Alex Ferrari 0:00
What is the true purpose behind the chaos that everyone seems to be seeing happening around the world?

Lee Carroll 0:05
Chaos is an old energy reflection of the way to settle it. But be aware that settling it is what you're asking about countries that have been enemies for decades and decades, holding hands, coming together, looking you in the eye, and saying, We got to stop this. So we are now in an energy that we've never been before, because we're off that track. So even ancients were on that track, and we are not anywhere near anything that's ever been before.

Monika Muranyi 0:41
We also have fear that we create. We're very good at creating fear for ourselves, and that's when we project into the unknown.

Alex Ferrari 0:52
Is there a timeline shift happening? And what determines which path we experience?

Lee Carroll 0:59
They will do things you've never seen before.

Alex Ferrari 1:12
I like to welcome back to the show returning champions, Lee Carroll and Monika Muranyi, how you doing guys?

Lee Carroll 1:18
We are great. I've never been called a champion.

Monika Muranyi 1:21
I know,

Alex Ferrari 1:26
Yes, you've been on the show a few times, and it's always a joy talking to you guys and talking to Kyron, obviously, and and, and a lot of the stuff that he was saying a few years ago. And I say he, for lack of a better word, but he, it's starting to come true in many ways

Lee Carroll 1:44
Funny how that is. And by the way, you can call Kryon a he, right? There is, there is no gender on the other side of the veil. And yet, we genderize everything because we're human, so, you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:56
Right! So, yeah, it's he.

Lee Carroll 2:00
I channel it, you know,

Alex Ferrari 2:02
It's, it's, yeah, it doesn't have the same connection,

Lee Carroll 2:04
No,

Alex Ferrari 2:07
And Kyron, Kryon, Kryon, Kryon. I'm and if I say Chiron, please forgive me, because I come from the old world of television where chirons would be coming up on the screen. Those were the look. And that just the Kyron always in my head. So please forgive me if I say it accidentally.

Lee Carroll 2:25
I come from the same place you do. You know exactly, so you know exactly what I'm talking about, talking about. So if all is forgiven,

Alex Ferrari 2:32
okay, appreciate it. Remind me Kryon. I mean, if what who Kryon is, is it it's a collective, or is it an individual?

Lee Carroll 2:41
It's hard to describe, except what would you say an angel was? That's how it feels. Okay, this entity, unlike some other channelers, has never been a human. It's not a group of a certain kind. It's always felt like angelic energy to me, but you pegged it. It's always a group, because angelic energy is a group even though we tend to make it singular, put skin and wings on it and give it a name, that's what we do. But and true, divine, angelic energy always has a group feel to it. You get many hugs,

Alex Ferrari 3:15
All right, fantastic. So my first question to you is, what is the most important thing humanity is not seeing clearly right now?

Lee Carroll 3:25
Humanity is not seeing clearly that we have passed a marker that is incredibly important to us. We're looking right now at what crime also predicted about this year, 2026, number of attributes, but mainly it's not seeing the fact we are actually coming out of the dark. And it's not something we made up. It's not something that's new age. Even the ancients gave a timing. I mean, it's all it's all part of what the the Mayans talked about and their calendar. It's there for us to see. It's a 36 year period. It's been very well documented that there was going to be trouble in the year 2000s I mean, even the church said so. And we have come to the actual end of that, and now we're starting to climb out of it. And this is very much what Kryon talked about when he came in in 1989 so we're looking at something that is actually very positive and very exciting. And most of the you know that we talked to just regular folks saying, what's going on to the planet? We've got another war. Here we go again. Is it going to be nuclear? Is it going to whatever, and not really seeing truly what's happening? Let me just give you there are many attributes of this year that Christ started talking about, actually, in December, and then started talking about this energy we're in is it's a cliche to say we're in newer energy. Is an energy we have never experienced before. Now that's that's profound. We're at a place we've never experienced before. One. Of the things that crime speaks about, that look forward to is the closure of things that have always simply hung out and not been closed. It's time to have a final dealing with things that are not settled. And then in February, we got the war. And if you take a look at what it is about. That's what it's about. It's it's very, very clear. People are fighting this too, in their own lives. They're starting to see closure on things that haven't been closed before, opening to new beginnings that haven't been there before. There's just a whole series of things that this energy is bringing forward. And people are very consumed. I would think of the negative. If I had any thing to say to your listeners, I'll say it yet again. I've said it on every single broadcast. Stop watching the news. It written. Go find it, because a written news is going to be from a journalist. I can guarantee it. It's not and on when you see it on TV, it's that's entertainment, and that's how they're selected, by the way, again, they got to sound right, look, right, act, right. But when you get a journalist who cares what they look like, that's their profession, you're going to get a better news from a journalist.

Alex Ferrari 6:15
Fair enough. Fair enough. Now, what is the biggest illusion people are living under today?

Lee Carroll 6:20
Oh, it's to me, it's the same one that we're going to hell in a has basket.

Alex Ferrari 6:25
And it's not true.

Lee Carroll 6:27
No, it is not true. And yet, if you watch the news, it is true. I mean that most of the most of the media has an agenda, and it's such a basic agenda that you'll laugh. They want you to buy stuff. I mean, there is no conspiracy here to grab you, you know, and put you in a box and control you as much it is to buy things. And that is what it is. It's always that way. And you can see it in every that's that's our culture, folks. So you can watch it on the media as well. They will, first of all, they bias themselves to one way or the other, so that a certain group will watch them more. And then they give you the the news in such a way that you want to continue tuning in, because you're always on the edge of your seat, and there's always bad stuff to hear, and it is on and on. That, unfortunately, has been the paradigm since I, since I got of what the news is. You know, has been but it's gotten a lot worse in these last few years.

Alex Ferrari 7:32
What kind of inner work is no longer an option for optional for the next phase of humanity, because a lot of times we keep pushing things away and pushing things away and like, oh, later I'll get to it. Later I get to it. What's not optional anymore?

Monika Muranyi 7:44
I think building on all the questions you were asking previously about what's up for humanity, what doesn't service anymore, what's the illusions? A lot of that is the illusion that we're here as victims, and that there is so think of the programming that comes from media with programming fear. And the reason you do that is because you then want to offer a solution, and we get addicted to hearing tuning in what's the latest thing that I have to be aware of or pay attention to, and fear, and that's always an opportunity to step into your power of how you can overcome fear. And I feel that what's not going to work anymore is trying to feed the program of fear, because when you become self realized, you are aware that we're not here by accident, we're here on purpose, and that we are not victims, We are powerful co creators. When you have that awareness of that's who you are, any fear story that comes to you or anyone that's trying to tell you, No, you're victims, you're powerless. You can't control what's happening around you. It's not going to work. And the ones that kind of showing us the the way showers that are emerging are the Indigos. If you've never heard of the term Indigo, Lee and his wife at the time, Jan Tober released a book in 1999 called the indigo children. And they were simply those coming to the planet with a different consciousness. They had a different wiring, if you like, and they were here as system busters because they could look around and see dysfunction, and they would react to that, and they don't want to be part of a system. That's dysfunctional. So they want to break down those paradigms of dysfunction and create from that place where kindness matters, compassion, tolerance, integrity, balance and wisdom. So I think the place of where we're going is the ability to see, recognize and discern wisdom, and that's what is really coming out of this shift all the history that keeps repeating itself. It's like a cycle where you didn't realize war does nothing but cause suffering and pain and loss on both sides, and it's not the solution for moving forward. And when Lee said, there's a new energy on the planet that's never been here before, it's about having solutions to things that were never solvable before. And there was a really fantastic channel from Kryon given maybe a few months ago, called the fog of war. Even that title doesn't that just dispel the fog of war, and we're really moving to that place where that fog is lifting and we're seeing it for what it is, and not anymore. We can't have generations coming in that will have the story, okay, these are my enemies. These are the people I have to hate. We're just going to perpetuate that cycle. It's dysfunctional, and wisdom sees dysfunction in that and says, No, there's an there's another model, another paradigm, and we're really in that transitional stage. What's interesting is when I was talking to a friend of mine who's a world class astrologer, and we were talking about how the planets are moving into places they have never been before that she's seen in all of her career of looking at them. And this year of 2025, is where they're kind of settling in to this new shift, and that next year, we're really going to see the changes of all these settling in a much more positive, benevolent way. So all I can say is, hold on, stay the course. Stay fast, because we're in this period where the dust is settling. We're cleaning out house we're renovating. We're getting ready for the launching pad of the new to come.

Alex Ferrari 12:47
Now, when you said 2025 you meant 2026 right?

Monika Muranyi 12:51
I i meant 2025 was that year of all that pivotal change, and 2026 is where it's settling into all the changes that happened in 2025 and Kryon even says 25 marked the end of the battle of dark and light, and these next five years, 2627 2829 and 30. They're the last five years of the shift, but you're coming out of it in those five years. So 26 is the first of five

Alex Ferrari 13:33
Got you. And then when you said that, Lee, when you were saying that there's no that this has never happened before. And Kryon Kryon, you see, Kryon said, said that he was also saying, in regards to, I mean, obviously there's Atlantis, and the ideas of Atlantis, this is beyond, not just this cycle of human evolution, but all of humanity on this planet. It's never been like this before?

Lee Carroll 14:02
No, never has been. And that includes any civilization that is that has ever been here, even some of the ancient ones that had a higher kind of what, what we say, consciousness. No, this is completely new. And I will give you the the metaphor. I don't think I did it before, but it's a good one, and it's one that you can look at and go, Yeah, that's right. If you look at human consciousness, what grind has said is that it never, ever changed. And so what we had was what we call human nature. If you ask sociologists, human nature is just it's a staple. It never changes. Well, it does and it can. We just never have seen it change, because we've always been in the same old energy, like a railroad track, and where are the train in a circle, and we never got out of the circle. So we keep running over the same old energy, the same problems and the same issues. And that creates. War after war after war after war. We just have war and we take breaks, then we have another war and we take a break and we have another war, including the last two we had, where we just took a break, and it was the same players at it again. I mean, it's so obvious how this has worked for us, no matter how enlightened or whatever the you know, inventions we have right into the nuclear age, we're ready to do it again, all of these things. That's what people are afraid of. Imagine that in the process of that, something has happened, and it has the cosmology really has told us about it from the ancients, a siding appears, a siding. So if you're a railroad nut, you know that when you have a siding, you have a switch, and you then you go off to the side, and your train then goes to another track. This is what has happened, and this was always the opportunity. There is a wonderful prophecy on that from the Hopi Indians. It's called the Hopi prophecy rock. And you go there and it actually shows the sighting it is. It's one that says that's their cosmology, which is very much like the ones in Peru, the Mayan that talks about this time in history, the 2000s and the issues that may happen and the choices we would have to make, and it actually shows the sighting that's what we are on. So we are now in an energy that we've never been before, because we're off that track. So even ancients were on that track, and we are not anywhere near anything that's ever been before. One of the things that people are reacting to is that when we go into an area we've never been, there's always apprehension, and there's apprehension from even the best mind saying we don't know really what we're going to do and where we're going, because it hasn't been really prophesied, or the prophecies we had haven't happened. And that's and if any of you follow some of the older channels that said certain things would happen, and that's on the old track, and they probably would Had we stayed on the old track, but we're not there. So now we're in a new area where really it seems that there's uncertainty coming, but from my standpoint, and what we say, there is an another metaphor. And crying has said the Snowball is rolling down the hill. Now, what that means is that the snowball has an attribute. If we see a snowball rolling down the hill and it's gathering speed and size, and here it comes. You You know some things right there. You know that there's gravity. It's big. It's rolling in that direction, and there's a tree down there, and he's probably going to hit it. Now, are you a prophet, if you say the tree is going to be hit by the snowball, or you just logical? This is what we're talking about. We are on this track, in this New Energy, and crying, and says, that's our snowball, and it's going to lead to things you don't expect. And he's called him, he says, Watch for new alliances between countries that never have a lot that's actually in process now, and that's what Brian was talking about in 2025 he says there are things happening geopolitically you didn't expect they are. It's not who is right or wrong here, or whether you like one party or the other. It's just matter of fact. Take a look at what's going on on the planet right now, on the things that were predicted or not predicted, and you will find the snowball. I'll name the snowball the high enlightened piece on Earth. And we're headed in that direction because we're going to get to a place where there's more. There's more to tell here we're going to get to a place also we didn't expect where our culture starts to change. I'll just, I'll just label it now in 1999 and Monika brought it up. I wrote a book for Hay House called the indigo children. It was a best selling book they had of the year. And there were, there were a million people that reacted to that. They said, Yeah, I've got kids like that. And what, what crime was showing was a new kind of child was being born at that time that seemed like a troublemaker, but a generation later, they will do things you've never seen before, and one of them is happening Right now, Alex, and that is, you have young people doing podcasts, millions of other young people on esoteric things, things that most young people in my day could never have cared less about. They don't want anything to do with it. They are, you know, they've got. Lives. They've got fun, they got parties, they got places to go, they got music or whatever. And you're not going to have anybody you know, say, look, I like you all to gather around. Like to tell you about past lives, you know, get away, get away today, literally, by the millions, and it's just happening, and it's Indigos, that's just one of the things, but it's right on target, if you if you start taking a look at a generation, which is often 30 years, 25 years from the birth, 1999 is when the information was was came out. They're here, and they're just at the right age, and you're starting to see them going into Congress, going into corporate, going into education, going into medicine, and starting to make the same kind of waves they did when they were little, and for the same reasons. And this is the, I would say, the reason they're here, the reason you're the reason so many are here that are doing now, that's That's unexpected. That's part of this new energy that Brian says we've never seen anything like that, that is a change in human nature, my friend, and that is what we're looking at.

Alex Ferrari 21:08
That's fascinating. Well, I hope, I think you were saying that I'm a young person, so I appreciate that very much.

Lee Carroll 21:18
You are when you when you look at how old I am, you are a young person. You represent a generation, and you're talking to both sides, but you definitely are an indigo person, even if you're older Indigo, you know you are.

Alex Ferrari 21:37
Well, I am a troublemaker, that's for damn sure. I've been since I since I was born in the 70s, I've been nothing but a troublemaker,

Lee Carroll 21:45
Yep, since I was born in the 40s, you can see what, what's going on there.

Alex Ferrari 21:50
I understand now why you calling me. But I do pre It's not often I'm called that my dog. My kids always call me the old man. So I appreciate

Lee Carroll 21:58
What do they know?

Alex Ferrari 22:00
Monika, let me ask you something. Do you do? There's a lot of fear going on right now about a lot of things, about the unknown and all this thing. But my take has always been that we have guardrails put on on us. That's there. There are, there are points that will not be crossed, because in any logical sense, we should have destroyed ourselves 100 times already with the kind of weapons that we have, but yet we haven't, even with insane people in political offices around the world and in craziness and dictators and all of this, and it hasn't happened. Would you agree with that? Do you have any other insight into this guardrail system that we have, I believe, at least.

Monika Muranyi 22:44
I love sharing what I gleaned from crayons wisdom and Kryon gave many channels on fear, because it is something that we deal with. And there's different faces of fear. There's fear that is for survival. So if you are crossing a street and a car is coming and you're about to be hit, you get that fear so that you're compelled to do action for your survival. That's very real fear. We have those kinds of fears for survival. We also have fear that we create. We're very good at creating fear for ourselves, and that's when we project into the unknown, into the future, and we spin on the what if scenarios, and we take a look at the evidence that's around us, and we want to project what that's going to be in the future, and it creates fear. So they're fears that you create. And the way that crime says we can move through that is to bias ourselves with positive expectation you can pave away with your consciousness of creating a benevolent path in front of you, and part of that is knowing that, like you said, there's a barrier, The guardrails, what represents those guard rails? The inner, eternal soul that you have that's always connected to the angelic realm, where you can't have fear, it doesn't exist, where you have a pure stream of a consciousness that is flooded with love, compassion, benevolence, you cannot coexist with fear and that place at the same time, but the easiest way for us to be in that place is the state of gratitude. So when you start affirming the things you're grateful. For when you have that real, deep gratification for the things that are going well, you can't have fear at the same time as being grateful. Then there's another type of fear that Kryon has explained that comes from past life experiences, and you can have residues of that, because these are multi dimensional energies and experiences. What is it that we know about multi dimensionality? In a multi dimensional state, time does not exist. Time is limited to the 3d world, height, length, width, breadth and time when you have no time, that is multi dimensional. So that's why you can have a past life expression where you might have drowned, you might have burnt on fire. So you carry that residual of that very dramatic event into your current life, and it's a residual of fear. And these are things that many therapists out there have been able to assist others in, releasing them, clearing them, working with the Akashic records, doing past life regression, or having such an experience of touching the essence of your soul that it instantly dissolves those kinds of traumatic experiences. There's many different ways of how to move through and release those experiences and one of the other residues we carry as a global family is the Doom bias, because we've had history repeat itself. We've had so my grandparents, they were born in Hungary. They went through World War One and World War Two, and you carry that residual, well, there's going to be a world war three. Isn't there? Because we've already gone through one and two, and then we see these situations seemingly happen again as the trigger of what happened last time. Of course, we're going to have a doom bias, to expect the worst. Think about your own life. If you've had something go wrong, you're kind of hesitant to try it again. Don't want to go through that pain, that experience, that it won't work. So releasing that Doom bias, I can't emphasize that enough, because crown has said we are on that snowball of peace, as Lee mentioned, but the timing of it is up to us, so the more we say, I don't know. I'm not sure. All these signs it doesn't look good. That delays the snowball of peace, the more of us can be empowered and be in that connection where we we have crossed that threshold.

Alex Ferrari 28:15
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Monika Muranyi 28:37
Of the Battle of dark and light and Armageddon, we've crossed it. There are so many signs that point to that. So it is about claiming it, stating it, affirming it, and visualizing it and projecting it onto not just the global family of humanity, but for your own personal life. This is the year where everything turns around. One of the other things in the energy we've never seen on the planet before is that your consciousness, when you start pushing positive expectation in an older energy, you were always faced against a pushback of pushing you back. You're a troublemaker. Sit in the corner. In the past, you may have even been killed for your enlightenment. This is the year where that changes and your consciousness is matched by an energy that is here to support it. No more pushback. So this is where cryon has been telling all of us say yes to things you might have said no to go to a place. Where someone invites you and you would always say, No, I'm not going there. That's not for me. Go and see because perhaps there's someone you need to meet there that takes you to another direction. In other words, you have to get out of your comfort zone, your comfort bubble of where you're used to operating and working and manifesting as a light worker, to move into other areas that are not necessarily what you would have chosen or comfortable, and say yes and see what happens.

Alex Ferrari 30:32
Beautifully said. Beautifully said. Now we keep speaking about this Kryon guy. Is there? Is there a way to bring him in to ask him a few questions?

Lee Carroll 30:41
Sure, but before we do that,

Alex Ferrari 30:44
Please,

Lee Carroll 30:47
I would like to just to back up a little bit and tell you that, according to Nancy tappy, who was the one who identified the indigo children, there were indigo children in the 60s. So just in I think you know you are one, and you could be a precursor to the ones that we're talking about. But there's no question, even as I look at you, I am so familiar with the indigo child, and I say attributes that make no mistake in that. Then the next one is, I love to talk about things that we don't have answers to, because they're fun to talk about. And you just ask one you want to do, is it possible they're guardrails? Now, I know there are, because crying has talked about it. This was about, I would say, 10 years ago or so. There was some conference that Elon Musk was at before he was Mr. Tesla and all space at all that, where they talked about esoteric things and asked him, with all the attributes you notice that appear we're in a simulation?

Alex Ferrari 31:52
Yeah!

Lee Carroll 31:53
And he said, Yes. And so you start looking at that. I asked, Kryon, are we in a simulation? Kryon says, You're indefinitely in a test of consciousness. Then I said, Are there controls? And Kryon says, do you mean are there limits that change? And I said, Yes. And he said, Yes. He said, Whatever you do with free choice and snaps other things into place. And for instance, the availability for certain kinds of inventions. Have you ever noticed that Earth gets inventions all at once? We only beat the right? I mean, Wright Brothers only beat the French by two weeks. They were all thinking the same things. The Wright brothers just did it first. And there's oh man Marconi with radio. Was so, was so simultaneously with others that they still argue who got there first? So here are things that are given to the earth seemingly all at once. That's like a control, that's like a something's going on that perhaps appears as though we are being given things at a certain time. So yes, and I agree with you. I think there are guardrails. I think that history will show it when things are revealed someday that we don't know about now, how close we got to pushing a button. We'll get stories that are hair raising if there aren't there already, and we'll go how one thing different that day, and we would have been in war, and you're going to see a number of those. I believe there are guardrails. And because of the snowball, once we show a change is starting to happen on the planet, and a certain way, I think those things are moved around a little bit to help us. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 33:39
Yeah. And I mean, you were there during the Cuban Missile Crisis, you were around. You saw that. That was terrifying. I wasn't alive yet, but I saw what was going on from historical videos and films, and we got, that's the closest we ever got that we know of. There's many other stories that have come out after the Cold War and stuff that is just air raising.

Lee Carroll 34:00
There have been, there have been regarding a real life encounter that mimics the Red, Red October. They may have even got there. And so there's a, there's at least one of those as well. Yeah, yes, I was there in the crisis, and it was exactly as you said, everybody, we're hairbreadth away.

Alex Ferrari 34:27
We were, I mean, we were minute, hours away. I mean, it was insane how close we got. But something, something intervened and pulled us back from the brick. But that's closest publicly, at least, that we've ever seen.

Lee Carroll 34:39
It's often we learn later, behind the scenes, things we don't expect that later we find out why, and we go, well, we weren't told that. And you're right. No, we weren't,

Alex Ferrari 34:54
I'm sure a little bit of that happening now

Lee Carroll 34:58
You're going to ask if we can do some channeling, is that right?

Alex Ferrari 35:01
Yeah, if you could, yeah,

Monika Muranyi 35:03
absolutely. And there's many here that are used to Kryon. I love that you every now and then say Kyron. Kyron is the wounded healer, and I love Kryon. Kyron's Energy as well

Lee Carroll 35:15
Is actually an asteroid.

Monika Muranyi 35:16
It's it's an asteroid, but it's also in Astro cartography, you have your Kyron line, which is the wounded healer, and and healing, which is also beautiful. How I remember it. Alex is many times when people are experiencing crayons, energy, live in person, you are filled and flooded with this love wash, you can't help but cry. So we always call it a cry on event, because you cry on and on. So maybe you'll remember it that way.

Alex Ferrari 35:49
Now I have it, now I have it

Monika Muranyi 35:53
Kryon event and cry on is here of magnetic service, because the reason Kryons here is for this shift in human consciousness. I've written maybe four books on subject driven titles, and I get to ask Kryon questions, and one of them was, you know, Kryon, have you been on other planets? Because we are in a galaxy where there's been planets going through this shift, and some have made it, some have not, and those who make it have ascendant planet consciousness. And Kryon says, of course, of course, I was on other planets, so I'm just premising that that Kryon is here with a specific mission in helping all of humanity to be self, empowered to move through this shift of consciousness. We are evolving. It's beautiful. You're magnificent. And we're on that trajectory. We're on that path of graduate ascension status,

Lee Carroll 36:53
Right? Why do I take off my glasses when I channel?

Monika Muranyi 36:55
Well, Kryon. Sometimes goes like that, and flicks off the glasses, knocks microphones, kicks candles off at the seminar. So that's why we don't put candles in front of Kryon anymore.

Alex Ferrari 37:10
So it's Kryon, it's crying, it's Kryon, part Italian, because he uses his hands a lot. Is that? Is that the way?

Monika Muranyi 37:21
We do too, yeah. So yeah, Kryon is always

Lee Carroll 37:26
So how would you like to do this, my friend, shall we just go into channel and let you ask?

Alex Ferrari 37:30
Yeah! That would be great, yeah. And if Yeah, we could ask some questions. If he has anything he wants to say at the beginning and at the end, I'll give him space to do that. If he has a message for the audience that's listening right now. Yeah, we could do that.

Lee Carroll 37:42
Thank you, my friend.

Alex Ferrari 37:43
Thank you, my friend.

Lee Carroll 37:44
Greetings, dear ones. I am Kryon of Magnetic Service. What a treat to talk to those who know themselves well enough to watch this particular program. And what I mean by that is mostly old souls will be tuning in, the ones who are curious, not only about themselves, but of the energy that the planet is going through right now. That is so different. It is so different I am angelic, you might say, that is to say, when I came to my partner, he said, Who are you? And I said, Kryon. And he said, Well, who was Kryon? And I said, Kryon. It's a group. It's from the other side of the veil. It's like you might say, a love grouping, a compassionate grouping. I arrived in 1989 and the shift began in 1994 I am here to help you through that shift, and I continue to help you through the shift. And that is the precession of the equinox, the cosmology that the ancients have told you would happen, and it did. Now you are coming out of that there is so much love for you. I want you to know something before anyone asks any question. God knows your name, if you want to use the term God, the creator of this universe, knows your name, and that's because within your soul, there is a piece of that creator. Almost every system on this planet that calls itself spiritual has a writing that will tell you that God inside. I want you to know that, because that is what starts to emerge in the consciousness of humanity on this new track.

Alex Ferrari 39:52
Thank you for that Kryon. First question is, what is humanity's most what is humanity most afraid of to face about itself right now in this moment?

Lee Carroll 40:02
The fear that the humanity has right now, or perhaps what it does not want to face, is the inevitable of what might happen, perhaps, if you don't awaken. In other words, the Doom bias is there, and it's so much there that that is one of the biggest things that humanity will have to get through. I want to give you an example. If you start counting the number of movies, or episodal or anything you want to look at that's even current or past in the last 25 years, hundreds and hundreds deal with the aftermath after a nuclear attack. Now that is a bias, and you continue that because it's a theme. I think humanity is afraid to face that because they believe that it might happen. It's a popular theme because it's been drummed into you from the old energy that I've talked about before. The other thing that is difficult to face, believe it or not, is a change in humanity that is so startling that almost all of the infrastructure that you're used to, that's consciousness, will change. You're on the edge of it with AI. Now, some will say, Well, what is it that AI is going to do? And I will tell you a number of things. First of all, you'll get used to it. You'll get through the fad of it, you'll get used to talking to it, and then you'll realize it does not have consciousness. It has data. Now that's still happening. Is probably going to take a number of years before it gets old and is no longer something that you're enamored with, and then it starts to work. Let me tell you about AI. It's going to solve some of the biggest diseases of this planet. AI will probably be responsible for curing cancer, because it can look at all the research that's ever been done in an instant. It can pull together things that have never been pulled together. When you apply it to base 12, it'll take you to the stars. This is the reason for AI now on the planet, dear ones, did you wonder if this was on purpose that you would have aI at this time, and the answer is exactly, it's right where it belongs. Humanity doesn't want to face that either, because it thinks that AI will take over. And why is that? And that is because your movie said so. Now back to the bias of the films actually trying to shape a future that has nothing to do with any of those films. I will tell you this, if I was going to write the next Terminator film, I would have the Terminator turn into a higher consciousness and get rid of all the other apparatus on the planet that would hold you back. Because that truly is the prophecy, the AI, the thinking machine, would take you to places you haven't been before and be your friend and not your enemy.

Alex Ferrari 43:43
Beautifully said. Now is there a timeline shift happening and what determines which path we experience as individual and as a consciousness?

Lee Carroll 43:53
I'm glad you asked that as a individual, individual as and as a major consciousness, it has to start with individuality, waking up on the planet. And has my partner mentioned the Indigo effect right now of the young people actually being interested in the esoteric thing? Now this is a major consciousness shift on the planet. For ages, there has been a social norm that tells you what you're interested in, at what age you get interested in, and what you do about it. Many books have been written. The psychology is well known. That has all started to shift. So that is one of the biggest things that you're going to see. So individually, you're starting to awaken. What happens next is the individuals, they start to have what I'll call a coherence with one another. Now, if you studied coherence, you'll realize that you don't have to be in the same room. You don't even have to be in the same country. Saying you can have coherence in the field. Something that has been defined as the consciousness of all some have actually defined it years ago as the great unconscious, or the collective unconscious. It's the field when you start realizing that consciousness is energy, which is now proven. You realize that that energy literally has a substance to it. You might say that is on the planet. This allows for things like remote viewing to happen, because it's accurate. It is true, picking up other things that are happening through the field. So what I'm telling you is that as the individuals start to have a higher consciousness and awaken, you click into a coherence with many that starts to affect other individuals, and they start asking questions. Awakening is the process of looking at life, yourself, creation, what you've been told spiritually, and making up your own mind, asking the questions, is this real? Is it not real? Is there something more? Is there not and the coherence of that has created what is happening today in so many individuals that then becomes a collective. And that collective of coherence of consciousness then becomes the mass awakening eventually, one heart at a time, my friend, is the way it works. But I will tell you right now that there are literally millions who are working this puzzle together and are starting to awaken to a larger truth, a truth that does not have God as a punishing father, but God as a creator who loves Every single soul on this planet equally and the job of every human being is to then apply that to all lives and all countries, and it is normal. It will appear to be something you want to do. You want to emulate the compassion of God. That emulation is going to start with the children, who are now young adults. Soon, you're going to see something, and I want you to look for this, because it's already in the works. It's already in the field. I see it very clearly. You will see those in their 30s and 40s on both sides of not only the aisle, which means political, but also you'll see it in countries that have been enemies for decades and decades, holding hands, coming together, looking you in the eye, and saying, We got to Stop this. Because the truth is this, there's too many of us to risk it. We've got to work on fresh water for everyone, food for everyone, power for everyone, education for everyone, and that's what we're here for. And it'll shock you, because the alliances are wrong. They shouldn't be together, holding hands and looking at you this way. You've always seen them as at war that's coming, and when it does, I want you to remember this moment, because it's already in the field. It's starting to happen. It should happen, and then should happen because the energy here is promoting it. There is not the old energy pushback that there was even last year or the year before. That's what's happening on the planet.

Alex Ferrari 48:52
Well, then Kryon, tell me what is the true purpose behind the chaos that everyone seems to be seeing happening around the world?

Lee Carroll 49:01
It's the culmination of many things, but mostly because this is the year that I said you're going to look at settling things that have never been settled. There is an energy that says we have got to finish this. There's an energy that says enough, and the old energy then says the solution is always war. So you see that first, because you're not there yet you don't have that collective consciousness that is going to be it will occur. But you'll notice when this war broke out, was right away. Soon as February came and you'd settled into 2026 it was there, in a way. It never was there before. You might ask, why? Now, what's the reasoning? If you ask the politicians what happened, then they'll just say, well, it was time they felt it too. They felt it too. So this is what's going on. The chaos is an old energy. Reflection of the way to settle it. But be aware that settling it is what you're asking about. That is what I predicted as well. But things have simply not been settled or been in a way that is is always hanging. You might say it never, never got tied up. It never got then put to bed. It never got a solution. This is the year where these things start all over the planet. I'll say it again. Watch for new alliances with countries that are now going to settle other things that have been not settled for years, or things that haven't worked well, alliances that you've always just counted on that didn't really work well, systems that you thought were forever Not really. They really didn't work well. And they'll start to change them. This is the beginning of that.

Alex Ferrari 50:56
What is one belief that humans must let go of in order to evolve?

Lee Carroll 51:00
You must let go of the fact that you have been taught for centuries that God is a punishing God, that you have natural born, dirty attributes. It's the greatest lie that has ever been given to humanity about a wonderful, compassionate God that you were born unworthy, when the truth is you are born magnificent, you're born beautiful, and you have every opportunity in life to teach your children that very thing, and every opportunity in life to go from there to Find out what that really means to be a compassionate soul. It'll change your life. That is, if I may tell you now the secret to life extension joy, that is also part of, I would say, the laughter the inner child, all of those things that we have taught about, back to your question and the answer you must understand you were born magnificent.

Alex Ferrari 52:09
If someone feels lost right now, what is the first step they can step back to clarity that can do

Lee Carroll 52:15
There are so many lost souls right now. I say that in a way that you would understand your soul is never lost, but a lost soul, to some of you are those who are in despair. I will tell you something you don't expect. Energy is real. It is not something that simply dissipates into the air. So you create your own energy. For instance, have you ever tried to deal with a depressed person telling them about better things or giving them something that you know they like, and they will say, Get away from me. I want to I want to dig my hole a little deeper. Does that make any sense? And the answer is, it does not. But energy is that way. So energy begets energy. That is the same, and that's both positive and negative. Almost everybody who is in despair right now, lost souls are experiencing something I will call cascading negativity. One thing leads to another which is also bad, which leads to another which is also negative. And so you think everything I try does not work. Nothing I have ever done is good enough. Look at where I am now, now I'm feeling bad. There's probably a disease, and I will tell you right now that all of those things are probably true, because that's what you created. Do you dare old soul drop into your heart for a moment and ask the question, Am I creating my own whole? Is it possible that I'm creating all that is wrong in my life? If I am dear spirit, show me that I am loved. Now, I'm going to reveal something to you now that's an aspect and attribute of the Creator. You all come in with guides. There's literally angelic energy all around you, and they just sit there and watch you do what you do. A human with free choice means that very thing, the minute you start reaching out to spirit, not in a pleading way, not in a God, dear help me, but in a god, please show me who I am. What is next? And give me that which is the peace and the compassion to go through what I need to to awaken and get out of this horror I'm in. Energy begets energy. I want every one of you who is sad right now or despondent right now, or even those of you who are perhaps not to do a simple 32nd exercise. It's easy, and I guarantee it'll change your perspective on life. When you get up in the morning, I want you to swing your legs around and let them hit the floor. Stay grounded, and for 30 seconds, I want you to think of all the things you're grateful for. It could be as simple as nature or or an animal you're with, or perhaps a partner who loves you, or someone across the ocean who loves you I know who's listening here, or the fact that you're not going hungry. There are so many things to be grateful for. All of you have this 30 seconds. Thank you spirit. Thank you, God. Thank you creative source for this. I am grateful for this, and you can start listening, listing them 30 seconds, and I'll tell you why this is important. It's hard to get into fear when you start with gratitude. It's hard to go down that rabbit hole of depression when you start with gratitude. And when you do that for 30 seconds, I want you to feel the angels getting just a little closer to you. I want you to hear them, if you wish to just figuratively saying, oh my god, she's interested. Oh my God, he's interested. Let's look. What are they going to do next? Are they really awakening? Are they really asking this? Yes, there's an entourage waiting to take your hand when you do these things. Energy, begots, energy, whatever you put out will come back.

Alex Ferrari 57:13
Kryon, what does a truly awakened human look like in today's world?

Lee Carroll 57:18
What kind of a human is that to you?

Alex Ferrari 57:21
An enlightened one, a conscious one,

Lee Carroll 57:24
Looks like light, just like light. When we look upon this planet, we see love for every single human being, the ones who have a higher consciousness, that have discovered that every single day they're taken care of, every single day they have answers. Every single day they can they can have healings, and there's purpose and reason. They're like beacons of light. 20 five years ago, there weren't that many, not really today, if you could see what I see, there's lighthouses all over this planet, more than ever before, who have awakened to a greater truth, not a doctrine, dear ones, not a religion. It's you with a personal awakening to who you are, what. If it was true, you really had God inside. What kind of a difference would that make in a 3d world that you have to walk around him. You walk in a toxic world and it doesn't touch you. That's what it's like. You walk where somebody can yell at you and call you names, and it doesn't affect you. It doesn't press your buttons, because you have mastery. Mastery doesn't react, mastery observes. And you walk forward without feeling a thing. Let them feel what they wish. What I will show them is love. That's what it looks like. Looks like light, and there's a lot of it here my friend,

Alex Ferrari 59:15
for those watching right now who are living in fear about the future. What advice or words of wisdom do you have for them?

Lee Carroll 59:24
Almost everything that you're afraid of has been given to you to be afraid of. Almost everything you fear has been on a plate handed to you. If you're in my partner's culture, that would be America. If you watch television late at night, you're being told you're sick, commercial after commercial after commercial. You're sick. You're sick. You need this. You need this. You realize that you watch the news, you're being told you're on the brink of war all the time. You're going to run out of oil. You're not going to be able to do this and that, and it's all the time. Did you ever tune into a news channel who started with good news? And the answer is no? Does that mean there isn't any No? It means that they have chosen to hand you bad news on a plate. Once you see that, you'll see that the fear you have is something that has been designed you, my friend, are designed for joy, for wisdom, for light. Once you start understanding the dynamics of why you feel the way you do, you start relaxing a bit. You start not watching those things that you know are designed to frighten you. Then it gets even better. Now you're in control of your life. The Snowball is rolling down the hill of peace on earth. You have a chance to slow it down or speed it up, depending on how you feel about yourself, who you are, what you might be able to do, just individually for yourself. Did you know that when you vibrate higher in consciousness, that there are certain diseases that cannot attach themselves to you? You think that's esoteric. It isn't. You're going to find there's science behind that. Because diseases are living things, they also have a living vibration. So do you if your cells are vibrating higher than the disease, it can't touch you? Did you ever think of that? These are the things that will be discovered, even in medicine, they'll scratch their heads wanting to know why certain groups of people never catch a certain thing. Then they'll start looking at their belief system. Oh, there is more here than meets the eye. There is hope here, there is love here. Grab onto it, and you'll know what I mean.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:04
And finally, Kryon Is there any final words you would like to give to the audience?

Lee Carroll 1:02:08
That is what I want to tell the audience, born magnificent. Every one of you don't buy into the lie that you came here by accident, or that perhaps you have a creator who doesn't like you, who's looking at you, who will send you to hell and torture you forever. Does that sound like the love of God? Does that even reasonable? Start using what I would call spiritual logic and apply it to how you feel. Is there a creator? Some of you will say, Well, I don't have any any evidence of it. Oh, you haven't given it a chance. Let the evidence be in you. Try these things. Perhaps. Go ahead. Ask, dear spirit, are you real? Show me you have the Do you have the courage to do something like that and not then decide in advance to do that? Most people who hear this, that's what they do. Okay, I'll give it a shot, knowing perhaps in their brain, it won't work. So what do they do? They do it knowing it won't work. And then when it doesn't they say, see, it didn't work. They set up their own result before they ever begin the problem. Instead, if you would open your heart and say, I'm here. I'm really here, if you love me, show me, oh boy, spirit cannot resist a human being's heart that is pure that asks that. And sometimes, dear ones, you have to go at the end of your string and go right down to the depths of the dark night of the soul before you will ever, ever do that. And then when you do it, all changes. You don't have to go there, not anymore. You can do it right where you sit. It's worth asking, isn't it? Find the God inside. And so it is,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:21
Thank you. Wow, that was powerful. Lee, you jump in and out real quick. Yeah, real quick.

Lee Carroll 1:04:34
I'll tell you the story, because it was years and years ago now. I was in my shower four crying, talks to me, and I heard very clearly, are you ready to go to the next level? It's such a human reaction. I thought to myself, dang. I thought it was at the highest level, that spiritual ego. It was like, aren't I already there? I. Yeah, so I said, I said, and I said, Sure. I didn't really mean it, but I said, Sure. And I really wanted to know what that was. And crying said, you're playing church with me. You sit down. People sit down in front of you, and you have something, you do something, you say something, and then everybody goes and it's no church anymore, and there's no crying anymore. And so I want you to do 24/7 I want you to be me all the time. Then when you bring me in, all you're doing is turning a page of a book, and I'm there. We're closing the book, so it's just opening and closing something that's already there, so you don't have to huff and puff or turn around or make funny noises to be a channel. And that is not that there are those who do that that you shouldn't listen to. I'm just saying, This is me. This is me,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:54
Sure.

Lee Carroll 1:05:54
So this is what I experienced, and that's what you're seeing. It took a long time, folks,

Monika Muranyi 1:06:04
I would call Lee The Reluctant channel. I mean, there are those who are dedicated to becoming a channel and to mastering the channeling technique that was not Lee

Lee Carroll 1:06:17
Relax. That's, that's what anybody wants to channel. That's, you know, that's what Marilyn Harper says to teach his channeling, relax,

Monika Muranyi 1:06:24
Yes.

Lee Carroll 1:06:25
You know, don't get like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it because that doesn't work.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:29
Yeah, yeah. I've talked to a couple of channels in my day, so I've seen every, every flavor, every style, and you pop in and out very, very quickly and very just. It's just a very flawless almost,

Monika Muranyi 1:06:45
You know, Alex it took lay about four years to make that bridge with Kryon to remember, from back then, 37 years ago or more, there was a lot of trance channel. So their complete takeover of the body,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:03
Like Seth, like Seth,

Monika Muranyi 1:07:04
Yeah,

Lee Carroll 1:07:04
Yes, Seth was a good example.

Monika Muranyi 1:07:06
And Lee said, Don't do that to me. Yeah. I want to know exactly what's happening and Kryon said, it's going to take you longer to have that meld. That's why Lee remembers everything Kryon Says he's present. He's 100%

Lee Carroll 1:07:24
Yeah,

Monika Muranyi 1:07:24
And that's the difference we see

Lee Carroll 1:07:26
With such a wonderful channel. I love the information of Seth, and there's a book Seth speaks, I forget what, but in an older energy, almost had to go there and do that in order to give that information. Not now,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:41
Well, yeah, I think now, now channels are, I mean, obviously still not mainstream, but it's a lot more mainstream than it was when you started. For sure.

Lee Carroll 1:07:49
Yes, totally, there are so many channels. I mean, I live in a beautiful time. I never thought I'd see where there's so many who can flip that switch and have so much powerful information.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:01
And these older, the older energy you're talking about, the Edgar Cayce's, the Seth's, they had to almost do that in order for anyone to even kind of almost take them seriously in Yeah,

Lee Carroll 1:08:15
Almost had to be. They almost had to be showman, showman

Alex Ferrari 1:08:18
Yeah, a little Barnum and Bailey kind of vibe to it back in the day, where now the newer channels I've spoken to young, I've spoken to channels who are in their 20s, yeah, and they, they come in and out, not as quick as you obviously, but they but there's just different now. Sure, there are some that do a little bit more more action, and their voices change and all that, but that's just different people doing different things. Like if I cook eggs and you cook eggs, it's going to be very different,

Lee Carroll 1:08:45
Different. And we have this Wednesday night show, and we were for five years. We're a lot

Monika Muranyi 1:08:51
Six years,

Lee Carroll 1:08:52
Six years, and every Wednesday night for six years. And we have numbers of young channels on that show, and I watch them very closely, and many times it's just a matter of being quiet for a moment or two, then it comes in. So it's getting easier, and I'm watching

Alex Ferrari 1:09:09
It must be amazing for you. So where can people find out more about you, Kryon and all the amazing work you're doing?

Lee Carroll 1:09:16
We still want to send people to kryonmasters.com and that is where all of our online work is. And then also you can see there some other things we do, if you want to go to see where our live things are, and that's a whole different part of Kryon. That's kryon.com so there's really two places and two things that you're looking at our online work. And our courses on kryonmasters.com, our live things are on kryon.com

Alex Ferrari 1:09:45
Sounds good, and do you do? I'll leave it to both of you. Do you? Either of you have, or both of you have final messages for the audience in this insane moment of transition.

Lee Carroll 1:09:59
I cannot top what Kryon said. This is what I say. You're born magnificent. Don't you think you're here by accident. What do you have to say?

Monika Muranyi 1:10:07
Mine is so grateful to have your energy. Part of this conversation with Alex, and my request is kindness. Sometimes people might watch the program. They may not always agree with everything we say, or someone who's speaking too long, the other person's not speaking enough, and the comments that you write can have a big impact. So make them have kindness, the energy that's behind it.

Lee Carroll 1:10:45
Alex knows exactly what we're talking

Alex Ferrari 1:10:47
Oh, you mean there's negative comments on the internet? What?

Lee Carroll 1:10:54
There are people that hover, that are looking for bad things to say to make you feel bad, because it empowers them somehow,

Monika Muranyi 1:11:02
Well, and

Lee Carroll 1:11:03
We know that.

Monika Muranyi 1:11:04
And I, you know, we all welcome, we all welcome different opinions,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:08
Of course,

Monika Muranyi 1:11:10
And through all of it, just, is it being Am I using kindness in my words?

Alex Ferrari 1:11:18
I've I've read,

Monika Muranyi 1:11:19
I've my final parting words,

Lee Carroll 1:11:21
Try to be kind.

Monika Muranyi 1:11:24
Think kindness, kindness matters.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:27
Listen. I've heard, I've read comments that are like they disagree, but they're kind about it, and that's okay. You don't have to, you don't have to agree. It doesn't. It might not float your boat. It might not, you might not vibrate with it. That's fine, but there's no need to be nasty about it. I disagree with a lot of things happening in the world, but I don't go around attacking everybody. I don't hang out on other people's channels and go, You know what? That's not the way Kryon would say it. That's not the way Monika and Lee would have said it.

Lee Carroll 1:11:57
Truth. I've had criticisms and kindness that actually read the whole thing and agreed. I said, you know, I never thought of that. They're right. Yeah, agree, much more apt to to look at in a serious way if it were postured in a kind way,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:11
Absolutely. Well, Monika, I do appreciate you saying that. That does mean a lot to me, and I think anybody who's ever been on the internet so

Monika Muranyi 1:12:20
But even responding to someone's negative comments, I kind of laugh, because we have to even be kind when people are being unkind. And you know, it's that same thing of it's easy to love people when they're lovable. That's easy, but our challenge of mastery,

Lee Carroll 1:12:43
That's our mastery

Monika Muranyi 1:12:44
Loving people when they're unlovable. Well, that's why kindness is so simple.

Lee Carroll 1:12:50
That's so that's what it is.

Monika Muranyi 1:12:52
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:53
Guys, it has always been such a pleasure having you here. I look forward to our next conversation, hopefully we'll get you in the studio soon, sometime before the big, giant transition happens, but I appreciate you guys. Thank you again, so much for everything you're doing to help awaken the planet.

Lee Carroll 1:13:09
Thank you!

Monika Muranyi 1:13:10
Delight and a pleasure always to be with you Alex.