Divine Encounters Episode 084 | Near-Death Experience Story
Susan Dyer says she has seen spiritual presences since she was a small child, and that for years she was terrified of them and ashamed of what she saw. In this Divine Encounters episode she tells Alex Ferrari about a night, during a serious illness, when she says her guides told her she had one more chance, and what she says happened when she left her body through a charcoal gray portal into the void and into the presence of God.
Key Takeaways
- Susan says she has been clairvoyant since childhood, and that a deep red presence she feared as the devil was later understood to be Archangel Michael.
- She says her parents did not believe what she saw, and that by kindergarten she had learned to hide it and believed something was wrong with her.
- She describes a night during a serious illness when she felt she was about to die, and was told by her guides, “you have one more chance.”
- Susan says her guides taught her how to leave her body on command, and that she went through a charcoal gray portal into what many call the void.
- She describes the void as “black, wet velvet,” and God as both the receptive, womb-like darkness and blazing rays of light.
- She says she was asked whether she wanted to stay or go back, and that she chose her sons.
- Her message: you are always connected, and God is “like a radio station with one song, just love, freedom, unconditional.”
| Guest | Susan Dyer |
| Episode | Divine Encounters 084 |
| Background | Clairvoyant since childhood, raised in a church-going family |
| What Susan says happened | During a serious illness, she left her body on instruction from her guides |
| Where she says she went | A charcoal gray portal, then the void, then blazing light |
| Who she met | Her spirit guides, and God; years earlier, Archangel Michael |
| The choice | Stay, or go back home |
| The message | “Just remember, you’re always connected.” |
Who Is Susan Dyer?
Susan says that a couple of months before this conversation, she was sitting at home when Joan of Arc’s head popped up like a balloon on her left. She never knows who is going to come through. It is a normal thing for her now. It was not always.
As a child, she was terrified. She says that when you are a kid, the only resources you have to make sense of yourself are your parents. Susan was seeing things she did not understand, and she had no way to explain them.
The Red Presence
When she was little, Susan says, she saw a very deep red that she could not see through. She says that is rare, even in her clairvoyance. She explains that in a few events in her life, what she sees becomes the world she is in at that moment, even though you would still see her sitting in her chair. One of these presences was crimson, opaque and followed her every day.
Because of church, she thought it was the devil. She had no other way to interpret it. At night, she says, it was like a movie theater with the lights turned off. A portal would open at the head of her bed. A being would stand there observing her. She did not know it then, but archangels and angels were everywhere, diving around and going through walls. She was terrified.
Every night she went into her parents’ room crying and told her father what she was seeing. He told her, “you’re not seeing what you’re seeing.” She had an overactive imagination, he said, and should go to bed. Her parents did not believe her, and she was sure the devil was following her.
Hiding What She Saw
By kindergarten, Susan says, she knew to stop talking about it and pretend it was not true. Because of the reactions she got, and how she interpreted them, she says she hated herself by then. She believed something was deeply wrong with her, something broken, and that she was somehow bad.
Years later she learned the red presence was Archangel Michael, showing up in the traditional root chakra color. She says that Archangel Michael “loves taking care of and watching over extra sensory children.” For short introductions, see our glossary entries on Archangel Michael and clairvoyance.
But the feeling stayed. It calcified, she says, into a belief that she was not lovable. She felt she had no worth. She married a man she knew did not even like her, because her self worth was so damaged that she believed no other man would ever have her. She says that if you look at the facts of her life, they are pretty lonely, and she thinks many people like her have a hard time.
When Her Body Followed Her Mind
After the divorce, Susan says her body followed her mind. She crashed. A chronic illness she names as Lyme disease came out of remission, and she was incredibly sick. She used a walker with tennis balls on it. She had a port in her arm and a fanny pack for the medication she took each day. Her right hand and foot were paralyzed, and she was in a great deal of pain.
She would make sandwiches for her children while lying on the floor, and army crawl across it. Her friends told her she was about to die. She said she was not. But one night, she knew she was, and she says she felt elated. Her children were with their father. She was very quiet. She wanted her friends to leave, and they would not.
“You Have One More Chance”
She started crawling upstairs to her room. Then she says her guides hit her with something that felt like a spit ball. They told her, “you have one more chance.” And then, “You have to get out of your body tonight.” They did not say anything else.
Susan says she thought about her sons being raised by their father alone, without her influence. She believes she signed up to help guide those children. They need the balance of two personalities. So she agreed to try. Even though she did not know how to astral travel on command, she says she has been astral traveling her whole life, that it was fun and she felt safe. She asked her guides how, and they told her exactly what to do. For an overview, see our entry on astral projection.
The Edge of the Bed
The instruction was to lie on the very edge of the bed, because there is a tipping point as we fall asleep. At the right moment, they told her to roll off, and she did.
She says she wondered what would happen if she just sat there, since she was still going to die. But she reminds us that we are more than we know. “I’m Susan Dyer,” she says, but 99 percent of us is anchored in dimensions we cannot see or feel, and we cannot be disconnected, because we are one. Even when you feel alone, “Just remember, you’re always connected.” She adds that emotions are never fact.
The Charcoal Gray Portal
Rolling out of her body made her understand all the colored portals that used to show up by her head as a child. She had been making them herself, to go places. She thought weird creatures would come through them.
This time, the portal was different: black and gray, charcoal, like a pipe. She says it looked terrible, like something out of a horror show, and she did not want to go in. But she understood she was supposed to. She had to angle her astral body into the tube, and she went very fast, with no music and no light.
The Void
Then, boom, she was in a place many call the void. Her biggest fear in life had been the dark, she says. The void was “black, wet velvet, no sound, no noise, no other beings,” eternal and infinite. She describes it as essentially God, the feminine, receptive, womb-like aspect of God energy, a kind of canvas for what God will paint next. She closed her astral eyes. There is no time in other dimensions.
She then found herself in what she calls the masculine energy of God, which appeared as blazing rays of light. She says she used to think God was simply the energy that makes things, but her experience showed her otherwise. “God knew me better than my best friend.” They exchanged thoughts without speaking.
What She Says She Understood About God
Floating in the rays, like a tea bag in water, she says she realized she was one with God. She did not feel like God’s child, and she says she saw Jesus as one with God too. She uses an image: she was “a two pronged plug, plugging into the outlet.”
There is no punishment, she says, and God does not stand in judgment over what you did. God is “like a radio station with one song, just love, freedom, unconditional.” Because we are God, she says, God knows us from the inside. If we do something, then what we feel about it is our own reaction and decision. Our entry on oneness offers more on this idea.
Stay or Go Back Home
Right away, Susan says, God asked her whether she wanted to stay or “go back home.” She manifested an IMAX sized photo of her two boys and said she wanted to stay with them. To show she meant it, she began to pull on her silver cord hand over hand, wondering whether it might take years.
Nothing was spoken, she says, but God believed her. She promised, “I will live transparently.” She knew intuitively that this transparency was meant to help other women.
Waking Up
When she woke, it was light out. She says she looked at her cane and knew she would never need it again. She hopped out of bed on both feet, without hesitation. It was pretty shocking for everybody. Her hematologist was thrown off guard, she says. She was about to begin a treatment for high iron in her blood. She was feeling a bit sassy, and she told him that she had a near-death experience and was well with Jesus.
She talks about everything with complete honesty now, which is her transparency. She knows how it sounds, she says, but she is well educated, cultured and has been around the world.
Two years later, she says, she was channeling Jesus, and he told her he was there for the ride, as a best friend or a teddy bear, to get her out of the fray of this dimension so she could remember who and what she really is. In that remembrance, she says, everything else follows. To be clear, we share her account as she tells it, with no medical claims.
Susan’s Story Beside Other Near-Death Accounts
Leaving the body, passing through a tunnel-like portal, encountering darkness and light, and being offered a choice to return are all themes that people report. Susan’s account includes many of them. Her story is also unusual because it begins with a lifetime of seeing, and because her return was an answer to a promise. Our complete guide to near-death experiences gives wider context, along with the entry on spirit guides.
Remembering You Are Connected
Susan’s simple reminder is worth practicing. When you feel alone, put a hand on your chest, breathe slowly and say to yourself, I am always connected. Emotions are not facts. Let this one pass.
Questions to Sit With
- Susan hid what she saw because the reactions around her taught her it was wrong. What have you hidden about yourself?
- She says emotions are never fact. Which feeling could you hold more lightly this week?
- What promise would you make if you were asked to live transparently?
Tell one trusted person something true about yourself that you have been keeping quiet.
Spiritual Takeaways
- Susan says we are always connected, even when we feel alone.
- She describes the void as the receptive, womb-like face of God.
- She says there is no punishment, and God is love, freedom and acceptance.
- She says what scared her most as a child was actually protection.
- She says to live transparently is to help others.
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Frequently Asked Questions
Who is Susan Dyer?
Susan Dyer is a clairvoyant and near-death experiencer. She tells her story on Divine Encounters with host Alex Ferrari.
What was the red presence Susan saw as a child?
She says it was deep crimson and followed her every day. She feared it was the devil, but later learned it was Archangel Michael, showing up in the root chakra color.
What happened the night of Susan Dyer’s near-death experience?
She says she felt she was about to die during a serious illness. Her guides told her she had one more chance, and she says they taught her how to leave her body.
What was the charcoal gray portal?
Susan says it looked like a dark, pipe-like tunnel of black and gray. She says it frightened her, but she angled her astral body into it and was carried to the void.
What does Susan say the void is?
She describes it as black, wet velvet with no sound or other beings, and as the receptive, womb-like face of God, like a canvas for what is painted next.
What did Susan learn about God?
She says God is like a radio station with one song, just love, freedom, unconditional. She says there is no punishment and that she realized she was one with God.
Why did Susan return?
She says she was asked whether she wanted to stay or go back home. She chose to return for her two sons.
What did Susan promise?
She says she promised to live transparently, which she understood to mean speaking truthfully so she could help other women.
What happened when Susan woke?
She says it was light out, and she knew right away she would not need her cane. She stood up on both feet. She also told her hematologist about the experience.
What did Susan say Jesus told her?
Two years later, she says, while channeling Jesus, she was told that he was there for the ride, like a best friend, to help her remember who she really is.
Is a near-death experience medical evidence?
Next Level Soul shares near-death experiences as lived experiences in the person’s own words. Researchers continue to study and debate what they mean. Nothing here is medical advice or a medical claim.
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Follow Along with the Transcript
Alex Ferrari 0:00
Tell me what your life was like before you died.
Susan Dyer 0:08
A couple months ago, I was sitting here and Joan of Arc head popped up like a balloon, like to my left, like I never know who's gonna come through. But when I was a kid, I was terrified. I didn't understand anything I was seeing. And when you're a kid, the only resources you have to make sense of yourself Are your parents. And for me, as a child, like I was seeing a red, a very deep red, I actually couldn't see through it. And that's very rare. Like, I there's been a handful of events that have happened to me where, in my clairvoyance, where, like, I literally, I can't see through it, like it is the world I'm in in that moment, even though you would still see me sitting in this chair, I would be looking at something like it's flesh and blood and communicating. And so one of these spiritual presences was this, like crimson colored, opaque thing, and it followed me all the time, as a child, every day. And because of of church, I thought this presence was the devil. I had no other way to interpret it, and so like started my I think therapists call it your core wound. So I would go into my parents' room every night crying, telling my father what I was seeing in my bedroom. It's just like a movie theater. When you turn the lights off, it makes everything just all the more visible. And so at night, there'd be a portal at the head of my bed. There would be a being observing me standing by my bed there. I didn't know this at the time, but like archangels and angels were just everywhere, like diving around, splashing around, going through walls, but I was terrified, and so my dad just told me, every night, you're not seeing what you're seeing. You have an overactive imagination, go to bed. My parents didn't believe me, and the devil was following me. I knew to hit to like I had hid my clairvoyance, I knew to stop talking about it and pretend as if it wasn't true by kindergarten, I knew it was very obvious, and also because of the reactions I got and because of how I interpreted those reactions, I hated myself by kindergarten, I was like, something is deeply wrong, something's broken, and because of the devil presence, I thought, and somehow I'm bad. And I found out later that was Archangel Michael. He was presenting as the traditional root chakra color. We have certain energy, I would say portals. They're actually portals, like of the classic seven chakras. There we have so many chakras. So Archangel Michael actually really loves taking care of and watching over extra sensory children. So that was Archangel Michael, but the feeling of hating myself and knowing I was weird and bad continued, and it kind of calcified into I'm not lovable, and I truly felt that way. I felt I had no worth, and I married a man who I knew didn't even like me. I knew he not even like but I was so down. My self worth was so damaged. By that point, I was like, if I don't marry him, no other man will ever have me, and I'll be alone again. And if you look at the facts of my life like they are pretty lonely, and I think a lot of people like me have a difficult time. So the divorce happened, and my body followed my mind. I crashed, and chronic Lyme disease, just like, raged out of remission, and I was incredibly sick. I had a walker with like, you know, tennis balls on it. I was like, I had a port in my arm and a fanny pack and, like, I was doing, like, two balls of antibiotics into that port. Day, my hand and foot, my right hand and foot were paralyzed. I was in excruciating it hurt so much my my friends kept telling me, You're about to die. I was like, I'm not. I'm not. But the one night, I knew I was and I was so happy, I would, like, leave peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on the floor for my kids, and then go back to the couch. I would make them laying down on the floor because, like, I would have to, like, army crawl. And one night, I was like. Oh, my God, I am gonna die. It is tonight, and I was so quiet, and I just laid there, and my kids were with their dad, and I wanted, I just wanted my friends to leave, they wouldn't. And I felt elated. And so I started crawling upstairs to my room and my guides, I felt like they hit me with a spit ball. That's literally what it felt like. And I was like, Oh my God, what? And they were like, you have one more chance. You have to get out of your body tonight. And they didn't say anything else. But I was like, Oh, okay. Because honestly, I wanted the thought of my kids being like, raised by their father alone, without my influence, I know that I signed up to help guide these children. They need the balance of our personalities or they're really going to suffer. So they gave me another chance. They didn't say anything. I climbed the rest of the stairs thinking, Okay, I'll try it, but I don't know how to astral travel on command. I've been astral traveling my whole life. It was fun. I felt safe. And I was like, I loved it when I was like, climbing up into my bed, because I was like, you've got to tell me. I don't know how, but I'll do it. I'll try. They told me how to do it. They told me exactly what to do to astral travel on command. When I died, I laid along the edge of the bed. That's what they said to do. Lay literally on the edge. And there's a tipping point when we're trying to sleep. It's like, right in the middle. And in that moment, they told me to roll off the bed, and that's what I did then, like, Well, I'm just gonna be sitting here. Like, okay, I'm still gonna die. But my higher self, you know, I'm Susan Dyer, but 99% of us is anchored in dimensions that we can't even see or feel, and you cannot be disconnected, because we're one, and so even if you feel like I'm alone, I'm not getting any messages, I don't know what to do. Just remember, you're always connected. It's just your emotions, just emotions never fact. So when I rolled out of my bed, and this is weird, it made me understand all those portals that would show up by my head when I was little, and they're different color, portals. They scared the hell out of me. I didn't realize I was making them to go places. I thought weird creatures were gonna come in through them. When I got out of my body, there was the portal. This is like black, gray, black, gray portal. It looks like shit, like it looked like a tunnel. Actually. When I would do the portals, they would just look like a circle in the wall that, you know, you could go through. But this one looked like a pipe, and it was like charcoal gray and black. And I was like, that looks terrible. I don't go in there. Where's that thing gonna take me? It looks like, it's like, from a freaking horror show. So it was going so fast. I had no idea what it was or where it was going, but I obviously know, okay, I'm supposed to go into this charcoal thing. And I had to, like, kind of slide angle. I had to angle my astral body into the this tube.
Susan Dyer 8:23
And so I did no music, no light. I'm like, this is this is not cool. And then, boom, I was in a place called, a lot of people call it the void. And at that point, my biggest fear in life was the dark, because of all the things I've seen, you know, and so to end up in the void, which is like black, wet velvet, no sound, no noise, no other beings and eternal, infinite. That void is essentially like God. If you want to call that energy God, that boy is the feminine, receptive womb aspect of God energy. And you could kind of consider that space like the next Canvas God's going to paint. It literally is like the womb space. So just said I closed my astral eyes. There's no time in other dimensions. And then I was in the masculine energy of God, which presented like blazing rays of light. I thought God was really they before, like God is the energy that makes things, and that's incorrect. My experience showed that God knew me better than my best friend. We had this exchange without speaking, just by thought I realized when I was like, kind of like a tea bag floating like in those raids and having this exchange. Change with God, I realized, and this is gonna maybe sound weird, it's okay. I realized that I was God. I realized, like, I'm not God's child. Jesus wasn't God's Son. I realized it was like I was a two pronged plug, plugging into the outlet. There's no punishment, like you don't pass, and then God is like judging, like what you did. God is like a radio station with one song, just love, freedom, unconditional. God's just God. There's no reaction. But at the same time, because we are God, God knows us inside. Now, if we do something, it's our reaction, it's our decision. If we look back at how we spent our life, I was with God, and first thing God asked you, like he was like, you know, do you want to stay? Like, meeting with me, like, do you want to stay? Or do you want to, do you want to go back home? And I And so right away, I manifested a huge, like, IMAX sized photo of my two boys. And I was like, I want to stay and I wanted to, like, really show God that I meant it. And so I started pulling on my silver cord. We have so many energy lines through us. We do have a an etheric cord. And so I just started going hand over hand, and I was thinking, Oh, my God, where am I? Like, how long is this gonna take if I actually, like, just keep doing this, like, this could be, like, years. I don't know, like, where, you know, but anyway, God believed me, and we have all of this. No, nothing was spoken, and I promised God the word I said or thought I said, I promise I will live transparently. I knew intuitively that transparency was to the end of helping other women. And when I woke up, I sat up and it was light out, I looked at my cane, and I knew immediately that I was never going to need it again, and I just hopped out of bed on both feet without any hesitance. And it was pretty shocking for everybody, obviously, and my hematologist was really taken off guard. I was about to begin having my blood be chelated because there was so much iron in it. It's called hemochromatosis. It was like one of the many things that that was going on. And I was feeling a little bit sassy that day, so I told him, I was like, Well, really want to know I had a near death experience, and I'm healed with Jesus, and now I'm fine, so that's what I do now. With that transparency, I talk about everything absolutely truthfully, and I still feel so like, what's gonna happen? I mean, because I know how it sounds, but I'm well educated. I'm very cultured. I've been around the world. Two years later, when I was talking to Jesus. I was channeling him. He said, Susan, you need to realize I did nothing. You healed yourself. He said, I was there for the ride. I was there as a best friend or a teddy bear, but we needed to get you up and out of the fray of this dimension so that you could remember who and what you really are, and then healing myself in that remembrance would be not a problem at all.
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