Alex Ferrari 0:00
Is there a point where too much reliance on guidance weakens the self?

Karen Bell 0:05
Because the conditioned mind wants to stay small, it wants to stay safe, it wants to stay in the box, it wants to stay where things are familiar, and then the soul steps in and wants the opposite. Often our souls are calling us into uncertainty in order to get us to trust awakening as a choice point, are you choosing to move forward connected with your soul self, or are you choosing to be hypnotized by what is going on externally? Intuition is not something you develop; it's right here, right now. Your intuition is leading you, guiding you, speaking to you in this moment. The question is: Are you in the state where you can receive it?

Alex Ferrari 0:49
Where does traditional religion have a place in this new awakened populace?

Karen Bell 0:56
Well, we would like to offer the truth...

Alex Ferrari 1:08
I like to welcome to the show Karen Bell. How you doing, Karen?

Karen Bell 1:11
Hey, Alex. Thanks for having me back. So grateful to be here.

Alex Ferrari 1:14
Thank you so much for flying down from the Great White North.

Karen Bell 1:17
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:18
To come down.

Karen Bell 1:18
So white right now, but yes, warming up.

Alex Ferrari 1:23
I appreciate you coming down to Next Level Soul Studios. We've been busy.

Karen Bell 1:27
We've been so busy and having so much fun. I feel like you're my new best buddy.

Alex Ferrari 1:30
Ah, thank you so much.

Karen Bell 1:32
Had so much time together the last few days.

Alex Ferrari 1:34
Yes, it's that intensity with the productions and things that we're doing together. Yes, which we'll talk a little bit about in a bit, but yeah, it's that intensity of like you're being in the room 10 hours, 12 hours, just working with somebody. It's a filmmaking. That's what we do as filmmakers. The carnies that you're a carny now. Oh yeah, yeah. You're a carny now. So that's what happens when you go on a set. Is like you bring a group of people that you never knew, and then putting them all together, and then you go through war together, and then you have all this intensity, and you do that for a month, a week, a few days. It depends, and then you just band.

Karen Bell 2:14
But there's a bond that happens. So I was thinking this morning, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna be really sad to leave tomorrow, right?

Alex Ferrari 2:20
Right, and you see them, and you see them 10 years later. You see them 10 years later, and you're like, "Oh, dude! Like it's like I remember that time. Yeah. So there is a there's a beautiful thing about it. But we'll talk about that stuff afterwards. But you, so for people who don't know you, you've been on the show a couple times.

Karen Bell 2:34
I have. I think this is number three.

Alex Ferrari 2:35
Yes, this is the third time you've been on the show. Yes, and and tell everybody for they, if they haven't seen the other episodes, just a quick little bit about you as a channeler, as an intuitive, and and Sarai, you know who Sarai is.

Karen Bell 2:49
Yeah, well, I'm. My name is Karen Bell. Obviously, I'm a clairvoyant and a channeler, and I'm from Canada. And I've been doing I've been doing intuitive work for about 20 years. And so the way that started, if people don't know my story is that I was working as a makeup artist at that time, when I started to receive these very unusual impressions about people. I started having psychic impressions while they were sitting in my chair and I was doing their makeup, and so that's how it really started. Started really small, that got me really curious about intuition and psychic ability and spirituality and consciousness, and so I just started studying, and around that time I started giving free readings, just more as an experiment for myself. So it was just like I would put out on Kijiji at the time, you know, free readings. It was just really a test, Alex, to see if this was a thing, and it was a thing. So the path unfolded. I got really interested in mediumship. Started having mediumistic experiences, and then that led into channeling because I started studying trance mediumship, which is basically mediumship in an altered state. And then Sarai, who's one of my guides, she came through probably late 2017, 2018 in a morning meditation. I just became aware of this presence to my left-hand side, and it it just looked like a glowing orb of light at first. So I didn't really understand that this was a being. Took a little bit of time to get there, but it was very similar to the spirit world where I would start to receive these telepathic communications, and so I just started writing down what she was saying, and that's really how it started. And then it evolved into me actually vocally channeling her. That started about three years ago. So it's been a really interesting journey. Not something I planned everyone.

Alex Ferrari 4:32
Yeah, when you were five years, like you know what, I want to be a channel when I grow up.

Karen Bell 4:37
Exactly. I was like, I want to be an artist. I want to be a musician-that was my life plan, and it took a turn, and I love it. It's my greatest passion. But it's just funny how you start out doing something and you really have no clue where life is taking you. Exactly right.

Alex Ferrari 4:51
Yeah, I mean, this is not what I envisioned, but you just show up and you're guided. And you're right; it feels so. It's my. I love doing this. I really do love doing this work, but I didn't expect it.

Karen Bell 5:05
And that's the thing, and I think that's an important thing for people to realize because if people are feeling lost or that they don't really know what's happening, it doesn't mean that you're off track, right? It could just mean that you haven't fully blossomed yet. And so when I look back, I see, and I think you do too, how everything just unfolded perfectly, and there were these little breadcrumbs, you know, all the way, just leading me to this point. But at the time, sometimes I was really confused. I was like, I don't really know. I don't want this bread with this. I don't want this bread. I don't want carbs. Yeah, exactly. Where am I? Where are we going, universe? I don't really understand this, right? And so, eventually, looking back on it, you see, you were guided the entire time, and there were reasons why you met certain people and why you were placed in the certain positions or had certain experiences. You realize that looking back, but in the moment, sometimes it can be very confusing.

Alex Ferrari 5:55
Absolutely. So you have a very deep, obviously a very deep connection with Sarai.

Karen Bell 5:58
I do. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 6:00
Is there a moment in recent history where you doubted your connection with her?

Karen Bell 6:06
Well, I think in the beginning I did because again, the way that I think of our guides and even you know any being that we're connecting with, it's like you're forming a relationship, and it's the same as just forming a human relationship. Like it requires trust and it requires your actual human self, what Sir I calls your human avatar, to have enough experiences so that you start to trust. So it took some time, and when I look back on the experience of her just very gently appearing, just as a light, just as a very gentle presence, just more as a sensation. So she didn't show up like I'm a being, and this is what you're going to be doing, and you're going to be channeling me. It wasn't abrupt. It was very gentle, and so it took time to develop that trust of okay, I am. This is a real experience, and I think that when I started to see the transformation with people that I would channel for is when I started to really deeply trust, because I was like, okay, something bigger is happening here. Again, I'm not. This isn't me doing this, right? This is something so much bigger, and I mean, I'm just so grateful. But yeah, there've been definitely moments where it's. I think it's just taken time to evolve into this,

Alex Ferrari 7:21
This is a thing. I think this is a fear that most channelers have. Not all, but I think at a certain level, after a certain amount of time, this doesn't this fear doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. But do you ever like are in front of a bunch of people and all of a sudden you're like, I got a channel. I'm like, is something gonna show up? Like, is something? How does that work?

Karen Bell 7:41
Well, I've often had that before I do some sort of event. I'm like, are you gonna show up, sir? Like seriously. But I mean, I had a lot of experience leading up to channeling. I had a lot of experience giving mediumship demonstrations. So I'm so grateful that I found a spiritualist church and I was able to develop mediumship in that environment because it was a safe environment, but I had so many experiences of that exact thing. What you were saying about like God, I hope you know when I hope when I stand up in front of this group of 50 people that somebody comes through, right? Let alone I hope that it's accurate, and I had practice leading up to that, so I definitely understand what you're saying. But now I'm to the point again where I've had so many experiences. There's never been a time when she hasn't shown up, and so I have no reason to think that she's not going to show up when I need her. No, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 8:31
Is there a part of your human self that still struggles with this part of your life?

Karen Bell 8:36
Yeah, because what I've experienced, and I think many people will relate to this: is that as you go through this spiritual awakening experience, and as you start to shift and heal and grow and change internally, then a lot of external things start to shift and drop away. So relationships and things like things that are no longer a match for you start to shift, and I-I think I knew when Serai started coming through, like vocally. I mean, so I was no longer just sitting by myself in meditation, just you know, receiving guidance, and it was just for me. But when I started to be more public with it, and I started to really feel that this was my calling, there was a moment where I knew that there was a lot that was going to change, right? And and so I think that's what I struggled with, and what I still sometimes struggle with is just the like the part about okay, I have to be me. I have to be authentic and share my authentic experience. This is what I'm experiencing, that I channel this being. Not everybody gets that. Not everybody resonates with it, but that doesn't mean that you know. If I were to forego this path just for the sake of keeping everybody happy or comfortable, you know, I would just hate my life, right? So I think I'm at the point where I just have to keep stepping into it and even just facing that fear. Change or facing that fear of, you know, not belonging or whatever it is, and just let everybody have their own opinion. And you know, the fulfilling aspect is well, at least I'm at peace with myself. So,

Alex Ferrari 10:11
Is there ever a moment that Sarai said something to you that you just did not want to hear?

Karen Bell 10:17
Oh, that is such a good question. Let me think about that,

Alex Ferrari 10:21
Because she's truthful.

Karen Bell 10:23
Well, I think you know what comes to mind is as I have stepped into this, it was sort of like an explosion, Alex. Like it was sort of like I again, I feel like there was a moment where I had a choice point. Like, okay, are you gonna do this? Are you gonna not? And I really felt her her pull or her guidance, like this is really your calling. But again, I felt that hesitation of like, okay, but like that means that I'm going to be out there doing this, right? So I guess that's what comes to mind. Is just again that hesitation of okay, if if if she's really calling me to do this, and I say yes. Then what's going to happen? But thankfully, everything has been so positive. I mean, I've only been doing this for a little over three years, and I've had the most amazing opportunities. Like being here with you is an amazing opportunity. I've had other incredible opportunities, and so I kind of know that this is the right path, just because of again the incredible amount of flow that started to unfold in my life when I said yes to it.

Alex Ferrari 11:31
Yeah, and and and also just for people to know, it's like you know we've spent the last few days together, and you've channeled a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of channeling. Yeah,

Karen Bell 11:43
Probably more channeling than I've ever done in like a short period. Yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 11:48
You're not the only one. Yeah. Anjie was here. Genevieve was here. Like we have a lot of people who come and do our courses. Yeah. And when they're here, it's like it's a boot camp. Like, all right.

Karen Bell 11:57
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 11:58
You're a channeler.

Karen Bell 11:59
Let's let's see how to it. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 12:00
Let's see how you doing.

Karen Bell 12:01
There was only one night, and was it last night or the night before, where I I started to fade at the end of it. But like I I feel that was the first day, yeah, your first day, yeah. I feel like I did pretty good, but definitely towards the end of the day, I was starting to be like, and I got back to the hotel, and I was like, I am really tired right now.

Alex Ferrari 12:19
But it pushes you. It was great though.

Karen Bell 12:21
Yeah, it kind of like pushed me to see, okay, how much can I do, right?

Alex Ferrari 12:24
And you are free to leave at any time.

Karen Bell 12:26
Oh yes, yeah. He's not like locking mein the room saying.

Alex Ferrari 12:31
I chain her up. I'm like channel, channel, channel.

Karen Bell 12:34
No, it was great because, and I think I told you this, but I would not have been able to do that maybe two years ago because when she first started coming in, it was so exhausting. I would channel for an hour and then have to. I remember needing to go lie down for about three hours, so again, my body had to build up the capacity to just allow that energy broadcast to come through. So it was actually really cool to see how long I could channel while I've been here.

Alex Ferrari 12:59
Well, if there's a channeler that wants to come on. Yeah, we put them to the test here.

Karen Bell 13:03
That's right. That's right.

Alex Ferrari 13:05
And it's fascinating to watch because when we were building these courses together, our mastery courses together, we kind of put it together to get us. You know, we were sitting down organizing things, and then channel. You just channeled most of the courses.

Karen Bell 13:19
Yeah. Well, I mean, the second course we didn't even plan really, you know. The second course we were just like having lunch, and we're like, "Hey, let's let's. What do you think of maybe just doing another one? I'm like, "Yeah, that sounds good. And I mean, literally just channeled it without really.

Alex Ferrari 13:36
As you showed up the next day, and we're like, "These are. I think this is what we could talk. We like emailed a couple things.

Karen Bell 13:40
Yeah, I was in the morning. I got up early yesterday morning. I meditated. I was like, "Sarai, what do you want to talk about? She gave me a list. I email it to you, and then all of a sudden, we're like doing this. Whereas the other one, I was thinking a lot, planning, preparing. You know, trying to think of the concept for like a month before, and it was just hilarious that this just

Alex Ferrari 13:59
It went out the window.

Karen Bell 14:00
All of a sudden, and I bet that'll be like you know the one that like people are like whoa right? Because it was just when you tend to be in the flow like that, don't you find that you get the best results sometimes when you're just like

Alex Ferrari 14:12
Well you let go because you've let go of all the preconceived notions of what it is you have you you have no attachment to outcome

Karen Bell 14:17
Exactly I think that

Alex Ferrari 14:18
like we we I I don't really have an attachment outcome with this work.

Karen Bell 14:22
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 14:23
I just put it out there and and see what happens. So I think you and I, when we were creating this stuff together, it was just kind of like, hey, let's yeah, let's just put this together and see what happens.

Karen Bell 14:32
Yeah. And I think that's a good point. It's like, well, let's just try it and see what happens. And I think that's good for everyone to hear too. Is like, you know, you can just try something, right? And if it doesn't work, it's not live. Yeah, not live. There's not a million people watching. At least you try it, right? So I'm so glad that we did that and we followed that call.

Alex Ferrari 14:50
So yeah, we have the two mastery courses that we did together. Is one about finding your soul's blueprint, and the other one's about tapping into your intuition. Yeah. So to talk about intuition for a second. Has there ever been a time when following your intuition led you somewhere painful or confusing? Because we always look at like oh the gut instincts trying to protect you and and these instincts are all about that, but they might be guiding you in a painful path because that's the path you need to be on. So yeah, but your experience.

Karen Bell 15:18
Well, I mean, one that I have a few stories about that, but one that really-I mean-the first experience, a really strong experience of intuition, happened when I was working as a makeup artist, and I loved my job. I really had no reason to leave. I thought I'd be doing that forever, but I started to have this subtle feeling in the background that it wasn't a fit for me, and I was so confused because I was like, but I like this and this fits me and it fits my personality and it's what I always envision myself doing. So why would I leave it? And then my soul was over here saying, yeah, but it's time to go. But it wasn't giving me the why. wasn't saying like why you need to go. It was just a feeling like okay, I needed to leave. So I did what we all do. I ignored it, as you do, I was just like, "Yeah, I'm just gonna ignore this feeling because it doesn't make sense. I'm confused, so I ignored it. But what happened was my body started speaking to me, so I started getting sick and I started losing weight, and I just was like having this response, so much so that I had to to take time off work. I had to just stop and just go on a bit of a leave so I could address my health, and thankfully, when I did that and I had some quiet time by myself, I was like, "Oh, that really was my intuition. Because I all of a sudden, when I was away, I just felt better and I felt I don't know, I felt more expansive. So when I finally decided that I was going to follow that voice, it was really interesting because all of those physical symptoms disappeared, and my health came back, and I was fine. But it was really confusing because it didn't make sense. And to be honest, it didn't-it didn't really make sense until a few years later. It wasn't like okay, I made the decision and then it all made sense again. It was like, but I look back now and I think, well, I needed to to leave that job to have a quieter environment, so I could start to study what I'm doing now. And if I hadn't left that sort of busy environment, which you know there was a lot of activity and a lot of external stimulation all the time, so there was less focus on inner state. So if I hadn't left that, then I probably wouldn't be doing what I do now.

Alex Ferrari 17:22
Was there an emotional cost to becoming who you are now?

Karen Bell 17:27
An emotional cost

Alex Ferrari 17:28
Because you you followed your your bliss.

Karen Bell 17:31
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 17:32
It wasn't an easy path.

Karen Bell 17:33
It was really hard.

Alex Ferrari 17:34
I mean, you're a channeler for God's sakes. This is not something that's like doctor, lawyer, channeler. Like it's not a path that most people take. Yeah. So I have to imagine there's some challenges there. So what emotional cost or cost in general that this going down your authentic path, your soul blueprints, yeah, your your soul's purpose's path. Yeah. Because not everyone agrees with it in your in your world.

Karen Bell 17:57
Yeah. Well, definitely. I mean, definitely. Yeah. There's all sorts of things. I mean, I think of there was a lot of fear that came up because again, and this is really interesting, and this isn't unique to me, but often our souls are calling us into uncertainty in order to get us to trust. And so I've always thought that one of my main like life lessons is trust. And so again, that idea. Oh, okay, just leave this job where you get a secure paycheck and you have the vacation, and you know, blah blah blah. You know, that was confusing, but then it also invoked fear because it's like, well, I don't know what I'm doing really, and I didn't know for many years how the path was going to unfold. I never, at that time, I was giving intuitive readings, but I never felt called to do that full time. I actually didn't feel called to do that full time until just a few years ago. It was just like, you know, that just wasn't my calling. It felt more like I was supposed to be studying and learning and developing, but not really, you know, jumping into it. So there was a lot of fear of uncertainty, and I still sometimes feel that because I still sometimes feel like this path is expanding, but I don't exactly know where she's guiding me. I mean, I have a lot more trust now in Sarai and in my intuition. But yeah, fear of uncertainty, and then that sense sometimes, you know, I've lost friends definitely that don't understand what I do, right? Or don't agree. Yeah, or don't agree. They don't get it, or think it's a little bit outside the box, which it is, you know. But some people just don't resonate with that. But thankfully, Alex, you know, when I've had people that don't resonate and leave my life, I've been so so blessed to discover that people are drawn in that are the complete opposite, that completely love it, get it, support me, love me, love Sarai, and I think I've had more of an influx of that than I have the letting go. But that's not to say that the letting go wasn't hard, right? So sometimes there's a cost to being your authentic self.

Alex Ferrari 20:00
Oh, there's definitely

Karen Bell 20:00
Right? And so you have to find courage within you to just ask yourself, how important is this? Like to me, it was really important, and it still is, for me to just be me, because I have to live with me, right? So if I don't feel like I'm being truthful or honest or authentic, then you know I'm not going to be happy in my day-to-day life, so that's always been important to me.

Alex Ferrari 20:23
Well, in following your path and following your your soul's purpose, is there something unexpected that you had to let go of that you didn't even think about?

Karen Bell 20:32
Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, something unexpected that I had to let go of. Well, there have been a lot of things. I mean, I think I've had to let go of my attachment to certain outcomes because, again, there was a part of me in my 20s that I did. I did really want just a simple life and not a lot of attention, and just you know, I just wanted to work, go to work, and come home and have dogs and right now. Yeah, so I guess my my what I've had to let go of is just this this vision of what I thought my life would be, but the thing is, like what I'm doing now, I could never have envisioned. And so sometimes when people are thinking about you know, well, I don't know what my what my dream is or my purpose is. Well, sometimes that's because from where you are in this moment, it wouldn't be possible for you to understand or envision where you're going. So I've had to let go of attachment outcomes. I guess it's a long-winded way of saying that.

Alex Ferrari 21:38
So let me ask you because I mean we're talking a lot about our soul's purpose. Yeah, following your intuition. I wish that a lot of the leaders around the world would follow the same passion.

Karen Bell 21:50
Oh man, wouldn't that be

Alex Ferrari 21:52
Listening to their inner higher self?

Karen Bell 21:54
Yeah, it'd be a different planet.

Alex Ferrari 21:57
It'd be different, but we'll get there eventually. Yes. But what is what is your take? What has Sarai said about? And I'll ask her when she comes on. Yeah. But like, what's your feeling about where we're going? Because there's so much fear. Yeah, there's so much fear, and there's a lot of chaos going on, and there's more chaos happening on a daily basis.

Karen Bell 22:15
I know. It just seems like it's just avalanching, doesn't it? Like snowballing. Yeah. Well, I can only relate it relate that collective journey of what we're all going through to like my individual journey, and and what I would say is that when I look back at some of the most chaotic or difficult times, although I hated it in the moment and would have wanted to be out of it, it were it was those moments that actually led to my awakening experience and led me into what I'm doing now. So, for example, I had a really difficult time in you know, 2017, 2018, and that's what got me started meditating every single day. Like that's when I committed to meditation. So, in terms of where we're going, well, I'm not sure, but this amplification of chaos, I feel like maybe there's purpose in it, and maybe that's the reason. It's like to get people to wake up because sometimes we don't wake up until things get really hard, and we have to search somewhere for that those answers, right? And for me, that was searching inside myself for asking those huge questions, like who am I, and why the heck am I on this planet, right? So I think some of the chaos is inviting us to ask those questions.

Alex Ferrari 23:24
Yeah, it's it's you know we get dropped into this video game and it's a very

Karen Bell 23:29
Yes

Alex Ferrari 23:29
Chaotic scenario.

Karen Bell 23:30
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 23:31
And we're just trying to figure ourselves out.

Karen Bell 23:33
Yes, exactly.

Alex Ferrari 23:34
Figure our part in it,

Karen Bell 23:35
And it takes time. It doesn't always happen overnight.

Alex Ferrari 23:38
So we you've mentioned awakening a few times, is there something? Is awakening something you choose, or something that happens to us?

Karen Bell 23:47
Ooh, another good question. For me, it was something that happened to me, and then once it happens to you, then I think it's a day-to-day choice, right? Because there's the experience of awakening. I had, I've had a few different experiences that were not something that I chose, but just sort of happened in my life. I had my first mystical experience when I was 19, when I separated from my body and realized, you know, that my consciousness or my spirit was separate from my body. That just happened. I didn't choose that, but I mean that's the seed, so that's the seed that then continually it's like, well, what are you going to do with that information, or what are you going to do with that experience? Are you going to ignore that that happened and just go back to your day to day life, or are you going to actually take that in and ask yourself what that means? So I think it's a combination of those two things.

Alex Ferrari 24:37
You you were mentioning you know awakening and alignment, but alignment is actually a word that's kind of misunderstood a little bit. Are people misinterpreting alignment as for comfort?

Karen Bell 24:50
Ooh, yeah, some are. Yeah, I mean, it's that difference. Here's the thing: I think our soul, as I said, I really think our because our soul is here for. Expansion and evolution-that part of that is leading you into a zone that is not comfortable, so outside of your comfort zone, basically. And so I think that can be a little bit confusing because it's like, okay, your intuition gives you an idea that feels uncomfortable. That doesn't mean that you're not supposed to do that, right? So it can be really confusing. I think we just need to get out of our heads and just feel the energy in our bodies when it comes to that question, because it's like alignment is something that you feel. It's not something so much that you think about. It's like when someone is is moving forward towards their passion and feeling what their passion is. Well, then they feel that that alignment inside themselves, right? But that doesn't mean that you're not going to be led somewhere that's not comfortable, and that you're not going to feel that discomfort sometimes.

Alex Ferrari 25:53
And I think that's what's happening to all of us. Yeah, we're going into a space of of discomfort. Discomfort.

Karen Bell 25:59
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 26:00
Completely, and that's the only time you really move in life.

Karen Bell 26:02
Exactly. I mean, if everything were comfortable, then you don't have to do anything, right? You don't have to expand. You don't have to ask those questions. So, and I, I think I was joking with you this week because I was saying that, like, okay, your soul moves you into that that zone that's uncomfortable, and so you you follow the call and you do the thing and you face the fear and you dissolve it and then it's almost like the soul is just playing a funny game and then the the zone just expands some more and then you're called to move into it again. So it's almost no never ending this this experience of expansion on the spiritual journey. But I mean, when you really ask yourself what's happening in those moments of expansion, it's usually you're being caught, you're being asked to look at some sort of limiting belief or something inside yourself that is maybe creating that fear or that discomfort, and then you have to dissolve that, and that's when your soul can express itself through you more fully.

Alex Ferrari 26:58
Beautifully. Now I have to ask you because we talked a little bit about intuition. Intuition, can someone be be deeply intuitive but yet deeply unconscious?

Karen Bell 27:09
Ooh, deeply intuitive and deeply unconscious.

Alex Ferrari 27:11
In other words, they listen to the their gut, but they are completely in on the 3d world.

Karen Bell 27:17
Right. Well, I mean that that raises the question of like instinct versus intuition, because I think those two are two different things. But I mean, yeah, I think someone. I think there are people that can not be spiritually awakened and and not have a sense of who they truly are, but just have a good sense of their inner compass and just move forward in that way. I mean, sometimes we see that I think in the world through people that you'd least expect like having a lot of success or a lot, right? And you're like, hmm, like why is that person? Maybe they don't have the best values or whatever it is in the world. Oh, but that part, right? But that but that person seems to be following some sort of inner guidance that's creating, you know.

Alex Ferrari 27:59
Oh, there's a lot of billionaires in the world that that created something out of nothing.

Karen Bell 28:03
Yeah, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 28:04
And they're not particularly maybe the nicest people. Their companies.

Karen Bell 28:07
That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Alex Ferrari 28:09
But something guided them in that.

Karen Bell 28:10
Exactly.

Alex Ferrari 28:11
So they're playing a part.

Karen Bell 28:12
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 28:12
In this play.

Karen Bell 28:13
Exactly.

Alex Ferrari 28:14
But without them.

Karen Bell 28:15
Without them really recognizing that they are. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 28:18
It's yeah. It's it's kind of fascinating.

Karen Bell 28:21
It's totally fascinating, yeah, and it's something to learn from too. I think.

Alex Ferrari 28:25
Yeah, I mean, even like you look you look at history and you like, obviously some dictators, yeah, in in in hit throughout history,

Karen Bell 28:33
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 28:33
You know, someone was guiding Alexander the Great,

Karen Bell 28:35
Right, right,

Alex Ferrari 28:37
You know, to do what he did and and and Genghis Khan and stuff like, so they were completely, I'd say, disconnected from

Karen Bell 28:45
Right

Alex Ferrari 28:45
Higher consciousness.

Karen Bell 28:46
Right, right, right.

Alex Ferrari 28:47
But man, were they

Karen Bell 28:49
Yeah

Alex Ferrari 28:49
Driven.

Karen Bell 28:50
Yeah, it's true. I mean, it's it's an interesting exploration for sure.

Alex Ferrari 28:54
It's a deeper a deeper philosophical conversation.

Karen Bell 28:57
It is something to ponder. It's when I'm on the plane tomorrow. I'll be like,

Alex Ferrari 29:04
I would love to bring Sarai in. I would have all sorts of questions to ask her about the world and all sorts of different things. So, can you explain to people how you do it, what you do, what's your process,

Karen Bell 29:15
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 29:16
And what they could expect when they come in? Because you have this emotional support crystal,

Karen Bell 29:20
Emotional support crystal, my two tools here, everyone. Emotional support crystal and my essential oil. So yeah, so yeah. When I channel straw, I actually do use essential oils, and the way that I I use them is it's sort of something I I do every morning when I meditate and I'm practicing my connection with straw. I use that scent as an anchor. It helps my body memorize that altered state, and then when I'm, you know, channeling for other people, I use the same oil, and it just helps my body understand that this is what we're doing now. We're shifting our state, so I do channel in an altered state of consciousness. All that means is my brainwave state is slowing down, and when Sarai comes in, I mean, you've experienced it. This week, she tends to offer a message, but it's really experiential. It's almost like a meditation most of the time. So she guides people into the experience of their true self, not as a concept, but as an actual somatic experience and as a state. So I invite everyone to actually participate. Right? If she's asking you to close your eyes or breathe deeply, and you want to follow along. Then I would invite you to do that, and then just notice what you experience.

Alex Ferrari 30:26
Yeah, this is almost a transmission.

Karen Bell 30:27
Exactly. Yeah, and you do feel the energy coming in, and and you can feel the shift.

Alex Ferrari 30:34
Oh, and I've definitely felt some energy this week. Yeah, with Sarai, and she's a very lovely, lovely energy that comes through, and she hasn't knocked me on my butt yet.

Karen Bell 30:45
No, she's very loving. She's a very motherly presence, right? And she can be funny. I don't know that she's like brought. She has not been any humor. She hasn't, and that actually surprises me with you of all people that she hasn't brought through any humor yet.

Alex Ferrari 30:57
But well, we also have not spoken.

Karen Bell 30:59
Yeah, that's right.

Alex Ferrari 31:00
We haven't had a conversation.

Karen Bell 31:02
That's right. You've just been filming her.

Alex Ferrari 31:03
I've been filming her, but I have not been having a conversation. This will be the first

Karen Bell 31:07
Right

Alex Ferrari 31:08
Conversation we've had in this in journey. So now you've said it, and now she's going to come in with see what happened. You're going to channel Don Rickles now. Yeah, yeah. All of a sudden,

Karen Bell 31:15
She's going to be like, "Oh, I need a joke now. I need to say something funny.

Alex Ferrari 31:20
All right, so let's bring her in.

Karen Bell 31:21
Okay, I'll just take a moment.

Alex Ferrari 31:23
Hey guys, I really hope you're enjoying this conversation. And the one thing I've noticed recently is that most of you are not subscribed to our YouTube channel. It's free, and it really helps us out a lot. So if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe, like, and share this content so we can continue to help elevate the consciousness of the planet. Thank you so much, and let's get back to the conversation.

Karen Bell 31:44
And so we've very much been looking forward to this interaction, and we appreciate your participation with this interaction. And to begin with, on this day, in this moment, we'd like to ask each and every one of you to take a very deep breath with us. Hold that. that breath at the top, and then as you exhale, deeply relax your physicality. Focus all of your energy and attention on deep relaxation, noticing where there is tension in your physicality, and creating very deep relaxation. Continue to breathe very fully. Another deep breath. As you exhale, relax and start to draw your energy, awareness, attention towards yourself in this moment. So as we are speaking, you are listening to this voice, and at the same time, you are drawing your attention inwards, starting to become aware of yourself, of your body, of your energy body, your mental body, and where we'd like to begin is we'd like to offer you this idea that your human avatar self is very much like a computer. We use this analogy often. Your human avatar self is very much like a computer in which your physical body is the hardware, and your mind is the software, and you are the one sitting at that computer. In other words, you are the witness, the watcher, the observer. And so, in this moment, see if you can center yourselves as the witness. You are an emanation of Source. You are pure consciousness itself. You are a being of light. In this moment, we ask you to remember on a very deep level who it is that you are. Feel yourselves as vibration. You are more non-physical than you are physical. So become aware of your physicality, your physical body, and do a very gentle scan from head to toe. Just noticing what you are experiencing physically, what sensations are arising in your physicality, and then draw your awareness to the software, meaning your mental body, your mental construct, what thought forms are present in your mind in this moment, if any. And as you're witnessing those thought forms, just be aware-it's as if you are looking on that computer screen and you're watching that thought form stream by as a word or a sentence. Don't get pulled into it. Just witness it. It's a unit of energy. And then become aware of the frequency of that thought form. Feel into the energetic emanation of that thought form. Every thought form carries a frequency. So begin to use your feeling sense, your emotional body to feel into that frequency of that thought form. So here you are, the witnessing consciousness, witnessing the physical body, the mental body, and the emotional body. This is your human avatar. It is not your identity. It is the vehicle, the vessel. That you, the soul, expresses through, but it is not your identity. This energetic emanation, this essence that you feel in this moment, as you draw your awareness towards your breath, as you draw your awareness to the present moment, use that present moment as an access point, as an access point to this true identity self, this soul self. Again, it's a vibration. It's an essence. It's non-physical, and be aware that this essence of who you are is very much like a sun ray. You are an emanation of source. So just as you could trace the sun ray backwards and find the source, which is the sun, begin to begin now to trace this emanation of light that you are, and feel into the source of this ray that you are. This ray of light, you are source energy expressing through and as this physicality, as this human form in this moment, source energy loves to express itself in form, and so just feel a sense of gratitude and appreciation that you get to be the expression that is you, which is completely unique, completely one of a kind, and therefore completely precious. Feel into your value as this one of a kind, unique emanation of source energy, as unique as a snowflake. No one else quite like you. Just feel into your preciousness, and then take a very deep breath, and have the sense of how loved and appreciated you are. In this moment, that love and appreciation fills the room, whether or not you are aware of it or not. It fills the room.

Karen Bell 36:58
It's a vibration, again, of love and appreciation for who you are, and begin to direct that love and appreciation towards this human avatar. So the body, the mind, the personality, the life story that is you holding, the sense of gratitude and appreciation that you get to be here at this point in time, you get to express itself. You get to be a point of light, a point of awareness, a point of consciousness, holding that sense of gratitude and appreciation in your heart center. And so, with all that in mind, how may we serve you on this day? What questions do you have for us?

Alex Ferrari 37:42
Yes, Sirrai, thank you for being here. What is your take on what is happening right now? The chaos that is happening in the world.

Karen Bell 37:50
Well, we would say that the chaos that is unfolding is perfect, even if your minds disagree or even if your minds do not understand. We would say underneath the chaos there is order, and just as Karen was speaking earlier about her personal experience, what's true is that oftentimes it requires chaos in order for each and every one of you to wake up. So collectively, what is occurring right now is a wake up call, a wake up call, and so once again, moving back to the conversation that you had earlier about whether awakening is a choice or it just happens naturally. Well, the answer, at least in our perspective, is both. But as this chaos unfolds, it's giving you a choice as to what you pay attention to, where you place your attention, and what's true for most is that the chaos is going to become so intense, and for some it already is so intense that they have no choice but to take their attention off the external because it's too disturbing, and start to focus inward, start to focus internally, and this is where the answers are. When you start to focus on an inner level, asking those questions: Who am I? For what purpose was I born? Why am I here? This, these are the questions that lead to transformation, both individually and collectively. So we would say, although it's very difficult for some of you to hear this, we would say nothing has gone wrong, everything is on track. We would say this is a call to draw your attention towards yourself and really do some soul searching, and again awakening as a choice point. Are you choosing to move forward connected with your soul self, or are you choosing to be hypnotized by what is going on externally.

Alex Ferrari 39:45
Where do you see the wars that are going into right now around the world? Where do you see them going in the next year or two?

Karen Bell 39:54
Our sense is there may be, and it is likely that there will be an amplification because. Because again, it feels to us like it needs to get worse before it gets better, and so for many beings, what they are being called to do is hold their higher frequency. Those that are listening to this broadcast may find this a little bit difficult, but you would understand that the frequency of war, or the we should say the manifestation of war, arises from a very specific frequency. So we're just leading into some advice in terms of the amplification of the chaos. If you are experiencing an amplification of that chaos, then what we are suggesting you do is to understand energy and vibration, and in some sense, you need to remember that the light workers that are here are here to hold a higher frequency, and so they must start to acknowledge that lower frequency that is creating war, and then very gently start to draw their awareness towards an energy or a vibration that would be of service to the collective. Understandably, the most impactful or important energy or frequency that would be of service at this time is the energy of peace. But you need to feel that peace as a very real state of being in your own mind and body before you can emanate that outward. So we would say be at peace, no matter what the external world is doing in terms of chaos, and remember your your purpose here as your purpose here to be a frequency holder, and see if you can retain your energy and attention on that vibration of peace within your heart center.

Alex Ferrari 41:40
Where do you see the the economy going?

Karen Bell 41:44
We see the economy shifting and changing and transforming. That is what we see, and we really hesitate to speak certain words or give a projection about this because you'd understand that we would never ever want to invite or invoke an energy of fear. Yes, and we are not saying that what we would say would invite fear, but we would say it's a tender topic. And here's what we would say about that: for many, if not most, of you, you equate safety with money, and that is really the problem, because if your safety is dependent on something externally, you will never never feel safe. What if your safety were to arise from your anchor with who it is you are on the deepest level, your anchor to source energy, and your creation and deliberate cultivation of beliefs that invite and invoke safety in your body. I am always safe. I am guided. I'm guarded. I'm protected. Feeling into the essence of who you are as this non-physical being that can't be harmed. We understand this is difficult for some. That's why we are smiling. But what we are saying is very impactful if you really get it. You cannot depend on something outside of yourself. And again, this speaks to all the chaos that's happening. If you cannot depend on the external world for a sense of safety or security or stability, then where are you going to source it from?

Alex Ferrari 43:11
With all the awakening that is happening, and the humanity's consciousness that is evolving so rapidly right now, and so many people are starting to ask questions, where does traditional religion have a place in this new awakened populace that is coming? Because it's going away from, from what I see, it's going away from the old religions and dogmas and things like that, and opening themselves to new ideas and also exploration within themselves. Yes, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Karen Bell 43:42
Well, we would say the main benefit that we see with organized religion is the sense of community, and again, we would focus on the positive aspects of anything that you bring to our attention. But we would really say, and we would recommend that any being exploring spirituality or religion really starts to to draw their attention inwards as they are exploring these topics and really get a sense of what is resonating with them. Meaning, does this idea, this belief system, feel resonant or does it feel dissonant? And for some, organized religion or traditional religion still feels resonant, and that idea of community really is the resonation point, meaning that is the benefit for that being. So we would never talk anyone out of something that resonates, but we would say it's only you that can decide, and we would also say just to point out that with organized religion, oftentimes there's a pressure around it because let's say, well, my entire family practices this, so there's a pressure for me to practice that also. We would say be aware in those situations whether you really feel resonant with that belief system. Or that religion, or whether you're just following, in a sense, just following, not necessarily blindly, but just following, just to keep the peace, or just to be part of the community or the family that you are used to.

Alex Ferrari 45:14
Now, what is something that humanity is getting completely wrong about awakening right now?

Karen Bell 45:21
That is somewhere in the future.

Alex Ferrari 45:24
Interesting. Can you elaborate?

Karen Bell 45:26
We would say awakening is always right here, right now. So again, going back to your beautiful question: Is awakening a choice, or does awakening happen? We would say once you've had an experience of awakening, which is more of something that does happen to you, then again, awakening is a choice that you make in this present moment. As I'm going about my day, as I'm moving forward into all of my experiences, my relationships, my circumstances, my environments, am I going to move into those environments and those relation relationships with deliberate choice, with the deliberate awareness of who and what I am, because your conditioned mind is always going to be there and be present. So you're always going to have these two aspects active within you: the condition conditioned mind and the higher self. And so that offers a choice: Am I going to fall back into my habitual way of reacting and interacting, or I'm, or am I going to choose a more awakened way of being? But understand that is happening right now, today, in this moment. You have these choice points. It's not that I'm going to awaken at some point in the future. It's now.

Alex Ferrari 46:41
Now, what are people misunderstanding about intuition at a deeper level?

Karen Bell 46:45
What are people misunderstanding about intuition at a deeper level? Well, we would say again, people think that intuition is some mystical ability that they have to develop, or that only a few people have, we would say that's not the case at all. Intuition is a natural ability; it's a vibrational ability. You're all vibrational. Intuition is your ability to pick up on vibration from different sources, from your higher self, source energy, your non-physical guides, guardians, your energy field, your future self. These are all sources of intuition, and they are available to all of you. And we would echo what Karen said in terms of intuition is not something you develop; it's right here, right now. Your intuition is leading you, guiding you, speaking to you in this moment. The question is: Are you in the state where you can receive it, and if not, then what is required of you is to very gently and easily shift your state. Shift your state. That's the missing key. It's not that you have to go quote unquote developing it or learning more or even reading a book. Is that you must learn how to shift your physio physiology, your physiology, so that intuition can flow in.

Alex Ferrari 48:06
Is there a point where too much reliance on guidance weakens the self?

Karen Bell 48:11
Which self are you speaking about?

Alex Ferrari 48:13
The self, the self in this incarnation.

Karen Bell 48:17
So the avatar self.

Alex Ferrari 48:18
Yes.

Karen Bell 48:20
Well, that would be a good thing. So we would say yes. So when intuition comes in, oftentimes the experience is that it conflicts with the conditioned mind, because the conditioned mind wants to stay small, it wants to stay safe, it wants to stay in the box, it wants to stay where things are familiar, and then the soul steps in and wants the opposite. The soul wants expansion, evolution, authenticity. So when the intuition comes in and begins to weaken that conditioned self, that is actually a good thing. It's not that the conditioned self is ever going to to go away, but it comes more translucent and more transparent. So the energetic frequency of the soul self can shine through that human avatar without any distortion and without any limitation.

Alex Ferrari 49:12
What is the next stage of human consciousness that people aren't talking about yet?

Karen Bell 49:18
The next stage of human consciousness that people aren't talking about. Well, we would say, are people even talking about the evolution of human consciousness?

Alex Ferrari 49:26
A few of us are.

Karen Bell 49:30
A few. We would say, overall, it's not a common party topic. It's not a a conversation that many people want to have because, again, there are a lot of beings who feel more comfortable staying safe, staying small. Again, there's nothing wrong with that. So we are not bringing through any criticism or judgment. It's just the state of the collective. The state of the collective. Very much, it's like there's labor pains right now. So there's difficulty, and some are all in. Some are willing to move forward. And and step into it, and some are still very afraid, and so we are not exactly sure how to answer that question. We would just say that be courageous, be bold to those that are listening, that are willing to have the conversation. We'd say have the conversation and speak to others about it, but most importantly, live your authentic, bold life in accordance with your higher self. That speaks more than the conversations do. That speaks more more than words do.

Alex Ferrari 50:32
Is that why there is? I I feel and I love to hear your thoughts that humanity is avoiding unconsciously some of these timelines that are a little bit more evolved because they want to stay safe and small because they're afraid of the unknown.

Karen Bell 50:47
We would agree with that. We would say again, keep in mind you're always either under the influence of your conditioned mind or your higher self, and we would say it's easier to stay under the influence of your conditioned mind because it's more familiar, so it's comfortable. Doesn't mean it's fulfilling. It doesn't mean it's authentic, but it's comfortable, and your human avatar self favors that comfort because familiarity equals safety. If I've made it this far, if I've made it this far, and I'm still alive, then I better just keep doing what I'm doing

Alex Ferrari 51:22
Is that kind of like what it's like to be in a a bad relationship, but you've just been in it so long that you're just comfortable in it, and it's more scary to leave it than it is to stay in it.

Karen Bell 51:32
Exactly. Yes. So many people have experiences in a relationship or even a job situation where they know that it is not a fit. They know it feels like a puzzle piece that they're trying to jam in that doesn't quite fit that that that hole that they're trying to push the puzzle into. They know that they feel it in every cell of their being that this isn't a fit for me. So why don't they make a change? This is a very very common experience, and the answer is because in that moment and in that situation, the conditioned mind is at the driver's seat. It's not the soul, and again, nothing has gone wrong because what we would say to you is that you all incarnate for a variety of different experiences. So some of you incarnate and have experiences where the conditioned mind is completely in the driver's seat, the entire incarnation. That's an exploration of frequency. That's exploring what it's like to live in that state of that conditioned mind. But we would say for those of you listening, what's likely true is that you want a different experience. You've been there, done that, for lack of a better term. You know what that's like, and so now you're curious. What would it be like to connect in with my authentic self, and invite and invoke more of that to express and make my decisions? What would it be like to follow that? Now that takes a lot of courage. That often, if not always, invites you into the unknown. Again, your avatar does not like the unknown. It's a threat, and so it's a choice point that you make. Am I going to follow the call? And we would say it's also a muscle that you you practice strengthening, because in Karen's life, what she has found is that the more she follows that call, even in the face of uncertainty and fear, and she notices, well, everything actually works out better than I could have planned. Well, then that's like strengthening that muscle, and then the next time it becomes a little bit easier.

Alex Ferrari 53:33
What advice do you have for somebody who is lost right now and feels lost not only because of the chaos that is surrounding them, but the belief in the chaos that is surrounding them, but also just lost. Like, why am I here? What is my purpose? Finding that soul purpose, finding that soul blueprint. What advice do you have for them?

Karen Bell 53:51
Well, we would say always, always the first step when you are experiencing that is to start to draw your energy and awareness inwards. So when people say they feel lost, what's often true is that they are looking outside for the answers. They are looking to the external world. They think there's some action they need to take. They think there's something they need to do, and they haven't found that yet, and they are lost. We would say primarily what you want to do is start to draw your energy and awareness inwards, so you can reconnect with the essence of your true identity, the feeling tone, the vibration. Again, not as a concept, but as an actual felt experience in your body, in your energy body. So you're having the sensation that who I am is more than my physicality. I actually feel that vibration, and then quiet the mind because the mind tends to ruminate, so the mind will take that thought form. I'm lost, so in this moment, really see that as a thought form, not an absolute truth. Is it absolutely true that you're lost? Do you know that for sure? Yeah. Or could that just be a thought form on repeat in the mind? Because the mind, the condition. And we'll take that and run with it, and all of a sudden you're ruminating on that. You're finding all the reasons why you're lost, all the reasons that you made the wrong choices in the past, and all of a sudden there's this mental rumination that completely takes you out of connection with this energy, this essence of your true self. So reconnect with your essence, slow or stop the mind, and then question those thought forms. Is it actually true that I'm lost? It looks like I'm right here, actually. Am I really lost? Now we under we're joking with you because we understand what is meant by that, but we were saying that there's a lot of thought forms that the conditioned mind runs with that aren't necessarily true. The answer is always finding the essence of your true self and shifting your state into connection with your true self, so that the actions you take from that point are in alignment and are expansive and open. And we would say, when you're in that state, if there is an action that is required of you. You will know it, and you will take it, and you will move forward with it. Doesn't always mean that it is comfortable, but you will feel that impulse, and you will move forward. But again, if you move forward or if you take action too soon, when you haven't shifted your vibration or you haven't shifted your state, then you're just going to be on a hamster wheel, and you're going to feel lost and lost and lost. It would be like if you're in a maze and you keep going down different paths to have these dead ends. That's what it's like when you take action before resolving the energy first.

Alex Ferrari 56:35
What is the illusion that we must wake up from?

Karen Bell 56:39
That you are separate.

Alex Ferrari 56:41
Can you elaborate a little bit?

Karen Bell 56:43
None of you are separate. You are all interconnected with the web of life. You are interconnected with each other. You are interconnected with Source. There is no separation in this moment. Really feel that some of you may wish to close your eyes and really feel the truth. Now, feel for the truth. We're not offering you words; we're offering you a broadcast, and a divine truth that there is no separation. So, right here, right now, you are interconnected with every other being, every grain of sand, every animal, every tree, every star, every planet, the entire universe. There's an interconnection. There's a quantum field that interconnects each and every one of you. And so, what you do affects the entirety of this web. And we feel that if you truly understood that at a very deep level, that it's likely some of you would make very different choices.

Alex Ferrari 57:43
What is the real purpose of this human experience?

Karen Bell 57:46
Joy, fun. But we've shared our 3e with you before. We'll share them again, and so we like to say that the the purpose of life is experience, expression, and evolution, and so number one, the experience of just being here, just being alive, just being human, in the same way that you go to a movie theater and watch an incredible storyline and you witness all the characters and you see all of the sets and all of the colors, and you lose yourself in that story. Well, that's what's happening here. You love whether you believe us or not. You actually love the experience of this storyline. You love the experience of being human. It's exciting. It's fun. What's going to happen next? And so that's the first e experience. The second is expression. You're here to express your unique soul frequency through and as the human construct through and as your human avatar. First, you must discover what that is, feel who you are beyond form, feel that authentic vibration, and learn how to express it through and as you. And then the third is evolution, which is what occurs naturally as you follow those first 2e's as you have your human experience, as you express your soul frequency, you very naturally expand and evolve.

Alex Ferrari 59:05
If humanity could feel one thing collectively, that would shift everything. What would it be?

Karen Bell 59:10
Well, that's an easy one. It would be love. So, if you could feel love, and we'll lead you through an exercise in this moment, each and every one of you listening, if you draw into your awareness a being that you love deeply. See or sense them in your mind's eye. Now choose someone that is easy to love. Don't choose someone that you love but you've had difficulty with. Choose someone that's easy to love. It could also be a pet, an animal, and just bring them into your mind's eye and focus on them in this moment. Just feel that love for them, they could also be in the spirit world. Just feel that love for them and feel the love they have for you. Focus all of your energy and attention on your heart center as you do this, and feel that love expanding. Feel the vibration and the frequency of love. What does love? Feel like is the question. It's not a thought form. It's a vibration. It's right here, right now. What does love feel like as a sensation, an experience, and most of all, a state of being? As you bring all of that love into your awareness and into your body as a state, then just drop the focus on the being and focus on the energy, the frequency. Now, if you could anchor that energy, that frequency, and not necessarily need an excuse of a being to focus it towards, but just anchoring that as a state, and you walk through the world in this way, well, that would be a it would be a very different planet. Let's put it that way. So that feeling tone of love is a very real vibration, and you would understand that many beings who have what you call a near death experience-that's the first thing that they experience as they cross, because all of the limitation that is has to do with the human construct. It's not that that love frequency isn't right here, right now. It's that there are so many limitations in the human avatar, so in the mind, in the energy body, that prevent you from experiencing that, even though it's right here, right now. So in this moment, can you even just imagine what it's like to make that transition and to just drop all of those limitations and just feel that presence of love. It's right here, right now.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:29
And finally, is there any one thing that you would like to leave the audience with that they need to hear right now?

Karen Bell 1:01:37
Well, we would like to offer the truth of how, speaking of love, how deeply loved and appreciated each and every one of you are. Some of you have forgotten this truth, and that is why you feel lost. You forget who you are, but you also forget that you are deeply loved and appreciated. We'd also like to communicate that if you are here, if you are here on planet Earth at this particular point in human history, that means that you embody quite a bit of courage. Even if you don't feel courageous or feel that sense of courage right now, we promise you that you are courageous indeed.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:22
Thank you so much for being here, and thank you so much for your joy, your love, and your wisdom. I appreciate you.

Karen Bell 1:02:29
It has been our pleasure and our honor to interact. We appreciate you and all the work that you are doing to elevate and uplift. And we will leave you with a greeting, Satnam, meaning true identity, we see and sense and feel and know your true identities as beautiful beings of light. We beam and broadcast this frequency to you in this moment and in every moment until you're able to anchor that energy for yourselves. And so, Satnam on this day, Satnam to you.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:04
She's back.

Karen Bell 1:03:05
She's back. My back just cracked.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:07
I know. I heard it.

Karen Bell 1:03:11
Sorry, I gave you a little adjustment.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:16
There it is. It's a free adjustment. That was nice. So when you come back, you're a bit loopy.

Karen Bell 1:03:17
I yeah, I can meet. Well, as you know, as you've witnessed the last few days, yeah, I definitely, you know, I often don't remember what is said. You know, sometimes I remember for a few minutes, and then it's just like same as when you wake up from a dream and you remember, and then it's totally gone. So I definitely know that I'm in an altered state because of that.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:38
Well, I mean, we recorded this, so you can go back.

Karen Bell 1:03:40
Yeah, exactly. I love to record things, and I can like, oh,

Alex Ferrari 1:03:43
That was pretty profound. That was pretty profound.

Karen Bell 1:03:44
It's good. Good job, Sarai. So my best friend always says, "Good job.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:50
Good job, good Sarai. Good job. No, it's it's fascinating. I mean, you also did an episode of of season one of Channeled Masterclass,

Karen Bell 1:03:57
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:03:57
With Sarai, and it was beautiful. But you actually broke down.

Karen Bell 1:04:01
I lost it. Yes, they're crying. I did. Yeah. So last time I was here, I we filmed that together, and you know I came out of the altered state, and it just hit me, and I just lost it, and I bawled my eyes out, and it was so funny because I think it was one of the people in my Patreon emailed me to say that they had seen it because I hadn't seen it, and they were like, "I love that you cried at the end, and I was like, "Oh, he left that in.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:30
Oh, absolutely, I left it all in.

Karen Bell 1:04:32
I totally thought you were gonna cut it out. So, anyways, now you call me the Weeping Channeler.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:36
The Weeping Channeler.com That's right.

Karen Bell 1:04:40
So that's my new handle, but I've only cried once this week, so I cried this morning.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:44
Yes, a little bit,

Karen Bell 1:04:45
But yeah, but I wasn't actually channeling when I was when I was. That was just yes.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:49
You were telling a story for one of our other shows that we were doing on Next Level Soul TV, and you will be in season two of Channeled Masterclass as well, which will come out sometime this year. Thank you. Because a lot of stuff cooking at the moment.

Karen Bell 1:05:03
Yeah, you got a lot of pots on the stove, Alex Ferrari.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:06
Yes. So and that brings us to the amazing mastery courses that we put together.

Karen Bell 1:05:10
I'm so grateful to be a part of it.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:12
Yeah, we were. It was a joy having you. Thank you. It was a joy watching you and Sarai work, and we did a course on how to find your soul's blueprint, and another one about how to tap into your intuition. And there's links in the description below if you're on YouTube or on anywhere else you're watching this, that they can watch a free webinar on one or both of those, depending on how we set it all up. But you'll get at least one webinar depending on which one gets released. I think because we're not going to release both at the same time, right? So we're going to probably release one or the other. We haven't determined which one yet, as of this recording.

Karen Bell 1:05:47
Yeah, exactly. We're figuring it all out.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:49
We're figuring it all out right now.

Karen Bell 1:05:51
We're going with the flow.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:51
Exactly. But by the time it comes out, the link will be in the description, and people can watch it there. So I'm super super excited. One last question I have for you. Well, first of all, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Karen Bell 1:06:07
Thank you. Yeah. Well, my website is intuitivekb.com. KB Karen Bell-that's my nickname. So, intuitivekb.com. You can search me on YouTube and subscribe to my YouTube channel. And all my links are on my website. So, social media links are at the top of my website. So

Alex Ferrari 1:06:22
Simple as that. Very simple. And of course, they can see you on Next Level Soul TV, and we have all sorts of stuff that we're going to be doing with you in the future as well. So excited!

Karen Bell 1:06:33
I'm so grateful.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:34
It's been such a fun time. One question I want to ask you before we go is, what is the deepest truth Sarai has ever shared with you that still sticks with you today.

Karen Bell 1:06:45
Ooh, yeah, that's good. I might need a minute for that one. The deepest truth that she shared with me, I think it's that nothing has gone wrong. I know that sounds so simple, but she's brought that through quite a few times, both to me personally and to others, so you know. I think sometimes our mind interprets what we've gone through in our lives. Like if we have a hard time, or even if we have a regret, or maybe we made a decision that we would have done something different later. She often just says, "Well, don't worry, nothing has gone wrong, right? There is. It's either there's purpose in it for sure, but if you really look at it, it's like, well, that led me to this moment, and I know for me personally, I'm so grateful to be in this moment. So like, decisions that maybe I would have done differently from this standpoint, well, no, but nothing went wrong because I'm here.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:35
Everything, everything is happens exactly the way it's supposed to happen.

Karen Bell 1:07:38
Exactly,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:39
Fun, painful, all of it-

Karen Bell 1:07:41
The whole spectrum. She's also said, and this is along the same lines, but lately she keeps she'll she'll plug this. It'll pop into my head. She says everything is managed by a higher perspective. Everything is managed by a higher perspective, and I can see that, and I'm sure you can when you describe how you know everything exploded and and and in all your success, it's like, and I have that too. I'm just like I'm so aware that everything is managed by a higher perspective because some of the things that have come my way, there is no way I could have orchestrated that right. And I'm just so grateful to. I mean, it brings a person comfort to understand that for sure.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:18
Oh, no question. When when our when Next Level Soul kind of started to take off, I realized I'm like, oh oh, I'm not in control of this.

Karen Bell 1:08:26
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:08:27
That was that was a slightly scary moment, but a freeing moment at the same time. Yeah, because the brain is going like, what? You're not in control, but something inside is like, you're finally getting it. Yeah, you kind of have to let you kind of have to. It's a big it's a big thing. So something that intense had to happen for me to kind of understand that.

Karen Bell 1:08:44
See yourself as just sort of steering the ship, or just going with the flow, or how do you see yourself in that? Just like

Alex Ferrari 1:08:51
Well, yeah. I mean, you have to work. Yeah, exactly. A lot of people make the mistake of like, oh, the universe does take care of it. Like you gotta, it's it's you gotta work. Take action. You have to take action. You have to get out of your couch. You know, stop watching you know something on Netflix or something. Like you have to actually go out and do it. So, for me, is I I kind of just run with whatever comes to me. Yeah. So the whole next level soul mastery that was accidental. I had a guest coming. She's like, hey, we should do a course. I'm like, oh, courses, and and like to do them right, and then and then all these other things started to come in, and then the second that seed was planted, all these downloads started like you have to do it this way and this way and this way and got to do this this. So slowly but surely over the last year we've been working on this.

Karen Bell 1:09:35
Amazing.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:36
We started to construct what our courses look like, which is very different than anybody else's.

Karen Bell 1:09:41
They are very different.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:43
It's extremely different. They're just at a different perspective and a different angle of what we're trying to do, and trying to awaken the planet. And it is very me,

Karen Bell 1:09:53
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:09:54
I mean, you've seen the trailer and the promo.

Karen Bell 1:09:56
So awesome! I can't wait for people to see the trailer.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:59
Yeah. That was like some of the

Karen Bell 1:10:01
Not in the trailer, guys. It's like

Alex Ferrari 1:10:02
Not in the main trailer.

Karen Bell 1:10:03
Not in the.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:03
You have your own trailer.

Karen Bell 1:10:04
I have my own trailer, but I just mean I was like blown away by it. I was like, oh my god!

Alex Ferrari 1:10:09
And that was like some of your favorite parts.

Karen Bell 1:10:10
I know. While when we were recording, I was like, do we get to do another trailer? Because I mean, I could have done that all day. Exactly. Felt like I was like you know in a movie or something, because I'm there directing you. I'm like, okay, so I need a little bit more and a little bit more motion, more sauce.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:26
I that's my thing. I like like I need a little bit more sauce than that.

Karen Bell 1:10:29
And then you said a little less sauce. I'm like, exactly like gave too much sauce.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:33
A little too much Shatner sauce. So it was like was like a little too over. I'm like, okay, now let's bring back.

Karen Bell 1:10:37
I didn't know it was possible for the Canadian to give too much sauce.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:40
We, I mean, a little too much maple syrup. It's a little too much maple syrup. I mean, if we have to, too much Canadian bacon.

Karen Bell 1:10:49
This is awesome. Like, I didn't know I had the capacity to give you too much sauce, Alex.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:53
No, but it was, it was, it was really fun to kind of direct you and get the emotion that we were looking for and things like that. It was a lot of fun, and it seems to be one of the favorite parts of the teachers. Yeah, because they don't get they they teach, but they don't often get to like

Karen Bell 1:11:07
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:08
Kind of collaborate in that way.

Karen Bell 1:11:11
It was like playful, right? And oh, super fun. We got to work together on it, and so yeah. So I did one, and then the next day we did the other one, and the whole day I was looking forward to when do we get to do the trailer, though?

Alex Ferrari 1:11:22
Because I already did it yesterday. I want to do that already. Can we start with the trailer? We should probably shoot the course first.

Karen Bell 1:11:27
There's more trailers that I can send other teachers, and I can just do it for them.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:31
I'm re-releasing The Matrix, so if you want to do the trailer for that, we can. Amazing. You have a Trinity vibe, right?

Karen Bell 1:11:39
Oh my gosh! Yes, right. I just need some. Well, I'm wearing black.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:42
I guess you're pretty close. Yeah, yeah. But it was it was a really enjoyable time, and and again, it's that that kind of like I just kind of flow with it. Yeah. So you're you are moving like when Next Level Soul TV came in, it was like I guess this is the way we're going. Yeah. And then it kind of like moves along. The engine's going. Right. Yeah. The train is moving.

Karen Bell 1:12:02
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:02
But you're kind of building the track as it goes.

Karen Bell 1:12:04
Yeah. For sure.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:04
But it's gonna go.

Karen Bell 1:12:06
Yeah. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:06
So it's just about how you build it.

Karen Bell 1:12:08
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:09
And maybe you start building and like, uh-oh, there's a ravine over there. I gotta start going.

Karen Bell 1:12:13
Yeah. I gotta steer in this direction.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:15
So it's constantly like that. So I, I let go of, I, you know, I have no attachment to outcome.

Karen Bell 1:12:21
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:22
Of course, I want things to be successful. Yeah. Of course. It hurts when I do a great interview and it doesn't get the numbers I want.

Karen Bell 1:12:28
Right.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:29
Not because of my ego, but more about man, it's not reaching. Yeah. The people I really wanted. I really wanted to reach.

Karen Bell 1:12:35
For sure.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:36
So it's kind of like, but then I know. But there's a plan in that.

Karen Bell 1:12:39
There's such a plan. It has to be. Even with your mastery course, I knew that there was a plan, and I told you this I think yesterday, the day before. But what was really interesting to me was that someone had emailed me or messaged me and said this was like probably six months before we talked about doing the course, and they said, you know, I keep seeing you doing like channeling Sarai for Alex and doing like some sort of like meditation series. I'm not even kidding. And then so when all this happened this week, I was like, this is just kind of unfolding. Like it was in you know it was the divine's idea, obviously. And then it's all unfolding. But that premonition that he had that he saw that this was gonna happen or not gonna happen, but he suggested that I talk to you about it, and I never did.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:25
No, you did not. I I came to you. I came to you. I'm like, hey, wanna do a course? Yeah, yeah. And then I showed it to you, and you're like, oh my god, yeah, that'd be fun.

Karen Bell 1:13:35
Let's do it.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:36
And as of this recording, it hadn't been really, it hasn't been released yet. Right. So we're we're gonna release this interview after Mastery gets released. So, well, I just don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah. So if it sounds like, what are you talking about, Alex? It's all over the place. Everyone's seeing it. Yeah. I have no idea. Yeah. As of this recording at this moment and this timeline. This timeline. I have no idea.

Karen Bell 1:13:58
It'll be interesting.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:59
But when it's when you get released, we've already would have released and launched Next Level Soul Mastery and stuff like that.

Karen Bell 1:14:04
So, and I'm excited. I actually want to watch all of those. I'm so excited.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:09
Yeah, because I've told you some of the topics.

Karen Bell 1:14:10
Yeah, and the and the teachers. Yeah, there's definitely some teachers that I love, and I'm super excited. So I can't wait to dive in and watch right their courses.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:19
Exactly, and and the good thing is, and for everyone listening, if they don't know at this point, if you have Next Level Soul, if you have Next Level Soul TV, and you have an annual membership right now for for a while at least, you will have access to all of the mastery courses for your membership. Or if you just want to pick up a couple of your the one off, you can buy them individually as well. So it gives everybody a opportunity to, and and we keep it pretty pretty affordable. Such a good deal. It's actually kind of people have been. I'm like Alex, what's wrong with you? Why are you doing this?

Karen Bell 1:14:50
I know it's an amazing deal. It's amazing. I mean, just compared to other courses that are out there too.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:55
Other courses, other platforms, other things. I'm like, no, you know, we want to kind of get this to everybody. And it, I mean, for the kind of, I mean, this has been a lot of work.

Karen Bell 1:15:04
A lot of work. Yeah, it's been it's a it's a lot of work. I mean, for you, I'm watching you. I'm like, it's been. I'm seeing you editing. I'm seeing you doing the web design. I'm seeing you do this that. Like, you're doing a lot over there, Alex.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:17
It's a it's it's a lot. It's a lot. But it's what I'm supposed to be doing.

Karen Bell 1:15:20
Yeah, it's your calling.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:22
It's my calling. But Karen, it's been such a pleasure.

Karen Bell 1:15:26
Thank you for having me. It's been the best week.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:28
It has been the best week. And as of as of when, as soon as we're done with here, you're gonna leave.

Karen Bell 1:15:33
Yeah, I know. I'm kind of sad.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:35
Like it's like we're all like, but we're playing all week.

Karen Bell 1:15:39
Can I just stay here and play, and do more trailers.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:43
And you're not the only teacher that said that. All the teachers like, I don't want to go. This is like so much fun. Yeah, I feel it when I'm on on a film set. I like. I just like. I'm in bliss. I don't want to. I don't want. I want this to keep going. I know we have to finish it.

Karen Bell 1:15:56
It's amazing. It's just really felt like home this week. So I'm so grateful. Thank you so much.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:01
I appreciate you and everything you're doing to help awaken the planet, and I appreciate you coming and playing with us and creating some amazing content that hopefully will help awaken people around the world. So

Karen Bell 1:16:11
Thank you so much. Thank you, Alex. Thank you.