Divine Encounters Episode 086 | Near-Death Experience Story
Peter Panagore was 21, a lifelong outdoorsman, and hours behind schedule on an ice climb in British Columbia when, he says, the cold closed in and he left his body. In this Divine Encounters episode he tells Alex Ferrari what he says happened next: a star that rushed toward him, a light being he had known since childhood, a waterfall of light, and a voice that called him by his true name. The conversation explores how one night on a mountain became an encounter with love on a scale he says words cannot hold.
Key Takeaways
- Peter says he was 21 and on an ice climb in British Columbia when hypothermia took him past tunnel vision into an opening of infinite darkness.
- He describes a tiny star that rushed toward him and spoke without language, then drew him inside a light being he says he had met in childhood.
- He says he felt no pain, felt separate from his body, and understood himself as a vast sphere of consciousness.
- Peter describes a life review in which he felt, from the inside, the pain he had given other people up to age 21, and was told it was not his fault.
- He says he was shown that his soul is far larger and older than the lives he has lived, like a butcher block table made of thin glued strips.
- He describes a moment of choice: he said he could not take another child from his parents, and was then shown the whole Earth from above.
- His closing understanding, in his words, is that every person carries the same gold light, and that love is who we are.
| Guest | Peter Panagore |
| Episode | Divine Encounters 086 |
| Age at the time | 21 |
| What Peter says happened | Severe cold and hypothermia on an ice climb in British Columbia led to the loss of tunnel vision and an out-of-body experience |
| Where he says he went | Infinite darkness, then a boundless space of light with a doorway like a waterfall |
| Who he met | A light being he says he knew from childhood, and a voice he understood as the creator |
| The message | He says he was told he is loved as he is, and that every soul carries the same gold light |
| Time away | Timeless, in his words |
Who Peter Was Before the Climb
Alex opens with a simple question: what was your life like before you died? Peter answers with the outdoors. He was a Boy Scout early on and stayed in scouting until he was 18, moving on to the Explorer Scouts. His family camped through the winter, and he has skied since he was seven. He was on the national ski patrol.
He says he loves backpacking and camping, and that he spent a lot of time out west in the Rockies, in Montana and in Wyoming. Rock climbing was familiar, both in the East and some in the West. Ice climbing was not. He had never done it.
A Plan, a Partner and a Borrowed Kit
Peter went to the outdoor club and found a man named Tim, who wanted to do an ice climb. Tim had just been certified as a lead climber and had a lot of winter wilderness experience. Together they planned to go backpacking on skis in British Columbia, living in snow caves for eight days, and to finish with the ice climb.
Peter is candid about the mistakes that began before the climb did. He had only one ice ax, and you need two. In place of the second he carried a hammer, which is significantly shorter and cannot be rested on the way an ice ax can. He also did not own all the gear. He borrowed and rented and begged around, even for the sleeping bag he used that week, and it was not a deep winter bag.
Falling Behind on the Ice
Because of the missing gear, Peter says he had to rest far more than every other climber. They were one team among several, and by halfway up they already knew they were in serious trouble. He simply could not go fast.
By the time the two of them sat at the top of the climb at sunset, legs dangling over a ledge, the other teams had descended five or six hundred feet and gone. The last team was already on its way out. They were hours and hours behind.
The Night the Temperature Fell
Then the sun went down. Peter says the temperature dropped like a curtain falling, thirty degrees colder in an instant. He had dressed well for the day, in a polypropylene undershirt, a long sleeve, a net layer, a turtleneck, a sweater and a shell. But he had been sweating, and ice had been falling down his neck, so he was wet beneath the shell.
The shivers that followed were violent. He describes every muscle acting like an independent piston, firing at its own rate, his jaw clattering. He says his eyeballs started to freeze, and that deep cold feels like putting your hand in a fireplace. Like being on fire.
Tim hauled the rope up too fast and it tangled into a big knot. Peter had to take his gloves off to untangle it, working by feel in the dark. He says he is very tactile, and he got it sorted. But then came the conversation neither of them wanted. They talked about survivability, and they knew they were going to die. At 21, Peter says, the rush of emotion cannot be encapsulated in words.
Death Coming Closer, Step by Step
They were thousands of feet of mountain above safety, and they realized fast that they did not have enough body heat between them to last two hours, let alone the night. The fear grew all night long. Peter says the colder he got, the closer he came to death. First it was an arm’s length away, then nearer, then nearer still.
On their last rappel, the rope got stuck. Peter says he went through the final stages of hypothermia. When sleep came it was like a light switch shutting off; he would collapse against the rock, wake, and stand again, clipped into the mountain so he would not fall. The last time he stood, he got tunnel vision, which he calls the very last thing that happens. The field narrowed and closed. He did not black out. Instead, he says, he became somehow more awake.
The Opening of Infinite Darkness and the Star
Peter describes it this way: “where the mountain should have been, there was an opening of infinite darkness.” He says he was no longer in pain. He felt separated from his body, still connected to it somehow, but it was no longer him.
Far away, he says, farther than the thirteen billion light years he uses as a measure, a tiny star appeared and rushed toward him faster than the speed of light. As it came, it spoke to him, not in language but in direct communication of information, a block that was also a constant flow. Its message, as he puts it, was that it was taking him, and it carried a power greater than anything he had imagined.
Peter says he resisted. All the willpower he had carved inside himself through the night, the survive, survive, survive that he describes as coded deep in humanness, rose up like a wall. Then he was pulled out of himself, and he says all of his resistance evaporated.
Inside the Angel, Then Inside the Infinite
Peter describes being inside the entity and also seeing himself inside it, a paradox he says only metaphor can hold. He calls it an angel, a light being, an energy intelligence, and says he knew it because he had met it in his childhood. He felt comfort, beauty, love and welcome. He had no agency left, and he could see out through the orb into the vast dark and sense how fast they were going.
They reached the place the star came from, and he found himself in an infinite space where he could see in every direction at once. Peter says he understood that he himself was a sphere of consciousness, ginormous beside his human body, where seeing, thinking and understanding were his very self. He stresses that this was not only the calm of the eternal now that meditators describe. It was all time that ever existed, flowing in every direction like waveforms. If you are curious how people describe states like this, our glossary entry on consciousness is a gentle starting point.
The Waterfall of Light and a Name Called
A doorway of light appeared, as big as Peter was and much bigger, with a pull to it. He now describes it as a waterfall of light, holding ten zillion colors that are all white and all colored at once. The surface looked pearlescent, like fish scales, and he could see its depth and see through it at the same time. It led into the infinite.
Peter says he reached toward it with his whole beingness, though he had no hands, and as he touched it, it filled him with all life, a capital L, the creator of all life. Not only Earth or the galaxy. Something far bigger. Then he heard his name called, and it was not Peter. It was, he says, the essence of the origin of his created being. He understood, in his words, “I am creator. You are a creature.” And he knew he was known.
Utterly Known: The Life Review
Peter says he was suddenly naked in a way he had never been, with no hiding spots left in the Peter he had carried. Burning love saw every part of him. What came next he calls a hell, though not the hell. He suffered, from the inside, all the pain he had given away from birth to age 21. He was not reading it like a book. He was in the other person as they experienced it, and in himself giving it, feeling the flood of anger, hurt, tears and confusion.
He judged himself guilty and ashamed. Then, listening with what he calls the ear of the heart, he saw all of humanity carrying the same brokenness, which he describes as coded into the way the universe functions. The message he received was that it was not his fault, and that he was loved as he was, because he was made. As he turned toward that love, he says, his suffering evaporated.
Many people who describe a review like this stress the same shift, from judgment to love. For background on how experiencers talk about it, see the glossary entry on life review.
The Butcher Block Table: Seeing the Size of a Soul
Filled now, Peter says he grew larger and larger as more infinity poured in: love, beauty, joy, adoration, awe, understanding, peace, bliss, paradise and light. He was shown the origin of himself as eternal nature and also created nature. And he was turned to see the size of his soul, which he calls ginormous beside the individual lives he has lived.
He offers an image. Picture a butcher block table. His soul is the wood, and the lives he has lived are the thin glued strips between the blocks, minuscule against the whole. His soul, he says, is eons old. He was allowed to see inside two of his lives, one human and one not, in a place he had no frame of reference for and which was not here.
A Choice, a Sister and the View of Earth
Coming back to himself a little, Peter asked whether he was dead. The voice said yes. He said he could not die now. The voice, which he describes as the entire space and also right next to him and inside him, asked why he could not come. It was, the voice said, his time to come to them.
Peter explained that his parents were suffering. His sister had run away when he was 14, and he says it broke his mother, his father and the family; it was as if she had died, but with no way to grieve. He said he could not take another child from his parents.
In that instant he was moved across heaven to a place he compares to the Higgs boson field, where he felt his consciousness poking out of heaven where energy becomes matter. He saw the entire universe at once, then our galaxy, our star system, and Earth in a single sweep, like a hologram. He saw seven billion people alive in real time, with wars and floods and tornadoes and babies being born. He describes Earth wrapped in a foam of veils that every human being moved through as if it were not there.
The Gold Light in Every Soul
What Peter says he could see through the veils was this: inside the soul of every single human being is a divine, photonic gold light, the same as his own, sparkling. They are exactly as I am, he says. Then universes upon universes spilled into him, showing the immensity of love, far greater in size, quantity and quality than he can say.
As it filled him, he heard “I have always loved you. I always will love you.” He says that healing, wholeness, well-being and the end of suffering all felt like facets of love, and that he understood the eternal heart to be who we are.
Where This Fits Among Near-Death Experiences
People who describe near-death experiences often mention a few recurring things: separation from the body, a sense of timelessness, a being of light, a review of life and a sense of being known and loved. Peter’s account touches nearly all of them, and also stands out for its scale, from a single ledge on a mountain to the whole universe and back to one sister who ran away. If you would like the wider picture, begin with our complete guide to near-death experiences and the short entry on near-death experience.
Notice, too, how Peter keeps naming the limits of language. He says the experience was in metaphor because it was full of paradox, and he tries several images, a star, a waterfall, a table. That honesty is a good way to hold any account like this. Take what resonates. Leave what does not.
A Grounded Way to Listen
The practical thread in Peter’s story is plainer than the cosmic one. Bad preparation, missing gear and a long, slow day stacked up into a night that nearly ended everything. Then, in his telling, the deepest thing he met was not judgment but a love that stayed with him through the hardest part of the review. You do not need to climb anything to try that on. Next time you notice self-blame, you might ask what it would sound like if the voice speaking to you were kind.
Questions to Sit With
- Peter says he felt known with nowhere to hide, and then loved anyway. Where in your life do you still hide parts of yourself?
- He felt the pain he had caused from the other side. What would it change to forgive yourself for something that still stings?
- Peter says his sister’s leaving broke his family without any way to grieve. Is there a loss in your family that never got its moment?
This week, write down one thing you regret, then write one sentence to yourself the way a loving voice might answer. Read it out loud once.
Spiritual Takeaways
- Peter says he was shown that he is far larger and older than any one lifetime, like thin strips in a very large butcher block table.
- He describes being told that causing pain was not his fault, and that he was loved as he was.
- He says the same gold light shines inside every human being.
- He says he felt the pain he caused from the inside, and describes that as a way love teaches without condemning.
- In his words, healing, wholeness and well-being are aspects of love, and the eternal heart is who we are.
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Frequently Asked Questions
Who is Peter Panagore?
Peter Panagore is a near-death experiencer who was 21 and climbing in British Columbia when, he says, severe cold took him out of his body. He tells his story to Alex Ferrari on this Divine Encounters episode.
What happened to Peter Panagore on the mountain?
Peter says he fell behind on an ice climb with a partner named Tim, was wet and underequipped as the temperature fell thirty degrees at sunset, and went through the final stages of hypothermia. He says his vision tunneled and closed, and he then found himself in infinite darkness.
What mistakes did Peter say contributed to the danger?
He says he had only one ice ax and used a hammer in place of the second, borrowed much of his gear, and had a sleeping bag that was not meant for deep winter. He also says the rope was hauled up too fast and tangled.
What was the star Peter describes?
Peter says a tiny star appeared in the distance and rushed toward him, communicating without language. He says it carried great power and that he came to understand it as an angel, a light being he says he had met in childhood.
What does Peter say the waterfall of light was?
He describes a doorway of light as big as he was and much bigger, like a waterfall with ten zillion colors that were all white. He says reaching toward it filled him with all life.
What did Peter experience in his life review?
He says he felt, from the inside, the pain he had given others from birth to age 21, and felt guilty and ashamed. He says he was then told it was not his fault and that he was loved as he was, and his suffering evaporated.
What did Peter say about his soul?
Peter says his soul is enormous compared with any lifetime, and compares his lives to thin glued strips in a butcher block table. He says his soul is eons old.
Why did Peter say he could not go?
He says he told the voice that his parents were suffering, because his sister had run away when he was 14, and he could not take another child from them.
What did Peter see when he looked at Earth?
He says he saw the entire universe, then Earth like a hologram with seven billion people alive in real time, covered in a foam of veils, with a gold light inside every soul.
Is Peter’s story proof of an afterlife?
Next Level Soul shares near-death experiences as personal accounts in the guest’s own words. Researchers continue to study and debate them, and nothing here is medical advice or a medical claim.
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Alex Ferrari 0:00
Tell me what your life was like before you died.
Peter Panagore 0:08
I was a boy scout from early on, and we winter camped, and I skied since I was seven years old, and so I was on the national ski patrol, and I was at a Boy Scout until I was 18. So I did the Explorer Scouts because I love backpacking and camping. And that particular year, I spent a lot of time in the wilderness out west in the Rockies, and then Montana Wyoming. And so I kind of, I'm oriented outdoors, but I never, I'd never ice climbed. I had rock climb. We have climbing here in the East. I did some climbing in the West. And so I went to the outdoor club, and I found this guy, and he wanted to do an ice climb, but I'd never done ice climbing, but he had just gotten certified as a lead climber, and he had a lot of wilderness experience in the winter. And so we decided that we would go backpacking on skis, living in snow caves for eight days, and finish up with ice climbing. We went into British Columbia to go on our snow caving. Well, I make a mistake before I even begin my climb. And my mistake that I before I began the climb was that I had only one ice ax, and you have to have two. And so instead of two ice axes, I had a hammer, and a hammer is significantly shorter, and you can't rest on it an ice ax. You can plant in the ice, and there's a strap that you can you put around your wrist and run a bead down, and you can let go. So to begin with, by agreement also, and I didn't have all the gear. I borrowed in rented gear. I begged around, even my sleeping bag that I was using that week. I didn't have a deep, deep, deep winter bag. I had to borrow that too. So what this meant was, is that I had to rest a lot more than every single other climber on the climb, because we were one team of several, and that meant that by the time we reached even halfway up, we already knew we were in serious trouble, because I just couldn't go fast. So by the time we reached the top of our climb, all the other teams had descended five, 600 feet and left. They're on the way out. The last team was on the way out when we finally sat down at the top of our climb at sunset, so we're hours and hours behind. And so we were in that circumstance, and we're sitting up on top of this ledge with our legs dangling over, and the sun goes down and the temperature drops like a curtain falls boom, and it's 30 degrees colder than it was. So temperature wise in the climb, I was wearing a polypropylene undershirt and long sleeve and a like, a net thing underneath that, and a sweater, a turtleneck and a sweater and a shell. I was just right all day, but I was also sweating and ice was falling down my neck, so I was wet underneath my shell, and so we got immediate shivers. Not like, Oh, I'm shivering and I'm cold, more like violent, like every muscle in my body was it's in, was an independent piston, all firing at its own rate. My jaw was clattering. My cheeks were every every part of me was just this a shutter, and Tim was in the same situation over the night time. My eyeballs started to freeze. This is like deep, deep cold, and it feels like putting your hand in a fireplace, it's like you're on fire. So we're we haul the rope up. Tim hauls the rope up. The sun's down. We're shivering. He he'd hauled it up too fast. So we had a series of mistakes. He hauled up the rope too fast. It became a big knot. I had to take my gloves off in order to sort it. I live in the in winter land, and every single day in the winter, I wear gloves. I wear a mask. So if I go outside in the wintertime, I gotta cover up everything. And so I took my gloves off, I untangled this thing in the dark. Sun goes down, I can feel rope. I'm good at I'm very tactile. And so I could untangle this thing without really seeing what I was doing. But we had this conversation about survivability. We knew we were going to die. Doesn't encapsulate what the rush of emotions and realization was inside of us at 21 years old, it's still like 8000 9000 feet above us. We're not even that far up the mountain. We're just up this climb, and we realized pretty fast we would not survive, that we didn't have enough body heat between us to last two hours, let alone the night. The fear grew all night long. The colder I got, the closer I came to death. Death was like this far from me. It was like this far from me. And every step of the way, it got closer and closer and closer. We were on our last repel. The rope was stuck. I went through the final stages of hypothermia and the very last one, but when I would fall asleep, it would be like a shut off of a light switch, and I would collapse and hit the rock and wake up. I was strapped into the mountain. At this point. I was attached to the mountain so I wouldn't fall. And so then I would stand up, and I and this last time that I stood up, I got tunnel vision, which is the last, the very last thing that happens. And so tunnel vision collapsed, and as it went black, and I was confused. I was just like, What is this thing? And everywhere I look, I see this narrowing of the field of my vision. And then when it closed, I didn't black out. It just I became somehow more awake, and I didn't know what was going on. I where the mountain should have been, there was an opening of infinite darkness, and instead of feeling pain, that's what I was, I'm not in pain anymore. There's no pain. And I am. Feel like I am separated from my body. I'm somehow. Still connected to it, but I'm not really it wasn't me anymore. I am looking out into this infinite darkness and way, far, extremely, far further than you know, the size of the universe is 13 billion light years like that far away, there's a tiny star appears, and this tiny star rushes toward me at faster than the speed of light covers this distance, and as it rushes toward me, it speaks to me, but it's not in language, it's in direct non linguistic communication of information in a block. But it wasn't just a block. It was a constant flow. But all the information came in at once, and then it just kept coming, and it spoke to me, and it said inside of me, I'm taking you. I'm taking you. But it came that I'm taking you came with power. I can't describe to you how powerful, more powerful than anything I'd ever imagined before. It's so powerful. Its power filled the entire space I was in. Its intelligence was immense. And all of this was communicated to me, and I put up resistance against it. All this willpower I had carved inside myself throughout the night, carved found inside of me like this genetic thing, way down inside my humanness, survive. Survive, survive. I put up my wall to survive. I was then pulled from myself, and all of my resistance evaporated. All these things happened at once. This is all in timelessness, and all of it's in metaphor, because, because it's full of paradox, I am inside of this entity, but I also can see myself inside of this entity. And so I'm inside of this entity, the angel, the angel, I know this light being, this energy intelligence, because I'd met it before in my childhood. And so I'm now in comfort, and it's speaking to me comfort and beauty and love and welcome. And I have no agency left. And I can see out through this orb of energy, this angel of being, this intelligence, into this vast darkness. And I can see how fast we're going, and then we reach the end or the beginning where it came from, and it either expands into this eternal nature, or I pop into this eternal nature. But somehow these eternal nature, in this contained entity of energy is somehow they're similar. They communicate. This is part of that. So I'm now inside this infinite space, and in this infinite space, I can see in every direction at once. And every direction is infinite darkness. And I can see far into the darkness because there's some kind of luminosity to it. So it's a darkness that has light and way far away from me in infinity, I can't see the beginning of it as I view this and realize that this is me, that I am this energy, this orb of consciousness, where my seeing is, my thinking is my self, understanding is who I am and what I am, and I'd never been Peter, and I'm ginormous. I am so much bigger than my human body, and I'm like a big sphere of consciousness, of divine energy. But I'm in timelessness, and it's not like just the eternal Now, if you meditate and you drop into that place of silence where the mind stops thinking, and you're in that place of dark peace, it's beautiful, only it's not just that kind of timelessness. It's all time that ever existed in every direction, inverted, upside down, reversed, flowing like wave forms. It's all there. I'm this entity. And this portal, this light appears, this doorway of light. It's as big as I am. It's much bigger. It calls to me. It has an energy of attraction to it. And it's like, I describe it in all these different ways. I describe it now these days, I'm talking about it as a waterfall. It's like a waterfall of light, and it has 10 zillion colors in it of every hue and tone, and all these colors, and they're all white, and they're all colored all at the same time. And it's so beautiful. And I can see the surface of it. It's pearlescent, like fish scales shining, and it's flowing. And I can see the depth of it. I can see that has a substance to it. So I see the surface, I see the depth, and I see through it. At the same time, it leads into the infinite. It's like another tunnel, but this tunnel leads into the infinite that was beyond my sight. I am compelled. I feel this desire of the most beautiful thing, and I reach for it with my entity, with my own beingness. I don't have any hands, but I have this some agency, and I reach toward it, and as I touch it, it in fills me with all life, a capital L, creator of all life. And it just is an earth, and it just is in our galaxy. And it wasn't just the universe. It was so much bigger than that. It was all life everywhere. It's the energy that pervades the divine presence inside of everything, all this love and light comes flowing into me, and as it comes into me, I hear my name called. It's not Peter. It's the essence of the origin of my created being. I know in that moment, it says to me, I am creator. You are a creature. It says to me, and I know that I'm known. I'm. Suddenly utterly naked, and now I'm somehow more like Peter, and I have no hiding spots inside of this Peter that I carried with me. And now there's this this burning love that's with seeing every part of me. And I go through a hell of I go through hell, but not the hell. I go through a hell where I suffer all of the pain that I gave away in my life as Peter, up until I was 21 from the moment of my birth, to every single person and every single incident only. I'm not viewing it like or reading it in a book. I'm in that person as they experience it, and I'm in myself Peter as I give it to them, whatever it is, and I feel the wash of emotions, of the flood of anger or hurt or tears or confusion, why are you doing this? And so I had this I judged myself as guilty of causing this suffering and this pain, and I was ashamed of causing and as I listened with the ear of my heart to the love that was being spoken. I saw all of humanity, and I saw all of the what Christians call sinful nature, the brokenness of our causing pain to other people. We all had the same level of universal brokenness that was coded into the way the universe functions. And so I got this communication was I know that you caused this suffering. It's not your fault. I love you as you are. I made you, and as I turned toward it, all of my suffering evaporated. I became immense, I expanded. I was filled with love, beauty, joy, adoration, awe, understanding, knowledge of the universe, peace, bliss, Paradise and light. And it was more and more and more and more. And I just kept getting bigger and bigger as more of this infinity poured inside of me. So this name that I hear called, I see the origin of myself. I am eternal nature, and I am created nature in my consciousness. But when I see the size of my soul, I get turned and my size of my soul is ginormous in comparison to the individual lives I have lived, where we're living because of timelessness. I see the length of my nature. I see that I'm created. I see the origin is eons old. I see individual like I'm sitting at a butcher block table, and it's like myself is the wood, and the lives I lived are the thin, glued strips in between. They're minuscule in comparison to the actuality of my soul. And I get to see inside. I saw inside two of my lies, and one was human and one wasn't. I don't know where I was. I had no frame of reference for this place, but it wasn't here. I understood myself to be loved beyond and then I sort of came back to myself a little bit more, and I said, Am I dead? And the voice said, yes, you're dead. And I said, I can't die now. And the voice said, why? And the voice is the entire space I'm in, and it's also right next to me, but I can't see it, and it's inside of me speaking to me. It the whole thing is one big vibrational voice, but it's very intimate, and it says to me, why can't you come? It's your time come to us. I say, Well, my parents are suffering. My sister had run away when I was 14. It broke my mama, my mom and my dad and my family. It was as if she died, but there was no way to grieve. And I said I couldn't take another child from my parents, and in that instant, I was moved across heaven to this place where, like, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Higgs boson field, so it's like I'm kind of poking out of heaven, like my consciousness is sticking out into the kind of the Higgs boson where energy becomes matter. And I can see the entire universe. I see all of our universe, all at once, all septillion galaxies, and I am then brought down to our galaxy and brought down to our star system. And I see Earth like in this one sweep. And then on Earth is like a hologram. And I see 7 billion people alive. They're really them in live time living Where's wars and floods and tornadoes and babies being born. Everything on you on earth is going on. And I see Earth is covered in this big, huge foam like veils, you could say, but it seemed like it was foam to me, and every human being was moving through it as if the foam wasn't there and they couldn't see. What I could see and what I could see was, inside of the soul of every single human being is this divine photonic light, gold light, the same as me, sparkling like gold. They are exactly as I am. And when that voice said that to me, universes upon universes upon times upon times spill out into me of showing me the immensity of eternal nature of love. It is so far greater in size and quantity and quality than I can possibly say, but as it filled into me, I have always loved you. I always will love you. So I was healed and whole and well and the end of suffering, all these things are like aspects or facets of love. So I'm completely in healing. I'm completely in wholeness. I'm in well being. And I understand that this eternal. Heart is who we are.
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