Thriving in the Times of Chaos with Karen Bell

Alex Ferrari 0:00
How can people connect with the energy of the great shift?

Karen Bell 0:05
It's hard for human minds to really wrap their their head around what infinite abundance really means. Your body has an incredible intelligence, and so when you start to pay attention, then you can really hone in on what you need from moment to moment where we are disconnected from our higher self, our true self, our true identity, because our system is just trying to survive. It senses there's a threat. The news is on, there's there's some threat in this reality keeps you in that survival state where you're feeling anxious. The next steps would be that you have to let go of the old.

Alex Ferrari 0:54
I like to welcome back to the show returning champion Karen Bell.

Karen Bell 0:56
Returning champion. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me back Alex.

Alex Ferrari 1:01
Thank you for flying down from the great white north.

Karen Bell 1:04
That's right, wearing my cowboy boots. Just so you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:10
I appreciate that. I think you blend in.

Karen Bell 1:14
I'm trying to blend in in Texas,

Alex Ferrari 1:17
And the weather's much nicer here this time of year.

Karen Bell 1:20
Yeah, there was a bit of snow last week in Canada. So it's nice to be down here where it's warm and hot and sunny

Alex Ferrari 1:27
For right now, until the devil walks across the street, and that's in about six weeks. Six to eight weeks, there'll be the devil will be hanging out going, Yeah, I gotta get back down to hell.

Karen Bell 1:39
Yeah. I feel like, that's my dream climate. Though you're like, that's my dream climate.

Alex Ferrari 1:45
I think I hear, I feel a move. I feel I see a move,

Karen Bell 1:50
Moving to the USA,

Alex Ferrari 1:51
Maybe moving to the US. Or isn't there a warm part of, like, a can, isn't there, like, on the on the west coast there was warmer, warmer, not warm.

Karen Bell 2:01
It's not exactly warm. I'd say it's warmer. The thing about the West Coast is they get a lot of rain, kind of like Portland, of course. So, you know, you trade the snow for slightly warmer climate. But yeah, it rains non stop throughout the winter over there so.

Alex Ferrari 2:15
Well thank you so much for coming. I'm excited. Our last conversation, people really, really enjoyed,

Karen Bell 2:21
I'm so glad, yes, happy.

Alex Ferrari 2:23
And for people who didn't listen to that first conversation, can you tell a little bit, little bit, little mini bio about who you are and what you do?

Karen Bell 2:33
Yes, so my name is Karen Bell. I'm from Ontario Canada, and I'm a clairvoyant and a channeler, and I channel A being named Sarai. And Sarai is a being from the Andromeda Galaxy. But the way that I like to think of her as well, I call her a star being, but I like to think of her as kind of a she is quite angelic, so sort of like an angel of Andromeda, sort of the sense that I get a lot of people when they think Andromeda, they think, you know, et which is not necessarily wrong, but my sense of her is that she's this higher dimensional being, this non physical being that does reside in Andromeda, but she has a beautiful, compassionate healing energy. People really seem to connect with her message. So it's been incredible for me, and really healing for me to actually have this conversation with her, this ongoing conversation.

Alex Ferrari 3:26
She has a very motherly energy. So it's just really interesting, because we all, we all look at our little planet is a like, you know, like, where the center of the universe kind of thing, right? But there are hierarchies on the other side, like archangels and angels and spirit guides and things like that. Yeah, that would also apply to other civilizations, other beings around the universe. So there could be the Archangel Michael of that drama that they and it could possibly be the same energy,

Karen Bell 3:59
Yes, exactly. That's what I think is so cool about it, because we do tend to just tend to just think, you know, we think Earth, we think Archangel Michael and all of the Ascended Masters and beings that are related to Earth, but we forget that we live in this massive universe and maybe other universes as well, right? Said, you know, she's hinted at the fact, once in a session, that andromena is just a portal to another universe. So if you think of really, it's hard for human minds to really wrap their their head around what infinite abundance really means. But if you think of that sensation of infinite abundance and ever expanding as that applies to the universe, you realize like, well, we're not alone, and there's all of these dimensions of reality. And, yeah, it's pretty incredible when you, when you sit down and start thinking about that,

Alex Ferrari 4:47
It's a massive video game, yes, yes, with so many levels,

Karen Bell 4:51
So many levels. Yes. Have you defeated the boss yet?

Alex Ferrari 4:55
The boss, it lives within us sometimes, and we have to defeat our own boss. Yeah, once. To do that, then you were liberated

Karen Bell 5:02
Smash that ego, exactly, Donkey Kong with that big you know,

Alex Ferrari 5:08
I love your references. I love the references the big boss at the end. I appreciate that. But it's so true that the universe is this giant video game that we're playing. And as I start watching, I don't play video games as much anymore, because I don't have the time, right? And I used to be a remote thrower in my younger years, so I'm like, I don't need this stress in my life. Yes. What game did you like, though? Let's talk. I'm an old school Nintendo guy. Okay, me too. Yeah. I was like, first generation, first gen. Yeah, I all of them, and I worked at a video store, so I had endless video game options. So I would just grab it, play it at home. I'd keep it onto the counter if I was in the middle of a game, and I wouldn't let people it's out. I haven't beaten Dracula yet at the end of Castlevania, so I was an old school Nintendo guy, but then I played a little bit. But then I played a little bit. But the point I was trying to make with with the video games is they've become so advanced, yeah, and the worlds have become so huge, like a Minecraft or Warcraft or or these kind of roadblocks, or these kind of games are just literally endless, yes, almost endless environments, endless, still expanding, right? And expanding, expanding. So it's a very rudimentary example of the universe. Yes, definitely. And, and with, and honestly, it's still many levels, but many areas to but it's still most video games are generally just one, one level. Yes, meaning, like it's in today's world, he's kind of like, you know, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. I think in Minecraft, yeah. Like Minecraft, it just You're that one level, but you can transport to higher levels sometimes, or lower levels, like in Super Mario, even, yes, yeah, go into the different worlds. You could do it. But generally, they're all one layer. And the more I think about the universe and video games like we're just emulating, yes, you come in, you have multiple lives. Yeah, to play right now you can come in as an avatar. Yeah? So it's not you can't only just be Mario. Now you can be anything.

Karen Bell 7:10
Oh, I love this conversation because it brings up that notion of who are you really? Because Sarai often talks about coming into contact with your true identity, which is, in this analogy, would be the person playing the game or the the one witnessing. So she'll talk about, you know, if you think of your your human construct, as a computer, your body is the hardware, your mind is the software, but you're the one sitting at the computer, you're the witnessing presence. So if you think of that analogy with a video game, like you're the witnessing presence. You're the one that's always safe. Basically, I find that that analogy of the video game or the simulation helps to ease anxiety. There's a lot of anxiety out there right now, and it's like if you remember that you're the one sitting outside of it, and that that aspect of you is indestructible, then it really soothes any sort of trepidation you might feel about your safety in this reality, or things, things that could go wrong might go wrong worst case scenarios.

Alex Ferrari 8:08
Karen, so if you're Mario and you're trying to dodge barrels being thrown at you by a giant gorilla, yes, that are on fire and all that. Yes, that is, that's the question. Now, the thing is that when you're when you are associating yourself with that character, yeah, the fear is real.

Karen Bell 8:30
Well, that's right, and you're we, part of the game is that you know you you experience that fear, right

Alex Ferrari 8:36
You have to transcend, yeah, I gotta save the princess

Karen Bell 8:39
Your body responds to it. You know, you have this, this human construct. There's a primal aspect to it, that in our nervous system, you know, going into sympathetic all of these, like barrels being thrown at me. So, but I think that's part of the game, is, Can I, can I feel all that? So it's not about not feeling it. Can I be with that? Can I feel all of that? And can I bring love and compassion to my human self that's in that experience, and maybe is overwhelmed sometimes, or is anxious sometimes, or whatever it is, or is afraid of the future, whatever it is, moment you start bringing that love and compassion in, and that comes from this part of yourself that's outside of the simulation, then everything is okay. It's like, okay. I can feel this and I don't have to make it go away. Ironically, that's usually what starts to move it through your system, right? When you bring that compassion to it, not necessarily pushing it out, but just being able to be with it.

Alex Ferrari 9:37
What's so fascinating is this, this notion of associating yourself with the avatar, yes, which is what we all do, yes, yes. And then the Masters, who are on this wall, yes, and many others, they realize the truth, yes, that they are not the avatar. Yes, they are. They are the viewer, the the observer. Yeah, outside, yeah. And that. When you were able to truly understand that at a high, high, deep level, then you transcend this place, yes, definitely, and the need for the place, because now you've learned what you needed to learn in this reality, yeah, and in this experience, because you're like, oh, oh, that's what this game is, yes, yes, no, I don't have to do this again if I don't want to. Yeah, it's, I always use the analogy of an actor. So if, if Joaquin Phoenix thinks he's the Joker when he walks onto a set, yeah, he's the Joker. Yeah, no problem. At the end of the day, shootings done 1012, hours, takes off the Joker outfit, yeah, goes home and lives joaquin's life. Yes, yes. But we think we're the Joker.

Karen Bell 10:42
That's the thing, and that's actually what Sarah is all about, because she talks her main thing, her main message, is finding your true identity. And when we walk the spiritual path, what happens, or at least what's happened, for me, and many people I talk to can relate to this is that we have pockets of remembering who we truly are, and then we forget, right? So you might get up and meditate in the morning or do your spiritual practice, right? And then whatever happens, let's say you go to work, or you know your whatever happens through your day, and all of a sudden you forget, and you lose your center. And so Sarah is always bringing these messages and this sort of she talks about, offering us this broadcast of energy that helps us not only remember who we truly are, but she uses the word anchor. So anchor that remembrance as often as we can, 24/7, ideally. But that might not be possible or reasonable, but as much as we can. So when we find ourselves in difficult situations, we can be like, okay, breathe first of all, that that helps, you know, bring a little life force in and and remind you who you truly are. And then, and then, yeah, recenter, reconnect to yourself and anchor that spiritual connection and that awareness, again, that helps dissipate all the anxiety. Hate to be a broken record, but there's so much happening right now in terms of the broadcast we're receiving from media and even from other people who might be watching media or whatever, there's this broadcast happening of fear, whether or not that's intentional, I feel like on some level, it is intentional, because what it does is it keeps us in that anxious, nervous state where we are disconnected From our higher self, our true self, our true identity, because our system is just trying to survive. It senses there's a threat. The news is on, there's there's some threat in this reality keeps you in that survival state where you're feeling anxious, and in that state, your system's priority is just keeping you alive. It's not spiritual connection, right? It's, I just have to keep myself alive. Ironically, though, what's trying to happen, what's trying to be birthed, is this, you know, this, this ascension process where we are having this awareness of our true identity as these eternal beings, eternal souls. So it's an interesting play right now with the energy, because there's a lot of this broadcast of fear, and then there's, you know, this other energy that's just being born, this awakening that's happening too

Alex Ferrari 13:06
Well it's interesting, because when you're when a populist is afraid, they're much more controllable,

Karen Bell 13:11
100% 100% Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 13:14
Much more control.

Karen Bell 13:15
Preach Alex, yes.

Alex Ferrari 13:16
I mean, they're just, I mean, every, every piece of marketing, yeah, not even the news, but like, you know, brush your teeth, yeah, with our toothpaste, yes. Because if you don't, you will have bad breath, yeah, and you will not be able to find a mate, yes, and you will or lose the one you have because you stink. And this look, it's all fear based, yeah, it's 100% fear based, definitely. And it's constant, and that's the way they sell it. So it's, you're much more open to receiving control, outside control, yeah, where, if you're talking of these Ascended Masters, or even walking masters who are still walking the planet today, or even someone who knows who they truly are, yeah, are centered within themselves. The world could be burning around them, and they are just in peace, yes, very Bucha, like even Christ consciousness. They were just like this, this thing that nothing can really shake me. Yes, it's, it's kind of like, really, when you're playing a video game, you're not once, ever thinking your Mario, right, right, ever, right. Like you're playing Mario, and you might actually feel emotion, yeah, fear, like, Oh my God, he's gonna get me, or, oh my god, I frustrate. But you feel, but you never cross the line of thinking, I'm Mario.

Karen Bell 14:35
I'm Mario with cute little hat,

Alex Ferrari 14:36
With a little hat, and, you know, he's a plumber overall, in the plumber, and, you know, all this kind of stuff. But you never, you never make that jump. But we here, yeah, live as Mario.

Karen Bell 14:48
That's the thing. That's the interesting thing about the spiritual path, because what you're describing with an Ascended Master, what they've really mastered is the art of not letting the external dictate their resonance. Sense, their vibration, their state of being, and so they're so centered, and they so cultivated their spiritual connection with Source energy and with their higher self, that that's where their personal resonance comes from. And that's what I would assert. What makes them ascended, right? Is this higher vibration that they've anchored whereas many of us, as I said, we go out into the world, we might do our spiritual practice hopefully in the morning, and anchor that centered feeling, but then we go out into the world, and then we let the external world. We let the news or whatever's happening start to dictate our vibration, our resonance, and that's where it all kind of falls apart. Falls apart. Yeah. So the key, and it's tricky, not saying it, it isn't tricky, but the key is, really, you know, can I be in this space where I'm so connected to my higher self and source energy? Can I cultivate that so strongly, that and remember that I create my state? And so when I walk into a room, I decide when I'm bringing to that room. I decide what energy I'm bringing to it. I anchor that in my own system, and that's what makes you unshakable in the way that that you're describing. Again, it's, I don't think it's easy. However, there's only a handful. There's a handful. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, here they are on the wall.

Alex Ferrari 16:21
No, they're not all, but let's say there's, you know, over the history, 1000, 2000 ascended masters that we recognize, right? Yeah, how many billions of souls have walked the earth? Right? So it's a very small percentage, but when they do transcend, even like the Maharishi who passed in the thing, late 90s, early, 2000 something around their time. I heard stories of him, when people would walk near him, like walk into the room. He they got intoxicated by their leave that by their by their energy love, yeah, and they could actually spread, yeah, they're there. There's there aura, I guess, their inner energy field,

Karen Bell 16:21
Yep, the aura field

Alex Ferrari 16:24
As far as they really, truly, almost wanted to, and bring it in too, because if they put it out too far, then it just kind of disrupts, yes, three miles away, nothing gets done. Everyone just sits.

Karen Bell 17:16
Everyone's in that bliss state all the time, that kind of state. Yeah, I can believe that, because I think again, when we're when we're starting, I can sometimes feel energetic shifts, you know, when you're starting to to plug in and connect in, and if you're really anchored in that, you can walk into a room and, you know, shift that energy field in the room. Everyone can relate to that sensation of, you know, walking into a room where, let, let's say there's just been an argument or something like that, you feel that you feel the tension, right? You don't even have to, you know, be psychic, you know, in quotes, to really feel that you walk into a room and you feel that tension. And I think the opposite is true too. So if we can cultivate that, and Sir, I talks about how important this is, focusing on our own personal emanation as a way to shift the energy on the planet, because we're all focused on what to do. What do we do? What action do we take? That's important. However, it's not as important as your energy first, because if you cultivate that first, and that's number one, you do go into rooms and affect other people. Number two, you know what to do in that state, like whatever the highest action is, whatever you're meant to do, that would be most helpful for those around you, helpful from for the planet. That's the state of being where you're going to have that idea pop into your head if you're anxious or fearful or worried. It's not that those ideas aren't floating around. It's that you your antenna isn't up to receive it, and so shifting your state, stri talks about this quite a bit, is the most important thing you can do for yourself and the planet right now and then, in terms of you know what to do, in terms of what is my purpose, or all of that action stuff that will come once you start to started to shift and anchor your energy.

Alex Ferrari 19:02
Well, meditations like that. 100% Yeah. You drop the noise down. You drop all that away, yeah. And the deeper you go, that's when things start to come in, pop in, ideas, visions, yeah, all that kind of energy comes in. It's it. I think I always tell people that, like, if you want to change the world, you need to change yourself 100% Yeah, Michael Michael Jackson did in that beautiful song, yes, he sung those years ago, yeah. Like, if you want to change the world, you got to change yourself. And it's so true, because we, you know, I know, that when you walk around and you meet people, you affect them just by being around you. Because you people look at what you're doing and they're like, oh, even if they feel it on a visceral level, or they see you as an example, it shifts them, I hope so, as opposed to you trying to convert something,

Karen Bell 19:52
Yes, yeah, that's the opposite that never works. It does, yeah. But if you're connected to your higher self, your soul. And to source energy. And you know, whatever language you like to use. Sure, I feel like that's what we're all looking for, whether we know it or not. So, and people do pick up on that energetically, whether they're aware of it or not. And so they might just think, oh, you know, what's she doing, or what's he doing, right? And then, and then, that is inspiring to someone else, but we live in a world where we're looking constantly. Most of us are looking outside for the answers, and it's kind of a backwards way of handling it.

Alex Ferrari 20:31
So you were talking a bit about what's going on in the world. It is, you know, I speak about this on the show so much because it's something that is the top of the list of most people, yeah, is because the world is seemingly in a chaotic state. Yeah, getting more chaotic every day, I think, pretty much since the beginning of the decade. Yeah, it seems like it been a hell of a ride. Yes, these last five years hell of a video game. I mean, these last five years have been nothing short of insane. Yeah, really, every year it's like from pandemic and so on. So it we came into this decade, coming in hot, yeah, from January of 2020, who's coughing what?

Karen Bell 21:10
Setting the tone.

Alex Ferrari 21:11
It set the tone for the decade. Yeah. And it seems to be getting more and more chaotic. If you look at the stock market, for God's sakes, what's happening now with the stock market? We've been talking about this kind of stuff coming for a few years on the show, because we all knew this was going to start happening, yeah, for sure, and we still haven't. We haven't seen anything, yes, yeah. And I know that terrifies a lot of people, and it's in I understand that, but if you look at it from the observer, it's very different perspective. Yeah, like, I'm looking at the stock market, and I pulled all my money out of the stock market years ago. Yeah, purely for that reason, because I'm like, I can't, I can't handle it. I can't too much anxiety, too much emotion. I'm like, I'll put it in other things that are safer. Yeah, that don't, that don't jump. But you look literally seeing scared, scared people running from one side of the room to the other side of the room, yeah? And once for sure, emotions, yeah, it's all has no logic in financial Yeah, anything, no profits, or, you know, profits and loss statements or anything. It's all about fear. Yeah, they're just scared. They're terrified of everything coming. And they're just kind of just running all over the place. Would like to hear from your point of view? Answer, rise as well the spiritual lens. What if you look at this whole observing of what's happening? Yeah, and that's just one. I just talked about finance. There's 1000 other Yes, industries and religion and Hollywood and all that stuff that's going on from a spiritual point of view, what is the purpose of this kind of kind of insanity, this chaos that's happening to us right now, this upheaval, the tearing down of old systems, old institutions, it seems chaos for chaos sake. Yeah, to the uninitiated, yeah. So can you explain to people why it's happening?

Karen Bell 22:59
Yeah, there's probably a couple things I could say. The first thing I'll say is, and I just related to my own experience, my own, you know, individual experience in this incarnation. But I would say, for me personally, that it was those really chaotic, difficult experiences that I've had in my life that actually were the greatest awakenings. And so in the moment I can, I'm thinking of a couple different moments, but in the moment I, you know, I would have been praying like God, like, just get me out of this. You know, just wanting something to shift. But when I look back on it, I certainly wouldn't take it away. Because, you know, it was the the reason I started meditating, for example, is like, I cannot deal with this chaos anymore, so I need to really commit. I need to sit myself down and start meditating every day. And then from there, you know, you realize, oh, okay, this is actually, as I said, what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a connection with something bigger, with the Creator, with my true self, my soul self. I mean channeling, sir, I similar to your story about, you know, all of this podcasts, like, I had no intention, no plan on being a channeler, like, none whatsoever.

Alex Ferrari 24:11
So cool. You know, everyone accepts it. I mean, it's like you could just walk into McDonald's and say, Hey guys, I'm channeling. You want to hear that?

Karen Bell 24:18
I just want to be a rock star. Everyone. That's all I really wanted.

Alex Ferrari 24:21
I want to be a filmmaker.

Karen Bell 24:22
Yeah, you went to film school. I went to school to be a recording engineer. That was my plan, right? I wasn't. I wasn't planning any of this so, but it was born from spiritual connection of like, plugging into my true self and being like, oh, there's a plan here that is so much bigger than I am, and if I just surrender to that plan. I mean, this is your story. This is what, what has happened with you too. It's like things just, you start to feel like you're just surfing this wave, and it's not your wave. You're just like, trying to not fall off, basically, but, but trying to. Manage that anyways. My point with that is that that came from chaotic situations in my life. And so when I think we, when we see these larger, chaotic situations, humanity, I would say does is in need of a bit of a wake up call, right? And we're heading, if you look at our trajectory, the direction we're headed, you know, awakening to me anyways, is the answer, because it leads to different actions, different decisions, where we honor things more spiritual principles like interconnection, right and reverence for all of life. So my first thought is that that chaos really is to kind of like a rubber band snapping on people's skin to be like, hey, everyone you know, wake up, because that's when people start asking the deeper questions, when everything is going well and you're sitting out by the pool drinking your drink, and you know, you're getting a tan or whatever. That might just be my

Alex Ferrari 25:57
I use, I use, I use the like, if you're in the Amalfi Coast, on your yacht, drinking champagne and eating a lobster. You're not looking for Jesus,

Karen Bell 26:05
Yeah, exactly. You're not asking that question. Like, what is life all about? Who am I really? Like, is there life after death? Like, you're not asking those questions. But when the world's going to hell in a hand basket, you might ask those questions. So that, to me, I think, is the is the higher purpose? It is anxiety inducing. So we need, we need practices to center ourselves that we do every day, where we remember who we are, and we connect and we plug in, and we shift our energy, and those are things we have to do every day. I don't think it's like a once a week, once a month type of a situation,

Alex Ferrari 26:41
Isn't it interesting? During the 08 crisis, financial crisis, that was our last Yeah, big financial crisis that we had in the in the world, essentially the whole world went down. Yeah? Wait, in that way. You know, there's so many people who started companies during that time and coasted unharmed. I had a little bit of damage, a little bit of dents here and there, but generally speaking, from the moment it started, I was working non stop. My wife was working non stop. We were thriving in that really insane time, yeah. And I always looked at that. I was like, Huh? Not like, we weren't, like, making mad money. We were just, you know, yeah, doing fine, good, yeah, good, you know, we were good, working hard. You know, some working people, you know, having jobs and stuff, but we didn't feel what a lot of our family members felt, our friends felt. And I was like, I wonder, why is that? Like, yeah. I mean, obviously we feel like, Oh, well, someone's watching over us. And maybe we made a couple of right choices along the way, but we looked at it as an observer. Yeah, right. You know, we weren't scared of it because we'd already set things up in a place where, like, Okay, I think we'll be fine, yeah. And then just work started to show up. And so even when everything, if you think that everything is gonna go to hell in a hand basket, yeah, even in the moments when there's the world is seemingly going into hell in a hand basket, yeah, there's people thriving.

Karen Bell 28:13
I 100% agree with that, yeah. And that's what, with all the kind of financial fear that's unfolding right now, I like to remind people of that because, you know, we want to, when it comes to making money, this is sort of the way that I think of it. Money doesn't really come from a job. It comes from an idea. And you can have an idea to go get a job, but you can also have an idea to start a podcast, or, you know, there's a millions of other ideas, and again, those ideas come from a state of alignment. So if you're in fear, you're not going to get the idea of what's going to what you could do to that would support you and your family. So we want to again, shift our state and be in that calm place so that we can be creative. Right there. Are talking about this last week because my My son loves YouTube, and he loves Minecraft and and, and I'm watching these YouTube channels of just kids playing Minecraft. Oh, yeah, millions of subscribers.

Alex Ferrari 29:06
That would have been me and Nintendo days. Yeah, started YouTube.

Karen Bell 29:10
Yeah, that would have been awesome. I would have done that. I would have watched it, but, but, you know, like, like, like, think of all the different ways that people are making money. And, you know, so when it comes to sort of securing our well being, because we do need money to function in this reality, but we we want to recognize when we're in fear and just start to let, let our our primary intention not be trying to figure out how to make more money or or other that. But we need to shift our state so that we can be more creative, right there are, there is a need right now for for certain things. We were talking about this earlier, and so asking yourself, well, what are the needs of people right now? I think human connection is a huge, massive need that people overlook. You know. Since the pandemic, when we were all isolated, and for the first, I don't know, few months of the pandemic, you know, I'm more of an introvert. So I was thinking, this is, this is good times. But you know, I really did realize that how much we even an introvert, how much, you know, we all need human connection right now, and it is something that soothes speaking state, our state of being. It is something that soothes our state to be with a friend or to have a conversation, not a text, but like an actual conversation, where we can hear each other's voices and and see each other's expression and being part of community. So there's, there's a, there's a lot of needs right now that people have. So I think the question is, what is the need, and how can I fill that need?

Alex Ferrari 30:43
Yeah, absolutely. And anyone who's ever had a child, yes, especially those first three years, I have to call that the weeds,

Karen Bell 30:52
Yeah, especially you, because you have twins,

Alex Ferrari 30:54
That's true. Yeah, when you, when you, when you went to those three years, having an adult conversation, yeah, it's kind of, you're so isolated because your world is around the child, yeah, especially that first year, like, it's all about them. You're watching, you know, Sophia the First Yeah, you're watching Jake and the pirates. You're watching Mickey Mouse Club. And you're like, hot dog, hot dog, hot diggity dog. Like, that's all you get. Like, all you have is this the kids stuff, kids stuff, kids stuff, all the time, talking to kids, kids, and then you have an adult conversation about adult things. You're just like,

Karen Bell 31:26
It's amazing.

Alex Ferrari 31:28
Just like, can we just talk about something else? Yeah, anything else besides the hot dog? Hot dog?

Karen Bell 31:34
Yeah, no more bluey for just a moment. No more blue I have a funny story about that, because I have a friend with twins, and I remember when they were really young, this is hilarious, but she had a dentist appointment, and it was like, one of the only times where she was able to leave the house and be by herself. And she was telling me just how awesome her den. She just got to lay there alone, like without the kids, by herself. And I'm like, it's probably the only time someone has, like, really enjoying bliss over their dental appointment and getting their teeth scraped.

Alex Ferrari 32:07
I can imagine, yeah,

Karen Bell 32:09
Just think of a mom with twins, and you're nursing them and all that. Like, I know. Just give me a little break from these babies

Alex Ferrari 32:15
Exactly, so when, so as we're, as we're kind of maneuvering through this time. Yeah. How can people connect with the energy of the great shift? Connect to the higher, the higher self, more than resisting? Because I think where the pain, as Buddha would say, yeah, the pain is resisting things that you can't control. Yes, that's so true. The only thing that you can control is inside, how you react to these things and how to kind of transcend what's happening around you. And I know we're talking kind of woowoo, yeah. And we're kind of talking airy fairy, you know, like, Dude, look, man, I got, I got bills to pay. You know, my rents do. I can't just meditate my way out of that, right? I get that stuff. But while you're figuring out the material world to be able to connect to your spiritual world, because the higher you can connect internally, yeah, these things start to fix themselves 100% I've seen it happen in my life. Would you agree?

Karen Bell 33:13
True! Yeah. I mean, again, I think it's again thinking of this, thinking of yourself as a sort of antenna or a radio receiver, which might be too I mean, you and I get that, yes, I don't know if the younger generation does, but it's like you are, are tuned to a frequency all the time, and you you are. We forget this, but we are ultimately in charge of what station we are we are on. So if you're letting the external world dictate what station you're on and what your energy is, it's going to be difficult for you to climb out of survival, because that's where the dominant frequency is, right now with human consciousness. So I think of, I like to think of our collective consciousness as this unified field that vibrates at a specific frequency, right? So think of where the collective is. It's probably survival or somewhere around there. So that's where people are are, if they're picking up on the media or even their friends and family who are on on that wavelength, it's going to be very hard to to get out. You have to rise above, right? It's going to be hard to transcend that. So again, what we need to do is is sort of shut it all off and and and shift our frequency. The way that I do that is through meditation and things like breath work and yoga. And I even think like little decisions, like what you eat every day, all of those lifestyle decisions, I think those are more important than people realize. Oh, huge. Because even when we eat right work, the food has a frequency. The food has an energy that's becoming our body. And so just, you know, to me, it's about a whole bunch of little things that when you bring them all together, it's a big thing, right? And it has to do with taking good care of yourself. Energetically. Again, we're trying to rise above that dominant frequency so that we can bring a different frequency to the planet. Right? Now, that's what the planet is. In need of so when it comes to even, like, people often ask me, like, what's my purpose? What action? What decision Should I make? What what action? But it's not really about the action first. It's about the energy first, and then you could just, you could, I mean, you could be serving humanity, just by, you know, I don't know, doing a very simple, easy job that's not necessarily spiritual, but again, you're broadcasting that frequency out, and you're affecting everybody around you, right? And the easy and when I think of like an Ascended Master, like Jesus, for example, that's what he was doing. He was this emanation, helping everybody, raising everybody up into his energy, as opposed to being, letting his resonance be dictated by the external so

Alex Ferrari 35:43
He didn't raise everybody's

Karen Bell 35:45
No, not everybody.

Alex Ferrari 35:46
No. He tried.

Karen Bell 35:47
He tried.

Alex Ferrari 35:48
There was a few that didn't like what he was doing,

Karen Bell 35:50
That weren't picking up what he was putting it out

Alex Ferrari 35:53
Wasn't smoking, right? Exactly. You brought up a very interesting point, which I've really never spoken about on the show before, is the power of what we not only what we ingest with food, yeah, but what we ingest with media, what we ingest, they all have energies to it, but to focus on the food for a second. A lot of people go, Hey, I tried meditating. But, you know, I feel still this. I feel, I don't feel the energy and like this or that, and I feel still very fearful or this or that, yeah, but if you meditate for 20-30, minutes, let's say, and then you go out and have cocktails, yep? And have, you know, Big Mac, Big Mac, or process, yeah, a process, fast food or something like that, yeah, I don't know, and I'd have to ask a guru one day of yogi or someone I'm like, what effect that truly and I will ask you this question, yeah, but what effect this truly has on your spiritual being? Because if you look at the Masters, they all had very specific diets, very, very light diets, very connected to nature, diets. Some were vegetarian. Some ate meat, you know, mostly leaned more towards a plant based diet. Listen, guys, I don't care if you eat steak. I'm in Texas. You can eat barbecue if you want. There's a lot of steak here. There's a lot of steak here. But generally, and that's a very sensitive subject for a lot of what to eat. But I'm just saying, if you look at the Masters, and you look at what they ate and how they ate. Um, there's some, there's some signs there. What would you what would you think?

Karen Bell 37:27
So in the on this topic, it is, it is a sensitive topic, I would say. And I think there's a few things to keep in mind. Number one, that we are. We all are such individuals. So everybody is so diverse, and so, and we may need different different different foods, depending on what phase of life for, depending on what we're going through. I know, after I had my son, I had and I was nursing him, I had very different needs than you know, when I'm not right, he ate like crazy. I couldn't keep up with it. So, so I think it's really important to, again, be attuned to what, what the wisdom of your body is actually drawn to. Because I know, even, like, I've been a vegetarian for probably, I don't know, 35 years or so, and a vegan, mostly vegan for a long time as well. And that's what I've I've always been drawn to. However, when I look back, there were definitely moments where I was in my head about it. So not not necessarily following the wisdom of my body, but just trying to be a good vegan and right, and falling into that you get, you get caught up in the label. Yeah, you get caught up in the label. Now, listening to this exactly. So I think what's important is to recognize that your body has an incredible intelligence, and so when you start to pay attention, then you can really hone in on what you need from moment to moment, day to day. I do think that a lighter diet, and I do think just honoring the fact that, again, food, every food, vibrates at a different frequency. I do. I feel like plants carry more of that light energy. They're alive. Yeah, they're alive. And so I've always been drawn to eating a more plant based diet. There have been phases in my life which I find interesting, where I've been drawn to just eating raw vegan for a few months, and then

Alex Ferrari 39:11
That's rough. Yeah, it's intense. It's intense. I did that for two weeks. Once Did you? Yeah, holy. How did it go? I lost a lot of weight, a lot it was, it was delicious, but it was so much work. It's a lot of work. You're not just eating carrots and celery, you know, like you're building these beautiful meals that were dehydrating thing. Oh no, no, no. It was insane.

Karen Bell 39:32
It's a lot of work. You feel so good. I remember someone saying to me, I was, I was complaining about the amount of work. And I remember someone saying to me, Well, what's what? There's no work. Just pick it up and eat it, right? But it's not really like that. You know, you're, you're making dehydrated breads, and you're making juices, and, yeah, it's a lot, but you know, again, I would do it for a few weeks, or even, you know, up to three, three months, three, four months, and then there. Be a point where my body would be like, okay, you know, just go back. You were good. Now go back to however. So I don't know what that's about, but it's, it's, I find it really interesting if you just start to follow the wisdom of your body. Now, one thing that's really important to notice, though, is that not everybody's connected to their body, connected to their body wisdom, right? Oh yeah. Many people are kind of dissociated where they're they're not actually aware that they even have a body. Really, like, I remember, actually, when I started doing yoga. I had been doing yoga for a few months. I remember being in a class, and all of a sudden, you would have thought I was on drugs or something, because I started looking at my hands and being like, it's all body. Oh, like, I have a body what? But what it was is that it was starting me. It was I was starting to feel the life force in my body, whereas I had never really felt that before, like the flow of energy and the the prana and the life force, and where is the energy in my body? And that came from doing yoga. I didn't even realize I was disconnected from my body until I felt the opposite. And so, you know, if we are in these lifestyles that are sedentary, and we're not really eating well and we're not really sleeping well, then you could very well be disconnected from your body. And so then the first task would be, how do I get my energy and my awareness back so I can start to feel my body? Your body will tell you what it wants to eat, what when it wants to sleep, and what it wants to do, but we have to be connected to that wisdom. We have to focus on plugging into that

Alex Ferrari 41:28
And that goes along with everything else we've been saying is like the the answers are within Yes, oh, it's never, they're never without. The outside will guide you, yeah, certain books, certain ideas, certain teachings, will guide you. But the answers all live within you, both in the physical yeah and in the ethereal,

Karen Bell 41:46
Yeah. It's such a good point, right? Because even when we get on a spiritual path, sometimes we start to disconnect from our physicality, the physicality of our body, not recognizing like no, this physical part is really important and has wisdom too. And I often talk about your, your physical body in an in and of itself. It's a sort of psychic antenna, meaning, like, like, you could, you could meet somebody and notice, oh, my body, all my muscles. Why are all my muscles contracting right now? Why is my entire body tensing up? Well, that's like an intuitive message. Your body's picking up on the energy of that other person and giving you a message through that contraction, Oh, I feel that all the time. Or you can feel the opposite, right? So we really have to be pay attention, not only to our energy body and all the awesome woo, woo stuff we talked about, but also just the practical like, how is my body responding to this person? How's my body responding to this food? What messages is my body every time you have like, an ache, or a pain or an illness or whatever that's I believe your body's speaking to you as well.

Alex Ferrari 42:44
Have you ever you've done muscle testing?

Karen Bell 42:46
Yes, I did it in the other room. Yeah, I do it

Alex Ferrari 42:49
A question. Nope.

Karen Bell 42:54
The quickest way to make a decision, Alex, it is. It's amazing. Just like, okay, when I when I need to make a decision on the spot. I just asked my body

Alex Ferrari 43:02
Well, I've done, I did muscle I've been doing muscle testing for years, yeah, and what I find fascinating with it, and this will, kind of will conclude with this, as far as the body stuff is concerned. But if anyone just wants to test how certain things affect them,

Karen Bell 43:16
Oh, yeah, that's huge.

Alex Ferrari 43:18
So this is, you don't have to eat it,

Karen Bell 43:20
Yeah! Just have to put it near you. Just have to hold it in your hand, or, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 43:24
So there's two things I used to do. I would have a little packet of sugar, yeah, of raw sugar. And then I would have Sweet and Low, oh, poison. And I would say exactly, or Splenda, or any of these kind of, like alternative artificial ones, yeah. So I would, I would put them in two envelopes, yeah. And I would shake them around so you didn't know which one was right. And I would put it I give somebody. I'm like, hold it to your chest, yeah. I go, put your arm up, yeah. And I'm like, I'm just gonna go with one finger. I'm gonna go down that way, yeah, and see what would happen. And if it was strong, I would, okay, let's mark that one strong, and then the other one come in. I'll go, Okay, let's do this one. And then the arm would just drop. Oh, Sweet and Low, man, it was dropped. And they're like, Okay, this one dropped, let's open up. Obviously, which one was what? And they're like, it's always it never fails. It never failed. The sugar, the natural sugar, arm was solid, yeah, but the artificial hurt them. And then I go, Here, take this bottle of rum. And hold this bottle of rum, yeah? Which is, you know, alcohol is poison. We all know it's poison, yeah, yeah, fun sometimes. But poison,

Karen Bell 44:29
Fun, but poisonous.

Alex Ferrari 44:31
It's up to you. And hold it to your and then try, yeah, to have any sort of strength, yeah, it's insane. So imagine or take a, take a fast food McDonald's, yeah, Happy Meal. Put a happy meal next to you and see what happens. It does affect your, your your body, yes, in a big, big way. And it's so difficult to evolve spiritually when your body is not at full force, or at least at a baseline. That makes sense. So it's something that people don't talk about very often.

Karen Bell 45:03
Yeah, I remember the reason I said poison, by the way, when you talk about sweetener is I used to be a big Diet Coke head, believe it or not, like many years ago, used to be big on the diet coke, very addicted to it. And around the time, yeah, it tastes so good. I still when I'm on an airplane, I was just on an airplane yesterday. I'm like, the cart comes by. I'm like, oh, I want a Diet Coke. I just have water. Anyways, I remember, you know, I just, I this was when my intuition and my psychic ability was just starting to make itself known. And I remember every time that I would grab a Diet Coke, I would hear poison in my ear, poison. It was like someone was whispering in my ear. Poison, poison, poison, to the point where I was like, I can't ignore this anymore. And I got off of it. It took a while. It's not easy to come off of it. But, yeah, you really want to pay attention to all of your every message you're getting, whether that's physically or clairvoyantly clairaudient. You know, it's really important.

Alex Ferrari 46:01
So would you I love to bring Sarai, yes, yeah, and we can have a little conversation, a little conversation, though, yes, little conversation. All right, so explain to people how and how you do your channeling. Yep, because everyone's different. Yes, energy is different, and how you feel when you're doing it. And, yeah,

Karen Bell 46:23
Yeah, it's, it's interesting. So I started channeling, sort of as a byproduct of learning trance mediumship. So trance meaning, all that means is that I'm in an altered state. So my brain waves are in an altered state. So, so usually what I do is, I just need a few minutes to sit and when, when she starts to blend with me, then I go into an altered state. My experience is that I kind of step off. My consciousness steps off to the right, and she comes in on the left. It's not so much taking over my body as it is a broadcast. So it's this energy coming through. I can still hear what's being said, but I usually forget what is offered, you know, within 20-30, minutes after, it's almost like trying to remember a dream. Yeah, and I often use an essential oil just to sort of help put me in that relaxed, calm state. So,

Alex Ferrari 47:13
And when this first happened again, can you tell people, yeah, yeah, you thought you were going crazy.

Karen Bell 47:19
Well, yes, I've had a few moments in on this journey where I thought I was going crazy. So you know, every time I acclimate to a level, then it is like that video game again, where I'm like, Oh, next level, and then I have to acclimate to feeling crazy all over again. But no, I was meditating one day. This is how, sir, I first came in. I was I had again committed to this meditation practice. And about three months in, I started to experience this, what looked to me like a blue orb on my left hand side, and it was just this, this kind of blue ball of energy. Felt really loving, really peaceful, and I started to really look forward to meditation, because, you know, that sensation was beautiful. I didn't recognize that was a being until a few months later. But over time, there was this communication that started happening. So I started taking notes, like keeping a pen and paper there, and writing down what she would say to me. And then, you know, I was leading a meditation, and she just started talking through me. So that was, that was fun few years ago, yeah. And so I sort of again, I was in an altered state in this meditation. And then I came out, and I just just like, Oh, that wasn't me talking. That was like, this guide that I had been, you know, connecting with in meditation. So it just sort of has evolved from there. So then I, you know, she started speaking when I was leading meditation in groups and that sort of thing. And here we are. She just showed up. She just showed up. Yeah, it's very rude. From my here's the thing, they do need our permission, yeah. So, so, so I did. You were open. You were looking I was I was open. And from my understanding, what I've what I've realized, is that, you know, there was a an agreement to do this, probably before I was even born. So So yeah, because she feels very much like I've known her forever, right? She She even feels like a sort of aspect of me in another dimension, in a sense which I could go into that would be sort of a long story, but long story short, yeah, it's just, it's a really comfortable feeling for me. It's, it's healing for me to bring her in. So,

Alex Ferrari 49:21
All right, I'm looking forward to seeing her again. Now you're using your essential oil.

Karen Bell 49:27
Yeah. So the here's the thing about the oils. I use this oil when I meditate, and so what it does is it helps train my brain to associate the scent with that, with that Brainwave. That's very powerful. Yeah. So that's a little little trick. Little trick. A little hack, channeling. Hack, if you want to, or even, not even just channeling, but if you want to feel calm in the middle of the day, if you meditate in the morning, use an oil. And then later in the day, if you're uptight or anxious or whatever, just put it just Yeah. It'll remind your body of that, of that state.

Alex Ferrari 50:00
That's when you smell mom's apple pie. Yeah, exactly all I remember. Yeah, I felt so cool and warm and protected. Had no stress. It just eats exactly the entire pie and not worry about it. Yes, exactly metabolism was so much

Karen Bell 50:14
For me. It's turkey because, which is weird, because I've been a vegetarian so long, but my mom used to make turkey, you know, and all of the big holidays, Christmas, Thanksgiving, and just so the smell reminds me of celebration and presents.

Alex Ferrari 50:27
Yeah, so it was, is that association?

Karen Bell 50:29
Yeah, even though, like, I don't eat meat, it's just, it's like the smell of it just makes me feel happy, because I think of my mom, and I think of Christmas morning,

Alex Ferrari 50:39
And smell is actually more powerful than music or sound, I think so. Yeah, they did testing on it. Like, smell is the strongest thing. When you smell something, it takes you,

Karen Bell 50:49
It hits a certain area of your brain, right? And you're just back there. Yeah, for sure.

Alex Ferrari 50:54
Oh yeah. I walk into, I go to Miami, and I I walk into a Cuban, a Cuban restaurant, like an authentic Cuban restaurant. I go, I'm like, Oh, I'm back, I'm back. Like, I'm all, I'm back with grandma, and she's cooking. It's like, so quick, instant, yeah, instant feeling of comfort, yes, it's amazing. So this is a great little hack,

Karen Bell 51:15
Yeah, it is. It does work.

Alex Ferrari 51:16
Oh, I can smell it here, yeah.

Karen Bell 51:17
Can you smell it? Yeah? Oh, it smells great. Yeah. And so we've been looking forward to this interaction, and we appreciate your participation with this interaction. And where we'd like to begin on this day, what we'd like to speak about, at least initially, is this topic that you've already touched on, which is the topic of true identity. And so just taking a moment to start to deepen your breathing, all those listening start to deepen your breath, start to draw some of your energy and attention to your physical body, to this present moment, no matter when you are watching or where you are when you're watching, you are united in this one sacred, precious present moment, just feeling into the space within you, the space all around you, feeling into the light within you, feeling into the light within you, Light within me, focusing on the center of the heart, the center of the chest, and sensing a brilliant diamond white light there at the center of the chest. And as you focus on that light, the light begins to grow and expand, feeling your physical body, feeling your auric field, feeling even the room that you sit in again, no matter where you are or when you are watching, you are expanding your light, focusing on your light, filling the room with your light. As you fill the room with your light, you amplify your awareness of this light as your true identity. What's true is that many of you are suffering from a case of mistaken identity. You have forgotten your true identity as this indestructible being of light, this emanation of source, this beautiful, incredible, divine being that you are here experiencing this incarnation, one of many incarnations, really feel how incredibly precious you are and how precious this human vessel or this human construct is. This vessel or this incarnation, this construct will appear only for the blink of an eye. It may seem like there are times when your life is dragging on, particularly in moments of anxiety or worry or stress or chaos, and you feel that things are dragging on. And when will this end? And how am I going to get out of this? Just step back for this moment and center yourself in this seat of observer, the seat of of witness, the seed of the soul, and start to recognize that each and every moment in this incarnation is incredibly precious. It's incredibly rare, it's incredibly unique. Each and every moment is divine, and so no matter what is unfolding or what is happening, if you can center yourself in your true identity, you will be able to handle that situation with grace and with the support of your true self, your Higher Self, your spirit, Team your guides and guardians, your loved ones, and with Source energy. And so take a deep breath in this moment. As you exhale, relax your physical body as if each and every cell could relax, soften, sink down into your seat, even take a moment to let the eyes close for just a moment. As you close your eyes, what you will realize or recognize is that your awareness of your true identity expands ever so slightly. You're more aware of subtle energy. You're. More aware of your true identity when you close your eyes. And so we would say, with the eyes closed, if the physical body was not present, what would remain.

And that's a beautiful practice to start to tune you in, make you aware of your true identity. If you practice that every day, your awareness of your true self, your true identity, grows stronger. And for all those listening to this broadcast, this is the reason you are here at this time to tune into your true identity and to broadcast that energy as an emanation outwards in all directions, to be of assistance to the planet at this time. So with all that in mind, what questions do you have? What sort of conversation shall we have together?

Alex Ferrari 55:57
Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for that opening as well. My first question is that the as the world seems to be falling into more and more chaos, and things are becoming a lot more fearful out there. What can you what kind of tools, spiritual tools, can we do to align ourselves a bit more with our higher self and become more of the observer versus the participant in a lot of this energy that is happening to humanity right now?

Karen Bell 56:26
Yes. So a very simple, easy practice would just be to notice how your energy body shifts in relation to where you place your attention. And so if you place your attention on the chaos of the world, the media broadcasts, perhaps what your friends or family members are saying to you, if they are in fear or anxiety, if you place your attention there, then your entire energy body will start to vibrate in unison, in resonance with that broadcast. That's a very important thing to recognize, because it makes you more aware of what you are consuming energetically and in relation to the media, in relation to your attention. And so the easiest way to shift your energy body is to start to focus your attention in a different area. And so we would suggest that in the quiet moments of meditation that you start to focus your attention, either at the center of the heart or in the area above the crown of the head, approximately 12 to inches, 12 to 18 inches above the crown of the head, start to draw your attention there. There are these Radiant beams, balls of light at those two locations that help you become more aware of your true identity. If you focus on these higher vibrations within you or above the head, you will start to resonate. Your entire energy body will start to resonate with that frequency. So again, it's a matter of where you place your attention.

Alex Ferrari 58:06
How can we discern between helpful chaos and destructive energy that's happening?

Karen Bell 58:14
Well, in a sense, you could look at it this way, in the sense that all chaos is helpful, and we would say, in the sense that all chaos that you experience creates a desire within you, and that desire is very much like planting a seed. If you water that seed, then it will begin to grow and sprout, and you will receive the benefits of that chaos. We would say, you could say that the destructive chaos is when the seed is planted, but you don't take care of it, and so nothing grows from it. Nothing sprouts from it. So there's a lot of chaos in your world right now. And what we would the way that we would describe it, is it has yet to sprout. In other words, there's yet to be a benefit from the chaos. Now. Will there be in the future? We feel that there, there will be again if you focus your attention on the benefit. In other words, what good could come out of this situation? What lesson could I learn? How could we take this difficult or chaotic situation and learn from it, grow from it, change from it, create a better situation for all involved, we would say the main point that is difficult at times on your planet right now is that individuals are at a level of consciousness where they do not yet sense the interconnection of life, and so they are creating chaos for themselves and for others because they believe that they're separate. They don't see how their energy, their words, their actions, affects the whole and so again, just putting it back into simplicity, really, when you feel into your true identity, one of the things you recognize is that you are just a piece of the puzzle. You are in this web of life. On the planet, and so your words, your actions, your thoughts, your behavior, influences all those in the web of life.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:08
Well, how do we shift from survival mode to a spiritual thriving?

Karen Bell 1:00:13
Well, it starts with we would say, to shift out of survival, you have to recognize that you are only in survival because part of your human construct perceives a threat. In other words, you're scared. There is something that feels threatening to your human system, and so that's what you want to address. First, you want to ask really delve deep within and start to ask yourself, I sense this anxiety. I'm in this survival mode. So what is it? What is it that I'm afraid of? And then you start to bring an energy field of love and compassion to the aspect of the human, the human avatar that is hurt or scared or in that difficult place. You don't try to shove it under a rug or sweep it under a rug. You don't try to get rid of it. You bring love and compassion to it. If you think of how a mother would sue the child if a child was in fear or scared, she wouldn't just brush that child off. She wouldn't say You're imagining things. She wouldn't say you could do better or just snap out of it. She would bring love and compassion and understanding. She'd bring that energy, that frequency, to the child, so that the child feels safe. And so the way out of survival is really to recognize your human avatar is feeling threatened by something. And so the mother in this analogy is your Higher Self, your true self, this witness, the observer bringing that energy in, that energy of love, that energy of compassion, that energy of understanding, that energy of soothing, it's all right, everything's going to be okay. You're safe. Now I'm here with you. That's the voice of your higher self speaking to your human you have to bring that energy in so that your human self your human avatar, again, we enjoy very much the metaphor of the video game, but you want to bring the energy of the observer to the human avatar so that the Human avatar can start to relax and feel safe. And whatever it takes to do that many of you, what it takes to do that is to start to shut shut yourselves off from the broadcasts that are influencing you and causing you to be in anxiety, causing you to fear, causing you to be disconnected from your true identity.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:40
What is fear trying to teach us on a soul level, while we're in this incarnation?

Karen Bell 1:02:44
Fear serves you in the sense that it gives you this contrasting experience about in relation to who you truly are. So if you think of this human we will once again go back to this analogy of a video game, because we very much like that. So think of this, this reality, as a simulation or construct or a game. And there are certain rules of the game, and we would say one of the rules is, is that there is a large spectrum of energy and frequency. Some of those energies represent your true identity, your Source Self, your connection with spirit, and some of those energies, those frequencies, represent the absence of those things. So we would say fear is on that end of the spectrum that represents the the absence of your true self. Now why does that serve you? It serves you because it's only through that duality that you can recognize and feel into who you truly are, you need the opposite in order to have that awakening, that awareness, that discernment between those two polarities and so fear serves you in the sense that when you can recognize the sensation, what it feels like what your experience is, and also what arises in your physical experience when you are in that place of fear and you don't shift out of it, what arises in terms of your reflective reality? What arises in the face of that, if you can start to recognize that okay, I am in fear. I feel this fear. It feels real. What do I want to feel or what would feel better? How can I shift myself out? You'll recognize that all of those higher frequencies that are more reflective of your true identity always feel better to your physical vessel, your physical being. You have a sensation of joy or bliss or harmony or well being. You have a sense of health, wholeness, reverence, all of those sensations, experiences and vibrations represent in this simulation. They represent the the alignment or the connection with your true self. And so when you start to notice that this is the game. So. Rooms. Some levels in the game are very dark, but ultimately, what I'm doing is I'm gravitating back towards the light. I wanted to experience the dark so that I could know the light. So you are moving yourself through again, through your own focusing of your attention. You are moving yourself from darkness to light from the perspective of your soul. When you are in, let's say, the non physical reality. So when you are centered in that space where you have not yet turned the console on, on the game and so you're in that observer standpoint, you are fully aligned, fully connected with who you truly are as this being of light when you incarnate and you experience that darkness, although it may seem chaotic or even very difficult to your human personality self, to your soul, it's exhilarating, because that that contrast, that duality, is exhilarating to your soul in the sense that it's very Much like when a loved one leaves for a while. Let's say they go on a trip one week, two weeks, six months, and they leave and they come back, and you have that sensation that you you almost feel the love between you amplified because you have experienced what it's like to be disconnected from them or apart from them, and when they come back, it's almost like you you feel like you might love them even more. That's the sensation for the soul, as it experiences the disconnection and the darkness, and as it experiences its journey back to self awareness, self realization, there's an exhilaration that is amplified by your experience of darkness here. And so this is why, when you return to the non physical that as difficult as some of your incarnations are, the first thing you say when you return to non physical is, let's do it again.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:53
Let's do it again.

Karen Bell 1:06:56
Let's go back and do it all again. And you often do that with similar with the souls that you've cultivated, energies and frequencies and relations with. In this incarnation, you return to non physical, and then you make your way back to physical again with those same souls, because it's joyful and it's fun, and even though sometimes it is stressful, you always return to where you came from. You always return to that point where nothing has gone wrong and you are this indestructible being nothing has truly harmed you, physically or energetically or emotionally. So if you start to feel, the trick is to start to feel in this moment who you are, beyond the form and beyond this incarnation, you start to feel into that so you can make that transition back to Bliss before you leave this physical body. That is the key and the trick.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:52
When you were saying that Ascended Masters, ascended masters like Yeshua, Buddha, Yogananda, and there are many 1000s of them. Over the course of humanity's history, they choose not to come back. Generally speaking, maybe they come back. What is your insight on that?

Karen Bell 1:08:12
They do sometimes come back for the purpose of service. So they do. Keep in mind that when you are starting to feel into these beings that you refer to as Ascended Masters. Again, keep in mind that the label Ascended Masters is just a term you give to a being who is vibrating at a certain frequency. We would say, understand that frequency, that vibration, is one that is very connected, if not a match, to source, to source energy, to that which you call God, very much connected to aligned with that energy of unconditional love. And so when an Ascended Master does come back, it does so from that emanation of love where it so loves all of creation, and all of sources creation, all beings that it comes back in service to those beings, to help them find the light, to move forward, to find that higher frequency so they do not come back. We would say often, although that's even a difficult term, because in non physical the experience of time is different, but we would say when they do come back, it is because they feel a pull to be of service, and that comes from the vibration, or the resonance, of unconditional love.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:34
There's this concept that has been floated on the show by many other teachers, which is hard for most people to wrap their head around, which is that there is no past, there is no future, all things are happening at once. That is true. Can you explain that in a layman's way for someone to understand?

Karen Bell 1:09:54
We can seek to explain it, but we would say the limitation that you're all dealing with. Is the human mind and the way that the human mind operates. And again, it's part of this simulation or this construct that the human mind was designed to think and operate in terms of linear time, a to b. And so the difficulty with fix with expressing or even experiencing simultaneous time is that your minds are not wired to receive that in a way that it could easily be understood, similar to a way that you could not teach algebra to perhaps a four year old. Perhaps there's some that you could but what we are saying is it's a it's a little bit beyond the human mind's understanding. What we have shared with Karen is that when you think of this idea of past lives, they are actually we prefer the term parallel lives, because what occurs is that your soul is having all of these incarnations at the same time. They're happening simultaneously, and you are interconnected with those other aspects of yourself, energetically and telepathically. And so what's more true than this, A to B concept of linear time is expansive time. So the way that we've shown Karen and described to Karen, and the way that we'll seek to convey it to you in this moment, is if you think of time as a sphere that is unfolding and expanding outwards in all directions, that is more, we would say, more closer to the truth about time. And so when you think of that in relation to your parallel incarnations, what's what's actually unfolding with your parallel incarnations is that each lived experience is shifting all of your other parallel incarnations, and they are all unfolding, evolving, expanding at once. So one more thing we'll say about that is that you experience in this reality. You experience what you think to be this physical experience, this physical reality. We would point out that there are other potentials that are just as real as this reality, and they're all existing at the same time as you are experiencing this one. So this is what we mean by in your lifetimes, you're expanding outwards. Because what happens is as your as your other parallel lives, as they unfold and you grow and expand, then all other lives shift to a higher timeline. That's the easiest way we can we can describe it again, not easy to understand from your linear minds perspective, but perhaps you can start to feel into whether that's true or not. The interesting thing about that is that as you become aware of your parallel lives, you realize that healing transpires across all lifetimes, and so sometimes you have a glimpse of another fractal of yourself in another experience, and in that moment, you're starting to energetically and telepathically interact to help each other grow and evolve. Isn't that interesting? It's like a very bizarre sci fi movie that you can't quite wrap your mind around, but that you think is really cool. And so as you connect with each other, communicate with each other, help each other, then both timelines shift to a higher frequency, or a higher timeline, meaning you get to experience the same incarnation at a higher frequency.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:18
So I have to ask you, Sarai everything we've talked about in regards to, you know, past lives, future lives, parallel lives, all these things are going on. I have to ask you a simple question, what is the point of all of this, of creation of experiences, of going to different realms and different levels and all the different universes and different incarnations and ex, you know, feeling all this stuff and going to the other side and hanging on the Akashic records and all this kind of all these things. What is the point of all of this?

Karen Bell 1:13:57
Well, that's a beautiful question, and we could explain that in very simple terms we can elaborate, but the simplest answer we'll offer first is that is because it is very fun to do so, if you think of again, this analogy as a video game, of a video game or a simulation, why do you play the video game? Well, because it's interesting. I'm having all these experiences. I'm meeting all these other souls. I'm having this experience. And it's quite enjoyable to sit down and have this experience that leads us into the next concept, though, because oftentimes when people ask about the purpose of life, we've, we've, we've expressed this notion of the three E's, which we may have expressed before. We're not sure if we did on the last interaction, but the three E's are experience expression and evolution. So you're here for the experience. You're here to express your soul self, your soul signature, your soul frequency, out into the world, and then as a result of those. First two, you evolve, you grow, you change, and then again, as we said, you start the whole cycle over, again, again. That's coming from linear time, but the simplest explanation is because it's enjoyable, it's fun, it's expansive. And again, the entire universe is holding this expansive quality. It's in your nature to expand, to evolve, to grow, to unfold. If you keep that philosophy in your mind, though, that I'm here for the enjoyment of it, for the experience, for the fun, that doesn't mean that everything will always go well. In fact, it you will all experience difficulty, stress and some degree of chaos. But if you can keep it in your in your mind, in your heart, that you're here, because the experience is fun for your soul. It is enjoyable. It is again, as we spoke earlier, of that contrast, it is actually fun for my soul to have this experience of difficulty, and then when I return to my awareness of my true nature, there's that sense of expansion and a relief and relief that occurs afterwards.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:05
What do you see for humanity in these next 5, 10, years? Because these this decade has been a heck of a ride so far

Karen Bell 1:16:13
It has. We would say that as we peer out into your future, we'd like to bring it back to the present moment, and remind you that each and every one of you is experiencing your own individual timeline, and this is a very interesting time to be alive, because what's unfolding is, we would say, we put it in in in these words, you are at all at a choice point, And the choice is, do you want to continue along this trajectory that you have been on, which is a trajectory of separation, level of consciousness of separation, level of consciousness of unawakeness, of sleepiness. Do you want to continue on that road, on that path, or do you want to shift into something bigger and brighter and more expansive. For those listening to this broadcast, we would say the latter would be more alluring to most of you if you were are to shift into that higher trajectory, that higher path, we wish to offer some words of comfort, because we feel life would be a little bit easier for you than if you choose to stay asleep. And by easier, what we mean is that life will start to carry you, because again, you're coming at your life from this place of recognizing your true identity as a soul and then starting to surrender to that so understand, from the lower frequency perspective, it is very much all about control. You think you're separate. You think you are in it for yourself, you are in this survival mode, and that is a space of fear. And so the result of that is you are seeking to control everything, control your life, control circumstance, control every other being around you, it's a very difficult place to be. It's a place of tension and stress. The higher path, although it can be frightening at first for many, is the path of surrender, where you're witnessing this is my true identity. I'm this soul. And so the question is, what is what is my soul wanting here? What is my soul want to experience in this life? What does my soul want to express in this life? How does my soul want to evolve in this life? And then when you receive the answer, you're surrendering to that, you're surrendering to that. That may seem difficult in the moment, but we promise you, it is a much easier path in the long run, because again, you start to ride, ride the wave of life, kind of like a surfer riding their surfboard, where you recognize you're not in control and you never were anyway. That's the illusion that, from this lower frequency perspective, you think you are in control of your life. From the higher perspective, it's always the soul that's in charge. It's just that some the soul does not always make itself known to the human construct. What's happening now is that the soul is coming a little bit closer in terms of just making itself known. Hey, there's something bigger. You're more than this physicality, you're more than this personality. And so that makes for a very, very interesting incarnation and interesting life experience.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:25
And Sarai, if, if we are evolving as a human, as humanity's consciousness is evolving, what are our collective next steps in these next 20 years, 50 years?

Karen Bell 1:19:37
Yes. So we would say Now this, this may be difficult for many, if not most, to hear. But the next steps would be that you have to let go of the old. So understand that your human mind, because it does have a piece of itself that is preoccupied with survival, and when it comes to survive. The human mind equates familiarity with safety. And so the way that that transpires, or the way that looks in your reality, is a clinging a clinging to the old ways, a clinging to the old way of doing things, a clinging to old structures, a clinging to things that are basically outdated. And so the new, everything that is new, everything that is seeking to come in, everything that is seeking to be built, is unknown and unfamiliar. And so first, recognize that's a bit of a threat to your human construct. Again, that's part of the game. It's your how your human construct is wired. It's it feels, it perceives the unknown, the unlived, as a potential threat. And so what is the answer? The answer is to take very tiny, small steps towards things that are uncomfortable for you. So very tiny steps, if each individual was in that mode of just taking very tiny, small steps, of putting themselves in uncomfortable situations, just to start to ease that fear, to start to step into things that are new, to start to expand and grow, and to start to affirm to their human self that I'm safe the unknown could be exciting. It could be exhilarating. Doesn't have to be scary. It's safe for me to step towards it. But again, you want to do it in very small, tiny baby steps, very small, incremental ways. What's true for each and every one of you is that if you try to jump into something too big, too fast, that the effect on your system is overwhelm and shock, and you just retreat back into that survival pattern. And so one of the difficulties we see is people seeking to make changes that are too much for their system, when really it would be much more healthy in the long run, to take small, baby, incremental steps towards things that are scary, uncomfortable again, just acclimating your human self to the unknown, to stepping into what does it feel like to explore something new, if you receive an intuition about something and it's scary because it's something you haven't done before? Well, what is it like if I just gently dip my toe in that gently point myself in that direction? What happens when I explore that path? It doesn't have to be as big as you think that it that it needs to be, but it does have to challenge the part of the human that is in fear and in survival mode, has to challenge that and gently start to expand the human beyond that.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:47
Sarai, do you have any final words for the audience that is watching now and that will be watching in the future?

Karen Bell 1:22:52
Yes. So we would say in this moment, take a very deep breath. As you exhale, release the breath, even close the eyes, if you wish, and start to feel, first of all, this broadcast that we are sending to you. It's the broadcast of a higher frequency, the broadcast that reflects your true nature, the awareness of your true nature, your true identity as these beings of light. Just know that to us, when we perceive you, we see you as these beautiful, precious, incredible beings of light. You are emanations of Source Energy, creations of Source Energy. Each and every one of you is unique, and therefore each and every one of you is precious. You are all here for a reason. As you attune yourself to your true identity, you'll start to reveal, unveil the reason that you are here. But we would say, overall, the reason you are here is to emanate a different frequency than the frequency that is currently the dominant frequency on the planet, and so our main message is, don't seek to fit in. Don't seek to fit in with all those around you who may be reflecting the old way of doing things and the old level of consciousness. Instead, attune yourself to your true self, your higher self, and start to be the emanator, the broadcaster of that frequency.

Alex Ferrari 1:24:22
Thank you.

Karen Bell 1:24:23
We will leave you with a greeting satnam, which means true identity. We beam and broadcast the awareness of your true identity to you in this moment and in every moment until you're able to anchor that frequency for yourselves and so Satnam to each and every one of you listening satnam.

Alex Ferrari 1:24:45
She's back slowly, take your time. Drink a little water. And you know water is helpful.

Karen Bell 1:24:51
It always feels like my eyes are glued shut. I don't know, yeah, why that happens?

Alex Ferrari 1:24:56
She's so beautiful.

Karen Bell 1:24:58
Yeah I mean. And it's been life changing, as you can I can imagine, yeah, it's really, yeah. I mean, I consider myself a student to write as much as anyone else. Student of Sarai, so all of these words that she's bringing through and these concepts, yeah, I definitely am seeking to embody those teachings as well.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:19
When she came into the room, there was this lovely energy of, it's almost like a nurturing mother energy that came through, which I literally felt viscerally yeah in the room. Was like, yeah, like a warm hug,

Karen Bell 1:25:33
Yeah, right. Just in our weekly meditations, I lead a channel meditation was Ferrari every week and and there's been a couple times lately where she's actually even brought in the visualization of a mother holding a baby, and you're just holding your human avatar self, and you're the that energy of the Mother, the caregiver. And it's beautiful, yeah, it's, it's actually really incredible, because the truth is that most of us are too hard on ourselves.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:58
Oh, we're the worst, right? Oh, we're the worst with our so, like,

Karen Bell 1:26:01
Judgmental, critical, and even in the realm of spirituality and personal development, it's like it's we're trying to discipline ourselves to just just do better, just do better, be better, right? Whereas the answer really is love and compassion and acceptance of ourselves at a very deep level.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:20
And how do you feel now?

Karen Bell 1:26:22
I feel good. I always feel a little bit, you know, spaced out, but that's okay.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:26
I feel like that when I come out of a meditation, yeah, like, a deep meditation, you kind of come out like, yeah, where am I?

Karen Bell 1:26:32
Like, colors are brighter and everything louder,

Alex Ferrari 1:26:36
Yeah, gotta settle in, like, for like, five or 10 minutes, just the body just needs

Karen Bell 1:26:41
Be group, yeah, it's a nice feeling for me, because I tend to, I tend to operate a little bit of a, like, a faster pace, right? And which is good in some ways, like I can get stuff done, sure. But, you know, to be like that all the time. Sarai has been a really healing, comforting, you know, way to just kind of bring it down. Bring it down a notch.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:02
Now I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests,

Karen Bell 1:27:04
Okay! We did this last time.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:06
We did but there's a couple of new one's.

Karen Bell 1:27:08
Okay, okay, I don't remember the ones from last time.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:10
One that will be the first time I've ever asked because I found it the other day. I was like, oh, let's get in all right. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Karen Bell 1:27:21
Oh, well, my definition of a fulfilled life, I mean, it's reflective of everything that, sir, I talks about, but a life where I'm plugged in and connected to my true self, my soul, and I'm living from that space. So in other words, making decisions, taking action based on what my soul is advising, not necessarily what my human monkey mind is that I should do. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:45
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Karen, what advice would you give her?

Karen Bell 1:27:49
Oh, yeah, I would say, you know, you're not alone. I spent a lot of time just feeling like alone, yeah. So I would say one thing I've come to realize is that none of us are ever alone. I had a friend who was a nurse in and in the pandemic. One thing that was really difficult for her is is knowing that people were dying alone. And one of the things that I said actually, I've actually felt like it was, sir i saying, is that nobody ever dies alone. There's always a team of guides and guardians there waiting, and I think we forget that. So even when you feel alone, you're not it can be a hard thing to really feel sometimes.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:28
The thing is that people don't realize, don't think about this, at least. But we come in alone, yes, yeah. And we leave this, this realm, alone, yes. And we could have partners and children and relatives who are with us the entire time. Literally, our wife or our husband is next to us, and our kids are with us, our pets are with us. But when we leave, yeah, we generally leave, generally, generally on our own, on our own. We leave on our own and we walk in on our own. It's true as much as we love our soul family and the people around us, our souls around us, it's, it's what's supposed to happen.

Karen Bell 1:29:08
It is, yeah, yeah. And all those, all those guys and guardians are there. Yes, they are there. I had an experience. My dad passed in February, and I was there when he passed, and I I've never felt such love like in that moment because of all the beings that were there in the room. And you could feel them, I could feel them, yeah, and it was almost overwhelming. And, yeah, it was glorious. So, I mean, I don't, I don't have any kind of fear of death anymore, because I know all there's all of these beings waiting for us on the other side, and they're here now, right? Sure, in this room, in this room,

Alex Ferrari 1:29:44
There's no question. Standing room only. Yes, we're very popular. Now we just asked you, what you would advice you would give your little Karen? What would little Karen tell you? What advice would you give you right now?

Karen Bell 1:29:58
That's a good one. Yeah. She would say, play, yeah. Play, yeah. Which I am, like, I love to play. I'm very creative. I like to make stuff and do crafts and all that kind of thing. So she would say, play more. Play more. I think that's what we should all Yeah, all of us should be playing. I think we think, you know, we're kids, and then we play. And then at some point in time, you stop playing. But I don't think we're supposed to

Alex Ferrari 1:30:19
Well, as they say, as you grow older, you throw you put away childish things, yeah, that's what that's the term. Yeah, the most interesting people I've ever met, yeah, are still children at their 70s, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the fun.

Karen Bell 1:30:32
I think so too, yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:34
How do you define God or source?

Karen Bell 1:30:36
Oh, that's a good one. Well, I think I define God as or source as an energy that I feel. So I think we have a tendency to humanize God and to think that it's this, Sky daddy.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:51
Sky daddy with the beard, right? Beard,

Karen Bell 1:30:55
Judging us right on a throne. Yeah, on a throne, judging our every action right. And certainly the way that I was raised would would have suggested that when I began to have actual spiritual experiences, I realized that that God is that that palpable presence of unconditional love that is everywhere, present that is always here. We're just not always tuned into it or aware of it. But you know, at any point in time we can stop and become aware that that's truly what we are and what we're swimming in, in a sense, what's all around us.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:28
What is love?

Karen Bell 1:31:30
Well, I think it's synonymous with God, right? I think those two things are this, are one in the same, actually, but I do think that the word love has limitations because of what it means in this reality. Like we we assign all these different meanings to that word. And I think what real love actually is like we don't even have a you know, when you hear people describing their near death experiences, and they experience that vibration of actual, real, unconditional love, like it's beyond what the word love means in this reality.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:04
If you could ask God or source one question, what would it be?

Karen Bell 1:32:08
Is that the one, no, the other one was a little the little one telling you, Oh, that's great. Yeah, I love it. Okay. Well, what would I ask? How much longer? I mean, how much longer do I have on this clock? I mean, back to spirit sooner,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:23
Because it's get it's getting funky down here.

Karen Bell 1:32:25
Yeah, I say that. I say that. But you know what? You know, apparently, some Vedic astrologers can tell you the moment that you're gonna die. I don't know that I'd want to know. Actually, I don't know that I'd want to know. So I say that

Alex Ferrari 1:32:38
I wouldn't mind knowing how. Yeah, yeah, that would because that could determine a lot. Yeah, I should stop smoking, yeah, maybe I should not eat red meat every day. Yeah, I don't need to do either of those things. But yeah, just enjoy like. That would be interesting to just like. It would be interesting to see that if I if I was gonna see us, but I would never want to know what time or what day

Karen Bell 1:32:58
I don't think I can handle it. Yeah, it would be a lot of pressure, and your, your human mind would definitely go bananas over that.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:07
It would, it would, it would. The thing, the reason why you don't know that information is because it would absolutely change the trajectory of your life. That's true. You would change like everything. Would change everything. If you said you've got a month,

Karen Bell 1:33:19
Yeah, yeah, it's good to kind of contemplate that sometimes, though, yeah, to live your life that way, like I've often thought of that, you know, and it helps you, I think, in moments where you're maybe trying to step into something difficult and you're afraid, and it's like, well, if you only had three months, six months a year, two years, even, like, yeah, what Are you afraid of? And and how do you want to spend your time? It's actually a really important question.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:46
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Karen Bell 1:33:50
Oh, okay, well, I do. I have to quote Sarai on this, because of the three E's. So when she it just makes so much sense to me that it's experience, expression and evolution so beautiful. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:03
Now where can people find out more about you, Sarai, and the amazing work you guys are doing?

Karen Bell 1:34:07
Yes. So well, my website is intuitivekb.com, so definitely check that out. And all my social media links are there, and on YouTube, if you search Intuitive Karen Bell, you can check that out. And I'm also teaching a workshop at the Omega institute this summer in New York. So, and we're talking about true identity. So if anyone is free in July and want to come, you know, hang out with us, we'd love to have you.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:30
That would be awesome. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Karen Bell 1:34:33
Oh, that's a good question. I would say, just have some sort of spiritual practice and do that daily, even if it's five minutes, 10 minutes, it may not seem like like much, but if you do it consistently, it will start to make create big changes in your life. Big changes.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:52
Karen, it's been such a pleasure having you here.

Karen Bell 1:34:54
Fun! Thanks Alex!

Alex Ferrari 1:34:55
Thank you so much for coming me. I appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing. Uh. And Sarai are doing to awaken this planet, so I Appreciate you. Thank you again.

Karen Bell 1:35:03
Thank you so much.