Alex Ferrari 0:00
Is there a level of personal responsibility that we all have to take with this information that we're getting?

Lisa Williams 0:06
Be informed, but don't get your news from Facebook, or get your news from reputable sources. You know, people are becoming a little bit more aware, people are ready to do the healing, people are stepping into somatic practices, they're stepping into energy spaces, they're starting to understand where energy works and how energy works. We're in a complete shift, and it's been happening for the last several years. The younger generation are born knowing there's just this - they're aware of it, they're just so aware of the energy and how everything's moving and changing.

Alex Ferrari 0:44
What role will truth play in global leadership over the next decade or so?

Lisa Williams 0:50
When I look at..

Alex Ferrari 1:01
I like to welcome to the show Lisa Williams. How you doing, Lisa?

Lisa Williams 1:04
Oh, thank you so much. It's nice to be here. I'm good.

Alex Ferrari 1:09
Thank you so much for coming, coming on the show. I've been.. I was watching a lot of your TV. You did a lot of television back in the days as a psychic medium. In the night, it looks like it's like 90s, early 2000s stuff.

Lisa Williams 1:25
Yeah, early it was early 2000s it was 2006 that I started, came over here, and it's my 20 years in America today this year,

Alex Ferrari 1:36
Really?

Lisa Williams 1:37
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:37
Wow!

Lisa Williams 1:38
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:39
That's fantastic.

Lisa Williams 1:40
Yeah, I was kind of thrown onto the whole TV scene, and it was just a real.. it was really new for me. I'd never done anything like it.

Alex Ferrari 1:48
Yeah, it's well, yeah, in the late 90s, early 2000s there was a lot of, you know, psychic shows, and James Van Praagh and John Edwards, and those guys. everybody was with Sylvia Brown had back in the day, all these people had different shows, so it was all the rage back then, but I think that was kind of the starting point, though, of this stuff, that starting point in the sense of like making it normalizing it and pulling it out from the back of the corner of the occult bookstore or the carnival

Lisa Williams 2:21
We came from under, from out of our tent with our crystal ball and our big earrings and our tie dye velvet cloaks,

Alex Ferrari 2:31
Lots of velvet, lot of crushed velvet, lot of crushed.

Lisa Williams 2:33
Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, you know it was, and I think you know, for me, I grew up watching the TV like John Edward, James Van Praagh, Sylvia Brown, and when I got the opportunity to come over to America, you know, you say the, you say yes to opportunities, and I came over, and I was not expecting it to be this like crazy time in my life, because truly, what happened is I think everybody just went, "Oh my god, I believe it, I believe it, I believe it, and now it's everywhere, so there's this part of me that feels really proud to actually have been part of that, I guess, pathway for other people to develop their own abilities, but it was kind of a, it was a little daunting at the time, it really was.

Alex Ferrari 3:24
Girlfriend, I completely understand what you're saying, because this is the, this is daunting at times doing this work. So, I, in a different way, understand your path, for sure. So, let's go back for a second. When did you, when did you first realize that you had this, these gifts or these abilities, and when I say those gifts and abilities, I want to really preface it to say that everybody has these abilities. Yeah, everyone has the ability to have.. we're all connected. It's just some of us have it, like just like Michael Jordan could play bail, you and I could play basketball, but not like Michael Jordan could, you know, it's like, you know, so that kind of thing. So I just want to preface that, because a lot of people, you know, put people psychic mediums, channelers, mystics up on a pedestal, and what we try to do is say, no, look, guys, everyone can do this, they might be ahead down the road a little bit, and they're here to guide you. Would you agree with all that,

Lisa Williams 4:20
I completely agree with that, and actually, what I always say is everyone can sing. Some people may not want to get out of the gym or the shower singing, they're, you know, that's a little comfort zone, and some people are the karaoke singers that can go on with a little bit of work, they can go on and be whoever in the world, but I do feel that we all have a calling, and we all have an ability. We all have this intuitive ability. We all have those moments where we go, "huh, did that really happen, or was that a sign, or am I really feeling my loved one around me? And then there's some people that want to go on and develop it now. Will say there are some amazing individuals that have not been born gifted or born into it, and have gone on to just develop it, and it's just been incredible. So, you know, I think I first to answer your question, I think I first realized, you know, I didn't know it was a gift. I thought we all had it. My grandmother was a psychic medium. My aunt did paranormal investigations, so it was part of the family, really. You know, it was just kind of a normal thing that we did.

Alex Ferrari 5:34
So, it wasn't so you, so your journey, and I, since I've spoken to so many, you know, psychics, mediums, channelers, these, and people who are born into certain families, certain communities, certain religions. Like I was just speaking to one that yesterday that was a Greek Orthodox, and his family, he completely has - he's been ousted from the family because he wanted to go down this route. So you actually in your soul blueprint, said, "You know what, I'm good with that. Let me go into a situation where everyone's going to be like, 'This is cool. Hey, you, oh, you've got the gift too, let's walk it out, as opposed to, 'That's the devil's work, get out. Well, and that's two different paths as well. I'm assuming that it's all been peachy peaches and cream all the way, but you know what I mean.

Lisa Williams 6:19
Yeah, no, my listen, my dad was the biggest skeptic going. I gotta tell you, you know, he was actually my greatest gift, because he was constantly saying to me, you know, I don't believe in this, I don't believe in this. My mom was completely open, but I almost had to prove myself and level myself up to be like my grandmother, because my grandmother was like a power, you know, incredible, but my dad, I never forget my dad actually saying to.. we had a massive argument, and he, he, he basically said, "I'm not coming to support you, and I was really upset, and then we had this big argument. Anyway, he came, and he sat there, he went to Wayne Dyer's event, he went to, you know, Brian Weiss's, and then he sat in with me, and he was like, well, you know, there might be something to this thing, but I'm gonna go and see the man with that doesn't wear shoes on stage, who I played golf with, which was Wayne Dyer, and I was like, okay, and I never forget one year he came to Australia with me, and he searched every theater, you know, for hidden cameras, for audio devices. He searched the backstage, even looked in my ear before I went on stage to see if I had a hidden, like little earpiece, and I said no, and he, and at the end of that whole show run of shows, we did 12 in a row. He said, 'You know what, I've got to believe you. He said, 'Because I sat next to someone who had a reading, I've questioned people. Is that I gotta believe you.

Alex Ferrari 7:51
So there's two questions there. I have to follow up questions to that one. I find it fascinating as a father not to, I mean, to go so hard into not believing your daughter, like I have kids, so I mean there's a certain skepticism, but at a certain point I personally, through my path, I would have just like, okay, I get this, but that's one too, though. The follow-up question is, what causes someone to have such a skeptical point of view on something, is it one because they don't want to believe they're afraid that it's actually true, or two, it really just shakes their foundation of the story that they've told themselves of how the world works, that I cannot, and that it could get to an extreme where I have to fight you about it, or like it's kind of like my God's better than your God, kind of, kind of,

Lisa Williams 8:46
You know. I think I've done a lot of thinking about this, and me, my mom have spoken about it many times, and I love my dad, and he, I think he's scared. I think there's a real depth of his fear here, and I think at the beginning, when I first started, it was all about saving face, because you know, he went to the golf club, and you know, all of his guys were there, and he was like, but what am I going to tell them at the golf club? I'm like, I speak to dead people, and then he saw one of his friends, who was at the golf club, come out of my office. He's like, what was he doing here? I went the same as most of my other clients, and he went no. And so I think there was that element of saving face, but it really shakes his core belief. My dad's a big atheist, doesn't want to believe in God, doesn't believe that, you know, if there was a God, why would they take children, why would there be this political, you know, dispute, why would all of this be happening, and you know, the more, and it's interesting, as he's getting older, he's 78 now, hates his birthday, and realizes, I think he's realizing he's. Getting to that older age, and he now has to face this potential of, you know, we're all going to pass away at some point, and I think it shakes him. I think it really does. He, I, my dad is so fearful of death, and which is ironic here, because his daughter lives and swims in death every day, and I think I find death such a beautiful experience, and it's such a.. and it sounds really bizarre, but I think it can be such an incredible experience if you are blessed to be part of that ritual of passing, but my dad's just fearful of it, and I think that's one of the reasons why he's so skeptical.

Alex Ferrari 10:43
Yeah, he's closer to the end than he is to the beginning, essentially at this point in the game, you know. And I think that's, you know, you and I seem to be of this, of similar vintage, so we're of similar vintage, and even us, we're, we're now midway, and I understand, I understand why all of a sudden, midway at best case scenarios, you know, God knows where we're going to be, and what technology, and you know, advancements, and all medicine, and all that stuff's going to be, but but I understand the midlife crisis, the midlife questioning, I get it. I was told about the.. I don't have a Ferrari, no pun intended. You know, I'm not chasing, you know, young women, and none of that stuff. I'm exhausted. Could I.. couldn't.. no, no, I have too much work to do. I have no time, but I.. but I.. but I've understood that idea, and it starts to question.. you start to question a whole lot of things, and just like you, I swim in this scenario all the time. It's something I think about all the time. It's in my work on a daily basis. So, for me, it's also an idea of a questioning of, like, I feel comfortable with death. I don't like everyone. I always like to joke, because, like, everybody wants to go to heaven, just not right now, and

Lisa Williams 12:03
True story,

Alex Ferrari 12:07
But I understand that, and now that my parents are of that age as well, one is more comfortable with it, my mom, than my dad. Right, that is very much like your father, terrifying, not atheist, but atheist adjacent understands, like, raised in Catholic and Christian ideas and stuff.

Lisa Williams 12:30
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 12:30
But it's fascinating.

Lisa Williams 12:32
I wonder, just part of me wonders, because obviously I see this every day, part of me wonders if it's the feminine just being so accepting of where they are, and if it's the men that masculine energy of fight, fight, you know, push control, control, and I think it's the, it's interesting with the dynamic of masculine and feminine, because I see it yet, my husband, who is younger than I am, he's really comfortable with death, you know, I mean, he was ex-military now of 20 years, and he's, you know, so he's seen a lot around, but I think it's a very interesting, especially of that generation, you know, I've seen so much of it in that generation where there's a lot of this is how it should be, this is what the Bible says, this is where it, you know, it's how it's how it was, how it was laid out for them. It's just interesting.

Alex Ferrari 13:24
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a story that they were told, and it's a story that they held on to through some difficult times, because they, you know, that generation was raised through very difficult times. Not that this is peaches and cream right now for us, but we were different. We have a different experience, and these younger generations coming up, they are not buying any of it.

Lisa Williams 13:44
No, no, they're not.

Alex Ferrari 13:46
Yeah, and even when they are told it, they're just like, or things like, it's interesting to see.

Lisa Williams 13:54
Yeah, you know, I actually have a lot of my staff are in that younger generation, and I have two adult children now, and you know, I love the fact that they're coming up with their own thoughts, their own minds, their own ideas, and I remember actually saying to my one of my members of staff, who has become like a daughter to me, she said, I said, I just want to apologize for our generation, you know, because we have really like this is how you've got to do it, because that's how it was impressed upon us, but the fact that you know she was born into a very, very religious background, you know, there was a space with her, her parents, and now she's actually trained as a psychic medium, and she now works for, obviously, me in the school, it's very interesting, how there's still a little rigidity in the dynamics there, but I think that the younger generation are born knowing there's just this, they're aware of it, they're just so aware of the energy and how everything's moving and changing, and if we think. About it, they're our future, and we really do have to nurture that, because they're the ones that are going to be making decisions for us when we are older, or maybe we can't. So I always try to guide them in the right, right way. It's just, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 15:13
During your early years doing this, did you ever feel, before you started doing it as a, as a career or as part of your life purpose. When you discovered that I'm assuming the first time you saw a dead person or started getting, you said, "Oh yeah, this is the way I'm supposed to go. How did that actually go for you? I mean, you were, but you were introduced to all of this stuff by your grandmother and aspects of your family, so I, it wasn't like what's happening.

Lisa Williams 15:47
No, it kind of was, because my grandmother, you know, my grandmother, we always had this, we had a certain code that we had to knock on the door in a certain way, because she knew it was us, and then, you know, we were not allowed to touch these particular cards, we weren't allowed to sit in this seat, because it was sacred, you know, and so it was. It was kind of a little bit weird, really, if you think about it. Back in the 80s and 90s, and I remember she passed away before any of this really developed in me, and I remember sitting with her, and I was 19, and she sat me down on the special seat that was sacred, and she tapped her finger on the on the table, and she said, I'm going to read for you, but if I see my own death, I'm stopping, and I was like, oh, so that was actually my first introduction to it, and she said, You are going to be, you're going to be famous, you're going to be in America, you're going to be on TV, you're going to marry someone in the military or in a uniform, and she said, and you are going to continue with my work, and I went, there ain't no way I'm speaking to dead people, I don't do that, and so I kind of had that moment, but what was interesting is I always knew, looking back, I always knew at school when things were going to happen, and that intuitive part of it was very, you know, very much alive in me, but when I first saw my first dead person, that I, that when I was older, you know, I'd seen them when I was much younger, but when I first saw it when I was older, I'm sitting and I'd had a few drinks and we'd been out for the night, and it was a, you know, I had a girlfriend, we came back and she said I can't drive, I said, well, you're going to have to stay over, and we were in bed, and we were just like, because I said, you know, the spare room isn't, you know, whatever, so you have to sleep with me. So, we're sitting there. She said, "You know, you're a medium. I went, "Yeah, okay. And she said, "No, you're a medium. I was like, "Okay. And then I just suddenly looked over by the closet, and I said, "There's a man standing over there. And she said, "Tell me more, tell me more. I said, "Well, he's like your dad. He's not your dad, but he died of a heart attack, and I don't know what else to say, because he's just staring at me, and she said my adopted dad died of a heart attack, and I was like, and I didn't know what else to say, and so it really shocked me at that point, it really shocked me, and that was the first experience that I had, and then, and then it was shortly after that that I did a paid reading, what was where my first paid reading, that it really freaked me out, and I, I just didn't know what I was doing. It was like fumbling in the dark, I had no idea what I was doing, but it became this thing that I just fell into, and before I knew it, everyone was coming from miles around. I had a, you know, a waiting list of months, and it was insane. So, it.. I guess the gift chose me. I didn't really choose this work.

Alex Ferrari 18:57
It sounds like it was almost laid out on a platter for you, yeah, totally, yeah, you didn't have to like hustle and struggle and all that, like it was just like, here you go, now you're doing the work,

Lisa Williams 19:08
Yeah, that's exactly it, you know, and what was interesting with it is, I remember my grandmother always saying to me, you'll never have to advertise, she said, remember, you don't advertise, you always do word of mouth, and you know, I was only thinking about this recently, and I was like, you're not, you know, what, Nan, we're now in 2026 and now it's social media, and everything else that is a form

Alex Ferrari 19:30
Interviews,

Lisa Williams 19:31
Interviews, everything else, but she's been right, I've never had to hustle, I've never had to, it's always been laid on this, this plate, so to, so to speak, and the more I've dived into my soul calling, and the more I've dived into, you know, my life choices and what I chose, the more I truly realize is that obviously I chose this pathway. You know, and it became this enlightened experience, and in so many ways, touching people now has just been the best part of my life, being able to help some and be a facet of someone's healing, which I think has been just so beautiful in a way,

Alex Ferrari 20:20
What is the hardest truth you've ever had to deliver to somebody in a reading?

Lisa Williams 20:30
Oh,

Alex Ferrari 20:30
And then we'll follow that one, was which is the funniest.

Lisa Williams 20:32
Okay. Well, the hardest truth was recently. The hardest truth was recently. I had been working with a client of mine for quite some time, and, and I hadn't heard from her, and then I got a message from her husband saying that she was in ICU, and she said he said to me, he said, "I would love a reading, and I was like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no, and all, like, it all I knew is that she was going to pass as soon as he told me she was in ICU. I was like, she's going to pass. So he came, he.. we did a reading, and interestingly enough, while she was still alive, she still came through, and she was just.. she was talking to me, and she was talking in a.. you know, I know the difference when they're alive and when they've crossed over, and it was a really hard space, because I had to, I wasn't, I was never going to give him, I was never going to take his hope away, but I had to prepare him for what was the inevitable, and that was a really hard space, and that was, that was really devastating, and she passed two days after that, but in a way, what was really remarkable was that he went back prepared, so when she did have the brain hemorrhage, and then they took her off dialysis, and she, you know, there was she only survived like five minutes after that. There was a preparation in him, and you know, and it's hard to think that now that was the situation. It's only been a couple of weeks, and I read for him and the family just last week, and this, the way that they were prepared, the way that they held it together was unbelievable, and I think that was one of the hardest truths that I've had to really step into.

Alex Ferrari 22:29
Before we get to the funniest,

Lisa Williams 22:31
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 22:31
Can we just talk about the ethics of being a psychic medium, which is so important, because I've had horrible readings when I was in my 20s, like people were like telling me things that they shouldn't have, you know? You don't, from what I understand, you don't go, yeah, you're gonna die on march 7, 2046 at around 1220 right? Like, you don't, that's not something that supposedly you're supposed to do. So, can you just talk about the ethics, and also for people who are searching, because if they're watching this, they're probably interested, or thinking about doing a reading with someone, if it's not you, or with somebody else, to kind of protect themselves, and to, to, to have discernment on, is this, is this psychic medium right for me, because just because you have the abilities of being a psychic medium doesn't make you a good person,

Lisa Williams 23:21
You know, I, and I'm glad that you brought this up, Alex. Actually, Alex, because I think this is one of the things that I really stand for, is the ethical part of it. I have had to, I have, I have shared many times that someone has, is going to pass, but not in the way that I am saying it to you, where sometimes I have said, oh, I'm being shown yet, you know, a certain color roses, and I'm being told this, and then looking back on hindsight, you know, that's exactly what happened, and those roses meant death to that person. So there has been a couple of times and instances where that's happened, but in reality, if when it comes to ethics, I'm never going. I always ask, do you want to know everything? I am known for that. I asked it on every TV show, I asked it in every reading. I make sure, and then what I do is throughout the reading, I ask for micro consent all the way, so I'm constantly asking, are you okay to receive this, because as we know, with nervous systems and neuroscience, which I studied a huge amount since the pandemic, I've gone into this, and I've realized that as much as people say yes, yes, yes, I want to know, their nervous system can't cope with it. I am not here, and I think one of the things, biggest things here is I'm not here to ruin someone's life, because you know this, and I've had it where some, my husband was going off to Afghanistan, Afghanistan, and she said if your husband goes to Afghanistan, he will not come home alive, and I will tell you that Deborah. Hated me, and you know it was someone I trusted to do a reading with me as well, and that was a very hard space, and so whenever we're in that place, I always ask for this micro consent, I always constantly ask, I'm always watching for signs and their cues of their body, not necessarily body language, but their, their nervous system, and I will always, I always feel like I'm carrying the life, their life in the palm of my hands, not just for that hour that they're with me, but for the rest of their life, because I will guarantee verbatim that they can remember everything that a psychic has told them 20 years ago, but you can't remember what you have for dinner last night, because it's so emotional, and people are going to remember it how they want to remember it. So, there's times in my readings I don't do a traditional reading where I'm like, be quiet, I encourage communication, because for me we're dealing with some real tragic stuff, and I've had to, in my work, I've, I've actually studied trauma because of the amount of people that I get who have massive amounts of trauma that come along, and I sit with them, and I'm like, okay, we're going to have a conversation here, you know, and we step in, and then I, they're cycling and cycling, I say, "Do you want to know where this has come from? So then we dive back, and sometimes we go into childhood, and so we're seeing these moments, sometimes childhood wounds come up, but there's always these little micro consents that we have to have because it's ethics, and so I would say to anybody, if they are listening and they're thinking about going to see a psychic medium, you have to trust your own instincts. Just because you know somebody said this person's amazing, it doesn't always mean that they're right for you, and you, that psychic medium, that healer, that teacher has to create a safe container for you, safe container to hold your emotion, and that to me is so powerful, and so I think it's really about trusting, trusting your own instinct before you actually jump in and book an appointment with somebody

Alex Ferrari 27:21
Beautifully said, beautifully said. Yeah,

Lisa Williams 27:23
Thank you.

Alex Ferrari 27:24
So, your, your bill is you saying that you saw that stepfather in the corner, is that just out of curiosity? Because everyone's different, some people just hear, some people see, smell all the clears. Do you just walk around seeing dead people? No. there, is there anybody here right now? Like, is Uncle Bob here?

Lisa Williams 27:48
Well, you know what's funny, you just said that. Is anyone here? I was like, oh, his grandfather's there, but no, I don't. I don't want to, because honestly, I think I'll be six foot under with them at that point, it would drive me absolutely crazy, but I do feel a grandfather here for you. I'm just saying hello from your granddad, but without, without going, it was his anyway.

Alex Ferrari 28:16
He started, he's starting to chat you up, isn't he?

Lisa Williams 28:17
Yes, he's very chatty.

Alex Ferrari 28:20
Tell him to hold off, we'll talk later.

Lisa Williams 28:22
I'm like, dude, anyway, it's so interesting. Oh my gosh, he really is a chatterbox, isn't he? It's like he's there's some..

Alex Ferrari 28:32
Okay, okay. So let me ask you this, then. All right, so now he's talking to you. This is a real world experience, right?

Lisa Williams 28:38
Real world.

Alex Ferrari 28:39
So my grandfather's there chatting you, you're trying to have a conversation with me. Can you put the clothes sign up for a minute ago? Hey, just relax.

Lisa Williams 28:47
Yes, I can.

Alex Ferrari 28:48
Okay, you can do that. Okay,

Lisa Williams 28:49
Yes, I do, and I absolutely do, and I've just had to do it. But it's when some of them sometimes they want to come in really, really strong, and you know, in a way, I was, you know, gearing up for this. I was kind of aware that someone may come in, and I'm open to it at this point, but in everyday experiences, you know, when I'm driving, when I'm in yoga, when I'm going to the store, I don't want to speak to them, you know. Okay,

Alex Ferrari 29:17
Well, you live your life,

Lisa Williams 29:19
I want to live my life. Yeah, and honestly, that's what I do. You know, you can switch it on, you can switch it off.

Alex Ferrari 29:28
I apologize for my grandfather.

Lisa Williams 29:29
That's okay. He's very proud of you, by the way, and he's really glad that you followed a dream. I was like, okay, bye.

Alex Ferrari 29:38
Amazing. Okay, so let me ask you, we've been talking a lot about the smaller aspect of, like, not the smaller, but the micro aspect of it, but let's get into the macro, because there's a lot of stuff going on in the world. When you tune into humanity right now, what is the feeling that is coming, because there is a lot of fear out there?

Lisa Williams 30:00
Yeah, there's a lot of fear, and I'm really glad that you asked that question, because when I tap into humanity, and it's actually a conversation I've had many times, is that we're in a massive shift, we're in a complete shift, and it's been happening for the last several years, and I, and as I'm talking about it. I literally have full body chills right now, and I do feel that old paradigms, old constructs are leaving. It's like this: there is a dissolution of a regime that is that is dissolving before our eyes, and that we are having an infiltration of energy of new energy, whether you want to call it new age, whatever you want to call it, but new energy influxing in, and the advances of science that is happening right now, and this is actually being channeled to me right now, but the advances of science that is happening, you bring that in with the old laws of spirituality, we're getting a new wave in the world, we're getting a new, a new wave, and we're actually starting to see.

Alex Ferrari 31:08
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Lisa Williams 31:29
How, how humanity should be working, but all of this fighting and all of this destruction is actually paving the way for the new world to actually be upon us,

Alex Ferrari 31:43
That makes a lot of sense, because you have to kind of, well, I mean, like any, like a forest fire,

Lisa Williams 31:50
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 31:50
A fire has to happen in order, I think it's in the, I think it's pine trees, I'm not sure if it's pine trees, or there is a, a tree that their seeds do not get released until they are burned, and they are that, so when there is a forest fire, all those seeds go into the ashes, and all the new ones come up. So it is part of nature. I mean, if you see, sometimes things get overgrown, there's too many trees or too many things fighting for too many resources in a specific set of land, nature comes in and goes, no, no, no, there's, we're out of balance here, we got to clear out some stuff naturally, and

Lisa Williams 32:30
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 32:31
It's because there is an equal balance in nature, even with, you know, predators and prey and all of that stuff, but when the balance gets shifted, and a lot of times that balance gets shifted by us, you know, I mean, you, you're in Florida, I come from Florida, when I was growing up, there were no anacondas in the Everglades,

Lisa Williams 32:54
Oh wow,

Alex Ferrari 32:55
And now there are anacondas in the Everglades, and now they've become the apex predator, and the alligator is suffering because it doesn't know because he's not supposed to be there, so they're out of balance. So I use that as an example of the how we're as humanity, the world is so out of balance. Yeah, so we have. So do you, do you agree that a lot of the insanity, and it is insanity that is happening right now, it's not only needed, but it has to happen in order for the new to come along, because you kind of need these bulls, and there are many bulls in china shops all around the world,

Lisa Williams 33:32
All around the world,

Alex Ferrari 33:34
Breaking things left and right, so they're breaking things that we would rather not have broken, and other things that absolutely need to be broken, but it's kind of like a, there's no scalpels here, it's all sledging,

Lisa Williams 33:44
You know, I, I, it's a great way of putting it, and in all fairness, I think if we, if we understand the mind, and I think we have to understand the mind right now, the mind is our realm of safety, we, our mind is is geared to keep us safe, and so whatever has culturally kept us safe, you've had, you've had a life, I've had a life, people, everyone's had a different life. We have cultural differences, and so our cultural differences have formulated what we perceive to be safe or unsafe, and our lived experiences perceive, perceive us to be safe or unsafe, so our brain has a reference point, so anything outside of that that is going on that we are not comfortable with, or that we sometimes are struggling with, our brain is going to go and have this like freak out, but reality, when we connect into the soul and we actually take the brain away from us, and we are in that soul space, and we look at it almost from a bird's eye view of what is actually happening in humanity, we can see that this actually needs to happen, this needs to happen to find some form of. Semblance to find some form of of balance, because there is such an imbalance right now, and I always say to people, whenever you've got that happening and your mind is racing and you're questioning the what, where, why, when, how, who, and your soul is really struggling to actually understand what's going on. I ask you people to take a breath and create space between the two, because that breath will allow you to calm, and in that breath you can find some form of understanding and some form of balance, but it is scary out there, and I do think that we need this shake up for us to find that that balance back in the world

Alex Ferrari 35:45
Now when you're seeing all of these conflicts happening around the world right now, obviously, as we, as at this conversation, in the US is at war with Iran, and you know Russia is still in the Ukraine, and you know the Palestinians, and there's just so many different conflicts going on in the world, some are pretty, pretty terrifying, specifically the US and Iran right now, because it's not just a local, hey, I need more land kind of scenario, this is like this has much bigger implications. What do you see in that, in what do you see in the next five years, 10 years, in regards to these Iran, this specifically the Iran, and God knows what other conflict that might arise any day now somewhere else.

Lisa Williams 36:31
I know, I know, I.. oh, so that's a loaded question. I think when I look at what is going to happen? I think there's a lot more turmoil that we're going to experience. I think what's.. I truly believe that we've all chosen to be born this time for, because our souls are ready for this conflict, and I do think there's going to be a lot more choices in, let's talk America right now, because this is where we both live, but if we talk about America, I do feel that Americans will have to have a lot more choices, and I do feel that I keep feeling for the next three years is going to be some form of conflict, so for the next three years is going to be some form of conflict, and I keep wanting to go to 2028 maybe beginning of 2029 and I do feel that there's going to be a lot more decisions that the American people will have, but they have to start stepping up, and there has to be a lot more. It's going to create a lot more gathering of people coming together and speaking up, that's what's going to help us, but I do think there's going to be a lot of, and for some reason I just kept seeing different countries also being involved as well

Alex Ferrari 37:51
In these, in these, in this turmoil,

Lisa Williams 37:53
Yeah, in this turmoil

Alex Ferrari 37:55
Against us or with us?

Lisa Williams 37:56
With us, with us

Alex Ferrari 37:58
Going, going into it

Lisa Williams 38:00
Going into it

Alex Ferrari 38:03
I mean, I don't particularly.. I, this is my gut feeling, I mean, but you're the professional, I mean, I don't believe there'll be another world, world war in this, in the scope, or the scope, or the way we know of it, like, do one, I don't think there's going to be anything like that, because we're just that our technology now has become so powerful, and that we can wipe ourselves out, yeah, very easily, very, very easily. So, I don't believe there is that, but I do agree with you, there's going to be, there's listen, there's some players on the sidelines right now who have not decided to come in yet, yet, so,

Lisa Williams 38:46
And that's who I think will come in. I agree with you. I don't think there's going to be a world war as we've known it. I think there's going to be definitely a technology space that will be battling as well. I don't know, you know, which, which is already happening, but I do feel that we're actually going to be okay, but I do feel that it's actually, I feel like we almost have to perceive it from that bird's eye view and look at it for what it is. It's almost like we're clearing out the debris, and we're being able to now move forward, but it's very sad. It's really sad that it's having to come to it.

Alex Ferrari 39:24
Well, it's kind of like when you see, and I have to imagine this is what it's like for the other side to watch us, our loved ones on the other side, our spirit guides, or our angels. It's kind of, I mean, I joke that we're the greatest reality show in the world were like the real housewives of earth, but just like a parent, when you see a child about to make a mistake in their life, sometimes you have to let them make it, because that's the way they learn, and I guess. That's in a much, mac, much larger scale. That's kind of what we're going through right now, as a species and as a consciousness.

Lisa Williams 40:06
Yeah, I completely agree. And I think what's also happening is, if we look at consciousness, if we look at the way that spirituality is, what's happening is there's a lot more people that are becoming more and more spiritual, there's a lot more awakenings that are happening with, with the certainly with the openings of plant medicine, psilocybin, ayahuasca, you know, people are becoming a little bit more aware, people are ready to do the healing, people are stepping into somatic practices, they're stepping into energy spaces, they're starting to understand where energy works and how energy works, and we're starting to understand consciousness. If we look at what's just happened in the last, you know, in September, when Dan Brown opened the book, you know, the book, The Secret of Secrets. I mean, that's all about consciousness, and if we can look at this as a whole, we are becoming more and more aware of this consciousness space, and I feel that there is a segue here where there's some people that are very, very logical that are staying in that logical space, that are staying in that place, and that is where there's a lot of discord and fighting, and but then you also have on the other side you've got a lot of people who are coming from that logical place over into this more esoteric space, which is more consciousness and aware and energy, where they are seeing that there is more that that isn't serving us, and so they're stepping in here and they are becoming more, more connected, and I think that's a really beautiful part of it, so I, and I think science is now proving that there is a part where we sit, that science is, it's proving what we're doing, you know, and I think this is beautiful, so I feel like there is this, there's a real shift in the universe and the world right now in all of this and I'm, I feel honored to be part of all of this whole process, because it's a massive, massive time in our, in society.

Alex Ferrari 42:11
Yeah, it's interesting. We have a film called First Contact with Darryl Anka Bashar, if you're familiar with him, on our platform, and in that movie, and on Next Level Soul TV, and in that movie, they actually, he went into a sign in US into a with the scientist, they plugged his head up with neurons, and they actually saw what his brain did when he channeled, and it there was stuff that he did, they couldn't understand what was going on, like it, this shouldn't be happening, so there is something happening, and now science is starting to like to prove your point. Science is starting to catch up to, and the same. I've seen things like that with psychic mediums as well. They, they strap them in, and they go, "Well, wait a minute. When they're they're talking to Uncle Bob, their brain waves shift in a way that you shouldn't be able to control,

Lisa Williams 42:57
Right! Well, if you also look at this, if you also look at the semantic mapping of a brain, our brain lights up in certain areas when we're talking, but when you're actually in a working in a reading, you're you're getting pieces of information and just dropping of information, so all of a sudden you know I might hear top and my brain is actually looking for top of a mountain, top of a car, top of this, top of that, so my brain is lighting up like a Christmas tree, and that's actually what's happening, and obviously the brain waves the way that we're getting into this, this place, and it's so true, and I will say what happens with psychics and mediums, we hit this scalar energy, this quantum energy, this universal energy, and when we're in that scalar energy, and we're just channeling, we're just a focus, we're a force, because I've done it where I can be so sick before a client, before a reading, before going on stage, and I'm on stage and I'm in my client and I am absolutely fine and that is where I'm absolutely tapped into the scale our energy I'm tapped into universal energy, chi, prana, whatever you want to call it, and that is what is now being picked up because we have the technology to show it and it's just magnificent.

Alex Ferrari 44:22
Mm. that's beautiful. Yeah, now what is what role will truth play in global leadership over the next decade or so? Because there has to be a shift around the world.

Lisa Williams 44:37
I agree with that, and you know that's such a big question, and part of me wants to believe that we are going to be shifting into transparency and truth now, as much as our governments and society are talking about, oh, we're transparent, we're transparent, well, they're limited transparency. Because they're obviously just it's going to work for them, but I do feel, yeah, of course, but I feel like there's a massive shift in, in the way that our leadership needs to be in truth, and I will say this, when Marianne Williamson was doing her campaign for presidency, you know, I mean, what an amazing gift that would have been, had you know, that that would have been obviously this woman who is also very, very connected into the universal energy, but I, but I don't feel as though society was ready, and society, you know, that I don't feel as though that was a place, but what's interesting is I feel like it has to shift into this united front of truth, and I do feel our leadership has to find we have to be putting people in place that that resonate for our truth, because you know, we look at it with the gurus out there, people who have been, you know, been followed, and been like just followed in just such an adorned

Alex Ferrari 46:06
Worshiped,

Lisa Williams 46:06
Worshiped, and they have let us down. You know, they've been seeking their truth, but they, you know, there's always another side to it. So I would like to think that there's going to be truth, but truth is really abstract. What I believe is true may not be right for everybody else, and so I think it's a really abstract space, but I would like to think that there would be more transparency,

Alex Ferrari 46:31
And I agree with what you said, like your truth might be different than somebody else's truth, but true truth, like truth, universal truth,

Lisa Williams 46:40
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 46:41
It's gravity. True, you know, you could argue all you want. You know, I don't believe in gravity. Well, there's certain things that are universally true, and I understand what you mean, though. Like, your perception of a story that you've created for yourself that makes sense to you might be different than me, and that's fine, and that's the way we're all trying to figure this crazy game out. It's insane, insane. This is an insane roller coaster, right? From so, from your point of view, speaking to spirit, I mean, this is like the ultimate ride, the ultimate school for a soul to go through, and from what I've, from what I've seen, but what I've heard, it's a giant celebration when someone passes. Yeah, because they're just like, oh man, did you, man, you are so brave. Wow, you went down there, not brave, but you know what I mean, but like that, I can't believe you did this. Like, this is not easy. This is very difficult to be down here, and like you chose to come down in the late 90s and early 2000s and to see the birth of the internet and the birth of AI, and all of the other stuff. Then the shift of consciousness, my God, it's.. it's.. is that.. is that what you see on the other side as well, or here?

Lisa Williams 47:59
Yeah, you know, it's funny because I always, and I'm writing a book on this, is that we're, we all have a soul purpose, and our sole purpose, whatever that soul purpose is, that soul lesson, we've all come to learn one core lesson, there's a sub lesson underneath, and we were learning it in such a powerful way, and then there's when we pass over, and I wrote a book on this, called Survival of the Soul. When we, when we pass over, there is.. it's like this cheerleading squad, like, yeah, you made it, you did it, and here's your lesson that you had to learn, and it's so interesting, because you know, we were looking at when that will.. they.. they're in spirit, and they look at us. It's almost like they're looking and going, you know, because we are really having these big emotional experiences. This is a place that you learn so much emotion, you carry so much emotion, and you have to navigate life. It's like you're coming in blinded, blinkered, and you don't have to be blinkered, I always say always trust your instinct, because that's going to take the blinders off, and it will give you some understanding of where things are going to go, but I do, I feel like the spirits are actually going to say, "Yay, you made it, you made it on this roller coaster of life, and you can stay here for a minute, and then you're going to do it again, then we're gonna throw you back,

Alex Ferrari 49:26
And that's just this life. Let's not talk about parallel lives or past and future lives. Let's not even go down that road.

Lisa Williams 49:31
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's interesting when we look at it, you know, when we look at the big grand scale of it, how we are living all of this simultaneously.

Alex Ferrari 49:43
It's in fact infant fattable, like, yeah, but you know it's.. you can't even comprehend the complexity. We can't comprehend the complexity of our body.

Lisa Williams 49:52
No,

Alex Ferrari 49:54
You know, it's still.. it's still the most perfect machine ever created or designed on this planet. Period.

Lisa Williams 50:00
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 50:00
And yet we're barely scratching the surface of understanding why certain things happen and why other things don't,

Lisa Williams 50:07
Right!

Alex Ferrari 50:08
That's just our, that's just our body and nature. Yeah, and nature, and the sea, and let's not even talk about the universe and what we're discovering about the universe and seeing away and all that kind of stuff. It's so, man, I, if this is a computer game, and we're just, we're just avatars for some alien species playing a video game, my God, the computing power.

Lisa Williams 50:33
Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, I've got a friend of mine who, she loves gaming, and she'll sit there, and she'll, she'll sometimes say that her gaming is like life, and she loves all of this stuff, and she's like, I can't wait to die and see what it's, what really life is like, and I'm like, that's not really a way of doing it. She said, I'm not gonna go yet, but I'm just curious, and so I do, I think that analogy is so right, it's, it's so bizarre.

Alex Ferrari 51:03
It's a bizarre video game. We're just Mario, we're just Luigi and Mario trying to save a princess at the end of the day, and we just have different avenues to go down the same, so if we may, if we may look into that crystal ball one more time and talk about, and talk about the economy, and the economic stability of the world, because that is also on a lot of people's minds, and a lot of people are afraid, and things are shaking, things are becoming much more expensive here in the States, obviously, but around the world, because of geopolitical issues and also a lot of decisions that were made 20 years ago that we're starting to sense like something's coming, something's coming, something we're way overdue in general for an economic downturn, a major economic downturn, and I feel that it's been on a, on a just as technical aspect, it's been propped up right a long time, and we just.. I'm not talking about conspiracy theories, this is just economic truth, you could just look it up.

Lisa Williams 52:09
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 52:10
So where do you see us economically? And then, furthermore, let's talk about money afterwards, because I just want to hear your ideas of where money is going, because that's a whole other, like everything else in the world, everything else is in flux. Why not that,

Lisa Williams 52:26
Right! And you know, I see it, and what I've also seen is that money, money is around, there's money around, and it's how there's always money around, and it's how we are magnetizing that money to us, or what we're doing to not necessarily earn money, but to gain money. But I do feel if we talk about economics, I do feel that there's going to be a downshift. I gotta, I just do. I feel as though there's going to be a real, real struggle and a downshift of the economic economic space and I feel like it's gonna, I've, you know, as I look at it, I don't want to think that we would go back to 2008 but there is this feeling of that things are going to crumble again and things are going to shift, and I've often said to a friend of mine, I'm like, you know, I think you need to put your money somewhere, you know, be aware, spread the money in different places, because I just keep seeing this, it's like this tightness, and I just keep seeing the bottom falling away, but what's on the other side of it is I feel again we are getting rid of old constructs, old paradigms, old understandings, and there's a new shift and a new wave that is going to lead us, which I think might be where you are taking me into about money, because I do feel that there's almost this new area, and that's what I'm seeing right now, is this this new area of money, it's almost like a new playing field when I talk about money, but I do feel the economy is going to struggle, and I feel as though they, there's almost, there's going to be a real segue between the wealthy and those who are not so wealthy, and that's where it's going to struggle, and I've seen it for quite some time, and I hate saying that,

Alex Ferrari 54:15
Yeah, but it's going to be what it is.

Lisa Williams 54:18
It is what it is, it is

Alex Ferrari 54:20
What it is, and but it doesn't, and we're not saying when you're saying these things, it's not to create fear, it's just to look, you and I both lived in Florida, you live in Florida, I lived in Florida, we all saw a hurricane coming,

Lisa Williams 54:36
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 54:36
You've been there, what, a bunch of years, right, so you've probably experienced either the threat of a hurricane or actually gone through it. I went through like I went through three direct hits, or close to direct hits, right in my time in Florida. The worst thing about a hurricane, in my opinion, is knowing that it's coming 810 days down. Is it coming? Is it not coming? Is it coming? Do we got to go to Publix to go buy all the water, like, and all the, that, like, should we put the shutters up? Should we not? That's the worst part of it for me, at least. It's horrible, and I've gone through, I'd lost roofs. I mean, I've had, you know, FEMA come, I've gone through some stuff with hurricanes, and it's very difficult, similar with this conversation, the things that you're saying. I'm like, look, this is going to happen.

Lisa Williams 55:27
It is.

Alex Ferrari 55:28
Period. Um, now there is a, there is abilities, and correct me if I'm wrong, shifting timelines or consciousness, depending on how we choose as a, as a consciousness can shift certain things to certain ways here and there, right, because I heard for a long time we've, there was two roads, we could either go down the self-destructive timeline and completely just end it for humanity, or we've chosen and con, and as a consciousness we've chosen to, like, no, no, no, we are going to go this other way, so we are, you know, going to be fine, but there it's this is a roller coaster ride that will have its ups and downs.

Lisa Williams 56:08
Yeah, and I agree with that, and I think what I would like to say is I'm bringing awareness to a situation, and having awareness is like you said that 10 day before a hurricane hits that you can start preparing for the what could be, and I think when we have awareness, and I'm all about awareness of, and that's what a psychic is, you know, we're giving you awareness of potentialities, but it's your decisions on what you are going to choose and where you go, and I agree with us, I with what you said about humanity. I agree that we have all collectively said no, we're going this way, and this is exactly why we're going to do, and this is how it's going to be. But because we've chosen that, now we've got to get rid of the old world and step into that new space. I'm kind of really looking forward. I don't know why, but to 2000 22,040, I feel, which sounds like a long time away, but I feel like there's going to be a massive shift up until 2040 and in 2040 I think you're going to find something very, very, very different.

Alex Ferrari 57:19
Yeah, I've heard, I've heard the date that always sticks out is 2032 is the major, like, okay, we have now made it over the hump of all the, all the crazy, and now we're starting to move towards this other direction. It's not going to be quick, yeah, it's going to be slow, but it's going to be moving in that direction. But we're the roller coaster still going to be bumpy until 2032 is that what you see as well?

Lisa Williams 57:43
I agree with that. Yeah, because I always see around 2035 being a little bit more calmer, and 2040 I see it being like not necessarily better roses, because nothing is, but definitely much different. It's almost like we'll be looking back and going, do you remember when we went through in 2000 whenever it was, and I think it's gonna, I think it's this part of our time will really stand, stand us in history.

Alex Ferrari 58:12
Now, another area I wanted to kind of look into the future as well is the health and medicine that is fascinating to me, because,

Lisa Williams 58:21
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 58:22
You know, our parents' generation was like, you wear a white coat, they're God,

Lisa Williams 58:28
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 58:28
That's just, just the way it was, whatever they said was, you know, scripture, and you know, we're my, at least I'll speak for myself, I don't look at that now, I have a critical eye, I'm like, because I know, I know have a lot of friends who are doctors, have a lot of family members who are doctors, and we have conversation. I'm like, you don't, what, you don't even know the basics of nutrition, and they're like, yeah, we didn't get any, because they're only taught two things, they're essentially taught, and please forgive all the, please forgive me for any doctors watching, but it's like either prescription of medicine or surgery. There are those doctors who are now evolving into, like, no, no, no. Let's look at the cause of this. What is your nutrition? What is your work? But the majority of them are not taught that this is now shifting into other kinds of worlds. So, I'd love to hear what you think. Where do you see for health and medicine?

Lisa Williams 59:23
Yeah, well, this is actually something that is very near and dear to my heart, actually, because I have started to go down the pathway of understanding the root causes of health and problems that we have, and a lot of it is our emotions, you know, I deal with a lot with people who have autoimmune disease and cancer, and there are emotional elements to those to those illnesses that have brought them on, and I started to dive in and realize that I took, I took 3000 readings that I did, and I identified, with the help of AI, it was a beautiful thing, but throw. It all in, and I could actually see where people were having a reading, and their mother passed away. Oh, and then six months later, a chronic illness happened, and so, what, that's really interesting. So, I do think that the more that we are starting to understand that, the more that we can now, especially with the advances of neuroscience, all of the somatic work and the healing that we're doing, we can actually start working on the issue at the time, because there, when we look about, look at grief, if we don't start working towards not necessarily healing grief, but identifying and understanding our grief within the first month, it then becomes hardwired into our brain like an addiction pattern, and so we have to, we're now having this awareness on science, so I do feel that science is absolutely exponentially changing, and the medical practice, you know, medical facilities, because we now got the advancement of peptides, we've got the advancement of understanding how our dentistry impacts our health, our emotions. We've got Chinese medicine. People are now turning to acupuncturists and holistic doctors and functional medicine doctors more than they are going to their own GP, and even my own GP, which, when I go there, I listen to him, I'm like, dude, are you really sure you're supposed to wear a white coat, because he is now about exercise, diet. Look at your, look at your emotions. Let's try this. Let's not do surgery, which I think is so amazing. And in some, some people, they would think it was so radical, but it's not. It's actually in everyday life, and if you look at the advancement of the biohacking industry, you know, Dave Asprey in the biohacking industry, this is, I mean, I've been in part of that whole world, and I've seen it where people are now starting to understand their bodies and the science behind it, and the millions of money, millions of dollars that they put into it, it's incredible, and if, and I think what we've also got to have is this shift, this shift from the old way of thinking, like, like you said, doctors are, they're amazing, they know it all, and all of these studies to also understanding that there are other ways that we can approach our health, we can look at it from an emotional point of view, a somatic point of view. We can realize that our emotions hold in our body, and that when we start to actually think about, okay, how what is what is my stomach trying to tell me? Oh, you're sad. All right, well, what's the cause of sadness? Now we get with journal, all of a sudden the stomach's fine, you know, it's, it's interesting. So, I think there's going to be exponential changes in our healthcare systems.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:51
Is AI going to have a major part of that?

Lisa Williams 1:02:53
I do think so. Absolutely. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:02:57
Exactly. I mean, you know, you, you know, Dr. GPT is, he's, he's not perfect, or she's not perfect, but it does give you a good, it gives you a battle plan, like I, I saw a course out there about there were doctors teaching you how to use Chat GPT to help you self-diagnose a bit, and then go into an MDS meeting or appointment with this arsenal of information to help the doctor help you better, so it's like this combination of everything, because it is - it's so powerful. I found I saw a story the other day that there was a woman that went to 20 doctors, could not figure out none of them could diagnose it. They put it all into GPT and a Chat GPT, and all of a sudden she's got the diagnosis, and it was accurate. And then the doctors were able with that diagnosis, the doctors were able to treat her properly. They go, "Oh, we didn't think of that, because a human brain can't process 10 million research, you know, doc, you know, all this kind of, it just has access to all the information, and that's how they say that AI will possibly find the cure for cancer, because it will look at every research ever done,

Lisa Williams 1:04:19
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:19
And combine it all, and cross rock until finally it goes, oh, this is kind of like what you did with your, with your readings, it connected dots that you could have never,

Lisa Williams 1:04:29
Couldn't have,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:29
Even with your second, even with your psychic abilities,

Lisa Williams 1:04:32
Yeah, because it was screaming me in the face, you know, I had, I had too many people coming to me and saying, you know, all of a sudden I've been diagnosed with breast cancer, or I've been diagnosed with this, or that, or the other. I've got this chronic disease, or I'm an autoimmune, and I'm like, there is something that is happening here. And as I started to look at it, I was like, I wonder if I could just take all of my readings that I've done in the last couple of years, so I did. It and I grabbed as many as I could, and I put them all through them all into into notebook LM, and I started to understand the actual patterns that were going on, and I'm like, it's fascinating when we look at it that now I can map where the where the illness was related to, and the emotion that it came from, it was, it was so fascinating.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:25
Now, in the next five or 10 years, do you see any major global events on the horizon that it's going to shift humanity's path in a very, very big way?

Lisa Williams 1:05:35
You know, I haven't really looked at that. I try not to, and I think the reason I try not to be honest, because I think sometimes living in the now is is hard enough for some people, and again I think I think there's always going to be something, I think there's going to be major earthquakes, I think there's definitely going to be major losses that we have, but I try not to look at it, because, and I'll be honest, why I do. Why I didn't look at it for a long time was because my husband was military, and it was only in October that he retired, so I chose not to look at it for a reason, knowing that he could have been taken into that space. So, yeah, that's one of the questions I can't answer, and it's not something I have chosen to look at.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:26
Got you fair, fair enough, fair enough. And is there a level of personal responsibility that we all have to take with this information that we're getting, because we all feel, you know, look, I understand all the stuff we've talked about, like it's my soul blueprint, and hey, we're learning through these lessons, everything, but at the end of the day, there's still uncertainty, and uncertainty for the, for the human brain is still difficult to process, because it's it's hardwired into us, so the tiger doesn't need us, kind of thing, so what can someone do who is really just terrified of the future and not truly living in the now? What can what advice would you have for them on how to process and deal with all of this?

Lisa Williams 1:07:12
Yeah, well, first of all, I think there's several things that they can do is quieten the noise, you know, choose what they choose to listen to. I had a client of mine who everybody was talking about a certain date in February where you know part of California was going to disappear and and I when I read for her I said it's not I said you're going to be okay and she was in this panic and she was thinking I've got to sell my house before this particular date and yeah, and I'm like, I want you to use discernment. So, first of all, choose what you listen to, choose what noise you want to turn down, and turn down the noise. Really important, try not to have the news on as much. Be informed, but don't get your, don't get your news from Facebook, or get your news from reputable sources. The other part of it is really step into a meditation practice, step into a meditation practice, even if it is quiet in your mind for 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes in the afternoon, because by quieting your mind, you're allowing your nervous system to settle down. Then you can start listening to that discernment that we have, that intuitive part of us, where that intuitive part is going to tell you what news source is right and what you feel is right and wrong for you to work with, because we all have our internal barometer of what is right, wrong, what acts our internal compass of what works for us, and I think really using discernment and trusting your own intuition as that is not going to be massive in the next 10 years in moving forward,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:01
Beautifully said, Lisa. Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

Lisa Williams 1:09:06
You know, they can go to lisawilliams.com or follow me on socials, I'm Lisa Williams Medium, pretty much everywhere. So, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:14
And do you have any final messages for the audience?

Lisa Williams 1:09:18
You know, my final message would be, is trust your own instincts, as much as we've talked about some bigger global impacts. Here, I think it's really taking what works for you, what really resonates for you. I always say, if you're looking to develop your own spiritual awareness, find what works for you. You are your own inner guide, you don't need anybody else to tell you it's really about what you trust. So I just encourage everyone to listen to themselves.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:49
Beautifully said, Lisa, it's been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you today. You're wonderful. I love your energy, I love your sense of humor, I love your perspective on the world, and I. Appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken the planet, so thank you.

Lisa Williams 1:10:02
Thank you, it's been an absolute pleasure, and some great, great conversations here. Thank you for having me.