NEW EVIDENCE: Guru & Noble Scientists AGREE: UNIVERSE Is An Illusion! with Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

In the shimmering dance of existence, one might ponder the unseen threads weaving the tapestry of our reality. On today’s episode, we welcome the profound spiritual leader Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. With an elegant blend of ancient wisdom and modern insight, Gurudev delves into the mysteries that transcend the tangible, inviting us to explore the boundless realms of consciousness.

Gurudev begins by illuminating the concept of Maya, the grand illusion. He eloquently states, “All that could be measured is Maya…but what cannot be measured is love, compassion, truth.” These timeless values defy quantification, reminding us that the essence of life often lies beyond the grasp of our senses. As we navigate the world, it’s essential to recognize that our true nature extends beyond what is visible and measurable.

In our conversation, Gurudev bridges the gap between spirituality and quantum physics, two seemingly disparate realms. He articulates, “Quantum physics says it’s all just vibrations…spirituality says the same thing but in a different language.” This intersection highlights the inherent unity of all existence, where matter and energy are merely different expressions of the same underlying reality. By understanding this, we begin to see the interconnectedness of everything around us.

The dialogue takes a fascinating turn as we discuss the Vedic concept of Maya and modern simulation theory. Gurudev reflects on the latest scientific discoveries, noting, “The world doesn’t exist the way we see or think it is…these values which cannot be measured are called that which is not Maya, which is true.” This profound statement encourages us to question our perceptions and delve deeper into the nature of reality, beyond the illusions crafted by our minds.

Exploring the purpose of life within a simulated existence, Gurudev offers a refreshing perspective: “There is nobody sitting up there who designed it all…it’s a journey to find out the center of all actions, which is a witness to actions.” He emphasizes the role of consciousness as both the observer and the creator, urging us to transcend the limitations of our individual identities and recognize the universal consciousness that pervades all.

A particularly enlightening moment arises when Gurudev discusses the nature of free will and destiny. He beautifully compares it to baking an apple pie, explaining that while certain elements are fixed (like the ingredients), there is still room for adjustment and creativity. “Life is a combination…knowing what is destiny and what is free will is our prism,” he says. This analogy underscores the dynamic interplay between predetermined aspects of our lives and the choices we make.

As the conversation deepens, Gurudev shares insights into the meditative journey and its transformative power. He advises, “Practice meditation, you will discover the enormous potential you have…your intuitive ability will start to manifest.” Through meditation, we peel away the layers of illusion, gradually unveiling our true nature. This practice not only enhances our self-awareness but also connects us to a higher state of consciousness, where inner peace and wisdom reside.


  1. The Essence Beyond Measure: True values like love, compassion, and truth cannot be quantified. Recognize and cherish these intangible aspects of life, as they form the foundation of our spiritual existence.
  2. Unity of Science and Spirituality: Embrace the harmony between quantum physics and spiritual teachings. Both realms point towards the interconnectedness of all things, reminding us that our perceived separations are mere illusions.
  3. Meditative Transformation: Regular meditation unveils our inner potential and connects us to a deeper state of consciousness. This practice helps us navigate the complexities of life with clarity and wisdom, leading to profound personal growth.

In this profound conversation, Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar invites us to transcend the illusions of Maya and explore the boundless realms of consciousness. His insights serve as a beacon, guiding us towards a deeper understanding of our true nature and the interconnectedness of all existence.

Please enjoy my conversation with Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar.

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Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 0:00
All that could be measured is Maya, that sight and smell, taste sound, all that. But what cannot be measured? Is love, compassion, truth. You can't say two kilos of love and three kilos of compassion are the 10 pounds of truth. No, these values which cannot be measured are called that which is not Maya which is true.

Alex Ferrari 0:40
I'd like to welcome to the show Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, thank you so much for being on the show my friend. I'm been a big fan of yours for a while and I love the work that you're doing Gurudev you're you and I have an allied mission in life to awaken the planet, and to make it a happier and healthier place for all of the souls. So first of all, I want to thank you and appreciate all the work that you're doing for the world.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 1:05
Thank you Alex and continue doing what you have been doing. I mean, you have been an inspiration for millions around the world.

Alex Ferrari 1:14
I am trying my friend I am trying. So my very first question to you is I wanted to delve into areas that I normally don't see you asked a lot about, which is how spirituality is mixed with quantum physics, and how those two worlds intersect. So as I know, you have a background in physics, as well as a background in spirituality. So how do spirituality and quantum physics intersect for you?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 1:38
I think quantum physics says it's all just vibrations, everything is just wavefunction. And spirituality says absolutely the same thing. But in a different language. It says everything is Panda. In the sense this panda means vibrations. And they said there are two different types of pandas one special vibration and ordinary vibration. Matter is called the special vibration. And ordinary vibration is just the space, which is non matter or just energy which is not visible for our five senses.

Alex Ferrari 2:19
So then how does the Vedic concept of Maya or illusion align with our modern discussion of simulation theory?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 2:27
You know, that's exactly what the latest Nobel laureates in physics, for last year's Nobel laureates in the three scientists have said the world doesn't exist. The way what we see or think it is, Maya, you know, the word measure in English comes from the Sanskrit word called Maya. That means that which can be measured. And all that could be measured is Maya, that sight and smell, taste sound, all that, but what cannot be measured? Is love, compassion, truth, you can't say, two kilos of love and three kilos of compassion, the 10 pounds of truth, no, these values which cannot be measured, are called that which is not my admit is true.

Alex Ferrari 3:23
So if we are living in a simulation group, what is the purpose of this simulation? And is there a player playing? The the game? If this is a game, a simulation, let's say, and we are players in a video game, our avatars are Who is playing the player? And what is above that? And then who designed that? Who designed it all in the first place?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 3:49
First of all, there is nobody sitting up there who design and who makes you do a mistake and then comes after you to punish you. You know, it's what is this? I would say, is science, knowing objectively and who are my spirituality, and the whoever my question takes you in the journey to really find out the center of all actions, which is a witness to actions. Number one, second is that spirit by which everything is made and in which everything is almost like hologram, you know, in hologram, you get all the it's the same light, which comes as all different characters. In the same way, we see that one universal consciousness, and it's play and display as the whole fun in creation.

Alex Ferrari 4:55
There is a concept that I've been hearing a lot about because I have conversations with a near death experiencers and spiritual masters like yourself, who say that everything is happening all at once. So there is no past there is no future. There were I always my analogy is we are at the point in the record, the record is our existence. And the soul is where where we are right now is the point on the needle, touching the record. But everything has already happened in the past and in the future. How can you explain that to somebody? In a way that makes sense because it's a hard concept to understand that everything is happening all at once? And how does that interact with freewill?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 5:35
See, if you're if you're flying higher up and if you apply about the ocean, and you look down, the waves appear to be stationary, you will see on the beach, you will see just a line of white lining of waves which appear to be not moving at all. Have you noticed that? Yes, of course. Of course. Yeah. But when you come down, then you see it's not the same wave every minute there is a new wave coming up. So this is a combination of both classical chemistry and quantum physics that is there the truth is they both are correct. For example, I can say this is all wood. Yes, that's true. When it comes to fire this will all burn but then they say no the chair is not the Table Table is not the door door is not the floor floor is not the ceiling. It's very different. If you say the chair has to be door I say no, it's not so. So in the same way in life there is freewill and destiny. Life is neither all destiny or nor all freewill is what I'm saying. Like your height is your destiny. And your weight is your freewill.

Alex Ferrari 7:00
My free my freewill has been going crazy lately, Gurudev. I need to work on my freewill. No question about it. I think most of us do in the West have to work on our freewill. But that's a really good point of view. Because you're right, when you're born, you're going to be six foot tall, you're going to be five foot tall. That's nothing, absolutely nothing you can do about that. It's just part of your destiny, but your weight, or where you walk or how you walk, those kind of like what direction you walk, is your free will. But there's things but are there markers in your life that are destined. So in other words, there will be that car accident, you will be born to these parents, you will go down this this road or you will be you know, in the music industry or you will be in an author there's certain things that will happen.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 7:50
But there's different Right, right. You know, it's like baking an apple pie. Once you bake an apple pie, and the apple you cannot bring it to its original, you know, unburied, you cannot make it on Big Apple. But if the the sweetness is less you put a little more syrup in it. If it's too much syrup, you put a little more apple or flow, you can play around with that. Similarly, it's you know, if it's raining outside it is destiny, but to get wet or not to get wet is your freebo you can take an umbrella and you will stay dry. Right. So, life is the combination and knowing what is the city what is free will is our prism, how we apply our wisdom to accept the destiny and to play with the free will is all up to us.

Alex Ferrari 8:50
So what is the difference between knowledge and wisdom?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 8:55
Knowledge is that you simply hear and you appreciate wisdom is that becomes part of your life.

Alex Ferrari 9:03
Beautiful answer to that. Now Lately there has been a lot of talk in in the zeitgeist about the multiverse, other dimensions, other realities, these are concepts that have been in the Vedic texts for millennia, but it is starting to come people are becoming more aware of it and also more accepting of these ideas and also with quantum physics. So how do spiritual dimensions align with multiple realities in quantum physics?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 9:35
You know, spiritual dimension accepts this, it reveals the multiple dimensions. You know, first of all, we must know that we have three dimensions that everyone go through waking, dreaming and sleeping. Now, if we understand these three dimensions, well, which we don't usually we ignore We just do not even pay any attention to our dreams, we don't pay attention to our deep sleep, or even ponder into it. If we do this, then we have the fourth state of consciousness, which is none of this, but is in the background of all that which one can experience in meditation. But then, if we move on with that, practice, then we get into a state, then that inner calmness, serenity, the witness consciousness exists. In spite of all other activity you do, whether you're sleeping or dreaming everything, you get into another dimension, then we have access to other subtle energies, subtle words that are around us. You know, our brain is like a frequency analyzer. You see, and we can use it the way they want, once we are very familiar with it,

Alex Ferrari 11:03
Can you explain to me or can you explain to the audience, the process of meditation, and after years of practice in meditation, what starts to happen spiritually to you, because from my perspective of I've been meditating six, seven years, pretty steadily hour to two hours a day. And I've seen from the first moments where I could barely hold together 15 minutes, to where I could sit now for two or three hours, and how I feel the energy, the the access to my inner voices, access to vision, sometimes all these kinds of things, it seems to be growing, can you explain to people what power that meditation has in this life and in this reality,

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 11:50
You know, the code of conduct for meditation teacher, is not to tell them, You have to experience this or that or that and that, you know why? Because that would be a hindrance, that people's progress in meditation is, you know, I say, Oh, you will see blue light or do this and that, then someone sits with eyes closed, and they try to anticipate that sight type of experience, which can turn into a hallucination or an obstruction for them to go deep with them. But all that I could say is practice meditation, you will discover the enormous potential you have, you will discover you are nothing but light, your discovery, your love, and your intuitive ability will start to manifest. And your innovative spirit becomes very high. So these are the benefits of meditation that you can reap that we can of course, say, but what you should have in meditation, it isn't better not said

Alex Ferrari 13:06
I agree with you 110%. When when you go deep into meditation is it seem, it seems like you're almost seeing behind the curtain of Maya, you're starting to grab on to the truth, if you will, of who we really aren't kind of disconnecting from the illusion and understanding Oh, really? The light I am really the soul. I'm really that is that? Is that correct?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 13:36
Yeah, it starts with I'm not this, I'm not this, I'm not this. And I'm not my emotions, which are changing all the time, I'm not these thoughts, and I'm not even my body, all the things in my body is changing, you know, everything is changing. So fast, you recognize the changing world around you. And then you realize, you can only see the change, you can recognize the changes when you accept and acknowledge that is something that is a reference point, which is not changing. And slowly you step into that reference point, that self referential value. And that's it, then you have no questions.

Alex Ferrari 14:22
Very, very interesting. Now, I I've been a devotee of Paramahansa Yogananda for many years and the his book autobiography, Autobiography of a Yogi really changed the way I looked at life and spirituality. There's a There's a story in there. I'd love to hear your partner's perspective on it, where he was talking about a yogi or a master, who was a two places at the same time. And how can that be explained through quantum physics? Because it sounds very quantum physics see, being two places at the same time, but he was talking Think about that years before those concepts really being delved into in quantum physics. So I'd love to hear your perspective on that.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 15:07
You know, it's not the physical body, the body, flesh and bones are different than the subtle body of light. You know, our subtle body can manifest in many places, it can be many places. Yes. Possible.

Alex Ferrari 15:21
Does quantum physics, have any answers for the reality? How possible?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 15:28
Oh, yes. You know, the boom boxes are in many houses that were the tube of television tubes are in many places. And that same, you know, wavelength or read, the radio waves are everywhere. They manifest in different, you know, television sets, isn't it?

Alex Ferrari 15:55
You just did you? Okay. Okay. So that's kind of making a little bit more sense because the yogi, or the Masters figured out how to translate that signal to another place without a television, let's say, but those signals are around us at all times. Does that make sense?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 16:13
Yeah, you see, televisions are very different. They are in one place only. But the radio waves are everywhere, right? So your body is in one place. But what the body is reflecting is the spirit is the energy in you. The wavelength, Alexis, the Waveland that Alexa Waveland can be the place to is beautiful.

Alex Ferrari 16:35
Now, is there any quantum explanations for spiritual experiences, like, quote unquote, enlightenment, which is something that the West is chasing? Like, it's a destination? From my understanding, it is not a destiny, it's not a room you walk into? It is? So can you is there any way to explain those things?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 16:57
If just chipping off the extra mile. It's your very nature.

Alex Ferrari 17:03
Very Michelangelo of you. That is, that is the concept of enlightenment is just taking off the unneeded air unneeded

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 17:14
Correct! It's peeling the banana off.

Alex Ferrari 17:20
Beautiful. Now, is there any, any quantum Is there any quantum phenomenon that hints at reincarnation? Or the afterlife? In your opinion?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 17:34
Oh, yeah, we know we have three bodies, the physical body, and then the subtle body of emotions, thoughts, and our idea that that identity, and then the causal body, which is even bigger, usually people think our mind is in the body, I would say, the body is inside the mind. I often give this example of the week have a candle and the glow around it. So our bodies just a blink of a candle. And the glow is what we are.

Alex Ferrari 18:12
It's also beautiful. Yeah.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 18:15
And the subtlest body or the causal body, what we call is, is huge. So in deep sleep, we are in touch with our causal body. in dream state, we are in the subtle body. So it makes a big difference. You know, if you are only in your subtle body, and you had dreams all night, when you wake up, you will feel very tired. But when you have had deep sleep, what is happening in the phenomenon is you are you are with your causal body, which is the source of all energy, enthusiasm, freshness, liveliness, everything. So when you wake up after a deep sleep, you feel very refreshed, energized, charged, but you do. We sleep every night, but we have never met with the sleep. We've never shaken hands with our deep sleep. meditation helps you to do that. It time comes when you're able to sleep consciously. Even if you're snoring, you know you're snoring. You are dreaming, you know you are dreaming. And that is when I say life really begins. Then life becomes a celebration. I call it enlightenment you may call anything, but this is exactly where you are mastering your like physical body. Like someone who doesn't, you know, everybody has the same limbs, but someone who has mastered they can dance as a ballet ballet dance. You know how the ballet dancer they jump up and do all sorts of things. With so much confidence about their own body, physical body, in the same way, you can be confident about your subtle and causal body.

Alex Ferrari 20:10
As beautiful Institute we're talking a lot about these causal bodies and other aspects of yourself and dreams, the dreams, the dreamscape, I'd love to hear your perspective on near death experiences, because there's something that's also come up in the last 40 or 50 years, a lot of people coming out with these Near Death Experiences saying that they go to the other side, and come back. I'd love to hear your perspective on it. And is there anything in the Vedic texts? Talking about your deaths?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 20:39
Oh, yes, yeah. Yeah, you can you can experience it. When you go deep in meditation, you too, can do that you can have an out of body experience, it's not a big deal at all.

Alex Ferrari 20:51
Not for you. But for many people who have them, it could be a big deal, my friend.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 21:00
It's a fight. I mean, you know, this near death experience gives a glimpse to those who are just stuck with their little intellect and think this is all that that there is. And this is what you know, is true for them. It gives a little glimpse of a world, beyond our intellect, beyond our perceived sensory experiences. And that's good. It's like, you know, in a dark night, when there is the lightning that happens, you suddenly see all the buildings around you, in the same way. This near death experiences, I would say, is just that lightning in a dark night, with gives you a glimpse of what are hidden. But then meditation, you know, it's like being in the daylight, you can see everything.

Alex Ferrari 21:54
Yes, very true. Very true. Well, I agree with that. Let me ask you, for people who are skeptical about this conversation or that there is another side or this other world? I'm sure you've come across people who are skeptical in your work, your work? What would you tell them to? What would you say to them? If they're listening to this, that means there's a curiosity that is a scratch an itch that needs to be scratched, but they're still their intellect to saying this is not possible. This is all BS. This is not working? What would you say to them?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 22:27
Not being skeptical is very good. I will say, people who are skeptical can find the truth. But not those who are cynical. Do not let your skepticism slip into cynicism. Skeptical at Outlook is good. With the possibilities, you should keep the hope of possibilities play. So then you move towards many possibilities. And any intelligent person will always see from the area of possibilities. You see, skepticism is that center point from where you either slip into a scientific temper, no science can afford to be skeptical. They have to be open minded and more curious about things. On one side, there is curiosity. On the other side of skepticism is cynicism. So this is the middle point. And from here, you can really become curious, when you are curious. You will your quest for truth for knowledge for your authentic experience will wake up. Yeah, you don't have to be a believer, I would say a believer is already in some concept you already believe in concept, which you don't know. But if you're skeptical, it's okay. It's the right place to start. But as I said, You should go into quest of truth.

Alex Ferrari 24:10
Let me ask you this. Right now. It seems like spirituality and science are starting to come closer and closer and closer than they've ever been in recorded history to our knowledge. And the more people in science and quantum physics tried to answer questions, the kind of closer they're getting to spiritual ideas and concepts that have been around for 1000s of years. Do you find that to be true?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 24:36
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, there are two thoughts in the world. One is the Oriental thought was never against science. Not one scientist was ever persecuted in the Oriental thought because it always emphasize on experience first and then believe when they say In the occidental thinking, it says you believe first and someday in the future, you may get experience. So they are very opposite. And the paradigm of scientists, science always supports the former one. The later one, science does not approve this, I don't believe but first, let me experience it, then I will build it. Right. And so Oxford do both are correct, both have their own values. But science is more close to the Oriental Philosophy just because the methodology is the same. The criteria is the same.

Alex Ferrari 25:44
Is that why it's taken so long for quantum physics to even be somewhat accepted, because in the physics community, in the science community, quantum physics is still, as Einstein called it spooky, because they can't, you know, quantum entanglement, it doesn't make you can't really prove kind of quantum, it doesn't make sense to them in the, in the time and space world, but in the quantum world, it makes all the sense in the world. So why is that? Why are? Why is the establishment having so much trouble grabbing on to these new ideas?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 26:16
Then, you know, as I said, this skepticism, we from the quest, when we move into skepticism, it takes longer time.

Alex Ferrari 26:27
Of course, that makes all the sense. Now, in quantum physics, there's something called the observer effect. How does that relate to consciousness in spirituality?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 26:37
Ofcourse, of course, in Sanskrit, there is a proverb that says, the atomic drishti that acidity, as you see, and that's how things would come, that means the observer has an impact on everything he is observing.

Alex Ferrari 26:54
So in quantum physics, to my understanding, there's a particle, but it doesn't really do anything until it's being observed, once it's being observed, then it can be meant to kind of be moved just purely by the observation. So consciousness has a similar effect, I mean, without consciousness, this body wouldn't move, it would just be a bunch of cells together, correct?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 27:18
It, you know, it's as simple as the waves in the ocean, every wave has an impact on any other way, right. So, wave has come and this wave has an impact on the other wave. And in total, every wave is part of the ocean and the ocean impact the wave and vice versa. So everything impacts everything else. That's so obvious, when you to see from the angle of physics or from spirituality, you feel the same Unison there

Alex Ferrari 27:51
Can you explain to people the concept of parallel realities. And from a spiritual perspective or from Vedic perspective,

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 28:02
The moment you accept the layers of reality. And you have accepted parallel reality. As I said, the quantum chemistry is real, you see. And point of physics is real. It's the same Dow you make the cake from that same Dow you make sourdough bread and you make pasta, you make pizza, you make Japan at all, but the base is the same right? So, like this, the world of differences, it just a celebration of the world of oneness. So multiple dimensions and parallel realities are very true. I would say, we must start from instead of just imagining, we must start from our own dream state. A dream state is appears to be very real when we are dreaming. Right? And there are five different types of dreams. So some of the time we can go in the in depth of these. But what I would say for your question, I would just say, yes, there are parallel. Worlds in parallel realities are there but make sure you don't get lost in any one of them. Why? Then it's like a needle stuck in the in the radio between two stations and you hear two things together, then you need doctor's help. Then you had to go and get it fixed. So I would not recommend anyone to get into this too much. You know, there are channeling you can channel different energy get different knowledge Coming out of it. Sometimes dwelling in too much of the psychic thing can take you far away from this reality, the physical reality we are. So we need to have a perfect balance. See in life. So this is very important. That's why in the saints community, I would say saints community among saints when they talk, if someone says, Oh, someone got enlightened said, this is intellect, okay? This is a first question they ask. Well, that's really see. So you have to live in all these different reality at a time. So it's necessary for one to take imbalance attitude in life. You see, you can't suddenly bring 1000 word energy into a bulb, which can only have 200 watts. So we need to increase the capacity of our system of our nervous system to reflect on different realities, first of all, and then, as I said, we will have a very balanced and steady attitude in.

Alex Ferrari 31:21
Yeah, so so when you're when you are. In other words, you just can't be enlightened overnight, quote, unquote, or have access to these realities overnight because your physical body and mind can't process that kind of energy or water or wattage, correct. That's why it takes years and years to build up the nervous system. To handle this kind of energy. I've I've spoken to channels, who've told me that that the first time a channeled energy came in, it was like they were about to explode almost. And if they weren't prepared for it, it could actually overload their circuits.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 32:01
Yeah, I wouldn't say it will take years and years. It takes time. It takes a little time. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 32:07
It takes time without question. Can you? Can you explain this concept of the now for people? Because it's such an interesting and simple but very complicated idea, the now and how that and how that aligns with quantum theory in general.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 32:29
The now?

Alex Ferrari 32:35
That was the answer. We were there. Were there already.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 32:39
It has no explanation. If you explain either you are in the past, I've been passed again, your inner chewing, which has already been chewed. Now,

Alex Ferrari 32:52
Now, now again, now again, that's beautiful.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 32:57
The one thing that stays forever is now

Alex Ferrari 33:02
And that's the only thing we have is now. Yeah, it's the only thing we have, when we go back to what we were saying before in regards to like, oh, he just got enlightenment is his intellect. Okay. That's very interesting. Because when you are when you tap into the truth of who we are, and that knowledge, let's say you have access to all the knowledge in the universe, all of a sudden, that has to deal psychologically, that must have some effect on the saint that is happening to, but is it? Are they just been preparing so long that they can accept it and deal with it? Or sometimes is it go off the rails a bit?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 33:44
It's possible it goes off.

Alex Ferrari 33:47
Right! It's something Well, let me ask you this with with ego. There's, I mean, I'm sure you've come across, you know, people who are like, I am the most spiritual, I am much more spiritual than you. That's the ego chasing the spiritual goal as opposed to a financial goal or career goal or a lover is now chasing the spiritual goal. How can we not fall into that trap of the ego running our spiritual quest?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 34:16
The venue of vision is broad and there is very little chance what you identify yourself as me is what is not even a speck of dust in the whole universe. Right. So when the magnanimity when the when this magnificent, enormous universe is in your consciousness, there is nothing that holds you back and identify yourself I am and the most one person and the one who have no ego other stuff. These are all it's not kindergarten stuff. You know, that time, I would say ego is nothing but a wall of separation, I am different from the others that one. And at some point of time this, this doesn't exist, it's not prominent just drops. So there is no comparison. That's why I say, in spiritual field comparison is something that first drops the drops off by itself, you don't need to do uniqueness is something that well sup See, everyone is so unique. See, and then in this whole unit where there is no, high or low, but this is all blue, that reality that just dance on one,

Alex Ferrari 35:52
Now can in your opinion, can the quantum field theory be seen as a magnification of cosmic consciousness?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 36:03
Yes, sir, no, you can say, yes, it gives you it just shocks your intellect to become still and stand for a while. So that's it. And so when you said that Satan, you are in the now and in all see, science leads you to a space of all you know, say, well, and when the love is dead, that's the basis that's a preface for spiritual awakening. Spirituality. First step is miss my insensitive, that's called astonishment. Astonishment leads you in the spiritual path. Okay,

Alex Ferrari 36:51
So Gurudev, in your experience, right now, throughout your life, have you seen this kind of consciousness awakening in humanity, more so than you did when you were born? To where we are now having these public conversations?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 37:06
I cannot compare and I will not. Because at different places, different people have different experiences. We never had social media. We never had even cell phones in those days. How can we say that people didn't have a Huawei experience in their life? You know, but I it will be a futile exercise, I would say it's like counting how many waves are arising from indoor activities. In times in time, and again, people have recorded their experiences. And those experiences have stood up. That doesn't mean others did not have those experience.

Alex Ferrari 37:51
Yes. Now, can you tell me really quickly about your World Cultural Festival and what you're trying to achieve with it?

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 37:58
You know, festivals are they're not to achieve anything but to express what is. So while Culture Festival is an expression of diversity, if you really want to say it, that it attribute any achievement to it, I would say it is most needed today. As we are so polarized in the world, in this country, especially rising violence 2.9 mass shootings per day, and one person taking his or her life every 42nd All these the, you know, maladies of our society can over can only be overcome by coming together and realizing seeing life from a bigger perspective of One World family. So we will be having meditation, when we meditate all together, it creates a more collective spirit and energy. it uplifts the consciousness. So there will be a big meditation, and then music and dance and world cuisine people to share healthy food from around the world. Yes. Every five years we have been holding this. This is the fourth edition of world culture festival and it's here in Washington DC and on the knowledge rent, I would say all these other questions what you have been asking I put this latest book which has become the best seller now knows for the journey within this book. Given tips of how you can manage your emotions, how to be in touch with that element deep inside of you, which is so beautiful and it is Though full of love and light,

Alex Ferrari 40:03
I appreciate my friend Garudev, thank you so much for being on the show. And thank you for all the amazing work you're doing in the world. I appreciate you.

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar 40:10
Wonderful, bye!

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