The Love, Light & True Teaching of Jesus Christ with John Davis

Alex Ferrari 0:00
You stand in the Vatican and you look around. I remember when I did that, I just sat there, and I just said, this has nothing to do with Jesus.

John Davis 0:08
Nothing. They are profiting from their asset, and their asset is not the product. It's the fear. All of the writings that we have, be they gnostic, be they biblical, be they scripture, be they Paul's writings are documented to be somewhere between 70 and 200 years after the crucifixion, written by Greco Roman Christians with a messianic agenda to teach, to teach this belief in that Jesus was the Messiah. So then we come to now. Now Rome has taken control of the Bible content, right? And we have 50% of the New Testament is Luke and Paul, right? Luke being number one. Luke never met Joshua in life. Luke was Paul's disciple, right? So 50% of the New Testament is all Paul writings. What Jeshua spoke of is the power within the kingdom of heaven is within you. Is your faith that heals you greater works than I've done you will do he talks about You having the power within.

Alex Ferrari 1:22
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please, like, subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I like to welcome back to the show returning champion, John Davis, how you doing John?

John Davis 1:47
Alex, I'm so happy to be here. I'm doing great, and I'm more excited. And even better now, because I'm in the Next Level Soul Studios.

Alex Ferrari 1:54
Oh, I appreciate you flying out, man. It has been a long time coming. Ever since I opened this we've been trying to figure out a time for you to get down here.

John Davis 2:01
We've talked about it quite a bit.

Alex Ferrari 2:03
So we appreciate you coming, man. And every time we get together, people love it.

John Davis 2:06
I love it.

Alex Ferrari 2:07
Yeah, I love it as well. I love it as well. And for people who have not heard our other conversations, which are fairly epic, they go deep down the rabbit hole. Can you talk? Tell everybody a little bit about who you are and and what brought you here quickly.

John Davis 2:23
Yeah, I'll give you the Reader's Digest version

Alex Ferrari 2:26
For everybody who knows, whoever knows what reader digest is, right, right?

John Davis 2:30
I just, I just aged myself. Thank you very much. Thank you. So I was raised as a young Catholic boy, and in the late 90s, I started having psychics come out of the blue and simply tell me that I had a past life where I walked with Jesus and being a young Catholic boy, I denied it immediately, and I did my best not to have that experience be something that I took into myself, because it was just not in alignment with what I believed at The time. But as time went on, there was it just kept happening. I had 19 different people walk up and tell me that I was had the reincarnation life of John the Beloved. And I was like, finally, I was like, done. I don't want to have be the guy who thinks he's Napoleon. You know? You know, I want to be that guy. And what happened was is I said, finally, I said, I don't want to hear any more psychics telling me this stuff anymore. I said, you give me a direct sign, if that's what you want me to know. And a guy gave me a book called Edgar Cayce on the millennium, and the book said John the Beloved will again be named John. Edgar Cayce said that 1943 which prompted me to get a past life regression. And in that past life regression, I remembered meeting the guy that I call Joshua Ben Joseph and and learning from him. And I remember the life of John the Beloved. And so that's the Reader's Digest version,

Alex Ferrari 3:52
Yeah. And if you want to go deeper down that rabbit hole, you go watch the other shows, guys, because it's we go really deep into that, and the trials and tribulations, how you came out public, but you already a, not a carny, but a

John Davis 4:05
A renny

Alex Ferrari 4:06
A renny because you used to do renaissance fairs, I did a lot of special so you're you're an artist, you're out there, you know. And what I always find funny is, friend of mine, Kyle, just did a skit I saw the other day, which was hilarious about about past life regressions. And like, I was Joan of Arc. And then he's like, wow, out of trillions of options, you happen to be the famous one, and the other one's like, Yes, I was Genghis Khan. I'm like, he's like, Oh, so you always hear things like that, yep. And it's, you know, it was like, I it was Cleopatra. I'm like, that was probably the guy cleaning up the crap behind the horses of Cleopatra. Is probably where I was. But it's always fascinating to me, people who have these past life aggression, and they're famous, so I I like the way that you've kind of, like, really fought up against it for a while.

John Davis 4:52
And I fought against it for several reasons. One, because my my mom had her master's degree in liturgy. I. Head of liturgical doctrine at our Catholic Church. Oh, wow. So to fight against that kind of Catholic upbringing is tough, but you know it's so interesting is now that I've done this for so long, I've met multiple people who think they're John, I've met multiple people who think they're Mary and Jesus and Judas, and I've met over 30 women who think they're Mary Magdalene, obviously. And what I've come to realize is we don't know what reincarnation is. You know what reincarnation may be is we all may just be tapping into the oneness of God. Because if I was to say that they're wrong, then I would be the hypocrite. I'd be the one to say because I'm saying the same thing, right? So I think it only matter. It doesn't matter who anybody was in a past life at all, including myself. I think it only matters who you are in the only moment you're conscious, which is your present moment. And so to me, it's all about who are you now, not who were you then?

Alex Ferrari 5:50
Yeah, it's just, it's kind of like looking back on your own life right now, like you know who you were at 20, right, right? Very different human being than sitting in front of us right here. I know wasn't that amazing. It was everywhere.

John Davis 6:04
But you know what? This isn't a bald head. This is a solar panel for a love machine.

Alex Ferrari 6:08
There it is. You wear it well, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Mine are still holding on tight, but, but the line is wavering.

John Davis 6:18
Slow retreat, huh?

Alex Ferrari 6:19
No, it's not. No, the back retreated already. Oh, the front lines holding. Oh, I think the front line will hold, if my father's any indication.

John Davis 6:27
My comedy show, my partner started to get a bald spot, and one day he used to tease me about my hairline, and one day, I grabbed him, I spun him around. I said, this show is brought to you by the letter O. That's funny. He got a good laugh out of it,

Alex Ferrari 6:41
But no, but looking back at who we were, I mean, it's, you know, trying to, I don't know if I don't know about you, I've found, I found myself recently going back to really looking at nostalgia, yeah, looking at the 80s and the 90s, which was my golden period. I was as a kid in the 80s and in the 90s, I was in my 20s, essentially. And going back, I've heard some people call it peak humanity. I don't believe that. But then it was before social media. Was before, you know, easy access to, you know, pornography and all these kind of things that just are everywhere now, and it's influenced humanity so so much the 90s was that time that it was the right before, also the time the 90s. A lot of crap happened the 90s, but financially in the US. Great decade, yeah, great decade. It was, it was really, I found myself looking back at that kind of stuff because I'm, I don't know, we're all getting older man.

John Davis 7:40
Yeah, we look back with nostalgia, but you know, the interesting thing about that is the past is also not only where those triumphs were, but a lot of your regrets and your and your struggles of life are absolutely and you go back and you have to overcome that, because that subconscious belief from that past experience can permeate into your present if you allow it, right? And so it's a matter of breaking free of that cycle as well.

Alex Ferrari 8:02
Now, speaking of going back, let's go back a while. There's this guy named Joshua, troublemaker. Yeah, he was that. He was a troublemaker. Everywhere he went. They kicked him out pretty quickly because he just started challenging everybody,

John Davis 8:17
Everybody and

Alex Ferrari 8:18
Everybody, or in the town, if you will. I wanted to go back because, you know, you and I are both recovering Catholics, as we like to, we like to joke, and, you know, the Catholic doctrine and the Bible and all of that. So many people look at that blindly. They just look whatever they were given Absolutely. They just believe it.

John Davis 8:41
They're told to believe it, and so they believe it and not to question, right? And not to question. In fact, when they question, they are literally cast out. I can't tell you how many people have told me that when they were kids, they were questioned and they were punished for questioning.

Alex Ferrari 8:52
Isn't that insane? Insanity? Insanity like so what happened between the ages of 12 and 30? What happened to those

John Davis 8:59
Yeah, where'd that clear come right? Exactly.

Alex Ferrari 9:02
We don't talk about that. Why don't we talk about that? That's the most interesting time of Jesus is like,

John Davis 9:07
And when you, when you talk to a Hindu, they'll tell you, Oh, yeah, he was Sri Isa, yes, who? And that was the time he was there. They also will tell you that after the crucifixion, he he collected his wife and came back and raised children there

Alex Ferrari 9:19
Exactly. And that's I've had that many, many mystics have told me that as well, where the resurrection wasn't it wasn't the way they portrayed it. He did come back, but he actually came back in the physical form.

John Davis 9:32
Yeah. Well, you know, can I talk about that please? Because I'll tell you when all those psychics were telling me about my past life, the second the second session was with the first reader, who told me I had two, two readings in a row with her, and it was the first psychic. She was the first psychic I've ever had a reading from, ever, because I was not into that, because I was a Catholic, right? It's a devil's work, right, right? So the second session was we actually did it on a beach in Cape and open state park in Delaware, and I. She's doing this thing. And all of a sudden her demeanor changed. She began a full channeling on the beach, and she says, Do you see me? And I knew she didn't mean see her. And I said, No, because I'm being defiant. Of course. She says, close your eyes and see, which sounds so antithetical to seeing, right? But I closed my eyes, and it was like my eyes opened up somewhere else. It was like, as I closed my eyes, I was having a full sensory awareness of being lying on my face in the sand, and my hands were down in front of me, and I looked down at my hands, and I could see things falling and hitting my hands. And I looked up, and right above me was feet. And I looked at the feet, and I looked upward, and Joshua was standing there laughing at me, right? Well, I had no idea what that moment was. Many years later, I had a full recollection of that moment. It was after he died on the cross. It was him physically standing in front of me. The reason I fell on my face is because I was seeing him in the physical, and I thought he was dead,

Alex Ferrari 11:03
Right as one would

John Davis 11:07
On your face, right? And he laughed at me, because what are you doing right now, when you look at the concept of the resurrection, if you study Hinduism at all, you're going to find story after story of gurus who project their consciousness and manifest their body, yes, and I think that's what Joshua did. I think that he he projected his consciousness elsewhere and then manifested His body around, which is why, in the Bible, when, when the ladies see him after the death of the first time, he says, Don't touch me. I'm not fully informed yet. Basically, he's still coming back into the physical

Alex Ferrari 11:36
And and so many people have said that that Jesus was a master yogi. Hmm, that he was a master yogi. He learned all the yogic in India, and he just evolved to a full blown master,

John Davis 11:50
Yeah. See what's interesting about to me. I think Yeshua studied all of it. And I think he, but I think he, he simplified it, he brought it down into a more simple form.

Alex Ferrari 12:01
He's the Bruce Lee. He is the Bruce Lee. Is the Bruce Lee of spirituality,

John Davis 12:05
Jeet Kune Do. He is the away

Alex Ferrari 12:08
Because he takes a little bit of the Kung Fu, karate, little bit of the judo, and put it all but the simple, the things that worked

John Davis 12:14
Right, right! And what was so interesting is, when I did had my regression, one of the things I came out of my regression with was, this one simple phrase. It was, it's all so simple we have a hard time comprehending it. And that simplicity itself becomes the struggle. Because what Joshua spoke of is the power within the kingdom of heaven is within you. Is your faith that heals you greater works than I've done. You will do. He talks about you having the power within but the hardest people that we Harden, not hardest people, the hardest thing that people have today is accepting their own divinity, right? Accepting that they are they have that power because they're told by religions. But both old and new, even New Age ideologies are putting things ahead of you to chase. It's all about this one present moment that you have being the moment that you have the ability to create anything, because you are a reflection of your belief. Your experience is a reflection of belief. Hinduism, the Bhagavad Gita says, thought by thought, you forge your destiny, therefore, to keep your mind on the positive rather than the negative, is considered the austerity of the mind. It's about that concept of thought by thought, because when Moses asked the burning bush what his name was, he said, I am that I am not. I will be, that I will be or I was, that I was, I am, that I am. Right. It's the present moment belief and the present moment declaration, but that declaration means that you have to be divine enough to declare, and most people don't declare because they believe that they're not worthy, which is what Christianity, a lot of religions will tell you, Original Sin. Original Sin, which is a third century addition to the Bible. It's not even biblical,

Alex Ferrari 13:51
Which we will get into, yes, yeah, Damn that Paul,

John Davis 13:51
Actually, that was Augustine. Who did that one? It was Augustine. Augustine did that. Yeah, Augustine added that in the third century, Paul added a bunch of junk too, which what he added was a bunch of Pharisaic beliefs, which was not what Yeshua taught at all.

Alex Ferrari 14:07
Well, really quickly, let's go back into that time period. So you know, Jeshua dies and then resurrects either way, whichever way you whatever way you believe. He finished. He finished at that time according to where it was. So he was crucified. It was 300 years later. It took hundreds of years, hundreds of years for his teachings to kind of gain speed. And then there was the Gnostics. And the Rosicrucians

John Davis 14:35
Rosicrucians came up through

Alex Ferrari 14:36
With the other ones, the Gnostics, the the

John Davis 14:36
There was a Coptic teachings

Alex Ferrari 14:36
Yeah, and then there was another thing. It was the Gnostics, but there might have been another group. There was a bunch of true believers who really stuck with the original teachings.

John Davis 14:52
Well, let's talk about that. Okay, okay, so all of the writings that we have be they gnostic, be they. A Biblical. Be they, scripture, be they. Paul's writings are documented to be somewhere between 70 and 200 years after the crucifixion, written by Greco Roman Christians with a messianic agenda to teach, to teach this belief in that Jesus was the Messiah I'm using, where Jesus purposely, here,

Alex Ferrari 15:15
Who came up with that idea?

John Davis 15:15
It wasn't until Paul,

Alex Ferrari 15:17
It was Paul. Paul someone to create the divine, the divine aspect,

John Davis 15:23
Absolutely. He says, he says, your your salvation is the death and resurrection of Jesus. And so he basically took some messianic ideas. Now, over the course of time, the various sects of Abraham and I'm gonna say it's an Abrahamic religion, Abrahamic religion, you know, be it via Judaism, Christianity, you know, and other various forms of Christianity, they all started saying they were the right way, right? And, and the cat, the word Catholic is a Greek word that means universal, means we are the only way, but Right, right? So crazy, but he but what's interesting about that is, they retroactively went back and took the stories and made them the universal church. So Peter, being the first Pope of the Catholic Church, there was no Catholic Church. And until, actually, officially, there wasn't a Catholic church, until the between the sixth and seventh century,

Alex Ferrari 16:18
really. Yeah, so we so what was it between 300 and 400, 500 what was

John Davis 16:23
Christianity

Alex Ferrari 16:23
It was Christianity was Christianity.

John Davis 16:24
It was Christianity. Christianity, the Catholic Church. The Catholic church went back and retroactively created this history to make them the universal church.

Alex Ferrari 16:30
But isn't the Catholic church just Rome?

John Davis 16:32
Well, yeah, so, so, well, I love that you brought that up. So cut Constantine. Constantine was, was formalizing this church and and they had many councils nicer being the first Nicaea, they started codifying what, what Christianity was, not Catholicism, but Christianity. And so to prove these stories were true, he sent his mother to the Middle East to find all the holy sites. This is Constantine. Constantine sent his mother. She went and she chose the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, where that is. She chose Mount Sinai. She chose all these places. And guess what else happened to her? She became the first saint of the Catholic Church. Shocking, yeah, Helena of Constantinople. Saint Helena of Constantinople. That's his mom, right? So he said, Mom. And mom went off and did all that. It's amazing. Now I it's funny. I'm an impact, very empathic kind of person. I feel things very clearly. And I, I went to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, and I'm walking through the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, and I'm not feeling a darn thing, right? And my the guy that I was traveling with, he, used to use me like a human barometer, because he know when I start to feel something, there's something about it. He says, Could John Come with me? I want to take you somewhere. He takes me out the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem, and we're walking down this and as I'm walking down this, I'm seeing like military vehicles and guys with machine guns on and I start getting nauseous, and I start weeping. I literally start crying as I'm walking down this road, and we turn this corner, and he says, let's go in here. And a little sign. It says, Garden Tomb. Do you know what the Garden Tomb is? So the British archeological society says that the Church of the Holy Sepulcher is wrong and that the actual crucifixion happened in this other area, which is the the the Garden Tomb. They found this tomb complex right next to a hillside that the locals called Golgotha, which means skull Hill, right, which is where the crucifixion happened. So as I'm getting closer and closer this, not knowing where I'm going, I start weeping. I start crying. I go into the place I see Golgotha, and I collapse, because it was just the feeling of it was so overwhelming. And then as we're right next to Golgotha is the tomb complex. Well, historically, Joseph of Arimathea buried Jeshua in his personal tomb, which was right next to Golgotha, where they found a wealthy man's tomb right next to Golgotha. And I'm walking down this staircase, and for some reason I can't turn my head to the right. I can't look that way. And I get to the bottom, and I finally glanced over, and it was like this flood of memories of carrying Joshua's body, that, literally, the three of us were carrying his body. And I don't remember putting it actually in the tomb, but there's just memories of that carrying him. So I walked into the tomb, and which many historians will tell you, Well, it's a medieval tomb. It's this, it's that. I don't, I don't care what they say. The feeling of it for me was this was very much a place where this happened. And I, I walked in, and it was very interesting, because you have, you have three slabs where bodies would have been laid out, and there's a hole in the wall that shines light on one. And there was a cross carved in the wall

Alex Ferrari 19:43
Very Raiders of the Lost Arc.

John Davis 19:47
As spikes were coming out of the wall. But what's so interesting was, when you read the actual historical text, when he was in the tomb, there was a light shining in on him, and that one slap. Had this light shining in through on him, which I thought was really interesting. I didn't even know that until later, when I when I found that, but so to me, when I look at we don't know a lot about the early story of Yeshua, because the stories that we're told nowadays are all based in messianic agendas. They want to make him a deity, they want to make him an idol. They want to make him something to pray to.

Alex Ferrari 20:21
So let's stop there for a second explain to people why they wanted to create this divine being that was as divine as all of us are, right, right, as he said himself, right? That always everything I can do you can do and more, right, exactly you know which goes complete like as I'm saying it I feel guilty because I'm Catholic, I'm to hell now I'm damned to hell now, because I said things like this, this whole conversation, we're damned to hell. I hate to tell you, but

John Davis 20:53
We can talk about hell too, because

Alex Ferrari 20:57
That's fascinating. There's a show I'm watching right now about ghosts. Ever seen ghosts? No, I haven't. Oh, my God, it's on CBS. It's genius, really. We'll talk about, okay, but it's not but there's hell in that, and it's brilliantly done. My question is, why were they creating an idol where Jesus or Yeshua? And we can talk about Jesus and Yeshua in a minute as well, why they needed to create a deity where, like a Buddha, who is followed by billions of people around the world, was never, to my understanding, never put up on the pedestal of a deity

John Davis 21:31
That would have been completely against Buddha ideology,

Alex Ferrari 21:36
Correct! Well, it was also against Jesus,

John Davis 21:38
Also against Krishnas and against Muhammad's as well.

Alex Ferrari 21:42
Yeah, they didn't want to be worshiped. They were there as examples of what can happen. So can you explain to people why the powers that be decided to use Jesus's story? Because he was arguably a nobody when he died, right?

John Davis 21:57
Right! No, yeah, he was crazy itinerant preacher, right? Who was speaking against not only religious authority, but but political authority.

Alex Ferrari 22:06
And there's one mention in the Roman archives of Jesus, one mention of like, and this dude named Jesus was crucified, right? That's it. That's the sentence, exactly, right. So he wasn't like, and Jesus Christ was like, none of that,

John Davis 22:19
And all of my regressive memories. I didn't hear one choir sing or any special light should turn on when he walked into a room.

Alex Ferrari 22:25
No, that's just us, sir, in our own mind. But can you explain to people why the powers that be decided to grab onto him and start pushing these ideas

John Davis 22:40
Well, it's actually a really fascinating historical story, because let me start with this quote from the Bible, from Joshua, supposedly, right? And everything in the Bible is hearsay, because it was all written so much later anyway. But he said, Before Abraham, was, I am. And people try to say he's trying to say he was existence, was God, and he was this Abraham at that time period was, was the, the representation of the Jude Judaic religion. When you said Abraham, you were talking about religion. So before Abraham was I am, before there was a religion, I am, what you have is you have a construct of people who are trying to marry this religion, which is very much about an external God, as opposed to God being within. And so it was their natural model of the time to to pray without pray outside of themselves and to look at idols, which is why the Old Testament talks about, you know, false idols and all this stuff. But it was the natural inclination of the time to actually look outside of themselves for something divine, to say something was divine within you was blasphemy and heresy. Of course, you're no one, because you're no one, and God is everything. Right? The struggle was that Yeshua came along and said, No, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Ye are gods. Greater works than I have done. You will do. It is your faith that heals you. He kept saying all these things that were so empowering to the individual, but that was completely against the idea of the religion and the construct of the time render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's right, that's saying, not only do you not need religious authority, you don't need political authority. He's literally saying, you know, what you think about this moment is the creative element of everything, and you are the pinpoint of creation. And when you look at it from that perspective, people couldn't grasp that concept. It was what we said earlier about people not being able to accept their own divinity. They could not accept their divinity in that time because they were told by not only the Roman authority but the religious authority that they were worthy and subjugated. And so they took that idea. Now, once you have these power structures of religion and social authority, what you find very quickly is that none of those work without without power, without giving them the power. And so they start manipulating the power, right? They start creating more and more this power about original sin, invented in the third century by Paul, by Augustine. Augustine was original sin, and I. Yeah, he took that moment and he he created original sin. Why do you have original sin?

Alex Ferrari 25:06
Because you got the chip stacked against you with the second you walk into the playing field.

John Davis 25:10
Yep. So now let's you already. Oh, so you're in debt. Original Sin leads you right into the first sacrament to in Catholicism, of course, it does, right? Yeah. But what is the first sacrament baptism Why are you doing that? Because we're going to save you from hell, which is a Christian construct, right? And you have to become a Catholic to be saved. So you get baptized into the Catholic faith. So the first thing is, you have a sin so that we can recruit you into the Catholic Church.

Alex Ferrari 25:38
Now stop there for a second. Okay? Baptism, the original purpose of baptism, to my understanding, was to get people away from animal sacrifices. And Jesus went to John at the Baptist and John's like, Hey guys, you don't need to be saved by you remember the whole thing when he flipped up the cards, the cards inside the temple and stuff. It was that big again. Please correct me if I'm wrong. To my understanding was this big kind of like scam that they were like, you need, the bigger the animal that you sacrifice, the richer you were, right, right? And they were selling you the animals and telling you, if you don't do it, you go to hell. So it was a great little hustle.

John Davis 26:17
Oh, yeah. And you know, what's interesting about baptism is there's no place in the Bible that Jesus does. Jeshua does a baptism. No, there's not one, right? But during that time period, the both the fair well, the Pharisees, the citizens and the Essenes, all were doing rituals. The other one, the Essenes, Essenes, they're all doing ritual bathing. Yeah, right. We go to Qumran, there's ritual bath chambers, right? And it's all about this, this, this ritual bathing to cleanse the spiritual soul. And that's what baptism was. Was this Judaic idea that you needed to cleanse the soul. And Jeshua said, Before Abraham was I AM, before there was a religion that you needed to bathe yourself. And but once again, it becomes this ritual of baptism into this faith, which now you've gone into the faith. So do we just run the gambit of sacraments for a second so, and

Alex Ferrari 27:09
Then I'll tell you my sacrament, my my confirmation.

John Davis 27:12
Oh, good. Okay, it's amazing. Okay, so we have, now you've now you've become a Catholic. Before you even had a chance to choose you've been baptized into the face, absolutely right. You get to first communion, the next sacrament, and they go, Hey, let's make sure that this Catholicism thing is fun. Let's have a big party and throw some ice cream and eat some cake and and do something cool in the church, so that we all know that this is good for this little kid. Then you get to the age of reason, which is about 13, which in Judaism would be the bar mitzvah, the Bat Mitzvah. In Catholicism, it's confirmation.

Alex Ferrari 27:47
Not nearly as cool of a party, not nearly as cool as a party. It's a much cooler party.

John Davis 27:51
Yeah, you gotta you get a new name, though, which is kind of cool,

Alex Ferrari 27:54
Which I'll tell you about, right?

John Davis 27:56
So, but right at the time where you start to have cognitive reasoning, they come in and they say, you have to confirm your faith in Catholicism. They literally tell you, this is you have to confirm before you can think too much. Confirm. Then you go into the next one, which is marriage, the sacrament marriage. But there's a, there's a, there's a twin to the sacrament of marriage. There's the holy orders. I didn't know what sound Yeah. So here's what happens. Is, if you have inclinations for the opposite sex, you are supposed to get married and have children with original sin to start that cycle again. If you don't have inclinations for the opposite sex, you have received the Holy Orders, and you are to become a nun or a priest, lovely. So the people who don't have the inclination for the opposite sex get funneled into the priesthood, and what do we have now? All this, all these stories,

Alex Ferrari 28:46
Issues, issues, right?

John Davis 28:49
But you know, if God is love, like the book of John says, which, by the way, is best darn book in the Bible. Thank you. Wow, if God is love, then love in any form can't be wrong. So this idea that that they're told, if they don't love the opposite sex, that they have to be funneled into the is antithetical to the teachings of Joshua all the way, because God is love. So, but this so now you got that. Then after those two rituals, those two sacraments, you have the last rites. Right now, the last rites became a really big thing in the Middle Ages, oh yeah, because it was all about saying, Hey, if you don't give us your money, you're going to hell. And so on. The last people, they would funnel money into the church, and that's why the churches today have gold everywhere. So talk about the Vatican. Yeah, it's crazy, really. So what you see here is starting with baptism. It all it is, is a cycle of recruitment and a cycle of profiteering. And Joshua said before Abraham was I AM, which means none of this theology, which wasn't actually in the Bible, this is all Christian theology or Catholic theology. Yeah, you know, hundreds of years later that are added in, that would be the idolization of him, that they're making money off the the him being the idol.

Alex Ferrari 30:11
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John Davis 31:28
Him being the the golden calf, as it were, golden, of course,

Alex Ferrari 31:33
Of course. So just, I've said this story before, but it bears repeating because I haven't told you this story in my confirmation story. So I'm in Catholic Church, and I'm already, let's say, off the reservation. Have been for a minute, even though I was going to Catholic school at the time, I was just like, this makes no sense tonight. Even said, yeah, and adding the teenage stuff, then it's over. So I hear, like, my mom's like, you have to be confirmed. I'm like, what? What's what? Yeah, you have to get confirmed. You have to do this, and that you have to go to class. I'm like, whatevs, okay, sure, let's do it. And so we go into it, and then during the time, like the nun turns to me, she's like, we all get to choose our names. I'm like, I'm sorry, what? Yeah, you get to choose your name, and it's announced at the confirmation. I'm like, excellent. So then my friends are like, you won't do it. I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna do it. I was in eighth grade, oh, you're gonna do it. I'm like, so I write my name, my my religious confirmation name, where the priest has to recite it on front of the entire congregation. By by, by Divine Law, you must read it. And I'm sitting there, and the other one was like, and my friend before was like, Abraham, blah, blah, blah, or, you know, and they chose these real biblical names, and they get to me, and you see the priest, just go, like, you could start seeing him, and he goes, Bartholomew Humperdinck, Bartholomew and my, my whole class, start peeing themselves justice and that. And you see the parents, his face is like, and I'm dying, and it was just the greatest Bartholomew Humperdinck. Oh, I just thought it was the most amazing name ever.

John Davis 31:34
Oh, that's amazing. I was boring. I took my grandfather's name. Yeah, John Charles James Davis.

Alex Ferrari 31:34
I had fun with it. I had some fun with it

Speaker 1 31:51
That is perfect, though. But you know what I love about that, though, is they don't realize that you were, you were living Jeshua's teachings in that moment. And you know why? Because Jeshua is about being present and fearless. And there's only one moment in life that you're both present and fearless, and it's when you're truly laughing. And when you're truly laughing, you're not thinking about your past, you're not thinking about your future, right there in that moment, and you're exhaling, which is the release of fear. So you're being completely present and fearless. So that laughter You gave, you probably gave more God in that moment. I never thought about that. Well, you know, it's, it is so interesting, because that moment of laughter itself, there's, I'm getting goosebumps talking about it, because that is, that is what Yeshua felt like, yeah, that's what he taught and that's, that's what he was showing us was available within you, and you took that even though you're it was a great joke, and I loved it, and thank you for sharing cheers. It gave me a chance to have that feeling as well, right here in the studio, because that moment of laughter was actually the teaching.

Alex Ferrari 34:33
And Jeshua had a pretty good sense of humor.

John Davis 34:35
Huge sense of humor. Most of, most of my regressive memories of Jeshua are of laughter of him and his wife.

Alex Ferrari 34:41
Well, that was, that was, and we'll talk about that. We're gonna be here for hours. That was the one thing that when we went over to Europe and we started going to all these museums and stuff, it's like, every time you see Jesus, it's just so depressing, oh yeah, it's constantly he's bleeding, he's on the crucifix, he's He's like, he's, uh. All the time. Every once in a while we'd see like, oh, look, Jesus smiling. Yeah, it was such a rare thing. They just kept using this iconography

John Davis 35:10
Iconography and idolatry. Yeah, sure, the idol of Christianity has become the cadaver on the wall. That's all he is. Yeah, it's a cadaver on the wall. And why would you wear a cross representing his death and horrific torture, as opposed to his laughter, his joy, his feeling, right? I remember, like I said, lots of laughter, and I remember him playing with children. Oh, I'm sure, because children are, you know, coming here, flying here to come meet you. I was in the airport, and I was sitting there at the gate, and this woman walked by with a really surly look on her face, and you can just see she was in a bad mood. And right as she gets by me, I see her spot, a little girl who's just cute as can be, and and I watched this surly person break into a smile, and I'm like, that's that's so beautiful, because, you know, in the Bible it says you must become as a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. Children don't have a past to live into or express from. So they are just the purest essence of what God is.

Alex Ferrari 36:14
It's closer to, yeah, the source than we are.

John Davis 36:17
Yeah, just like, just like animals, pet, you know, puppies and kit kittens. You know, we get giggly, empathic people are usually surround themselves as animals because they feel the unconditional love as opposed to the conditions they feel from others. But this woman saw this little girl, she instantly fell into this experience of this little girl. But then she passed her and she went back to her surliness, and her face went back to being a scowl and a little furrow between her eyebrows, and it was so interesting to me, because the purity of that moment was lost on her, because this is what I call being a reaction zero instead of an action hero, right? You're having this experience of life where you're processing from the stimulus of your past experience, and then you see one moment that's just pure and present, and you don't even realize you're doing it, you're having that experience. And you know, Jeshua was all about the laughter, because that was where you found that pure experience of that little girl. You know, that pure experience? And you know, I did a painting a while back. It's called Jeshua and ishti. And ishti. It's also called man and wife. There's two different titles on it, but it was the memory of him having his wife, Amari, and he called her ishti In one of my regressions. And the only reason I refer to his wife is because the word ishti in Hebrew means wife. So he referred to his wife, but the painting I did was the two of them laughing, because I did not want to have that somber look

Alex Ferrari 37:45
The cadaver on the wall,

John Davis 37:47
The cadaver on the wall. It's the idol of the cadaver on the wall. And to me, when I look at Joshua, I think of this man who laughed, who expressed, who loved. He came to the Samaritan woman at the well, and he didn't judge her for being a Samaritan, which would have happened from a Jewish man. He didn't judge her for being a woman, which would have happened coming from a Jewish man. He didn't, in any way, shape or form, care that he was traveling on the Sabbath, which is against Judaic law, right? And then he told her everything she ever did, which is basically a psychic reading, which is against Leviticus, right? He did everything opposite of what they said he could do, because he was loving that person no matter what they were, who they were, what they who they loved, anything. He was just being the pure love in that moment. And that's what got expressed. This woman got so excited. She ran around town, saying, Come see the man who told me everything I ever did. She literally had a feeling of what Pure Love was, you know what? In my very first regression, I'm walking towards the crowd where he was, and I could feel his presence. I could feel and you hear it in my regression. If you go, if you anybody's watching this, you go to my channel, there's a video called two moments from my regression on there. One of them is the moment I met Yeshua, and the moment I crossed over when he touched me. And then there's the moment of witnessing him on on the cross, witnessing crucified. And I'm going to warn any of you who watched that video that that if you watch that video, the second part of it, you're going to hear me screaming and hear me crying and going through the watching my friend being crucified. But the first part of feeling his presence as you came up, the more fearless you are, the more in the teachings of Jeshua you are, in the way you are, because the Buddha says the secret to enlightenment is the eradication of fear. And the Sufi say the veil between you and God is your fear, and your life is the struggle against the veil, and you can overcome the veil. Well, that's what Joshua did. He just lived President fearless at all times, and you could feel it from this, from him, and that's what that child did in the airport with that little girl. But I mean that girl did with with that woman, she felt the presence.

Alex Ferrari 39:53
So I mentioned before that Rome didn't fall it just turned into the. Yeah, more. And I said this before. I'll say it again when I was at the Vatican, first time in my life I just it, just for it. Maybe I'm dense, but I'd never put together Roman Catholic church that was from Rome. I don't know why I never connected Rome with the Roman Catholic Church.

John Davis 40:22
I get it because I grew up with an Irish mother, so we were the Irish Church, the Irish Catholic.

Alex Ferrari 40:28
Yeah, so I just never connected Roman Catholic. And then, as I've spoken to many Rome experts and mystics and other people in that in the historical space, how Rome all the money that Rome just that just kind of rolled it over into the IRA. That is, yeah, the Roth IRA

John Davis 40:46
Created the Vatican City for all kinds of political tax reasons.

Alex Ferrari 40:50
Yeah, again, they're the smallest, they're the smallest, smallest, smallest country in the world. And complete power, complete power. They run Italy. Still, let me It's insane.

John Davis 41:00
Can I tell you a story? This is going back to my when I was an altar boy,

Alex Ferrari 41:06
You got out alive.

John Davis 41:07
I got out alive, and I wasn't even, never mind, we'll leave that story. But my mom, of course, with her master's degree in liturgy, was we were very, very Catholic, and as an altar boy, you know, I had to toe the line. Well, my mom was also the organist and the choir director at church, so she played the organ for all of the masses on the weekends. So I was going to be the the altar boy at the nine o'clock Mass on Sunday morning. And I woke up late and, oh no, I read, oh, I ran upstairs, and I wolfed down a bowl of Cheerios, and I ran out the back of my house. I threw my bike over the back fence because that was the fastest way to get to the church. And I pedaled my butt off all the way to the church, and got to the church, and I walked on into the back, and the priest looked at me over his glasses on a disapprovingly and I was the only one. There was three otter boards there that day, and I was the only one who knew how to set everything up. So they're all waiting for you. They're all waiting for me. I run in and I start doing everything. Start getting everything up. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Get stressed out because I'm late. I know I'm in trouble. The priest just gave me, and the priest was my mom's best friend, of course, right? So I'm like, oh, stressed out. They take us around to the back. We process in from the back. I'm carrying the cross, right? And we walk all the way the front. We sit down, start during the service. So then my brother does what my brother was on the altar, doing the readings. He does the reading, does the second reading. Then comes time for the sermon, right? And you have to stand for the sermon. Yes, I know. So I'm standing I'm standing there on the altar, and the lights are shining down on me, and I start to sweat, and I start to get this water filming in the back of my mouth, and I start to feel my Cheerios start to erupt. And I'm standing there and I'm like, trying not to, not to vomit on the altar, and I'm sitting there and I and it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse, and I know I'm not, I can't puke on the altar. That's terrible. It's a horrible thing to have happen. You're gonna go to hell. If that happens, like, straight on through, you're going to hell, right? And so what did I do? I felt I started to throw up, and I caught the upcoming attraction in my hands, and I'm holding this in my hands, and now I'm standing on the altar with a handful of Cheerios, okay, right? And I'm looking around. I'm like, what do i Anyone seen? Oh, yeah, everyone saw. Oh, everyone's seen that you threw up in your hand. Everyone saw, okay? And I'm like, I'm like, What do I do with this? And I look back and the door was behind me, so I was able to back through into the sacristy, throw this. I'm like, 13, I know, right? I throw that out. And I lost the rest of my my lunch, breakfast out into the bushes. Got all cleaned up. Mass ended. Oh geez, wow, man, this is a heck of a day. Mass ended. Priest came back, read me the raft of of litany of that should not have eaten one hour before Mass. Should not have been late for mass today. Started laying all that out to me right now, opposed to the empathy, the empathy so, so get this. So here my brother witnesses this, on this, on the he's sitting there on the on the altar, and this woman gets up in the from the first row, first pew, walks up to him. She says, Excuse me, but that young man over there is very sick, and he you need to help him. And my brother looked over just in time to watch me catch it right. And he's like, right. All that happens. No one comes to help me. I go out through the back. My brother gets up and goes over after the sermon is done, the priest sits for a reflective silence. Of course, my brother sits next to him, and he whispers, he says, John just threw up. And the priest says, where? He says, in his hand. And the priest said, Good, right now I don't blame my brother or the priest for acting that way, because that was. A doctrine that they were, they were indoctrinated into. But God showed up that day. God showed up when she said that young man is sick because she was the one doing the loving thing. She was the one Yeshua thing. Yeah, she does Yeshua thing. She was being the way, the truth and the life of love. And so when I look at that story now, I don't blame my brother, I don't blame the police. I don't blame the church. I i Look at that beautiful woman who stood up and said that young man is sick and he needs our love. Wow. So that, to me, is just the the representation of what Jeshua meant,

Alex Ferrari 45:38
Beautiful man. That was a great story. That's a very, very good, very graphic, but

John Davis 45:38
I can bring up puking up here.

Alex Ferrari 45:39
Yes, very nice that you snuck that in. So, so going back to Rome, turning into the Catholic Church. So Yeshua dies, yes. And then we're talking about 300 years plus for the council, Council of nice 325, something like that, right? And that's Constantine. Constantine who decided, hey, we need to grab power, because there's too many Christians running around. Yep. And we're in it was from, it went from throwing the Christians to the lions to Now, if you're not Christian, you'll get thrown to the lions, right?

John Davis 46:10
And one of the people who was throwing the Christians to the lions was Paul.

Alex Ferrari 46:14
We're gonna get to senior, senior Paul in a minute. Senior Paul, senior Paul in a minute. Paulo, Paulo in a minute. So Constantine gets console consultancy, and they bring every story together that's that's known at the time, and they start to create Christianity as we know it, right, right? This is, and I'm saying this for people who have not heard this before, because it blew my mind when I first heard Yeah, and I'm like, so wait a minute. It was basically by committee, literally by committee. So that books in, that books out. Oh, I don't like that reincarnation thing. Let's pull that out. What's the Book of Enoch? Yeah, let's not gonna, oh, Mary Magdalene is the wife. We can't have that. Let's turn her into a whore, yeah? Because that's what that which is not biblical at all, which we have to we could do that because we can't have women with too much power

John Davis 47:01
Because of Paul

Alex Ferrari 47:02
Right! So then, so when did Paul insert himself? What year?

John Davis 47:07
Well, it's, it's very interesting, because Paul's writings are the ones who are. They're not actually scriptures. They're letters, right? But we call them scriptures now.

Alex Ferrari 47:16
He's not an apostle. Can we let everybody know Paul is not steal from Peter to pay Paul. That whole thing. Apparently, Peter Not a fan.

John Davis 47:23
The Peter not a fan. Well, let's talk about that for a second, because you're talking about Rome. You know, in the Gnostic text, it says the disciples say to Joshua, who do we go to when you're gone? And in the Gnostic text, Yeshua says, go to my brother James. He doesn't say Peter, right. Never says Peter, right? But what happens is, at the crucifixion, Joshua Jeshua goes to the cross knowing he's dying, but he also knows that he has shared a truth, and that if you can spread that truth, and people start to believe in that truth, then what will happen is it'll grow right? So what does he do? He says, Peter, you go to Rome. John, you go to Turkey. James, you stay here. He took the information and he spread it out, got it wide. Well, Peter went to Rome. For Peter to be the first Pope of the Christian church. He has to be the next one, the rock upon which we will build this church. So Rome grabbed a hold of Peter and said he is our first pope, which was a retroactive addition, and they just started moving the seed of power of Christianity to Rome itself, because that's where, that's where it was. Now this all happened much later. Nicaea was the beginning of the of the doctrines being pulled together. The people who were at Nicaea after Nicaea were the ones who compiled the books, but they got doctrine to start creating a book. They create the Codex Sinaiticus. They create several other Codex Vaticanus, and all these various versions. There's multiple versions of the original.

John Davis 48:56
And we'll talk about King James in a minute.

John Davis 48:57
Yeah, yeah. I have a lot to say about him, but, but this idea of Nicaea being the one place where they chose the books, it was the one where they that's where they started choosing books. That's where they started the process of creating a Bible.

Alex Ferrari 49:14
There was a book of by Mary Magdalene. There was a gospel of Mary Magdalene. There was a gospel of the Judas. Yeah, there was a ton of gospels that just got

John Davis 49:21
Pushed out because they didn't match various doctrines, and they didn't match the Abrahamic idea of an external God that we must be subjugated to, because the Jesuit teachings were not about being subjugated to a God. They were about the power within. And so by starting to codify this into a group. Now Paul was a very interesting critter, shall we say? Senior Pablo. Pablo. I like Pablo better in palace. He, he never met Joshua in life, right? He had a vision on the way to on the road to Damascus, supposedly, he declared himself to be the apostle to the Gentiles. He declared himself, declared himself to be the apostles and Gentile. The Gnostic gospel of James calls him the liar. Literally calls him the liar. And prior to his vision, he was traveling the country as a Pharisee punishing Christians for being Christian, right? So this was, he was this guy didn't have a good track record. One of the things that said about him in the Gnostic scriptures is that he was a, kind of like a chameleon. He would change his story for whoever he was talking politician. Yeah, it was a politician, exactly. He ended up living with Governor, Governor Felix, a Roman governor for many, many years. He was the only one who was the actual Roman citizen. So he was very much tied into Rome and its authority during that time. And then when Rome starts to lean into the teachings and the right and what yours is, Paul, well, this was supposedly he, supposedly he had his vision within a couple years of of the crucifixion. Oh, but the writings don't come around until 50 to 70 years later,

Alex Ferrari 51:13
Right! And they're not incorporated into the doctrine until the 300 so, way past Paul,

John Davis 51:16
Way past Paul well, so then we come to now. Now Rome has taken control of the Bible content, right? And we have the 50% of the New Testament is Luke and Paul, right? Luke being number one. Luke never met Joshua in life. Luke was Paul's disciple, right? So 50% of the New Testament is all Paul writings. Then there's these letters to Timothy and all that stuff. Timothy was Paul's disciples. So these are letters from Paul to Timothy. So it's all Paul everything's Paul the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. None of them actually had the names Matthew Mark, Luke or John attributed them until much later. All of them were written anonymously, and so and so,

Alex Ferrari 52:03
Which we could estimate that it could have been all Paul or Paul

John Davis 52:05
It could totally have been Paul. But they also Scott scholars agree that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, especially, Matthew Mark and Luke are coming from the same source text, because they're using the same terminologies, the same thing. So so they know that they're probably coming from this other text, and then breaking them out into these three different doctrines, John being the most esotericist, they're not going to find a lot of correlation with that one. But it also was written anonymously. You know, he never says John. He says that the the disciple that Jesus loved is what he's referred to himself. So when you look at the texts that were that were actually chosen, Matthew Mark and Luke lean into the virgin birth, which was not nothing Joshua ever said happened, yeah, the whole virgin birth, virgin birth thing. And then you look at the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church pushes out. Now they put out the red letter versions. These are the things that Jesus said, right? And I say every time I talk Rhodes and I talk, I say Jesus as opposed to Joshua, because it's not, I don't think it's the same person. I think it's very different. It's a caricature. But what I like about this, this construct of these red letter versions, is that there's huge portions of these red letter versions that supposedly happened when nobody else was around but Joshua. So who wrote it down? Who actually took it and wrote it down? Because Yeshua never did right? When he battled with the devil in for 40 days and nights, that whole story, no one was there except for him and the devil, supposedly right. So, where do these

John Davis 53:40
Are you saying the devil wrote it? He's the only other guy.

John Davis 53:40
We'll get into the devil too. Boy, I go that down that route because that's actually historically fascinating.

Alex Ferrari 53:50
Oh, no, we'll get there. Okay, so anyway, we will get there.

John Davis 53:52
So, so the so the Rome took this whole thing and said, Look, we have all these rules, doctrines that subjugate people to our authority that we have. We have these new ideas that that, that we have this image of the Cross, which is really ridiculous, that they chose that because the cross was a Roman punishment, yes. So why would they choose that? You know, and and then that what they did was they just started saying, these are what you have to believe, and these have to believes. And the reason I say, have to believe. I had a guy one time, and I asked him very specifically this question, very devout Catholic. And I said to him, I said, So can I ask you a question? I said, the books that didn't make it into the Bible, are they just as valid as the ones that did? And he says, no, no. I said, why not? He says, because I have to believe that God's hand was in the choosing, but that's ridiculous, but he has to believe who says he has to the church, right? The church is the one who says he has to,

Alex Ferrari 54:53
Yeah, people believe that it fell down from the sky. Yeah? Leather bound, and everything ready to go like that. That's not the case.

John Davis 55:01
And what's really interesting is the Codex Sinaiticus, when they founded a saint Catherine's monastery in Egypt, every page had edits, and not just for grammar, for contact, content, context.

Alex Ferrari 55:14
It's one of those books that it's one of those books that we could talk about the old in a minute, but the the New Testament. It's, it's just this jam packed book of stories, second hand, third hand, fourth hand, stories, yeah, some made up. Some not made up. Yeah, it's hearsay, you know, like you said, Jesus was the only one in the who wrote this story. And you know, who wrote this he's

John Davis 55:39
The Bible literally says that Peter and John were illiterate. Well, that doesn't help. So how did John write that?

Alex Ferrari 55:47
And how? The thing is also that, you know, from my understanding, yes, one never wrote anything down. He didn't have a doctrine, right? He didn't write that any stuff. In fact, he was anti doctrine, right? He was anti dogma. He's anti all that, yeah. But then when you, when you come up to a more recent master like Yogananda, he wrote The Autobiography of a Yogi right? You know, that's his words, right? That's not 400 other people trying to grab stories of his life, putting it together.

John Davis 56:15
And, you know, I Jeshua came. Jeshua was a man who found this divinity, as was Yogananda, as everybody on this wall, you know Swami Narayan, who I'm just a big fan of, when you, when you and Swami Ariane was also very recent in historical context. Yes, you know the vaca num root was their interview of of him in real time. But what I find interesting is that is that finding the divinity is found in all of these religions and ideas, but all of them are talking about, there is no doctrine, there is no dogma. And what's happening now, I think, personally, and I would never judge anybody for their beliefs, but I think a lot of the New Age ideologies are just creating new doctrines and dogmas.

Alex Ferrari 56:15
I would agree with you, yeah. I live in this space, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm here all the time in a new age space. And the 60s was when the New Age Movement arguably started.

John Davis 57:09
That's when, when it came to a table. The word new age comes from out of the Theosophical Society of the early 1900s

Alex Ferrari 57:14
Right! The theological, I guess you're right. The theological, uh, philosophical, theosophical, I could never, yeah,

John Davis 57:20
I have that same problem.

Alex Ferrari 57:21
Society did start. They came up with the concept of the Ascended Master. They came up with a lot of things,

John Davis 57:28
But they they reintroduced tarot,

Alex Ferrari 57:30
Right! They really were the source of the New Age Movement. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Thank you for correcting me. But the 60s is when they a lot of pH Aquarius, yeah, all this kind of stuff started coming out. Great, great song, and it started to kind of bubble up and and then, you know, your sign and the Zodiac and all this stuff been around forever, but it really started to public get up there. But as I've noticed throughout the decades, 60s, 70s, 80s, I've been, I've been into this stuff since I was a kid, right? I've been studying this stuff. You know, all the classic guys, classic in my world, at least, whether Deepak, Wayne Dyer, I studied it all, even Tony Robbins, that spiritual. But it was, you know what I mean, but there's a spiritual element to him. There's no question. I would love to have a spiritual conversation with Tony Robbins one day. I think that would be amazing. I'd like to talk to Jim Carrey myself. Jim's on my list. Jim's so on my list. I would love to talk to Jim and Matthew McConaughey. So in the New Age world, I've kind of seen it start to add its own dogmas into it, like you can't do this. You can't so I get it from all angles. I get it from the dogmatic religions and people who are dogmatic about their belief system. And then I also have of their religious belief systems. But then I'm also, I also get hit with comments from people who are dogmatic in the new age, oh, absolutely in all aspects. So you can't say this, you can't do this, you can't do this. And the thing that I find fascinating about the whole picture is that everyone's ego has to say that we are the only way right where I'm always lead all roads leap to Rome. Sorry, all roads lead to the same destination. Yeah, you can't tell me that a billion Buddhists, a billion Hindus and a billion Catholics are all the only way,

John Davis 59:27
Right, right! Well, you know, I love, I love that, that that concept, because I often say that a religion is like being on a train track. Yeah, you will only see out the window of the track they they chose to put you on. Yeah, right. But when you get above and you realize they're all on a track, on attracting to the same destination, is when you start to realize that there is beauty in all of it. It's just different flavors of the same message, and the more you it's funny, because I did a study many years ago, back in the in the early 2000 where I just started reading all of these ancient texts, the Bible, the Torah, the Quran, by the. And all of it. But I did something really interesting. I read it twice. Read them all twice. The first time I read it with what I call the love goggles on, and I read the parts that were just lovely when I and I started seeing all of the hater or the division, like in the Old Testament, you know, this town wiped out that town, and God was with his army that was all fear based. So I, I just stayed with the love. What does it read? The loving parts? I read the loving parts of all of them. They all say the same thing, yes. Then you put the fear goggles on and you start reading from fear aspect. They all say something different. The fear is where the dogma lies. The fears fear. Dogma is fear. Dogma is fear. And the New Age movements are leaning into various dogmas as well, and one of the dogmas that they're leaning into right now is vegetarianism. And they you know, you have to be a vegetarian to be spiritual. You know, there, there is no reason to be a vegetarian, or unless you want to be. It's a choice. You know, when you look at another, get out of spirituality for a slight second and bring it back to it. Einstein said that everything we're looking at in this room is atomic energy in motion, correct? Over 90% of it is empty space, and the other 5% is the energy in motion. So when we look at this wall of all these beautiful statues and things here, and that's all made of atoms, right, but the air between us is atoms, and so is our eyes. So every you know this concept that we are one with God comes back to this idea that this energy around us is God. We are in the in the image of God. When you go back and you look at all of these texts from these perspectives, and you and you come at it from the perspective that God is love and that fear can be overcome, like the Buddha said, what you find very quickly is that you know the world is made of love, made of this energy, and the fog of fear hides the room from us. But what Jeshua told you to do was to look down and realize your hand was on the knob of the fog machine, and you could turn it up, or you could turn it down, right? And that idea of fear. So if you talk about the teachings of Joshua, fear itself is only an emotional reaction to the present moment, but it's always an emotional reaction to your past experience or an expectation of something negative, absolutely. So all, all it really is, is letting go of the reaction in the moment, reaction to fear, which is the fight or flight response. We suck a bunch of air into our lungs, and we hold it to fight or fight in a flight or fight, but when we allow ourselves to simply exhale and come back to that natural state, you know when, when you're outside on a cloudy day, the sun's still up there? Yes, if the clouds obscure the view the sun is, is God or the universe? Night? At night, the sun is still up? Yes, exactly. It's always there, right? In fact, the reason we see a mood is because the sun shining on it, right, right. So it comes down to fake news, sir. But go ahead, yeah, I know what was I thinking.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:58
There is no moon. Obviously a government can

John Davis 1:03:02
And this is completely flat.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:04
Come on, all the comments are going to come in. Sorry, sorry about the Earth is flat. Obviously, when I go outside, it looks straight.

John Davis 1:03:13
Anyway, anyway. But so, so, you know, Rome took these ideas of self empowerment and self divinity, and said, Well, I don't have any Rome said, I don't have any power. If they have divine power within themselves, right? That's a problem. So they have to create the asset of fear, the fear of not getting to heaven, the fear of burning in hell, the fear of of being ostracized by your community. I can't tell you how many, how many Mormons I've met my life who are just beautiful, lovely people. Yes, they agreed. But whenever you hear the story of them trying to leave that church, oh no, it's a terrible many on the show. It's a horrible, horrible thing, right? That, that idea that you that it is the only way, and our train is the only one you're allowed to ride and look out the window of, right? That that has created the division in the world when the when the Christians said that Joshua was the only way they said the rest of the world was wrong, but, but Joshua never said that, never, he never said that. And only 30% of the people in the world are Christian, the other 70% are all wrong.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:20
I was saying that when I was a kid. It's crazy in Catholic school. So wait a minute, I don't even know what Buddhism is at the time, right? I'm like, I've heard of this Buddhist thing, and there's, like, at least a billion, at least, if not more,

John Davis 1:04:33
And Hindu,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:34
And then Hindus and Confucianism.

John Davis 1:04:37
And, you know, but I, you know, I think that we are, that we are moving into a more beautiful world because of of the processes we've been going through. Yeah, when you look at the Abrahamic line, you've got Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and then you have behind, what's behind, behind comes out of Iran, right? And then what's checked. Is that so Judaism, when you read the Torah, there's all these horrific stories of vengeance. And is that basically the Old Testament? Yeah, is it exact? It's close. It's been altered because of oceanity. And a lot of Christianity because of the concept of creating the prophecy of Jesus, they go back and retroactively change the Old Testament to prove it was him

Alex Ferrari 1:05:26
Before you continue. Would you agree that those two books have nothing to do with nothing with each other whatsoever, and the God that Jesus talks about has nothing to do

John Davis 1:05:36
In the Old Testament says God is vengeful and jealous, and the New Testament says God is love.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:41
So that how this like, what? Go ahead, yeah.

John Davis 1:05:42
So, yeah, exactly. What is the best way to answer that? Or say so? So you look at Judaism, it's got all this war and anger and hate and division. Then you come into Christianity, and they say God is love and he compassionate and the shepherd and all this stuff. Then you so, so and, but they say he is the only way, right then the next in the Abrahamic line is Islam, and Islam says that Jeshua was a prophet and that Muhammad is the next Prophet and the last prophet. So he is the only way now. So now they've created these two divisions, and they couldn't ignore Yeshua. They couldn't ignore him. And they said, and they said, and they believe he's going to return, and they believe he's going to do everything said about him. And the Islam actually says that both Jews, Christians, with Islam, they're all going to heaven because they're all praying to the same God. They actually say that right then you get into the Baha'i Faith, and by faith, to me, is fascinating because Bahai believes that Joshua was a prophet. Muhammad was a prophet, but Buddha was a prophet, and Krishna was a prophet. And it goes through all of these other texts saying that, but they believe bahala is the Prophet after Muhammad, bahala the holy figure of the Baha'i Faith, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:07:01
He's just another prophet.

John Davis 1:07:02
He's just the next Prophet in line, right? But they what's interesting to me, when I look at this from the from the 3000 mile back perspective, you've got this really hateful, vengeful sort of beginning, and this inclusive, loving, beautiful experience. Now, it still has its dogma, it still has all its issues,

John Davis 1:07:16
And is he the only one as well? You know? You know, I don't think so. At the end,

John Davis 1:07:24
I because, I because they do offer that Buddha and all these other Are all prophets, that there's lots of Prophets, right? So I think it's a much more inclusive ideology, but there's still dogma. Zoroastrian

Alex Ferrari 1:07:39
Another, another prophet, yeah.

John Davis 1:07:42
Zoar, right. So when you look, when you look at the this, this, this shift, you're seeing this very fear based, too much more loving at the other end of the Abrahamic line, you know, I think that the world is is slowly becoming into a more beautiful place. We're becoming more conscious. It's more much more conscious. But when you turn a ship at sea, a cargo ship full of stuff at sea, you turn the wheel, and it takes miles for that front end to come around, right? We're not in a speed boat. But well, here's the cool thing. We turned the wheel a long time ago, and we can prove right now that the We Are Coming to a more lovely where I met your beautiful, beautiful daughter out here earlier. Lovely, beautiful, lovely girl, very clear, very open, very, very honest. You could just see within her, she was like, I'm going to talk to whoever I want to talk to, and she's just going to be here. And she was lovely, right? Thank you. She probably wasn't in any way shape or form racist, homophobic, right? Because none of the kids coming up are my son's 22 years old. He from the time he was in in kindergarten coming up, none of his class, no racism, no homophobia, no gender bias that they're they're all just

Alex Ferrari 1:08:54
They're they're definitely made of different stuff than

John Davis 1:08:56
Because we turned the ship a long time ago, and they're the product of what we've told them

Alex Ferrari 1:09:00
And their and their product is going to be

John Davis 1:09:03
Amazing. It's amazing, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:09:05
But it's a slow process, and we're going through

John Davis 1:09:08
And within that construct of their belief there is no external power that can grab it and take it, which is what Rome did,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:16
And that's why there's so much struggle right now. That's why they're so all these institutions, government institutions, medical, media, yeah, all of it is starting to crumble.

John Davis 1:09:25
And you notice when you watch it, they're all calling each other names and all this stuff, right? Well, that's the definition of slander. Socrates said, when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser, right? When the debate is lost. They know they're losing that's why they're getting loud. That's why they're calling names, because they have nothing actually logical to say against love, because love is logical, right? We all want to be loved in some form. We all want to live in a loving world, and without the constructs and confines of of the subjugation of a church or. Or even a new age ideology, right? I was supposed to speak at another event soon, and everything was all planned. We were all working towards it, and I got an email a couple days ago that said, Oh, I'm sorry. We can't have you speak because you won't promote vegetarianism and you won't promote Jesus being in a scene. And they literally told me I was no longer invited to their program because I wasn't going to teach their doctrines and dogmas. And I was like, okay. My answer to them was, okay, they're allowed to believe what they believe.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:30
John, I've been vegetarian for 13 years. Yeah, vegan. Vegetarian more. I loosened up. I'm more vegetarian than anything. What did we tell you when my wife and I were telling you when you go to, when you if you want to eat some really good meat? Yeah, you told me where to go. You got to go to Salt Lick, right, right? And that's great Texas barbecue, right? I'm not, I promise you, when I started being a vegan, oh, I was a bad vegan, yeah, oh, I'd be like, you need to change. You become a prophet of like, you know, you I must convert everyone, right? Because my ego was like, this is the way. It was fascinating to see to life. Through my years, I started really like, I can't this is not my place, right? They have a path to walk. I have a path to walk Exactly. It is just my choice to do so, and it's your choice.

John Davis 1:11:18
My next door neighbors, they're in their 80s, they're completely plant based. Yeah, they thrive. Sure, I was a vegan for two years. I was never sicker, weaker or colder,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:28
And for everybody is different. I think everybody's everyone has different setups to get down to that road.

John Davis 1:11:33
But right now, a lot of a lot of the New Age gurus are all pushing this, this vegan idea, as a dogma. You have to be this.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:42
I've met so many mystical and spiritual people. I had a guru in the other day, as one does.

John Davis 1:11:50
And he's an average Thursday,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:53
An average Thursday. Here next little soul, and he is, he is a walking master. He is a Yogananda esque style. I could feel his energy. It was a, it was a beautiful situation. Yeah, I'm not sure if he is vegetarian. I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if he is or if he isn't. I think he was, we were talking about barbecue because we're Texas, but it was, it was interesting. It's just an and you're using this is an example of dogma in that it's the human ego that needs to be right, right? Like, I am the most spiritualist. I'm the most spiritual, right, right, right? I'm the most spiritual me. You can't be. I'm the most humble, right? I'm the humblest of the humble. Like, that's, that's the ego. Yeah, behind it.

John Davis 1:12:38
And, you know, you know, it's interesting about the ego. I think, I think that word has gotten a bum rap. I agree we need the ego. Well, the ego scientifically, when you look at the actual studies of philosophy and psychology, the ego only means that you're aware of your individual self. That's all it means. But within that construct of the awareness for your individual self, you have threat assessment. You know what is going to hurt my individual self, what is going to harm my individual self, and so individual self? And so we come from this process of defending ourself prior to events, out of fear and anxiety and stress. But you know when, when we when my son was six, he's now 22 like I said, he said, Daddy, God told me he's in everything and everyone, and we control the god part inside of us. And I was like, wow, there's my little Yoda, right? He, he said something so profound. And then later on, in Hinduism, I discovered the concept of the God consciousness being the sit, and we are the sit, sat key, the individual sparks of consciousness, sure, but that idea that that this person over here who's eating something different than me isn't equal to me, is antithetical to everything Joshua taught and everything that Yogananda taught, and everything, and I'm sure Yogananda was vegetarian.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:50
He was, to my understanding, he was, yeah, yeah, because I think he was always but that's cultural too.

John Davis 1:13:54
Yeah. It's called natural thing. But, you know, the thing is, I have met beautiful people in all religions and ideologies, and it's, it's not about the method, the modality, the doctrines, dogmas or diets. It's about to love Absolutely. Are you loving? Are you compassionate? Are you in the moment expressing love to some? Are you walking up to that lady who's having a hard time getting up in the curb, and are you helping on the curb? That is the expression of God in the world? Is to is to give love in that moment, coming here today. I got off the exit off of Route 183 and there was a deaf man who was who had a sign up begging for money. I rolled down the window and handed him $50 now people are gonna say, well, he's gonna try to drink that order. I don't care what he does with it. I want him to have the experience of someone giving him $50 as opposed to 10 cents. I wanted them to have the experience of love and compassion in the now. And you know, it doesn't matter what they do with it. It's a matter of looking them in the eye and saying, This is for you, and I hope you're better. You know that is delivering love, that is delivering God, and that's what the churches have all lost. And the churches do that because they have power, they have money, they have the best real estate. The country,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:00
The biggest real estate holders in the world.

John Davis 1:15:02
Yeah, I grew up in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, which is known as the nation's gay summer capital. It's three hours east of Washington, DC, and all the alternate lifestyle people had houses. There tons of gay bars, you know. And when I was a young kid, all the rednecks used to go beat up the gay guys at the gay bars, and it was just a horrible that town is so beautiful and loving now and compassionate. I go down see my brother play in his band. I go to all the gay bars and see him play. There's no even thought of it. But what's so interesting is the Catholic Church had a multi million dollar mansion on the beach, and all the all the priests used to come vacation there. Shocking. And I cannot tell you how many priests I've seen come out of gay bars with their boyfriends. And I don't care about how they love I don't care who they love. I do care about the hypocrisy of saying other people can't that bothers me, but that's the church doctrine.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:02
So let's we, we touched on this, but I'd love to hear your what you what you know about this subject, the King James. King James is Bible. Is the one that we all look at now. It's the it's the it's the one that everyone is the book that everyone in the West, at least reads. And it's the King James Version. I remember seeing the King James Version again. Never connecting that there was a King James. I'm just dance that way. Who's King James? How did the version that comes up? And then after that, let's touch up the Dead Sea Scrolls when we're done.

John Davis 1:16:36
Okay, great. Yeah, great guys. Awesome. So King James was Shakespeare's patron. Yeah, Elizabeth British, yeah, yeah. Elizabeth was when Shakespeare was his heyday. When Elizabeth died, King James became the next successor. Took on Shakespeare as his, as his, his artistic protege, per se. That's why the King James version has, although these, those thou shalt nots and all that stuff, because this is Elizabethan English, right? That is the Elizabeth Elizabethan English. So James was very much into the language of the time, which was Shakespeare and and bacon and all those people. But when King James had that commissioned, what he was taking was the bishop's Bible. The old there's a one called the bishop's Bible. He says, I want you to convert this from Latin into Elizabethan English, but I want you to take out anything that could be used against the monarchy. And so they stripped out anything that they could be used against the monarchy to take him out of power. So the King James Version is a poetic translation of a Latin book that is a translation of Hebrew of Greek, yes, Greek, right? And Hebrew from the Old Testament especially. But each version had different changes, different constructs, and by the time it got to King James, it became the most altered version of the Bible. And right now there's a movement to come back to the original text, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:18
Like the Ethiopian Bible is very different,

John Davis 1:18:20
Very different, very and like, there's a, there's a scholar who I love to listen to, Dan McClellan. He's a, he's actually a Mormon, but he's he's very strict about scholarly work. And I love listening to him. But I listen to him and he talks about, well, the new standard version of the revised vision of the this is the latest version of the Bible, the new standard, revised version of the it's like, this is the title. It just even in the title of it tells you that it's not anything close to the original.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:49
It seems to me that what you're explaining the King James version of it. It's the one that has red 40 in it, and all the other artificial preservatives and stuff like that, the chemicals. Yeah, it's not organic. It's not healthy for you.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:04
It'll kill you slowly. Yeah, exactly. Just like bacon, but anyway. But just anyway.

John Davis 1:19:10
I love bacon. I can't argue that

Alex Ferrari 1:19:12
I do. I do miss bacon,

John Davis 1:19:17
Because bacon is meat candy.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:19
But that's what it sounds like. It's like. It's like all this, there's so much crap that they've put into it that dilutes the original meaning

John Davis 1:19:29
Well. And like, like I said, the Codex, Codex Sinaiticus, had edits on every page, the text that they found in St Catherine Monastery, every version has edits and translating from Greek to Latin to English and German and French. And there might be a couple of a couple of things. There also might be a couple of scribes who, like, didn't like what that thing said And back then, and they would just change it, right? And then you look at the concept of. All these Gnostic and Coptic texts that didn't make it right. Gospel of Tom, well, Gospel of Thomas. We're talking about vegetarian earlier. I'll just throw this in. Gospel of Thomas. A lot of the New Age folks are really diving into this Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. They asked him in there what diet he should follow. He says, it's not what comes out goes into your mouth that defiles you. What comes out, right? It's a great line. Great line, right? Great line. But it's always it comes back to this ideology that every version had his own version, and every version had had simple changes, and even translating from one language to the other. You know, it's like, right now, they use the word Messiah, right? Or Christ, they mean the same thing, right? Christos, well, they those two words, Messiah and Christ have two different meanings. In ancient Hebrew, Messiah, what comes from the word Messiah, which means a king or a ruler, not a spiritual guide, not a spiritual leader or some Savior that's coming. A Messiah, a ruler who's going to guide our people into a new future. Christ means the anointed one right now, what's interesting is Messiah to become a king or a ruler. They anoint the king into the position. So both of these, the word Christ has become Messiah. The word original Messiah was meshiach. So there's this transition from a king or a ruler to the spiritual deity, and the variation between the two is a struggle. And now, because of the way we live our Christianity in the world, they lean into the LA, the latter, but the original was a king or a ruler. So, so there's a very variation there, right? And as it gets further and further down the line, all the way up to King James, now he's talking about Christ, but he's saying it with the these and the 1000, the pretty words.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:56
It is interesting that that when people are confronted with information like this, you know, as Catholics, yeah, let's because you and I speak from a place of where we knew, yeah, when you were confronted with facts, that are facts, these are historical facts, not hearsay, but some of this historical facts. So everything we're talking about from the Council of nice like this is all known, documented, yeah, this is not fake news. This is not made up. This is documented stuff. They have to they have to come. They have to rationalize that it can't be true, right? Because if they even admit to the potentiality of it being somewhat true, it rocks the foundation that they've built their entire identity on,

John Davis 1:22:43
And they're stuck in a time period where that those things were condemned. That's why, you know, I for every day I get my comments on my on my YouTube channel, must be fun. Oh, but you know what? For every one negative one, I get 500 beautiful Oh, yeah, agreed, right, right. But the negative ones use the words heresy, heretic, blasphemy, hell yeah, all of those three that I just said are medieval words.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:10
That's amazing, heresy, blasphemy and

John Davis 1:23:14
Blasphemy, heresy and oh, he also, they also call me the Antichrist, obviously, heresy, blasphemy, I hope no.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:22
First of all, to roll back the tape. First of all, to call you the Antichrist is giving you a hell of a lot of power there. Yeah, I mean, that means you are the dude, yeah, the one that they spoke.

John Davis 1:23:33
I know isn't that crazy kind of they call me a false prophet, a false teacher, but you're but here's the interesting about those thing, false prophet, false teacher. First of all, I don't prophesy. I never tell you the future, because I think everything is in the now. And a false teacher, to be a false teacher, means I'm not teaching what you want me to teach, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:23:54
Because, because of the people who you aren't listening to what you like, it's what they want to hear, right? Or they want or they're interested in, to learn

John Davis 1:23:55
And and one of the, one of the one of the comments I got one time, and it's very interesting, I had a Jehovah Witness come on and leave me a message. And he was like, I think you seem like a very nice guy. You seem like a very kind guy, John, but I would be wrong if I didn't try to save you and bring you back to Jesus. Obviously, to Jesus, right? To his Jesus, right, right. But then he said, I know I'm probably going to be crucified on your channel for doing for saying this. And I came back and I said, if someone crucifies you on my channel for saying this, they will be banned from my channel, because you are obviously coming from a loving place trying to save me into your belief system, the key. And you started with compliments, so you were obviously being loving in the moment. So but he can't. He cannot, and it doesn't matter what he believes, because, you know, spirituality is a personal journey. Absolutely, as long as he's delivering love, the book of Matthew says, You shall know them by their fruit, right? I have one video on my on my recovering Catholic channel right now. The title of video is, i. Uh, Catholic. Catholicism is the deadliest religion in the world. Oh, that, I'm sure I gotta go. Oh, my God. It was great the next because I, I was showing this the historical statistics of all religions and what deaths are attributed to, absolutely right? And you look at the Bible itself. You know, there, there's, there's two people who killed people religiously in the Bible, one of them killed 10 people and one of them killed 2 million. Satan killed 10, God killed 2 million. So this, this, this idea of because, so I put this out, I had to stop all comments on that video, of course, Oh, God. And if you go to that video now, it's, it says, because of the abuse of foul language and hate speech, you know, comments, but, but by, by, by people who say they follow Jesus, right? I, I I am holding back on the comments on this, stopping the comments on this video. I cannot tell you the people who claim to follow Joshua or Jesus, who will will tell me I'm burning in hell, who will call me a son of a whatever you know, and they'll say these horrific, hateful things, and sometimes I'll get a little ornery, and I'll say, yeah, yeah. I'm sure that's exactly what Joshua would have said, or something like that. But to me, it's like, if you can't accept that, that 70% of the world who doesn't believe the same as you, you know, is, is still can be loving people, then I don't think you understand what God really is.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:43
I think also too, that people who don't travel, people who don't travel and stay in their own town, their own country for their entirety of their life, and don't travel outside to different worlds and different cultures, are not only I think I personally, I love traveling, and I love being and love seeing new cultures. I love seeing that stuff, and I love going to new countries and seeing how they do things, and, yeah, all that stuff. Like, I'm obsessed with this one social media account that's all about things in Japan. And I'm like, what it's like? Just the stuff that they come up with, the technologies. You're like, what is this? Amazing! Amazing, amazing. But because when you travel, and you've traveled the world multiple times as a carny or as a Renny,

John Davis 1:27:30
As a USO performer,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:31
Exactly, you start to see other people. And what I've come to realize by traveling as much as I have is that everyone just wants to be loved. They just want to live peacefully. They want to be prosperous. That that's it. They're just good people, just because you don't believe every exact same story, and this is all it's about, is a story that you believe. It's a it's a movie. It's essentially the Trekkies versus the Star Wars, guys, that's all it is. I believe that serious dog. I mean, now the comments are gonna go crazy. It's like, Yoda is the way, as opposed to no Captain Kirk is the way, you know, Roddenberry is the way. It's just two different stories that we believe I can appreciate track, I can appreciate the things, and I do. I'm a fan, yeah, but I'm not a devotee, like so many, right, right? I like Star Wars more. That's the one that rang true for me. I'm using this as a very loose example. I'm funny see or Marvel. I mean, it's all relative.

John Davis 1:28:33
I find it really fascinating. You brought this up because I yesterday, I got an email from someone who wants me to write an article for SCI fi.net Okay, to bringing spirituality through sci fi and superhero Perfect. Now, the reason they wanted me is because I talk about that in my in my videos, but I love that. What you said about, you know, we travel the world, you know, I find the people who don't leave their 100 square miles are the most close minded because they haven't had the experience of others. I used to travel. I've been to 30 countries, 32 states in all the countries I went to. I asked, I asked a very specific question. I said, what's most important to you? I never heard one say their religion. I never heard one say their job. I never heard one say the number one answer is always the family. Yeah, but what is the family? The family is the the physical representation of love on Earth, absolutely and so to them, all of them, all of them are about love and compassion. When I went through all the middle, middle eastern countries, and I was all over the Middle East, and I found beautiful, loving people everywhere, everywhere. I also found butt heads, yeah, but you found butt heads everywhere? I found butt heads everywhere, right, right, everywhere. And some of the butt heads are the ones who are the ones who didn't travel out of their little 100 miles, out of their little 100 miles, because they believe this is the what their world is. They are living on the flat earth, because their flat Earth is only 100 miles long, right? And so they are living in that experience of not, not going. Out and experiencing the world, you know. And when you get out of your your circle, and you get out and you start experiencing that, all humans are humans, and they all have one thing in common. They all want to be loved and to give love. That's the only thing that matters. Joshua's way was simple. It wasn't the dogmas of the church and the religions and the the Bibles and the the don't mess with my monarchy stuff. It was the love one another, his final word. I leave you one commandment, love one another. I am the fulfillment of prophecy, which means set Abraham down and just be love. That's what he That's what He taught. And religions will take that away from you, because that means that the power is within you,

Alex Ferrari 1:30:43
Because any organization wants to retain its power, right? All of them across every aspect of human life, right? I heard some one day somebody says, like, if tomorrow morning, we discover that if we get a bowl of warm water, put a little bit of Himalayan salt in it, and a drop of lemon, and you put your finger in that, and that and that cures cancer. Let's say that is real, yeah, that will be completely dismissed, demonized and thrown out because of the billions and billions of dollars based in that, in that industry that that treats cancer, because the money is not in curing cancer, right, right? Isn't treating it. You know, it's fascinating, but that goes up along everything.

John Davis 1:31:24
So what I love about that, that analogy, is that they are, they are profiting from their asset, and their asset is not the product, it's the fear, absolutely so they're more they're profiting from that. You brought up cancer about seven years ago, I was making swords for Cirque du Soleil. I was making pirate aluminum cutlasses, and about 100 swords in, I started not feeling well, and I went to the doctor, and they informed me that my lungs were filled with spots. And they told me, John, we have to go in and we have to do biopsies and procedures and but before we can put you under you've got to lose some weight. So they put me on a 500 calorie restricted liquid diet for three months. And I said, Well, he said, then we're going to do these, these procedures. I said, Okay, Doc, here's what we're going to do. I said, I'll go on the diet because obviously I need to lose weight, right? But in three months we're not going to do these procedures. They go, What do you mean? I said, in three months we're going to do these tests again, and then we're going to make decisions about procedures. And I said, Okay, so I went home. I stopped making swords because the reason I had spots in my lungs was because the toxic aluminum dust. Of course, I stopped making stories. I got up in the morning, I said, Thank you God for the perfect lungs. I am receiving Amen. Now, what I just said is a completely present moment statement. When you thank for something, it's because you believe it's happening in the now. Thank you God consciousness. Yada yada. I don't care what you call it. I call it God. Mama's Catholic. Thank you God for the perfect lungs, the exact thing I'm creating in the present moment. I am present moment declaration, also the name of God, according to Moses, right? I am receiving. Present Moment action, not received, or will receive, but receiving. And then I ended it all with Amen. And Amen means so be it. It means right here, right now. It's done. So everything I said was present moment. Next morning, I got up and I took a walk in the park. And as I walked through the park and I am receiving, I am receiving perfect lungs, and I just breathe deep. At three months, I went back. There was not a single spot my lungs. And what they say, they were like, Well, what did you do? And I just told, I told him exactly that. I said, our reality comes from our belief about the present moment.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:37
But the key part there is that you still went to a doctor to get yourself.

John Davis 1:33:41
I did because I didn't know. I know I didn't feel well, and I know I didn't understand what was not going well. I went to a doctor, right? And I would still go to a doctor if something else happened today.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:51
Yeah, you're not going to just, you know, talk about it in your head, right? Yeah, as we all get older, exactly, the wheel starts

John Davis 1:34:00
Well, you know, I truly believe that, that, you know, the first lines of the book of John, once again, book of John,

Alex Ferrari 1:34:05
The best book, Best Book of all. Obviously,

John Davis 1:34:08
It starts out in the beginning of the Word, the Word was with God. The Word was God, your words, your thoughts, your beliefs, which are all present moment, go out to the source. The Source reflects those words, thoughts and beliefs in the image around you, and we are created in God's image, which is right in the Bible. So it always comes back to, what is your faith? You know, once again, the translation of faith in Christianity, Faith means faith in Jesus, but the word means belief.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:38
Let me ask you this, John, this is another part of of the Christian doc that just never made sense to me, because it's the Old Testament and the New Testament, because they jam these two books together, because apparently they needed to fill it out. You couldn't sell just New Testament, the Old Testament, for whatever reason, the concept that God. Yeah, that God and Jesus. So Jesus is the Son of God, right, right, yeah, but then he's referred to as God, which never made sense to me, right? And as a kid, I was like, wait, wait, wait, there's a father, because, God forbid, there'd be a mother, but there's a father, right? The Father Almighty, right? And then he is the son of this father, yeah, but yet we call Jesus God. Well, what about the dude, this other dude? I never it just made no logical sense.

John Davis 1:35:31
And it shouldn't make logical sense to you. In the Bible, in the ancient texts, he never refers to himself as the Son of God. He always refers to the Son of Man, meaning that he's a human just like you and I, right this concept of the he says in the Bible, the father and I are one, but no one ever goes on and finishes the statement, because the Father and I are one, and you must become one with me, as I am with the Father. He's literally saying, We're all one with this, with God. We're all part of the sparks divine. We're all sparks of the he's saying the same things the Hindus are saying and and what's interesting about it is, is that this construct of the God outside of us, the external God, is based in the Old Testament ideologies of a patriarchal God, a male patriarchal God, right? The father and I Why didn't they say Mother? Because they it was a patriarchal time. It's a historical throwback to a time of patriarchy in reality, when it went further and it got to the Trinity. Now people go the Trinity. That's Biblical. Nope. Third century. Third century invention by a theologian, right? But I like the Trinity, because Father Son, Holy Spirit, the God consciousness, the son consciousness. Well, I don't even think of as Earth that way. I think of it more as it's like Purna has talked about the idea of our consciousness. You have the physical world consciousness, and you're aware of your physical identity. Then there's this next broader awareness of consciousness, where we're aware of the people around us, and we start to get intuitions, and we start to finish people's sentences. And then there's a broader one where we get out to even more people. And this awareness and levels of consciousness, the Father, the sit in Hinduism, the God consciousness, the sun, the sit, sat key, the individual spark of consciousness. Then, but the lowest form of this awareness, we don't feel divine, we feel separate. We feel alone. And we don't feel that connection. Then there's the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our higher self. It's our it's our divine consciousness that's aware of the God consciousness and aware of our physical world consciousness. And this is where our intuition comes from. Our that now I'm going to turn right rather than left, comes from, because we're getting, we're getting trickles of this divine consciousness that is our Holy Spirit consciousness, or higher self consciousness. So I think it really what it is, is levels of consciousness, right? And then to for an ancient mind to try to extrapolate that, they break it down to three of course, there's this God thing out here that we have to pray to. There's this being a physical world stuff. But if you go back to the Psalms, the most famous Psalm in history, though he walked through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for thou art with me.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:31
Yeah. Pulp Fiction, yeah. Sorry.

John Davis 1:38:34
Well, to me, it's one of the most profound, because if you think about it, from the levels of consciousness, I'm going down into a valley where death is a possibility. Yeah, right. It's not the valley of death. It's the valley of the shadow of death, the illusion that we can die. So we're coming down into this lower, lower thing. And it literally says you don't need to fear, because love is always with you. So it's literally talking about this level of consciousness where, when we're in this valley, we can't see the peak, but the peak is always with us.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:06
Now we I wanted to talk about before we finish up. Two things. One, Dead Sea Scrolls, yeah, and then hell, okay, small things. So Dead Sea Scrolls. I remember in the 90s, 80s and 90s, that sea scrolls were discovered in the 5046, 1940 Yeah, exactly. So, like, late 40s, early, yeah, late 40s. So, but then I heard that the Catholic church went in, we can't have this, and they kept it behind closed doors for decades, until something happened that someone opened it up.

John Davis 1:39:39
Yeah, I don't know that story,

Alex Ferrari 1:39:41
But, but, but they kept, according to what I understood, they kept it quiet, yeah, but then they got released, out of pressure. They finally released it for the for the historians to be able to read it, because I discovered, when I was in Italy, that if anything is discovered that is of Christian descent, the Catholic church comes in and automatically. Owns it,

John Davis 1:40:00
Right, right? Because the Catholic means universal, means it's ours, it's ours.

Alex Ferrari 1:40:04
And they'll go in and like, for the queen, like it kind of thing. It's, it's,

John Davis 1:40:08
They plant their flag

Alex Ferrari 1:40:12
Very, very Cortez, very Cortez esque. So then they came out. But the Dead Sea Scrolls talk a lot about different things that are in the Bible. Well, it was a problem

John Davis 1:40:26
Well, it's actually, actually, actually what's interesting in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Okay, so I'm gonna get into some new age ideologies. Okay, look where you are, sir. Okay, so, so right now, everyone's claiming that the Dead Sea Scrolls are about this mystical sect called the Essenes in the time period, to say an esneen is like saying Pharisee or sudecy. It's just another Judaic sect. The Dead Sea Scrolls are nothing but books of the Torah, right? They don't mention Jeshua, they don't mention vegetarianism, they don't mention anything else what's happening now, and once again, this goes back to the Theosophical Society ideas is there were a couple of people. One was Reverend elsley, who wrote the gospel of the Holy 12 as a series of newspaper articles where he was marrying Theosophical Society into the New Testament, and that he said he pushed vegetarianism and all those things that those texts came out between 1894 and 1903 as a series of newspaper articles. There is no gospel of the Holy 12. It was never shown. There was never He claimed he found it in a Tibetan monk as a from a monastery, right? But he never let anybody see it. It was, it was all him putting that stuff. Then later on, Edmund Je Kelly wrote the the esseen Gospel of peace. Now, a lot of new age teachers are leaning into the scene gospel of peace right now, the problem is Edmund je Kelly claimed he found two versions of that, one being in the Vatican Library, one being in another library of the time. I forget the name of it. It's in one of my videos. But he never showed pictures of it, never showed drawings of it, never showed any proof that ever existed. Both the Vatican, any other place say it doesn't exist. But the Essen gospel piece is filled with this esoterica of the Essenes that all match the Theosophical Society teachings, for some reason, including vegetarianism, everything else, no scholar takes either one of them seriously. No scholar believes they are written by the Essenes because they know they that these two people, who would never show the original text and modern, New Age gurus, are leaning into these as fact and truth as the Essenes. But even the Dead Sea Scrolls are not 100% known to be a scene. They are. They are known to be of a Judaic sect who were into ritual bathing, and then they lean into the Edgar Casey stuff, right? Edgar Casey said that that scrolls will be found near the Dead Sea in the 1940s he said that, and a few years later, and then he died in 45 and they were found in 46 right? So, but he didn't say was the Essenes at that time, he mentioned the Essenes earlier writings, but he said they were an elusive sect who were trying to prepare for the Messiah. He never said Jesus, he never said vegetarianism, never said healing, he never said esoterica. He said that they were a Judaic sect, just like the Pharisees or the citizens Yeshua clearly said before Abraham wasn't him, which means he wasn't part of the Judaic belief system. And so for him to be any of those would be antithetical to what he was saying. Also, Joshua talked love and peace. Would you agree? You totally agree. First armed conflict to get from was led by John the esseen. Kind of a little mess up there, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:44:00
Yeah, well, there's the Crusades, but, yeah, there's that too, right? There's a little thing I never made sense either.

John Davis 1:44:07
That doesn't make sense. So, so to me, you know, people can believe all they want. They're allowed to. I will always go back and research everything that I that I'm talking about, because I want to know, and I did the research.

Alex Ferrari 1:44:17
But John, the thing is to like, I'm sure you've been there, but like, when you stand in the Vatican and you look around, I remember when I did that. I just sat there and I just said, this has nothing to do with Jesus. Nothing to do this, this pomp and circumstance, black smoke, white smoke. I mean, the the outfits like this has nothing to do with Jesus Christ,

John Davis 1:44:41
Jeshua never said, go to a church on Sunday. Jeshua never said, you, you must eat my body and blood. That'd be weird. Yeah, that'd be really weird, right, even in those days and the construct of sub, sub what's it called? Sub transition? What? Where the church says, when we say it's the blood, blood and body of Christ, it is period. You have to believe it.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:06
But it's wine and some, some really tasty bread.

John Davis 1:45:09
But if you go well, I tasty subjective.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:12
Hey, listen, I remember the taste of of the holy, the wafer. Yeah, I always want, as a kid, I can we just buy those. Those are tasty.

John Davis 1:45:20
You must have a good, good I had a good batch. Ours tasted like melting cardboard.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:24
Mine did too, but it was the 80s.

John Davis 1:45:26
But you like, it was the 80s, okay, different world, the age of padded shoulders. But the the thing about him, you know, he never, he never said, you know, if he was a Jewish man. The Sabbath was Saturday, not Sunday, correct, right? That gets changed. So he never said all of these theologies that happened hundreds of years later. But what did he What did he say? Love one another. Go out in the streets and help that person up, right? Keeping your mind in the present moment of love and expressing it had nothing to do with the doctrines and dogmas, the diets, the all the stuff.

Alex Ferrari 1:46:05
What I find fascinating too, is that his message, his energy, what he was able to do to humanity, has been able to survive in one shape or form, essence, the true essence of it, beyond all of the crap that's been thrown in this poor man's shoulders. You know, Buddha didn't get that, you know, Krishna didn't get that. They have other stresses, but not this like it was. It's pretty fascinating to see where this how, how his story and how his teachings have been completely like changed. Yeah, one, tell me what you know about this, the God. When is it? The Rapture? The Rapture. Okay, I love the rapture. I think it's fantastic. It's a great story. It's a great add on to the end. It really solidifies that we're the only way. Well, sure. I mean, it solidifies it in a way, like, if you don't believe, one day the Rapture will come, and all non believers will be left here on earth, and all us believers will be taken up

John Davis 1:47:11
Crazy. And it's good. We have 8 billion people in the world, 144,000

Alex Ferrari 1:47:15
And how many Catholics? Right, right? So, I mean, you got to be like the best of the best of the best, like the NBA.

John Davis 1:47:23
I love that you asked how many Catholics? Because 30% of the world are Christian, right? 20% of those are Catholic, yeah, less than half of those are practicing Catholics, correct? So my numbers are pretty good to get in, I think, right? I had someone tell me he's going to try to save me so I could be raptured. I said, okay, but I'm going to take your seat, right? If there's only 144,000 there's only so many that they can take right See, that was a mistake in the storytelling. Evangelicals, yes, Methodists, Baptists, all grabbed a hold of it, because what better way to keep your people in line than to tell them they have to start being good to be 144,001 of the 144,000 now, of course, in going into what you were saying, evangelical teachings are all about marketing. Oh, they're marketing the the rapture and everything else. That's what the Left Behind series. Oh yeah, is all about that. So now can I? Can I kind of shift this a little bit, please. The New Age has its own version.

Alex Ferrari 1:48:25
Yeah, by the way, before we switch into the new age, how did the rapture get? Is it in any Bible? It's not. It's not in the Bible. There's no Bible. There's no there's nothing. The King James doesn't have the rapture. So who? So it's just something that people talk about. It's there's no proof of any of it,

John Davis 1:48:41
Not in the Bible anywhere. There's a talk, there's a mention of the word tribulation, which is when they say the rapture is supposed to happen. There's no, there's no, there's no event called the rapture in the Bible at all. So it's completely, complete BS, and it was made up by John Nelson Darby. They know exactly who did it. The guy who actually created it was Minister John Nelson Darby, okay, in 1830 1830 that's not that long ago. Not at all. Right, not at all. Oh, so the New Age, the New Age has, has its own version, and they call it the 5d Oh, yeah, the fifth dimension, yes, because we're all supposed to evolve and bring ourselves up to be part of the 5d and what's happening now, you can see how this, this new age rapture, idea of the 5d is falling apart. Interesting, because now what you're finding is you're finding people are saying, I've already ascended to the 5d and they start preaching and teaching that they're already there, right? So that's that's the same thing the Evangelicals did with the rapture. I've already come to the point where I know that I'm being raptured, so I'm here to save you, right? Here's the here's the here's something that I think everyone should consider all of the spiritual teacher of Israel talked about being present, right? Most of the religions are based in 2000 years old stuff in our past. Right, or prophecies of the future, right? The majority of the of the New Age teachers are talking about the things that were hidden from us in our past, or this ascension that's going to happen to us in our future. Neither one of them is in the I am moment, not. Neither one of them is in the present. Neither one of them is actually creating their divinity, in the now they're giving you methods, modalities, techniques and dogmas to reach this ascension or to go back and find some hidden truth that has been taken from them

Alex Ferrari 1:50:30
With the with the whole 5d thing. This is something that we've talked about a lot,

John Davis 1:50:34
And people like I said, I'm not dissing someone's belief in it. No, no, my truth is my truth, and I only speak my truth

Alex Ferrari 1:50:36
Exactly. And no problem with that. But the whole concept of the 5d which people are like, we're in third we're in the third dimensional world now, and that we're going to evolve to the 5d I do believe that we are evolving. They just put a name on it, that there's multiple timelines that you know the 5d people will be like, it's, it's the way you presented. The 5d idea is a little bit more dogmatic than what I look at it as, yeah, which is very kind of like, we're all evolving. Yeah, I'm not better or worse than you, right? I'm, I either am a few steps ahead, I'm definitely a few steps back.

John Davis 1:51:12
But you're, you are. You are an anomaly within that group, from my perspective, okay, because I have 5d people coming at me hard all the time, just, like Christians, really just like Christians.

Alex Ferrari 1:51:22
We just like Yeshua would, yeah.

John Davis 1:51:24
Well, and the thing, the thing is, I look at it from the perspective of, if they're focused on this ascension in the future, you know, Gandhi said, Be the change you want to see in the world. Yes, you can only be it in the now. It's the only moment you're ever conscious. You know, I there's an analogy that I love, that I use all the time when I'm talking to someone in my private sessions, I talk about, you know, imagine you have a boat, and you anchor the boat in the middle of a river. Now that boat is stationary because it's anchored, but the water's flowing past the boat. Behind the boat, there's a wake, there's a swirl, there's motion in the water because of the boat, but 100 feet in front of the boat, there's no shape in the water whatsoever, just a bunch of water, and that water comes to the boat, and it hits the bow of the boat, and it parts, and it creates, it creates the shape of the boat in the river. Okay, now you're in your boat, I'm in my boat. Everybody's in their own boat. The water is the substance of the universe that all of our experiences play out in. The motion of the water coming towards the boat is how time works. It's coming to us. We're not traveling through it, and that's easy to prove, because your past is just a collection of present moment memories, and your future is just a place where you're setting goals for your next present moment. But every experience of your life will happen in your present moment and has happened in your present moment, so that means you only are in this one moment, this one moment of consciousness and the experience is coming to you like the energy coming to your illusion of your experience. Now, the majority of the people I talk to think they're in a sinking dingy, bucketing out the water, trying not to go under a lot of fear, right? I think I'm on the deck about three mascot schooners, sipping a margarita, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:53:04
Because you've evolved, sir. Well, you are in the 5d sir,

John Davis 1:53:07
Well, because I chose it, right? Yeah, your present moment choice of belief is going to create your experience. If you know a negative person, they are incredibly good creators. They believe the world's negative. So they see a negative world, because that's what they're creating around them.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:28
That's irrelevant to any other dogma, any other dog, any other rapture, 5d all of it. It's fascinating. And I don't disagree with the evolution of humanity and an evolution of consciousness. I don't disagree with that. I think that's happening. We've seen it happen in our lifetime, right from when you were born to where we are now.

John Davis 1:53:48
Like I said about our kids, our kids having more beautiful future.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:50
So putting a name on it, that's fine if that, if you want to do 5d great, it's all but I don't believe it. If it's used in a way to separate yourself from somebody else. That's when I disagree. Yeah, it's just an idea. It's just a place where we and we all evolve.

John Davis 1:54:06
And when you hear some of these teachers say, I'm already in the five day, that's defining themselves, right? Right? That's putting yourself on a pedestal. And I get a lot of that, people say, I'm already in the five day, right? I've got to have it. A lot of people who say that's because, that's because you're not there yet. That's why you believe that, John,

Alex Ferrari 1:54:26
We're all just trying to figure it out John.

John Davis 1:54:28
Yeah, I agree. And I and see, the thing is, I go back to my first regression, where I said it's so simple, we have a hard time comprehending it, right? I measure everything against simplicity. And once they start saying dimensions and and, you know, alien contact and all the blood.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:42
Hey, when it happens, when it happens, it happens.

John Davis 1:54:44
Do I believe that there could be aliens in the universe? Of course.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:48
I mean, everything's logically, logic. There's a trillion planets out there. We're the only ones, right, right?

John Davis 1:54:54
And to me, it's, you know, I had someone talk about the Big Bang Theory. To me one time,

Alex Ferrari 1:54:59
It's a great show. A fantastic show.

John Davis 1:55:02
But I said, I said, did you I said, But you know, that's, that's still just a theory, right? It's absolutely and they go, No, it's not. I go, then why does this say theory at the end? Right? I said, I said, Can I ask you a question? Yeah. I said, what will happen if you discover that the universe is expanding because we keep thinking bigger thoughts? He blew his mind, right? It blew his mind.

Alex Ferrari 1:55:24
We're all trying to figure out this matrix that we're all living in.

John Davis 1:55:27
Yeah, exactly. All it is. And I look at it from the perspective of if my beautiful present moment is loving and caring and joyful, I came here today into your studio, and I met a beautiful your beautiful wife and your and your child. And we laugh, we joked, we talked stories, we shared our geek stuff about cameras and stuff we had just a lovely moment, right? That is the expression of love and living that moment that, simply, to me, is, is the way of Joshua. He just loved and he listened and he heard and he and he truly expressed

Alex Ferrari 1:56:00
What I what I think that is happening with everyone on this wall, and many masters who've walked this earth, this this plane before, is we're all dropped in this experience. And it's kind of like we're all scared little children, because we have the we have the delusion that we are disconnected from anything, yeah? So we're terrified. This entire incarnation, this entire reality, is to overcome fear absolutely learn truth of who we are truly and where we are, where we are truly, and where we live truly. That this is an experience, yeah, and we have to overcome fear, because it number one thing everyone on this planet has to overcome is fear in one way, shape or exactly, every single

John Davis 1:56:48
And fear is the illusion of love's absence.

Alex Ferrari 1:56:50
Correct! And then there's always somebody, always somebody who will stand up and go, I know the way, yeah. Oh, and when you're terrified, I'm like, I want to give him the power, right, right? It's usually a him. I'll give him the power, because if anything goes wrong, I can blame him, yeah, yeah, and I don't have to blame myself, right? Where Jeshua, Buddha, yoga, all of them said that responsibility is within you. Within you. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Everything is within you. But then that's scary for especially if you have certain dogma, certain training, certain programming that you raised with. Then you're like, wait a minute, if it's, if I'm if I'm God, then, Oh, that's too much pressure. And I'm like, But, and they start looking for something, whether it's a dogmatic idea, a new age idea, a religious idea, whatever it they need to grab onto something to build their reality around. It's the rarity to see a soul walk through this experience being open to everything, yeah, and trying to grab it. That's where we have to be.

John Davis 1:57:57
And my friend, I'm going to compliment you on your platform, because that is exactly what your platform does. It puts various truths in front of an audience for them to pick and choose from. You know, I often say on my channel, I only speak my truth, but I would never judge you for your truth, unless your truth is harming another right. But that's to me, that's the only thing. If you're harming somebody else, I'm going to speak up. I'm going to say something, but if you, if you believe, like my friend Les chick, and I'm going to throw his name out so he'll feel good about being on your channel. He's up. He is one of the most beautiful people you'll ever meet. He's He's always smiling. He's always joyful. You see him and you all you smile the second you meet him. He is so deeply into the Law of One material, yeah, which, to me is far too complex. You know, it's, it's much more complex. I think, I think it's for I think it's all far simpler, but less. Leszek is so beautiful, so caring, so loving. I think he found his way. That's his that's his thing. That's his thing. And I think that when I went to Egypt and and I met amazing Muslim people who are just beautiful and loving and caring and treated me like a family member,

Alex Ferrari 1:59:08
But that's the story they held on to to make sense of this world. Yes, yes, everyone grabs on to the story. And by the way, they were probably grabbed onto that story because they were born into that story,

John Davis 1:59:15
Born into that story, right? And what I find fascinating about your story and my story, and my story and a lot of Catholic stories, is, from a young age, we start questioning. This doesn't make sense, because our truth is showing itself. Our truth is and we get knocked down for our truth. You know, we say we can't, you know, well, but what doesn't make any sense? You know, George Carlin said, George Cardin said, he said, Is God so is all powerful? Can he make a rock that he himself cannot lift?

Alex Ferrari 1:59:47
Head blown, head blown, right? I heard the other day, and we're gonna go geek here for a second. Josh Brolin was on the talk show, and he was talking about going to cons, and you and I have been to a con or two, I'm sure. A comic book con or something like that over the years. And he goes, You know, it's not the most pleasant thing for me, for him. And he was talking to other people like, Oh, we love like, No, I love the fans. I think the fans are really cool. He goes, but, but these fans, they come up and they said, Hey, Josh, I'm gonna do it in my Simpsons comic book voice, if you're talking about if you were clano, if you were clanos, and you could snap your fingers to wipe out half the universe. You could also snap your fingers to double all the resources in the universe, which is his reasoning for snapping,

John Davis 2:00:39
Mind blowing right exactly like,

Alex Ferrari 2:00:41
Of course, that's a plot hole. Yeah, we forgot about it.

John Davis 2:00:48
So many plot holes. And you know, it's, it's, it's the concept of of one story being the right one. The plot holes always show up. But when you step back and you look at the what's consistent in all the stories, that's where you find truth, and that's what I try to do, yeah, and that's exactly what your channel does.

Alex Ferrari 2:01:09
I love to talk to everybody about every kind of walk of life, and learn new things about every but the one thing that I have a unique perspective on is I have the ability to now look at hundreds of stories, hundreds of ideologies, and I start to see the patterns. Yeah, when you study like that, and you start seeing the patterns, oh, they're just saying this, but just with a different flavor on it, and this and that,

John Davis 2:01:36
When labels are confining very much so they're the boundaries of limitation of belief.

Alex Ferrari 2:01:42
Before we go, I just want to hear your take on hell, sir, on hell yes, because it's one of my favorite things as a Catholic to talk about. Because in first grade, I was told that there was a hell, and I went home crying, yeah, because imagine telling a five year old, a six year old, that if you eat meat on Friday, it's got you done, yeah, yeah. And then later on, I'm like, So you mean that if I mean I go to hell, and if I kill somebody, I go to hell something, I get plot hole issues. So I've loved to kind of demystify this whole idea of hell, sure, because there is no hell in the Old Testament.

John Davis 2:02:19
There is no hell in the Old Testament. There's only testament. There's only Sheol, yeah, which basically means you're just going to, well, there's two different version of what it means. One of it is just the place where dead people go, right? And the other one is a hole in the ground, like a grave, right? You just kind of like, yeah, you're going to a grave.

Alex Ferrari 2:02:36
That's it. That's the end of it, right? Yeah, there's no, there's, is there heaven?

John Davis 2:02:41
Do you not believe so there is, there is, there is no eternal reward or punishment in Judaism, right there that's

Alex Ferrari 2:02:48
Surprising. There's a lot of punishment, a lot in that old testament,

John Davis 2:02:55
Eternal damnation. Ideologies that came later, that came with Christianity, because they needed more. They needed more.

Alex Ferrari 2:03:00
Oh, right, because there is no, to my understanding, there is no like Vatican City for Judaism back in the old like there wasn't a centralized

John Davis 2:03:09
Judaism is a people correct? It's exactly right. Well, so let's talk about it. Let's talk about hell first. Okay, the construct of hell in Joshua's time had nothing to do with the construct of hell of Christianity today, you mean the devil. And the devil know that Dante the Dante Inferno, exactly. But in the earliest texts are written in Greek, and they use the term Hades, yeah. Well, that's, that's old, that's, that's pagan ideology of a terrible place, and Jeshua used the word Gehenna. And Gehenna was a valley where a Judaic warlord killed a bunch of children. And so it became a place known for Torment and terrible things. Wasn't there. It was in a garbage dump. Later on, it supposedly became a trash dump where things were burned, right, right? So it was a burning info burning in and if you're a bad kid, you're gonna burn again, right? You know. So this, this ideology of hell, but the hell became a very, very profitable little ideology, right? Because it's good sized business when you go to the sacraments once again that last right? So you're gonna burn in hell if you don't give us all your money or your money or your house, right? So this idea of this now, for there to be a hell, there has to be Satan. Oh, you need a ruler, yeah. But in the ancient text, Satan did not mean an individual person or an individual entity, or even the opposing force of God of good news,

Alex Ferrari 2:04:40
Actually wheat gluten that turns into that Satan.

John Davis 2:04:46
And we all know gluten is bad foryou, exactly. So Satan meant accuser, someone who accused you of something, and anybody could be a Satan. So if I accuse. She was something. I was the Satan.

Alex Ferrari 2:05:02
And you have been called that many times.

John Davis 2:05:03
It also meant temptation. So 40 days in the desert battling Satan could have easily been 40 days in the desert battling his own temptations. Yeah, could have been easily in the same thing. Again, nobody was there. No one was there, right? So as it goes further on, this, this ideology starts to become into eternal damnation and stuff like that. With our friend Paul, he starts pushing this idea of this eternal damnation in hell, but he was also the one pushing celibacy for every Christian, because he believed that the end of the world was coming and hell was coming soon.

Alex Ferrari 2:05:47
Yeah, I was going to say that's not a great way to procreate, to move it along.

John Davis 2:05:51
And he thought specifically they shouldn't be having babies, because the end is coming, hell is coming, right? So he had this idea of hell or heaven is coming by the time Dante comes around, the medieval church had already started creating this structure of hell, right? Dante writes the inferno. Now there's nine levels, and there's a devil, and there's demons and all this stuff. They grabbed onto it. Yeah, they grabbed onto it. Joshua never said it. If he said hell in the Bible, which there are many Bibles say, he said hell, a lot, but he would have said Sheol. He wouldn't have said damnation and all this stuff, but he did talk about that again.

Alex Ferrari 2:06:27
Yeah. He's like, Yeah, in a sermon, he's like, if you guys don't get your stuff, you're gonna end up in a bad way, in a bad yeah, it's gonna go bad. He was just using residence,

John Davis 2:06:32
Yeah, it's just like, it's just like, the the body and blood of Christ thing, right? He said, Remember me when you eat and drink. That's basically what he said. In other words, I'm teaching you this truth. I'm teaching you this truth, and I want you to remember it as frequently as you eat and drink. Keep it in your daily idea. He didn't say, my body is this piece of bread and my wife, my blood is that wine, right? You know, he said, Remember me as frequently as you eat and drink, because that's something you do all the time.

Alex Ferrari 2:07:03
Wow, yeah, yeah. So, so there's no Hell No, hell no, hell no, hell fantastic. There's no Satan, no Satan, but satan. They took that kind of from the Book of Enoch, right? If I'm not mistaken, the fallen, the fallen angel is that?

John Davis 2:07:18
Well, that's Lucifer. That's a different that's a different person.

Alex Ferrari 2:07:22
Oh, hold on a second. Now, wait a minute. So Lucifer is a different

John Davis 2:07:25
Yeah! Lucifer was a fallen angel, but not the opposing force of God. He's one who fell from grace, came to Earth,

Alex Ferrari 2:07:32
Yeah, but he did? He go down. So he's not. Lucifer is not the ruler,

John Davis 2:07:36
Yeah, he's no longer in the divine essence up here. He's now condemned to Earth, kind of like least condemned Lilith. You know Lilith? Yes, Adam's first wife, right? She came down, sorry.

Alex Ferrari 2:07:51
Like Adam already got divorced. Like, I can't, I can't.

John Davis 2:07:55
Lilith was not made of Adam's rib. She was an independently minded woman. Can't have that who, quote, unquote, wanted to be on top. And in the time period of Judaism, if a woman was on top, that meant she had subjugated her male of course. And so it you would have been a subjugate of the woman in a patriarchal time. And it that doesn't work. So because this was an issue, she left Adam and went off in the world and began in that theology became a tormentor, demon,

Alex Ferrari 2:08:35
Obviously, right. All women were right, and at that time, right.

John Davis 2:08:37
And then Eve was made from Adam's ribs, so he was, she would be forever subjugated to Adam.

Alex Ferrari 2:08:44
So where does that? Where's little story?

John Davis 2:08:46
Oh, it's, it's in it's an old texts like coming out of Judaism and a lot of those other stories. And you find it in some of the, some of the, the earliest agnostic style stuff. So there's mentions of it in there. It's not something that's, that's 100% accepted by everybody in it, but it's, but it's there.

Alex Ferrari 2:09:04
It's another part of the part of the tap,

John Davis 2:09:07
It's there. It's and they just said, No,

Alex Ferrari 2:09:10
So, so Lucifer is just a fallen angel, just fallen. So, where did Lucifer become the devil. Because he's known as the devil.

John Davis 2:09:17
Lucifer became the devil about the same time that Mary Magdalene became the prostitute. Oh, wow, that power back. Yeah, that, yeah. Because what happens is they start saying, we have to start making this concise so it's easy, more easy to understand. And Paul said women shouldn't be allowed to speak the Torah or, or, or be in the same temple with with the men, obviously, right. And so for Joshua to have a wife or a or someone he loved and who was a powerful would have been completely antithetical. So they married the story of the prostitute to her there too. The only mention of Mary Magdalene in the gut in the Gospels is her going to the tomb the. Day after and seeing that he wasn't there. How about Wasn't she at the cross? Well, it doesn't say that in the Bible, but she was because my my past life regression memory. I had her here, and his mother here.

Alex Ferrari 2:10:11
I've had multiple channels come on the show, yeah? Who've channeled Mary, yeah, Magdalene. And from many stories and also mystics as well, that I've heard is that Mary was a disciple of of Jesus. She was a master in her own right, and she financed. She came from a wealthy fish.

John Davis 2:10:30
She did come from wealthy family. She financed his ministry because she probably, she probably did. I don't have, of course, I can only speak of what I know. What's interesting about about her was she was living in a very patriarchal time. So for her to come out and to say, to claim, to be someone who was that that enlightened would have been she had been stoned to death, and they were trying to and then you look at the Gnostic gospel of Mary Magdalene, and she tells this amazing vision that came from Jeshua. But then in the end, Peter says, Why should we listen to you? You're a woman, you know. Why would Jesus say that to you? Why would he bring that to you? And then Levi says, What are you talking about? He loved her more than us. Of course she's going to come to her. Of course you're going to talk to you, Peter. You're just some surly guy, right? And Levi stuck up for but the the concept of Peter and the other disciples were against her was very much relevant to the time period. Right? Do I think she understood she was teachings? Absolutely do. But I think that those teachings were so simple and so antithetical to the Jewish faith and the the Roman people that her saying it as a woman would have been even more deadly for her. Oh yeah, it would have been even more deadly for her. But I, yeah, I totally believe, when you look at the painting I did of the two of them together laughing, you know, she's got her head pressed onto his neck, and she's just, they're just laughing together because they were being the love and the now, right? And that was the that was the essence of it, in my opinion. Like I said, that's I can only speak my truth. I would never judge anyone for believing differently than I unless, as I say, they're harming someone.

Alex Ferrari 2:12:07
John, we can keep going for I know it's just terrible. This is a deep, deep, well, my friend, I knew this was going to happen. I've barely looked at any questions. Oh, good. Asked. I don't think I've looked at one question at all. It's just us riffing, which is beautiful. Now I'm gonna ask you a few questions I ask all my guests. There might be a couple of new ones in there. Oh, good. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

John Davis 2:12:32
To be love in the now and to express that love and feel that love coming to and from me every moment.

Alex Ferrari 2:12:37
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to Little John, what advice would you give him?

John Davis 2:12:42
Go back to Little John. Yeah, I would tell him that all the powers within him, no matter what's being done to you at this time.

Alex Ferrari 2:12:49
And he would have said, heresy. Now, what would Little John advice be to you today?

John Davis 2:12:57
Oh, little John's advice be to me. Oh, that's a nice one. Have fun. Have fun. Just be just be joy. Be Love. Let be laughter. How do you define God or source everything and everyone? And we are just the director of what this energy shows us. What is love, everything and everyone, and we are the director of everything

Alex Ferrari 2:13:19
That's very lazy, but Okay, and what is the ultimate purpose of life? We ended with an easy one.

John Davis 2:13:26
And once again, I'm going to say it is, it is to be and express love in the now, to be here in this one present, conscious moment, and be the essence of love, the Jeshua to love one another. How about that one?

Alex Ferrari 2:13:36
Now where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

John Davis 2:13:40
Oh, thank you for saying that's amazing. You can get find me at johnofnew.com or on my YouTube channels, John of new or the recovering Catholic. One of them is more controversial than the other,

Alex Ferrari 2:13:52
Obviously. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

John Davis 2:13:55
Yeah, understand that though you may have doubts, that you may have self worth issues. Those are from your past, and you are the author of your story. And until you acknowledge that you're the author of the story, you'll be a character in somebody else's and so take this moment and look at the blank page in front of you and decide, am I writing a comedy or a tragedy? And I'm going to tell you comedies are much more fun.

Alex Ferrari 2:14:18
Well played, sir. Well played, John. It's a pleasure having you on the show is a pleasure having you here in the studio. And I look forward to many other collaborations in the future. Sir, we're working on one right now. I'll end off with this. We're working on a course that we're doing, a very special course that we're doing together that will be available at next level soul and everything will tell everybody about it when it comes out. But there's some we're going to be doing some cool stuff together. So John, I appreciate you and everything you do in awaken this, this planet and this, this people that we are. So thank you, my friend,

John Davis 2:14:53
And the same to you, Alex, this, this platform you've created, is a seed that's growing into something far more beautiful.

Alex Ferrari 2:14:59
Yeah. We are trying, sir, we are trying. So I appreciate you.