UNIMAGINABLE & SHOCKING Benefits of Astral Projection: Out of Body Experience (OBE) with Jannecke Øinæs

On today’s episode, we welcome Jannecke Øinæs, a remarkable spiritual seeker and channeler, whose journey of self-discovery and enlightenment offers profound insights into the nature of existence. Jannecke’s story is a testament to the transformative power of embracing one’s spiritual path, even when it leads through unexpected and challenging terrains.

Jannecke’s spiritual journey began in her early teenage years when she felt a deep sense of loneliness and alienation. “I remember I went out of our cabin and just walked alone in the darkness and reached out sort of to the aliens up there hoping they would come and pick me up,” she recalls. This sense of not belonging, coupled with her experiences as a child star in Norway, left her feeling split and lost, leading to a struggle with eating disorders and depression.

Her path took a significant turn when she lost her voice while pursuing a career in musical theatre. This devastating event forced her to reconsider her life’s direction and purpose. “I realized I had to love myself for just being alive for just existing,” she shares. This period of darkness ultimately became a catalyst for her spiritual awakening, as she began to practice self-love and delve into metaphysical teachings, inspired by figures like Oprah Winfrey.

In 2012, a pivotal moment occurred while sitting on a bench with her father. Jannecke had a revelation: she wanted to travel the world interviewing spiritual teachers about life’s big questions. This idea led to the creation of her platform, “Wisdom from North,” which has since grown into a thriving community offering online courses, memberships, and a popular YouTube channel. “I feel like I lost my voice to find a deeper voice,” she reflects on her journey.

A significant part of Jannecke’s spiritual exploration involved out-of-body experiences (OBEs). She dedicated herself to practicing astral projection and lucid dreaming, initially driven by a desire to find proof of life beyond the physical body. During one such experience, she describes the sensation of vibrations and the surreal feeling of standing outside her own body. “I was standing next to my body and I was like, this is amazing. I know that my body is on my bed right now and I’m standing outside of it,” she explains. These experiences profoundly affirmed her belief in life after death.

Jannecke’s encounters in the astral realm were not always serene. She faced challenges from negative entities and the complexities of navigating a world that felt more real than reality itself. Despite these hurdles, her OBEs provided her with profound insights and a deep sense of peace, knowing that existence transcends the physical. “I just wanted to convey this message because now I knew, like I didn’t believe anymore, I knew I had finally had the experience myself that I’m more than this body,” she asserts.

Throughout her journey, Jannecke Øinæs has emphasized the importance of self-love and the understanding that we are all interconnected and part of a greater whole. Her experiences have shaped her mission to help others awaken to their true potential and spiritual essence. She continues to inspire and guide individuals through her work, helping them navigate their own paths to enlightenment.


  1. Self-Love and Acceptance: Embracing self-love and recognizing one’s inherent worth is crucial for spiritual growth and healing. Jannecke’s journey highlights the transformative power of self-acceptance.
  2. Proof of Existence Beyond the Physical: Out-of-body experiences can provide profound personal validation of life beyond the physical realm, offering comfort and a deeper understanding of our true nature.
  3. Purpose and Contribution: Each individual has a unique purpose and gifts to share with the world. Living in alignment with one’s truth and mission can lead to a fulfilling and meaningful life.

Jannecke Øinæs’s story is a powerful reminder of the resilience of the human spirit and the profound potential within each of us to connect with our higher selves and the divine.

Please enjoy my conversation with Jannecke Øinæs.

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Jannecke Øinæs 0:00
What I believe is that when we go to sleep, we are actually out of our bodies. Our some are saying that you're not really out to your body or just in this cosmic mind. But maybe that, you know, what's the difference? Maybe that's the same it all depends on the words we use the perspectives we have, you know, what is a cosmic mind? So, but the to me, I actually feel that I'm out of my body and I think we are out of our bodies

Alex Ferrari 0:29
I'd like to welcome to the show. Jannecke Øinæs how're you doing Jannecke?

Jannecke Øinæs 0:43
I'm doing so well. And I'm so excited to be on your show. Alex, I love it1 It's such an honor.

Alex Ferrari 0:48
Thank you so much. I'm a fan of your show as well from the North. US you're opening up consciousness from the north with your show. What country are you in exactly again?

Jannecke Øinæs 0:59
I am a norweigian and the name Wisdom from North just came to me on while I was jogging actually in 2012. And I thought it was kind of okay, weird Wisdom from North? Why not? I mean, it came to me and I just trusted it. And that's the name of the show.

Alex Ferrari 1:15
Yeah, you've been doing it for a while. Many, many years, you've been doing this?

Jannecke Øinæs 1:19
Yes. I've been on YouTube ever since 2012. I don't think it's a coincidence that it was actually 2012. That's the theory I have that many people started awakening at that time and coming out with what their mission is, or deeper calling is. But yeah, I've been there for a long time. And it has really evolved from me being so curious about the big questions of life and studying at the side and doing different things. But I just wanted to give this or get this videos, these videos out. Because it was healing to me. And then it evolved to what it is today. Now I have a company I have colleagues, we make online courses and a membership. So it has turned into something I could never dream elven, now I'm actually living from doing this, I would never have dreamt of that either. So it has been a magical ride. I gotta say, and, and now I'm more inspired than ever to sort of have a comeback on YouTube. Because I've focused so much on my membership and online courses and Norwegian podcasts and everything. And now I really want to go back to my English Channel and do lots more videos again.

Alex Ferrari 2:31
Fantastic. So first of all, tell me about your spiritual journey. How did you get to this point, because it's not, you know, generally the spirit. And when we come out of the spiritual closet, at least in this country, it's not an easy thing to do a lot of times, because a lot of other people around you might think you're a little crazy, or you're talking to near death, experiencers and things like that. So how did you begin your journey?

Jannecke Øinæs 2:52
Yeah, and you're right. I mean, I've been in the closet for a long time. And it all started actually when I was 13-14 years old, with me being curious about the big questions of life. And I actually felt really alone, and alienated alienated from this world. And I reached out to the stars, I remember I went out of our cabin and just walked alone in the darkness and reached out sort of, to the aliens up there hoping they would come and pick me up. And it's weird. It's a weird thing to be doing. But I think I was very lonely inside. And I just felt that someone else was hearing me, and that I was originally from there like this. That was my real home. And this wasn't my real home. And I think the reason why I was feeling that it might because, you know, I might be a star seed and all that. But that's not something I have proof of or no and what is the star seed really? But that's another question a big topic. But I think it was because ever since I was seven years old, I've been a child star in Norway. So I've done roles as little cozy limbs robble and Annie Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz, I did a record I wasn't TV all the time. And at that time, we didn't have social media. We just had one TV channel, and I got a lot of attention. I heard I looked like Shirley. Shirley Temple. Yeah. And I got so much attention and applause all the time. And I remember those around me the grown ups they said that you know, you should have your feet on the ground don't think you are more than you are because in Scandinavia we have this thing this big shuttle called the Young to love them. Everybody's gonna never knows it. And it's about that you shouldn't be think you are more than you are. You shouldn't stick out. You shouldn't take up too much space. Is, is the opposite of what the Americans do. So when I went to America was like, everybody's like that. And I was like, Oh, this is really hard for me, it's really hard for a Scandinavian. So I really dim down my light. While I was on stage I needed to perform. I know, I knew I needed to be at my best. And then in school, I didn't speak about theatre, I tried to, you know, fit in and not just be an ordinary girl. And I think I got so lonely and split, my identity got totally split. So I got eating disorders. When I was 1213, I just started eating. Because after being Annie, and being picked, you know, buy from 2000 girls. And I got the premiere night ahead of the other Annie's, I heard I was the best one. After that, when the plaas just vanished, and I was going into middle school, I didn't handle that transition very well. So just started eating, I got big, then I got an erect anorexia, then I got bulimia, I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing this. And so I had a big eating problem. And then back, you know, up and down in my weight. And then I turned around 20. And I got big rolls again, all of a sudden, I landed the role of Greece, in no result in Greece, at this big theater. And everybody was like, Oh, she's back. And my dream was to become a musical theater artist in New York. And I knew I was heading to New York, right after Greece and all of that. And then all of a sudden, I started to have problems with my voice. So I would sing at the other stage. But I would crack up and I would lose my voice at certain times. And the other girls had to, you know, sing lines for me and stuff like that. And I started getting nervous. So I went to the speech therapist, no speech doctor. And he discovered that that I had nodules on my voice. And he said, You can't think for a long time, you can't even speak. So at that time, or in that moment, I actually realized that my life as I knew it was over. Because ever since I was seven years old, I had decided that I was going to be a musical theater artist, either on West End or on Broadway. And in that moment, I understood that that will never happen. Because if I get surgery, it won't be perfect. Like it demands so much to be a Broadway star, that your voice just needs to be beyond perfect, right. So at that moment, I had to give up another role, another big role. And I fell into a depression. My boyfriend left me I didn't have money anymore. I developed anxiety. And it was just darkness for many, many years. And that was very horrible place to be. And I think I got so depressed because all my life, I was told I was somebody, I had a dream of becoming even more of that. This star, and then all of a sudden, I was nobody. Or I was thought I was somebody now I was nobody. And I started a long journey inwards. I realized I had to love myself for just being alive for just existing. And I realized also that I had had self confidence in singing, acting, but not a self esteem, or not self respect. I didn't value myself at all. Like basically I felt worthless without voice. And I felt that God was punishing me that I had done something wrong, since he or she just took away my voice. So fast forward many years I came out of the depression, it was actually to deep depressions. It's the most horrible thing I've experienced in my life because all of a sudden nothing has meaning like I didn't care about anything. Everything is just gray is just dark. Like my apartment was a mess. I was a mess. I didn't care. But slowly but surely I started to practice self love. I started actually watching Oprah Winfrey and the diving into metaphysics and I remember Oprah Winfrey said, You are powerful. And I was like it she told Looking to me as well, like she was looking into the screen. And it's dawned on me that maybe I have this power inside somewhere, that there's something to find. And that really inspired me. So I started slowly but surely to love myself more. And in 2012, I was sitting on this bench with my father. And I was starting to become a primary teacher because I, I was done with theater then and I've done a soap opera and I was done with all the, I don't know what, you know, I felt the showbiz was a bit like shallow, I wanted to do something more meaningful. So I sat there with my father, and I was like, you know, what I really want to do is to travel around the world, interviewing spiritual teachers about the big questions of life. And in that moment, it just dawned on me that that is what I'm going to do. And it made no sense. I didn't earn any money at it. And I, I continued studying and all that, but slowly, but surely just moved into what it is today. So I feel like I lost my voice to find a deeper voice.

Alex Ferrari 11:13
Well, I was gonna say that because I feel that your voice being lost at such a pivotal moment in your life, if it hadn't been lost? Do you believe you would have self destructed you would have, if you would have gone to New York, and gotten those kinds of accolades. And that kind of, you know, a claim and all your great and everything, because it's one thing where you were at, you know, doing things in your in your country, but when you're in Broadway, that's the that's the that's the world stage. If you would have gotten up if you might imagine we're gone to the top of that mountain. How much farther would you have crashed, you might have not made you better not come out of it. So in many ways, the universe was trying to, at least from my point of view, stop you from self destructing yourself, because it did it to me as well in my own journey.

Jannecke Øinæs 12:04
Yeah, I'm not built for Broadway or read. I'm way too sensitive and fragile, and never have made it. That's too hard and tough for me. Oh, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 12:18
No, I mean, from someone who's been in Hollywood for a lot of years. I know. It's not it's not weak people who make it in the in that kind of business. And it's, it's tough. It's a tough scenario. But um, so, I mean, when you decided to do this kind of work in 2012, YouTube was barely a thing still. I mean, YouTube was a thing, but it wasn't a thing. Yet, and spiritual conversations. That that's like crazy talk. Back then.

Jannecke Øinæs 12:47
Yeah. And I think that's why I got many views. In the beginning, I was very fortunate with that. And I didn't know even what subscribers were, I'm like, Oh, 40 people are subscribing. What is that? So I discovered everything along the way. But that was a really deep need in me. I wanted to have long conversations, without any commercial breaks. Now, we do have commercial breaks on on YouTube, though, but I was thinking TV, you know, so I wanted long conversations within these topics, because I was longing for it. And I was so frustrated at media in Norway, that when they talk about people who have had spiritual experiences, I feel like they are talking, you know, in a condescending way. Like we are a bit weird. These alternative people and almost saying these alternative thoughts are dangerous. And I was just so sick and tired of that. I wanted to really, you know, be those one of those who were working in, you know, not in the big broadcasts, but and the big media, but the trenches. Yes, that's a great word in the trenches. Yeah. To make my contribution. And to make a shift. Like that was my real big intention. And it actually still is. A lot of things have changed. But I don't see in the newspapers that they write about this. I mean, you have false, that's fortunately, have been, yeah, this there have been disclosure. But at that time, when I started out, it was like, when is the disclosure going to happen?

Alex Ferrari 14:27
Well, we're so excited. Yeah. So let me ask you this. You mentioned to me before we started having a conversation about having an out of body experience and that has kind of been your, your key or your kind of foundation, your rock in your spiritual journey, because anytime you're walking the spiritual journey, there's questions all the time you're like, is this real? You know, is it really a God is it really afterlife? Because of your out of body experience? It kind of grounds you in like, Well, I had that thing that was a pretty deep experience experience. Can you tell everybody about your out of body experience of what it did for you?

Jannecke Øinæs 15:07
Yeah, sure. And you're so right. I mean, since I did have that experience, I always know that there is life after death. Like, I feel that I have a knowing not just a belief. And this all happened before I started my YouTube channel in 2012. So it was actually another incident where I lost my voice. Again, this has been the story of my life, losing my voice over and over again, even though I've had surgery. So I was in Spain, doing this I was working on on this show, every night, like five days a week. Yeah, musical theater artists basically was what we were doing having different shows, for tourists in Spain. And I was singing a lot. And all of a sudden, I lost my voice again. And I had to be removed from the show in two weeks and be on a sick leave. And while I was there, I, I couldn't do anything, right. I just had to be quiet and wait for my voice to come back. So I figured that, hey, why don't I try to have spiritual experiences. Because while I was in Spain, I read these books, and I took this course about out of body experiences and astral traveling. And I thought, you know, this is a great time for me to really delve into this because I can't speak with the other show artists. So I have to be alone all the time. So I was taking this course astral travel and dreams, I think it was called. And I dived really into it. I meditated three times a day, one hour in the morning, when our midday and one hour in the evening. And I said different mantras that they taught us that is specifically to astral traveling, and out of body experiences. And I learned of course, the difference between lucid dreaming and astral traveling or no astral projecting. And I want to mention that first because, and lucid dreaming, that is to wake up in a dream. So what I believe is that when we go to sleep, we are actually out of our bodies out some are saying that you're not really out to your body or just in this cosmic mind. But maybe that, you know, what's the difference? Maybe that's the same, it all depends on the words we use the perspectives we have, you know, what is the cosmic mind? So, but the to me, I actually feel that I'm out of my body, and I think we're out of our bodies. So when we're then lucid, that means that you are in a dream, and you wake up, and you understand that you're dreaming. So let's say we're in a dream right now, we all of a sudden see like a flying elephant through the air. And that makes us ask, okay, so what reality Am I really in, and then you can do what is called some reality checks. So you can actually check if you're in the physical reality or in the astral world. A classic thing is to jump and see if you pull down again, you can look at your hand and see if it's, if it changes. You can look at digital clocks. For instance, see if they are the numbers are jumping around, you can pull your finger and that's my thing, I put my finger and then when it gets long, I understand that oh, I'm, I'm lucid. So when you then wake up in that dream, you can fly anywhere you can do anything, basically, almost anything. Now astral projecting, that is that you're consciously projecting out of your body. So you're not sleeping first, you're just lying on the bed. And then all of a sudden, you can split out of your body. And then you go into the astral world or realm, whatever that is, I really don't understand what the astral realm is. But it is said to be you know, the replica of this world, but much, much more. So everything we have in this world we have on that in that world as well. And there's different layers to the astral world as well. So you can come into dark places in the astral world or dark layers and higher realms of the astral world. So, so I was doing this course and I was meditating and meditating and meditating. And I started having some lucid dreams at first that's where where it started. And I remember it was so weird because when I was awake in a dream, it just fell So we'll but even though when I woke up again, I was like, but maybe I imagined this, but it felt really real. But my, my biggest experience, I guess, was when I was astral projecting, projecting. So I was lying on my bed. And I was saying this mantra again and again and again, first outside, and then inside. And all of a sudden, I, I feel these vibrations, that everything starts to shake. And I've learned about this, so I don't get afraid. And that's very important. Because if you get afraid, you'll just ruin the whole experience. So I knew this could happen. And then I was like, Oh, my goodness, this is happening. It's happening. So try not to be excited just to really calm and grounded. But they were huge. These vibrations were huge. And all of a sudden, I didn't know if I was up there or down here. Like where was I really. And that was the split happening. So I felt very light and very heavy at the same time. And then I knew I had to get out of my body. So I am this is a this is a technique. So I rolled over, I rolled out to my body. And that was the weirdest thing. So I was standing next to my body. And I was like, Ah, this is amazing. I know that my body is on my bed right now. And I'm standing outside of it. And again, I knew I couldn't be excited, I just had to be really neutral. So I started walking through my wall. Because that's, you know, you can do that, even though your mind is like, I can't walk through the wall. And then I'm like, Yes, I can. Because I know I'm in the astral world. So you really have to. I mean, your mind will play tricks on you. Like because it's so real, it feels even more real than here. That's what's so amazing that everything feels so much more real. That's why when I I see that there's a wall and I'm thinking I can go through the wall. I'm like, no way I can go through that wall. But I know I'm in the astral so I can go through the wall, you know. So I managed to go through that wall. And then I flew up on the roof of my building. And then I flew down again. And I looked at people and I walked around and I was like, This is amazing. I'm in another world or in the astral world, but I'm just as alive. And then I flew up in the sky and I started just flying over the ocean, it was amazing. And I came to this beautiful landscape with flowers, or the flowers were biggest trees. So it was sort of like two trees were flowers and flowers were trees, and they were enormous. And I was smelling them. And I remember that the smell is just so much stronger, and beautiful and intense than I've ever smelled before a flower could be. And the everything was just so crisp and sharp and clear and more real. I can't explain it in another way than more real. And the next thing that happens is that I fly up in the, into the heavens, because I'm like, so what am I going to do here? Like? Why am I here? And what am I going to do? And knowing now, I know now that I should have had a plan on what to do because I was basically wasting a lot of my time, right? I could have gone to the pyramids, I could have asked to see Buddha there was so many things I could do. And I'm like, let's go up to this guy because maybe God is there to the sky. And God was not there. But what I saw was this has puzzled me have always wondered if God listens to all our prayers. And if he listens to me, and especially when there have been tragedies I've always thought that how can God listen to me when these horrible things happen to people? Like are you know, shouldn't God listen to them and care about them and not me because I'm living this great life here in Norway. I have everything I need covered. So what I saw was all these telephones like a chunk of a lot of telephones in the middle of the air and it i Under stuff that it was all these prayers from people because there were a lot of voices saying, Hey, God, please help me with this. And God, please help me with that. And I don't know, I get emotional. But it was pretty intense, there was so many that were calling out for help through these telephones. And I didn't see a god or anything like that. But I sort of got the message or saw that all these telephones were picked up. They were picked up. And what I realized or felt was that every prayer is heard, every prayer is answered.

So that was a symbolic experience that I really appreciated. And that I felt was to me, because that has had been a question I had been longing to get an answer to. I think pretty fast after that, I got really excited about it. And I woke up in my body again. Because if you get afraid, or you have any heightened emotion, you smack back into your body. But after that, when I got out of my body and my 3d world and my physical world, I was so happy. I remember I walked around in the street, and I was looking at people and just smiling. And I wanted to shout out to everybody. Yes, we do exist outside our bodies is real. I have the proof. Now, I just wanted to convey this message. Because now I knew, like I didn't believe anymore. I knew I had finally had the experience myself that I'm more than this body. And I called home to my mom and dad and told them about it. And my next thought was, why are we not being taught this in school?

Alex Ferrari 27:06

Jannecke Øinæs 27:06
Goodness, this is going on. There's another dimension that I've just experienced. And we're not learning how to do this. This is crazy. And yeah, we're still not learning it in school. But it's just, it's so real.

Alex Ferrari 27:22
We're we're learning it in the School of YouTube. So yes, we this is where everyone goes now for, you know, it's the second largest search engine in the world for a reason people come here and listen to you listen to me, listen to our shows, looking starving for this information. And it's such a beautiful experience. So I have a I have a few questions. One, when I was in college, someone told me about out of body experiences. And I, I tried it. And I was completely ignorant to this whole process. No one told me about being fearful or nothing. And I was lying down and I was, I guess meditating. And I said, Okay, it's time to go. And I felt something lifting off of my body. And like, I don't know, if this happened to you did you have like a wind tunnel or something like, in your ears like, kind of thing happen?

Jannecke Øinæs 28:17
I've had several things happen, because this was just one out of body experience. I've had several and there was this one time where I had this shrieking sound that was just the most awful sound I've ever ever heard in my life. It was like a million souls were screaming.

Alex Ferrari 28:40
So what happened when I heard it like, it was like that. And I was like, oh, hell, no, I'm not doing this. I got terrified. And I opened my eyes and I got slammed back in that never did it again. So I've never been able to do it again. Because I want to, but I've never been able to do it again. But it was I felt it was almost like something was being ripped out of me. So it was like the kind of thing and I heard it and I'll never forget it. Never forget it. So it's interesting that you had something like that happened to you as well. So that was my first question. If you felt that. And when you came back in, did you feel a slamming back in or did it did it? Did you? Do you feel anything on your other side physically in you, like start if you're in pain, you feel the pain when you get back into your body?

Jannecke Øinæs 29:24
So I just woke or I didn't wake up but I just felt that all of a sudden I was in my body. I just opened my eyes and I was like, oh, now I'm back here again. But I did remember that I felt pain. Because what did I do? I think I did something I flied around, and I yeah, I hit my foot in the in the wall or something while I was flying and I was like, Oh, that really really hurt. Yes, why? And I wrote to the teachers of the course and I'm like why? Does it hurt like I felt pain just as much as I feel in the physical world? And they said, well, it's in your mind, because you believe you're flying and you hit your foot. And you're it gives you messages to your brain that I'm hit. And I that's pain. So that led me to ask the question about the pain we're feeling in the physical world, because maybe that's the same, just some messages from our brains.

Alex Ferrari 30:32
Well, yeah, of course, what I find really interesting is because both you and I have spoken to a lot of near death experiences, and the brain or the mind, at least from what you're telling me, the out of body experience goes with you. So it's your you're not soul, you're not spirit 100%, you are something in between. So, and physical, so the brain goes along for the ride, and you have to deal with the brain. Whereas even the near death experiences they have their their mind is still like I've talked to near death experiences, were four or five, I go, how did you process dying at four or five? If you're, you know, and they're like, oh, when when Shiva showed up, she spoken through three word sentences, because that's all I could understand at the time. So the brain seems to go with us until we're out of being completely on the other side. But it's really interesting that you, you had to kind of deal with it on the other side, and on the other side, on the in the astral field and the astral plane. Because you're like the foot thing.

Jannecke Øinæs 31:40
Yeah. But the thing is that I think there are different realms and different levels. And I also interviewed a lot of people have had near death experiences. And maybe they have been to different realms than where I was mainly. Yeah, so and it also depends on high. If it's a higher realm, or lower realm, and maybe the dream world is something else than having a near death experience. I don't know. Or that if you have a near death experience, the quality is just different than it is in the astral world. And boy, yeah. Yeah, and I gotta say that also that, when you're in these realms, your mind really plays a trick on you, yes. But also, what you think about is what is appearing. So everything you have in your mind at where you at, you know, vibrationally, what you're scared of how much advanced you are as a soul, that will really show up. So a lot of fearful things showed up for me, which is a challenge. And that's why to be honest, I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not doing lucid dreaming, because it takes so much effort to really have a clear mind. So if I have a lot of stress at work and stuff like that, I know, I could have quite a negative lucid dream, where negative beings are showing up. Because I'm not as clear, I'm not as conscious in my everyday life, and that will reflect itself in the astral world. So yeah, so I've met all kinds of weird things. When I continued doing out of body experiences, I had beautiful experiences. I also had some very negative experiences. So it was really challenging overall, to continue with this. And I also lost a lot of sleep, because I had to stay up so late at night and wake up early in the morning to try to have these experiences. So I really learned from it that it's important to grow. As a spiritual being, it's important to meditate, it's important to calm my mind down and work on myself. Because I think I will, you know, continue attracting a lot of these things. If I don't work on myself. That's just a theory I have, that if I have some issues in this life, they might continue in the afterlife. I don't know that. But at least that's what I felt in these experiences that what I was afraid of was showing up.

Alex Ferrari 34:36
Well, isn't that the way life is though? You know, what you think of comes towards you. If you worry about something and you worry about something you worry about something? You manifest it in many ways to yourself. I know I've had that happen to me. I remember like when I was a kid I had a new car and like I was afraid to death of being pulled over fray to death being pulled over by a police officer. Just just terrified. I had nothing. I wasn't carrying drugs or anything. I wasn't drinking anything, I was just terrified. And within a week, I got pulled over and got a ticket for speeding. And it's just like, okay, good. And I even said it to myself that I alright, good, that's out of the way I can now keep going. And then I never thought about it again. So you so that's a very interesting thing, because the astral plane. And again, this is an area that haven't really dug deeply into the astral the astral plane, what happens on that side, how our brains, it seems like what you're saying it's a reflection of the reality. So everything we have here we have there, but different. If there's more, obviously, there's no giant telephone sculpture in the sky that I could see at least here in this dimension. So there are other things that kind of pop up. So it's this weird mix of the slightly of the dream world, slightly of the other side slightly of this of the reality, it's all kind of this mishmash. in it. It's kind of like when you take a psychedelic, or plant medicine, to take shoots, opens you your consciousness up. It once it opens it up, I was talking to a yogi the other day. And he's like, Well, when you take a psychedelic, you are basically walking into a door that you were not invited to. And you're not prepared many times for what's in that door. Whereas if you reach those states, working on yourself through meditation, through spiritual practices, as a yogi would, when you walk into those worlds, you're completely prepared. But if you just take, it's like a cheat, you walk into that door, that's why a lot of people have bad trips, or scary psychedelic experiences, you know, your whole body's being ripped apart. And you know, you're talking to God, you see beings and aliens and other things like that. Because you weren't ready for it. So that sounds like that's a little bit of what you're going that you've gone through.

Jannecke Øinæs 37:05
Yeah, I'm in this was, I think 15 years ago. So I was new to spiritual development. I was curious, but I hadn't worked on myself that much. And yeah, I plunged into this without knowing so much. And I did meet a lot of negative entities that try to spoil my experience. That's what the teachers in the Corps told me that they're trying to spoil your spiritual advancement, advanced or development, because you're trying to explore the astral world, they don't want you to learn about it. They want to hold you back. And I also think that a lot of people who are very earthbound not people spirits, who are earthbound who, you know, typical ghosts, and stuff like that. If you go to the other side, and you have unfinished business, you know, we're watched this on television, serious and all that they tend tend to linger a bit in the lower astral realms. So that's, that can be what you meet, and we had some spells we were going to do and stuff like that. That was really fun. And it didn't work. And yes, it does work to say, you know, Jesus protect me and or Buddha or, or light come to me that did actually work. But it was a lot of work, like getting them off of me. And I got to it like, now they're coming again. And I remember I asked to meet Jesus one time, and this clown showed up and just tried to distract me. I just got so annoyed. So I think I kind of gave it up a little bit. But for me, the main purpose was to find an answer to my question, which was, do I exist in the afterlife or outside my body? So that was my main intention. But I think for some people, they have an intention in this life of or a mission of astral traveling a lot being out of their bodies like Jade Shaw, that I've interviewed. That's her thing. She loves it. She does it has done it tons of times, it comes easy to her, but I don't think it's for everyone. And for me, I felt like I managed to do it because I was practicing it. But it's not my thing. Overall. It's not my thing.

Alex Ferrari 39:27
Yeah, and that's, I think that goes with almost any spiritual practice. I mean, you meditation is for some people, some people it isn't some people are gonna go up to a cave in the Himalayas and sit there for a year to meditating. That's not for everybody or in a monastery. That's not for everybody. So you know, these things are to be respected. Oh, yeah. They're there to be respected. You know, when you start to meditate. Since you've been meditating for many years as well as I have, you start going deeper and deeper and deeper. Meditation is not as good is a bit evasive, if you will, as astral travel meditations a little bit more home cooking, it's not fast food at all. It's home cooking, it takes time. It's a slow process, but it opens you up and spiritually in a way that is very difficult for people to understand. Who can't get past that first five minutes, that, you know, that took me years to get to where I am today. But once you just sit down, I'm like, I'm just gonna do this. Sit here for five minutes. Okay, great. I'm gonna sit here for 10 minutes, right? And just keep going, then it starts to open things up. But then you get to a place where you can have some of the experiences that you're talking about in meditation. Where there's Yogi's that I've studied that they said that they would just go away for a couple days meditating. And they would tell their disciples, if you need me just whisper quietly in my ear, and I'll come back, because you're like, oh, it's I would much rather be there than hear things like that. Do you agree?

Jannecke Øinæs 41:07
Yeah. And what's interesting, and yeah, I loved what you said about meditation that is much more of a soft approach to it all. And I did experience that after I started practicing out of body experiences, and lucid dreaming, I actually had more other spiritual experiences, it was sort of like I opened up something. And that was really beautiful. So it was a period in my life where I felt life was really magical. And there was this other time where I was just meditating on my heart. And that was a beautiful experience that I had, I actually learned on the course that I mentioned that if you meditate on your heart, you can have much more beautiful dreams and symbolic dreams. So I wanted to try that out. So I was just lying on my bed and I meditated on my heartbeats, even though I didn't hear them, I mean, imagined that I heard them. And after a while, I started hearing them. And I think I had been lying there for an hour, all of a sudden, I just felt myself getting bigger. And this was not an out of body experience. It didn't feel like that it felt like something else. But I don't know what we're how to explain it. I just expanded and expanded and expanded. And I got huge, and I was sort of up in the universe, almost like this genie, in this lamp, you know, Allauddin halons lamp. That's what I felt that I was like a genie becoming bigger and bigger. And I was in the universe. And what the message that came to me was, was that this is how big you are. This is how huge you actually are, you think you're small. This is how big you are. And then the next sort of message that came to me was, and this is how huge everybody is, every single soul. And I was like, wow. So this is the truth of how huge we are. And I felt as huge as the universe. And the next message sort of that came was, or it wasn't a message, it was more of a feeling that I was so loved. I was so loved. But not only that, but that I loved myself. So I had this experience of this duality, that I was loved by everything and something. And I was also me loving myself. And, yeah, that was just an amazing feeling. And again, it wasn't like a, you know, came back to my body. It was just, all of a sudden, I opened my eyes, and I was in awe, because then I knew that this is the truth of who I am. And the truth is also that I am loved, and that I actually love myself, even though I don't feel like that many times that I do but that's the truth.

Alex Ferrari 44:18
Isn't it amazing how we have been lied to as a as a species for 1000s of years that we are not powerful beings, that we are not connected to God and to the Divine, that we are the small separate things that if you don't do this, or that you won't do you won't get into heaven or hell or whatever that is, or all these kinds of things. It is this lie that's been perpetrated to us for 1000s of years by governments, by societies by religions and and it's it just seems like such a horrible law. I, and when we finally you know, when you when you speak about these masters who walk the earth, they talk about self realization about realizing who you are. And that's when you find enlightenment. That's when you find the connection to Source. And I think these conversations are the beginning of those conversations in a mass mass way, because it is, what you just explained, is a visual representation of what I'm just saying right now. If we have been lied to, we are so much more powerful and creative in in control of our own destiny, then we've ever been told that we have been would you agree?

Jannecke Øinæs 45:45
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And it's so much still going on. We are being distracted all the time. I can't look at the newspaper anymore. In Norway. Just one of them is okay. The it's just fear and fear and fear and fear. And I'm like, aren't we past that we know how damaging that is to our psyche. But we are distracted all the time. And I'm not into conspiracy theories that much. It might be part of the truth. And truth is truth. From my perspective, that's something I've learned from Jamie price, I've interviewed so many people, and that really stuck with me. So that, you know, there might be some truth in conspiracy theories, but it doesn't help me to go into it, because I get too dark. And I'm too vulnerable to do that. But I do think that a lot of people that have power are conscious about this, but they don't want us to wake up too much, because then we get power. And that's been going on for 1000s and 1000s of years, even though we have clues all the way through history about enlightenment, and you know, even in Shakespeare had a lot of hidden clues. And there's a lot of mystery around Shakespeare's messages have had an interview about that. It's so interesting. So there's a lot of that in our past and even Christianity, you know, things that have been moved through, moved from the Bible about reincarnations and UFOs. And, and about our history, the pyramids are probably much, much, much older and all that and all the resistance from his historians, and people who write these books about history, or teach about it there are so resistant to open up to new discoveries, because they have been studying this and they have had, you know, their fame. And

Alex Ferrari 47:54
The Gallileo effect.

Jannecke Øinæs 47:58
Yeah, yeah. Yes. So it's about our ego, isn't it? Fear and power. And as long as people are driven by fear and power that will win. And that's a bit tricky, because these people, they have to sort of wake up themselves in order to see the purpose of actually revealing these truths.

Alex Ferrari 48:23
Yeah. And that's what our job is, right is to is to help people awaken that way. Look, I come from marketing, I come from a commercial background doing commercials, and you would see, these ad agencies, they would just delve in fear. You know, if you don't buy this product, you won't get the girl you won't get the money, you won't get the power, you won't get the respect, you will not be seen unless you have a giant logo on your shirt, that you're paying $150 for a T shirt, that really only cost two cents. And it's all about a brand. Like that makes no sense. But that is fear. It's all about fear and being seen. So we it's, it's it's all it always is. It's always doing that, but hopefully the work that you and I are doing, and many others like us who are trying to spread this kind of information out to the world, which is about light and love and the power that's within you. Jesus said, The kingdom of God is within you what I can do, you can do and more. I mean, it's fairly straightforward. It didn't work out real well for Jesus when he said it back then, but, you know, imagine walking around that time period that they did, which he thought were kind of closed off now. Can you imagine back then? You know, so, but I think now people are very awakened and are more curious, based on the numbers of our shows based on how many people watch. There's somebody who isn't there people around the world who are looking for this information and it's not readily available all over the place.

Jannecke Øinæs 50:00
Oh, yes, more and more. And, you know, we shouldn't judge the ego either. The ego is there to make us survive and help us survive and protect us. And it's part of our reptile brain. And it's 1000 years old, this old part of our brain. So yes, we're in fear a lot of us are more than in fear than others. And it's a journey to move from the head and the ego to the heart. It's a really long journey. But it happens, like women speaking about when you meditate, when you expand your consciousness, you start to see a bigger picture. And I think also, it's the, you know, the, what's the effects that the more that do, the more people that do this, all of a sudden, it goes faster and faster. And I think, I think we're in a big shift of consciousness where that is happening. But it's not easy when people are in corporations and stuff like that. And to turn this around and own, we're just going to focus on love and what you will get with this product, not what you won't get, because people are afraid of not losing money and, and not surviving. And that's the ego again. So it is a journey to be taken for sure.

Alex Ferrari 51:17
Now, I'm going to ask you a few questions. I ask all my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Jannecke Øinæs 51:22
Oh, wow. Hmm. Well, for me, it would be to live my soul's mission, to act out and do what I signed up for. Before I came down to this planet. And of B to be of service and to live my potential. It's also to follow my joy. And also to be with those I love to really share love with the people I love and just really be present. Together with the people I love. I think that's that's important. Happiness, my soul's purpose, being a service and being present when I'm with those I love. Yes!

Alex Ferrari 52:17
If you can go back in time and speak to the little girl that you used to be, what advice would you give her?

Jannecke Øinæs 52:23
I would say, Dear Jannecke. I love you. And I know it's going to be a challenging ride. I know that you're going to lose yourself, and stumble and doubt that you have value. Because the world around you. It's a tough place. And you might feel that you've lost and you are lost many times. But I want you to know that I'm always there for you. And the truth is, the deeper truth is that you are never alone. And that you are so loved. And it's so okay to make mistakes.

Alex Ferrari 53:11
How would you define God?

Jannecke Øinæs 53:13
Oh, wow, I believe God is all there is really that nothing is outside God, that I am gone, and you are God. And everything is God and this cup is God. And that we're all and it's an expression and a perspective of God and that God is really experiencing itself through all of us. So there's nothing outside of it. Everything is God. Yeah, that's what that's what I believe.

Alex Ferrari 53:46
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Jannecke Øinæs 53:48
I think there are many purposes. Actually. I don't think there's just one. I think we are on a journey, an evolution of the soul, really. I think we're expanding into something we don't know what is. I think God through us is expanding and experiencing who it can be through the hole, all of the universes. So I think the purpose of life is to evolve and expand and explore and play. And really when we ask, you know, what's the meaning of our lives? I think it is the meaning we bring everything. I think we have to create a meaning or look for the meaning and live that meaning. But I do think there's a deep deep meaning with us being here. Nothing is random coincidence. Yeah, nothing is random. There are no accidents. There are no mistakes in the universe.

Alex Ferrari 55:00
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

Jannecke Øinæs 55:04
That was easier to answer. They can find me at wisdomfromnorth.com. And also Wisdom from North on YouTube. And I also have a membership. That's Wisdom from North membership, where we have different teachers that have handpicked that have master classes every month. So we have members from all over the world. And you can find it that wisdomfromnorth.com/membership.

Alex Ferrari 55:31
And do you have any final words for our audience?

Jannecke Øinæs 55:34
Well, what has been important to me is to discover that I have a deeper purpose in this life. And I thought I was so insignificant, I thought I was so lost. But then I discovered that I did have a deeper purpose. And I do believe that what we struggle the most with is where we have our greatest gifts. Because that's where you have knowledge, when you have struggled with something, you have knowledge around it and about it, and you probably mastered so much around the tool, and then you can help people with what you have learned. So I believe there's always a deeper meaning to our struggles, and that we've meant to help others with what we've struggled with. So nothing is ever in vain. And we're all unique, and we all have something unique to contribute when, and we're supposed to do that. So holding back on our gifts on our talents. making ourselves being small, dimming our lights, is actually the the contrary of self love, then you're actually lying to yourself and lying to God and the universe because you are God. So holding back is holding back is something you will regret. So because you cannot lie to your body, and you will actually get sick and even more depressed from holding your light or dimming your light down. So start shining your light, start living your truth and live in alignment with that. And you start seeing that everything will flow much, much better. Because then you're in your truth of your creation. And that's where you're supposed to be being the unique you your unique essence of who you are. I think that's that's our purpose.

Alex Ferrari 57:34
Jannecke it has been such a pleasure and honor having you on the show today. Thank you so much for this conversation and continued success with your mission as well my dear I appreciate you.

Jannecke Øinæs 57:44
Thank you so much for the opportunity to be here and thank you so much for everything you do. I love your show and I will keep continue watching.

Alex Ferrari 57:54
Appreciate that.

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