How to Speak with Your Loved Ones Beyond the Veil with Suzanne Giesemann

Suzanne Giesemann 0:00
People here were in danger, and they were trying to get their attention. They weren't haunting the place. There was some unfinished business.

Alex Ferrari 0:07
He's a really integral part of who you are and what you do and why you do what you do.

Suzanne Giesemann 0:13
I was catching my breath, and I thought, Who is this powerful being that was their son. Both left signs before they passed, that their soul knew they were going to pass. Just remembering who we are is heaven. But see, that's the point we can remember here and now. We're not necessarily seeking eternal happiness. We're seeking peace, and that's at the eye of the storm shown to me in imagery that he was wrapped up like a cocoon and escorted by two angelic beings.

Alex Ferrari 0:59
I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Suzanne Giesemann, how you doing Suzanne?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:03
Alex, always happy to sit with you.

Alex Ferrari 1:06
Thank you so much for coming back on the show. You are a world traveler now. You're all around the world, so that's why you couldn't make it down to the studios this time, because a lot of people like she was there last time. How come we I wanted you on the show, because I wanted to talk about what the projects you're working on, and go down some rabbit holes, as we always do, but you're just you're just too busy. So I completely understand. I'm glad we can make this work.

Suzanne Giesemann 1:32
Me too.

Alex Ferrari 1:33
So you have a film out called Wolf's Message, which is based on your book, your best selling book. And I saw it. It's such a beautiful film, and it is, for someone who's uninitiated to what you do or that world, it's a beautiful introduction to the other side, into mediumship, into messages from loved ones. It is, it is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful entry point.

Suzanne Giesemann 2:03
Again, it's so much more because it's, it's the main message is, we are souls now, correct, open people up to the awareness with absolute proof that we are souls that, Oh, my God, this world is not all there is.

Alex Ferrari 2:18
Exactly there's a it's like, as Donkey would say in Shrek to it's like an onion. There's multiple layers, multiple layers, just like Shrek. So tell me, I mean, I we've spoken multiple times. I know you've you've mentioned this. I mean, we've been talking for three years so, and we've had many conversations. So I can't really remember which one. I'm sure Wolf's message the book came up at one point or another, but I really never knew the depth of what it is. So can you explain you know, Wolf is really or Michael, he's known as Wolf. He's a really integral part of who you are and what you do and why you do what you do. Correct?

Suzanne Giesemann 3:02
Exactly. Years ago, I would have thought I'm a medium or a spiritual teacher, and I'll just share what I've come to know, but meeting wolf helped me put the main messages that I know my soul came here to share into a cohesive ball of information that anytime anybody asks me a question, first, I'm going to go to my guides and ask for the answer. But the go to is the Awakened way of living. You know, have a book called The Awakened way, but the awakened way of living came from what wolf came back from the other side to share with us. So he was the genesis of this, this way of living that helps us live a consciously connected life, a divinely guided life. He's the one that left proof that we are souls and are connected through the one big web all the time. He's the one that started this for me, about 12 years ago. I've known there would be a movie, and I can tell you, as we go along, about several false starts. So this is, this is the culmination of meeting his parents 12 years ago and being great friends with them now.

Alex Ferrari 4:20
It's, it's pretty remarkable. There's similarities between your, your daughter's, your daughter's way that she passed, and Wolf's way that she passed. I mean, as I was watching the film, I was like, this is insane, like the coincidences, how things happen. Can you kind of break down a little bit of the why Wolf and and your daughters, way they passed was so similar, and how you connected with wolves parents. Yes, it's it's all seems so magical, and

Suzanne Giesemann 4:53
It is. I use the word insane, magical, wondrous. All of these are feelings that people. Going to have as they watch the film, because there is no other explanation than that. There is a big we're part of and my stepdaughter, Susan and Michael Wolf pass a carnis both passed in their late 20s. Susan was 27 wolf was 29 both passed very suddenly, unexpectedly, both were struck and killed by lightning. Both left signs before they passed that their soul knew they were going to pass. Susan's was subtle. It was a dream visit where she came up to me very clearly and let me know that she was still okay. Wolf left profound evidence that comes out in the film and and in my book that nobody can deny. He knew he was going to be struck and killed by lightning. He left a drawing in a poem that spoke of it showed where it was going to happen and what would happen afterwards. This, that's just one little piece of the stunning evidence he left, how he set up his apartment so that people would see the poem and the drawing, how He cleaned his apartment, which was something he never did, and left it just right, as if he knew he wasn't coming back. Because he did know, at the soul level, there's so much of that in the film and more, but I met his parents at a conference where I was speaking. I'm on stage talking about my daughter struck by lightning, and this couple in the front row grabs their hands like their her daughter died the same way our son did. I was the first person they met after wolf was killed, that knew anything about that, and that led Wolf's dad, Mike, to come up to me and say, How could my son know? If you watch the trailer, you see the two of us talking about that moment, how could he know? And the whole Wolf's message is the how

Alex Ferrari 7:00
The thing that is also fascinating is because you show in the in the film, or you hear clips of you again, essentially talking to wolf, or hearing his messages come in, and I never heard your voice shake. It's almost seemed like you were the energy surge, the circuits weren't prepared for it, and they were kind of frying. They didn't fry you, but they definitely jolted you a lot. And you prepare, you were kind of barely holding on from the voice that I heard multiple times in the film. Can you explain what that process was for you?

Suzanne Giesemann 7:40
Yes, I was that is the actual recording that people will hear in the film of when I did a reading by probably zoom, no, we didn't have zoom Skype 12 years ago, or whenever it was that we did it 10 years I'll have to look at the timeline, but because I remember I was looking at them on My computer, and I was just doing a regular reading, and I tuned in, and I knew they had a son who died, but I knew nothing other than that. He was killed by lightning strike, so I wanted to get to feel him, and I asked him to step in close so I could feel his energy. And he was the most powerful family member. I put it that way, because I don't want to say soul. I've talked to souls who are who are masters, and the angels, they have very powerful energy. He was the most powerful family member I have connected with across the veil. So it was no different than just inviting in any higher being to merge with me so I can feel their energy, but his energy literally left me shaking. My heart was palpitating, was catching my breath, and I thought, Who is this powerful being that was their son.

Alex Ferrari 8:52
So you mean, Suzanne, you've been doing this for a few years now, so you have a lot of, yes, you have a lot of experience with this. What do you what's your thesis, if you will, or your about why do you think his specifically was so? I mean, if Jesus comes in, Buddha comes in, Archangel Michael comes in, completely understand the power of the energy of a master or an angel or something like that, but to have just someone who just passed come in with such a heavy like such a powerful energy. Why do you think he did it? I'm sure he did it for a reason, or is there no reason for it behind it? Why he came in?

Suzanne Giesemann 9:33
It's not something he did. It's what his field is, period. He have to change it. That is Wolf's energy, and I've channeled a few messages that show that he is of the Archangel Michael lineage. Unusual that he's Michael. His dad is Michael, and we have Archangel Michael here that I know that he's some aspect of the Archangel Michael field that incarnated. I. I'm not saying he is Archangel Michael. I just know that that energy knew that through Wolf's story and the way he died, people would pay attention. And so that powerful energy came with him, and I felt it. I was just expecting somebody's normal family member, but instead is what is this energy? And then that's why you now that you've watched the film, and anybody who's read the book knows this part. When he started giving me evidence about himself and his parents were validating that I was totally knocked off balance when he said schizophrenia. And I said, I don't know why he's talking about schizophrenia. And his stepmother, Beth, said, said, Oh yes, he was diagnosed schizophrenic. And the disconnect between this powerful presence I was feeling, this loving being this everybody, as you saw in the testimonials in the documentary, everybody who crossed paths with him commented about how loving and kind he was. That just didn't jibe with my concept of schizophrenia. So I asked him silently, what's that all about? And he said, I was in two worlds at once. It was very busy in here. He actually showed me that. And you see in the film how his dad said, yeah, he used to say that all the time, and even shows a picture of him going like this, and he said he just couldn't shut it off. And this is one of the layers of the film. It really sheds a new light on people who say they're hearing voices. It's not it's not necessarily mental illness, or it reframes how we view mental illness. As he said, I was unable to operate on a normal basis while here, but there was nothing wrong with my heart.

Alex Ferrari 11:57
One thing I wanted to ask you, because you were saying that wolf could be from the lineage of Michael and these kind of things. One question I've always asked, I've had asked a lot, and I'd love for you to explain it to people, is, if we're a soul, you know, you and I are souls. Right now, we are wearing the Suzanne and Alice Alex masks, suits, if you will, personalities, everything we've had other lives that we were, others, males, females, rich, poor. You know, oppressor, oppressive. The whole thing, this is where people get confused because they associate it with our reality, where Wolf, you know, on the other side is waking up in his apartment or house. On the other side, gets up, I'm like, Oh, I gotta meet Suzanne over here because she's got a reading with my parents, and I gotta get over here, and I gotta do that like, that's how they like they think they have to get on a track in a car and travel where it doesn't work that way. On the other side, how can our our soul be split up into multiple personalities over courses of many lives, where sometimes they present themselves, like here, as Wolf, but maybe in a future incarnation or in a past incarnation, which goes we're going down to quantum physics world as well. All lifetimes are happening at the exact same time. There is no past, there's no future, because there is no time on the other side. This is a deep maurandering question Suzanne.

Suzanne Giesemann 13:20
Okay, it's not deep, but I'm going to try to to untangle what I just did. Do you mind if I draw a diagram? Please, please. Okay, help. So this paper would represent the entire sea of consciousness. And here, yeah, it's big. So within it, there's an eddy, you know, a little Whirlpool here. And that would be a soul. We'll call it a soul, a pattern of consciousness that is recognizable because it goes round and round and round, but it's part of the whole C. So right now, here's Alex, a pattern within the pattern. Most people tend to think soul, body, it's the whole thing. But no in my understanding anyway, that this is all a mystery. So this is the way I can conceive of it. So here's, we call this Alex here, and there's the Next Level Soul.

Alex Ferrari 14:17
Very nice, very nice.

Suzanne Giesemann 14:19
So all of this. And what's within the eddy is what we call the higher self. We're accessing information that's not normally in our conscious awareness here from what we call our soul. But you can see that this is a pattern within the entire sea. And so other lives that you've had, many people are familiar with the Flower of Life diagram. Are just other eddies. I like drawing the spiral, which, as you saw in the film, was really important to wolf. This is moving. This is dynamic. It's not just static person or being. These are all the other incarnation. Experiences patterns of consciousness that the soul can be experiencing all at once, but we might experience them from the limited, restricted view within this Eddie as one lifetime in linear format, but it's really all happening at once. So say this is Wolf's soul. What if this is part of Archangel Michael's field and and somebody else's might be part of another lineage or pattern or identify more as the Buddha lineage or the Jesus lineage? This is just really putting energy into pigeon holes. But if you've ever seen a picture of a how a hologram works, like dropping a pebble into a tray of water and the ripples go out, if you froze that you would see that all the ripples from all of the patterns in the tray of water, interact, and that's how I, as a medium, can connect with the soul without having them truly come to me. Our intention activates that connection and awareness, and we're instantly communicating. If I say, step in and merge with me. I really think that's a concession to how we as humans think about things having to move and merge, when really it's just turning up the connection and awareness between me and other eddies.

Alex Ferrari 16:32
That's beautiful explanation. That's a beautiful explanation. Thank you for that. Since we're speaking about films, I'm assuming you remember the film Ghost. Patrick Swayze, Demi Moore,

Suzanne Giesemann 16:44
Yep, yep. I tell people a lot, that is what it's like being a medium where Whoopi Goldberg has all this family members behind her. They go like, I want to talk first. I want to talk.

Alex Ferrari 16:52
Yeah. So I was going to ask you how. I mean, I know I've had Bruce on the show who wrote that, and if you hear his story, you understand why and how he wrote that because of his own spiritual experiences. But how close, how accurate is that film in the sense of a soul having unfinished work to do? You know, obviously, in the movie, he's sorry. Spoiler alert, Patrick Swayze dies. He's on the other side, and he's trying to solve his own murder and that kind of thing. Obviously, that's an extreme Hollywood little bit version of it, but just souls who have unfinished work, who want to help, the people who are living still because they're still connected, even that Whirlpool that you were just showing us, it's just one character, one incarnation, yet that incarnation is still, is still attached to the living because it's too it's too soon in the time frame of when it left to it's still attached to this realm, in a way. So how accurate was it tell me explain it.

Suzanne Giesemann 17:58
It's not a matter of time, Alex, it's a matter of the storyline still has, can has potential for providing growth with the people that are connected to that story. So I normally on both sides, yeah, I wouldn't connect to somebody's great, great, great grandmother, because I think there still exists as a pattern of energy, but the learning and growth is not as valuable as somebody who just passed. So how important is it for them to continue the story across the veil unfinished business that's going to depend on each storyline, but you brought to mind Mavis Patillo, one of my original mentors, who became a friend and colleague. I wrote her biography called droplets of God, and she tells two beautiful stories about people who thought that places were haunted because they were feeling cold energy and hearing banging noises and cabinets were flying open. And in both cases, it was this, these beings, who realized that people here were in danger, and they were trying to get their attention. They weren't haunting the place. There was some unfinished business. They had ways they could still help us here, and so they made their presence known energetically, fascinating stories, just to show you what I'm talking about, where the cabinets were flying open, the couple was frightened that there's some ghost in the house, so they brought in Mavis, who could see the spirits. I don't see them standing in front of me like she did, and she said, Why are you scaring this family and the alleged ghost, who's just a spirit, the person that used to be in physical form and is no longer, said, I passed from a drug overdose. Their children have brought home dangerous drugs from school, and they're in the top of that cabinet. I want their parents to know they're there so the kids don't get in trouble and die the way I did. And they said, This is impossible. Possible. They went up on top of the cabinet, and there it was. So, you know, Ghost Stories Hollywood, they want it to be a scary spirit who wants you out of the house. No. But in both of these stories, there was a heart based reason that those souls took the story within the soul that used to be here in a physical body, and said, Let's continue the story and have it interact with the people here for a purpose.

Alex Ferrari 20:28
So so the learning, obviously, that's helping the incarnated soul who's still on Earth, but it's also helping the other person who just died on the other side. Is there a learning is there a growth opportunity for that soul, even though they're on the other side?

Suzanne Giesemann 20:45
Yes, they could make a choice not to come back. Their growth opportunity is to do rather than sit on the cloud playing harp, which is just an analogy, you know, they say, Okay, I'll continue the story, and we'll interact with this couple, and I'm going to stay with it, because that's a way I can still serve

Alex Ferrari 21:00
Suzanne you just, I know you made a joke about the harp in the cloud, which is, is an analogy, but that's another question I get asked all the time. What the heck do they do on the other side? Is there coffee shops? Are there concerts? I mean, Prince and Michael are up there. I mean, that must be a pretty bad ask the, you know, two of the Beatles are up there. There's a lot of great concerts you could go to up there

Suzanne Giesemann 21:23
You're kidding, but there are.

Alex Ferrari 21:25
So how does it work?

Suzanne Giesemann 21:28
What you want to do is what you experience. I have a great video that I made of channeled answer to that question, the afterlife explained. I believe it's called and you do when you immediately cross whatever unfinished business you want to do, if it mostly, if it's fun. For example, the woman's husband and spirit. When she asked me, What's he doing over there, and I asked him, he said, I'm standing firmly on two feet and playing golf every day. Now, doesn't that sound ridiculous? Why would you cross the veil and play golf every day. And she said, Oh my gosh, Golf was his passion, but he had his leg amputated before he passed, and he couldn't golf anymore. So what more beautiful evidence could you ask for than the Spirit telling us, I'm standing firmly on two feet? Well, you don't have a, what we call a physical body and spirit. So you create one for the joy of it, and you golf, but after a while, getting a hole in one all the time gets a little dull. So you say, Okay, check now maybe I'll fly a plane. Always wanted to do that, and you find yourself flying. And as my guides told me in that channel session, suddenly you say, Well, I don't need the plane I'll just fly. So you have fun, and you explore using consciousness to create which is what consciousness does through us in this reality. We use our bodies to do it, and it takes time, and cause and effect doesn't always play out as instantly as it does across the veil. Across the veil, you can multitask without getting exhausted, and you can visit multiple people at once.

Alex Ferrari 23:05
Yeah, that's why I always say Jesus is the hardest working man in show business, because he's at everyone's near death experience. Because it's not just one Jesus running around to like, oh, John's dying, oh, Bob's dying. Oh, I got, I got, I gotta go. I got that doesn't exist, that there's no time he could be in a million, a billion places at the exact same time. Any Is that true? Any soul on the other side could do that?

Suzanne Giesemann 23:27
No, let me just

Alex Ferrari 23:30
Can't be on multiple places at the same time.

Suzanne Giesemann 23:32
Any soul can be can visit their immediate connections. So if you have a family of five. You can look in on all five at once. But what the guides have shown me is the higher beings. For example, angels are responsible for large sections of humanity. Archangels can help all of humanity at once. And Jesus is at the level of in as far as influence of the Archangels.

Alex Ferrari 23:59
So he could be in, he could be around the world at any time,

Suzanne Giesemann 24:02
Answering all those souls that you were talking about.

Alex Ferrari 24:04
Yeah, right, the the Masters, okay, that may that makes, that makes a lot of sense. Um, is it kind of like bringing another movie? What Dreams May Come. Robin Williams is beautiful film. He said something really interesting in that. Or Cuba Gooding, Jr, his son at the time, when he was there, he was trying to figure out why he had passed. And he said, In in this place, there is enough space for everyone to have their own heaven. And he as he started to understand that, he started to create his own reality. He started off as a painted world out of paint. And then I started to solidify he's like, I would love to have a tree over there, and a tree, this beautiful, giant tree appears, and things like that. Is that kind of the way it is on the other side?

Suzanne Giesemann 24:50
It is very much just instantly creative. When you said, Heaven. It just snagged me. I love how this works. Alex, I get the daily messages from my guide that we published in the away. Way app, almost invariably, when I do a reading, the message I got that morning comes up in a relevant way in that reading, and this morning's message you just brought it up. It's all about heaven and how Heaven is really a state, isn't it? It's not a place. Where is it? The last line, if I am my glass, my guides told me I need my glasses. Now I know why. Oh, may I read it? Jeez, please. Yeah. So it's the app I pulled up the latest message from today. Where is your loved one who has passed? Why they are enjoying their new state of being, which is not new at all, in the sense of rediscovering they are eternal beings, just as you are. I love that word, rediscovering, just forget, but now they have the added benefit of having had the most recent experience in a physical body. The love that you shared is a blessing that remains with them and now holds them tethered to you in the best of ways, in awareness, aha they say when they realize how close you are. I still see you and hear you, they exclaim with delight as they realize that you are still together, but on a different frequency. Now I understand they say, and this understanding, which can be yours now as well, is heaven. That's so beautiful. It's so cool. It's one of the first times that spirit's given me their perspective of someone who just passed. Usually it's they want us to know. You know, talk to them. They hear you, but they're saying what it what it's like when you leave this body and you wake up and you say, wait, I still see them. And it's our hearts that's connecting us and just remembering who we are is heaven. But see, that's the point we can remember here. Now, I've had so many moments this week of just overflowing with this awareness that you are love, which is my definition for God. God is love. I look at you, and when I see that, it changes how I see you and see everybody. That gift, I believe, comes from Grace, because it's so easy to forget who we are.

Alex Ferrari 27:23
So Suzanne, as you've in the movie, this kind of was a little bit of interesting. And it happened to you as well. When you started down this path, you had no spiritual background before in the military, none whatsoever. So it was, it was a process for you to kind of understand what was going on, and you were evidential, which is like, I need evidence. I need I need to really practice and see what's happening. But during your years of doing this, I'm assuming you've run into people who, when faced with this truth that you they're programming short circuits. They can't really under they can't really wrap their head around it. It throws their entire world upside down, because they had one story that they believed in all their life, and then that story now has changed. But if that story changed, and it's a domino effect of 1000 other things that they connect to that story, if you if someone's watching this right now, who is whose brain is literally frying right now? From this conversation, what, how did you deal with people? How did you deal with people who have have you've run into, over the years doing this, and what advice do you have for somebody who's watching this, going does not compute, does not compute, but yet they're watching and they've made it to this point, so there's something going on.

Suzanne Giesemann 28:43
But that's what I say, and that's why I say good. Because, as I said, my book that's just coming out in June, if you're not making people squirm, you're not doing your job. And it's that discomfort that is the gift, because if there was nothing to pay attention to, you just go along, just with, just nothing getting your attention, but the discomfort makes you stop and and then there's this innate curiosity that comes from the soul that wants to know why this doesn't sit well with me. So then you start rationalizing and coming up with ideas. So the advice is, be curious enough to say, what is my BS belief system that's causing me to just reject this out of pocket? You know? What? What am I telling myself, and what if I were to just believe a little bit more open minded skepticism is the key. Skepticism can be healthy. So be open minded. Was it Carl Sagan that said, be be open minded, but not so open minded that. Brains fall out, we can use discernment, discernment, and that's where the evidence helps,

Alex Ferrari 30:07
Yeah, and that's why I think spirit has used you as a vessel all these years, because of your background, and it adds so much legitimacy to this work and to this space, you know, because you were not a woo, woo, you know, hippie. You know, back in the day, you were the complete opposite of that at the highest levels. To get to the point where you are now, I have to ask you if you met yourself around the time of, you know, before 911 let's say before 911 because you were at the height of your military station at that point, yes, what would you have said? What would been the conversation between Suzanne now and that Suzanne,

Suzanne Giesemann 30:50
The old me, would look at me now and say, Wow, I wish I'd met you sooner. You're so calm and and joyful and you really love people. How do I get there faster? That's what I would say.

Alex Ferrari 31:05
That's really so she wouldn't have just said, Are you nuts?

Suzanne Giesemann 31:09
No, no, I would have been really envious, really envious, really, that's fascinating. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 31:16
Yeah. Because this Suzanne that's speaking to me was inside of that Suzanne?

Suzanne Giesemann 31:21
Oh, sure. Every possibility is latent within all of us.

Alex Ferrari 31:25
Right! Exactly. So it was, it was, it was in it was within you, that possibility. So I guess that would make sense that you would react, not the way you would, I would think you would react like, are you nuts? Like, what have you lost? You've been smoking something Suzanne from the future. You know, it would be more like, wow, like she would have opt she would have observed who you've become, who she would become, and just go, oh, oh, I how do I get there faster? That's how she would react.

Suzanne Giesemann 31:53
Yeah, I like that you were surprised by that answer, and I love that I didn't have a chance to think of it before. But there's no doubt I had a lot of normal human fears and doubts and no tools to cope with them. At the time, interesting, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 32:07
Which is, yeah, I imagine, and imagine the high stress environment you were in.

Suzanne Giesemann 32:13
I was telling people that I was just putting together a slide for I'm taking a large group on a cruise and in about 10 days, and I had a picture of me talking to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, my boss, and because he's six five, and I'm five seven, and I'm looking at him like this, saying, This is what we're going to do, General. And it looks like I have the ear of the head of the whole United States Armed Forces. And I did. But what, what's really funny is the next picture where he's looking at me like, whose brilliant idea was that? And so it was always that look that you were like, oh, Please God, let me stay out of trouble. Let me not screw up. There was always an underlying fear of missing something, forgetting something, raising his ire for whatever reason. You know, the best advice I was ever given was by his senior enlisted aide. He said, Whatever you do, don't make any excuse. Never make any excuse to the chairman. And there was one time where I screwed up, and I could give him the many reasons why, and he called me into his cabin on the aircraft, and he's gone. And I wanted to say a general. I didn't know that. I didn't and I remembered that advice, and I said, Yes, sir, no excuse, sir. Just like boot camp, right? I'm a commander. And then i Yes, sir, no excuse, sir. And he said, Alright, then let's get on with it. I would have been fired on the spot. I know it if I'd made an excuse, but good human guidance saved me My point being fear all the time, and I think a lot of people can identify with that human What if I screw up? I don't want to look stupid or look bad. Now, trust spirit so much to guide me moment by moment. If I feel any fear, it stands out. And I say, Hey, how can we do this better? What's going on here? I just constantly tune into guidance.

Alex Ferrari 34:09
What? What is one of the common ways that the other side tries to communicate with their loved ones on this side,

Suzanne Giesemann 34:15
Well, they're putting thoughts in our head all the time, and we think they're ours. Like, oh, I think I'll go get my nails done now, and you go get your nails done, and you end up sitting next to somebody who also just lost their mother. Mom knew that she could see she's been talking to that person's mother and spirit, oh, let's bring them together. They'll support each other. Well, I know she wants to do her nails. Why don't we put the thought in her head? Go get your nails done. Now, people don't realize the web, the web of connections. Oh, Alex, making this film, everybody that's involved has been getting signs from their loved ones across the veil, and a lot of us have children across the veil. The Director, Jim Spruill, has a son, Dakota across the veil. There is zero doubt that Mike and Beth's son Wolf, my daughter Susan and Jim's son Dakota, have been guiding this project from the very beginning. My assistant, Christy, her daughter, test helping her with help me. It's the web is so evident. And I hope that as people watch this film and open up to how this works, they'll start noticing their thoughts are not their own .

Alex Ferrari 35:29
And there are people who are like, what, you know, their ego might get in the way, and go, What? No, these are all my thoughts. I like, how, like, I'm the genius.

Suzanne Giesemann 35:40
Now, how can they be just your thoughts, if all this energy information is just constantly spiraling and picking up from the one field, sorry, ego.

Alex Ferrari 35:52
Yeah, exactly so. Suzanne, when we lose somebody, you know, we become, generally speaking, and everyone's different, obviously, but generally we become obviously sad, and many of us become disconnected from in our data that the suffering is so much, the grief is so much. How what advice do you have for people who are feeling disconnected and want to recognize and trust the messages that are coming in, because when you're in this whirlpool of maybe anger, sadness, grief, trauma, all this, you know, Shadow Work that that person's death might have brought up for you, and all of this kind of stuff, when you're in that Whirlpool which many of us do go through, how can We stick her head up above the that Whirlpool, and here,

Suzanne Giesemann 36:42
I love that you gave me that imagery, because I have a dear friend, Karen Crawford, who puts my thoughts into beautiful artwork. And she I gave her a concept, and she drew it. It's a the swirling Whirlpool, and this star is shooting out of the middle of it from the center the eye of the storm, and it's just stepping out of that. The what makes us miserable is we're contrasting what we feel in the moment with the joy we felt in the past. And this is the joy that comes from the soul. We want that again we know there is something more than this pain that's the underlying joy or the capital joy that's always part of all of us that we all share. We're not necessarily seeking eternal happiness. We're seeking peace, and that's at the eye of the storm. And I point to the heart, because that's the center of us, if when we're caught up in the storm, we can just take that awareness I'm miserable, and take a deep breath and visualize find analogies that help you visualize yourself jumping beyond that and talking to your loved ones. See what happens if you just talk to them, that in itself, will just divert you from the thoughts that are holding you prisoner, and now, in that moment, use my three E's. Educate yourself about your loved one's new way of being by watching shows like this, by reading about near death experiences, by watching my videos about the afterlife. Educate yourself now you'll start to feel more connected. Now, experience expanded states of awareness, experience how your thoughts are holding you down by listening and watching, and then engage your loved ones across the veil in a conversation, but leave enough space to listen how they answer. Experience, educate, engage.

Alex Ferrari 38:46
So for people who are listening to this conversation and are scared of communicating with someone from the other side, what advice do you have them for dealing with that? Because, again, Hollywood has programmed us to be very afraid of ghost and be very afraid of the other side. And it's always this, you know, poltergeist kind of scenario, where you and I have been discussing this, and your whole work is about how much love there is on the other side, and how much one you know they they love you, they want to help you. They're trying to guide you, kind of thing. But what advice do you have for someone who can't get over the fear of what they've been taught in their own programming?

Suzanne Giesemann 39:25
First to actually ask yourself, do you even know what you are afraid of? And it's mostly afraid of being afraid. Of course, the ultimate fear is dying, and all of this, what we're conversing about today shows that there is no ultimate death of self, the physical body absolutely dies. But we're we're afraid of being afraid. I have a dear friend who I taught my sip of the Divine meditative practice, my three minute practice. I. And she said, I couldn't even sit for three minutes because I was so afraid that the waves of grief of my daughter's passing would overwhelm me like they do over and over and over. I was stuck until I just got so sick of it. I said, alright, I'll sit. So she sat and she was quiet for about 30 seconds, and here came the wave. But she had given up, and she said it got up to her like this, and it went and she was shocked, and she sat there, and she said it didn't kill me, it didn't help me. Oh, my God. What's left now I can breathe. And then, from then on, she sat quietly for three minutes a day the sip of the Divine and she started talking to her daughter, and now she hears from her, and her daughter warns her things she needs to know about, and she has a great relationship with her daughter across the hail. That's just one example. But if I could ramble a little, please. I was awakened in the middle of the night. I know I was awake, and I sensed these beings. It was kind of like the Wizard of Oz. But worse, it was these flying beings with giant talons. I don't have experiences like this too often, coming right at me like this. And it was real, physical fear. I've learned to say to my guides, what the heck? What's going on? Help me here. And they said, send them love, because love is going to dissolve everything. Love is the light. Love is the highest vibration. So now they're here, and I can feel these talents on my neck, and I knew it, nothing is real except pure Being, consciousness. I knew this was consciousness, doing this for some reason. And so I said, I love you. Don't know who you are, why you're here. I'm sending you love. And Alex is silly as this all sounds. This was not a dream. It was an experience. It was like the Wizard of Oz, where the witch goes and just it just went away. And it's one of those moments where I look at my guys and I say, really, what was that all about? You know? And right now they're saying, you're our guinea pig, you know. Now you're sharing that with with a million people. Right now, other people will say, That's ridiculous. Well, next time something frightens you, if you have the nerve to look at it and shine your light, just say, nothing can kill me that arises in awareness, it disappear.

Alex Ferrari 42:32
So Suzanne, I'm not sure if that helps people who are afraid. I'm not really sure if that helped that situation. But with that said that that that is now you've it kind of it sparked another question. It's this, these beings, these things with the claws and all that kind of stuff. We've all had bad dreams. Everyone's had sadness.

Suzanne Giesemann 43:03
It can't hurt you. That's my point.

Alex Ferrari 43:05
I understand that. I get that. I get that. But is there, is there negative beings on the other side? And if the, if there are, what are they? How are they? What is the purpose of them on the because I get that here, yeah, I'd love to hear on the other side,

Suzanne Giesemann 43:23
Okay, yes, there are less than positive thought forms. And what are you? A thought form? We call us a person because we have a body and personality, but we're a thought form. Everything that was ever created in consciousness is a pattern of energy, information, consciousness. And so there are thought forms that are a very dense, low vibration, and because they're part of consciousness, some of them can affect us more than others. So I know that recently, I had the personal experience of having a conversation with someone, and that person was ranting at me. I triggered something in them, and they ranted at me, and it affected me so badly that I had to go to my energy healer friend and say, what's gotten into me? I'm not able to identify it. And she taught me how to identify this and get rid of it, but she helped me release this thought form. Some people would call that an attachment. That's a good word for it, because it really gunked me up for a day or two. And that could be scary if you don't know what's going on, but anything that causes you discomfort is energy. You are an energetic being. Your superpower is the free will to make a choice and say, I am the light. Ultimately, I. I'm going to bring in the light to dispel this darkness, and it works

Alex Ferrari 45:04
And speaking of darkness and on the other side, I'd love to hear your thoughts and your guides thoughts on the concept of Hell in a negative place where people go because a lot of people are afraid of a hellish afterlife. I'd love to hear from your point of view, who you know you have, you have a foot in both worlds. What is your take on it?

Suzanne Giesemann 45:26
I asked my guides that question early on in this journey, and it is a state of consciousness, not a place just like that message that I read to you earlier, that heaven is remembering I am the light. I am an expression of the one source that we all share so hell is so completely forgetting that that you're feeling despair all the time, or having made such choices in this lifetime that you cause pain to others, feeling the full effect of that when you cross the veil, being surrounded by love, but not being able to access it, access it until you resolve and reconcile the choices you made that's a hell of your own making.

Alex Ferrari 46:18
Is that why certain near death experiencers on a and it's a rare thing. It's a very small percentage go through a hellish experience, as opposed to the 99% that is very positive.

Suzanne Giesemann 46:32
I don't have the personal experience in that, but as I asked the question now, the guides tell me there is a vibration that is that exists, and the person's energy can pick up on that as it's passing to the more expanded states where we reside. We don't really it's not a place. So it's, it's, it's here now. And so you're experiencing the fullness of being once you no longer have a body, and some people pick up on that as they go through it.

Alex Ferrari 47:07
It's interesting too, that every at least the ones I've entered interviewed, is that even if they do go through a hellish experience, they come out of it. They're either saved by an angel. They're saved by Jesus. They're saved by someone like that. Because they eventually ask for help. That's all they need to do, is that second they go, yeah, help me. Help me. And then it just like, like this, and the dark energy scatter like, like roaches. When the lights are turned on, they just handled the light, yeah, but there's but the light, when the light appears, they can't handle it, and they and they take off again. Going back to that film Ghost, the dark energies that bring down the bad guys into a hellish I mean, that was first of all, terrifying. Back in the 90s, those visual effects were shut and the sound it made, I still remember the sound of those creatures is so visceral, so beautifully done, that it sounds a little bit like that when I hear these near death experiences, it sounds similar to what those creatures were like these, these entities just kind of pulling on you, things like that. It's all this negative, but it is a state of mind, and you can get out of it easily.

Suzanne Giesemann 48:28
It is a state of mind, but you can get out of it through changing the pattern of thoughts in your rural pool. And I can give you one. Have had two similar examples where I brought through two men who were truly evil when they were here in physical form, and I'm glad it was only two people say, Aren't you scared when you do mediumship? No, because I wouldn't hang around with these people here, and I'm not hanging around with them when I do my readings. But this in two separate back to back readings, my client's father was brought in, but unlike everybody else's Father, this one was shown to me in imagery that he was wrapped up like a cocoon and escorted by two angelic beings who were very loving. And I said, What's going on here? And the column angels said He is not allowed to speak yet. And yet we want to show his daughter that she will not have to face him when she crosses the veil. We are working with him. And I said, I'm sensing from these beings, your father was a monster. And it turns out she'd written a book, and in the introduction it said, my father was a monster. So the key point here is he was not allowed to say, mix in with the general population, but he was being minister. To by loving beings, and the contrast he was allowed to feel between what he did to other people and what was available all the time, this love and the care and compassion was something that now he had to process with his consciousness before his story, his little Eddie, was allowed to expand again into the entire sea of consciousness.

Alex Ferrari 50:26
So in again, because of the near death experiences I've I've spoken to the in the ears, I've spoken to the life review, which you've spoken about as well. The Life Review is the closest we're going to get to judgment, but it's not judgment but it's not judgment from the other side. It's our own self judgment of what we did. And for people who don't know what it is, is when you go you die, you like your life. Review your entire life goes in front of you, but you get to feel how you made other people feel both positive and not so positive,

Suzanne Giesemann 50:57
Right! So here's this father who's basically held wrapped up in like a mummy. Up to here, it was just energy. So I could make sense of what was going on energetically. But these two loving beings, and they're saying, you're going to watch it all. You're going to see how you affected your daughter and everybody else with your actions. And now, what choices do you make about that? But to so feel it

Alex Ferrari 51:19
So someone like, you know, look, you haven't lived the perfect, like, I haven't lived the perfect, like we've all done things that we wish, that you know, negative things you know, as we grew, you know, hopefully nothing major, but generally speaking, we all, everybody that walks the earth goes through both sides, because that's what we do. That's why we're here. When you and I cross over, there's going to be scenes that we're going to look at in our life. Review go, Oh, I could have done that better. Oh, man, I was young. Oh God, that kind of I didn't mean to hurt her, you know that?

Yeah. But I hope we're doing it now, and I hope that anybody watching this program realizes do it now, and you don't have to do that when you cross the veil.

Exactly. You do that work now. You're absolutely right, but that so that I'm using us as an example, but someone who was, you know, Mao Genghis Khan, Alexander, the great these, these, these historical figures who Napoleon, these, that just mass murder, so much damage, so much pain that they inflicted on the world. When they go to the other side, there is a life review. They have to feel it. You're the first time I've ever heard this kind of cocoon idea where, like you're not you're not allowed in general population, not for a punishment, but because you're pro you need time to decompress in a decompression chamber, to process what you've done, and the bigger, the more not positive choices you've made, the more processing you have to go through. And and these, they were, I love the way you said minister, kind of like a you're in a counselors room, and you know, there's a social worker there helping you work through it, or psychiatrist or psychologist helping you work through it on the other side, and that cocoon? What happens to these? These being these, these souls who inflict a tremendous amount of mass damage on the onto humanity. How did what is their experience when they cross over? Because I know that's a question so many people have like, Well, yeah, what happened to this guy? What happened to that guy?

Suzanne Giesemann 53:19
Well, that's going to be processing that for in our human terms, what we would say is many, many lifetimes. But there's no they're not allowed back into this incarnation, that story. But again, this is part there, that that little Whirlpool there is one of those beings, and it's a much greater soul. So there was a lot of there's a lot of patterns here that need to be reworked before it's going to come back again. Does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 53:52
It just needs you need processing. You need to process. It's kind of like when you are you're you've dealt with trauma in your life. You've dealt with pain in your life. You have to process that in order to be able to function in society. Again. Here, just on, on an earthly, earthly

Suzanne Giesemann 54:09
You've reminded me of a story that's so powerful, it's a little bit of a tangent. But I brought, I had a client who her father and her uncle came in the reading and showed tremendous abuse of her, and sexual abuse and horrible things that had caused her to have a psychotic break, have a really rough life here, and but she was very matter of fact about it. She she really been dealing with her stuff. And I said the guides are showing me that your father and uncle would like you to do a session where you really let it all out, shout at them, curse at them, say everything you'd like to say, and they will be there present while you do this purging process. So they are ready to feel the full brunt of your emotions and to accept responsibility for the pain they cause to you, if you want to do that. And so she did, but she took a counselor with her and a zoom session. She set the computer in the room, and she had a tall lamp that represented her father and a small, shorter lamp that represented her uncle, and she just railed at him, and she's cursing and crying. And she said, all of a sudden, be saw them in the corner of the room, and then she saw her mother in spirit, who had turned a blind eye to all of the abuse. And she said Suddenly she felt their regret and all of her hatred and anger and shame dissolved. She realized we are all souls. They made their in their human incarnations. They made poor choices, but she saw where it led her to. She had this spiritually transformed an experience that transformed her so much, she literally shed 100 pounds with no diet, no effort. Yeah, it was all that protection that she had added to her body from the pain. She purged it by knowing they were right there and they can, you see how that would help them too, across the veil.

Alex Ferrari 56:26
Is that why is, and I don't want to go down too deep the rabbit hole, but I love what you just said, the the protection of someone who has extra weight on them, and some are so extreme, you know, with their shows like, you know, half a ton. You know, I mean literally, people who weigh 1000 pounds, the pain that they have to be in to need that much protection, is that from former lives, or is that stuff that they're dealing with in this life or both?

Suzanne Giesemann 56:56
Asking the guides that question they don't want us to be blaming past lives. It's all about taking responsibility in this life. So what you're experiencing now, physical, emotional or anything, is from your choices. Now, don't worry about the past.

Alex Ferrari 57:15
Fair enough. Fair enough. Suzanne, after all the years you've been doing this and coming from the background that you've come from, what is the most surprising part of the work that you do, or you or the work that you've done over the course of the last 15 years, what has just taken you kind of by like, really?

Suzanne Giesemann 57:35
I would say what's surprising is that spirit never fails to surprise me and my poor husband, he says, you know, I'll ask for a sign to this day. I don't need to know the spirit world is real, but I love playing the sign game that I talk about in a lot of my teaching, where you say, Hey, that was really cool. What you just taught me, if that's something I can trust, show me this sign. And last week it was they gave me this really cool lesson and told me I was going to have this spirit animal helping me to overcome this pattern that I brought forward. And still to this day, the Navy commander says, really a spirit animal that's going to help me? And I said, All right, what am I going to call this spirit animal just playing? That's what I want people to be willing to play. And I heard Lucy, because this guide is going to help me remain lucid. So that's clever. So I'm going to see the name Lucy, huh? And they said, not only will you see it, but you will hear it in the form of Lucille Ball. And so it was two different things. I was going to see Lucy and I was going to hear have some connection with Lucille Ball. So that night, I go to bed, and I always have five books on the go at once, and I was just guided to open up one of my Kindle, and I'm just leafing through my husband's brush and his teeth, and I turn to page, and there's Saint Lucy, and I just go, that's what surprises me, that I still get surprised when these signs happen. And the very next day, I'm talking to my friend Lynette, and she says, You gotta watch this. Listen to this podcast. They bring in Lucille Ball. And I said, of course they did. Of course they did. Who put that thought in Lynette's head? You know, the web Alex, and that's what this Wolf's message video shows us. That's Wolf's message. You're not only human. You're part of this big web of consciousness. And love is the consciousness. Love means lack of separation. Nothing is separate. It just appears that way when you come to know that you feel, the love you feel, the connection you open to the wonder and the magic and life does not become one big, joyous moment. It's not all happy, but, you know, it's there just waiting.

Alex Ferrari 59:54
The one thing I found, I found very funny in the in the in the documentary. Was your husband. Ty, when he he had to actually look up. He had no idea what a medium was. When it was first presented to him, he had to, like, look it up. And it took him years to tell you that, apparently.

Suzanne Giesemann 1:00:13
And now he's married to one. He did not sign up for this at the human level, at the soul level, it's a it's such a good sport to go on camera and Alex, he cries. We've watched the film six, seven times now, as it's come together and we're going to we're taking it on tour around the US, 30 different screenings and discussion events around the country, beautiful. You can find the tour at Wolf's message com. Attend a screening every time we've watched it, he cries. And he's not a crier. He doesn't cry any other time, except when we talk about his daughter, Susan, dying. And I just think, I hope he's going to be okay with this 30 times, watching this over and over.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:58
It's going to be, it's going to be a trying time for him from someone who's done the whole festival thing, done screenings and watching the same movie again and again and again, it he tell him he better strap in.

Suzanne Giesemann 1:01:14
Can't sit there in the audience and read the news, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:01:16
Right! Not a not a good sign. Not a good side at all. Since our last conversation, I have just a couple of new final questions I always ask people, but I'll kind of go through a few of them again, because every time I ask you the question, I get a different answer, which is beautiful, because Spirit comes in with a different answer. So what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:01:39
That would be when you are when you are following your heart, and you know it

Alex Ferrari 1:01:45
Beautiful answer. Beautiful answer. If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Suzanne, what advice would you give her?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:01:51
You are safe and loved and you're not alone.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:56
How do you define God or Source?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:02:00
Wow. How do I define God or source in this moment? Wow, this I could go deep, short, not deep, shallow, wherever you like to go, God. God is not a being. God is an energy that flows through and is everything that exists and it's all present, all powerful and indivisible. And therefore God is love.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:30
And what is love?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:02:32
As I said previously, it's the awareness of no separation.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:38
And if you could ask God or source one question, what advice? What would it be?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:02:42
How am I doing?

Alex Ferrari 1:02:45
Good question. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:02:49
Oh, see, the ultimate purpose of life in human form, I trust, is to create and evolve. The ultimate purpose of life is for God to express this full potential that just has to come out, to create beautifully said.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:07
Where can people find out more about you your work, and where to watch Wolf's message and pick up your new book coming out in June, and all that stuff.

Suzanne Giesemann 1:03:15
Yeah. suzannegiesemann.com there's a lot just on the home page, including harnessing new technology to get answers to the questions you might have about all of this. Under the banner, are always my featured events where we can meet in purpose. I'm going to be in Atlanta at an expand conference at the Omega Institute again this summer for making the connection workshop, and then these multiple screenings around the country. All right there on my homepage. Suzanne eastman.com lots of free gifts and resources on there, along with my courses. But then wolfs message com has the trailer for the film and where you can attend the screening and how, if you're patient, you'll get to watch it online.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:55
Suzanne, I think I found someone who's busier than me, so you've got a lot going on this year. A light worker's job is never done, my dear. So

Suzanne Giesemann 1:04:10
It's fun and it is fun, and this is another key. When you learn to trust spirit, you just say, What do I work on next? What's next? So I don't feel overwhelmed. I get really close sometimes, but the flow is just phenomenal, and I want that for everybody. Alex, so thank you for helping me share that message,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:29
Of course. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Suzanne Giesemann 1:04:32
It's the same one. My guides always end their daily message with you. Are so very loved. If we knew that we wouldn't do silly things to get love. We really are loved because love is our essence.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:47
Suzanne, it's always a pleasure having you on the show. I love our conversations, and I really hope that this conversation helps people around the world watching it. So thank you so much. Congratulations on your film, your new book coming. And all the amazing work you're doing in the world. I appreciate you very, very much, my dear, thank you again.