What happens when someone who has stood beside the biggest stars on Earth suddenly discovers that none of the glitter, fame, or fortune can answer life’s most important question? We spend so much of our lives chasing success, believing that somewhere beyond the next achievement lies the happiness we have been searching for. Yet sometimes the universe seems to interrupt our carefully constructed stories and invite us to look in an entirely different direction. On today’s episode, we welcome Susie Pearl, an author and former celebrity publicist who worked with legendary entertainers including Michael Jackson, Madonna, and the Spice Girls before an extraordinary health crisis transformed her understanding of life and death. Her journey takes us from the dazzling world of international superstardom to a hospital bed, where she says she left her body and experienced a realm of unconditional love. But perhaps the greatest revelation of our conversation is not what she believes she discovered about heaven. It is what she learned about being alive.
Before her near-death experience, Susie’s world was filled with extraordinary people and extraordinary opportunities. She had built a successful celebrity public relations agency, traveled with some of the most recognizable performers on the planet, and experienced a lifestyle most people could only imagine. Yet behind the glamorous photographs and exclusive parties was a reality few outsiders understood. Fame required constant planning, security, and an exhausting level of attention. Even ordinary activities, such as having dinner, could become complicated productions. Susie recalls how her phone rang constantly while she ran her agency, with people seeking introductions, invitations, and access to the stars. Then, after she sold the business, something remarkable happened: the calls stopped. Many people she considered friends simply disappeared. For a woman surrounded by celebrities and endless social connections, the experience revealed a painful truth. Being known by everyone is not the same as being loved by someone.
After leaving the relentless pace of celebrity publicity, Susie moved to Ibiza with her son, hoping to enjoy a quieter life. But she began experiencing disturbing memory problems. One day, she could not remember the route to a familiar meeting place. A concerned neighbor insisted she seek medical attention, and doctors discovered a brain tumor. Susie recalls being told she might have only three weeks to live. Imagine receiving those words after a lifetime spent organizing events, managing famous personalities, and making impossible things happen. Suddenly, none of those skills could guarantee another tomorrow. Yet Susie says she did not respond with the fear she might have expected. Having practiced meditation for many years, she turned inward. While sitting on her hospital bed, she describes receiving an intuitive message that she would die that day, followed by an experience of golden beings she understood as angels. According to Susie, they communicated that her ordeal had a purpose: she was meant to return and share what she learned.
Then came the experience that changed everything. Susie describes feeling her consciousness spiral upward and out through the crown of her head. She found herself looking down at her physical body before expanding into what seemed like an immense cosmic landscape filled with stars. She compares the sensation to the overview effect described by astronauts who see Earth from space and suddenly understand their place in a much larger whole. But the most profound part of her account was not the scenery. It was the feeling. Susie says she experienced overwhelming peace, joy, and unconditional love, a state so beautiful that ordinary language could barely contain it. She understood this realm as heaven. Then she became aware of a choice: she could remain there or return to her body. Her decision was immediate. She had a son who needed her and work she still wanted to accomplish. She chose to come back.
Susie recounts returning to her hospital room, where monitors were sounding and medical staff were moving around her. Later, she says, a doctor informed her that a subsequent scan showed her tumor was gone. She describes the physician as astonished by the result. This is an extraordinary personal account, but the conversation does not provide medical records or independent confirmation of the diagnosis, treatment history, or scan findings. Her experience cannot establish that meditation or spiritual intervention caused a tumor to disappear, and people facing serious illness should continue to seek appropriate medical care. What we can explore, however, is the transformation Susie describes in her outlook. She says she returned with a new understanding of what mattered. The endless pursuit of recognition had lost its importance. Every ordinary day became precious. A conversation, a meal, a moment with someone she loved—these were no longer things to rush through on the way to something supposedly greater.
One of the most beautiful parts of our discussion involves the community that gathered around Susie during her illness. Friends brought food, played music, organized visits, and made her hospital room feel less like a place of fear and more like a place of connection. Before she returned to the hospital, dozens of people gathered at her home to celebrate her life. One by one, they told her how she had influenced them. Susie describes it as attending her own wake while still alive. People expressed gratitude and affection they might otherwise have left unspoken. She heard stories about kindnesses she had forgotten and moments that had changed other people’s lives. I found myself thinking about how strange we humans can be. We often wait until someone is gone before telling them how deeply they mattered. What if we brought that same honesty into our relationships today? What if we stopped assuming there would always be another opportunity to say the important things?
Our conversation also takes a fascinating turn into creativity and consciousness. Susie shares stories from her years with Michael Jackson, Madonna, and other music legends, but she speaks with particular affection about her friendship with Paul McCartney and her connection to filmmaker David Lynch. She recalls Paul describing how meditation influenced his creative process and how musical ideas sometimes seemed to arrive almost fully formed. Susie connects those experiences to what she calls the collective field, a realm of possibility and information that she believes can be accessed through consciousness. Whether we understand this spiritually, psychologically, or simply as the mystery of human creativity, the question is intriguing. Where do our most inspired ideas come from? Why do certain songs speak to generations of people who have never met? Perhaps music reminds us of something our everyday lives make easy to forget: beneath our different stories, cultures, and circumstances, we share the capacity to feel love, sorrow, wonder, and joy.
Toward the end of our conversation, I ask Susie what she would tell someone who is afraid of dying. Her answer is simple: “There’s nothing to fear.” She speaks from the conviction of her own experience, describing death as a beautiful transition rather than an ending. Of course, no individual near-death experience can settle the scientific or philosophical questions surrounding consciousness after death. Yet her perspective offers a meaningful invitation to reconsider how we spend the time we have. Susie believes that love is the most important force we can bring into the world, and she encourages people to express it through ordinary acts of kindness. She tells a story about greeting a stranger in a supermarket and discovering that a simple conversation had brightened his day. After a lifetime among people whose names were recognized around the world, she had come to appreciate the extraordinary power of making one person feel seen.
SPIRITUAL TAKEAWAYS
- True wealth is found in genuine connection. Fame and success may attract attention, but love, friendship, and community give our lives lasting meaning.
- Every ordinary day is an opportunity to live fully. Remembering that our time is limited can help us appreciate the people and experiences we might otherwise take for granted.
- Love becomes powerful when we express it. A kind word, an honest conversation, or a simple act of compassion can transform someone’s day in ways we may never fully understand.
As I reflect on Susie’s journey, I am struck by the beautiful irony of it all. Here is a woman who spent years surrounded by some of the brightest stars in the world, only to discover that the light she values most cannot be measured by fame, money, or public recognition. It lives in the quiet moments when we reach toward one another with an open heart. We may never know with certainty what awaits us beyond the final breath, but we do know that this moment is here, that the people we love are here, and that we have an opportunity to make our lives mean something through the way we treat others. Perhaps the greatest spiritual awakening is not learning how to escape this world, but discovering how deeply we can love it while we are here.
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Alex Ferrari 0:00
The universe sometimes chooses imperfect messengers to bring out this these perfect pieces.
Susie Pearl 0:07
We learn what we need to learn through difficult things, realizing that my friends were really not friends. Being famous and very wealthy, and being able to have whatever you want in this lifetime, it's not what it's cracked up to be. I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Ended up in hospital, and the doctor said, "This isn't good. It's right in the middle of your brain. Three weeks to live." I couldn't tell them. I'd just come back from Madonna's house for the weekend. I had just come back from LA, and we were at this house party with all the big old movie stars. I couldn't tell them that.
Alex Ferrari 0:46
Before the NDE, what did you think a good life was?
Susie Pearl 0:50
My answer to your question is...
Alex Ferrari 1:02
I like to welcome to the show, Susie Pearl. How you doing Susie?
Susie Pearl 1:05
Hi, great, Alex. Thank you.
Alex Ferrari 1:08
Thank you so much for being here. I am I'm super excited to talk to you because you have a near death experience, but your near death experience is a bit not only interesting, but your background even makes it more interesting. So, you've managed some of the biggest names in music over the last few years, obviously, because you identify as 24.
Susie Pearl 1:30
Yeah, you asked me how old am I, and I said I identify as 35. That's all I was willing to say on the subject.
Alex Ferrari 1:38
And and I too identify as 35. I'd like to identify as 28, but with the brain of a 52-year-old. That's what I would like. That's what I really would love.
Susie Pearl 1:47
Yeah.
Alex Ferrari 1:48
So, but you've worked with some of, you know, some of the, you know, some amazing, some legendary people in the music industry over the years. Before this near-death experience, what did you believe about death, and what was your spiritual background?
Susie Pearl 2:03
Well, I grew up with a mom who took me to church. I was in the choir. Didn't really get it. Didn't know why I was there. I was there because my mom wanted me to be there. However, I did believe in fairies. I did believe in other realms, and I did have this very big scope of life. My dad, I was the little one in the family, and my dad would call me chief, and I felt kind of important. Even I thought, yeah, I could do what I want, and he does said to me, "You, my darling, can do whatever you want," and I took that and I believed it, like heavily believed it for the whole of my life, actually, because now I believe it more than ever before, and so I've always kind of had a big scope, big perspective on things, and always aiming high. That was kind of my go-to position. So spiritually, I I believed in a bigger force. Didn't really know what it was. Comfortable with the concept of God, but and prayer didn't really get it. Meditation has been my thing since I was identifying as 20, and that's really helped me kind of understand connecting to this big force. And if you talk to me about the big force that runs everything, I really get that, and I kind of talk in those terms so as not to ring fence anyone out who might have different words for this big force. So spiritually, I was leaning to understand that there is a there is a bigger realm than we than we know, and I believed in kind of supernatural stuff. Always really interested. I went to see a gypsy in a fair once when I was about nine, and she said, "Oh, I'll tell you a fortune." My mum loved all that stuff, so we we paid our money, got to to hear my fortune, and she said, "I can see you, my dear." And she had she had the whole thing. She had the scarf. She was big earrings and stuff. She looked cool. Ooh, yeah. So she said, "I see you speaking, and you're speaking in a big auditorium with a lot of people, and you're coming down these stairs, and you're having these amazing stories, she told me that when I was nine, and I yeah I wrote my book recently or one of the my memoir, and it was only recently I realized that old lady at the fair, I don't know what she was identifying was, but she worked with, but she was quite old. She told me a lot of things that actually happened in my life, and she said, "You're you're a connector with genius people and a lot of music in your life." Yeah. So I've I've always been really open to it. That shifted considerably when I had my near death experience.
Alex Ferrari 5:00
Yeah. So you mentioned you you believed in fairies and and the other ones, which I've understand that to be now elementals. And like I know in Ireland, no, is it gnomes?
Susie Pearl 5:11
No, they're called. Oh gosh,
Alex Ferrari 5:15
You know what I'm talking about?
Susie Pearl 5:15
Oh yeah, the little ones.
Alex Ferrari 5:18
Yeah, the little guy.
Susie Pearl 5:18
Yeah, yeah,
Alex Ferrari 5:19
Yeah. But it's either gnomes or something along those lines. So it seems like in the UK in general that the pagan ideas of like fairies and gnomes and those kind of supernatural elementals is very common. In and it's basically it's not in the blood. It's in the blood of of history.
Susie Pearl 5:39
I hang out with druids, and they're all about trees, nature, the spirits of trees, and you can have a great conversation with any druid you like about the spirits of that are dwelling within nature, and that kind of works for me. I like that. I think, yeah, that's how it's going.
Alex Ferrari 5:58
That's very cool. Now, with all the work that you've done with you know famous people, and and and again, I I come from that that world, not at the level that you have, but I've seen fame, and I see what fame does. Have you seen a cost that of success that people don't fame and success that people outside of the industry doesn't understand? Because it always always people like oh I want to be rich and famous like do you though do do you really want to be rich and famous like you know
Susie Pearl 6:28
I've been with these superstars and let's say Madonna all these kind of people and traveled with them I was part of the the caravan the crazy crazy circus that goes around. I'd open my windows. I remember once we were in Park Lane in London. I'd organized a press conference, and I looked outside. Big windows going onto Park Lane, the big road going down the center of London, and as far as I could see, there was just faces standing there, looking up, looking for where we were, and every meal we had had to be pre-planned. Where we were going, instructing no photographs, no autographs, no coming at us and leave us alone sort of thing. There was just so much involved. Being famous and very wealthy, and being able to have whatever you want in this lifetime, it's not all it's cracked up to be. I know that's easy to say, but the cost of fame. My son, who's now 26, said, "I never want to be famous, Mum, and I don't want you to be, you know, I wouldn't like it for you to be married to one of these really famous people you've been working with. And there was one person I, you know, it was kind of could be on the cards. I was going to happen. And he said, I don't want that in my life. And he already knew, a very young boy, having seen our lifestyles, that it's not the thing. You don't know who your friends are. I'll give you an example. I was I was the founder of a very successful celebrity PR agency, and in month one we started with MTV, the Spice Girls, Madonna, and some other big old thing. Right, so my phone began. My phone was ringing nonstop, seven days a week, all round the clock. People trying to get hold of me to set up arrangements or be my friend or whatever. When I sold my agency, literally from one day to the next, my phone stopped ringing, and my inner circle was had become really small, really fast. These friends that I had gazillions of all disappeared. My relationship bust, and I was going through a meltdown. And really, very few people were there for me. I was kind of shocked, really shocked, that this that I who who had the biggest address book in the world had friends everywhere. Suddenly, didn't have friends. I could no longer get people into the alias parties on the red carpet, all this sort of stuff, and they all buzzed off. It was like a puff of smoke on a stage. Everyone had clicked it, and the pain, Alex, of that realizing that my friends were really not friends at all, was shocking to me and upset me deeply for a long time.
Alex Ferrari 9:31
What did you believe? Were you afraid of dying before this near death?
Susie Pearl 9:36
Before, well, I had my I had a lot of death around me. I lost. I was there with my mum when she passed. That was very beautiful. I held her hand, and I and she said to me, "Darling, they're calling me over the bridge," and we'd been told she was old. She was identifying as 78 or something. She was old, right? So she was in the hospital, and we knew I we were taking. In turn, the kids to look after and be there, and I was there really in the last last moments. And I held her hand, and she she was looking sort of far off in the distance, and said, "Oh, they're they're calling me over now." And I said, "Well, Mum, you can go whenever you like. Just know go know that you've been the best mum ever, and we love you so much, and you've taught us so much, and you've been so kind, and and thank you for all that you've done for us. And so she talked about it as going over the bridge, and then, and then we had a phone call from one of the her grandchildren, who's who is living in Italy. She'd been a student there, and she said, "I'm coming home. I'm coming back. I'm going to come and see Nanny. So I said, "Oh, okay." So I said to Mum, "Joanna's coming back to see you." Well, she came back from the bridge, pulled herself back, and she stayed for the next three or four days till she saw her granddaughter, gave her a hug, and then off she went. So that got me thinking about death. Thought, wow, maybe we do decide. Maybe we can pull back if we if we want to stay a bit longer. And that was probably the first time I thought about death. I wasn't actually scared of it. I was all right with it because the people who were dying, like my mom had had a brilliant life and she'd reached an old age. My father had was involved in a car incident, and I got a phone call. He's passed in this terrible situation, so that was a shocking thing. And I had to think about what death meant. He'd gone very suddenly. I didn't say goodbye. I remember our last conversation, and he said to me, "Chief, whatever you do in your life is all right with me." I mean, cheers, Dad. See you soon. Bam. That was the end of the phone call. But what a cool end conversation. He didn't know he was going to go. I didn't. But that was something was there to kind of allow us to have a very beautiful closure. So I don't know. But when I got ill, I I got seriously ill. I was I was told I wasn't going to last very long. I wasn't frightened, but that was for a different reason.
Alex Ferrari 12:11
Right, not not because of the near death experience. So, before we get to the near death experience, before the NDE, what did you think a good life was?
Susie Pearl 12:22
Wow, that's that's yeah. So I was having a pretty good life, and all these pop stars with budgets to do whatever we wanted, and that was on one level a really good life. I'm the girl who I'd never taken drugs, and I don't drink alcohol. Never did. So I wasn't living a kind of crazy hedonistic partying da da da life. But I was going to lots of parties, gigs backstage. I was I was living that kind of entertainment industry life, and that felt like a good life until I looked around and realized I couldn't maintain the relationship. I'd I'd had a big meltdown with the person I thought was going to be with for the rest of my life. He legged it and went off with someone, and so suddenly this super life that looked full of color and spotlights and glitter. I think I called in my book "Glitter and Heels." Period. It it was great at the time, but then very soon I realized I wasn't living my life. I was at the beck and call of everyone else, and having to just do loads of work and deliver deadlines and be good at my job and shine and be the best and that's a lot to take on. And also, the main thing I noticed was when I went home at weekends or went to see my family or went to see my friends and they went, "Hey, what you been doing? I couldn't tell them. I'd just come back from Madonna's house for the weekend. I'd just come back from LA, and we were at this house party with all the big old movie stars. I couldn't tell them that. What have you been doing? Oh, we went to the pub, didn't we, Larry? Yeah, it was great. You know that I I was out of synchronization with everyone else I knew, so that was horrible. But I didn't really realize it's like anything that's tragic that's happening in your in your life or out of balance. Often we don't realize till we're really messed up, and I think that was true with me.
Alex Ferrari 14:38
So let's let's go to your the the day of your near death experience. What exactly happened before you went to the other side?
Susie Pearl 14:45
So I'd had this crazy showbiz life, and I was exhausted. So and I sold my company, and then I went to Ibiza to lie down in the sunshine and get out corporate world. And I was with my son, and we were living in this beautiful. Forest. We had lovely neighbors, and we were living this pretty idyllic life. And my neighbor, she was Eastern European and had been through a lot. She was a tough cookie, and you don't mess with her. We used to meet in our local village, and one day we went to meet, and I couldn't remember the way, and I I was like an hour late. She says, "You're never so late. What's going on?" So I couldn't remember how to get here. And she went, "Right, you have been acting very strange. I'm going to take you for a checkup." Oh no no no no! I don't do doctors and I don't do medications and stuff. So she said, "No, oh right, bioresonance. That's something you basically put magnets on and see what's happening in your body. So we went for a bioresonance check with her friend, and my brain was really coming up strong on her indicators and markers. So the woman said, "I think you need to go to hospital and get checked." I said, "I'm absolutely not doing that." So my darling neighbor bundled me in the car, and it was like a movie. She kind of stuffed me in the car. I was going, no, no, no, no. She go, you going? She pushed me in, and that saved my life because we went to hospital. I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Ended up in hospital, and the doctor said, this isn't good. It's right in the middle of your brain. Three weeks to live. Get your family here, get a lawyer, draw up a will. So I was like, okay, and I wasn't scared. It was weird. Um, I sat on my bed and started to meditate. I've been a meditator since my meltdown happened, so it was sort of 20 years on. I've been doing it twice a day regularly, so I'm very committed and familiar. Sat on my bed, closed my eyes to connect with my breath and do my meditation. I'm TM meditator, so I have got a mantra. Started with my mantra, and then I had this intuition flash. Had this this kind of information came straight into me saying, "You're going to die today." It was very gentle, and then this golden orb came in and around me, and I reference it and call it and code it like golden angels arrived, and they were all around me, and I was communing with them. I wasn't scared. It felt good, actually. Got someone on my side, you know, looking out for me. And so they said, "You're going to have three scams. One's really bad. You've had that one. The second one improved. Third one, you're out of here. And I prayed and I said, "Why am I going through this? You know, I'm a good, really good person." And they said, "Because you're a writer and you've got a platform, and you can write the story and you can inspire millions of people around the world about living and dying." So I got it. I'm on a mission. That's cool. Okay, I'm on a mission. That makes it all okay. I'm dying, perhaps, but I'm going to come back and I'm going to write a book. And they also said, "Oh, there's going to be a movie," which is on the cards as well. So I I popped out and had and saw the nurse that I really liked and I said hey and she was in the middle of meeting she said what is it I said I need to speak to urgently she said okay I'll be over in a minute I said no no it's really urgent so she came over and she puts that and I said I'm going to die so this is in a cancer ward of people dying all over the place, you know. Every evening, someone was being wheeled out. It's sad. So she said, "We'll keep an eye on you." With don't worry. So I went back, sat on my bed, and it was then that it started. It started like this.
Susie Pearl 18:55
I was in meditation, so my eyes were shut, and I was really in my body, and I felt my soul in a spiral. I'm doing a spiral here. Go through my body, and then I felt like I had a hoover here, sucking up my soul out the top of my head, the crown of my head, and then I was looking down on my body, and I I knew I wasn't in my body, and that was a weird feeling. Separate somehow. And then I noticed that I was expanding into this cosmic. It was like a Hollywood movie, cosmic stars everywhere. And I can relate this now because since my NDE, I've now started working with some astronauts, and they've been telling me about the overview effect of when you go out from orbit from the planet and you look back, you see life and the planet and Earth in a different perspective. My experience. Parallels that I could describe it in the same way as they describe the overview experience. So there I was, kind of floating around in sparkly space, but with my consciousness still linked to my to me somehow, and I that's another conversation of what happens with your consciousness when this near death happens. So I was expanded, and I then got the information that I'm going to be showing a tour of heaven. The mood was unconditional love and bliss. It's the most beautiful space. It's beyond words. I can't even describe it, Alex. Other than saying it's beyond descriptor words. It was a feeling I had never had, and it it felt like heaven. Like I had co as I would imagine heaven to be. No problems, joy, feeling fully loved unconditionally. It was incredible, and I also knew because of the golden angel story that this trip was part of a recovery and a healer, a massive healing for me. I knew that that was going to be my outcome. So, even at that point, I had no fear. I wasn't thinking, "Oh my God!" And I'm a mum. You know, I had a young son. So then the next question, the next information came in: "Do you want to stay here? You have." I knew it was a one-time passcode about coming back. I could come back now, or I would stay there. That was it, and I knew when I came back that I would be healed. I just knew that. So I said in my head, "I want to come back. I've got some. I've got more to do. I've got things I've got to do. I've got a mission to complete." And as soon as I set the intention, white flash back in my body, and I'm in my hospital room, my hospital bed, all these bleeping monitors going on, and nurses running around, and I knew I couldn't tell the doctors really at that point, I felt very different, and I came back with zero fear about anything. But I'd still had my smart head on. I'd spent years as a celebrity publicist keeping quiet about stories I knew about to keep them out of the papers, and I knew with my publicist heart that I could not really. This wasn't the time to start talking about. Oh yeah, I've been to heaven and back. I just knew that. I tell you what, I was worried about, Alex. I thought if I start talking about the fact I've just been to heaven, I've just come back and I'm fully healed, they're going to think, okay, well, because when I started describing stories to my family and friends and stuff, and eyes would roll. I remember saying before this, oh, I'm going to get out of this. I'm I know I'm going to get through it, and they would kind of smile sweetly, and eyes would roll up, and they were thinking, "God, she's going. She's mental. She's actually lost it." And I didn't want to be medicated and locked up in a psychiatric unit because I've gone crazy. Because I was acting crazy, I haven't told you the bit about while I was ill and before all of this was sort of identified, I cashed in all my savings, my pensions. Even though I was identifying as 35, I knew I didn't need the money. I was all right. I didn't need the money.
Susie Pearl 23:56
I spent on a spending spree and I bought all the things I was going to wear when I got out of this mess. I was buying gorgeous beach wraps and low. I was one day I ordered like 25 pairs of trainers, which turned up at my brother's house, and he came in and said, "We need to talk. I know you're ill and everything, but you need to stop ordering all this on the internet." Well, no one else knew. It looked like crazy behavior, and I was talking very fast. I was very excitable about everything, and I thought everything was possible. I'd written movie scripts and put them up on my hospital wall, and I was acting like a mad person. But to me, it all made sense, and yeah, I was talking very fast, and I was hyper. But I knew that I knew that my story would end well, but then I also realized if I gave other people a sense, that's what I'm saying. They thought I was really, really crazy, so I had to kind of pretend that I was normal and not tell this story. I didn't tell it for a long time.
Alex Ferrari 24:57
So when you were on the other side, there. Wasn't a life review or anything else? Are there any other details that happened to you during that process?
Susie Pearl 25:05
I saw the macro of my life, and I saw what I believed was people I knew, but it was all a bit shape shifty and swirly, and I can't really remember too many details about it, other than it was like a sci-fi movie, and I don't really remember. I kind of there was a bit of a flicker book style thing of stuff from my from my life, but I wasn't in a position to sew it together or join the dots at that point. So really, it was more like floating in the universe outside.
Alex Ferrari 25:46
Did anybody show up? Relatives, friends, deities, animals, anyone? Did you see anything like that?
Susie Pearl 25:54
I had well, the deities. I my golden angel crew were there and kept coming back, and I knew they were my trustees. You know, they were my guard dogs, if you like. I loved them. I I saw them. I knew they were. It was an. I say see. When we're talking at this level, this very high level, it's actually a kind of sublimation. It's the senses all merged together, so it's not seeing with my eyes or feeling or tasting. It's a kind of more of a knowingness using all the senses as a whole. It feels like the senses go into a a unified field of senses. So I can't say to you, I saw this or I heard this, but I was getting information.
Alex Ferrari 26:45
From what I understand, that happens when you're on the other side. You get a, I call it, for lack of a better word, the cloud. So you're kind of tapped into all information that has ever existed, and you all automatically just know everything when you're up there. Yes, you have a download. Is that accurate?
Susie Pearl 27:03
Yes.Okay. So there's a couple of things to say about this. It was made clear to me that this was a journey of exploration, giving me important downloads that I can then pass on to other people back on the ground, and I kind of knew that was what was happening. And the iCloud, for me, doesn't give it a tangible feeling what it felt like. I think I love the world field, the collective field. I feel like I was floating in this collective field where all information, all stuff, all live, everything, future, past, now was all was present, and that's what it felt like. It was being in a. When I was writing my first book, I was doing this shamanic course of going up to akashic records, pulling down my book that I was here to write, and downloading it, and then writing it, and I did that as a practice, and that's how I wrote my first book. It was complete downloaded, and I really was just writing it down. As Paul McCartney told me, he got his lyrics like that in India when he was learning meditation. That's another story that you can talk about. So for me, it was getting the downloads while I was there of what is this all about on a big scale, and and that was very very clear to me that I was I was receiving important information that I would have to no. I was on purpose to give out to the world at a later day, which is what exactly what I'm doing now. Seven years later.
Alex Ferrari 28:47
Now you you describe something called the field of light. Is that kind of what this this area? What this what we were talking about?
Susie Pearl 28:54
Yeah, I didn't say light, but is that fair? I said collective field, and by that I mean the the field of all that is, and a lot of mystics talk in that term of the collective field. Oh, I work with. I was lucky enough to work with David Lynch during my life. I love that man, and I'm not going to talk about him as past. I'm going to talk about him as present because that's he's still here for me, and he talked a lot about this area that we're talking about the collective the collective field, and he he is his thing was very much tea and meditation and and getting putting ideas down or going fishing. He liked the idea of going fishing for ideas, and you get them, and then you have to look after them or write them down, and so you don't lose them and stuff like this. So I think this concept of a big a big old sea of ideas is a familiar one for many people. So kind of makes sense to call it a field, I think.
Alex Ferrari 30:00
That's that's beautiful. So when you got back down, it seems like you had your near death experience through a meditation. So you were meditating, and then you died during that process. Like you kind of like you were meditating, and then you that's when everything was beeping.
Susie Pearl 30:18
That's when my soul left my body. Yeah,
Alex Ferrari 30:19
Right. And that's when, but physically, your body something happened because when you woke up, when you came back, people were losing their mind and things were beeping. So something had happened, correct?
Susie Pearl 30:28
Yeah, and all, and also when I had the next scan, the doctor came into the room, very neutral face, and I was trying to read, and you'd come in to give me the results. I was like weird because I'd become an expert at looking at even little slight facial things from all the work I'd done with Cormacenna and Bandler and stuff. So I'd become a ninja at being able to read people. And he came in the door, and I couldn't read him. Oh my! Oh my God! I don't know, but I did know and did believe what the Golden Angels had already told me was that I was going to get a better, much better scan, and this would be the the precursor to the all clear scan. So the doctor came in and he said, "Susie, I've got your results." I went, "Yeah." Said, "Very puzzling, very surprising. I don't really understand it. I've been in this business, 45 years in oncology, I've never seen this before. It looks like a miracle to me, but we do not work in miracles. And I, he said, that's not my business. My business is not miracles. And I laughed at his face and said, mine is. And so he, he kind of like, he said, well, and this is before I even knew what the answer was, and he said the tumor has gone, and there's no scar tissue, which we would have expected to see. So I just don't. I've never seen anything like this, and it it it looks like a miracle. But those aren't my words, sort of thing. And you know what, Alex? I've never told him this about this story. I'm actually going to send him the book. He's still working in Cambridge University Hospital, so I will send it to him. But he knows nothing. I haven't didn't have a kind of bridge to be able to bring this to them. I think I reached out for to the doctor one day to see if I could kind of share the story, but I was closed down by the lots of gateways, layers. Yeah.
Alex Ferrari 32:24
Wow. Yeah. Of course, because he's not in the miracle business. God forbid, right? God forbid that you miraculously heal when you give it.
Susie Pearl 32:33
Yeah. There's some sort of bigger force. Yeah.
Alex Ferrari 32:37
God forbid, my lord doesn't come out of a bag or a pill.
Susie Pearl 32:42
No, or from one of those huge pharmaceutical companies that have so much money to spend.
Alex Ferrari 32:50
Yes, of course, of course.
Susie Pearl 32:52
Yeah, I became. You know, I would always be. It's funny because I remember being given some pills when I was a little girl for something I had, influenza or something, and I remember getting home with my mom and her saying, "Right, you have to take these two white tablets now." And I could not; I was choking. And then they put the doctor said, "Put them in jam and then get her to eat that." I said, "I'm not eating that, and I don't want to take those tablets." And I was eight, and I haven't changed, and I still don't want to take the tablets.
Alex Ferrari 33:19
Fair enough. Fair enough. So when so you came back, there was no choice in the sense on the other side. You just you made a decision.
Susie Pearl 33:29
I did choose. I said they said you want to come back or not, and I said yeah. You know I've got my son. I'm a mom, young boy. I'm not ready to go. He needs me still. I've got work to do. Bam! White flesh back in my body, fully healed.
Alex Ferrari 33:45
So then, when you got back into your body, what did that feel like? Because my understanding is also on the other side. There's obviously no body, no pain, no anything on that side. But when they get slammed in, depending on the body that you're slamming back into, and I heard, and I use the word slamming purposely because I hear it's like a kind of vibe from different people. Obviously, how was it for you, and what did you feel when you were back in the body?
Susie Pearl 34:09
Because it was in my brain, I lost a lot of memory material and fabric. So that actual memory of coming back into my body isn't clear to me. I remember Moore being told by the doctor, "It's clear." I said, "Can I go back to Ibiza? When can I go back to Ibiza?" He said, "You can go when you like." And that was then my whole body was just full of excitement, emotion, gratitude, thanks. Like, oh my god, I'm going to be out out of this because I kept escaping from the hospital. I escaped three times because I didn't want to be incarcerated. Yeah, in this room. So I'd wait for the I waited for the nurses to have their meeting. I'd go to the little room that had my books with my outdoor. I would go to the ladies' loo's and get changed out of my gown into my outside clothes. Nip down. This is in Cambridge. Nip. Wait for the security guards to be talking or be on a break, and then I would press lift, go down, and go to the taxi rank. Go into town. Go to Wagamama's was my favorite. I went to Wagamama's, had loads of great food, and then I got my nails done, and I got a hat. I looked cool, and then, and then one one time I did it in the Ibiza Hospital. I was walking down the mainstream main street in Ibiza, and I'd switch my phone off so no one could get me. And I looked up, and there was my neighbor on the other side of the road with Chaz Smash from the band called Madness, who's a really good friend of mine. And on stage he goes, "Hey you, don't listen to that. Listen to this. This is the heavy, heavy sound." And he would do that, and then he shouted across it, "Hey you, Susie Pearl, what are you doing? You're meant to be elsewhere. You're meant to be in the hospital. What are you doing? And I said, I'm getting my nails done. So you know that was one of three trips. I and I escaped, and it got more difficult because they kept close to Miami after that because I I didn't want to be I couldn't be held you know in a prison club like that.
Alex Ferrari 36:17
So when you got back, obviously you said you kept the information quiet, and that happens to a lot of NDEers, and specifically with your world, because you were still in the world of publicity, and you know,
Susie Pearl 36:30
Kind of. I mean, I'd sold my company very, very, you know, not not that long before, and I kind of retired. Well, not retired, but I, you know, I, I sold it and got out the business, and then moved to Ibiza early to get out of. Oh, I've been there before. I just, I just went to Ibiza and bought a house there one day. I went for two weeks and ended up staying 15 years. I love, but yeah, it, it was, ah, it was fresh in my mind that I've come out of all of this, and my I was I've always been a maverick, obviously, and I wanted to be free to do what I wanted, and this event of the NDE and being in a hospital and being told to stay in this one room, which had a terrace, and I wasn't allowed to go out because my immune system had been smashed. It felt like being a prisoner, and I was kicking and screaming in there. One of the things I learned was the power of community. In Ibiza, I had such incredible friends, and they all came to the hospital. And it was my brilliant neighbor Lily had organized a rota where people would come, so I'd always have people there. They'd come with guitars, with rugs. They'd sit outside. The sun would be shining, and they would be singing and dancing. And the nurses would come in and go, "Susie, you having a party again in your room?" I said, "Yeah, that's going to really help me heal." And they'd never seen this was in a beef hospital, but they'd never seen the sort of thing where there was this 50 people in a WhatsApp group sorting my life out and making it really fun in hospital, bringing me food, the beautiful organic cafe I used to go to all the time. Every day they'd bring me my lunch from the other side of the island, and this made me feel loved, Alex, and it made me feel like I have people on my side now. I've actually got proper friends. I've actually got a proper community, and I tell you that was a big deal in me healing, definitely.
Alex Ferrari 38:53
So, what did people who knew about the diagnosis prior to the NDE, and and when you came back out, obviously clean and clear, the tumor was gone, and you were healing. You know, coming back from that, what did people say about that? How did they? How did they react to this before you even started talking about the NDE obviously,
Susie Pearl 39:14
And this was Ibiza. This is an ayahuasca crew who go up, and you know, I'd done ayahuasca myself and been out with shamans and stuff, and so I'd had this sort of psychedelic experience. So going up to these other realms was another psychedelic experience. So actually, my NDE was quite well prepared for because I'd been journeying into other realms anyway without being ill. So it was quite familiar to me. What was the question again? I've forgotten.
Alex Ferrari 39:43
So, what did they think about the healing, the spontaneous, miraculous healing?
Susie Pearl 39:48
I don't think they saw it as a miraculous healing. I mean, I was in hospital, and people expect you to either die in hospital or get better. So, the getting better bit was didn't have to be explained really. Like oh she's just she's she went on some sort of medical trip so whatever it was they were doing worked.
Alex Ferrari 40:07
Got it. It wasn't so. At what point did you decide? Well, before I ask you that, what stopped mattering instantly when you got back? Because there's a lot of things we worry about before one of these kind of events happen in your life, and when you come back, it's very clear. Like, oh, well, this is what's really important. That other stuff was BS. Was anything that you were worried about or thought about a lot before? And when you came back, you're like, that doesn't matter anymore. I've seen the universe.
Susie Pearl 40:35
Yeah. Well, one thing it did was it was relevant and person that I was given three weeks to live at some point, so my brain had to compute a concept of I've got three weeks left on this planet, whether or not I believed that, which I didn't. The actual facts, as it were, and we'll talk about facts later because the facts. Someone said to me, I think it's my brother said, you have to face the facts. When I said I'm getting out of here, I'm not going to stay in hospital. I'm going to get better. Said, but you have to face the facts. And I said, No, no, I don't deal on facts. I'm creating my own reality. And they were all going, Oh God, lost her head. You know, she lost mind. But anyway, the main thing really was. What was what were we saying? Where do we start with this question?
Alex Ferrari 41:27
What matters? What what?
Susie Pearl 41:30
Oh yeah, every day counts. Every day counts. If I've got three weeks to live, I'm not going to go. Oh, I spent a few days just wasting it. That's you know, I'll just hang out, not think about it. No, suddenly, if you've got a number of days left, you are gonna put everything you want in those days. You are gonna eat what you want, see who you want, talk, have great conversations, and really enjoy everything you possibly can. Because you ain't got time, girl, to go. Oh, I am gonna waste a weekend or not bother about thinking about too much. Everything is important. What I was thinking about, what I was feeling about, what I was eating, what I was, who I was hanging out with, and I had great friends around my my my bed during this time, and people were just gorgeous. You know, they would come, and they were having a great. They were healing, Alex. They were healing because they were offering so much support to me. The whole community got buzz. I know that. And people now. I have a very Barry Fruchman. He was married to Annie Lennox, the singer, for many years, and they had kids together. Beautiful man, very understated. You'd never know anything about him unless you get to know him really well, and then slowly it comes out. Gorgeous. He was there, and he leaned over. And he was one of my rocks. There was two big North Pole and South Pole rocks. One was a major rock star. The other one was a big film director with a big life with Annie. You know, he'd seen everything. And Uri was in my hospital in my hospital room with a lot of other people one day, and I saw I looked over at him and I saw his actually, and he was in my house because we had a blessing before I went to hospital, and about 40 or 50 people came to my house in Ibiza to sing songs and talk about me and my life in front of me. It was like attending my own funeral,
Alex Ferrari 43:38
Like a wake. Yeah,
Susie Pearl 43:39
Yeah. I was at my own wake. Guitars.
Alex Ferrari 43:44
That's beautiful, though.
Susie Pearl 43:45
Songs. These are a lot of plant medicine people. You know, there was a lot of songs. People, someone at the top of the room holding the space, and my friend Hieronymo, who who who does a lot of work in the Amazon and is strong on the on the plants journeying side, and has done documentaries about indigenous tribes and what's important in that kind of indigenous culture of ancient wisdom. He went round the room of all my friends who were sitting there that day, and they all thought this is the last goodbye, actually, because that's what we'd all been told. But I knew it wasn't, but they didn't. So we went round each person and asked them what difference or what impact has Suti had on your life, and each one there told a story about how I impacted them. Alex, it was like the biggest movie scene I've ever experienced. Everyone was in tears, sobbing, including me. Going, oh my god, this is so lovely. I never knew that was so important to you. We said things we should have said, and we said the things that would not have got said unless they thought I was about to die. So I heard how much love people had for me. I had no idea, and that healed me also, and made me cry a lot too.
Alex Ferrari 45:05
You mentioned earlier about consciousness. What happens to consciousness on the other side?
Susie Pearl 45:10
Great question. I'm very. I've always been very interested in consciousness. My work with David Lynch. We talked about consciousness, meditation, and creativity; these were the big three themes, and for me, they still are. 15 years later, this is my interest: is what is consciousness? Because death is not the end. Okay, our bodies may stop, but our soul is eternal. I know that we're all one, and I know that we're guided by this big, beautiful force that gives us challenges, great storylines, bumping into people who we end up loving, and we have this extraordinary palette of human experience. We couldn't write that script. You couldn't write that script. I couldn't write that script. It's brilliant, and it's incredibly ridiculously connected. You know, I've had manifestations that people cannot believe. I wrote down on a vision board for my first book that I wanted Paul McCartney to be the first guy to read my manuscript. I'd never had no connection with Paul at that time, and then it turned out that we ended up living in the same kind of village in a Sussex in England, and he was going to the same school. Our kids were at the same school every day, so I got to see him and meet him. He ended up being that first person to read my manuscript. Now I imagined that, and then it came into manifestation. So what I'm illustrating with this story is we are more extraordinary than we could possibly believe, and the conscious going back to consciousness, it's a mind thing, it's a body thing, it's a brain thing, but it's much bigger than all of these things. And I am on a quest now to really look at what happens to consciousness when we die. This is going to be my next big quest to find out. And you know, I've got mates who are scientists at Cambridge Uni and stuff looking at consciousness, and I'm asking these questions. Yeah, interesting. I don't know the answer.
Alex Ferrari 47:20
Well, you also mentioned about Paul in India. We have a film on on Next Level Soul TV called The Beatles in India, which does a deep dive into into the into what happened there with the Maharishi and and how I think they wrote. I think they wrote was it Sergeant Sergeant Pepper? They wrote there most of Sergeant Pepper.
Susie Pearl 47:41
I've got a story about this under a tree in Sussex. After we dropped the kids off at school one day, I was under this tree, and and Paul and I would chat every day because we just got on. He wasn't Paul McCartney, superstar, biggest musician in the world person when I was talking to him. He was my maid, and that's how I always managed my relationships with with these big artists. So we were just chatting as mates, and he said, "I was talking about meditation, how important it was." He said, "I'm going to introduce you to my friend David Lynch." I said, "Oh, that'd be great." He said, "Yeah, you know, he's really into creativity and meditation as you are." I said, "Great." We ended up writing a book together. In one of these conversations at school in the morning, 930 in the morning with Paul, he told me he said when we were in India learning TM with Maharishi, I would wake up in the mornings with songs fully formed, and I would just reach for a piece of paper and write it down. The lyrics were all there. The melody was all there. All we had to do, literally, was play it and make it. A light bulb. When you told me this, a light bulb went off in my head. I'd only written one book at this time, and I thought I'm going to write a book about this at some point when I'm ready, and that time is now. I'm actually that's my next book, and I this week I've sent off my book Rebirth to to go to the next stage for publishing, and my next book is about the Beatles, and I'm interested about how this group of guys who and they talked about having a collective mind as well, and out of this collective mind come the lyrics. And in India, they wrote 40 of their most enduring songs. Now that is interesting. If the Beatles get together and take loads of drugs, and they've been doing LSD and the whole thing. Loads of psychedelics. They get together. They they write 40 40 songs, not 1 2 3, 40 songs.
Alex Ferrari 49:51
Yeah,
Susie Pearl 49:51
They write which are everlasting. All these years later, decades later, people are still listening. In fact. Beatles are having this major resurgence, and look at Paul McCartney, 85, putting out another album or another tracks from from this this album. It's extraordinary, and he's a TM meditator. He meditates every day. I asked, I saw James McCartney in the last couple of weeks, and I I we were talking about meditation. He said, "Yeah, Dad meditates every day, as does Ringo. Ringo looks amazing. I mean, he's sort of 86.
Alex Ferrari 50:30
They both look.
Susie Pearl 50:32
He's identifying as 21.
Alex Ferrari 50:33
There's no question. There's no question. No, I've, I've, I've been fascinated with the Beatles for such a long time, and what they've been able to do, you know, the majority. I think it was Paul that said this. Like the majority of the songs we write were about love, and in one way, shape, or form, it was about love and the energy. And there's a reason why my kids, who are teenagers, you know, they love the Beatles. You know, we went to Vegas and did the Beatles show of love there, and they saw it there, and it's, it's, you know. But as when it starts, when I started to do deep, deeper research into India and the Vedic philosophies and the yogic philosophies, obviously I have Yogananda right over my shoulder, and I I I really dug deep. The Beatles kept coming up, and when I would go into this time that they would spent with the Maharishi, and it wasn't that long. It was they were there like two three weeks, if I'm not mistaken, something like that.
Susie Pearl 51:32
And then you know one of the band left and didn't stay very long, etc. You know, it was a yeah. It wasn't like there were a year training and da da da. No, it was a really short period of time, and these crazy, this crazy outcome, which is remarkable. Very exciting to write this, and and that I know I'm going to find a lot of stuff. And you know, the other thing, Alex, is what's happened since I started talking about doing a Beatles book, not hugely. I think I did. I've done one post about it, and this MTV screening I went to the other day. All my old mates I used to work with were there. The guy sitting in front of me just turned around and went, "Hey, Sue, what you up to?" I saw I'm writing books. You know, I'm just about to do one on the Beatles. He went. Oh, my uncle was brother of Brian Epson and has got all of these photographs. Do you want to have a look? I'm like, yeah, I would. Someone else offered me a load of archive material that no one's ever seen from the Beatles in India, and you know, just randomly, people will come to me, and I was told in one of my meditations that I'd been living in Ibiza for 15 years, and it was time now because of the work I'm doing to go to London. And it is in London where I have now been fortunate enough to meet these people who've all got incredible nuggets of gold sitting in their attic about Beatles in India. So I know that I'm the one because I know I've been connected with David Lynch with TM Meditation. He's like the the guy getting it out in the world, and knowing Paul, knowing the band, all of this stuff, and being a writer, I can't think. There's too many more people in the world who are better poised to do it, because there are lots and lots of very interesting threads from that time. I also have a theory, just to butt in. I have a theory that the Beatles. You mentioned it that even your, you know, kids love it, and it passes through generations. It's such a strong musical, cultural, powerful force of good. This band in the world through these ages, and has created such a a huge stream and and wave of love, enduring love. I think the universe has cooked up here something in musical format to spread the love and keep spreading the love through these periods of time we're going through. And man, do we need love? I'm wearing my special T-shirt, by the way.
Alex Ferrari 54:22
Yeah, choose choose love.
Susie Pearl 54:23
Yeah, we have got. What would happen if we all started loving each other unconditionally? I forgive you. I love you. So this morning I was in the supermarket buying some food, and there was a guy in one of these wheelie. He he he was disabled guy, and he had one of these sort of motorized little things, and he was going past the butter counter. And I saw him, and I said, "Hi, how you doing?" He went, "Hi, I'm good. Do I know you?" I said, "No, I'm just saying hello to a lot of people today because I'm just sort of sharing the love." And he went, "You've made my day." And then we started this conversation. He said. You've made me feel loved today. You've really had an impact on me, and I thought it's simple. We just talk to each other, and we just beam out love to each other. And I think something with the Beatles, for example, when you play that, you just get the vibe. You feel it. You all all these screaming people in the audience. They were just loving what they were feeling, and it was music that took them there, so I know that music is universal powers that we can use to create a better world.
Alex Ferrari 55:30
Because you've worked with some so many, so so many amazing artists over the years, and you could say the same. I mean, the Beatles have because they have so many songs, but there's a lot of the artists that are legendary stars, and Madonna, George Michael, these people who created songs that will last the test of time. There's no question about it. I'm curious your thoughts on this, and and I don't want it's not a controversial. Hopefully, it's not a controversial question, but and this happens with all artists, film, books. You can I can list all the great writers who were drug addicts or that didn't do right or anything like that. The universe sometimes chooses imperfect messengers to bring out this these perfect pieces, and sometimes they're one-hit wonders. Sometimes they get one book, they get one movie, they get one song, but that song will live on forever. That book will live on forever. That movie will live on forever through an imperfect vessel. Now the Beatles, the Beatles are the Beatles, and were they perfect? No. Did they piss off a lot of people along the way, yes, but you're if you don't piss somebody off along the way, you're not doing your job. That's the way I'm.
Susie Pearl 56:45
We are human. You're not human.
Alex Ferrari 56:48
What's your thought on that?
Susie Pearl 56:49
Connecting to this is that we life is like how are you today? It depends what time you ask me. You know, I could be having a great day and something brilliant happens, and then I go back down again. It's not a straight line. Life isn't a straight line, and we learn what we need to learn through difficult things. You know, I say to people, I had brain cancer. They go, Oh, I'm so sorry. No, it was actually one of the greatest events in my life because I had to tread on those red hot coals. I had to have trust, faith, forgiveness. I had to find my community. I had to remember I was loved. All of these things, and we're not taught with red ribbons and roses and beautiful petals. The important lesson we lessons we're taught by tragedy, difficulty, challenges, things we have to really find, dig deep for courage to find in order to learn what we're here to learn. So it's not dressed up in perfection; it never is. And my trick for going through life is to, when shitty things happen, I had it happen yesterday. Something about editing my book, and I was like, "Oh man, no, that's a major problem." Now we've got this issue in the the middle of this edit of this book, and it turned out to be great. I just didn't know the bigger picture yet. So my little trick with life is when the the difficult things kick in and you can't understand it. Is look for what this nugget of deep challenge is showing us and giving us, which is a positive message. And whether we see it or not, there is always something of beauty and depth, deep wisdom in the real horrible things that happen. The split up, and when someone says to me, "Oh, I lost my job, I got made redundant." Oh God, I go, "Good. What are you meant to be doing now?" And they look at me. That's not very nice, but it it it is correct.
Alex Ferrari 58:55
Yeah, yeah. There's there's no doubt about it. Susie, what would you tell somebody who is afraid of dying.
Susie Pearl 59:03
There's nothing to be afraid of, but rather it's the most beautiful, joyful thing. We coded to talk about death as tragic. Someone's died. Oh, I'm so sorry. You know that's awful. It's not. It's beautiful. It might be awful for you. You're left behind. You have to deal with it. You've got grief. I understand that. I have empathy for that. But actually, where they're going is stunning and beautiful, and it is heavenly. So you can't be fearful of it. There's no point. And we're meant to. That's how it's meant to be. We're meant to be in a life, live a life, find out stuff, learn a lot, and then we reinvent ourselves into something else. And no one's dead. The spirit, the soul. We're having next level. Soul conversations. The soul is here forever. It's internal, with or without a body to live in. And so, my answer to your question is: there's nothing to fear.
Alex Ferrari 1:00:12
Susie, why do you think your soul chose this incarnation, and and you've lived this insanely wonderful, chaotic, lovely, all the things. I mean, you have squeezed the juice out of this life. There's no question. And to be honest with you, you know, because you chose to go down this road, I find it fascinating that someone like yourself, who's hanging out in the '80s, in the '90s with some of the big, and I say that because I was around in the '80s, in the '90s, so I know what that world was like. Not your world, but I could see what was that like, where there was drugs everywhere, where there was all these things. You didn't fall into those traps, and you made a conscious effort not to fall into those traps. So, as a soul blueprint or a soul plan, you came down like you're gonna you're gonna hang out with the you're gonna have a hell of a life, Susie, and but and you're not going to fall because it could have been so easy to fall down those paths.
Susie Pearl 1:01:07
Watching people, I mean, the natural progression ultimately, you know, smack and all the stuff that will take you down, and you can't manage your life. I was lucky not to have to deal with that, and I could do it all sober. And people would say, "I these are the days I had to explain why I wasn't drinking. You're not drinking. Can you enjoy it? Are you drinking? I'm having the best time, but I just don't happen to be pissed, and I'm making really good decisions. And I'll remember this chat tomorrow. You may you will you will not yeah, and you'll have a hangover, and I'll be skipping you know skipping to whatever I'm doing next, I was lucky. So I, I think I mean I asked when I was going through the going out my body bit. I I prayed and I said, why am I going through this? I I seem to remember phrasing it, and I'm a good person. I've dealt with all my life, and I've been really good. Why? Why me? And why now? And and the first insight I got was: you're a writer. You've got a platform. You can communicate, and we want you to communicate about this. That's why I've been so passionate about getting the book out. Alex, last night I thought the edit on my book was going to f up, and I I went to bed depressed, thinking, "Oh, that's my mission. That's why I'm here. I've been through all this stuff to write this book, so I can help people understand what happens when you die and how you're meant to be living and how you're meant to be dying. That's my job. That's my purpose now. And then that got resolved this morning in some extraordinary freaky situation, the problem I had yesterday got removed very quick. So I didn't have to sit with it for like a week or two weeks or a year. It got fixed overnight like this. So I think the reason I've been going through and had this extraordinary life, some level, my my or the designers of my life, or my soul, choosing a body and the people I was, you know, choosing my parents, choosing the life I was going to come in. You know, there were some big decision points of. I mean, you can't kind of get more glamorous and more well connected than how my trajectory ended up. So I figure out that I have a big soul purpose, and I'm doing it now. Talking to you, I'm doing it now with every story I write, every book I write, every conversation I have, every broadcast I'm involved with. I am spreading the word about choose love. I mean, I'm wearing my T-shirt. I put it on this morning just for you and for people listening to this. Death isn't the end. We're all one. We're part of a bigger, much bigger storyline than we could possibly imagine. We should enjoy the the bits that give us angst and try and mine for the nuggets, and use our consciousness for good, and I think that's my job to communicate about that.
Alex Ferrari 1:04:08
And the book that you're working on right now is that the Beatles book that were that was in editing, or is there another book?
Susie Pearl 1:04:12
No, it's a book called Rebirth, and the first half is a memoir. The first half of Rebirth is about my crazy life as a celebrity PR with MJ and the Spice Girls and the Prodigy and us going to we went to Moscow with the Prodigy and I did MTV to put it out.
Alex Ferrari 1:04:32
Yeah,
Susie Pearl 1:04:33
It was incredible. And we had the best directors, the best filmmakers. We took it all there, and we nearly died about seven times because we had no idea what the rules were, and in the end we were protected with guys with giant guns and blacked out cards and stuff. But that was dodgy, you know. We all we nearly died many times in that brilliant thing. But I will never forget standing on the stage. Check it out on YouTube. It's MTV Moscow Prodigy. It's one. The greatest pieces of music television I've ever seen, and the story behind it, I put a lot of it into the book about what was actually going on, and you could see me on stage in in the in the clip. It was incredible, and we were creating history, taken to a punk band into Red Square. Are you joking? We did not check the rule book on this, and had we done and knew what kind of danger we were in, we would not have have have done it. But we did it, and it's brilliant. It was one of the best gigs I've ever been to. It was extraordinary. So stories like this, and I never get. I've never got to tell many of the stories. I was always the publicist, getting their stories in the press, pulling back anything we didn't want to get talked about, and I never told my story until now. So the first half of the book is about my life as doing this crazy stuff.
Alex Ferrari 1:05:51
It's like Prince. Like Prince is, I think they say that he has enough music recorded to release a brand new album every year for like another 100 years or something like that.
Susie Pearl 1:06:02
It's extraordinary. These people. I remember the first time I saw Prince. I was sitting at MTV in our studios in London in Camden, and someone, a friend next to me, nudged me, and I went, "What?" So I looked over, and we had these kind of half-sized floor things to keep our desk a bit private, and so I just kind of looked over, and there was Prince walking by really tiny. I thought, oh my god, Prince! She's a great girl. And then we all we all went down the pub afterwards, and this is how life was there. Literally, we were that close with all these artists all the time, and we go down to the studio downstairs, tiny studio, watch and record a a show, and then all go down the pub together. Amazing! That was Robbie Williams. Take that. He was the fat boy in those days, and Oasis was there being you know pushing all the all the stuff around, all you know, all of that, and it was yeah, just that was, but that was normal. I just looked at him and yeah, they're in tonight. Who's in tomorrow? You know, it was just I didn't realize then that we were witnessing and part of music history, even though it was fun. You know, I was just grooving. It was just groovy every time there was some great music going on, and we'd just be dancing in the studio. Ray Koch, who did Most Wanted, the the kind of the big premiere show, he was a good friend of mine, and we just had crazy times. And you go around to his house, and there'd be Kylie Minogue sitting there, and all these people. And I remember one night we had a conversation, and we had this thing going back to the start of this talk you and I had today. Who your real friends are, and I remember Robbie talking about the fact that he had no idea who was real friends in his life because he was becoming so famous, and everyone wanted a piece. But who's the friend? And that's a very real question. When you suddenly become very very famous, and everyone wants a piece of you, it's really hard to work out who's here in life. It's very confusing. Life is confusing enough already without being famous.
Alex Ferrari 1:08:26
I can't even.
Susie Pearl 1:08:26
It's a crazy thing. So better to not be famous, guys, and just enjoy life and soak up all goodness and love music and and and be kind to each other and give a ton of love out and try and experience the most beautiful life you can because there is a frame where it starts and it finishes. In terms of this on the ground experience, your soul will go through lots of different reincarnations and applications and experiences. But fundamentally, this particular journey that we're on, this particular episode that we're running out of our lives, you know who knows. So it's our duty. I feel it's our duty to be courageous, be imaginative, be creative, to believe that anything is possible. That you might consider taking that on as as a belief system. It's really fun, and we've also learned, and science has been showing very recently that our thoughts are immensely powerful, immensely creative. The way we think, the way we feel, when we connect the dots on feeling, thoughts, words, actions, wow! You become these ninja manifestors. I have seen it in my own life, and so many others. A lot of the musicians have got it. They're singing amazing lyrics about love and the heart mind connection. So important, and and so I. If I thought, I thought the other day, what do I want my legacy to be? I want my legacy to be that I've talked a lot about the power of this thinking, feeling, talking, and it's like a magic symbiotic chemistry that we can create to create our realities. Let's do better. We know that's true. Let's do it, but lots of people don't believe it or know it or are told about it. Kids certainly aren't. So I would advocate to get that message out.
Alex Ferrari 1:10:31
Now, Susie, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?
Susie Pearl 1:10:35
My website, which is susiepearl.com, and I'm on Instagram, Susie Pearl X, and I just love it. I mean, I you know I'm accessible. I just want people to get in touch and tell me stuff, and and I enjoy writing, and I'm just going to write about all the stuff I'm learning. And each person listening to this will have incredible stories themselves, which they can work out the relationship of their lives to the life of of of the whole, and I think that's the exciting thing we will have to look forward to.
Alex Ferrari 1:11:10
Susie, it has been an absolute pleasure and honor speaking to you today, my dear. It's been so great. It's been such a fun try. I could talk to you for hours. I'm sure you have stories and stories and stories for days, but I appreciate you not only coming back on the show, but coming back. Period, and and all the work that you're doing to help awaken the planet. So thank you so much.
Susie Pearl 1:11:32
Thank you, thank you, Alex. It's been a real pleasure, and this is my topic that I love talking about. So passionate about it, and I just feel like we're all on the planet together, which is incredible that that we get to spend our time on the planet together at the same point in time. And let's make life wonderful just the best way we can, and be kind to each other and love each other, Alex. Thank you so much for inviting inviting me on. I've loved it, loved every second.
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