Alex Ferrari 0:00
Every aspect of our lives, banking, all of it, it's all starting to bubble up to show us the truth.

Carole Obley 0:06
The outer world is but a reflection of what's going on within the individual. This is a time of great fluctuation and polarity. Now, the physical plane unto itself is polarity-oriented, meaning we've got extremes, but because of the reality of free will, it's up to us to choose. It's almost like we need a magnifying glass now to really see what's going on here.

Alex Ferrari 0:35
Why do we need to have this kind of polarity that is obviously not functioning for anybody in the on the world.

Carole Obley 0:43
And you know the hard truth is this...

Alex Ferrari 0:54
I like to welcome to the show Carole Obley. How you doing, Carole?

Carole Obley 0:58
Great, so good to be here.

Alex Ferrari 1:01
Thank you so much for being on the show. You have been a medium for a few years now. When did you start?

Carole Obley 1:11
About 30,

Alex Ferrari 1:13
About 30 years. You've been doing this work. You've done over 10,000 15,000 readings at this point in your career, correct?

Carole Obley 1:21
Yes, sir, that is correct. I actually lost count. I tried to do an estimate, and it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 16,000 contacts with the spirit world.

Alex Ferrari 1:33
When did this start happening to you? When did you first have an experience that your first spiritual experience?

Carole Obley 1:40
Well, you know, I might be a little bit different than some other mediums in the field. Not until my mid to late 30s, and that came about as a result of a devastating fire in the books that I've written. I've written five books at this point. I talk about that, and what put me onto the pathway. I was running a business, and the business burned overnight. We had an electrical fire, and I was not able to rebuild. So, for about nine months to a year, I was left essentially directionless, had no clue what I was going to do with my life. In fact, I remember saying, God, can you just come down here and assign me a job, because I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing here. And so it was through something very devastating, in addition to an earlier, and I've written openly about this too, and that's addiction, alcoholism, and I got sober in my 20s, and have not drank alcohol in like 43 years, so but that's what put me onto the pathway, I almost feel it was an event to pull me off of the pathway of running this other sort of non-spiritual type of business and put me squarely onto the pathway of my soul's purpose.

Alex Ferrari 3:15
So we're talking about a spiritual, like this is kind of your first journey onto the spiritual path, but as far as the mediumship and the psychic abilities, and that. When did that happen?

Carole Obley 3:27
Yeah, my mid to late 30s, I got a phone call from a friend who unfortunately was killed on her way in a car accident to my house. It was very devastating at the time. Prior to that, she had called me and said, "You have to go to this metaphysical center. It was near a small town near where I live. And my reply was, "How's that going to help me get a job? I'm not, you know, I don't have time to fool around here. I have to find something else, you know, to earn money. And so there was a second phone call from her, and same thing. So reluctantly, one Sunday I got dressed up, and I went to the center, and as soon as I walked in, I immediately felt at home, particularly with and what I began with, with mediumship was touch mediumship, healing, delivering spiritual healing after a lot of training, and Reiki after a mastership to all sorts of people, we would have a healing sanctuary a couple of times a month, where the public would come in. So, from there, speaking mediumship, or evidentiary mediumship developed for me, and I went to a place called Delphi, it's near Atlanta, Georgia. And I got training there and I got became certified in mediumship and then took a lot of training at Lily Dale, New York, where I've also taught many, many times. It's a spiritualist community. I'm sure a lot of your listeners have probably heard of Lily Dale.

Alex Ferrari 5:18
So, when was the moment you first saw a did you see spirit, or do you hear spirit, or how do you feel it? What are the clears that you are most attached to?

Carole Obley 5:29
Clear sentience, which means clear is from the French, and it means clear. Sentient is feeling or sensing. So, the way that I explain it is, it's really clear sentience is an impression, and you know, I always use the analogy. If I had a painting and I have it covered with a cloth, and I say to you, Alex, give me your impression of this painting when I take the cloth off. Does it? How does it make you feel? What do you sense from it? Does it pull you in? What are the colors like? How do they speak to you? So it's really the other two clairs, clairaudience and clairvoyance, arise organically from clairsentience. So that is really a fundamental sense for most people who eventually become mediums, and everything else sort of stems from that, but yes, I do often see spirit that took a while to develop, and when I hear, which is really telepathy, it's in my own voice, and it's words, names, you know, locations, so there's many, many different things that I will hear in my mind when I'm engaged in a reading.

Alex Ferrari 6:58
Now, from my understanding, you can be a psychic and not a medium, but you can't be a medium without being a psychic. Is that a fair, a fair analogy?

Carole Obley 7:06
Yeah, that's spot on. Because the only difference, and this is very simple, for you know, for people to understand, if I'm doing a psychic reading, I'm reading the person in front of me who's in a physical body at this point I read nationally and actually internationally, so it's mostly on the phone or through Zoom, so and I actually prefer not seeing somebody, it's very pure, it's very pure, so I'm reading that person's energy field in front of me, mediumship is reading the energy field or the consciousness of a soul in the spirit world who does not have a body, so that's the main difference. It's really the same phenomena, but it's just a matter of the recipient of the reading, one being here in the physical realm and one, not

Alex Ferrari 8:01
So, when you're tapping in. So, let's say you were having a reading with me, and are you're not listening to Uncle Bob in the corner, who's telling you what to tell me. You're actually tapping into my higher self, if you will.

Carole Obley 8:14
Yeah, or the auric field on the aura, simply being that energy field that emanates from your physical body, it's also called the etheric body. The etheric is really a template for the physical, and when we're developing in the womb before birth, the etheric body forms to form it's the energy, it's an energy body, and it's sort of the template that the physical body is going to be in the infant,

Alex Ferrari 8:45
So when you're getting the information, you're getting it from higher self, auric body of myself, of the information that needs to come through, and that field of consciousness by auric field, or higher self, whatever you want to call it, knows where I'm going, as far as, like, with the potentialities of my future, because that's generally what people think about when you have a psychic reading, like, what's coming, when am I going to meet mr. Wonderful, when am I going to, you know, get that job, when am I, what are the lottery tickets numbers,

Carole Obley 9:17
I call them the big two, you know, when am I going to get laid? When I get paid, that sounds awful, but I mean, when I first started years ago, and I was doing readings in a metaphysical bookstore in Pittsburgh, a lot of people came. Those were the big two questions, and then this other aspect started to open up. Actually, two different aspects that I never asked for. One of them was reading the Akashic Files, and that just happened spontaneously. I would see scenes over the individual's left shoulder and. And I've written about that phenomenon in my books. How did that open for me? I never asked for it, but when I would relay it to the recipient, there would be this recognition. Oh, I've always been drawn to Italy, or I've always, you know, felt this particular pattern, this particular problem or challenge in my life, and so you can actually look at that and see the roots from that storehouse that each soul has, called the Akashic Files, also called the Akashic Records. You can see where that originated, and so when we know that, then we can begin to really heal it.

Alex Ferrari 10:46
I have to ask you, because you've been doing this now 30 years, and in the last 30 years a few things have changed in the world, just a couple things, and I wanted to see what is your take on humanity's consciousness, as it relates to your readings, because I imagine if in the 90s when you were starting this, it was much more in the physical world, like it's like, I want, when am I going to get laid, when am I going to get paid, when I was going to do this, all that kind of stuff, but has there been a shift into more deeper questions, deeper understandings of consciousness, and not just going after the physical, physical readings, meaning like things about in the physical, in the materialistic world, but more in the esoteric, or more into understanding who they are better. Have you seen that in your work?

Carole Obley 11:38
I would say yes. People today, and I wrote all about this in my latest book, The Art, The Art of Sensing, and it's about going within to jumpstart inner transformation, because outer, the outer world is but a reflection of what's going on within the individual, so you know that Michael Jackson song, The Man in the Mirror,

Alex Ferrari 12:08
Yeah,

Carole Obley 12:09
That's what I, that's what we have to do, is to look within if we want to see a change in the world, and absolutely we're in this pivotal point, we're in a highly transformational time, you know. I am also extremely knowledgeable and skilled with astrology, so I've done a lot of studying with that too. And when Pluto, the planet Pluto of transformation, entered the sign of Aquarius, Aquarius being the masses, you know, the greater good. We were hit with all of this transformative energy, and a lot of people became very overwhelmed. A lot of people gave in to fear. A lot of people, and I'm actually at this point, right now, too, of not knowing what is sometimes, particularly on social media, not knowing what is true and what is what is not. So, my message, the overriding theme in the art of sensing is following the journey of your own soul, going within, so that you can find the place of peace. There's so many people today who are not at peace, you know, anxiety, depression, or epidemic, particularly in younger people, and so you're never going to find that in the outside world, it doesn't exist there, it has to be from within the individual, and once you do that, the journey unfolds, so absolutely, there is, there was not that level of, you know, discontent or chaos going on. When I first started, as there is today,

Alex Ferrari 14:07
I have to ask, with your, you know, done 15 16,000 readings, at a certain point from your perspective, I mean, people come to you because they're searching for something, they want answers, so it's either like, hey, did my, is my grandma okay, or hey, am I ever going to find love, or hey, am I going to ever get that job, or make it big in the show business, or whatever it might be. Do you at a certain point just go like these, these kind of questions don't like this is not helping you. In other words, in other words, it becomes almost entertainment, and it doesn't really help the soul in the journey. So, like, I was guilty of this when I was a young man. I would go to psychics all the time when I was young, asking all the materialistic questions about career and love and things all based in this reality. But I mean, it was really based on fear. I was terrified about what was going to come. I was terrified of something bad happening. I was terrified of all that in your work. How do you approach that kind of client and those kind of souls that come to you?

Carole Obley 15:14
Well, my work is and always has been about healing, and to me the core of doing this sort of service is number one about human relationships, obviously with mediumship, that that person or pet, so been many, many readings in which animals come through as well, that love is inexhaustible and it's eternal, but there's more to it than not. The core is about the expansiveness and eternity of the recipients of readings, their own soul, and so I think that that's an often overlooked aspect of mediumship that it's not just about, oh, look, you know, look at the evidence I've provided, look how great I am, or whatever. Ego will absolutely destroy anyone who is practicing mediumship, and if you get into ego, I'm extremely cognizant of ego creeping into anything that I do, so it has to be about feeling better after a half an hour or an hour than when you initially, you know, came into the session, and I have witnessed that time and time again, it has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with spirit, which is my word for God, or you know, source, or whatever you want. It's all the same thing, and to help people understand that the choices that we make in life determine the quality of our life. In fact, in my fourth book, Wisdom from the Spirit World, well, that was one of the lessons that I've gleaned from years and years of talking to people in the spirit world, the power of choice that resides within each of us, that is the point, the pivotal point in the current moment, because that's all you and I have, that's all anyone has to begin to change the trajectory of your life, and to understand that that's within you, not out there. Nobody can give it to you, nobody can take it away. So, essentially, yeah, my work, and I take it very seriously, is about helping people to transform and to realize that you do not have to be a professional medium or professional psychic or anybody extraordinary to tap into your inner senses to follow the your soul's journey that was written before you even came here and to improve the quality of your life.

Alex Ferrari 18:20
There's one, there's one thing that I try to always warn people about in regards to psychic mediums, and I think this is a warning that I think you will agree with me on, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. Is that a lot of people look upon the gifts that are given or the abilities that have been opened within, because we all have the ability to do what you do, it's just it's just being able to open them and get them to a place where you can do it, but a lot of people associate that if you have this ability, that must mean that you're a good person and you have ethical ways of doing what you do. I try to warn people against, like, listen, that just because you have these abilities, doesn't make people good, because I've run into psychics who are not good people who work that did things for money or did things for this and had a lot of ego and things like that, so I'd love to hear your thoughts from from that point of view to let people know what you feel about it.

Carole Obley 19:14
Ethics are extremely vital in this field, I consider myself highly ethical. If I can't help a person, you know, someone calls my office, and well, I have this going on, or have that, I will flat out tell them, you know, that's not something that's not in my area of expertise. I have actually turned people away, Alex, because they're becoming too dependent. That is unethical. You cannot develop it's not good for the individual, it's not good for the medium, because what you are doing is you are creating a you need me scenario.

Alex Ferrari 20:00
Dependency, yeah,

Carole Obley 20:01
And that is not healthy, and that's why I've written books, that's why I've taught, I've had many years of teaching spirituality and mediumship, metaphysics, that's why I tell people, you know, tools that you can use that don't cost anything, like you know, mindfulness, stillness, you know, going out and walking in nature. These are tools, they don't cost anything, that you are right at your disposal, that you can use. It is not good to become dependent, you know, on anyone, and there needs to be balance in life. You know, one of the questions I've been asked through numerous interviews is, are you always seeing spirits, and the answer to that is no. You should not. Any ethical medium should not constantly be on, because we're meant to enjoy and to experience life here in the physical realm, or we wouldn't be here, so you know, enjoying a walk, you know, enjoying relationships, laughing, going to a movie, you know, we're meant to do all of that, and I have never met, even you know, with the well-known mediums, they will tell you the same thing, you, you know, you should not be on all the time, that is a very good way to become ill, or to become drained, and I also have heard people, well, you know, the spirits are waking me up in the middle of the night, that shouldn't be happening, because you own your energy, you own your body, and so you have control over that.

Alex Ferrari 21:55
You mentioned earlier that we are going currently through a very transformative time before we dive into that. When was the last transformative time that some people have a reference point in human history that something I don't think anything exactly like this, but something similar.

Carole Obley 22:14
Well, in 2020 you know, no matter what your opinion on that, is certainly you and I saw massive change, businesses closing, people absolutely doing things out of fear, and so you know the what looks or looked bad, and that's that's what people have to realize. It opened the door, I believe, and it always does to transformation. So, when anything leaves our life, whether that be through death or through the loss of a job, a serious illness, the breakup of a marriage, or a relationship, it's very painful, and there's suffering involved, and we need to feel that, but there is always an opportunity presented in that situation, so yeah, I believe, I mean, I could even go back, you know, I was a little kid, but during the 60s, all of the, the racial riots, tension, you know, assassinations, you know, so probably, and by the way, some of the same planetary positions and aspects or relationships between the planets are in place today that were in place then, and also get this during the Civil War, some of the same, the big outer planets, Neptune, for example, were in place then that are in place now, meaning in the same signs, and so forth. So, what you get are these cycles of consciousness, that's that's all astrology is, the planets, you know, you can look through a telescope and see, yes, there are planets there, they're physical things, but they are representative of energies within the human being, and you probably heard this, Alex, as above, so below, and so it's referring to consciousness, I would say, yeah, physically the planets are above us in the sky, but it's that trickle down effect, so these come up for us in order to in some way evolve through them, now if you. Look at the 60s. Absolutely, you know, there was evolution that took place in human consciousness as a result of some very painful events, and we're going through that again here.

Alex Ferrari 25:13
It seems like, yeah, in the 60s it seems like it was kind of the birth of, at least in the West, of the metaphysical movement, new age movement. Yes, all that meditation gurus coming in from India in a big, big way, the Maharishi, and those kind of, those kind of souls and stuff. So, there was definitely, but I can see the mirroring of it, because there is also a big spiritual awakening happening today, and our consciousness is higher than it's ever been, to my understanding, in this cycle, at least, and things are changing so rapidly, but it feels like someone's put a put a brick on the gas pedal, man. It just will not let up. It's just burning, that

Carole Obley 25:56
You feel that too. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 25:59
It's changes so fast, and it's every day.

Carole Obley 26:03
I know,

Alex Ferrari 26:04
Every day, like it's something new. And I, from my perspective, when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, you know, things changed, but I always use the example of, like, VHS. VHS showed up, then video store showed up, and it was a slow process, a good decade, 15 years, then DVD showed up, and then things started to speed up even more and more, then streaming showed up, and then this, and now it's like, and I'm just using movies as an example, from that's where I come from, but it's now every, there's a, there's new stuff happening all the time, and now AI, and all this stuff, it's so hard to even process cognitively what's happening. That's why I feel things so many people are so overwhelmed. Would you agree?

Carole Obley 26:49
I agree. And you're going to, during the next seven years, you will see, I think it's mind-boggling, because Uranus, the planet of rebellion, the planet of I must be my authentic self, and you're going to get out of that box, because that's Uranus' evolutionary purpose. It just entered in, about a month or so ago, into Gemini. What is Gemini? It's communication. communication, it's thinking, it's talking, it's technology. So, a Uranus, by the way, rules the internet, and Uranus rules electricity. So, this is why I'm confident in saying, you, you haven't seen nothing yet, truly, and I understand what you said about being very overwhelmed, because I'm sort of a dinosaur with tech, you know, I get used to something and doing it a certain way, even with, you know, with Zoom, and the next thing I know, oh, well, it's changed now, and then you have to adapt to that, and so that look, the point is, don't become overwhelmed, you know, do what you can, and you know, keep both feet on the ground. I think it's really important that we all do grounding now, you know, making sure that our root center at the base of the spine is is connected to the earth, and that we're not letting this run away with us. An interesting facet of this, I saw the other day, it was an ad for another spiritual network, and it was a person advertising AI for mediumship. Now, when I saw that, I said no way, because AI is not a human soul, it will never be that, and so when mediumship takes place, there's a blending of that soul that, of course, doesn't have a body with when I'm doing readings with my soul as the medium. How is AI going to do that? AI is incapable of being a living, breathing soul with intelligence. Yes, it has intelligence, but that's what scares me.

Alex Ferrari 29:29
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Carole Obley 29:52
That, and as an author, you know, someone's stealing my work, or whatever, duplicating it, so. I think that's a real concern for those of us who are in the communication field, no matter what aspect of it it might be, but yes, I mean, I just was flabbergasted, I saw that AI, you know, AI mediumship,

Alex Ferrari 30:18
I mean, let me know what you think about this, because I don't fear AI at all. I think AI is here to help us, and I think it will. It's inevitable. It's going to - it's already here. It's already going to do it. It came like a rocket, like one day we're not talking about an all of a sudden AI is everywhere. So it's pretty interesting. I've also had people reach out talking about AI and spirituality and AI doing this, and there's there's places for it. I don't agree with AI mediumship. I agree with you 100% I don't think that's a thing, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Just like when you are thinking of Uncle Bob, and you're driving in the car, right, and Uncle Bob has passed, and you're thinking about Uncle Bob, and all of a sudden Uncle Bob's favorite song comes on the radio. It's a form of, it's a way of spirit communicating with that person, and I think we've all felt it in one way, shape, or form. Or you think about someone, and someone calls, and they're here to talk about Uncle Bob, or something along those lines, is there a potential for the same way that spirit would use a song or a TV show, or an, you know, something, or even a butterfly showing up when your mother, your mother, past love butterflies in that moment? Is there is there a place where they, that spirit would be able to manipulate AI in the same way to give you a message, not in the same way that you presented it, like AI mediumship, like you go to an AI thing and go talk to be Uncle Bob. I don't believe that, but is there a potential for that? Just curious, what you think.

Carole Obley 31:56
I don't know, there might be, because I say that because I've explored just about every aspect of the paranormal at this point, and particularly with spirit communication, you know, there's these those talk boxes, and there's also some paranormal investigators who use a regular really dating myself with this, but like a little trend I have these when I was growing up in the 60s on transistor radios and they tune it to a certain frequency and you know they record this and then you're getting Uncle Bob, you know, coming through on the on the radio, and you know, voice impressions, and so forth. So perhaps it is possible. I don't know, but you know, a whole communication that would take the similar to what would take place in a mediumship reading, at this point I highly doubt it. I would personally would not trust it, you know, but I wouldn't rule it out, because every single time that I say, "Gee, I've never heard that before, or something comes up in a reading, and you know, somebody tells me, "Hey, this is how my dad made contact with me, you know, and gives me some sort of synchronistic, weird event, something new happens, so you know, just when I think I've heard it all, but yeah, I mean, it could be possible, um, spirit knows how to manipulate electricity. Does it take practice and focus on their behalf? It absolutely does, because they're no longer in this frequency, they're vibrating at a much higher frequency than the density of the physical plane. So, but they do and can manipulate, um lights, phones. I've had very, very.. I've had a lifetime of peculiar experience. If I even told you, Alex, but you know there's many different things that spirit is capable of doing to get their message across, you know. Do they really do they have to take training? Yeah, they have to take training to even know how to reach my mind as a medium, because there's a lowering of the frequency that has to happen to blend

Alex Ferrari 34:43
To my understanding from from my point of view is that that frequency we have to raise our frequency, so you as a medium and medium have to raise your frequency to a certain point, you're not going to go all the way to where they are, but they have to get to a certain point, and then. They have to come down to meet you halfway, or you know, something, something relevant, something like that, to be able to do this communication, because if not, it just doesn't work, because they can't come all the way back down to where you are, but that's my understanding, but then when someone, when you see spirit in a room, have they've just brought their frequency down so much that they can manifest in front of you for your eyes only. And then what happens with ghosts, with these, these, you know, these ghosts that you see sometimes.

Carole Obley 35:35
Well, full body manifestations, where I'm actually seeing, like you,

Alex Ferrari 35:35
Uncle Bob, your Uncle Bob, right?

Carole Obley 35:42
Yeah, yeah, that, that is exceedingly rare, exceedingly rare. Um, I am very honest and transparent when I, with media, with everything, and I'll tell you what's BS and what isn't. That's very rare, mainly what people are describing is the phenomena of clairvoyance. When they're seeing, now I have had experiences, particularly when I was doing - I mentioned earlier in the interview - I was doing a lot of healing work, hands on healing in a healing sanctuary. It was exceedingly imbued with very high energy, because of the spiritual healing that went on in there. One time I was lying on one of the healing beds, and I was in there by myself, and I, my eyes were open, and I see ectoplasm. For those who don't know, ectoplasm is, it's like it looks like cigarette smoke, I mean, it's, you know, it's filmy, it's, you know, gaseous material, and it was so real, and that's not the only time I've seen ectoplasm, so that sort of manifestation is certainly something that, yeah, I mean, people can see. Can it take a form? I believe it can. Yes, the times that I have seen octoplasm, they.. it has not taken form. It has just been very diffuse, and it's, you know, white smoky material. The other time I saw there's been multiple times I lived in an old house, and I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth. One evening was about 8o'clock in the evening. All of a sudden, out of the wall, out of the wall in front of me comes a huge cloud of vector class, and I took several steps backwards from the sink. What the heck? Then it diffuses and goes back into dissolves back into the wall. Now I was not terrified. This same entity had done this numerous times. I had dogs in those days, and it would manifest over top of my dogs. My dogs had beds on the floor, and it would hover around the dogs over top of them, so I mean that sort of thing, where you're visually with your physical eyes seeing spirit. It's mainly in my experience through seeing like ectoplasm. Now, can it take a form? Yes, it depends on the strength of that that intelligence that is contained within that act of blessing

Alex Ferrari 38:48
In your work, Carole. Have you ever encountered ascended masters, angels, those kind of beings with beautiful, massive lights, very strong energies that come through in a reading of some sort.

Carole Obley 39:04
Yes, not certainly not every reading, but enough that I could speak to it, particularly with the angels. I will sense them, or actually see them through clairvoyance, mainly with color. Angels have never been here in a physical form. They can take physical form. We've all heard these stories where you know I was pinned under a car and this man came up and lifted the car, and then I turned around and he was gone, or you know, I was in the hospital and a stranger came to my bedside and I asked about them, and then nobody else saw that person, so those angelic encounters can they can take physical form, but they are basically they are extensions of the creator, and each one and there. There are different phylum or classifications of angels, and they work with humanity with certain issues. For example, the big archangel archangels, Archangel Raphael, and we see him as emerald green, that's the color of the heart shock, or a heart center. He works with physical, emotional, mental healing. Archangel Michael, I said, well, sometimes see him with the large sword, because he deals with extractions, and he deals with eternal truth as put forth in natural law, Archangel Gabriel, spiritual awakening. So I will sometimes see these specific angels around an individual, and then I'll say, you know, they're working. This particular angel is working with you on this life issue, and the other one I see, interestingly, is, and I have a statue behind me of hers, Mother Mary. I will see her, and I'll tell you, Alex, when this really happens is when someone has lost a child, you know, during, uh, with someone's had a child who's died during the reading, and sometimes not, not every reading, but in some readings I will see Mother Mary there. I call her the divine mother, because I wouldn't even limit her to just Christianity,

Alex Ferrari 41:36
Right!

Carole Obley 41:37
She is the feminine face of God, she is the nurturer, and the heart is very, very prominent with her. So I see her working with the client, dealing with helping them to heal their heart from that traumatic loss of a child. But yes, they do appear. Yeah, the Ascended Man. I love Saint Germain. You know, I've got my.. I have my violet on today. Saint Germain is one of the ascended masters, deals with the energies of prophecy and healing, that's what he deals with. And the masters don't do each other's work, they do very specific work of their own.

Alex Ferrari 42:27
I've had a lot of experience with the Ascended Masters, channeled on the show, energies in the room. When I was, when I do interviews here in the studio, they are very different. They don't know, yes, the energies are different, and they do not overlap in their missions. Christ has a very different energy than Mary Magdalene, then Quan Yin, then Saint Germain, then Buddha, then Yogananda, so many other different ascended masters. They all have very specific signatures and styles that of how they approach things, so I was just curious if they came into your, into your work, so you were mentioning about, you know, where we are right now, and you mentioned the next seven years, can you give us some details, because there's a lot of fear around right now, because the world is seems to be, you know, unraveling in many ways, I think that it's a hyper alertness because of all the media, social media news, everything that we are just bombarded with this information, so it feels even worse than it probably is. Because I've always told people, like it was work, we've had worse times, we could be in ancient Rome right now, you know, there was, there was tough times before. So, what do you see, for you know, in the next, you know, handful of years, in regards to, I could just go down the line, but let's say the economy, because people are, you know, it seems like that's the inflation is out of control here in the States, the dollar is losing its power, gold is at $4,500 $500 you know, an ounce, you know, it was like 110 when I was a kid, so you know that's a signal that's saying something about the economy. What is your feeling? What do you see?

Carole Obley 44:13
I believe it will level off. This is a time of great fluctuation and polarity. Now the fiscal plane unto itself is polarity-oriented, meaning we've got extremes, you know, that doesn't exist in the higher realms of spirit, but it does exist here. I believe the key to this is modulation. Don't you know? Don't panic, that's the worst thing that we can do. This is a time, it's sort of, you know, the action of of the plutonium energy is to, is to die. It represents physical death, but it also represents metaphoric death in the old what is no longer. Are serving the survival of the consciousness must be eliminated. It must be expunged. So, what's going to happen then? Well, you know that hole has to be filled, and so it's going to take that vision within ourselves as the guardians of this wonderful planet to have a vision for how do we want to fill this, how do we want to, you know, go on from here, and so people must absolutely necessarily go within to first be anchored in a spiritual connection, you know, what I found time and time again in my own work and mediumship is people who have a spiritual anchor, I don't care if it's organized religion or it's metaphysics or like 12 step higher power people who have that anchor within have an easier time navigating through suffering, and it's the same here. We can say that on a collective level that you know finding the anchor within, whatever that is for you, but that which is based in harmony and unconditional love, and this is not flowery, man, be pampy stuff, but I mean genuine, you know, caring, the principle of care about our future and what happens, and I believe that those of us who are working in this field, you included, I mean, you're doing a lot of information and getting this out to people, are our way showers, we're not superior in any way, but we're way showers of just pointing the direction towards this, is probably the way that we want to go, so I believe we're going to level off with things. You're not going to see these, you know, this extremism that we have been in. I believe this may even shift with the next in 2028 the next in our country, the next election, and we're going to make it. The bottom line is, you know, we're going to make it, no matter what. And you know the hard truth is this, and I think a lot of people need, need to awaken the universe, or I'm saying that, like, universal intelligence or the God energy really doesn't care if human beings become extinct. It's going to continue to expand, it's going to continue to evolve. Nobody is really coming to save us. Yes, there are ascended masters. There is the Christ consciousness, all of that. You know what? No matter what you call it, to help us, but because of the reality of free will, it's up to us to choose. So I'm not trying to hedge on your question, but it really is dependent upon the choices that we make individually, first and secondly collectively the direction that we're going to go, but I guess I would say that this will eventually level out,

Alex Ferrari 48:43
So my understanding with all psychic readings in general is that when you see the future, you're seeing the potentiality of the future, you're not seeing anything hard, because there's free choice. So, if you say, "Hey, you're going to get that job in New York, well, maybe a job from LA calls all of a sudden, now you're in LA, as opposed to New York, but there was a potential there, and from my understanding, what you see is that it is more than likely this could happen, but it doesn't, it's not rock solid, it could easily shift, but this is the direction, the trajectory that we're going towards in a person's life, does that make sense to you?

Carole Obley 49:21
Yes, it does. And you know, I've studied everything from Edgar Cayce to Nostradamus. Right when Nostradamus was gazing into that pail of water, what he was seeing was if humanity stays on the trajectory that it's currently on, or if this, you know, consciousness would take over. Here's what is likely. I mean, he saw, I mean, here's a guy that was in the 1600s maybe the 1500s you know, way ahead of time, you know, naming Hitler, he got, he called him his. After he got one letter wrong, he saw the whole horrible, horrible thing called World War Two, and you know, with the Nazis, and so forth. So, could that have been prevented? Yeah, I believe what Nostradamus was seeing was, yeah, this could manifest if humanity takes this particular turn, and so anybody who's doing my type of work, to be honest and to be genuine and to be ethical, has to say, you, here's what, like, for example, with the 78 deck of the tarot, which I've been using for years and years and years, I'm self-taught in the tarot. Here's what could be a potential here. Here's what could be a possibility. I really like working with the major arcana in the tarot, because they're archetypes of human consciousness. This archetype is coming up for you right now, maybe the strength card, for example, you know, or you know that the fool, you know, our count of zero, so there's there's potentiality there, and by the way, the fool does represent pure potentiality, that's why he's our count of number zero, because within zero is everything, and it's also nothing. So, here we have this, you know, dichotomy again. But I trust my life to spirit that we are going to - we're not going to sink, we're going to swim. You know, I'm really not that much of an optimist in life, but I'm a realist, and I'm very pragmatic. But I believe that enough of us, and I mean, look at the success just in your world of your podcasts, people are hungry for this. This gives hope. You are a purveyor of hope for people, that's how important you are. And nobody can take your place in the unfolding divine plan. Nobody can take my place or anyone's place, so you know, personal responsibility is always in effect, and it really depends on how we use that, and that is going to be how we advance. So I believe that things are coming up now to really be viewed. It's extremely transparent for us to make a decision, and so there's no more, you know, trickery. Things are coming out into the openment has to be used.

Alex Ferrari 52:58
So, why is because this is a question I get asked all the time, why is this happening to us right now in this history, in history of humanity, where all of these, all the stuff that seems to have been underground has started to bubble up, and I see it in, I mean, we start seeing hints of it, I was raised Catholic, but you know, you start seeing hints of it in the Vatican, and what you know, the whole scandal of the church, and what happened there, and then you start seeing it in the food supply, and now the truth of, like, what is that cookie really made out of? Holy cow, a flamethrower is not, it's not taking it down, or a burger that sits around for 10 years and it doesn't change, that those truths did not exist when I was growing up, or when you were growing up, you know. And food was different back then, using that as an example, but pharmaceuticals, Hollywood, the medical field, education, all of those, every, every aspect of our lives, banking, all of it, it's all starting to bubble up to show us the truth. Is that why this has happened? Because we need to kind of have this kind of expelling of it to first,

Carole Obley 54:05
Again, that's the plutonium energy. I mean, that's astrology, but if we just look at, you have a patient on the operating table, that patient has a lot of cancer, the surgeon is going to operate to extract that cancer to excise it. That's where we're at. We're the patient. We collectively are the patient on the operating table, and the poison, the cancer that's going to kill the patient, has to be. It's already been x-rayed, it's been exposed. Oh, it's over here. Oh, it's in, you know, the stomach or it's in the intestines or whatever, and so that, you know, these different areas of life, so to speak, is needs to be examined and. Essentially healed, so yes, as you were saying, all these different areas, certainly the pharmaceutical and food, you know, that that is just my book. When I grew up, there was no such thing as organic, you just,

Alex Ferrari 55:22
Because everything, yeah,

Carole Obley 55:23
You went to the grocery store. Oh, here's some carrots, you put them in your car, you know, here's a head of lettuce, or whatever. Now you know, I only buy organic, I'm vegan, so I don't eat any animal products, but you know, I only buy organics, but when I was growing up, that was unheard of, and there was no GMO, you know, synthetically produced seeds. Yeah, I mean everything is almost like we need a magnifying glass now to really see what's going on here, you know, putting things under the magnifying glass, under the microscope, to really examine it,

Alex Ferrari 56:07
And that also goes into hate and injustice, and all of these other things, and polarities, and all that, because you know, growing up in the 80s, and in my generation, looking at the 80s and the 90s, I mean, living in the Cold War, that at any moment the bomb could go off, kind of environment. The political parties here in the, in the United States were, I mean, they were still right and left, and they, they were, they stood for their ground, but there was communication, there was compromise there, was cooperation. Now you can't even look at someone from the other side of the aisle, because then you're just like, oh, you're a traitor, like it's so extreme, it's been pulled so far to the left and right, and it's not just here in the States, it's in England, it's in the Europe, it's in many countries around the world, and it seems to be happening more and more from your point of view. Why do we need to have this kind of polarity that is obviously not functioning for anybody in the world, that we need to go to these extremes? Why do you think that's happening right now?

Carole Obley 57:18
Well, interestingly, you know, I have studied many years of natural law, and I also developed a workshop that I taught at Lilydale on natural law. One of the natural laws is the law of polarity, and so why would that be a natural law, meaning natural law just means immutable universal laws that are always going to supersede man-made law, you know. So, the law of polarity is we have extremes, there must be an integration of the extremes. Dreams for harmony to occur, you see, so we can't be completely over here, and we can't be completely over here. We need to meet in the middle, and so it's a teaching mechanism, just like karma, the law of karma, that's a natural law, is a teaching mechanism for human that determines the course of human behavior, the consequences of human behavior, that's what the law of polarity is, so the key to that is not being completely over here, not being completely over here, but meaning we haven't, we haven't mastered that yet. We have not come to the middle, and I think all of the great teachers talk about, you know, harmony being important.

Alex Ferrari 59:05
Yeah,

Carole Obley 59:05
You know, you're meant to do this, you're meant to do that, you can do this. Just don't get stuck in it, you know. Don't get stuck. It's like with grief. Grief is not bad. It's necessary. You're grieving the physical loss of a person or an animal, pardon me, from your life, but some people get stuck in it, and we're not meant to do that. Emotions are not bad. That's why I've gone away totally from New Age, a lot of New Age philosophy, because I felt that it was false teaching.

Alex Ferrari 59:41
Example, can you give me some examples?

Carole Obley 59:43
Yeah, anger is bad. You know, I, I'm going to explore the 29th dimension, but I haven't mastered the third, you know, people. Who I'm sorry, but I, you know, I'm very truthful in saying, and I've said this on a lot of media people who say that they're channeling the 5000 year old entity, and you know I am extremely discerning about who I, you know, listen to that. Does anything with mediumship, you can't just accept it all. And emotions are not that. Emotions are need to be felt, they need to be recognized. I believe emotions, and particularly the ego, has been demonized through New Age philosophy. The ego is not bad, it's a necessary entity. Eckert told me calls it the, you know, the pain body or the voice in the head. It's also a teaching tool, and it's necessary to navigate here on the physical plane. We have to have an ego. It's not bad, but don't get lost in it. Know that you're not your ego, you're not your body. You know, we hear all these cliches, but are we practicing that? I'll tell you this real quickly. I used to go and work out. I still work out, but it's in my basement, but I used to go to a gym, and the one, and I would use the Nautilus equipment, and you know, they had all kinds of weight machines for different muscle groups, and one wall of this room that I was in was all mirrors, yeah, and I used to watch these muscle guys come in there, and they'd be like this and like this, you know, and I would just chuckle to myself and go, they they're having a good time, they think they're their body. I didn't never said anything to them, but until we really, you know, go through the awakening process, we think that we are our personality. We think that we're our body. We think our mind, you know, we think we're all these things that we're not. So, why do we come here? Why do we come here, being Earth? We come here to find out who we are not. So, it's a paradox, right? It's a paradox. I am not that, I'm not that, I'm not my body, but the body is not bad. See, that's where I really depart. A lot of people in the new age, and a lot of false teachings have really demonized these things, and they're, they're not bad.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:39
Beautifully said, Carole. Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Carole Obley 1:02:45
My website is Soul Visions, that's Plural Visions, soulvisions.net I'm also on Facebook, Instagram, you'll see the Facebook and Instagram links on the homepage on my website, all of my books are available on Amazon, and Kindle, Barnes and Noble Collective inc.com. Yeah, and, but you will not get an autographed copy through Amazon. You can only get that on my website, my little plug for an autographed copy, because I can't beat Amazon's prices,

Alex Ferrari 1:03:24
Right! Of course not. Of course not. Is there any final message that you would like to give the audience before we leave?

Carole Obley 1:03:31
Take time every day to feel the inner body detach from out there, five minutes a day, it will change the quality, the very fabric of your life. When you become quiet, when you become still, it's not asking a lot. Five minutes a day, or five minutes in the morning, five minutes in the evening, it hasn't gone anywhere. That sacred place, that sacred anchor is right within you,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:05
Carole It has been a pleasure speaking to you today. Thank you so much for all the work you've done over these last 30 plus years. Thank you, working and helping awaken the planet. So, I appreciate you, my dear. Thank you.

Carole Obley 1:04:16
My pleasure.