get involved.
As the scene settled, the low drone began to change pitch. She hears it, she says, as “the music of the spheres.” She has been trying to recreate it for her whole adult life. How do you describe the indescribable? Everything got faster, and a feeling of beauty filled the space.
She does not describe a tunnel, though she has met others who do. “It was like I was here one minute, and then I was here.” She likens it to a game of Monopoly: you cannot buy Park Place with a pink five hundred dollar bill, yet inside the game it feels real, and then you put the game away and say, oh yes, this is reality. Or is it this one? To her, multiple realities happen at the same time. In Earth time, she estimates, she hung out in that space for about 15 minutes.
Two Old Friends and a Homecoming
In that space Mary Helen says she felt the whole of love. “I am infinite. I’m wonderful. This is amazing.” Then the atmosphere began taking shape in front of her, and the shapes became two old men. People have since told her, of course, they were old men, a patriarchal picture. She disagrees. As a child, she says, she simply loved old people, so she thinks the figures took that form for her.
She admits she was looking for someone else. She had been told Jesus would be there, and he wasn’t. Then she wondered where the judge was, the one she had been taught to expect. He wasn’t there either, she says, because she was being allowed to have her own experience.
The two stepped forward, and she says they waited. “They were waiting for me to recognize.” She knew she knew them. She knew she loved them. She could not tell how. They simply sat with her until it dropped, and then came what she calls a homecoming: “it was the best feeling in the world.” She says she has told this story five thousand times and still gets chills.
A Life Review Without a Timeline
Next came her life review. She says it sounds cliche and is not. She did not go through events in order. The atmosphere opened up around her in 360 degrees, like an IMAX theater, and everything played at once. She was four at the kitchen table. She was eleven with a bulldog. She was twelve getting her first saddle oxfords as a cheerleader. She was fourteen learning her father was retiring from coaching, and sixteen getting her driver’s license and moving to a new school where he would become headmaster. She was also seventeen, in a moment of deep pain which she does not detail here.
That experience, she says, turned her whole perception of reality upside down. “Now I’m living concurrently in my own life experience.” She understood she was none of those moments and all of them at the same time. Read our glossary entry on the life review to see how other experiencers describe this stage.
Her conclusion is not that every path was right. It is that nothing was a wrong path. A good life, she says, is not one where you avoid everything uncomfortable. The immortal you took on a temporary suit in some century, she says, so “that you came in here to learn something,” and everything is part of that picture.
Everyone Gets to Stay in Their Own Lane
The strongest part of the second half of the episode is what she does with the life review. She argues that human beings have gone wrong in believing that if we are uncomfortable, offended or in pain, something must be wrong. She says that is not how growth works. You came here for it, and you should not isolate any piece of it.
When we climb on a high horse and decide we are good because we do not do what the other person does, she says, we have lost the run of ourselves. We will each play the villain in somebody else’s story. Not everyone will like us or agree with our choices. Accepting that, she says, is where a good life begins.
She wants to be uncomfortable sometimes, she says. She reports having had cancer twice and a brain tumor, and says she broke her neck and died. She still lives her life, she says, and says plainly that she does not care to argue moral dilemmas. Her image is two lanes. You do your thing in yours. She does hers in hers. You are welcome to cross over, but do not judge, because judging shows you do not understand what this is all about. In her words, “understanding why you’re here and what you’re doing here is the new healing.”
Setting Her Story Beside Common Near-Death Themes
Researchers who study near-death experiences often point to recurring features: leaving the body, a feeling of deep peace, meeting beings, a life review, and a sense of homecoming. Mary Helen’s account includes all of these, with a few distinctive turns. She says there was no tunnel of the kind others describe, and no Jesus or judge waiting as she had been taught. Instead, she says, the figures took a form she loved.
The 16-item NDE Scale, published by Bruce Greyson in 1983, is one of the best known tools for describing these features. At Next Level Soul we share stories like this one as lived experience in the guest’s own words. For the big picture, our complete guide to near-death experiences is a good starting place, and the glossary has a short entry on the near-death experience itself.
Taking It Down to Earth
You do not need a crash to practice what Mary Helen describes. She keeps pointing to ordinary experiences: a shower after a long day, a car warming up on a frosty morning, a game board put away. Each is a way of noticing that you are not the clothes, and not the game.
Notice what you tell yourself about your own body this week. She treats hers as a suit to take care of, with humor and kindness. And notice the next time you feel offended or uncomfortable. Is something actually wrong, or are you simply in the middle of growing? Then, if someone is in a lane that is not yours, let them drive.
Questions to Sit With
- Mary Helen says her coworkers at a sign company, while she mopped floors, helped prepare her for what came next. Who in your life might have been quietly preparing you?
- She says discomfort is not a sign that something has gone wrong. Where are you treating discomfort as a warning right now?
- In her image of two lanes, where do you still find yourself judging how someone else drives?
Pick one moment this week when you feel uncomfortable or offended. Before reacting, take three slow breaths and ask, what could I be learning here?
Spiritual Takeaways
- Mary Helen says she is not her body. It is a suit to care for and enjoy.
- She says the low drone and the high music are both needed, as dark and light keys are on a piano.
- She describes a life review that happens all at once, which she says taught her she lives concurrently in her own life.
- She says discomfort and pain are part of why we come, not signs of failure.
- She says each of us walks a different lane, and understanding why you are here matters more than judging anyone else.
Please enjoy my conversation with Dr. Mary Helen Hensley.
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Frequently Asked Questions
Who is Dr. Mary Helen Hensley?
Dr. Mary Helen Hensley is a near-death experiencer and the daughter of a Southern Baptist minister. She was living in Charleston, South Carolina, in December 1991 when, she says, she died in a car crash and had the experience she describes in this Divine Encounters episode. She now lives in Ireland.
What happened to Mary Helen Hensley on December 14, 1991?
She says she was crossing Highway 17 in Charleston on her way to a Christmas party when an 81-year-old driver hit her car at an estimated 75 miles an hour. She says time slowed, she chose to rise out of her body before impact, and she watched the crash from above.
Did Mary Helen feel afraid before the crash?
No, she says. She describes feeling calm, in control and strangely familiar with the situation. She says she saw two choices, to stay and feel the impact or to go up and out, and she chose the second.
What was the sound she heard?
She describes a low, undulating drone like the Irish underarm bagpipes. She believes that sound keeps us connected to the earth plane. Later, she says, the pitch changed into what she calls “the music of the spheres.”
Who did Mary Helen meet in her near-death experience?
She says she met two figures who took the form of old men, because as a child she loved old people. She says she knew she loved them but could not tell why until they let her remember. She calls it a homecoming.
Did she see Jesus?
She says no. She expected Jesus and a judge, as she was taught in Sunday school, and neither appeared. She believes she was being allowed to have her own experience.
What was her life review like?
She says it was not chronological. The space opened up around her like a 360 degree IMAX theater and scenes from many ages played at once. She says it showed her she lives concurrently in her own life experience.
What does she mean by high vibe and low vibe?
She says the low drone connects us to physical life and the high music is also real. She argues that both are necessary, like the dark and light keys on a piano, and that calling one better than the other misses the point.
What is Mary Helen’s message about judgment?
She says everyone is in their own lane and welcome to cross into hers, but she asks people not to judge. She says all of us can be the villain in someone’s story, and that accepting this is part of a good life.
Is a near-death experience proof of an afterlife?
Next Level Soul shares near-death experiences as lived experiences told in the guest’s own words. Researchers continue to study and debate what they mean. Nothing here is medical advice or a medical claim.
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Alex Ferrari 0:00
Tell me what your life was like before you died.
Dr. Mary Helen Hensley 0:08
So it started at birth. My father had a visit during my mother's pregnancy because my parents had been told that my mom had the German measles in the first trimester, and said, basically, they were like, listen, folks, just get your head around the fact that if the baby survives at all, everything's not gonna be okay, and you need to just accept this. So dad, who's a Southern Baptist minister, by the way, has this visit. What's really interesting about this is he didn't get a visit from the old angels. He had to call it a celestial being visit because he couldn't describe with words from within his box, within his paradigm, who came to see him. So he always referred to him as celestial wings. You know, I think they're probably his guides, to be honest. So when they came and they were like, you're gonna have a daughter. And remember, this is 1969 you know, you're gonna have a daughter. And there wasn't ultrasound at the time, so they didn't know I was a girl, and they're like, you know, these two were like, she's gonna have some unusual abilities, and you're gonna have to help foster that. So imagine, you know, you're a minister, and you get told death, there's the creepy music in the background, and the preacher's like, okay, okay, okay. So on December 14, 1991 I was living in Charleston, South Carolina, and I was living down there with my boyfriend. And of course, when you're dating the same guy that you were dating in college, and now you're graduating, and you're still dating the same guy, like your mom's picking out the China and the silver, and you're gonna pick that guy, right? So it's like, this is happening. This is a thing. So I had moved to Charleston because we were still dating, and I was working for a sign company, and I wasn't making signs or selling signs, or even designing signs with my big graphic design degree. I was cleaning, mopping floors because I couldn't get a job. And it was the best thing that ever happened, because people there really were, you look back on your life and you're like, oh my god, they totally got this world that I was getting ready to enter. They said some stuff that actually, you know, I remember being out to dinner once they they dropped this line about, it was something about the Bible, and I remember going, oh my gosh, you know, because I was that kid now, growing up in Sunday school and in youth group and all this going hand up in the air. And I'm like, that doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. I was that kid, right? And so, like, I remember them saying, and I was like, oh my god, they were the people who told me that I needed to learn everything from the inside out, not just to be a good business person, not to learn to mock the floor so that I could also be the top executive, but because it was important to view the world through everybody else's eyes. And you look back now going, oh my god, it's like they were these angelic beings that were sent to my life to help prep me for what was getting ready to happen. And I believe that. So on that Day, December 14, we were going to the Christmas bar. I was going into the Christmas party for that job, and I lived in an apartment complex, and there was a major highway in Charleston called highway 17. Loads of lanes of traffic this way and loads this way. So I pulled up to the stoplight, and my light was red. And so I'm sitting, I'm the first car, and I'm like, do, to do, to do. And light stays red, you know, and then it turns green. So I have to cross a whole bunch of lanes of traffic here before I make my left turn going into town. And so, you know, I live in Ireland now, so my steering wheel would have been on the right side, but over there, it's the left side. And so as I'm driving across this way, this is impact point. So my light turns green, and I make my way across, and I get to that last lane of traffic, and I look, and I went, that car's not going to stop. And I see this car barreling towards me, and then all of a sudden, just like this, everything slows down, almost to a crawl, a standstill, and I'm just sitting there. I was not scared, I wasn't upset. I was just like, oh, this is normal. And I'm like, Okay, I'm getting ready to die. Well, how do I want to do this? And it was like I was totally in control. There was no fear, no nothing. And I'm like, okay, he's going fast, and if he hits me, that's not hurt. So I can feel the hurt and then die, or I could go up and out of my body and the body gets hit and then be dead. And I was like, Well, you know what? This seems it was so familiar. I didn't feel like I needed to experience I was I didn't have anything to gain from the impact, the pain. So I am now not just having a near death experience. I'm witnessing my own death, because in that moment, the second I've made the decision, there's this noise. This is why I love frequency, because this is where my understanding of frequency began. And I'm like, it sounds like I played music every year. I played the devour on, you know, the round drum here in Ireland. But my favorite instrument is the alien pipes. Alien means elbow in Irish. So it's the underarm bagpipes. You know, you've got the bagpipes that have the big bag, and then you have the ones that they pipe this way. It makes this most gorgeous drone when they're filling the bag with air. It's like mom. And I love that sound, because for me, it always means, hey, we're getting ready to have an awesome session, you know? And so I just had such a good feeling, and it's the closest thing I can think of that sounds like that. So I've made that decision that I'm going up and out, and all of a sudden I hear that sound is kind of undulating, and it's really deep. It's a low vibration. And with that, I me, who I really am is now up and out of the body, and this is where I you get that. Oh yeah, I'm not that body, you know. So I'm actually quite nice to my meat soup. Now. I don't make fun of myself or tell myself I'm too fat or do whatever, you know. I'm just like, go live it up, do whatever, because that's not me. I'm just, you know, try to take good care of my suit when I can. But I also have fun in my suit, and I'm up and out, and that sound is getting louder and louder. And what I have hence discovered is that that sound and that low drone, low vibration, is what keeps us connected to the earth plane, the physical experience of being in the earth plane, and that's why it drives me crazy when people are like, Oh, that's so low vibration, or that's, I'm high vibe. I'm so, you know, I'm so high vibe, and they're really low vibe, and I'm like, you so don't understand what's going on here, because it's like, it's like the dichotomy of dark and light here on Earth, where both are necessary in order to weave a beautiful tapestry of human experience low and high vibration, you can't have a nice piece of music without both. It's like the dark keys and the light keys on the piano both necessary. So it was this kind of a lower, slower vibration. So now I'm up and I'm out, and I'm looking down, and everything speeds back up. And so all of a sudden, that car with the 81 year old man in it who had hit a couple and almost killed them earlier in the year, but never had his driver's license taken away, thank God, or I wouldn't have had the accident. But now he's coming at me at an estimated 75 miles an hour, and he T bones my car. So he hits the car, and the car, literally, it was a little Toyota Corolla folded in half, and I can see myself. I see the body pinned back up, the seat folded up under me. I was wearing Bermuda shorts and a Santa Claus t shirt. This was Christmas, and I watched my head go like this through the driver's side window. That's when my neck broke and glass goes out. The glass in the passenger side blows out the car spinning around. And I'm just watching this with totally detached interest. And I never, ever do a talk like this or speak to people without giving this reference, because it's to date, the best thing that I can do to describe this to people, because I get asked all the time, like, weren't you? Were you so upset you were, like, 21 years old, you know, like, Oh my God, my life is too short. You know, it was nothing like that. And that, the best way I can describe it is, if you've been outside, and so you're in Texas, you know how hot it gets, like, you're super hot, and you're all sweaty, and you've been, you know, working in the yard, and you're gross. And you finish your work, and you feel good about what you've done, and you walk into the house, and you peel off the sticky clothes, and you throw them down next to the washing machine, and you go, have the best shower ever. It's cool, it's washing off, and you're like, satisfied with the work you've done. And like, the last thing you're thinking when you're putting on the head and shoulders is about the clothes next to the washing machine. So I never even thought twice, and this is the truth. I'm watching the body, and I can see, and it was like unanimated. It was just a body. It was just the pile of clothes next to the washing machine. If you were ever on a frosty morning and you went outside to heat the car up, you know, you go, you turn the car on and the heaters running, and you know, maybe you're doing the wipers to get rid of the frost and the radios on to a passer by, the car looks alive, but there's no driver, so we know the car is not alive, and we wouldn't say, oh my god, the poor car is now dead. You know, it was like, that was the body. It was like, You're so crystal clear.
Oh my gosh, I'm not that body. And it was amazing. And so in that moment, I look over and a girl that I went to college with, now Charleston, at that time, was about 350,000 people. I wasn't from Charles. I'm from Virginia, but this girl who was my suitemate in college was from Charleston. She was three cars behind me at stoplight, who knew, I don't even know why, and she watched my car get hit, spin through the thing. And what was so interesting in that moment was that I could feel her emotion. I wasn't finding a way for my body. I had no attachment, but suddenly I'm zoned in right on her, and I could feel her horror, and I wanted to go, don't worry about me, and I don't cry for me. Argentina, I'm good, but it was so interesting to note that I could go in and interact. So it's kind of like when you talk about departed loved ones or people who are around us. Are they hanging about watching sometimes? Do you know? You know, are they watching you naked in the shower? No, it's not like that. But there's this capacity to interact and to feel what's happening with the other person. And so I could feel this with her, and it was really unusual. So next, my attention is back on the car. The car is finished spinning. It's come to a halt. I'm now like hanging there like a little. Up it. And I don't know how much time passed, but enough time where an ambulance was called and a guy comes later and walks up and he reaches through the passenger side of the car and turns the engine off. And so I remember seeing him very distinctly. And I saw some lady who ran up and put her phone number on the front the passenger seat, and then she ran off, which I thought that's weird, you know. Like, why would she do that? Maybe she had to be somewhere. Maybe she didn't want to get involved, you know. So as soon as that happened, all of a sudden, that low drone starts changing pitch, and so I can hear this, what I always call it, the music of the spheres, because it was just so beautiful. I've been trying to recreate it my entire adult life with, how do you describe the indescribable? It was incredible. And there was just this a beautiful sensation. And everything is getting faster. And I think this is where other people who've had the experience, they talk about the tunnel of light and that maybe it's faster slower. I don't know why I didn't experience it the way that they do, but it was like I was here one minute, and then I was here. So some people talk about this, you know, you can't buy Park Place with a pink $500 bill. Do you know, like, but you're in it, and you're playing the game, and you're doing it, and then you put that away, and it's like, oh yeah. Oh, this is reality, or is it, this is this reality? So there are multiple realities happening simultaneously, and so you're in this space, and it's just like, Oh my God, oh yeah, oh. So I don't I couldn't even tell you how long was I hanging out there. Do you know? Who knows, in Earth time, it was probably about 15 minutes, so I'm in this space, and I'm just feeling it, and that that for me, was where the whole love is, and oh my gosh, oh yes, I remember. I am infinite. I'm wonderful. This is amazing. And then that atmosphere starts taking shape in front of me. And this is where it gets interesting, because I was like, these the shapes form, and they look like two old men. And I've had people, it's been so funny across the years. And they're like, of course, they were old men in the patriarchal and I'm like, No, I loved the old people. I loved those old people. So of course they would take that shape for me. And, you know, as a child, I didn't have that whole understanding or feeling that I was in a male or female dominated world or whatever. I just loved old people, and so they took that form for me. Well, imagine, that's right, do you know? Because I'm like, where's Jesus? You know, y'all told me Jesus is going to be here, and there wasn't Jesus. And then I'm going, Judge, where are you? Judge, wasn't there because I was being allowed to have my own experience. And so here they come, and they step forward, and it was so wonderful, like I can Oh, it gives me I've told the story 5000 times, but I get the chills every time I think about it, because in that moment, they are waiting so patiently. Oh my gosh. And they were waiting for me to recognize, and I couldn't. And I was like, Oh, do you know? And I'm like, I know I know you, but I'm not sure how I know you. But I know I love you, but I'm not sure why do you know that kind of thing? And so all of a sudden, they just sat until I did, and I was like, boom, it dropped. And I was like, and boom, Homecoming. Of all homecomings, it was the best feeling in the world. So you're like basking in this love. You can't even imagine. You can't even imagine, and I can't, I can't even describe it for you, but they must have been the most trusted loving with me since the.of time, because next came my life review. And you know, it sounds so cliche, but it's so not cliche. It's not what you expect as either. You don't see it in a movie. And this is where my entire perception of reality just got blown out of water, because I am in this space. And next thing, it's like the atmosphere opens up around me in the 360 like IMax cinema style experience. And you know, you'd think you'd do your life review, and it would go chronologically, and you'd go through each of the events that happened. And that's not how it happened. I'm late, four years old at the kitchen table talk. I'm 11 years old, getting otif on Bismarck, my full first Bulldog. I'm 17 years old, and I'm being raped at you know when I've gone down to check out the college I'm going to go to? I'm 16 years old and I'm getting my driver's license. I'm 12 years old, getting my first saddle Oxford as a cheerleader. I'm 14 years old, finding out that my dad's retiring from coaching. I'm 16 years old again over here, and I'm going to the new school where my dad's becoming the headmaster, and I'm leaving the school that I'm with all the kids that I've grown up with. And there's this whole series of events that's happening at the same time and like, I am turned on my ear forever because of it, because it's this concept now of concurrent lifetimes. Now I'm living concurrently in my own life experience. In that moment, it was crazy. So I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm none of these things and all of these things at the very same time. Or it's not necessarily the wrong path, because one of the things that's happened to us as human beings is that we have, you know, where evolution has gone grossly wrong for us, is that we have evolved into a species that believes that if we are uncomfortable, that it is wrong, that if we are offended, that it is wrong, if we are in pain, that. It is wrong. A good life is one where you do everything that real, you that immortal, you took on the temporary suit in whatever capacity, in whatever generation, in whatever century, and that you came in here to learn something, and you have to remember it is so important that you don't isolate everything is part of the growth. Everything is part of that picture. And so when you start getting on your little high horse, deciding that you're a really good person, because you don't do that, and that person does something that you don't particularly do in this time, you've lost the run of yourself, because all of us are the asshole in somebody's story. So you're going to be that in everybody's life. Everyone's not gonna like you, everyone's not gonna agree with the choices that you make. And so I think reaching an understanding of that is where a good life happens. Do you know, understanding why you're here and what you're doing here is the new healing. I'm doing it. I am living it every single day. I want to screw up. I want to make great choices. I want to laugh. I want to love and, you know, oh, so you actually want to be uncomfortable, dudes. I've had cancer twice. I've had a brain tumor. I broke my neck and died like I've done it all, do you know? And I'm still And the very fact that I am alive and breathing in the midst of a pandemic without being vaccinated makes so many people angry, and it just cracks me up. You think I'm so deeply involved in the moral dilemma of yes or no or this or that, I don't care? I'm doing my thing and you do your thing. That's the beauty. That's the big give here. That's the big gift. It's that you see that all of us have different opinions and different choices, and that you go over in your lane and you do your thing, but if you're gonna come over in my lane, which you're welcome in, don't come over here and start judging what I'm doing, because it's not the same thing as what you're doing, because then that just shows me you actually don't get what this is all about.
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