This ANCIENT HEALING METHOD Reduces Inflammation & SAVES LIVES! with Clint Ober

In the vast web of life, where every element is interconnected, today’s episode introduces us to Clint Ober. A visionary in the realm of grounding, Clint’s journey highlights the powerful relationship between our health and the Earth’s natural energy. His pioneering work on earthing reveals how reconnecting with the Earth’s surface can lead to significant improvements in our physical and emotional well-being.

Clint Ober began his exploration of grounding with a simple observation: “In nature, I mean, who we are, where we came from, you know, we’re a part of the Earth, we come from the earth, we breathe the earth live the earth.” This profound connection forms the basis of his work, highlighting the essential role that the Earth’s natural energy plays in our overall well-being. Grounding, also known as earthing, involves direct physical contact with the Earth’s surface, allowing the transfer of electrons into the body, which Clint discovered has significant health benefits.

Clint’s journey into grounding began with his background in the communications industry, where grounding electrical systems was essential for stability. His curiosity was piqued when he saw a tour group all wearing rubber-soled shoes, which insulate the body from the Earth. This observation led him to ask a critical question: “I wonder if there’s a consequence to humans no longer being naturally grounded.” He soon began experimenting with grounding himself using a voltmeter and a simple grounding rod, leading to a revelation. “When I would lay down on the tape, then all the voltages all the charges, whether it was static electricity or whether it was EMF or anything else in the environment, they would all disappear.”

This personal discovery of improved sleep and reduced pain sparked Clint’s passion for further research. He began conducting informal studies, sharing his findings with friends who also reported significant improvements in sleep and reduction in chronic pain. “Everybody’s got sleep problems,” Clint notes, emphasizing the widespread impact of modern lifestyles that disconnect us from the Earth’s natural energies.

Clint’s journey eventually led him to collaborate with scientific researchers to validate his findings. One pivotal study involved grounding subjects and measuring various biological markers. “All the people that were on the working grounding pads, they had reduced pain, significantly reduce pain and significantly improved general well-being,” he recounts. These studies provided quantifiable evidence that grounding reduces inflammation and normalizes physiological functions, a critical insight into why grounding has such a profound impact on health.


  1. Connection to the Earth: Our bodies are designed to interact with the Earth. Grounding restores this natural connection, promoting balance and healing.
  2. Inflammation Reduction: Chronic inflammation underlies many modern health issues. Grounding mitigates inflammation, leading to improved health and well-being.
  3. Holistic Healing: Grounding is a simple, natural practice that can significantly enhance our overall health, demonstrating the profound wisdom inherent in nature.

Clint’s insights into grounding remind us of the deep, often overlooked connection between our health and our environment. His work encourages us to reconnect with the Earth, harnessing its natural energy to heal and restore our bodies.

Please enjoy my conversation with Clint Ober.

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Clint Ober 0:00
In nature, I mean, who we are, where we came from, you know, we're a part of the Earth, we come from the earth, we breathe the earth live the earth. I mean, we all have our food, everything. So we're totally a piece and a part of the earth

Alex Ferrari 0:12
I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion Clint Ober, How you doing Clint?

Clint Ober 0:27
Good Alex! Nice to be, nice to be back.

Alex Ferrari 0:29
Yeah, my friend. Thank you so much for coming back. Our first conversation has been, it's been helping a lot of people around the world. And we've been able to really show them and explain to them what grounding does. So what I wanted to do is bring you back to really kind of go deeper than we did before in regards to what the deep science is behind it, and what conditions it deals with, and so on. But for people who have never heard of earthing or grounding, can you tell? Can you explain the basic basic concepts of what it is?

Clint Ober 1:02
Okay. Well, the term earthing is commonly used, it's an electrical term, meaning that you connect something to the earth. And when you it's like, everybody, every home has a ground rod that's driven into the earth. And then they have wires that are running throughout their electrical outlets and everything that are connected to that ground rod. And so and it allows electrons to come up from, you know, to receive electrons from the earth, or to push electrons into the earth. And so it's a. So basically, it's an electrical term until I came along 25 years ago. And I spent 30 years in the communications industries where everything had to be grounded in order to maintain electrical stability and prevent ground loops, all kinds of things. But, but anyway, it really, it starts with the sun, I mean, the sun is spewing out photons and electrons, and anybody who saw the Aurora Borealis or any pictures of that, that was really beautiful this year. But anyhow, that's that's all electrons, you know, coming in through the magnetic fields on the North Pole, I think they I don't know if I'm in the South Pole, I'm sure they do. But, but anyhow, so but electrons come from the or mean comes from the sun. And, and the earth is kind of like a capacitor. And a capacitor means it can hold a charge, like a little battery, you know, like your cell phone is a capacitor, I mean, it has a battery, which is the capacity to store charge. And then you can run your phone for a long time. And eventually it runs out and you have to plug it back in. With the sun, it's constant. So every 24 hours, you know, we get exposed to sunlight. So the concept is, and you have to explain it, let's see. So what happened is, first of all, it needs to say that the Earth maintains a natural charge, and the excess of these electrons, it's, it's an energy, and it's stored on the surface of the earth. And so anybody, or anything that is connected to the earth, will absorb those free electrons on the earth, and they will come up into the body and hold the body at earth potential, meaning the Earth is about, you know, let's say, somewhere around two 300 feet, two to 300 volts. difference, you know, and so when you put your feet on the earth, then your body will absorb enough electrons so that your body equalizes with the same amount of electrons that the Earth itself has pro rata, I guess, is the way to say that. And so what happened is in throughout all time, from the beginning of time, all living creatures, all living plants, all living things, you know, evolved on on the on the surface of the earth. And during that time, they're always naturally grounded. You always had the Earth's negative charge on your body. But as time went on, and we got smarter, we started we started inventing all of these modern things that we have all the modern appliances, devices and communications, just everything, you know, it's like 100 100 and some years ago, there was no such thing as radio, television or telephone or anything you know. It is pretty bizarre how far we've come and how fast in the last 100 years or so. So. So when you stand barefoot on the earth, and you're if you, your body will just absorb these electrons, your body is an electrical conductor, it will conduct electric current, it will, it's not like a wire, but it will absorb. It's like static electricity, you can build static electricity on your, all you have to do is raise, if you have shirt on or whatever, just raise it up, and you can actually measure the charge that is created on the body. And when the body is grounded, there is no charge. Because the when you're touching the earth, your your have your bare feet on the earth, and electrically speaking, you are as big as the Earth, you and the earth are one in the same. But when you put shoes on, and you disconnect yourself from the earth, or insulate yourself from the earth, then you lose Earth's negative charge. These free electrons, this negative this, think of a negative as being no charge. And so throughout all time, we had no charge on the body. And but if when we put the shoes on, then we then we absorbed them, we equalize with the the voltage of the atmosphere. And this is going to be positive. And so what it's really all about is in the conversation we'll have today to use primarily about is in 1960, or just a while before then we invented synthetic materials, primary plastics, and the materials that we use on on the on the bottom of our shoes are now insulated, or insulated type plastics were before they were leather. We were either barefoot when I was a kid, we were always barefoot or we would wear leather soled shoes. And the leather would be damp enough and your feet would perspire enough that they would be what you would call semi conductive. So you're still always grounded. But in 19, in the late 1950s, we started, you know, taking bringing these plastics into our environment, one of the first things we ever did was put them on the soles of our shoes. And at the same time, we invented those old shag carpet carpets, you know, they're green and orange and brown. Anyhow, so everybody started carpeting their homes with plastic, put soles on shoes on their feet that were insulated. And so now we are no longer conducting, we're no longer naturally grounded, we are no longer naturally connected to the surface of the earth. And so now that created a significant change in our environment in our biological environment. So now the end, nobody knew back then. And this is only 6065 years ago, you know, but nobody knew that ground had any effect on the body. I think, you know, some of the ancient indigenous cultures and so on. They did because they would bury people that were sick and the earth, they would do all kinds of things. Kind of a grounding type stuff. But they didn't really know what it was they didn't know how it worked. But But anyhow, so in 1961 of the first things that began to rise was like diabetes, and then came along you know, autism, lupus, Ms. And all of these, what we now call inflammation related health disorders, they can they include everything from cancer, to cardiovascular to almost any common the modern common health disorders that didn't exist, it didn't manifest in very much of the population before the 1950s. So, anyhow, so So basically, you know, I spent 30 years in the communications industry like I mentioned earlier, and I learned about grounding and grounding you is just second nature to anybody in the communications industry. If there's any noise if there's any interference, you know, electro you know, electromagnetic interference and so on. You have to ground it out, you know, you have to shield it, you shielding and grounding. And so, So anyhow, it's just second nature to me, but I retired from the cable industry and in the communications in My gosh, I don't know who it was. I was 54. And I'm now I'm now 79. So there's some math in there some more, I think 25 years ago, something like that, anyhow.

And one day I was, I saw a tour bus pull up to a bus stop in a tourist town and, and it was a Japanese tour group, Jeff from Japan. And when they got off the bus and they started and they were kind of walking in single file, and they all had big, white, Nike type tennis shoes on. And I didn't think too much about it, but it kind of stood out. And for some reason it was made the striking, and it looked like they just, you know, this, the shoes were on sale somewhere. And everybody bought a similar pair, because they were all white. And anyhow, just prior to that I had been working on something that had a little bit of an electrical problem. So I fixed that. But then when I went outdoors and sat on a bench and saw these people walk up, I just intuitively asked myself, I wonder if there's a consequence to humans, no longer being naturally grounded, I did not have a clue. But I knew how to dominate electrical problems with electronics. And the body is, you know, it's 100% Electrical, I mean, the body's electrical first chemical second, every cellular function in the body, every cell in the body functions electrically. And it's also a transceiver, it can send information and receive information. And they all work together, you know, in the dance, that make us up and, and, and as we do as we live our lives. But So anyhow, I didn't, I really didn't know. So I went home that night. And it was kind of early and late in the afternoon, but early in the evening, and I took out a voltmeter. And I thought I'm just gonna check this out. So I ran a grinder I ground rod into the earth and I took a little wire, and I connected it to a voltmeter it was probably 100 foot wire. And then I started took it indoors and started walking around the house. And I started measuring the static charges that are created on my body when I was walking, just lifting my shoe up and down on the floor. This contact and separation are tribal charging. So every step you take in a modern home, you know you're creating static charges on your body. And your clothing, our clothing is all synthetics and dissimilar materials. And so there's lots of static electricity there. And then I started measuring the AC, you know the alternating current, the EMF type charges. And when I would get close to a wall or an outlet, then I could see the voltage rise on my body. But it was only a couple of volts, static electricity would go all the way up to four or 5000 volts. In fact, if you can see a spark from your finger with on the static electricity on a doorknob, that has to be about 4000 volts or charge. So it's huge, it's huge. It doesn't have a lot of amperage, so it can't really hurt other than this thing. But, but it's high voltage, very high voltage. And so I was playing with the one on the ball I was playing with me and I thought well, I will throw out a second ground rod out. And then I went back to the hardware store and I got a roll of metal duct tape, three inch wide metal duct tape that you wrapped around furnaces and stuff but it's conductive. And I taped it across my A in that 90 I taped it across across my bed and I connected it to a wire through the wire out the window and connected it to another different ground rod. So, I had the meter in one hand and the tape laying on the bed. So when I would lay down on the tape, then all the voltages all the charges, whether it was static electricity or whether it was EMF or anything else in the environment, they would all disappear there we go because I was connected to the earth and the earth is infinitely large I was infinitely small. So the earth is going to influence my the charge of my body by and and then whenever I would disconnect the the duct I mean the tape then the voltage has all come back. And so I played with it a little bit. And then little time went on to bring something and just looking at the meter And the next thing I knew it was morning. And I had fallen asleep and the meter was laying down my side. And I woke up and I said, wow, there's something going on here because I normally don't have a real problem going to sleep. And always 54 the time I was, you know, I escaped for 30 years, I raised on a ranch, and I've done every damn thing that any guy could ever do. But I had lots of aches and aches and pains and chronic pain from old skiing injuries, and tennis, and so on. And so anyhow, I didn't think anything about that. I was just thinking, and but I just fell asleep. And I thought, well, there's something going on. So I played with it went on the internet, the only only thing you could do on the Internet back then was AOL or something. Yeah. And it was really hilarious. So anyhow, I ended up having to go on Nexus Lexa, which was a data retrieval where you can go and search databases, and try to find information. And so I did a little bit about I couldn't find anything about grounding the body and sleeping better. And anyhow, a few days went by, and I was just really puzzled with it. Because, again, I slept better every night. And then I invited a couple of friends of mine who are in the neighborhood. I said, You guys gotta try this, because everybody's got sleep problems. I don't care who you are. Everybody's got sleep problems. And I said, You guys need to try this. And that went over, man, we put the tape on their beds, one of the wives got a little bit upset by putting duct tape on a sheet. But now we're just playing anyway. So they tried it for a couple of days. And one of the guys came over a couple days later. And he said, says, Do you think he says this trip really does help with your sleep? And do you think it can have anything to do with my arthritis? I said, No, I don't think so I just think it makes quite the noise in the environment, then you can sleep better. And then I recognize that my pain was significantly reduced. I mean, big time. And I thought, wow, there's something really going on. And then I got more intense on my inch on my research trying to figure out, why does grounding make pain go away? Why does grounding make you sleep? And I could find nothing. Anywhere. I went to the medical side of the medical libraries, went to one down UC University of Arizona and tree in Tucson, played around there a little bit, couldn't find anything. So then I ended up I said, Well, I've got to go find out, you got to go figure this out. Because it's too important. People need to know about this. So I went out to UCLA, I figured they know everything, you know, they'll be able to help me out. And so I went out there. And I think I ended up with some people in the sleep lab. And I told them what I was doing. And that I that we needed to do a study or something. And they looked at me and they said, You expect us to believe somebody's gonna, somebody's gonna drive a nail in the ground. That's the way they use the nail in the ground, and tie wire around it and then tie a wire around their toe. And they're going to sleep better. They said get out of here, you're nuts. Go. Well, anyhow, we joked around, we choked around a little bit. And I learned that I knew nothing about biology, but I knew they knew nothing about electrical. And, and so we carry on a little bit and they indicate that was to do a study may cost $5 million may take five years, and there's no assurance it would be published. And I suppose that's not a good idea. So I ended up finding a couple of or a couple of the students that were there, doing their dissertations or whatever, by got them involved and helped him and had them helped me design a study. So I just go do it myself. And because they needed more information other than in my anecdotal stuff. So we went out and we made up 60 ground planes, pads 12 inches wide, 24 inches long, and they had a conductive material on the top. And then we and in this study, 60 30 of them are grounded, actually working 30 of them are placebo. So got a nurse involved and a couple other people and they so we went out and we ended up installing all of those pads. And we've got 60 subjects to participate in the study all that had painters and sleep problems and so on. So as an end result, all the people that were on the working grounding pads, they had reduced pain, significantly reduce pain and significantly improved. general well being I mean they slept better, but their energy was better or color was better. They're just a host of things. I could go on for hours on all this stuff. But, but But anyhow, so I got enough information that quantifiable information, even though it was still anecdotal, but it was organized and methodically pursued so, so that we knew that grounding the body, or reduced pain and improved sleep, we did not know the mechanism, I figured it was just common sense cowboy logic, while you're getting rid of the charge, you're getting rid of the charge getting rid of the static, and you sleep, because everybody sleeps on a foam, foam bed. That's an ecstatic generator. And then all of the covers are somewhat dissimilar. And so when you decide maybe not, you know, all in the Midwest or in the Midwest, so if you sometimes in the morning, you go out and pull the sheet up, and you can see a lightning storm in between your sheets.

Alex Ferrari 20:59
Sometimes, there's no question, well, clearly ask you this. So since I mean, that's, that's a great primer for what we're talking about. And if you want to hear the rest of that story, you can go to the original conversation, which I'll put in the show notes. But so let's get let's, let's dive in deeper into the research and the health benefits. It's Is there any scientific research since those days, that proves without a shadow of a doubt, a lot of the claims the health claims that you have put out there?

Clint Ober 21:32
I think there's only one or two health claims that we that we would, I mean, there's, there's, yeah, I'll fill this all in as we go. We haven't we have produced if you go to the earthing Institute dotnet. And go to the research section, there's probably 100 papers there. And but 30 or 30 of those are peer reviewed, published studies. The rest of them are various articles that are published, review articles and things like that went and but what we were trying to do when we started out is we wanted to know, everybody wanted to well, this, okay, we know it works, but why? What's the mechanism of action? So our mission was to understand why grounding, reduced inflammation, why standing barefoot on the earth reduced inflammation? And so the dancer, your question, the studies was one figure out what the mechanism of action is. And then, you know, we need to understand how the body works in relation to, well, I kind of have to back up and tell the story a little differently. In the beginning, we didn't know anything, we just know that pain went away, and anybody could ground anybody. And their pain would go away. So I'm going five minutes, I mean, you could take arthritis in a hand and put a electrode patch on and could ground the person to the earth, or to the electrical ground. And within five minutes, the hot burning payments stop go away. It's like pouring cold water on fire. And so, So anyhow, all of our studies are what you call proof of concept studies. What we did is we grounded the body. And then we would measure you know, the, the, the bile all of the biological rhythms, you know, and respiration, by all the biofeedback. Yeah, and then we would measure, you know, blood, blood viscosity, and all of those things. And that's where we begin to understand what we're doing. So, but along the way, where I've been doing studies for four or five years, and I think it was 204. Went to the newsstand. And here's a Time magazine article. And it showed a picture of the body on fire. And it had the word inflammation across it. Before then, hardly anybody had ever heard of the word inflammation. And this was a group at back at Boston mass. And they had been working on this for a few years. But the same match. I'm working on grounding, because I started in the late 90s. And so anyhow, across the bottom, they said that you don't have all these modern health disorders that do all of these named health disorders. This is you don't have cancer. You don't have this you don't have notice that what you have is chronic inflammation, and the damage it does. It manifests differently in different people based on their life. style and their living environment. So like some people will smoke or whatever they'll develop heart disease, other people will develop cancer other people, but they're really all the same disease. There's only, I mean, there's a there's only, and that was what prompted us to get real focused was because we knew, and they were talking about pain, and you know how pain manifests and all these things, and you can't have pain unless you have inflammation first. So this word inflammation became the the key understanding what was the cause of inflammation, and you could have read every book on the planet, and you would not have been able to find the answer back into a forum, or in that timeframe. It was called oxidative stress prior to that, but again, they didn't really understand it. It's only one day I was doing some, reading a few papers on the immune system. And I came across a study where they were talking about the neutrophil, how the neutrophil, like, if you have a pathogen in your body, or a damaged cell that needs to be removed, or from die off, or whatever, then you have these little white blood cells that are called neutrophils. And for some reason, I mean, we kind of know how they do it. But anyhow, they they know when there's an invader or an intruder, or they know when something needs to be removed. So they swim over there, kind of like a jelly cell. And they wrap themselves around the pathogen. And then they release reactive oxygen species. As soon as I heard the word reactive, then I knew it was electrical. Because that's an electrical term. And so then it all started to unfold a little bit after that. And then so what would cause inflammation? You know, how does the reactive oxygen species? How would How could he because in the normal processes, the immune system does this every day, all day long, and every living plant or an animal on the planet. So this is a common everyday immune, immune response thing. And it's not something that builds up in your body, this is something that the damage will build up. But this process of the immune system, reducing radicals goes on 24/7. So anyhow, then, then I started doing a little bit more work on grounding. And instead of looking at it so much like I would electrically, you know, within communications, I started thinking, so basically, on the surface of the Earth, we have an excess of electrons is like a reservoir of free electrons, like a reservoir of water. And those electrons are, they migrate to charge, if there's a charge anywhere on the environment, they're free electrons, so they can move rapidly, and reduce charge, that's really the only thing they do. So I, so then just thinking that if I, somebody has arthritis, I put a patch on their hand electrode patch, connected to the ground, then the inflammation is a charge, I mean, it's a positive charge, it's actually a fire, it's like, it's, I mean, it's, that's where the term comes from in flame inflammation. So So anyhow, you have this charge. And so when you ground the body, then the body will absorb electrons from the earth did the degree that the body equalizes with the earth. And as we know, in electronics, you can't have charged and grounded object. That's why your ground everything. So anyhow, that was the big aha. And then we did some studies to to very verify that and those are published, those are all on the institute. And the most important study we did. There's a lot of them there. I mean, they all have tremendous effect on the body, but it's really about the immune system. And so but the number one thing that we learned was as soon as you ground the body, then those electrons come into the body. And then the low red blood cells, you you increase the negative surface charge on the little red blood cells. By about 300%, almost three, just not quite, but almost 300%. So that means you have three times more electrons on your blood cells than you do when you're not grounded. Because you're breathing oxygen, you're depleting these electrons, you're using them up, you're creating ATP, you just run out of energy get tired. Okay, so, but you have to constantly renew bet. So anyhow, I don't want to get lost here. I get excited and get lost.

Alex Ferrari 29:57
Real quick, real quick. Let me let me ask you a real quick question. Because as we're talking, is that one of the reasons why surfers can continue to surf for it to your age and older. I mean, I've seen these, I don't ever hear of a surfer going off the arthritis. It's just not something you hear. I've never heard a surfer in a Movie or Documentary or, or in sports or anything, hear these kinds of things. And it's because when you're at the ocean, there's so much electrons, and the sand and all that, is that what it is?

Clint Ober 30:31
I'm sure that's part of it. Because, you know, in nature, I mean, who we are, where we came from, you know, we're a part of the Earth, we come from the earth, we breathe the earth, live the earth, I mean, we all have our food, everything. So we're totally a piece and a part of the earth, you know, of walking around, but is, but we were always connected to the earth. Prior to modern times, electrically. And nutritionally, everything was, you know, our oxygen, everything was you know, it's all a system were part of a system. And, and in 1960, we would cut the cord, we disconnected, we put shoes on that insulated from the earth, then our body lost its ground. So now these neutrophils, when they release these reactive oxygen species, if there's any leftover after the oxidative burst, after you know, they've wiped out the pathogen, if there's any remaining radicals, you're grounded to the earth not never, never a problem because they're instantly reduced, and protects the rest of the body from oxidation. But if you are electron deficient, don't have enough electrons. And then a pathogen goes in oxidizes a path, I mean, a path A neutrophil oxidizes, I'm getting tongue tied there. But anyhow, so if there's any remaining radicals, they're going to be reduced themselves reduce themselves in probably three or four nanoseconds. So they're going to steal an electron from whatever's in the immediate vicinity, which would be another live cell. And so the damage to that cell, another signal goes out to the immune system. neutrophil, another neutrophil comes in, so you're setting up a chain reaction, a chronic, it's a fire. So it's, it's like burning along, it's oxidation. And so when we patch, the how we figure it out, is how we patch somebody, then what we're doing is we're pouring electrons into the body, and they're reducing those excess radicals, reducing them and preventing them from doing damage. To give you an example, when I first started doing this, over 20 years ago, the only people I could get from docks, you know, that had chronic issues. Were people who had Ms. They said here, you take them, we can't do anything. Anyhow, so I would take somebody who has MS. And I would put an electrode patch on their hand, generally where the bigger trouble was. And, and I would just have them sit there. And then over a period of about 15 to 30 minutes, their color would change, they their their color would come up, they would look more rosy, the demeanor would change, because they were in terrible stress, durable pain. And so that was start calming down. And they were sitting there, Rotary saturation came up all these all these changes. And, but most of all, the pain stopped the oxidative pain because it's neutrophils oxidizing, the myelin sheath, and exposing the nerve. That's what Emmaus is. And so as soon as you put an electrode patch on somebody, the electrons from the earth are being absorbed into the body, and they stopped the inflammatory process by reducing the remaining radicals, the immune system goes back to normal, and everything stops. So I get I got to the point, and I've been doing this for, you know, 20 over 2025 years now, is I can honestly tell them that, you know, as long as you're grounded, you no longer have Ms. All you have is damaged from our mess. But the progression has stopped. And, and and so anyhow, but so that's verification and a there's studies that touched on all the stuff on the institute but but that's verification that it's just black and white, you know, if you ground somebody the fire goes out the the inflammation stops, to give you an idea, another reference in the animal world. Cancer rarely, if ever exists in nature. The animals who live in nature, they don't develop cancer, we may go screw up their environment and create changes and and it will manifest but I think the the Wildlife Center I think at Madison, Wisconsin, they put out a paper a few years back They were they had examined over 100,000 animals, it through that facility. And I think they only had like 13 cases of cancer. So, but you know, that supports the concept, inflammation. I mean, cancer does not manifest them though. And then, in a world, natural world, now, cancer is an inflammation related health disorder, you have to have a pocket of inflammation for an extended period of time, it can be up to 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, but you have a pocket of inflammation somewhere. And inside that pocket of inflammation, you have a bunch of cells that D differentiate, and then they start manifesting their own. They become like a parasite, you know, and, and they develop their own bloodstream, and they feed off of you. So But anyhow, so but on the other hand, animals who live indoors with their owners, 50% of them die from cancer, just like their owners.

Alex Ferrari 35:54
Interesting. So cats, dogs, so on?

Clint Ober 35:56
Yes. So that's the cowboy logic. You don't, don't need to do all these 25 years of study, and all this craziness. But in the world we live in today, you have to have studies, they told me said you, you're gonna have to do a dozen studies before anybody would believe it. I says Fine, then we ended up now with probably 3540 or more, and it's still going on. There are many other people now beginning to do studies.

Alex Ferrari 36:23
How is this being received in the scientific community, which is well known for being open minded, and to new ideas.

Clint Ober 36:34
There, there's a Jim Marshman told me one time when I first met him, he worked with us for many years, and still does, in helping with studies and, and so on. But he told me, he says Science Advances one death at a time. Meaning,

Alex Ferrari 36:51
Yeah, all scientists die off.

Clint Ober 36:54
Because new science is not going to come Come on, on board on stream until these old guys get out of the way. Because it's, it's their reputation is egos and all those kinds of things. And its power and control. And this I'm not saying any of it's bad, I don't even know. It's just, but you know, that's the concept. So yeah, and then you take the youngest, and we've worked with, with all kinds of people all over. But in the medical world, it's like the young, the young people who just graduate, they say, well, they never taught us anything like this in school. So you know, we don't know what it is, we don't understand it. And so the the challenge is, you have to somehow educated it's about education, is everything I do is everything I do is about education. I don't. And that's all I do all day, every day is talk and and try to get people to take the shoes off, put their feet on the ground and get well. And then I have a little story that and again, I'm not picking on Docs at all, because if I weren't for Docs, I wouldn't even be here. But I had a group of down in Southern California, cardiologist. And they started buying some of our products very early on. This is back in around 2013 century. And one day, they ordered some more, and especially this recovery bag, like we were using on the tour difference. So it was a conductive bag, because they think they kind of thing. So anyhow, they would buy those things a dozen or more at a time. And so I was heading down to San Diego anyway. And they had ordered some and I said, Well, let me stop by I'll just drop them off. And I just really wanted to meet the guy. And so I went in there and gave them to him and whatever. And I just asked him, I said, Well, what do you guys do with these things? And he says, Oh, we use them, you know, to keep the staff off their hypertension meds. And I said, Well, what about your patients? And he says, oh, no, no, we could never, we could never do that. But but there's a reason. I mean, one is, has to be approved by ama before any doctor can do anything. Sure. But but more so it was like the conversation went kind of like you said, you know, look around here, you know, there's half a dozen staff and have fear for doctors. We have this big building. We're all married to why will you know women who have died, who doctors whose husbands you know, so we have to live the lifestyle all this kind of stuff. But not only that, we went to school for 1214 years, whatever. And say we have protocol we have to follow we have to do what we do. But they said the main thing is, you know we can't tell people go go home, take the shoes off and get well for free. We have to pay for business. Maybe we have to pay the overhead. It's not bad for business. They just, it's the type of business we have created as the culture we have created. It's like winning back in the 70s. When I was a kid, they said, don't worry about when you're old, we'll have a pill for every ill. They have a pill for every ill today.

Alex Ferrari 40:18
A lot of those pills, a lot of those pills actually get you ill.

Clint Ober 40:21
Yeah, but they don't We don't have health, you know, that's the main problem. And so anyhow, you know, this is been, you know, fun for me to play with all these people and whatever. But it really comes down to it. I could talk until I was blue in the face, but nobody's gonna believe this until they actually experience it.

Alex Ferrari 40:43
And it's pretty, it's pretty cheap to try to do it go outside stand on the ground. I mean, you don't need products. I mean, they're all over. You don't need products to get it done. But obviously, there are some products and things you could do inside. We'll talk about that later. But just go outside and put your feet on the ground for 30 minutes. It changes your life.

Clint Ober 41:05
Yeah, just stay there until and until your skin turns pink. Your color turns pink. You're okay, say you see you actually breathing a little less, because you're breathing a little deeper, you're just your energy comes up their demeanor demeanor changes.

Alex Ferrari 41:19
Well, I mean, if you just go back to when you were a kid, or even when anytime you go to the beach, and I'll go back to the beach, because the beach is grounding at its ultimate, because it's the sand and you're there. And then you also have the energy of the ocean, and the electrons coming in off the ocean. You there is a different feeling there then you have at a pool. Like you have an energetically different feeling. I even remember that when I was a kid, it was almost euphoric in many ways when you're at the beach for a long period of time. Yep, it is. It is a beautiful thing. Now I want to ask you a few questions in regards to specific ailments, the see what it does and how grounding helps it we, based on our conversation, understand that inflammation is the cause of every major illness. But just curious, what does it do to your blood? Does it thin your blood? How does it How does it help with blood?

Clint Ober 42:10
Okay, most everybody has thick if you're wearing shoes living indoors, most everybody has what they call, they can sticky blood. Or if you look at it under a microscope, you'd see how it's all stacked up in kind of a Reuleaux formation. And so, the number one thing, the number one benefit of earthing is when you touch the earth and you absorb these electrons, and then they are added every red blood cell, you increase the electron charge by it's actually two to 2.7. It's not your turn 70%. And so what happens is when the blood becomes more negative, by adding these Earth's electrons to it, then they kind of act like little negatively charged magnets. You push them together and they push each other apart. So as soon as you ground the body for maybe 510 minutes, then all of your blood fins and normalizes like it would be in nature. Because if you were standing barefoot on the earth, and the animals all the nice thin blood people have, you know, today most people have to take blood thinners and all of these challenges and problems but so, but anyhow, so it normalized you know, I'd like to say it normalizes blood, but today we don't know what normal is. But anyhow, it the first thing that happens is and there's a study on the earthing Institute, the blood viscosity study, and there's a little movie that actually shows the blood before and after being grounded and is dramatic. And so it's it just returns the blood to normal turns the returns the blood to what would what it would be like if you were living outdoors barefoot on the earth. I mean, it restores the normal state of blood, the normal electrical, state of blood, blood is an electrical, you know, your

Alex Ferrari 44:15
Everything, everything in our bodies. Yes. Now let me ask, let me ask you this. What does it do for viruses or, you know, common colds and things like that?

Clint Ober 44:26
Okay. The, the problem that everybody has, and there's a there's a handful of studies also mentioning COVID. Some of them not done by us on the earthing Institute site. But what happens when you ground people with COVID. COVID is a like a cytokine storm in the lungs. That's what causes the problems. The same similar with asthma similar with COPD similar with all of these respiratory illnesses. So, what happens when you ground The body, the first thing that happens is you reduce inflammation in the body. So while your body is inflamed, what's happening is you have a fire in your body, a slow burning fire. And so the immune system spends all of its energy, all of its ever effort trying to put out the fire that it itself is creating, because it's no longer grounded. But the immune system doesn't know it's no wonder grounded, doesn't know that it's creating the fire. So. So as soon as you get grounded, the number one thing that happens is puts the fire out, reduces the inflammation. That's the hot burning pain, the Vikon, in pain, all that kind of stuff, the anxiety, irritability, all of those chronic things. So those all reduce quite rapidly, then the immune system can quite quickly, in a few days, clean up a lot of the damage that it was creating, then fully restored, it can go back to work. Now it can take on viruses, it can take on anything and keep you healthy, your immune system is compromised you that's why you get colds, that's why you get all of these, you don't recover from them, let's say you're gonna get colds no matter what you're gonna get exposed to these things, no matter what. But it's the ability of your immune system to respond and handle him. That's, that's the question here. So that is so grounding reduces, takes the stress off the immune system, because it can go back and do what it's supposed to do.

Alex Ferrari 46:35
How about muscles? How about muscle soreness,

Clint Ober 46:38
Muscle soreness, we did a couple of studies up at the University of Oregon with Nick Brown. He trained Olympian runners. And, and that's where we actually did our first study with Nike. But anyhow, that's a different story. But anyhow, the so what happens with delayed onset muscle soreness, or muscles, let's say you go out and you work out, you play tennis, or you go to yoga, you're, you're doing stretching, you're doing whatever, or weightlifting or no matter what it is, you're exercising, so as you're exercising, you're, you're creating a lot of inflammation in the body a lot of damage. Now, if you're grounded, and that was what they are for, that's what they we took a group of 20 year old, healthy male students at the University of Oregon. And half of them we grounded. The other half, we did not ground. And then they were slept, they're kept in our hotel room, except for going to class and going to lunch and whatever. But they stayed in hotel room for seven days. Every one of them individually, we only did it, I think one or two at a time. And so this environment was identical. The food was that the aid was identical, everything was identical among the subjects. And the subjects who so so then in order to induce inflammation into their bodies, I think they had them do. I don't remember, you know, three or four sets of crunches or, you know, lifting a third of their weight on their shoulder and, you know, 20 times one or two or three different sets 20 times each. So, technically, they shouldn't have been able to walk in three days. And they barely could walk after three days. But anyhow, the so the grounded subjects versus the ungrounded the ungrounded we're had a lot of pain, a lot of soreness, and we you know, we we did MRIs daily, we did blood draws, did everything. We measured everything you could measure on these kids, that studies at the earthing Institute also. So anyhow, the main thing is we had significantly reduced delayed onset muscle soreness in the people and the kids who were grounded. For instance, bilirubin is one of your major antioxidant stores. And in the grounded subjects, it maintained pretty much normal, the ungrounded subjects that just fell through the floor, and the white blood cell counts change and so on. But anyhow, so be grounded students, they had significantly less inflammation, less pain. They could move they could work, but the ones who were there the normal and normal ungrounded delayed onset. They could barely move in three days and their, their blood markers and all the charts and everything for that whole study are on the earthing Institute dotnet. So the main thing is just like the Tarahumara Indians and some of these barefoot runners around the world, they can they can run 4050 miles, not even stop, and they don't have the inflammation or anything because they're they're constantly grounded, and the body's like appeals though, you know, and sunlight and you know,

Alex Ferrari 50:04
Exactly I think you mentioned earlier that the two or the four of the Tour de France had their their their athletes with ground themselves while they sleep at night to help with this with the help with everything we just talked about.

Clint Ober 50:16
Yes, yeah, that was the whole that was the whole reason for it. That was one of the first things we ever did. We grounded them for like seven or eight years in a row came discovery and US postal theme. And the number one thing that they all, again, there's videos, on the earthing s3 and all that stuff. But the number one thing that the coaches everybody found remarkable, but was one that everybody finished the race, every rider on the team finished the race every year that they were grounded. And that's, that's almost, but but but anyhow, they, they had lots of injuries, you know, they have crashes and have, I forget what they call them skin skidmark. But just rip skin off and all kinds of things. But you know, they take the electrode patches and put them around wherever they had the injuries. And one of them you know, had a bicycle, where you could see what the sprocket actually cut into the leg and everything and just Oh, looking. But anyhow, they patched him up with patches round grounded him to the end, they slipped ground and also in this recovery bikes, and and then the next day, the next day, they got up in the state in the race, because you can't take a day off, you know, but they all survive. But anyhow. So there, what we found there it was the healing time was reduced by about 70%. I mean, that's significant. Yeah, because again, that's it's the body inflammation, because when you're not grounded, then the body is going to be trying to reduce those damaged tissues and everything and then just creating that hot burning pain that you feel sometimes, well, that doesn't occur when you're grounded. Because your body is flooded with free electrons, you're gonna have pain, but it's more of a pain than soft pain guy. You don't leave me alone, let me let me heal. But that hot burning pain that you have to take the heavy like it is and those kinds of things for that does not exist when a grounded person.

Alex Ferrari 52:16
Now is there any side effects? The grounding, earthing?

Clint Ober 52:20
The number one side effect, of grounding is it's there are no side effects. Because basically, you know, it's like, it's like in the animal world. Cancer doesn't exist in the you can't have cancer, if you're grounded. I mean, you can't have these things. If you live a grounded lifestyle. Now, if you're going to grind for an hour a day or eight hours a day, I'm not going to say that's going to prevent some of this stuff. But if you're a it's like, I know there's there's one i Something I saw a while back, there's, you know, mold what they call a hairless mole. You know, and, but there's, they don't ever manifest any information whatsoever. That's one of their sub one of one of the studies they were doing to research information. But it doesn't, it doesn't matter if it lives, they're looking, they're looking for molecules and whatever inside the body. And it's really not that at all, it's really the free electrons of the earth preventing charge, because they're in the ground, you know, so it's, it's all kind of hobbyists, it's all kind of cowboy logic, you know, subtraction, and

Alex Ferrari 53:27
Well, let me ask you this, Clint. So we, this all sounds great. We all obviously can't live outside. We can't sleep in our backyards. We have homes, we have lives. What can we do with either products or something to help us ground indoors?

Clint Ober 53:47
Okay, well, the first thing that I try to tell everybody, any amount of grounding is good, more grounding is better. So always do whatever you can, because you're gonna get benefit. Because if you can just shut the fire down for even half hour. That's, that's good. And I felt I could go on and on. But it's like the women you know, and the women have twice as many pain receptors as men do. So they're more sensitive. And everyone we all know that we do

Alex Ferrari 54:24
I live with, sir. I know. I know.

Clint Ober 54:28
So so. First of all, I have to say one thing about this, I never got in this business because I ever wanted to sell a product. I was retired. I didn't need money. I didn't need anything I was just interested in this was overwhelmingly interesting. And but along the way, when we were doing our studies, we had to make ground planes, ways to ground people so that we could do our research. And the first thing we used was an electrode patch, just an EKG patch. And you know, 20 foot coil cord and just It could enter into a ground rod or stick it in the electrical ground of the earth, you know, the electrical ground. And, and, and so that was number one. And it is still the most effective product we have for acute localized trauma. And but beyond that, we knew that people use hard to ground people because they all move around. So can't ground shoes, because the offices, floors aren't grown, and so on. So we thought, so in our studies, we designed maths that people could lay on, put their feet on, sit on, our sleep on. And then we made bigger versions of those mats. So it's really the mats. And we made dozens of different kinds of them that we started out with carbon and polyester, then we went to cotton and silver and in many, many different shear gyrations. And today, the primary product that we sell is a black carbon mat. And but anyhow, so we had to develop these ground planes or mechanisms to ground people. So we asked ourselves wondering, what's the number one thing we can give these people, because everybody who participated in the studies wanted them for themselves, then they came back and wanted them for their parents, their, especially their moms. And so we ended up kind of, you know, with an accidental business, that evolved, they got bigger and bigger and bigger. And so, but these products were so that we, we just we decided they used to do the bedsheet primarily, because it's people don't comply with treatment protocols. So we figured, well, all we have to do here, just put it on the bed, and all they have to do is come home lay down, go to sleep like they normally do, you don't have to do anything. And let mother nature do the work during sleep, because during sleep is when the body primarily time the body heals and restores itself. So So we ended up making those products. And but we had to abandon a lot of them. A lot of the old ones that we abandoned, they're still for sale with Amazon sells a hell of them with, you know, the China, distributors, and so on. But they don't last very long. So what we decided we had to have a product that was bulletproof in the sense that if somebody buys it, they had, there's a reason they're buying it, they want to get well. So we need to make sure that it does what we produced in our studies. And the only way we could do that after 20 years was with carbon. And so that's the only product we sell, we mass produce them, we sell them around the world now. And and we keep the cost as low as we possibly can. And because it's a more of a humanitarian effort than it is to go and get rich. And it's not something that you can market like you would a normal product. If it has to be experienced by enlarge before anybody will believe it. Then once they believe it, usually a 35 to 55 year old mom, she's buys it for some reason. And she uses it for three days, the first thing she does gives it to her mom gets another one for herself. And then as she has disposable income, she keeps doing that, until she's grounded almost everybody in the family. And so that's how the business has grown. And it's really a it's a in the moms like it because they don't need to know all the science, they just need to know what works.

Alex Ferrari 58:22
Well. I'll tell you what I've been I've been using them now for years before we met, I was using the older products. And then after we did our first conversation, I was able to get a hold of the mats and I've been sleeping on them, I have them on my my all my all day my feet are grounded underneath my desk, and I have a pillowcase I have all that they work wonderfully. And so one of the reasons why I wanted to bring you back because I wanted to share this information again because there's so many people in pain with inflammation and things like that. So I will definitely put a link in the in the show notes in the description of the video for these amazing products as well. But again, go outside, it's free. You know, lie down on the weekend in a park and just feel, feel how you're gonna feel differently.

Clint Ober 59:09
Stay there until the pain stops.

Alex Ferrari 59:12
Clint I want to thank you, my friend so much for coming back on the show and for all the tireless work you've done. Over the years, my friend you are a you are doing God's work as they say sir, you are. You are a warrior. You are a warrior, my friend. So I appreciate you. Thank you so much.

Clint Ober 59:30
I'm just trying to help out. Thank you.

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