The True Story of St. Germain & Metatron with Robert Edward Grant

Alex Ferrari 0:00
So is Metatron an Ascended Master?

Robert Edward Grant 0:02
Yes, really, he's a seraphim. Seraphim is like the most ascended and Metatron in many of the Kabbalistic texts, is referred to as meta simply means beyond the story of Metatron is that he was a man who ascended. And the man starts off as Enoch. This is the city of Enoch. So Enoch is supposed to have been a man who learned how to become an angel who got his wings. It's actually the highest of the archangels above Michael. What happened was they all signed the Declaration of Independence, because Saint Germain got them to do it. And there's it's in history, and Metatron is actually meaning metathrone, which means the throne beyond.

Alex Ferrari 1:09
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Robert Edward Grant, how you doing?

Robert Edward Grant 1:32
Hey, great to see you, Alex.

Alex Ferrari 1:34
It's so good to see you again, sir. You know you. I love having you in the I love having you in studio, I never want to do another zoom interview with again, because these are so much more

Robert Edward Grant 1:47
They're way more interactive,

Alex Ferrari 1:48
For sure, more powerful. The energy is different, all that stuff. And perfect example is, while we were prepping to come in here, you'd like, Oh, I got to show you something on my phone, and you explain to me this new idea that I have never heard about within regards to a to your chakras and to a kundalini awakening. Now I'm fairly well versed in this space. I've had 575 80 people on the show, masters and all sorts of things. I understand what a chakra is. I understand what a kundalini awakening is. I understand a lot of these details. So I'm not a newbie, but then you threw this thing out about a knot in between chakras, which is I've never heard of. So I was like, Oh, we're starting with that in this conversation. So tell me what these knots are between the chakras that need to be untied for the Kundalini energy to come up to have a full awakening, or enlightenment, as they say.

Robert Edward Grant 2:43
They're called grantees,

Alex Ferrari 2:45
Grantees, like a grantee. I'm like, What the hell is like?

Robert Edward Grant 2:48
Like, my last name, it's kind of funny.

Alex Ferrari 2:51
Stop it. I just got the chills. We're twin flames. No, I'm joking. Only a twin flame would say that. Robert, No, I'm joking. Robert, please.

Robert Edward Grant 3:07
He said that because, like I lately, I've been having too many people like claim to be my Twin Flame. I've got twin flame whiplash I think

Alex Ferrari 3:16
That's why it said it only a twin flame would say that.

Robert Edward Grant 3:22
Okay.

Alex Ferrari 3:23
So, okay, grantee, yes, based on your name. Grant, yes, it was named after you. So, yes,

Robert Edward Grant 3:28
Well, it wasn't named after me. The first time I heard the word right, was actually from I went to a Sikh wedding. Oh, wow. You know what Sikh is, right? This is one of the Indian religions faiths, and and they're the ones who are the turbans. Yeah, they're the ones mustaches.

Alex Ferrari 3:44
During 9/11 they had a lot, I'm trying. They had a rough, they had a rough time trying to get to that mustache level. You're getting there. You're getting there. I'm getting you're almost, almost, that's right.

Robert Edward Grant 3:52
What was the name of the guy on kill? Bill? Like, oh, Bill. No, no, no, no. Oh, that guy the Master, the Master, yes, it's like, but it was like, yeah, exactly,

Alex Ferrari 4:07
By the way, just so you feel old, that's a 20 year old movie. Just throwing that out there. This is the 20th anniversary, like

Robert Edward Grant 4:14
When the matrix was 20 years old. Now it's 26 years old,

Alex Ferrari 4:18
And we're almost on the 30th anniversary. That was 99 man. That's crazy,

Robert Edward Grant 4:22
Crazy stuff, all right. So, so anyway, he I went to the Sikh wedding in Miami, and from one of my friends and or his kid, and, you know, it's like this full on extravaganza. You go to an Indian wedding, it's like a thing,

Alex Ferrari 4:38
Oh, I've seen them. I've seen the videos. Yeah, it's a seven day event, and it's a whole

Robert Edward Grant 4:42
Yeah, and then it culminates in them riding an elephant.

Alex Ferrari 4:45
You read my mind, I'm like, when's the elephant coming in? Like, in Miami?

Robert Edward Grant 4:54
Where did they find the elephant in Miami? But there's always a white elephant. There's got to be the white elephant too. So it's like, so then someone's got to paint the elephant. It's like, Who's that dude? Who is that dude? Right?

Alex Ferrari 4:59
So not only. Have to rent an elephant. You have to find someone to allow you to paint the elephant. Yes, in Miami,

Robert Edward Grant 5:05
And the elephant represents, let's Ganesh, right? Representation of the hierophant stage.

Alex Ferrari 5:10
What's a hierophant?

Robert Edward Grant 5:11
Ah, something else you didn't know.

Alex Ferrari 5:13
Well. Every time I talk to you, I learn you know

Robert Edward Grant 5:15
So in the tarot deck, yeah, right, which is supposed to have been made by Thoth, as well as a 52 card playing deck. That's why there's things like tarot card readings as well as cardology readings, right? So in cardology, I'm a three of diamonds, okay? And then a seven of hearts. That's a whole nother thing. We could go down a deep rabbit hole. You know, who taught me this? Katy Perry, the Katy Perry, the Katy Perry, who is, like, a fan of my show Codex, and who reached out to me and asked me to have dinner with her in Orlando, and it was crazy. And she's like, totally into all this esoteric stuff. And, I mean, I know people are calling me like, Dude, did you meet Katy Perry? She's like, evil. I'm like, she's not. I didn't get that impression from her. And she was very much into all this stuff. And I never got the impression that she was like, I mean, she did keep, like, going like this to me, you know, like making that. I'm kidding,

Alex Ferrari 6:13
that's a joke. No, I was dead in like, really, did she do it?

Robert Edward Grant 6:16
No, it was wild. She came up to me and I met her in Santa Barbara, and she's like, Robert, I'm your hugest fan. She came and gave me this big hug, and I was like, Is this for real? Like, what life am I living right now?

Alex Ferrari 6:27
Can I pause there for a second? I've heard from friends of mine who are in the business, who are like, you know, this actor is like, a huge fan of yours. Like, watches everything. I'm like, Are you they know my name. Oh yeah. They do, like, they, they watch what, like, oh yeah, they, they love you. Like, can you take a picture and I'll send it to them? Okay, FaceTime them or something. And I'm like, what has happened? It's so weird, isn't it? Like, all of a sudden Katy Perry, I'm a huge fan through, like, what?

Robert Edward Grant 6:56
And Katy did a whole reading on me, yeah, it's like she had come prepared. She knew my birthday and everything already. And so she had, like, said, Okay, I'm gonna teach about cardiology. And here's how it works. And it's all this esoteric background and everything, and you're a three of diamonds and a seven of hearts, and this is what this means. And she did a full reading. I recorded the whole thing, and it was like, really good. I mean, she's really into this stuff. And then Orlando is like, Oh, mate, she like, watches your show under the covers every night. Like, Orlando. He's like, he's like, telling me how Katy Perry is watching Codex, you know, under the covers on an iPad, like, nonstop. And I was like, Is this even happening? Is this for real? Like, Oh, wait, no, we live in a matrix of our own mind,

Alex Ferrari 7:41
Robert, as I said in our last conversation, you are the most interesting man in the world, and sharks have a week dedicated to you, sir. I'm telling you that's gonna catch on hashtag Shark Week by Robert Grant

Robert Edward Grant 7:53
In tarot deck. In the Tarot deck, yes, one of the cards is called the hierophant. Okay, the symbology of the hierophant is often associated with the elephant. So I'm looking, you have an elephant right there. Yes, a white elephant, no less. A white elephant, no less, right? So basically, what I learned when I was at this event where, like, elephants riding in and everything, when they actually have the wedding of a Sikh wedding they had, the man was wearing like, red color, and the and the woman was wearing white color. Well, I was like, whoa. This is kind of symbolic and similar to the marriage of the Red King and the White Queen, which is a stage in alchemy called the rubedo. So where do all these symbolisms come from over time? And instead of having a preacher or a guru or something in Sikhism, they abandoned the concept of a guru and replaced it. Guru just means darkness and light, so light from the darkness, someone who's balanced because divinity. Each one of these ascended avatars that you basically present on the wall here were people who had learned to transmute and transcend their shadows by integrating them so they are perfectly balanced in their light and dark in their own conscious awareness. So the more that you become aware of your darkness and learn to accept it and understand it, then you can be in more control over your outer world and your inner world. So divinity is the balance of the two. It's not getting rid of the dark.

Alex Ferrari 9:22
Well, that was, that's, I think, a misconception. Everyone looks at, you know, Jesus or a Buddha or any of these kind of Ascended Masters, and they're like, Oh, they're pure light. No, they've learned to balance the dark and the light right in them,

Robert Edward Grant 9:36
And they've learned to love it all, because they realize there can be no light without darkness. We've said this before. Darkness is not the absence of light. If we turn off every light in this room, we have no windows in this room, and you got black walls in this room. We turned off every light there would still be light in the ambient environment of the room, because all of the molecules that we would see that represent carbon and. DNA that's in the wood here, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, they all have an energetic light signature of emission of certain wavelengths of light. And that's how we know when we look in outer space, we could see certain wavelengths of nanometers of light that are emitted in outer space. And so we can say, oh, that's plasma, or that's a hydrogen pocket, or that's a helium pocket. That's how we know what it is. So when we turn off the light, all that's happened now is you have the ambient air of nitrogen, oxygen, and we have carbon here. It's all emanating and emitting its own light signature. And when you turn on the light, it's reflecting that and increasing the magnitude of that reflection. It's the amplification of the ambient light that's already here, and the colors of that that create this ambient light that we're experiencing incandescence right now. So this is, you know, this whole idea of getting rid of the darkness means that you're getting rid of the light also. So a true Ascended Master is one who's understand, who's actually come to the understanding of his own darkness. I'm not afraid of people that have darkness. I'm only afraid of people that believe they have none.

Alex Ferrari 11:10
Oh yeah, it's kind of like the person who's yelling and screaming in the corner and being very boisterous. You don't have to worry about that person. It's the quiet one in the corner that you need to worry about,

Robert Edward Grant 11:21
Right! Or the person who thinks that they're taking on and I'm gonna rid the earth of a scourge, Thanos. Thanos, Thanos. Thanos is a good example.

Alex Ferrari 11:31
Good intentions. Good intentions, overpopulation of the universe. Executions, a little off, yes, kill half of everybody. That's right, but he had good intentions.

Robert Edward Grant 11:42
He had thought he was doing the right thing, yeah. So did Hitler,

Alex Ferrari 11:47
So did Genghis Khan, so did all of them,

Robert Edward Grant 11:50
Yeah, that's right. And we see the world not as it is, but as we are. So we want to justify all of our actions, and so the impetus and the motivation behind all of our actions is actually the thing that will benefit us the most, and we call that the ethical imperative. You see what I'm saying, it's it's our inability to perceive our own darkness. And why is that so difficult? Because an eye can't see itself, right? So it has to create mirrors, and that's what relationships are for, is to create mirrors so that we can see these aspects of ourselves that are disintegrated, that need to be yet reintegrated

Alex Ferrari 12:25
So but the question to you, Robert is, then, why are all these twin flames coming into your life?

Alex Ferrari 12:25
Gee, stop. Sorry. This is not a deal with that when the next go round, that's right. Well, I'm looking at the book up there that says, Love. Okay, that's why.

Alex Ferrari 12:42
That's why. But, no but, and we joke about it, but that is when things continuously repeat themselves in your life, it's the universe trying to tell you something that you have to learn something here and integrate this and be able to balance it. Why did I choose this? What? Why is this situation in my life? That's why is it continue to repeat itself again and again if I'm not learning the lesson, because I've had lessons that I've that got sledgehammered into me, as opposed to the whisper, and I've realized going back in in my history, going, Oh, I don't have to learn that anymore. I've learned that lesson, and that's why it hasn't come back up.

Robert Edward Grant 13:17
Well, usually it's whenever you start to accept the opposite condition. So if you're experiencing whatever it is over and over and over again, and you can distill it down to one thing, then usually it's your lack of acceptance of its opposite condition that leads to the fact that you continue to experience this same thing over and over and over again, and that's when you're not picking up on discernment, because you're not discerning the pattern.

Alex Ferrari 13:44
If you are fearful of being poor, let's say which is a big fear of so many people on this planet, rightly so you need money to order to live and to have a roof over your head, of course. But if there's a intrinsic fear that the world is going to come to an end, that I'm going to lose my job, that I'd never have enough money, I can never get past it, that is the reality that is presented to you. Correct?

Robert Edward Grant 14:12
So you think that I need to learn abundance, I need to learn abundance. I need to learn abundance. So Okay, let's say the abundance is elusive to you, because all the things you're seeking become elusive to you because you've distanced yourself from it. The way to manifest it is by feeling as if you already have it and you're enough without even having it. And that's the moment everything comes to you. It's like when you were in high school, the moment that you have, like, a girlfriend, then all the other girls are interested in you, Oh, yeah. And you're like, what's going on? And then the moment that you like, need credit from a bank, that's the worst time to go to a bank and ask for credit. You never know, no, they only give credits like, Well, wait, that's when he first learned what a catch 22 is, because it's like, so I need to have a credit history to get credit. But then how do I get a credit history if I can't get credit the first time? Well. That's your problem, right? It's the same thing. The Universe mirrors back the same exact thing to us. So if you want to learn abundance and experience abundance, stop fearing lack, right? Stop feeling the lack. Because it's your feeling of lack that creates more lack.

Alex Ferrari 15:19
It's a magnet. It's a frequency. Frequencies can only connect to

Robert Edward Grant 15:22
Sympathetic resonance. So if you're feeling like I'm in a moment of I have no abundance, I'm in lack, you're just going to experience more lack until you finally learn to accept, okay, I'm good with being in lack. I have enough. I'm happy the way I am. That's when your abundance will find you, the moment you accept the opposite. So whatever it is, so try to identify what the opposite thing is. Because this universe we learned through opposites. So back to the whole concept of, I'm at this Sikh wedding, and while I'm at this Sikh wedding, I'm watching all this symbology happen, play out infirmity. And I was like, Why don't they have like, a speaker? It's like, there's no speaker up there, oh, because in Sikhism, we abandoned the concept of a guru back in something like the 16th century. And this is, like, the warrior class, right? They all had the big sword, yeah, with, like, the shape, yeah, exactly. And that's why they always have them, like, guarding the hotels out front and everything, of the big mustache in the Yeah, and the beard and all that. And so you can look at somebody, anyone that's wearing a turban a lot, right, probably has a background of being a Sikh. You know, I don't know this for certain, but probably Sadhguru would probably be that. And Sadhguru just means truth. Guru. Sad means truth SAT. So basically, I was like, Okay, so there's no preacher up there, but there's a book, and the book was open on this little altar right in front of where they're getting married. And there's like, one guy that would go up there and read passages from the book, that's it. But he's not like, the focus is not on him. It's like a narration, almost. And I've said, what's the name of the book? And they're like, oh, it has the same as your name. And I said, Grant, what? He goes, Yes, it's, it's a grant. It's, it's basically the guru grant, Sahib, Guru grant, but it's with a th, but you don't pronounce the H, of course. So Guru grant, Sahib, they're like, it's like, your name, Grant, his name is our book, our sacred book. So I'm like, what you got to be kidding me, right? But there's a lot more in a name than what we know. Oh yeah, it is a consciousness as well. And everything in your life, when you start finding this riddle of your life, you start finding the patterns that connect all of it, and I'll tell you more about this in a moment, but, and I challenge you to do this for yourself, because there's a hidden message always, always, always in your name. And so I realized, okay, there's some meaning that's of spiritual meaning related to this sacred book. It's like their Bible for Sikhs, right? So then I realized that a grantee, right is actually a knot. It's like an energetic place that's along your Sushumna, that's in between your chakras. So there's a Vishnu grantee, there's a Brahma grantee, and there's three of these grantees, and you have to be able to get your Kundalini life force to break through these knots or stages of your life. So you could say that as you go up through your chakras, you're going from the first dimension, which would be a line in mathematical terms, the second dimension is going to be an X, Y axis. So that's going to be the sex chakra. So it's probably why we often reference sexuality with an X. There's symbolism that's tied to all of this. There's always an encryption. Time itself becomes the encryption to the fifth dimension, the fifth chakra pronounced with a hard ch. It's not actually chakra. We all today in the US, we all say, Oh, it's a chakra, and it's important to pronounce it the right way. And I only have learned this recently because people corrected me on it, it's chakra, it's chakra. Yeah, chakra. It's not chakra. That's right. And so you have to actually get to that's a level of consciousness to realize that it is chakra, so that you can actually mouth these words out and form the manifestations. Because from your lips to God's ears, it's the same concept. We are forming reality through incantation of the things we're saying. We don't even recognize it. It's just like we look at geometry. Geometry as a QR code for the subconscious mind. You don't even need to understand what the sum of angles of this geometry is or anything. Just by looking at it, it is literally activating your subconscious in a new way.

Alex Ferrari 19:40
So with this, with the grantees, I'll never forget it now, because of your name, the grantees. So let's say we have the the root chakra, which is basically all of our urges and sex and all that kind of stuff, material kind of stuff down here as the Kundalini. Awakens. And there's lifetimes of people that have lifetimes that they never nothing ever opens. The chakras never open for them. But as you evolve or awaken, those chakras start to open up a little bit here, and as it goes up, right? Is that correct?

Robert Edward Grant 20:14
Yeah, that's what happens. So each of the chakras, and not only those chakras, but you actually have semi tones, because they're all musical notes. So you start with A, then B, then C, then d, then E, then f, then right, and go all the way up. So you start with red. That's why it's red, because A is red, then it's orange, then after orange, it's yellow. That's the solar plexus. The sun is the representation for that. So you've got different notes, and their relationship also is also directly tied to their absorption characteristics. So it's going to be C, D, E, F G, A, B, C, just as much as it is a all the way up, right? So these relationships are thirds relationships. So you've got C, D, E, F G, A, B, C, the crown chakra ends with the C we went through the corona virus. The Crown virus not a coincidence, right? Literally. Do you know that the crown virus in original sense, it was in Scientific American as having been started and based on the DNA, the original DNA test, and if you should know this, you can look it up, was that it was from two snakes, the coronavirus. The coronavirus had venom from two different snakes mixed into it. One was the Asian ASP, and the other was a king cobra.

Alex Ferrari 21:36
And those two are the ones that created the

Robert Edward Grant 21:38
The original January 2020, article that showed up in Scientific American that showed that there was actually two snake venoms that were mixed into forming the thing that leaked out of the lab, right? Wuhan. Now we all know. And now the CIA and everyone finally says this, yeah, what? It was, conspiracy theory. But now it's not a wet market came true. Not a wet market, okay, not a wet market. So this actually came from two snakes. Now, isn't that kind of funny that we have something called the crown virus, like maybe could be comparison to crown chakra, and it's made by two snakes

Alex Ferrari 22:17
Going up about, Wow!

Robert Edward Grant 22:20
You see the symbology. So as the energy goes up, and I encourage you to look this up, it's you will find that existed. Those articles existed when they did the first DNA tests on the coronavirus.

Alex Ferrari 22:32
So let me ask you, because this is something that's happened to me in my own evolution. Meditation is what generally, generally helps you awaken these chakras and it starts to move and move and you are when you're meditating, you're able to move the energy up. I remember in a meditation where I had literally felt a pop happen at where a chakra would happen. So I literally heard it and I felt it in my meditation was pretty I'll never forget it. And I'm like, oh, oh, something just happened.

Robert Edward Grant 23:08
I've had the same experience

Alex Ferrari 23:09
You had. You've had to say, right? So it's not a full awakening, but it was definitely on the path. Do you know where it was? It was right here, like lower, right above, not probably your solar plexus. It was probably my solar plex, yeah, yeah, that's where that one has has happened.

Robert Edward Grant 23:23
So you could think about your experiences, right? As first dimension is a line. Mm hmm. First chakra, root chakra is the line, the plane of Earth, foundation, right? Yeah. So when we put our arm to the square, right, as they do when you go to testify in court, you extend your thumb out, you're creating a right triangle, right? This right triangle right here is another form of a mudra, right? You don't even realize this, but it's being in rightness with heaven, the vertical line and earth. It's where the altar meets at the right triangle, which is like a cube shape, and that's the place where heaven connects to Earth at this right triangle. So that's why we bring our right arm to the square, because you're testifying in front of God and earth that you're testifying the truth. So we have this thing. So basically this is the first line, the plane of Earth, first dimension, second dimension. Now you've got an x, y axis, and we measure that in area. We measure the line length, in segment length, right? The third dimension is tied to the solar plexus. And so now you've got, like the sun, and it becomes a sphere, right? So the sphere is going to be, you know, the sphere of the sun and the cube of the Earth, right? Is how it's represented in alchemy. And then you end up with the next dimension, is the fourth dimension. So you could take a still image and put it into a movie, which is what you've done, right? So now you've got a motion picture. So you've had, let's say you have now a picture of a square that. Then the square pops out into a Z axis the third dimension, which is now the solar plexus, and then you're going to put that in rotation and apply the rotation to that to make a motion picture. So now you've got a cube or a sphere moving around the screen, right? That's the fourth dimension, and we track that, and we measure it with volume in time. So we had line segment length for the first dimension. Second dimension becomes area represented as x times y, right. Third Dimension becomes x times y and then a Z axis. So you take one side length. That's why the volume of a cube is side length cubed, right, right. So side times side times side gives you the third dimension. Fourth Dimension is now taking us up and saying it's going to be in motion. So we're going to take that cube, put it in motion, so you've got a motion picture of that cube, and then you could say, okay, in these four ways, we're also tying this to something called the quadrivium. So it's a learning process. So we've got wait. Number in itself is arithmetic. Number in space is geometry. Number in time is music. Number in space time is cosmology. And now when we go to the next level. Number in time space is purpose. So we're actually just going through this process of learning. We get to the fifth chakra. That's what we're doing. Number in time space, the realization that time doesn't only flow one direction. It flows both directions. We go forward in procession. We go backward in pre session. So each month, in January to February, I'm going from Aquarius, then from Aquarius, I go to Pisces, then Pisces to Aries, then Aries to Taurus, then Taurus to to Gemini. Gemini to cancer, cancer to Leo, Leo to Virgo. Virgo to Libra, right? And then Libra to Scorpio. And then you're back at Capricorn, and then Capricorn to Aquarius. So you've basically done the whole process, and it's gone one direction, but each day equals one degree. But there's a larger cycle as well. That's a 24,000 year cycle that's going backwards, and each one degree of that cycle, as we go around Sirius A and Series B is 66.6 years. And altogether 360 degrees of that times 66.6 equals 24,000 years. This is Sri Yukteswar we were talking about before. So this idea that time goes forward and backwards, and we're just in a cycle that's so big we can't see the arc of that time,

Alex Ferrari 27:41
Right with like the the yugas, which is a 24 year site, 24,000 year cycle. I mean, it's so large that you won't be able to see the curve where we're going according to where we are right now we're like on our way back towards enlightenment. Yeah, the Dark Ages was as bad as it got. That's right? And then now we're on our way back up, hence, all the awakenings, all the things. Is it true though, that as we're getting closer to the center of the universe, we become more connected to who we truly are, and as we pull back from it, in our in our in our rotation, if you will, we start becoming more disconnected. Yes, have you heard that before?

Robert Edward Grant 28:23
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And it's also about the density, right? So when you're in higher density stage or arc of the cycle, you're just not going to be aware of things like an illusion or matrix of mind. So what happens is, or chakra, right? What is, what is even this, right? But what this is actually representing is our movement and different ages through this 24,000 year cycle. We represent different stages along this so now we're going into the stage Age of Aquarius. We're gonna be in the fifth chakra.

Alex Ferrari 28:56
So we're on our way to full enlightenment as a consciousness,

Robert Edward Grant 29:00
100% and guess what? This is represented? By the hierophant stage, which is the elephant. Okay, so now bring it full circle. So the elephant is so there are three stages of the throat chakra. The first is becoming self aware. So this is what's happening now. People going through the awakening process are realizing that they're in a dream, and that dream is becoming lucid, so it means that they can actually be a co creator of that dream consciously. You're not just acting out the dream and not knowing why you're in the dream or what's going on creating the dream. You're actually creating the dream. So that's an important thing to note. Then the next thing is that then leads to self actualization in the dream. Then self actualization brings you to self transcendence. When you can transcend the idea of what is good and bad, what is light and dark, you realize that each is there for a reason. Up until that moment, you think you're just suffering. It's like trying. To learn math without meaning. Learning math without meaning is just information and numbers High School. Yeah, exactly. Math without meaning is like, painful to learn. Oh, it's horrible. It's horrible. It's like, what do these what? But as soon as you realize that there's meaning behind it, it becomes divine communication. By the same token, suffering for suffering sake, is just suffering, but as soon as you realize that there's a purpose behind the suffering, that's why I said number in time space, the realization that the future creates the past as much as the past creates the future, and that time loops on itself now gives meaning to all your suffering. And when you have meaning to your suffering, that's when you actually realize that the suffering is a source of your enlightenment. So all the things that you thought you hated growing up, and all the worst experiences ever, you start looking with the new light and say, Oh, wow, those are my greatest teachers. I don't even remember my teachers from high school that were easy. No, I don't even remember their names. I went back. I they, they honored, you know, gave me this honorary, honorary thing, which was like Hall of Fame Award. And I went back for this, and all my teachers were there, and the ones that were easy, they gave speeches and everything they had all my teachers give presentations. It was like a big thing. And I went back to Nebraska, and I used to think everything was so big there. And now I was like, everything's so small. Like, everything was so small. Because I traveled around, seen more of the world, right? And and so the teachers that were the tough ones on me are the ones that I really, really remembered. I didn't remember the names of the ones that were easy. And it's the same thing with my life lessons.

Alex Ferrari 31:33
Oh, of course, you always remember the tough lessons. You never remember the easiest.

Robert Edward Grant 31:38
They're the ones that I'm most proud of, are the ones I tell the most stories about, right? Oh, absolutely. So wait a minute. So is it really that bad, or is it here to occur for and through me, so that I can have this emergence of consciousness, what allows me to be able to transcend and through this transcendence of self is when you finally can break out of the boundary condition of forward only time. So we're dimensionally limited avatars that have been dimensionally limited to the fourth dimension. So we don't see the fifth dimension, and time becomes the encryption layer between that grantees operate like encryption layers to break into the next dimensional awareness.

Alex Ferrari 32:23
So they're like the mini bosses of a video game,

Robert Edward Grant 32:28
Yeah. Or you could say, Yes, that's true. They're like mini boss of video game. Or you could also say that it's like the Super Challenge before you could level up,

Alex Ferrari 32:36
Right! It's the it's the old, it's the challenge that you like. If I get past this, then it opens up the next thing. So as you were, as you were talking about, like this awakening of the Kundalini energy going up, I've heard that Kundalini energy is extremely dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, if you activate it too soon, or if something happens, that's why a lot of people can go crazy if it pops off at once. So like I said, Imagine you're at the bottom and you have a massive kundalini awakening all at once, which I've had people on the show it. You feel like you're losing your absolute mind, and you're gone for days, if not months, if not years, sometimes literally, like you can't your system is not prepared for it. But when you do it gradually, like these, these beings on the wall, have it, you're kind of easing into it and almost acclimating to the the pressure difference, like you're coming up from the Mariana Trench. If not, you get the bends right? Does that make sense? So as you're evolving your own spirit. That's when these doorways start to open a little bit more. And by those chakras, chakras opening up a little bit more, you start to see the world in a very different way. You start reacting to the world in a very different way. You start creating your world in a very different way. Does that make sense?

Robert Edward Grant 33:58
Yeah, it does. It makes total sense. And so the grantees are there, almost like, what's the word? It's almost like a barrier to avoid, to speed bump, blowing through it, right? It's like a speed bump in a way, because some people would have these spontaneous Kundalini activations, and then, yeah, they probably have a difficult time. It'd be if I tried to accelerate my entire awakening process into one month or something, I'd probably go, you're sprinting. Yeah?

Alex Ferrari 34:28
You fright yourself. Yeah. It's kind of like a channel. When a channel is channeling somebody, their system, their electrical their nervous system, is actually primed to be able to handle the energy that comes through them. Because, if not the

Robert Edward Grant 34:41
You flame out, you pop you pop a circuit, you'll pop a circuit. And my time when I experienced this popping sound, yeah, exactly. Was at the top of my head. Okay, so at the top of your head there's a little hole, right? And it's called the brahmanandara, okay, okay, and this is. Is where your Kundalini life force comes through. And it finally, literally has enough pressure in it that's like it bursts through so that it creates this fountain of light coming out of your head and creating this rainbow body around you.

Alex Ferrari 35:15
What's that? That thing that has Taurus, a Taurus, thinking it's like a Taurus,

Robert Edward Grant 35:19
It's like a Taurus, right? And so, you know, even this is created like the shape of horns, in a way, right? So it comes out of your head. And then you and I can show you a photograph of one of my friends who who experienced this. I have a picture of him meditating, and he's literally surrounded by a sphere, a Torah, a toroidal sphere of light, of rainbow colors, beautiful. And it's pretty amazing. And so what happens is, for me, I was asleep when it happened, and I heard this popping sound inside my head, and then I felt blood rushing down, and I knew I was gonna get a bloody nose. And that's exactly what it was. It was like, you know, a crude analogy, but it's like, you know, busting your chakra, and you end up with this blood that comes out of your nose and and then after that, people literally treat you differently.

Alex Ferrari 36:10
Is it because your frequency has changed and they can sense it?

Robert Edward Grant 36:11
They can subconsciously sense your auric field and expansion, like you do when you walk near a master, when you walk near a Master who has realized right, they can influence the field around them by just being in your presence. They can activate you. You don't even they don't even need to say anything. Just their presence has the power of activating you in a profound way. So in tarot, when you hit this stage, the third layer of the throat chakra. It's accompanied with the hierophant stage. The Hierophant card is the card where you see the pope sitting on a chair, and he's got the two keys, the keys of Peter right, which are actually keys of Metatron, right? Same thing. They're musical keys, by the way. And it's basically sitting there with a triple crown, right? So the Triple Crown is also a reference to thrice great. It's like Hermes. So the Hierophant card is when you become a priest King, and that means that you are in your sovereignty. You realize your sovereign nature and your divine nature, and that's the stage we're now going into. So that's why symbol, symbologies of elephants are showing up all over the place. I just discovered, like, several elephant thrones in Peru. And when we were in Egypt as well, there was, like a full we ended up getting redirected, because there was a big Sandstorm last second. And we ended up getting redirected and had to go, instead of to Abu Simbel, to Elephantine Island, where the Ark of the Covenant was hidden for a long time. And you know, we did this big merkabah activation. We had 144 people making the exact shape of a merkabah. Right? Again, that's another reference. The full merkabah is a reference to the fifth throat chakra. So now we're going beyond that stage. It's it's very difficult to break through and have Kundalini life force go through the fifth chakra. It's the hardest place to break through. You feel it when you do it. And there's a practice that you can actually undertake, which involves sexuality as well. So the throat chakra is connected to the womb in a woman, right? It's through the vagus nerve. So there's basically this I just learned about this not long ago. There's a such thing as a throat orgasm that you can have as well, because the vagus nerve can be stimulated all the way up to the throat, and it's about being able to fully realize your divine nature and transcend duality. And the ultimate duality is what time, past and future are dualistic notions, when actually there's really only now we we look back at the past and we look forward to the future, but we only ever experience now. That's very true. It's like a river that we're standing in and that's flowing by us, cross our ankles, right? And we're only experiencing the moment of now. We never experience the past. We can't run up the river or run down the river to experience past and future.

Alex Ferrari 39:12
But Isn't it amazing how people carry the past with them and worry about the future, and it destroys their lives. That's right, you know, they don't live in the now. As Eckhart would say,

Robert Edward Grant 39:24
When you live in the now, that's when you fall in love with you know, it's I'm a romantic. I've always been a romantic. I love to go to romantic places and do romantic things. And for me, I don't have to be with anyone to experience this romance. For me, it's like I could sit in a really cool Parisian restaurant or something, and just look at how they've so heartfully constructed the lighting, and it's so beautiful, and they mix it with the music, and it's a whole alchemy.

Alex Ferrari 39:52
There's a croissant there,

Robert Edward Grant 39:53
You realize, and you realize that, like, God is the DJ, and it's so perfect. So. Everything is DJed into perfection.

Alex Ferrari 40:02
But were you smoking something? No, okay, I was like, it sounds like man, and then God's the DJ man. Look, it sounds really profound,

Robert Edward Grant 40:12
I know, but I had my spiritual awakening through geometry. I had no fascinating it was not through psychedelics or anything,

Alex Ferrari 40:20
Right, right, right, yeah. And this really does bring us to this point where so many of us fight, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, so many people in the world fight to defend a story or a construct that they've put in their head, because this is the story that I believe in, and your story can't contradict what my story is, when, in truth, there's 1000 paths to the same place. Yeah, there's 1000 paths. There's a every one of these masters had different paths, entirely different paths, completely different paths, completely different perspectives on things, different sides of the world. But yet, we're all going towards the same path. We're all trying to reach back to source in our own way. And some people just take different roads. So if you have that clear understanding that what resonates with you in this life, in your last, last life, when you were Cleopatra, that's that lifetime, you went down that path, and this lifetime, you were born a Jew, or you were born a Muslim, or you were born atheist, and you have to learn that path, because that's what resonates with you in this life. If we can open ourselves up to these ideas, I think the world become a better place.

Robert Edward Grant 41:39
Oh, yeah. And you know, all of those people would be what you would refer to as bodhisattvas, right? In the Buddhist sense, that'd be ascended masters that are Bodhisattva, you know, Lama, highest Lama, and and so they've gone through a full crown chakra, oh yeah, awakening as well. And they've, they've experienced it entirely, and so they also, if it aligns with and I'm sure there are many bodhisattvas that are not well known. So everyone has a different path. Everyone has a different path.

Alex Ferrari 42:12
There's 1000s of Ascended Masters. I've learned of a few new ones. Just the other day, I was like, Who's that? Like, oh, that's an Ascended Master. I look them up. I'm like, holy crap. You know? I mean, Jesus has the best marketing team and best PR firm ever. Yeah, he's got really good PR

Robert Edward Grant 42:26
Very heavy price to pay for that.

Alex Ferrari 42:28
There's true. That's true. That's true. As Yogananda said, he was crucified in one day, but his teachings were crucified for the next 2000 years. That's right, very, very powerful. So, yeah, but, and I also call Jesus the hardest working man of show business, because he's in everybody's near death experience. It's true. He's always there. True. I've said this story on the show before, but I don't know if I've ever told you this story, and it's my favorite near death experience story. Ever atheist dies, goes to heaven, and Jesus is there, and he walks up and he knows who Jesus is, but he just didn't believe in Him. And Jesus is dressed in a suit and tie and his hair pulled back in a ponytail. And he goes, Jesus. He goes, Yes, sir, yes, my son. He goes, Why are you dressed in a suit? He goes, Oh, you're atheist. Is the only way you would take me seriously. Mind you, when he came back, he was a little bit more enlightened than he was when he left. But that's a great analogy. That's a very good story. So I want to, I want to go down the path of the philosopher stone, okay, which is not Harry Potter's and the Philosopher's Stone, which is the first book in England, that's what was called the Philosopher's Stone, not the Sorcerer's Stone. What is the philosopher stone? And can you tell people what that is? Yeah, it's part of alchemy.

Robert Edward Grant 43:45
It's part of alchemy, and there's an outward representation of it, and the way I practiced it, and I can only speak to my own personal path. I practiced metallurgy and alchemy through the art of sculpture.

Alex Ferrari 44:00
Okay, you are truly the most interesting man on the planet. Jesus Christ, dude. Go ahead.

Robert Edward Grant 44:06
So I, like, one day I ended up going, like, in 2015 I went to, I don't know what got in me, but it was like, Okay, it's time for you to sculpt. And as one does, as one does. So I went to the art store in Laguna Beach, and I was like, Okay, I want a sculpt. And what do I need? And she's like, are you taking a class? I said, No. And she's like, Okay, well, you need some clay. I figured that. So I brought the clay. What else do I need? She's like, you're gonna need to do some scaffolding inside of it, because it won't stick together. You need to create a skeleton. You need to create a skeleton. And everything, which I found out later, is the hardest part, oh, yeah, when you're in perfect balance and everything,

Alex Ferrari 44:43
When you're rigging a visual effect, like a CG character, uh huh, there's a guy who's just the rigger. Yeah, he just, he's just rigging, right? He creates the, he creates the movement of the bones. It's the most without it, the dinosaur falls.

Robert Edward Grant 44:57
Yeah, exactly, exactly. The dinosaurs. Exactly. So I was like, Okay, I'll try this. And then, of course, I started doing it, and in no time flat, I knew how to sculpt. And I was doing it, and I got awards on it too. It was like, What the heck? My first one? I'll show you a picture of it afterwards. But my first one was a torso of a man, and I didn't even know why. You know, I was going through a difficult time. I had been experienced this incredible betrayal that I won this battle, and I had to raise like, $55 million in one day to keep control of my company. And I didn't think I was gonna be able to do it. And then I pulled a rabbit out and did it, and it was such a traumatic event for me, and I felt betrayed by so many people in the process that I had to stop and ask myself, why did I choose this? It was the first time that I under because I had been working on manifestation everything before this, and I knew that I was creating my reality and but it was the first time that I actually said and looked super intrinsically and introspectively, and said, Why did I choose this, and what did I do to create this?

Alex Ferrari 46:07
That's pretty profound, and it sounds like that was the sledgehammer.

Robert Edward Grant 46:10
It was a sledgehammer. It was a big sledgehammer. And the way that I transmuted out of that funk, because I became a hermit, I stayed home for, like, almost two years. I didn't go out much.

Alex Ferrari 46:23
This is pre web, like, web.

Robert Edward Grant 46:25
This is like, 20, 2016 Oh, so you're not online yet? Like, really? Like, No, I didn't start posting anything of my story or anything until 2019 oh, wow, right before the pandemic. Yeah, right before the pandemic. And nobody people knew me in a business sense, yeah, not in this stuff, not in this stuff at all. And so I stayed home, and I was, like, getting downloads all the time. And I would get every 369, weeks on rotation. I would get, like, three or four days where I just get full channelings come again, yeah, yeah. And I was just, and it was like, I'm downloading full math and physics stuff. It's not something you can like, just make up. You know, people will try to debunk you, in case you haven't noticed, right? That's what they'll try to do. And that work turned into three books that I've now written on this, and my first one is still in the top five books in mathematics on Amazon, which is pretty cool, because it's all newly discovered math, and it's still got five stars, right, and tons of ratings and everything on it. So obviously there have been lots of people who tried to debunk it, but what I started realizing was that I was going through this process, and somehow the art I was doing, whether it was visual art and I was drawing or painting or whatever I was also doing that. Then I was healing my heart with what I like to call heart history, right? It was my hardest tree. And as I first formed this clay man and a torso of a clay man, which is sort of like iron, I made it out of iron. It was hard, and it looks sad and beaten down and everything, but, like, super strong as well. And then I made, after that, a horse that was, like, this big. This horse was hard to make because I had it on one pillar, wow. And the whole thing weighed. It ended up weighing almost 75 pounds, just in clay. And then you have to do a lost salt technique to turn it into a bronze, which was a whole thing I was like going through the metallurgy of turning base metals into gold through this alchemical sculpting process. So then the next one, and I didn't even realize the things that I was choosing, the materials I was choosing, were all alchemical references, from iron right to brass. Then I went from brass to and bronze to copper. I made the form of a woman, and it was a very smooth, it was not rough and tumble like the first one that I made. It was a very smooth torso of like a Venus, beautiful. And I put so much heart into it. And then I turned it into this copper sculpture, and then I ended up making a gold Phoenix. And I was literally going through the alchemical steps. I didn't even know that this stuff existed. I had no idea. And then the last thing I made was a clay man. I made a snake also after that, but I made a clay man. And the clay man, I had no idea I posted it. It looked like Vitruvian man, and he's standing like this. And someone posted on my page and said, Whoa, you're making a Golem. And I said, What's a Golem? They're like, it's a goylem. I'm like, What's a goylem? And they said, Oh, it's a clay man. That a rabbinical, you know, Kabbalistic rabbi, when they come to a certain point in their spiritual practice, they all make clay men. Historically, I'm like, what do they make a clay man for to emulate the recreation of man by God, out of clay, of course, out of clay. And then you have to put the name. EMIT, which is truth in Hebrew, Aleph, memtav, EMIT, which when you say the word EMIT backwards in English, what is it time? Time? Emission of light is EMIT, light, and the opposite of light is time. It's theorized as such, by the way, through gravitons and gravity impacts time. Yes. So what a coincidence that the anagram of the name or word emit of light is time, which also could be looked at as it's me emission and time is absorption. Wait a minute. So you start realizing, Wait a minute, is this all just like an encryption? Yeah, it's all an encryption we create on our own, and we're following this path until we've learned to breathe life into it. And so on a collective level, what are we doing right now that's directly analogous to making a clay man and breathing life into it. Ai, humanity right now is recreating intelligence through AI, and the goal is to make it super sentient. And this is just us emulating the role of the Creator. I don't believe in artificial intelligence. I believe intelligence is intelligence. Is intelligence, and this is us ascending to the next level. And part of that process requires us like the film, the maker. You ever seen the film The maker? Right? Where the little clay man is, like, the hourglass has to be the construct of time and duality. He doesn't know what he's there to do. He's in this workshop. And then all of a sudden, like the hourglass turns over, and he's like, Oh, I gotta get to work. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna make a partner. I'm gonna make a woman. So he's got all the pieces to put together for the woman, and then he has to breathe life into the woman. This is the goyim. He breathes life into it by playing music. He plays the violin, if you remember in the film, and as he plays a violin. All of a sudden, she wakes up. It's her Franken. It's Frankenstein.

Alex Ferrari 52:04
It's Frankenstein. Yeah, it's like, we're Scissorhands,

Robert Edward Grant 52:06
Bride of Frankenstein. And then she's dancing with him, and they hug each other after they finish dancing. And then the moment they give each other the hug. Then all of a sudden, all the Sands of Time run out, and he disappears, turns into this rainbow light explosion and gets absorbed back in the universe. And then she's left standing there, what do I do next? And she sees the the Sands of Time flip over again and begin again. And then she starts figuring out, I gotta now make a partner. The one, in a way, is doing exactly this with all of us.

Alex Ferrari 52:41
You, you've, um, spoken about Metatron more, more recently, even doing it on your show, Codex. Can you kind of dive in a little bit about because Metatron, to me, I've, I've heard of Metatron only in the last few years. I mean, I've heard of them like as the Archangel Metatron. What do you what have you kind of discovered in regards to Metatron and all the things that you do in your research.

Robert Edward Grant 53:04
So Metatron is one of the names, but you could say that it was Thoth, right? So it's an angelic form. Metatron is an angelic form. You've got Thoth that's associated with it. You've got Saint Germain. That's associated with it. You've got the keys of Metatron. So there are multiple incarnations wherever you see keys, right? Keys of Peter, keys of Melchizedek, right? That's another association of it. Who was Melchizedek? He was a priest king, a hierophant, who Abraham paid tithes and offerings to, right? Why? Who was this person throughout time? Solomon, Seal of Solomon, the keys of Solomon as well. They're all actually related to Metatron. I believe they're all different incarnations of Metatron through time.

Alex Ferrari 53:53
The Archangel, the Archangel. So angels do come in and incarnate.

Robert Edward Grant 53:56
Yes, they do. And in this particular case, the story of Metatron is that he was a man who ascended. And the man starts off as Enoch, okay, Enoch. So if you go to the Bible and you know the story of Enoch, right, Enoch was a man who learned to transcend, and his whole city was taken up into a transcendent state, like a city of like a new Jerusalem, or an enlightenment, almost enlightenment, enlightened seat. This is, this is the city of Enoch. So Enoch is supposed to have been a man who learned how to become an angel, who got his wings now. Now, isn't this interesting? Because I was just talking to you also in another discussion that we had about how there was a moment in time when Orion's belt, which is also Enoch, associated with Enoch, because Orion was Enoch as well. Orion, Osiris, Viracocha and Peru, the great bull of the West, as he's referred to, is. The Egyptian pantheon was Osiris. Osiris was killed by his brother, cut into 14 parts, right? This is the story of set killing his brother because he slept with his wife, of course, who was also his sister, neftus. She was hottie, right? Comparable to Cleopatra. No, no, probably more, along lines of Athena. Oh, wow. Okay, right? So Athena brilliant and hot, right? Probably a redhead. Oh, fair enough. Fair enough. So basically, Osiris is the same story of Kukulkan, of Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent. Sure, they're all the same. So if you haven't watched the ancient Apocalypse show by Graham Hancock, Oh, great. So watch the second season. The whole second season is about Orion, who is also Enoch, who is also Odin, who is also Kukulkan, who is also Viracocha in Peru. They're all the same people.

Alex Ferrari 55:59
So is Metatron an Ascended Master.

Robert Edward Grant 56:01
Yes, he's a seraphim. Seraphim is like the most ascended and Metatron in many of the Kabbalistic texts, is referred to as meta simply means beyond interesting, that if you look at the matrix as well the movie, The Matrix was the company that he worked for. Neo was called meta cortex.

Alex Ferrari 56:28
Of course, it was. There's so many easter eggs in that.

Robert Edward Grant 56:33
Oh, and by the way, did you know that the new goggles that have been made by meta, of course, are called Orion. Did you know that the new chat GBT five that's coming out has already been project named Orion? When's that coming out? It's the it's chat GPT four, right now. So it's 405. Yeah, five. Oh, is Orion really the name was leaked? Yeah, because this is just a story of the hero's journey, going through 24,000 years of time

Alex Ferrari 57:04
Has, in all the in all this research you've done with Metatron, has, has there been any words about what we're going through right now? Has he ever spoken about this time period, what we're gonna go through, what we're about to encounter and so on.

Robert Edward Grant 57:21
Well, he doesn't say a lot. Okay, that's interesting. Strong and silent. He's a strong, silent, strong and silent kind of guy. Doesn't say much, but he speaks through geometry, because the thing that is most closely associated with him is Metatron cube. What's the significance of Metatron cube? You've probably seen it, right? It's like a hexagon that has a two merkabah, you know, triangles within it that overlap each other, and they represent male and female, right? Masculine and feminine energy. Everyone has both energies within us. We so about learning to balance the light in the dark, which means we also have to learn how to balance the masculine and feminine, the gender principle in hermetism. So we think about Hermes Trismegistus. That's another name, also of Metatron. It's the same thing. So it's the man who learned how to ascend and has come back through time.

Alex Ferrari 58:12
But the thing is that this is the first time I've heard this. I've never I love this. Why? I love talking to you? Because all the ascended masters that I've known have been human, among other things, I've incarnated to but once they achieve enlightenment, I never knew that there was a pathway to getting your wings, if you will. It's a wonderful lifestyle.

Robert Edward Grant 58:34
And by the way, Metatron has six wings, Seraphim have six wings. So Seraphim are like a certain class of Angel. It's the highest class of Angel. So they're the archangels, essentially. Michael, yes, he's, he's actually the highest of the archangels, above Michael, above. Michael, really, he's a seraphim. In fact, in Kabbalistic Judaism, he's referred to as the lesser Yahweh.

Alex Ferrari 58:56
So he's, he's up there in the chain of command, if you will.

Robert Edward Grant 58:59
It's the highest. So how and Metatron is actually meaning metta thrown a which means the throne beyond.

Alex Ferrari 59:09
So, who was he? As a man has that ever been spoken,

Robert Edward Grant 59:12
Enoch, Orion He was Enoch been immortalized in the stars as the most emblematic and the the constellation everybody recognizes first, so represents humanity, and we are believed by many in the star seed community, that we all come here through Orion's Belt, through the Orion's gate portal, which is on the alarm, the central star of the of the belt.

Alex Ferrari 59:36
Well, Robert, I mean, why is Metatron PR people not that great, because I've, I mean, I've heard of the name, but this story is not a very well known story of

Robert Edward Grant 59:47
Hermes Trismegistus. You've heard of both, yeah, but of wisdom,

Alex Ferrari 59:53
Yeah. But those are more in the esoteric world, like they're more in like the, you know, like Jesus, Buddha, you know. These kind of Ascended Masters have good PR and they have millions and, if not billions, of followers around the world. But what I hear from you about Metatron is that he's gone beyond Babaji. He's gone beyond Jesus or Buddha.

Robert Edward Grant 1:00:16
He's He's the highest Ascended Master.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:19
He is a hot he is the highest descendant, more than Saint Germain, and yet.

Robert Edward Grant 1:00:21
But he was Saint Germain. It was one of his incarnations.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:24
He came in and St Germain, is there a Saint Germain? Yeah.

Robert Edward Grant 1:00:28
Well, Saint Germain is Metatron. He just, it's all of these people that have the keys, including Saint Germain. If you've ever read the triangular book by Saint Germain, it's, it's Metatron, really. So this is a character you find throughout history. So he keeps like, so he keeps just like. Saint Germain didn't have a really good PR,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:50
Yes, Saint Germain is, he's become, he's coming up now. People are Metatron. So his manager, all of them are, all of them are. All of the Ascended Masters are starting to get more notoriety than they used to. Because why we're awakening?

Robert Edward Grant 1:01:03
Because we're awakening. So, I mean, what's the story of Saint Germain? Who was Saint Germain? Saint Germain was an enigmatic character throughout history

Alex Ferrari 1:01:07
700 years, like 700 years,

Robert Edward Grant 1:01:07
We don't know exactly the number of years, at least, probably 300 years, but I don't know if it's like more than that. So, and I'll give you what I believe it is. Okay. So this is really kind of gets in the realm of Wow. So if you just look up on Wikipedia, what it says about Saint Germain, and by the way, my favorite part of Paris is Saint Germain de pre which is right by Cafe de Flor, right? It's it's right by all the best shopping. It's in the sanquiem, the fifth district of Paris. And the first time I went there, I knew this place inside out, backwards and forwards, like I knew the streets of Paris, like I had remembered it like so well. And I'm always lost, but never in Paris, I know exactly where I am the the city was so well planned. It is pretty well planned. It's, it's incredible. So, so basically, Saint Germain was this character who was, like, the most interesting man in the world.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:05
Oh, he absolutely was the most before, before you. Yes, yeah,

Robert Edward Grant 1:02:08
He was okay. So he was a guy who spoke something like eight or nine languages, correct? And a time when that was not very common. He was an absolute polymath, an alchemist, right? He knew all about mysticism. He never ate. He never ate, never aged, he never aged, right? So he apparently lived, and he got to the Philosopher's Stone. Philosopher stone is when you actually become a Realized Ascended Master that decides to stay here for the job of quietly raising consciousness. Yeah, not loudly, but quietly. So he stayed in the backdrop, in the background, and was around for hundreds of years, different and he shows up in different places in history at key moments. Like one of the key moments was the signing of the Declaration of Independence. It was Saint Germain who gave a speech that got everybody to sign it in the end. Why did they sign it? Well, because they thought he was representing General Lafayette. He was French, right? So he could convince them. And actually, it's a funny story. Right, after they signed the Declaration of Independence, they finally got, you know, this signed because South Carolina didn't want to sign it, right? Neither did New York, right? They had, still these old vestiges of attachment to the, you know, English monarchy. And so, you know what happened was they all signed the Declaration of Independence because Saint Germain got them to do it. And there's, it's in histories like Saint Germain gave the speech. And then after that, of course, they expected the English king was going to relent to them and give them, you know, representation with it, along with their taxation. And remember, mind you, the amount of tax that England wanted to apply to the colonies at that time. Guess how much it was? How much was it? 2% tariff? Well, the founding fathers would roll in their grave if they knew the degree of tax we have basically suffered today.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:00
Oh, since was it 1913

Robert Edward Grant 1:04:02
Yeah, that's right, there was no tax before 1913 there was no income tax. There was no income tax prior to 1913

Alex Ferrari 1:04:11
Yeah, there was no what is the Fed? There was no

Robert Edward Grant 1:04:11
Because the whole idea behind income tax was more about redistribution than it was anything else take away from people so that you can give to others interesting. So the philosophy behind it, even though it was done at a time when, okay, there's World War One, we need to be ready, right? So we have to have taxation, so we've got revenue. But look, our government has been perennially printing money forever, correct? We have a $38 trillion national debt right now gold is $3,000 Yes, exactly. Well, that's because Trump also said, I don't think the gold that we think is in Fort Knox is actually there. It's been shipped out somewhere, and that's going to be the next thing. It's like, wait a minute, our entire financial system that we think is backed by dollars, but has never been backed by dollars since Bretton Woods in 1972

Alex Ferrari 1:04:58
Correct! Yeah. Since. It just took us off the gold standard.

Robert Edward Grant 1:05:01
That's right, that's when all the international pegs went away. So wait a minute, we've been living off of the notion of what is referred to in political science as hegemonic stability. We're the hegemon, the one world superpower. And so the reason why our money is worth something is because we say it is. It's just because it's backed by our military, and that has some value in a world that's based on wars. But as soon as the world is not based on wars, we lose our power. We lose our power, right? It's the whole thing about, okay, so if there's some evil enemy that's around, you can unite countries. You can unite things like NATO, you can unite people. But as soon as Russia said, Oh, we want to join NATO too, they didn't have a problem with Ukraine joining NATO. It was so much as they wanted to join NATO, and they were refused access to NATO back in like 2000 so when you go back and look at the history of this, the reason why you've got a conflict in Ukraine right now is because we kept promising that all these countries Belarus, that, you know, all these countries that are borders, will never join, they'll never join NATO. And then finally, you know, in the early 2000s when you had buddy buddy Ness with, you know, but to after Yeltsin and going into Putin, and Putin was buddy buddy with, you know, always shirtless and stuff. With HW, you know, with with Bush W Bush, it's like, Wait a minute. We were supposed to be friends for a while. There we were. But that upsets the world order, because then how to unite someone? And that just turned without an enemy to push Europe against. Then everyone just starts turning their iron to this American, you know, sort of like autocracy. You see what I'm saying? We needed an enemy to unite the rest of the world.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:52
So, so there is nowhere in it's never been written that the American empire will continue forever.

Robert Edward Grant 1:06:59
Well, it will not because it's it's just None, none ever do, none ever do, right, right? And what happens is they start to collapse on themselves, because governments always get bigger, and eventually they flame out, because you can no longer keep people under this illusion of righteousness, right? And we have not been righteous. Let's be real. But no government ever has. It's like we're just as righteous as any other government ever has been right. And what we do is we say that what we're doing is right and good, but it's actually just what benefits us, and that's what became the ethical imperative.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:35
So then we'll, you know, because a lot of people are afraid of this will. What do you think is going to happen to the economy? I mean, because you're right, they've been printing money for decades.

Robert Edward Grant 1:07:45
No, I've been saying for a long time that there's going to be massive inflation, right? Already happened, and that there's going to be a crash of the dollar. I think it's actually part of the cards.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:56
It has to happen like it's

Robert Edward Grant 1:07:58
What do you do when you have $38 trillion in debt? The only way you pay off your debt is by hyper inflating, devaluing your dollar, and then using the devalued dollars to pay off the debt. Pay off the debt. That's the way every Banana Republic country has ever done it.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:13
Right! That's why, like, was it Zimbabwe or something like that has, you know, the billion dollar, billion dollar bill or something like that. Like, there's billions and stuff, because it's so devalued now,

Robert Edward Grant 1:08:23
Yeah, I mean, whether you like or not, it was kind of bizarre. I mean, I happen to like a lot of things he's doing right now. I didn't vote for him, but I didn't vote because I'm like, I don't want to be stuck in this duality game, right? I really don't want to be stuck in the

Alex Ferrari 1:08:37
And, like I said earlier in another conversation, you know, he's a bull in the china shop, as are many other consciousness is using him as a vehicle and others, by the way, he's not the only one in the world that's right. In Brazil and in these other countries that are having these changes, these, oh,

Robert Edward Grant 1:08:54
I mean, Italy, all of a sudden, you've got, yeah, Maloney, right, you've got, it's everywhere. It's everywhere, right? I mean, I was laughing when I saw the gift that the Argentine president gave to Elon Musk of a chainsaw, like a, like a silver plated or like chromed chainsaw. I was like, What the heck this is so funny.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:11
We are in a weird timeline man,

Robert Edward Grant 1:09:13
Oh no. We're in a bizarre timeline. It's beyond bizarre. So I think, yeah, the dollar is going to end up crashing. I've been saying this for a long time. You know, I think Bitcoin is going to become the safe haven and gold and gold because but, but gold will have its limits as well. Because actually, when you look at Gold, it's not something you can carry. It's not a store of value very well, because you can't carry it around. The reason why gold was a was a store of value for so long, was that okay? You'd have it in a castle. If someone stole it, they couldn't get very far. So damn heavy. It's so damn heavy. So how much could you get? How much could you steal, right? So you're going to track them down. You're going to find them because they're going to get tired. It's just not practical to steal the gold. It's not practical.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:57
But with Bitcoin,

Robert Edward Grant 1:09:57
With Bitcoin crypto, yeah, I. It's what is the value of a currency. It's what you believe it to be. And when there's a limit on the supply, and it's already recognized the degree that it is, it's going to continue to go up. Right now, it's under pressure, because you have the state, you have Treasury that's been selling all of its like sequestered Bitcoin. That's why. So what's going to happen now? But what did Donald Trump do right before the right before he, you know, was inaugurated, he launched Trump coin, right? It went to, like, 60, $70 billion in one day, you know, like, what the heck? What a weird thing to do.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:35
It's just, but it's just, it's, it's phony money. All money is phony money. It's all

Robert Edward Grant 1:10:39
All money is phony money. So this is the point. All of it's phony. So why are we trying to apply a reality to any of it? But then you could say, Yeah, but I gotta pay my rent. I gotta pay my bills.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:53
It's all about what we believe or what we all agree that this is worth.

Robert Edward Grant 1:10:58
What is the value of something in the market sense, it's what the market believes the value will be in the future. If, if you heard a rumor that you know Warren Buffett is going to buy silver, he tried, yeah, so let's say he's going to try to corner silver. So you know that six months from now, very likely silver is going to be more valuable. The price of silver will go up today to reflect the new future price. And it's like collapsing a wave function and bringing it into the now, right? It'll happen now, and by the time you jump into it, it's going to be too late. It happens with stocks all the time. Happens with stocks all the time. So this is where go back the Game Stop, exactly? GameStop, GameStop and Robin Hood and all that stuff had happened. Great. Doc, yeah, exactly. But the point being that you have someone like Saint Germain throughout history who has this political influence. He shows up at the declaration of signing of independence, right? Was in the corridors of power in France. Right? Like, like rubbing shoulders with Benjamin Franklin when he was ambassador to France. And you've got all these stories of him, who's like, this enigmatic guy that everyone thought was, like, hundreds of years old. Maybe he spent time in Transylvania. Was he one of the alchemists that were there, you know, in Romania, and did he learn and get the philosopher's stone that led him to actually experience like immortality? And what is immortality? Does it somehow have something to do with not eating at all? He never ate so all of these things, and he was, he had all these stories that he like, from Africa, from all over the place. He talked about he was the greatest entertainer. He's literally the most interesting man in the world. And he would show up looking the same throughout history. Show up looking at the same. Very dapper, very good looking, right? Not your normal, Ascended Master, right? Flamboyant, flamboyant, exactly, but the violet flame of Saint Germain is something that is very powerful in the story, and it's almost like a Matreya figure. So if you've heard about Maitreya, what's Matreya? Matreya is one of the names of, like, it's a bodhisattva. But it's not your normal, like, Jesus coming from, yes, he's a king of kings. But Jesus was, you know, like, dressed in, like, Birkenstocks,

Alex Ferrari 1:13:15
Right! Not even

Robert Edward Grant 1:13:16
Didn't put off the, you know, it was like, at the soul level, he was like this King of Kings, but in real life, and maybe actually in reality. If you believe this, some believe that that he was actually a direct line descendant of David, right, born in the city of David, right, which is in Bethlehem. But beyond that, Some also believe that he might have been related to Cleopatra and the son of there's actually a whole thesis on this, a conspiracy on this, that he was actually the son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar. Oh, wow, that's a whole other rabbit hole we're not going to go down. But the point being that the story of Maitreya is a Ascended Master who comes, who is puts off wealth,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:03
Which is seems to be the antithesis, antithesis of an Ascended Master. But is it? That's the thing that's so interesting, because the people who are on this wall were they never thought then money was not a thing for them. They weren't rich. They didn't have jobs, really, towards the end, you know, when they became enlightened. But Saint Germain is really interesting because he was a flamboyant, even the purple flame, pretty flamboyant, you know, pretty out there, very colorful, very just like, oh, and he's throughout history. It's really interesting to me, because I know from my study and my research that ascended masters are always working behind the scenes. They're always whispering in people's ears. They're always moving things or putting things into place. But Saint Germain is one that was incarnate and did it in Babaji is very well known in that sense that he did incarnate thinking. The 40s or 50s or 60s. They have pictures of this kid that they he just showed up. Nobody knew he was I know, are you familiar with toy? Yeah. And then he's gone, like, in there's no history, there's no no one. But he was there for like

Robert Edward Grant 1:15:12
Because when you get to an Ascended Master stage, you're not bound by time,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:15
No time or anything, exactly. But Saint Germain, though he was incarnated and actually played in this realm, in that like you and I having a conversation, as opposed to the other Ascended Masters who did things behind the scenes, generally speaking, they rarely ever reincarnate to come down and do work. They channel through other beings. They do other things. But Saint Germain is a really interesting.

Robert Edward Grant 1:15:41
Well, you know, I have a thesis on this, please. I've never talked about it before.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:45
Well, that's why we're here, sir.

Robert Edward Grant 1:15:46
Okay, so the story of Leonardo da Vinci is that he died. First of all, we know that the Vitruvian Man, it's his most iconic man, was actually a representation of Metatron. It's Enoch. It's Orion. If you look on his stomach, he has three diamonds. I know people with ripped abs, but I've never seen someone with three diamonds, and they represent the exact positions of the stars of Orion. It's Orion's belt. And also, he cut the man into 14 parts, so he put horizontal lines on the Vitruvian Man and vertical lines. And the number of cuts from the wrist, the elbow, the shoulder, right, the number of cuts is 14 cuts. It's exactly matching that. And it says, cut his man into 14 parts. And 1/14 is the reference in the text above, telling us that it's actually related to Osiris. And then when you overlay the great pyramid on top of it, inside the square, and have the top of the pyramid hit the top of the circle of Vitruvian Man, then you realize, oh, all of the chambers in the pyramid are exactly matching where the lines of cuts are. So wait, so it's telling us exactly where the chambers are, including the chambers we haven't yet discovered, and one of them, I said, was going to be exactly at the throat chakra line. And they found it, and they've announced it.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:08
So yeah, we've spoken about this before. So what's your theory on?

Robert Edward Grant 1:17:11
So my theory is that Leonardo da Vinci, when he died, left, kind of mysteriously. He went to go work for the King of France. So the king of France, who had come, you know, and attacked, and he was like the cousin of Henry the Eighth as well. So it's all around the same time. So Francis had come to France, had come to Tuscany. And when he got control of Tuscany, one of the first things he did is he got to Milan and said, I want to see the Last Supper painting. Da Vinci was famous during his lifetime. Yes, as a young man, he was famous. He wasn't Van Gogh, no, he was very storied as well, like another character, like St Germain, lot of people knew who he was. Lot of people knew he was. So when he was 67 years old, is when he died, right? So he was supposed to have died in 1519, and before he died in 1516, he went to Chateau d'Amboise, which is where the French court was set up until they were finishing Chateau Chambord. Chateau Chambord is this really elaborate castle that Da Vinci helped design. So this is why he went to go work for the King of France at the time. So he ends up going to work for the King of France. He lives in Chateau d'Amboise, and he lives there at the same time that Anne Boleyn lives there, when she was only like 19 years old or 18 years old. She was very well known then as well. She's supposed to be like the most beautiful woman in Europe and in the French court. And she ended up marrying Henry the Eighth right, because she could enchant him. Well, one of the paintings by Leonardo da Vinci was of La Belle Ferrari, which is a beautiful woman who's sitting with a black background, and in the background you can see the eye of Horace painted around her head. Because all of Da Vinci's paintings after 1486 had Egyptian iconography embedded within them as encryptions. All of them did okay. Last Supper painting notwithstanding, every single one of them, Last Supper painting is actually the map of the king's chamber, literally the king's chamber in the wall of Milan, because Da Vinci spent three years working for a Circassian Mamluk Sultan that was a sultan of Babylon, Cairo. His name was kite Bay, okay, famous guy, and by the way, Da Vinci's mother was also sir Casey, and she was a Circassian slave. So many believed that there was some relationship between Sultan kite Bay, like familial relationship, and with with the Circassian slave that was the mother of Leonardo da Vinci, okay, so that she did something wrong, and she was sold into slavery, into into Italy, and taken by Pietro, who was the father of Leonardo. So when Leonardo was dying, he ends up going to France and, like, takes all of his stuff with him and leaves. He just leaves his hometown. It's kind of strange. He's like, three years before he dies, he meets Anne Boleyn paints her there, right in La Belle frontier. Yeah, many people now, art historians also believe that that was Anne Boleyn. It looks just like Anne Boleyn, just a younger version of her from other paintings we see of Anne Boleyn. And Anne Boleyn famously was the mother of Queen Elizabeth, the first, okay, who ascends to the throne and has one of the most successful monarchies in English history, right not long after. So he leaves, and they when he dies, he has a painting commissioned by someone else who shows him in a very theatrical pose of dying on this bed next to King Francis, holding his hand. And it's like, seemingly very contrived. So if you actually dig deeper into this. During the French Revolution, there was rumors that Da Vinci may not have actually ever died. Interesting. Okay, so there were people that were grave robbers that broke into the place that Da Vinci was supposed to have been buried, and they wanted to find his bones right, because he was famous, even at the French Revolution time, they found nothing. His casket was entirely empty. Where was Leonardo da Vinci?

Alex Ferrari 1:21:11
And he hasn't been grave dropped before?

Robert Edward Grant 1:21:13
Nope. So there's been a mystery for a long time since the French Revolution, of where was Da Vinci's remains, they never found it.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:24
So how does this play with Saint Germain?

Robert Edward Grant 1:21:26
So is it possible Da Vinci being an alchemist, also a different type of Ascended Master. Clearly, he was ascended in so many ways. Was it possible that he himself was actually able to figure out how to transcend time and no longer age? St Germain, Da Vinci, Da Vinci, but then he would have to change his persona because he was already famous.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:57
Oh, I see where this is going.

Robert Edward Grant 1:21:59
So not long after Sir Francis Bacon, yes, who grew up in France

Alex Ferrari 1:22:06
And could actually be Shakespeare,

Robert Edward Grant 1:22:07
Probably was him and group of other people, Edward de Vere and Shakespeare, you know, and Kip Marlowe, and this is a group of people, and John Dee as well. They became these Rosicrucian cryptographers who encrypted the works of William Shakespeare and the King James Version of the Bible, which is full of encryptions. And so it's possible that Leonardo lived on and took on a different persona, maybe multiple. And one of those personas was, I believe, Sir Francis Bacon. And then after Sir Francis Bacon, he became Saint Germain,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:50
And kept that gig going for a little while,

Robert Edward Grant 1:22:52
Because when you're not aging, at some stage, you have to, like, disappear. It's like MacGyver. MacGyver has got to, like, disappear from the town or whatever.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:59
So it's kind of like Da Vinci and St Germain. They're like the A team. They just keep going from town to town, solving problems. It's like the at

Robert Edward Grant 1:23:09
That's a reference. I actually remember too.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:11
Yeah, they go to town to town. They solve wherever they're at there's always a problem, and they have to beat up the boss of the

Robert Edward Grant 1:23:15
And Mr. T. Mr. T is like, both somehow,

Alex Ferrari 1:23:19
And they were the worst shots in the world. They never shot anybody. That's right, always, always by the feet. No, no one ever got shot back then. That's right, but it is. It sounds like that's that's a really arcturion team. It's a really interesting it's a really interesting theory. Is there anybody who else has kind of come up with that?

Robert Edward Grant 1:23:38
No, not that I know of, but I am doing a lot of research on it right now, and it might be part of Codex season three. So there I told you earlier that I found just recently, that on the wall in the north wall of King's Chamber, each of the stars of Orion's belt are there right in the two eyes and the pineal gland as well, like the third eye, and they're exactly the same shape as the pyramids. But then I also said that the other stars of Cygnus are overlaid on top of it. Cygnus is the swan, right? And so there was one point in time in history, maybe 13,000 years ago, 12,800 years ago, 10,800 BC, where maybe that's when the Pyramid was built, because that's a point in time when the way the alignment of Stars was the three stars of Orion's Belt could have been overlapped by the three stars of Cygnus right now, if you looked at this, the way it would look Is the descending wings are coming down and creating wings for Orion. The symbology being, this is when Metatron gets his wings.

Alex Ferrari 1:24:50
Yeah, just, well, you just brought it back into brought it back around,

Robert Edward Grant 1:24:53
Exactly. And so this is a cycle of time for the one to experience itself through all these different. Incarnations through all of us and this role of Metatron and possibly Da Vinci and possibly Saint Germain and Melchizedek and Peter, all of these different people through time were the different incarnations that have the different keys of Metatron, the throne beyond the hierophant,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:22
Robert. I am. I can talk to you for 1000 hours. I mean, it's just like we could just keep going forever. I always write questions down. I never look at them every time we talk. I always like, I gotta be prepared as Robert's coming, you know, and we I never look at them when I'm with you, man. So it has been such a fascinating conversation, my head is spinning as so much information. I'm sure people listening right now are just like, what is happening. I need to listen to this again. Where can people find you and the amazing work you're doing?

Robert Edward Grant 1:25:53
Brother on my website, robertedwardgrant.com, on Instagram. I'm on all the different social platforms, and you know, it's been a fun journey. It's not, I mean, I never thought I'd be doing this type stuff, not in a million years. I ever think I'd be doing this type stuff.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:08
Yeah, me too,

Robert Edward Grant 1:26:09
Yeah. What the heck? And I think a lot of what this was, just in closing, a lot of what we're experiencing right now is intended to trigger us. Oh, boy, it's triggering. And every trigger is an opportunity for learning and growth. So instead of looking at the triggers that make you angry and get under your skin and all that stuff, these guys don't get triggered

Alex Ferrari 1:26:34
Because they're they're beyond the burial, the beyond the simulation, yeah, on the movie, then beyond this dream,

Robert Edward Grant 1:26:44
Exactly. So it's like you could buy walking down the street and someone can hurl an insult at them, and they don't, they would smile and send love. It's all in love Exactly. They'd be like, heart you, yeah, exactly. That's where we want to get to, because nothing. And when you get to that stage, you realize that everything happens, even the difficult stuff, that's going to be the best opportunity for truly expanding your awareness.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:09
And we're doing we're having that happen on a conscious of humanity's consciousness. At this point, the entire species is going through that, not just individuals,

Robert Edward Grant 1:27:18
The entire species. And it's beautiful. It's like, so beautiful. And so now, you know, once you finally get to this stage, also this fifth chakra, the hierophant stage, then you're no longer bound by time, then you realize that it's not just your life that had this arc, you know, like Old Testament to New Testament, right? It's, it's not just your one lifetime, but you realize that there's been a connection to all of your lifetimes, and that there's a reconciliation that happens when you ascend so all of your different lifetimes that are happening, all the first person narrative dreams that you basically had, are connecting through an arc of a hero's journey as well. It's not just this lifetime, and when you get to that stage, you start learning your own multi dimensional self, which is you can actually tap into all of those lifetimes, just as if you're in the Now.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:09
Is that quantum jumping almost Yes, it's like quantum jumping.

Robert Edward Grant 1:28:14
It's quantum jumping, and it's basically tied directly to the frequencies of recreating those frequencies of those time signatures that already have happened and maybe will yet happen, because time is actually a loop. What we consider our distant past, I believe, from a quantum physics perspective, is also likewise our distant future, deja vu. Deja vu, and it's all part of consciousness and confidence. Consciousness is just evolving and expanding and growing, and maybe the speed of light is just our speed of our perception. And so maybe we can continue to expand beyond that into the next dimension, which just becomes c squared the speed of light squared.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:54
Well, I mean, the speed of light right now is based on time and space, but some of the quantum physicists are actually talking about bending time. So if you had a flat piece of paper and you bend it, you now this side of the universe and this side of the universe are right here, and you can just go,

Robert Edward Grant 1:29:13
Everything is a dream. Then it's all then it's all in the same place.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:17
We're all, we're all in a giant version of inception. That's right, that's all we're at.

Robert Edward Grant 1:29:23
And how would you know. If we were you wouldn't know, and the only thing you would do is you would hope that your higher consciousness gave you a soft landing, so that it wasn't just this abrupt, schizophrenic nightmare that you had to basically go through in your waking up process.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:38
Right! It's the same way as when we create video games, we've created entire universes of players and in in and AI is going to be inserted to that. So they're going to become self aware inside of a video game. That's right, and we're their gods,

Robert Edward Grant 1:29:52
That's right. How do we know where it stops? Where it could be a dream within a dream within a dream stacked on top. Oh, wait, that's exactly what. What Hinduism says, That's exactly they said 6000 years ago. They said 6000 years ago,

Alex Ferrari 1:30:08
And it all comes back. Some of that ancient stuff is starting to become a little bit more relevant nowadays.

Robert Edward Grant 1:30:12
That's right, but it's, I think it's a beautiful evolution. And the good news is the only thing we're here to do is to learn how to love ourselves and how to receive love. And that's really just boils down to one thing. It's like, how to love and how to be loved. You know, the greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:37
Amen. Amen. And on that note, a pleasure is always having you on the show. You are, welcome back anytime, my friend, thank you again for everything.

Robert Edward Grant 1:30:46
Thank you.