Alex Ferrari 0:00
What do you feel the soul of this nation is being called to confront?

Kelly Bowker 0:05
There is no America without the people of America. You cannot look at the whole without looking at the individual. We would say to you, you are very confused. The object of the game is to come to this earth and figure out how to be divinely human.

Alex Ferrari 0:32
What can the guides tell us in regards to what's coming this year, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, and so on.

Kelly Bowker 0:39
And what we are here to shine the light upon is that...

Alex Ferrari 0:54
I like to welcome back to the show returning champion Kelly Bowker. How you doing, Kelly?

Kelly Bowker 0:58
I am excited to be here, Alex. I have been dreaming in my sandbox of hearing those exact words. Returning champion!

Alex Ferrari 1:09
Well, Kelly, thank you so much for coming back. I really had a great time with you last time you were on. It's been a couple years, I think, since last time you were on, and it was a lot of things have happened to you since then, haven't they? Can you, can you, do you want to share a little bit of what, what has transpired during that time?

Kelly Bowker 1:27
Yeah, I would love to. So I had been on a number of interviews leading up to Next Level Soul, and had begun the journey of having a relationship with the world, which all of the things that that entails, you know, getting emails and messages, some not pleasant, some very pleasant, lovely, doing one to ones, having a lot of appointments, and that kind of thing, but there was a couple of really important things that were happening, I wasn't ready in a number of ways, and I'm thankful that I was mature enough in my life to be able to see that you shared with me at the end of the interview some things that I really needed to have in place, my own website, the technology to support the appointments, I was just doing the best I knew how to do. I didn't have those things, and so it really hit, it hit hard, and I was overwhelmed, and I did things like, without realizing it, booked five appointments in one day with no, no break, not even five minutes between them, you know. Did this for like two weeks, because I hit the wrong button on my scheduling, so there was the technology part of it, but there was also the internal stability part of it, and that is the most important thing, I, I began to see that in my serving of others, in my using my time to meet with other people and share my gifts and share the wisdom of my guides. I was starting to slide down this hill over here. My journey wasn't going where it was supposed to go, and I could feel the pull. You know, I know that your listeners know what I'm talking about when I say that. Pull there, we know there's something more that we're supposed to be doing. I thought this relationship with the world was that more. I thought that's what it was. I'm like, holy cow, this little country girl has been on next level soul. I've got all of this potential to do all you know to do all these things, I was, I was on the path for sure, but I had a knowing that that wasn't what I was being called to, not then I wasn't being called to that then, I have a clear deep understanding now of what service to this world is, and what service is, is my ability to anchor my frequency in this present moment, and to be able to emanate into the world love being able to see the perfection, to be able to remember who I am to understand all that this world is, that is what my journey is now, is teaching how to get there. We are so confused by this world, there's so much, so many distractions, even on the spiritual path, there are so many rabbit holes of practices that we forget about coming back to stillness, and I wasn't mature enough in my journey then to be able to maintain. Pain, my inner stillness, my inner journey, my due north. I wasn't mature enough in my journey at that time. Thankfully, I was mature enough to recognize it. Now I'm feeling like I'm solid, that whatever, whatever the universe brings, whatever comes from this interview. I mean, I have all kinds of happy anticipation, but I don't have any expectations. I'm really just coming into the present moment. My heart is open, and I want to bring forth what people need to hear. I want, I want to share my journey of how I went from that dark night of the soul, being so disconnected from myself, so not knowing who I was, to being this being now who has such a connection to myself, to my humanity, to my divine sovereign self. That journey is a teachable thing, it's a predictable, it's a, it's a, it's a teachable thing, and you know, we, we watch all these different interviews, and there's all the predictions, and there's all the, you know, everybody has their own path that they're on, and I honor that, but what I know very, very clearly is that mine is about living being human, how to be human and divine in this world at the all at the same time.

Alex Ferrari 6:37
That's beautiful. That is beautiful. It's, it's such an amazing, I mean, the universe challenges you when you need to be challenged, whether you like it or not, and it's not pretty sometimes. Actually, most times it's not pretty.

Kelly Bowker 6:51
No, lots of times it's not pretty.

Alex Ferrari 6:53
And you know that what you, what you just said, also spotlights another, I wouldn't say phenomenon, but it's another thing that people, I think, misunderstand is that people in the spiritual space a lot of times present themselves as all, all perfect, all inclusive, all understanding, and you know that they have all the answers, but every single one of them, even the masters who walk the planet, even like the masters that's behind me right now, Yogananda. They were human, they were down here in a human body, dealing with human things, had the same frailties and understandings and things to deal with that we did, as all of us. They transcended many of those things, and they elevated themselves to a certain level of consciousness and energy, and so forth, but during their journey they all went through multiple tests, multiple issues, multiple figuring things out, dark nights of the soul, all of that, and I want people to understand that just because someone has a gift, even even if they're a spiritual prodigy, if you will, that they're very advanced in certain things, that doesn't mean that they might not fall as as as if for all the for all my fans of the 80s movies, they may fall for the banana and the tailpipe, so it's, it's, it's very, it's very, it's very interesting to see how people react, but I wanted to put that message out there, because a lot of people look at channelers or psychic mediums, or even mystics, or gurus, or swamis, or just spiritual teachers in general as the end all be all, and they might be much more advanced than you in certain areas, but that doesn't mean that they have doesn't have their own challenges, because that's why they're here,

Kelly Bowker 8:49
That's exactly right. We, you know, we came to be human, and so much of our spiritual rhetoric, and you know, so much of it says that we, that we're supposed to overcome being human, we're supposed to transcend being human. No, we are supposed to absolutely merge our divine sovereignty with our humanity, that has been so much of what they have been teaching me over the last two years. It is the relationship between my divine self and my ego mind, my divine self and my emotional body, my divine self and my physical body. There is an intimacy. There's a relationship that is the absolute beautiful coalescing of our divinity and our humanity, and then we get to go play. Then that's the object of the game, Alex. The object of the game is to come to this earth and figure. It out, how to be divinely human. That doesn't mean, oh, you know, I'm all, you know, like what we were just talking about. It means playing in the mud with your grandkids, and, and feeling the emanation of the joy and the love in that moment, because one of the knowings, this has been a journey of knowings for me, one knowing, then the next knowing, then the next knowing, and integrating those knowings. One of the knowings that I have been given is that we, when we choose to come forward, we have a due north, my guides call it, it's, it's the, the soul agreement, that thing, the thing that this is the direction that we're headed. We forget everything, and then we have a lifetime to remember our way back to the internal communication between our higher self and our humanness. Every single human has this ability. Now, then you have people like me who develop what you know people will call a gift. It's, it's no different than singing or playing the piano. It takes development, and everyone has some capacity to do it, but when that person who is coming into this moment with this humanness and they are taking steps on the road and they start to step in the direction that's going against their due north the internal aspects between their divinity, their higher self, and them, they will communicate, and the way that everybody can hear the communication is through the sensations of our body, through the nudges of our intuition, through the thoughts, not all of our thoughts, we have to be vigilant and masterful in our thinking, but through our thinking, our guides can speak to us through our mind, through that voice, through our emotional response. So our higher self is calling us to this intimate relationship, but people, these just like me, just exactly like me. I was seeking somehow. I was blessed that this ability came forward to channel, and then the ego brain comes online and says, you have to do something big with this. This is special. You've got to do something with this, Kelly. This is for the world, and my heart loves the world. I want to give to the world, of course. I want to give to the world, but you know what? It starts here, when I emanate from this point, this present moment, this beautiful, magical present moment when I emanate what I know for sure. I'm helping Mother Earth, I'm helping my brothers and sisters in human form, I'm helping this world. People, the number one questions people asked me during my time when I was working with doing lots of one to ones was, what is my purpose? They want it, they feel this drawing forward, that is a divine gift, that feeling like what what is right now is not all there is, that is a divine gift that keeps people trying to figure stuff out, and when you can start to settle down, and you can start to say it's about my relationship with me. It's about how well, in this moment, am I loving me, because in my filled cup I can love the world. In from the perspective of this beautiful relationship, learning to live like you said, in the trenches of the world with family, with challenges, with interviews, with, you know, all of the things that cause emotion and they cause reaction. We have to have the tools online to deal and to transmute those, those feelings, but we have been brainwashed by this world.

Kelly Bowker 14:26
We have been brainwashed by the energies of this planet that do not want us to step fully into our sovereignty. And so, how do they do that for someone that's spiritual like us? Is they keep us too busy, they keep us distracted, they play just close enough to the truth that we think we're on the right track. Because I want to serve, I must be on the right track. It doesn't matter that I'm exhausted, it doesn't matter that my body hurts, it doesn't matter that I'm not. I'm ignoring the people that I love in my world. I've got to serve. No, no, it starts in the present moment, and then it will radiate out, and I'm living proof. Because when we got done our first interview, Alex, you very kindly and generously spent about a half hour with me. I think you must have seen something in me, because you gave me a half hour of your time, and you gave me guidance about how to step forward in the world, because this little chick knows nothing about business, knows nothing about any of that stuff, and you were so sweet and so kind, and when I hung up with you, I knew 100% that that was not what I was supposed to do, not for me, I knew it wasn't my path, and I have learned over this two years how to navigate the path with my higher self leading the way, how to get a nudge, how to surrender completely into the present moment, completely surrender, be in that energy of flow, and then it's like they'll drop something. Send Alex an email, and I knew it was time. I'd thought that thought 100 dozen million times. I should reach out to Alex, and I would steal into it. Nope, nope, until the day, and my gosh, it was just boom. I, you've got to be busy, and it was boom, boom, boom. It was only a couple of three weeks ago. It was magic, but that's when you're, when you're listening, and you're following what your gods are telling you, and what I want to teach is I want to teach people how to hear that guidance, because my guides have given me some beautiful, wonderful practical advice on how the how to do it.

Alex Ferrari 16:56
Kelly, there's you brought up something interesting in regards to being like being in the moment, and then now, and one thing I've noticed, especially in the spiritual space, but this kind of goes across, I think every every experiencing human as being a human, when you say that we're so confused by this world, it, I completely agree, I say it all the time, this is an insane game that we've been thrown into, we don't understand the rules, we barely, we're just trying to bump around, trying to figure a way out in this, in this space, in this game, if you will, and a lot of times people will look for things to escape this reality, whether that be obviously drugs, food, other physical pleasures, you know, just things to just disconnect, if you will,

Kelly Bowker 17:51
Right.

Alex Ferrari 17:51
But I find that the spiritual path is very interesting in that, in this, this conversation, because many psychics, many mediums, many channels, even many just seekers spend a lot of time outside of the body, whether they are meditating for for 10 hours a day, and there's nothing wrong, don't get me wrong with that, there's moments for all of this, but this kind of thing that I need to be outside the body, because it's just I don't want to deal with the world, I don't want to deal with what's going on. I'd rather be inside myself. I'd rather be outside, and that's not why we're here. That's a part of the process, being outside the body, learning how to connect with our higher self, meditating, and getting the answers from within. All that's part of it, but when you start leaning into it too heavily to the point where I just don't, I want, I'd rather be meditating for six or seven hours, because I just don't want to deal with the world or my family or my job or something along those lines. Well, if you're meditating six or seven hours a day, obviously you don't have a job, but I love to hear your, your taking in, and your guides take on what I just said, and how can people address that, or messages around that.

Kelly Bowker 19:10
I see it as two different things, because there's two different ways that we kind of can go screwy, we can do that, where we go so completely into the metaphysic, you know, that beautiful space, the meditations, the quantum jumping, all the bells and whistles of all that stuff. We can go there, or we can also, those of us that are on this another trap of the spiritual path, is we spend all of our time learning about the next process, the next method, the next guru, the next teacher, the next cool thing, the next meditation process. Beth, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. We, and, and that we don't spend any time practicing any of it. We're learning, and we're learning, and we're. Learning, and we're learning. It was just about two years ago. After, after is when I started to realize I felt this incredible call. I knew they were calling me to the word embodiment. Kept coming, embodiment from every direction, and I kept thinking, what are they trying to tell me? Because I've had a long journey with my physical body, I've, I've had a real, I'd like to say, love-hate, but it's been mostly hate-hate relationship with who I am. It was just my generation, every diet, every, you know, just all of it, and I don't even want to give any more credence to that. I saw my body as the enemy, something to be fought against, and most people do. Either they look at their body as the thing that has let them down, the body is the thing that is in some way, you know, because it has gotten sick, maybe, and there's pain, and so my body has betrayed me. When, in all actuality, your body is calling you again, it is that beautiful entanglement between our sovereignty and our and our divinity and our humanity. Why did God do all this? Why did He make the planet and put us down here? I mean, really, let's get right into it, because non-physical couldn't experience, God couldn't hug the person that they loved, and see the beauty of a smile on your grandchild's face or your lover's face. You know, I mean, we are experiencing for the divine. We are the divine embodied, and when we start to realize that that's the journey that we're on, we're on the journey. I even now have a dialog between, between, I say there's a party going on in here. As I've, as I've pulled the threads and figured out what it means for me to be human, I realize all the different aspects that are happening at the same time within this, this humanness, and I, I ask you, know, often it's like, where, you know, what is that thought? Wait, what is that coming through right now? Where is that coming from? What the guides want us to know is that we are not here to overcome being human. We chose to be human for the experience of being human, not to be, you know, this is one of those betrayals of the zeitgeist that keeps us confused. We should be all, you know, no big highs, no big lows. We need to be neutral. We need to be able to. If I'm spiritual, I don't.. I'm not going to feel my emotions. Why would God give us emotions if we weren't supposed to feel them? Our emotions are a teacher. Our emotions.. my God's there, yelling in my head right now. Use the word gateway. Our emotions are our gateway to our humanity, because it is through the my experience of joy is unique to me, and so I get to gather the data of this lifetime to take back to my oversoul my beautiful unique experience, but you know it really boils down to it boils down to that idea of how do we manage the energy of the world in the present moment, if there would be one gift that I wish that, if I had a magic wand, that I could give everybody of what I have learned, what I've remembered in my journey is how to manage the energy on the fly. My guides taught me to dip into my own self and ask myself, Kelly, what are you feeling? What are you feeling right now?

Kelly Bowker 24:29
And as I would ask myself that, I would go into my physical body, they wanted me to feel inside my human body, what am I feeling, and so I take my awareness and I scan, and I'm like, well, I'm a little nervous, I got some tightness across my chest, my belly is a little bit tight, I can feel that because I'm excited, that's what the, that's what my body is telling me right now. If that energy wasn't serving me, then I could say. Could move in my body, and I could take some nice breaths, and I could work with that, because the minute we put our attention onto energy, it changes. So, even if I were to get completely something where dramatic was to happen, the minute I say to myself, Kelly, what are you feeling right now, and I'm like, I'm upset, I'm scared, I'm.. I'm blah. The minute I go into that, I'm naming it, I'm looking into myself, I'm naming it, I'm observing it, and it's starting to dissipate. It's giving me the control again. It's not outside of me, it's within me, it's between my higher self and myself, and my higher self can handle anything. There's nothing my higher self can't handle. There's a lot Kelly Colleen can't handle. My higher self doesn't get overwhelmed, and so when I start to feel that tension, my higher self will say, Kelly Colleen, what are you feeling right now? And I'll be like, oh, I'm getting a little scared, I'm feeling a little scared. Okay, so you're feeling scared. It's a wave. Alex, fear comes and then fear goes, and so you do breath work with it. You breathe with it. It settles it right back down again. It is absolutely miraculous, the the the change that this has made in my life. I'll be in a conversation, I've done it already with you. Be in my head and say, what are you feeling? Because I feel I felt myself starting to get my nerves started to go. I'm like, what are you feeling, Kelly? I'm kind of scared. My inner child is scared. It's like, okay, baby girl, and this is all going on behind what's going on here, because I'm loving me, I'm caring for me in this moment. There's nothing going wrong here. This is perfect. This is perfection. There's nothing for me to be afraid of, but my little girl's afraid of messing up. My little girl's afraid of not being able to help people see the joy that we've learned to experience in this lifetime, and we want to shine the light for other people. We want to help. I see her in my mind reaching her hand out. She wants to take the hand of the other inner child's inner children, I guess you'd say, and help them on their journey, it's a journey together. We are humanity, we are one. You know, the call to understanding oneness has been its own thing, because in my learning and understanding about oneness, the guides have showed me that I'm able to blend my what I know with the oneness of humanity, and then I can invite the energies that are not serving people, the energies of those little buggers, those little tricksters that they're throwing crap into our exeit guys all the time to keep us confused, I can, and we all can. This is nothing special about me, except I've figured it out. I can sit in a moment of meditation and breathe my energy, command the energy to come and transmute the energy in that moment, and then walk into a situation where I've transmuted the energy of it, and I'm in my head going, "Holy crap, this works. I just took 18 grandchildren, 48 dogs - no, I'm exaggerating - all my adult children camping, and I did this work about the camping trip. Not a cross word was spoken between anybody. How does that happen? I mean, that just doesn't happen. But I had, I did the energy work, I reached into time, because there is no time, and I transmuted the energy, and it's an amazing thing.

Kelly Bowker 28:56
But, and everyone can do it, but we are being told by whoever they are, we aren't able to do that. We can send energy to Mother Earth to be transmuted. We've all been taught to do that in our meditation. Think about that, Alex. Why would Mother Earth be able to transmute energy that doesn't serve, but we wouldn't? That makes no sense. Of course, we can. We are sovereign beings. We can command energy. There's nothing, nothing in this world for us to be afraid of.

Alex Ferrari 29:28
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Kelly Bowker 29:50
We can kick butt and take names, quite frankly.

Alex Ferrari 29:54
Hey, hey, hey, calm down, calm down, calm down. All right, everyone, relax,

Kelly Bowker 29:58
Get all fired up, fight out fire.

Alex Ferrari 30:03
Can you tell everybody who has not seen our first conversation who you channel and how you actually do the channeling?

Kelly Bowker 30:11
Well, my every day that goes by it changes. I don't know if that's the truth for other channels, but my, my relationship, my abilities, my knowings change daily, literally daily. It's quite hard to keep up with, to be honest. My guides tell me that the only limitation to my channeling is my human. When I, there are people who can. I watched you and Anjie. Oh my god, Anjie's beautiful. If you ever want to introduce me to Angie, I'd love to meet Anjie.

Alex Ferrari 30:48
Yeah,

Kelly Bowker 30:49
There's a lot of people on your show I'd love to meet, but she's so beautiful and so capable. And I got up from watching that and went down into the bedroom, and Jesus came through. Mary Magdalene came through. Mother Mary came through, and Quan Yin. My jaw started to shake. I think Quan Yin wants to tell you something.

Alex Ferrari 31:12
Okay,

Kelly Bowker 31:13
You.. I.. this is.. I had no plan of this, because Quan Yin.. I don't even know that she came through that morning. Oh no, it's.. it's definitely her. The jaw shivering is.. is my physical health. Nothing to be concerned about as I shift. Dear ones, we simply wanted to weigh into that beautiful conversation. Oh, you had the intention of speaking to what I believe your term that day was the divine feminine and you said to speak to all of the beautiful women out there and what we wanted to bring in was the understanding that the divine feminine is an integral part of every human in the same way that the divine masculine is. We invite you, dear ones, to dive deep into that understanding, for as you learn to wield the power of the masculine and feminine, one day, no, at one moment, just as the sliding on a scale, the human, the amount of masculine versus feminine, feminine versus masculine, is changing all the time, according to what is being called forth. Being aware of your power around the wielding of this is vital and important to your evolution as humans, for your world is out of balance in the masculine energy. Everyone is thinking about what do I do. The doing is masculine. It is is setting the stage, it is getting your ducks in a row, it is coming into full personal alignment and allowing and surrender, connecting completely to that which is us, the void, the quantum field that holds all potential is accessed through the divine feminine dear one. And then you open and you ask, is there something for me to do, and in the same way that this one got the nudge to email you, because it was time, and she could feel this is what we are teaching, dear one, would you ask us another question?

Alex Ferrari 34:22
Yes, I As America, as America approaches its 250th birthday, what do you feel the soul of this nation is being called to confront?

Kelly Bowker 34:33
As each human steps fully into their own excavation there? their excavation of self, as they begin to learn how to stand firmly in the present moment, feeling vulnerable. Experiencing from your humanity and clear and sovereign with the beautiful sword of Angel Michael at your back, knowing it is all within you. This is your personal journey, present moment by present moment, there is nothing going wrong in your world, dear ones. Each individual is on their own precious journey, and the level of discordance is intimate to the individual as you begin to embrace your inner knowings and you begin to see the perfection of the world even in its ugliness, it is perfect. We know how hard this is for you to accept, but indeed, dear ones, as you begin to understand that it is all frequency, that in every single present moment you are creating your experience, what do you see, and what are you using your imagination to bring in to this present moment? So this one could use her imagination and say, yes, I believe there is that man named President Trump, but in her present moment, does she see such a man. This is key. This is key to the understanding for what is before you. What is your experience? And when the atrocities come, and they do, dear ones, for this is the game you have chosen. What is the distance in time between the observation and the stepping into your heart and surrendering to the knowing that if it is in your experience, it is for you. This is what is challenging. We understand, but it is nonetheless the truth. Alex, the guides are nudging me because I, I got overtaken by Kuan Yin. Kuan Yin has has left the building, but I didn't say that. I do the best I can. It's a party in here, like I say. They want me to say that the energy that is called forth by the question is the energy I channel, the energies that so my higher self is here, your higher self is there. Quite frankly, you might not have known it, but you and I were talking this morning and working out some of the details of this energetically this morning, so that Kelly wouldn't, my human wouldn't be any more nervous than I needed to be, and we can use our higher self that is inside of this human body to merge with our oneness and do all kinds of magical work, but it starts in here, and so when I meet with anybody, my I use my intention, my sovereign intention. I move into my higher self. I move my higher self to your higher self, and then they are connected to it all.

Kelly Bowker 38:56
And I've never had a lot of need, although that they have, because I, I can by name bring lots of entities through, but my heart is just open, and it's, it's loving, and I drop into my heart, I open, and whatever comes is what comes, and sometimes, like in this time, Kuan Yin, and it was a big energy, and it made my body feel it. You've spoken about this on the show. New energies do affect you. They definitely do affect you. So, sometimes, like, I'll be in my one of my retreats, and a new energy will come through, and I'm flopping around like a carp on the beach, basically a fish on the beach, and I will say, "I'm fine, don't be scared, don't be scared. It's okay. I really wonder if other channels experience it like I do, because when a new energy comes and they come all the time, I feel it, and there's reaction, this physical reaction. It's quite interesting. But any more questions, I'd love to take them.

Alex Ferrari 39:59
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, so, so, Quan Yin had a beautiful, beautiful answer, but she didn't answer that question specifically about the 250th birthday. I really am curious to see what the guys have to say about what they believe America, because you and I both live here in the US, and what their, what this nation as a whole, the soul of the nation, is being called to confront within itself, like as we all do individually have things that we are, are called to deal with. I'm just curious, what they think about this, because it is a very big birthday for our country. We're still, we're, I don't even know if we're teenagers yet in the scope of the world, so we're still a fairly young country.

Kelly Bowker 40:46
Yeah, so I haven't got a clue. So let's ask them,

Alex Ferrari 40:49
Okay!

Kelly Bowker 40:50
So one of those big questions that there was a time when the looking at America as a single entity felt powerful, and it spoke of particular things, beliefs. There were shared values and ideas, we are working with this one, for she feels sadness. We do not. She feels sadness when she thinks about the division within her country, and how much she loves it. Many, many of you do what we are calling you to, dear ones, is for you to, because your country is you. There is no America without the people of America, you cannot. You cannot look at the whole without looking at the individual. The power of the whole sadly is no longer, but it will be because each person on their own personal journey, each individual will bring that energy of sovereign divinity. Our sovereign nation, have you not spoken those words? But do you, in your heart, do you, do you, do you feel that your America is sovereign in this moment? It is likely you do not understand that the world is transforming and the understanding of the multiverse is helpful when you think about all of the potential that America can experience at this time, so we would bring you to that understanding, understanding that each individual's experience of this country is going to be unique to them, this is very difficult for the human to understand. Many of you have quite a clear knowing around the multiverse and understand the idea that you are moving between timelines many, many times, even a second, if you apply this to the relationship, the energetic relationship between each individual American and their country, and you see America the way you want to see America, you experience this beautiful country the way you choose to experience this country, and it will be the outcome that you seek. The more of you who can turn away from the chaos and the hatred and the division, who can look at it with love and compassion, can understand it as the perfection it is required because. Humans, we hate to say it, dear ones, but you are slow, and it takes a lot sometimes to get your attention. So, those that are stuck in the perspective of life, they're going to experience all of the catastrophes and all of the division that your imagination can take you to, but do you have to? Does this one have to know? Can you come into the present moment with your own divine sovereignty and choose the frequency that you are going to create from. We understand there are those that will shake their heads. They do not fully understand. They do not fully step into their power. There is so much for you to remember, so much of your sovereignty for you to remember. It's all a game, Alex. It's all a game

Alex Ferrari 46:17
When you tune into the energy of the world today, what stands out to you the most?

Kelly Bowker 46:24
The need for humanity to understand that Mother Earth has it covered. Those look upon the magnificence that is I, that is Gaia, that is Mother Earth, and you wring your hands like I am somehow less than and cannot take care of my own is-ness. We would say to you, you are very confused. Know the power that is within that which is Mother Earth, that which is Gaia. For I have things well in hand. There is nothing for you to fear, dear ones. You do not need to be able to understand it in that simple knowing there is such power for you humans. We are one, you are within me, and I am around and part of you. We are part of the whole, and yet somehow you, I have been diminished to this nothing but stuff. I am powerful, dear ones. I am powerful, and there is nothing for you to fear when you love me. You expand me and yourself when you have fear, you give our energy away. Where is your faith, children? Where is your faith and your trust? This is what you are being called to. Womsie, monsie, clumsy woolsey, now. that was Mother Earth. She came through big time.

Alex Ferrari 48:26
How are you doing? You okay?

Kelly Bowker 48:31
She is powerful. The first time that I channeled Mother Earth, I cried and told her I didn't want to be a tree hugger, and she said I'm from Maine, we cut down trees and make paper and do stuff like that, and I'd heard my dad make fun of tree huggers. No, you know, hopefully we don't get 1000 emails about this, but then at the place that I was able to allow her her energy to come through. She helped me to see how perfect she is, that she's.. she showed me that the fit.. the fear around Mother Earth causes, and she just said it again, causes her more pain and more diminishment than loving her, love her, not out of a reaction, you know, plant a tree out of love, not out of grump, because they've cut down all them damn trees. No, do it out of love that serves her, that serves her. We are co-creating Mother Earth and us, when she, when I came, when she came through, she showed me humans within her. This is just a story, but they showed me embedded, like up to my chest, up to my heart, and that, and she basically described it. It's in, it's in my second book, that that whole downloads in my second book. I, she showed me that we are cells within a much larger thing, that she's a cell within a much larger thing. It was way beyond my pea brain could wrap around. I mean, it was a lot of, a lot of knowing that I just didn't have any understanding of, but as I have grown, this was I, Mother Earth came through the first time, probably two and a half, three years ago now, and what I've learned since then is the the infiniteness of Mother Earth, she's not just a blue marble floating in the sky. She is a being that is tending to things. She is infinite. She's absolutely infinite. I'm not sure that, that you know, people will say to me, like, about my retreats, they'll say, "What are we going to do at your retreats? And I have to say, whatever the guides decide, because yes, questions will guide, but if something wants to come through, it comes through, and that you know, I have to just surrender, because that I don't know, that did that answer your question?

Alex Ferrari 51:14
I think I did, but then it went off to another area, which is fine, which is fine.

Kelly Bowker 51:20
She wants that, she wanted to make known. I think it's because you know one of the most powerful forces on this planet that is against us is fear.

Alex Ferrari 51:30
Yes,

Kelly Bowker 51:30
And and people are afraid, and one of the big things we're afraid of is that we're going to blow up this damn planet. What if, you know, but but you and I aren't afraid of that, Alex, but there are people who are afraid that the pollution is going to take over, that it's gonna, that we're just, that we're killing the planet, we're not killing the planet, the planet has her own support system, intergalactic support, the planet has it going on, she knows what she's doing. There's things going on that us humans have no idea about, and never probably will.

Alex Ferrari 52:08
So, my next question for whoever comes through is, what? What has happened? What is happening beneath the chaos that most people cannot yet see, because there's a lot of craziness happening in the world.

Kelly Bowker 52:23
What is happening beneath the chaos, individually or you mean

Alex Ferrari 52:27
Both, individually and collectively, more collectively than individually? Because I think everyone is at different variations of dealing with things in their lives, but collectively there's a very visceral thing that's happening around the planet in every every aspect of our life,

Kelly Bowker 52:43
It is the distraction, all of the chaos affecting the human to have fear, to feel like they, they're not enough, to feel like it's too much, that life is awful, all of this is on a collective and an individual level, is simply the distractions keeping us from the truth, and the truth is simply that you are a divine being on this planet that you each of us have the power to create the world that we want, but we're so distracted by all of the chaos, and until the individual becomes empowered to take control of their own sovereign divinity, the collective will be lost.

Alex Ferrari 53:44
Simple as that.

Kelly Bowker 53:45
Simple as that. I mean, that's pretty damn true. You know, Alex, I've listened to a lot of your interviews over the last couple of years, and a question that you would ask, and my heart wanted to answer was around fear and around the whole light and dark thing, and, and, and us, our vulnerability to this kind of thing. I'd look, can I speak to that a little?

Alex Ferrari 54:15
Please,

Kelly Bowker 54:17
It is a game. Well, there's lots and lots of science that goes behind all the different ways of thinking about that, but there are some rules to the game that, if you understand it, it gives you power, and one of those things is the understanding of the balance of light and dark. We heard from Kuan Yin the balance that beautiful, she showed me in my mind this sliding scale, it's a fluidity between masculine and feminine, the feminine, the divine masculine, divine feminine, that fluidity is the same as light and dark, but people think. Dark is bad, that's one of those viral confusions, those viral beliefs that is is just close enough to truth that it keeps that spiritual seeker confused. There, there is the sacred dark. The sacred darkness is the potential we do not need to fear the dark. Matthias De Stefano described it the best. He said our fear of the darkness is biology. Learning what that the saber-toothed tiger could come out of the dark and eat us made us afraid of the dark. That made sense. Well, that now they've the my guides call it the others. It's the energies, the patterns. It's all a story to help us wrap our head around it. It is the, the beliefs, the patterns of thinking, all of that kind of stuff. My guides call it the others, and it is the stuff that keep us from fully stepping into our power, so the truth of this world is there is divine light, there is beautiful divine darkness, and there is the others. The others, a way to think about it, there's nothing to fear, for we are sovereign, we can kick butt and take names with there's nothing for us to fear, and this is that little Baptist girl, remember that little Baptist girl that was trained the devil was coming for her, if she thought a bad thought, the devil was coming, and I had to, I had to fully transmute all of those beliefs, but those beliefs keep us small, they keep us afraid. So, what are.. what is.. what is it? It is when you.. it's.. it's the trust of your own experience, that's what it is. We've been trained away from learning to trust our own divine experience. If you say a truth to me and my isness recoils, I would lean into that, and I'd be like, well, that's just not for me, I guess. If you say something to me and my heart opens and I feel drawn in, oh, that's for me. That's how Kelly defines and navigates her truth. We all have a different truth, but we've been conditioned. It's the conditioning that is the others. We've been conditioned to believe there's one right way. Oh my god, when I used to think I don't want to do it wrong, I want to get it right. Think of how many times do we say this to ourselves, and in the run of a week, I don't want to get it wrong. Yeah, well, guess what? You can't get it wrong, you're perfect. The confusion keeps you from your divinity, and it is, it is the confusion that says you can't trust yourself. It's the confusion that says that that this person or this person, they have access to divinity, but I don't. That unworthiness, that rotten, miserable unworthiness, that is so 1000s of years of programming to make humans believe that they're not worthy, they're a dirty, rotten sinner, born bad, born into this world. These are the threads of confusion. Something came into my mind, a song that I learned when I was a little kid in Sunday school, and it was man and wife asleep in bed. She hears a noise and turns her head, he's gone. I wish we'd all been ready. I learned that as a little kid, that means that if I fully, fully step into my sovereignty, I'm going to step away from the people I love, because that Mike's not my beautiful Michael, he doesn't believe any of this stuff, he's on his own journey, one of those beliefs, one of those, I'm going to be brave and say demonic beliefs is that if I fully, fully re remember who I am. I'm going to somehow be beamed off this planet and not get to live out my life with Michael.

Kelly Bowker 59:29
And you know, there's an awful lot of us on this journey who have worried about that, and I'm speaking directly to them. That is not going to be the case. I can promise you that is not going to be the case. We are going to live our divinity on this planet in this lifetime with this personality, that's the goal. There is nothing to fear, and when you feel fear, that sentence, whoever the. Quote came from, there's nothing to fear, but fear itself is so true. The fear is what makes you vulnerable, and so when allow yourself to feel afraid. See, there's another one of those viral beliefs we're not supposed to feel. I'm not a good Christian girl, I'm not a fully embodied sovereign being, if I feel afraid, that's not true. What, what I know is that I am both sovereign and human. So, sometimes my little Kelly girl gets really scared, and I wrap my sovereignty around her. That's the self love I'm talking about, and I talked to that little girl inside myself, and I say, yeah, you're scary, that big Alex, he's scary, you, you don't want, we're scared of him, scared, no, of course not, but, but, yeah, afraid of failing, she, she had to feel all of that this morning, and I loved her, and I talked to her, and I made her feel okay. We are.. that's one of those viral beliefs - is we're not supposed to feel vulnerable. When I feel afraid, I let myself feel afraid. When I feel angry, I let myself express my anger in whatever way feels right in that moment, and through that journey with my emotions, which I feel like we could do a whole program on, is the relationship between us and our emotions. Through what I've learned, I have stepped fully into what we talk about when we say we want to be responsive to life, not reactive. Alex, Mike will make me mad, and I'll be in my head, and literally I feel like I'm doing this. I'm not on the outside, but inside I'm like, okay, he's really pissed me off. I'm really angry. I think I'm going to yell, and then I yell. I'm not reacting, I'm in my head, and I think to myself, yeah, I think he needs to know this really matters. I'm going to yell, and then I yell. I'm not reacting, I'm responding, and that is like I'm going to give myself a 95 I'm a teacher at heart, and I get grades, and I'm going to give myself a 95 in that, because even when big things hit, because of the work that I, they have taught me how to do between my human and my sovereignty, I feel this level of power and steadiness and and calmness that is pretty unshakable, which makes me feel like the things that could possibly happen, that we know the emails people get, in the comments people get. Two years ago, those broke my heart, and now they don't. They won't. They won't have any power over me. Might they hurt my feelings? Might I feel a reaction? And then I'm going to, I'm going to process that beautiful wave of energy, and I'm going to be steady in my sovereignty.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:14
Beautifully said, my dear. Beautifully said. One other question I like to ask the guides, whoever likes to come in during this time period. What do you see for humanity to give people a little bit of an understanding of what we're going through right now, and where we're hopefully we'll turn the curve, like this is a wave humanity is riding, like you said, so we're wide riding this wave right now, and it's a bit choppy, and people are concerned about, and they're fearful about what's going to come. What can the guides tell us in regards to what's coming this year, five years from now, 10 years from now, and so on.

Kelly Bowker 1:03:55
Dear one, we must say to you that there is an inherent, we will say the word flaw in the question, for you are looking through the eyes of the collective, and what we are here to shine the light upon is that every individual will have their own experience. This is what humanity is waking up to. When you begin to see the potential, when you begin to feel the quickening in your own isness that this is real, that this is true, that these words are for you. Then you begin to create the life that you want, and it is, as you would say, a domino effect, every person's. Experience of time will be different. There are those that are on the journey that are very much, we will use words to create the story for understanding. It is not literal, but it is - it's an understanding, the tiptoe between the understanding and 5d and beyond, you have experienced those moments when life is so delicious, you know of which we speak, but when you reach into what you call the world, and you bring those experiences in, and you render your clothing, and you feel the fear. It is not serving you. What is your experience? What is the one year from now that you are going to create? Are you going to be the master of your own humanity, are you going to learn to master your thinking, master your emotions, master your physicality, or are you just going to be taking this newsreel and this news reel that they want you to see designed exactly the way they want you to fear and to be a be small and at the mercy you get to choose that and you also get to choose not and we are not saying that that divine individual cannot stand with their eyes on all of the devastation, for they can, the masters can stand with their eyes looking on the devastation and know the perfection for each individual that is participating in it. It is perfect, and in your ability to see the perfection of your world, that therein lies your creation. They're getting kind of strong in there talking.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:24
I love it. I loved it. Great, great answer.

Kelly Bowker 1:07:29
We look at the world, Alex, at like a whole. It's how we're trained to look at it, you know. We've been taught with the law of attraction that we create our own world, and there's a big part of lots of us that understand that there's, yeah, there's truth to that, but what the thing of it is, is we haven't fully realized the tool that our imagination is, because in this moment I'm looking out at my beautiful silver lake, green trees, sky, I this fun, this beautifulness. I have it is my imagination that brings anything else into this moment, and there are those humans that are going to say, but it's true, Trump's in office, this is happening, people go up, there's war, there's this, there's famine, there's laugh. I don't see it, and when I do, when it is in my presence, when I see this is how they put it to me, when I see the atrocity, then the power that I have is to radiate my compassion. I can push through the beautiful, sovereign, interconnected crystalline grid of connection that we all have. I push love and compassion because everyone is experiencing this is a harsh thing to say, I know it is, and I say it with all love that we all experience what we are calling forth. It will be as hard as it's needed to be to get us to finally surrender to our divinity. We are here to remember who we are, Alex. You know, we hear that all the time, and we say those words so easily, but I feel honest to gosh, I feel like I'm beginning to remember because I have such a sense of I don't have to understand it all, I have this, like my human is fully surrendered to not understanding, I don't, and that, that in itself was huge, when, when, when that happened on my journey, when all of a sudden I realized. Is that I can't get to my divine feminine without surrender, divine feminine, and if I'm going to create anything good, I have to learn how to surrender into my divine feminine to create. That's part of creation. It's where everything is. It's the dark, it's the, it's the, it's the quantum potential. So, if I'm going to learn how to reach into the potential, then I have to be able to reach, I have to be able to surrender, and in order to surrender, I have to have a cookie to give to my ego brain to make it shut up, and now the cookie that works is we don't have to understand, we have faith, we trust, we don't have to understand, we can just know. And how do I know? I can feel it. I know by how it feels that it's the truth.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:50
Kelly, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Kelly Bowker 1:10:54
Oh, Alex, I do have a website. Yay, go Kelly, Kelly bowker.net It's been a challenge, but I do have a website. I am creating a group, a try, I call it my tribe. I get, we get together at least once a week on a Zoom call, where people can ask questions and stuff. So, you can become an all-access pass member. If it's something you're interested in, go to my website. If you want to book a one to one with me, I'm open to doing that. august 6, it's on my website, you'll see it. I'm having a retreat. It's a very.. it's right here at my home. It's going to be at my beautiful Silver Lake. It will be wonderful and fun. I've written two books. They are on Amazon. They're also. you can find those on my website. So, and then, of course, my YouTube channel, Present Moment Magic, and Alex, you know, you've got to have felt the theme through this whole thing. They really are pretty straightforward in what they're teaching about being in the present moment. And it was them that gave me the title to my YouTube channel, and at the time they said present moment magic, because the magic is in the present moment. They're great brandings,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:10
You have a good marketing, you have a good marketing team.

Kelly Bowker 1:12:13
Wonderful, I thank you so much, Alex.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:18
And thank you so much, I appreciate that very much. And Kelly, thank you so much for being here, and for all the amazing work you're doing to awaken the planet. So, I appreciate you, my dear, and thank you again.