UC Berkeley Physicist UNCOVERS Supernatural Phenomena CHANGING OUR Reality! with Cynthia Sue Larson

Cynthia Sue Larson is the best-selling author of several books including Quantum Jumps, Reality Shifts, and High Energy Money. Cynthia has a degree in physics from UC Berkeley, an MBA degree, a Doctor of Divinity, and a second degree black belt in Kuk Sool Won.

Cynthia is founder of RealityShifters, first president of the International Mandela Effect Conference, managing director of Foundations of Mind, and creator and host of Living the Quantum Dream podcast. She has been featured in numerous shows including Gaia, the History Channel, Coast to Coast AM, One World with Deepak Chopra, and BBC. Cynthia reminds us to ask in every situation, “How good can it get?”

Please enjoy my conversation with Cynthia Sue Larson.

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Cynthia Sue Larson 0:00
We have a responsibility to take things seriously when we start noticing that what we're looking for and what we're expecting and the questions we're even asking, or what if they are bringing about what we're observing? If that's the case, then suddenly there's a responsibility on each of us that's a little greater than we might cavalierly assume we might think, like, I'm just, I'm just playing around the thoughts in my head. I'm not really doing anything dangerous, but it really helps to be on a spiritual path. I know for myself, I am on a short leash, because it's too easy for me to think something let's start going down the wrong path. And after having gone through Kundalini, I would just blow out all the appliances in a room if I walked in in a bad mood.

Alex Ferrari 0:43
I like to welcome to the show Cynthia Sue Larson. How are you doing Cynthia?

Cynthia Sue Larson 0:57
Awesome, Alex, such a pleasure to be with you today.

Alex Ferrari 1:01
Oh, my gosh, thank you so much. I truly appreciate that I, I am a fan of yours and the work that you're doing in the world as well. We're here we're going to be talking about your book Quantum Jumps. And we're gonna get into the weeds on some stuff. Because if anyone who listens to my show knows, I love these conversations about reality about quantum shifting about the Mandela Effect, we're gonna go deep down some rabbit holes. So everybody listening, prepare yourself, because this is gonna be a fun episode. So. So the first question is, you're a quantum physicist, correct? Or a physicist?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:37
Yeah, I got my degree at UC Berkeley, right. And I've written a paper co authored one with George Wiseman fairly recently about quantum paradigm and the objectivity assumption, so forth. So

Alex Ferrari 1:49
So coming from a science background, how did you kind of mix in spirituality from such a, you know, kind of more rock, not rock solid, but just kind of like materialistic point of view in physics, to more quantum physics and where that's going and how that how spirituality got mixed into all of that?

Cynthia Sue Larson 2:10
Okay, that's a big question. But I guess the short answer would be I've been a mystic all my life at something called more born aware. And there's a book by Diane Branden, she wrote a book called Born aware, and I'm in the chapter called, oops, wrong planet. It's like, for those of us who kind of remember what it was like, before we were here, and I just remember the bliss out experience of being between lives, it was awesome. And I felt like I needed some downtime. But I want to say that because that really does lay the groundwork. When I've been witnessing energy, you know, seeing things that other people don't see, noticing what I call reality shifts, what people now call Mandela effects all my life. So being a lifelong experience or that way. And then things got ramped up after a kundalini awakening. All of that contributed to my bringing together science, spirituality, and, you know, these experiences of, you know, just being a mystic, basically. And I did similar to Jude caravan. She's a physicist in England. Yeah, yeah. I was talking to her recently on my podcast. And she and I, both at a very young age saw, what we have come to realize was Indras. Net. And it's basically all of consciousness, shining like jewels in this web, this interconnected web of oneness. And I had that vision at a very young age that that's really what I'm here to be working with is this web of consciousness. I think we might call it the matrix sometimes. But it's interesting to me that two of us, I don't know anybody else who's had that childhood experience. But that stood out for me. At least two of us.

Alex Ferrari 3:49
So when you went into science, were you already spiritually inclined?

Cynthia Sue Larson 3:54
Yes. Although it was in a backseat position until my Kundalini awakening around, you know, the night early 1990s. And then, that was a huge rocket blast into the weirdness. I mean, there was no, there was no more ignoring that, that things are happening at levels that we don't usually talk about, let alone acknowledge or admit are real. So you know, things like having 360 degree vision around myself, which is technically impossible if you're looking with your eyes, and having access to events that were quite a distance away, kind of like remote viewing instantly, of things that I wasn't intending to see and lots of other things. So it was just no more ignoring that.

Alex Ferrari 4:41
So when you you obviously are very accomplished in academia and you were able to get your master's and you went to different I mean, I saw the the list of credentials, it's fairly impressive. So when you decided to come out as this kind of like with like with Jude as well, I mean, you're very well respected in the science community, then you start talking, quote unquote woowoo. And start talking about this kind of stuff. But really explaining it with your education and understanding of physics and quantum physics. What was that like for you as a scientist, because there's so many closeted quantum physicists who believe pretty much everything you might believe, or more even, but won't come out because they're not brave enough. They don't want to lose tenure. They don't want to be, you know, ridiculed, sometimes by the establishment. How did you proceed to do this?

Cynthia Sue Larson 5:35
Well, it helped that I, I did have a master's degree in business. And so I was working in the business field, I think that helped, because then when I decided, when I had the Kundalini awakening, I realized, okay, I'll be, I'll be going public with this, bringing it out in the open, starting a website, talking about reality shifts, writing about it, writing books, and so forth. That was sort of the kickoff, like things are not normal. After that Kundalini awakening in the early 90s. That took five years for me to integrate. Because it was just, it was that difficult to go from having been indoctrinated really, in our western educational system, which relies so heavily on objectivity, which does not really exist. That's that recent paper I just wrote with George Wiseman. And it's an assumption, but it's kind of an incorrect one, when we look at quantum physics, but it people get so steeped in it, including physicists who are my friends who they know, I've talked to quite a few of them. And you're right that privately, many bizarre things have happened to several of them. But it's hard for them to contextualize their experience in light of what they've been indoctrinated to believe. So it's a heavy burden that all of the scientists tend to carry. And it's, it's a tough one to break free from. So how did I do it? Well, I never lost the mystical side of myself. I was recognizing even at UC Berkeley that the easiest way for me to answer a quantum physics question, for example, was just to write down the answer, because that was obvious, and then figure out okay, I better show some work here. Sometimes you didn't have to show much work and like, thank goodness, I think like a quantum being, which we all are. So I think it's interesting to, to sort of see that people when they've been steeped in these assumptions, that things like objectivity, and that only what only the material world that we can measure is real. These are huge assumptions, and they're completely wrong.

Alex Ferrari 7:33
Now, we've mentioned mandela effect a couple of times. Can you explain to the audience what the Mandela Effect is?

Cynthia Sue Larson 7:41
Okay. Well, my definition of it would be that it's shared collective alternative memories. So they're alternative to what the official history is. They're not misremembering. I know, that's what you'll see if you go to many websites, and perhaps dictionaries even. But we need to reclaim this and recognize that to assume that we know what's happening. And that oh, we know, it's misremembering, this throwing the baby out with the bathwater. When we're observing something, that's probably the biggest technological tool of our time. It's exactly showing up right? When humanity needs something to get us through insoluble problems that may be global may be universal. And we may think we're stuck. But to me, the Mandela Effect is showing that things can change in just a split second, and they can change across huge scales. And for large numbers of people.

Alex Ferrari 8:36
So just so we kind of bring down the Mandela effect down to something that people couldn't understand, because that's right now a very theoretical idea. So I want everyone listening to tell me, who was the person giving big checks away for publisher clearing house? Who was it in your world? And I'll tell you who I remember it was.

Cynthia Sue Larson 8:57
Yeah, who? Give me a second, I guess. I'd love to know who you remember.

Alex Ferrari 9:01
It's Ed McMahon. It's always been Ed McMahon, but then if you go to the publisher Clearinghouse website, they say Ed McMahon has never been a part of Publisher Clearinghouse. I'm like, Are you I remember seeing commercials with him with the big checks at people's door. Ed McMahon was always and for the younger people edit McMahon was the co host of the sidekick of Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show, right? 45 years or however many years Johnny was on. So he was just very well known for the Publishers Clearing House, but you can look it up now. It's not there. And I can start rattling off things that I like, is it GIF, peanut butter, or Jiffy peanut butter? It's Jiffy in my world. I remember. It's Jeff here. But now there's like no, it's never been Jeff. It's always been Jeff. I'm like that's No, it doesn't make sense. One of my favorites is a line from the 1989 In a 90 movie Field of Dreams, yes. The very famous line that when Kevin Costner is in the corn, like if you build it, they will come.

Cynthia Sue Larson 10:09
And it made sense, that made sense.

Alex Ferrari 10:12
If you build it, they will come because they came at the end. Yeah, well watch the movie tonight. And it will say, If you build it, he will come. By some BS. I remember they, I was, I was a young filmmaker growing, I remember that movie very, very clearly. So what do you have any of these kinds of like, shifts in life? Because and I've had conversations with people. I've had other people on the show that I've just kind of mentioned, Mandela Effect before. And I mentioned a few of those. And you hear in the comments, and McMahon, he absolutely was or it was Jiffy this is. So you start questioning this if you just type in Google Mandela Effect stuff, and you'll just start seeing it. And it's called Mandela Effect. Why can you?

Cynthia Sue Larson 10:59
Yeah, that goes back to Nelson Mandela, who was one of the early people that that was reported and recognized, strangely, to be alive again, even though a lot of people remember that he had died. So Art Bell, I want to give him credit, because he really was collecting these stories on the air for coast to coast. And then Fiona Broome, she gets the credit for popularizing the term that I really want to credit art bill with. Prior to that, in the 1990s. When I wrote my book, Reality Shifts When Consciousness Changes the Physical World. I mentioned a different actor that was alive again. So it was the actor from Dallas, and I Dream of Jeannie. Oh, yeah. What's his name? Yeah. The Larry Hagman. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, so it would be the Hagman effect if that had caught on. But that did not catch on. I'm just glad that it didn't. I think Nelson Mandela is perfect. So we call it we call it the Mandela effect, because he was the first case of someone being alive again, that was widely recognized as this is crazy. We remember, this guy passed away while incarcerated on Robins Island, we remember that there was some people remember the controversy in the news about his widow, kind of going head to head with some of the state government people the powers that be to get some of his possessions and things back there just a little tussle politically, and also financial and economically and for the legacy of his, you know, this, the value of the dead hand to so many people. But now, of course, he did not die while in prison. He actually went on to become the president of South Africa, which is startling, because it's just very different than what a lot of people do remember. So that's, that's, I call it the alive again, subset of reality shifts. However, it's caught on as the main idea. I mean, that word, Mandela effect that's talking about all of these changes.

Alex Ferrari 12:55
So do you have any that you remember?

Cynthia Sue Larson 12:57
Yes, I remember Jane Goodall, she, in my recollection, I think she's alive right now. Thank goodness. Yes. Yay. And I saw her not too long ago, a few years ago. But she, in my memory, she passed away, also murdered one month after Diane Fossey was murdered. And to me, the when Diane Fossey was murdered, I was shocked. I thought, that's terrible. Why would that happen? And then, when Jane Goodall was also murdered in a different location, and she they studied different things, but both of them were primate researchers. And at that point, I just thought, no, that's unacceptable. That can't be happening. But it did happen. And it was in the news, and it was terrible tragedy. And thank Thank heavens, it's no longer true. But a lot of people remember as I do, that Jane Goodall passed away was murdered. See, it's very specific memory. And also just like one, for me, it was like a month after it within a one month window, right after Dian Fossey,

Alex Ferrari 13:55
Do you have any products you remember to name differently?

Cynthia Sue Larson 13:58
Oh, gosh, lots of them. You know, for me. Yeah. Well, the VW logo totally looks different, you know. So that's not a product. Well, it's a car product. So it seems like the V the W going together. It would be such a wonderful marketing tool the way you know, it looks so beautiful. And but now it's got you know, the difference with the little line between the V and the W is was what makes it different. I remember KitKat had a hyphen. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 14:27
I know of course. KitKat had a hyphen. Yeah.

Cynthia Sue Larson 14:30
And then the Fruit of the Loom definitely had a cornucopia. And that was on the underwear.

Alex Ferrari 14:35
Wait a minute. I'm sorry. I'm sorry fruit of the loom. I know what cornucopia it didn't it does not have a cornucopia.

Cynthia Sue Larson 14:41
It does not have a cornucopia. If you look it up, now it does not

Alex Ferrari 14:47
Cornucopia. See it in my head right now. I see the logo. I see the little it's I mean, I grew up with four Fruit of the Loom when I was a kid, of course.

Cynthia Sue Larson 14:56
So you remember it. You remember looking at that logo. I think it's Yeah, we were wondering what's the what's this little basket sort of brings up the idea.

Alex Ferrari 15:04
I didn't know what a cornucopia was when I was a kid. But I remember after I learned what a cornucopia was that little kind of horn shaped basket? Yes, part of the Fruit of the Loom logo. That's just not a. So I know we're driving everyone who's listening crazy right now, because they're all remembering? Of course it is. No, it isn't. But it's, there's this, this is the kind of conversation you know, we can go on, there's like, you go to just type in mandela effect. And there's websites dedicated to all these shifts in our collective memory about things, from movies to song lyrics, to book titles to logos, geography,

Cynthia Sue Larson 15:39
North America, South America, they're kind of sliding apart, they used to be one on top of the other, more or less, but now South America has been taking off for the East. It's kind of like going go into the right.

Alex Ferrari 15:50
So so. So let me ask you from a quantum physics point of view, what the hell is happening? What is causing this, these reality shifts?

Cynthia Sue Larson 16:01
I'd say they are, to me, it's a synonymous term. So I feel like I've been studying this phenomenon since the 1990s. And so my research goes a bit farther back than the official terminology of Mandela Effect. But it's really the same thing. It's looking at the way it was always groups of people remembering things differently noticing it. And that's why I've been tracking and studying it through my website to collect firsthand natural observations and firsthand reports, because I wanted to, I want to expand the body of research, just like a naturalist in biology would sit down and really observe the plants or animals they're looking at and learning about. That's what I wanted to do with the reality shifts and mandela effect. So it's a little preliminary, probably to say exactly what's going on. With my training and my background, of course, I'm perhaps bias to start looking at quantum physics and say, Okay, I just can't help but notice that the same things we would expect to see in quantum physics or what we're observing with a Mandela Effect, that, that we have, like a one to one correspondence with some of these things, including things like a superposition of states where, and that would be a flip flop mandela effect, where I, for example, saw the company name cost. Yeah, it seems weird. Now Costco changed for a brief time. I saw it change to Costco CEOs see, oh, it's a warehouse chain of stores.

Alex Ferrari 17:24
Oh, I'm very familiar. I just went the other day. Costco is one of my favorite places. Of course. Yeah. Yeah.

Cynthia Sue Larson 17:29
So when from Costco and then it was went to Costco have that? Oh, no. What are they doing? Because I didn't think mandela effect I was kind of busy and didn't do a real close scrutiny of it. I just thought that's so annoying. Why would they change their name now? Why shorten it like that? That's kind of ugly. And then, within a few weeks, it was best back for me to cost cool.

Alex Ferrari 17:50
What is it? What is it? What is it now?

Cynthia Sue Larson 17:53
I think it's back to Costco.

Alex Ferrari 17:55
Is it? Is it Costco?

Cynthia Sue Larson 17:57
It was for me it briefly had a little little foray into a co's co which was

Alex Ferrari 18:03
I know, yeah, exactly. No, I remember Costco. I say Costco. I mean, that's how I like it. We're going to Costco, but I never say cost. CO it's never been it's never been costco for me. It's always been Costco. At least a my recollection.

Cynthia Sue Larson 18:22
So yeah, for the cosco. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 18:24
Very, I mean, so it's right now there's a T in it.

Cynthia Sue Larson 18:27
I think it's, you can check it, but I think it's it's

Alex Ferrari 18:30
Pull out my card right now. I know. Let's let's hold on. Let me see here,

Cynthia Sue Larson 18:36
Right there in the.

Alex Ferrari 18:38
You got to be kidding me? No, this is freaking me out, guys. No, this is very freaky. Okay, so I mean, we could just talk for an hour on just things that we both remember. And it's entertaining itself. It's, it's just like, all these things. So alright, so you talked a little bit about the quantum physics point of view of superposition, things like that. If we're shifting realities, then now we have to have the conversation about well, then there's multiple realities. And if there's multiple realities, that means there's parallel universes that go on infinitely because Costco my perspective of Costco there's a universe where there's a Costco or a Costco without the without the T. But there's another universe where it is or Jiffy is in one universe and Jeff is in the other one KitKat with the hyphen, non hyphen, so on and so forth. But then, it can just continue to go just ripple out infinitely multiple realities. So how is that is that am I am I saying that correctly?

Cynthia Sue Larson 19:44
Yeah, that's that's a great way to summarize this one possible interpretation of quantum physics. There are many interpretations of quantum physics. We do not yet have one that everyone agrees like this is the one instead we've got a variety of them everything from the COVID nagging interpretation, which is a collapse of the wavefunction. So an observer makes that that moment of like, okay, the wavefunction is collapsed. And now we have a definitive state that we can observe. And there's also, like you mentioned the idea of the multiverse. And if you look at the quantum world with the multiverse, and then the macroscopic, astronomical scale, and how do you bring these things together, as I mentioned, in my book, Quantum Jumps, the many worlds of the multiverse might be one of the same as you know, the many worlds of quantum physics. So when Okay, what does that mean? It means if that's happening, which it might be, we don't know for sure. And there are also many, many, many possible multiverse scenarios. So just because we're going with a multiverse doesn't even mean we've locked it in to one particular variation. There are several. And so it's it's just, I guess what I'm saying is, we don't know for sure. But it's wonderful to start looking at what are we learning in the science of quantum physics, that starting to show us, for me interesting findings, such as there might not be such a thing as objective reality, if we start looking at what we're noticing from experiments, like the one conducted in 2019, published in 2018, featuring the work of scientists at in Edinburgh, Scotland, and also in Vienna, Austria, what they noticed is they had to observe observational devices at the same place, same time, absolutely observing two different things. Now, that's what we're noticing with the Mandela effect, because it's not like everybody agrees. Instead, we've got some people that remember, for example, you know, if you build it, they will come and some people say no, it's what's only ever been, if you build it, he will come. You know,

Alex Ferrari 21:51
I'm sorry, just sends a chill back my spine because I know you're wrong. It is they it will always be. Right. Oh, I know. Please, everybody leave comments, please in the in the comments of the video, please leave, let everybody know, it's day.

Cynthia Sue Larson 22:06
I'd love to know what people's biggest mandela effect is, if they've got something that just bothers them, be sure to put that in the comments because

Alex Ferrari 22:13
Jiffy and Jiff are pretty big. And I don't even either of them. Right. But I grew up with jiffy. I just did name jiffy. When I see Jeff, I'm like, what is that? And there's, there's so many products that have these kinds of shifting the Fruit of the Loom cornucopia, these kind of ideas. And, again, just go look on the websites, there's just so many options, like you could just start seeing it. But let me ask you then, if we're shifting realities, you said something really interesting was like, for a moment it was Costco and then went back to Costco. Yes, that means that we're jumping in and out of React. So there's like, I'm going to explain it the way I can in my non quantum physics way. I'm a visual storyteller. So two lanes of highway are walking, there's two going down, the car is jumping from lane to lane. Jiffy is over here, Jeff is over here. Cost goes over here. Costco is over here. And you kind of always jumping back and forth between different realities based on your own perspective, or conscious or the group consciousness of humanity.

Cynthia Sue Larson 23:26
This is yeah, I want to go back. That's a great question. And so I'm looking at experimental physics to see what are we learning and that experiment that I mentioned with the to observe observational devices, same place, same time, what they're really doing is an experimental version of the beginner's friend experiment. And now what they're started with, look, Schrodinger and his cat if you've heard of short fingers, cat, okay, so. So for people that don't know that one, you can look it up. But it's basically there's a cat, hypothetical cat, no cats were actually injured in this experiment, inside of a box or a container and with the cat is a vial of poison hooked up to radioactive sort of random number generator device. So randomly, we don't know when there will be a little hammer that breaks open the vial of poison one of the radioactive isotope decays at some random moment, who knows when it'll happen? We don't know. So it's totally a random device. And what and the cat is sealed inside the box. So until we open the box, we don't know if the cat is alive or dead. And so Schrodinger designed this experiment and on purpose to make it ridiculous to say, how does this make sense that there's a cat that's both alive and dead inside the box. So that was his original intent with the experiment.

Alex Ferrari 24:42
From perspective from conscious

Cynthia Sue Larson 24:44
Yeah, because it's the ridiculousness of quantum physics. We're saying in quantum physics, there's a superposition of states. And until we look we don't know if the quantum particle is spin up or if it's been down we have no idea until we open the you know, till we look for the for the cat experience. might you open the box and then you see it. And then if the collapse of the wavefunction interpretation is correct, then you've collapsed the wavefunction. And boom, now you know the truth. Okay? Now the victors friend, brings in another level of consciousness, a second observer. So now you've got Shireen Frutiger, with his box, and urban Vigna, with his observation of Schrodinger with the cat. And because you've entangled an observer of the observer, that's where things get really interesting. And that was exactly the experiment that they conducted and publish the results of, in 2019. Why It Matters is live levels of observation. In other words, groups of people observing something like Costco, Costco, or Field of Dreams, or any, you know, the cornucopia, whatever, whatever we're observing the, it does make a difference, the levels of conscious observation that you've got going on. And there's a physicist named Eric Cavalcanti, who writes about these Vigna bubbles, and some people, some people are calling a truth bubbles, reality bubbles. But within this little bubble, you'll have people that are sharing that, that same observation, like you and I are sharing the one with Field of Dreams. And you know, we might have several others in common. But then we might have some that are kind of different for me. Costco was just a brief little blip. But you seem to remember, it was always Cosco. And now it's costco.

Alex Ferrari 26:25
I call it Costco. I mean, I've always called the cut. I mean, that's just the way I'm like it. We're going to Costco. And it's just never the T. Makes no sense to me. I look at it now. And I'm like, what? Well, yeah, but normally you was at Costco. Like that would be the proper pronunciation. But most people I know. When we say Costco, we say Costco, right? With the s, there's no emphasis on the T, the T is silent if there's ever so I've never heard one person ever call it Costco. Like, that's not a thing. I've never heard anyone say Costco. It's always Costco. So even when I hear about it, like on a financial channel, like Oh, Costco, it's never Costco. Like, I've never heard anyone say that, though. The logo might be different. So this is a weird, another weird kind of reality shift. So So again, to go back to what I was saying, our perspective, the the observer effects, reality, which we're gonna get into that in a second, a little deeper into the into that rabbit hole. So as a observer that changes, the reality is that that's the two slit experiment, or something along those lines, right? Double Slit Experiment, double, double slit experiment. Thank you. So the double slit experiment kind of shown, showed that observer and how the particles move differently. And then there's this group observer, which is what we're talking about now with these just massive shifts. But are there things that happen in our daily life? That shift? More as a, like a personal shifting of a quantum, a quantum jump, personal quantum jump, if that makes any sense?

Cynthia Sue Larson 28:06
Absolutely. It makes sense. And I'd say the answer is yes. And emphatic. Yes. Because clearly, to me, synchronicity is another form of a reality shift. To me, it's very obviously so. And it's clear that what what's happening with the synchronicity, which hopefully most of us have experienced, is that you're thinking of something and then it seems like there it is, it's like what, and people might say they're psychic or so forth, lots of different interpretations. But when I talked to people like Dr. Bernard Bateman, and I had him on my podcast, living the quantum dream, talking about how he's found people who are more likely to experience synchronicity, it is the people that I've also done surveys and studied with reality shifts this the same exact group of people, the ones that are more likely to be aware of their thoughts and feelings there. In other words, they are self reflective, they are doing this observation of your thoughts and feelings. And as soon as you're doing that, you are putting yourself and kind of a level of observers, like you're stacking that up within yourself. There was an early scientist and philosopher that talked about this, and he was one of the inventors of calculus, life needs, Leib and Iz, and what what he was saying is that the First Order perception of like a butterfly landing on my finger, would then be perceived by a second order perception of me noticing, that's a butterfly, it's on my hand. So instead of just like, what happened and not knowing what's going on, there's a second order of perception. And with calculus, we're also looking at these levels of perception. So this is where this is where I love to go with it.

Alex Ferrari 29:51
It starts it starts this starts making the head hurt a little bit with so and so when you're saying synchronicity, just for people to kind of bring it down About down to earth. How many times have you thought of somebody and then the phone rings? And it's that yeah, like, like, it's it's like within five seconds before the phone call comes in. Hey, where's John? There's John on the phone like, that's, it's funky. It's happened to most of us, I think at one point or another in our lives, happens to me all the time. I and a lot of times, I will. And this is an interesting thing. I do that with my wife a tremendous amount. Where we both will be we're both perceiving the same thing. At the same time, I have a thought about a scene in a movie or a TV show. And she'll say that same thing out loud. It happens weekly, like constantly. And is that is that because we're connected at a certain level differently? You know, it's kind of like when, like, when you first in love, oh, they finish each other sentences is like in like, they'll never work. But but those lines?

Cynthia Sue Larson 30:58
Absolutely yes, you can be sharing that same Vigna bubble, reality bubble, truth, bubble, whatever you want to call it. So you're entangled with one another. That's a physics quantum physics term, that entanglement means that you're going to feel what she's feeling, there may be a lot of empathy that occurs, it might happen across space and time, you might, you might get this instant feeling of whatever the other one is experiencing. I've had that happen was my daughter's I once went in the garage to get something and it was barefoot. I thought, I'll just go in, and let's get it really quickly some tool off the wall. And I stepped out, I didn't look where I was stepping. And I stepped on something squishy and soft. And I was like it is a dead rat. I'm like, Oh, but I couldn't respond to it. Because the second I stepped on the squishy thing. My young daughter inside the house screamed and ear, you know, piercing blood curdling scream. So of course, being a mom, I'm just like, who cares about the rat? And so I'm running back in the house, what's wrong? And she said, I don't know. And then I realized she screamed for me. I'm stepping on something. And she's feeling it.

Alex Ferrari 32:05
That's all okay. All right. So now, this is where it's gonna get interesting. If each of us are having endless amounts of shifting in between, quote, unquote, realities. And then there's a kind of group conscious of shifting in reality. So there's like a higher level of that, then this is truly infinite amounts of, of realities that there could be. And so it was really interesting, because I spoke to a very famous Channel A while ago on the show, Daryl Anka. And Darrell was, Darrell was talking about quantum shifting. And in the way that Bashar has his channel talks about it is that at any moment, our reality is shifting between places. And I, when I spoke to him, I really didn't grasp what he was saying, at the level that I do now, based on all these other conversations I've had about this stuff. But it makes us talking about that a couple of decades, where people were like, What is what it's, it's hard to wrap your head about this kind of shifting in reality. So then my question to you is, what implication is that all of this reality shifting quantum jumping and mandela effect have to do with our spiritual evolution?

Cynthia Sue Larson 33:27
Well, here again, it's huge, because they, and I've been also studying this for over 25 years now since the 1990s. So I can relate to Bashar, you know, and Daryl Anka being out there, like waving that flag, the only one who's out there way before, whereas now we're all showing up, everybody's here. Yeah, but the implications for spirituality to me are huge, because it's quite clear that we have a responsibility to take things seriously when we start noticing that what we're looking for and what we're expecting and the questions we're even asking, or what if they are bringing about what we're observing? If that's the case, then suddenly there's a responsibility on each of us that's a little greater than we might cavalierly assume we might think, like, I'm just I'm just playing around with thoughts in my head. I'm not really doing anything dangerous, but it really helps to be on a spiritual path. I know for myself, I want a short leash, because it's too easy for me to think something let's start going down the wrong path. And after having gone through Kundalini, I would just blow out all the appliances in a room if I walked in in a bad mood, seriously. I mean, I once walked into the kitchen ungrounded myself, feeling kind of agitated and ungrounded and I saw the light in the ceiling of sort of what sparkle frazzle and then suddenly the dishwasher had been running and it stopped just like every and that room was full of appliances. I thought, oh boy, this is bad and quick, you know, get grounded.

Alex Ferrari 34:57
So how do you quantify that with your more materialistic or materialism based education, where if you said that in one of your classes, you would have failed, you would have said, explain it, like how do so well, how do you explain something like that in from a quantum physics standpoint?

Cynthia Sue Larson 35:17
Or in a court of law? I was. I was, I was called for jury duty. And I was I thought, No problem, I'll be off jury duty, I'll just say what I really believe. And I did, I basically said, Yes, I do believe in following the rules of the court or material science, whatever you want to call it. I do have a training in physics, of course, but because of my understanding of quantum physics and my mystical experiences, and my spiritual beliefs, therefore, I'm aware that miracles happen, and that things absolutely cannot do change. And what we think is only happening in the so called quantum realm occurs at every level, including daily life. And that means that we can't say for certain that things are black and white, true or false. Instead, we must embrace quantum logic, which involves all of nature, and is much more comprehensive and includes true and false and not true, not false. I said all this. They weirdly, both of the attorneys look thrilled. And they chose me for jury duty, the jury. I know, right,

Alex Ferrari 36:20
Kicked you off.

Cynthia Sue Larson 36:21
And then they made me foreman of the jury, and it was like this. I know. And it was kind of a scary trial. But anyway,

Alex Ferrari 36:28
Wow, I would have thought in a million years. I know now, what a guy knew out of every duty.

Cynthia Sue Larson 36:34
Well, it did. It did draw the attention of the judge, he leaned forward, and he said, but you will abide by the rules of this court. And I said, of course, but I'm still thinking you heard what I said, right? And they just look all relaxed, like, okay, good. I'm like, You have no idea what you're saying.

Alex Ferrari 36:52
So all of these, these shifts in reality that we're going through that is, I have to ask you this because it's a shift in consciousness a shift in perspective, correct? We're talking about it from a human standpoint, is there such a thing as quantum shifting for lower consciousness, animals, plants, other other elements in on earth that are, have energy to them as well? Is that are they shifting as well,?

So you just triggered something in my head, because when you're saying different levels of consciousness, the first thing that popped into my head are Ascended Masters in Yogi's. And, and then I was like, well, well, that's the high level of where you couldn't reach here in this 3d world. But there are multiple levels, variations going down from someone who's learned how to just manifest the life that they want, based on their own belief system and understanding of, you know, manifestation to somebody who the whole world's against me and is manifesting that in their life. But unbeknownst to them, their perspective is this small. They can't even see it. But as you start to widen that perspective, and awareness, more control over the reality in your world happens as in Jesus walking on water, bread into efficient fish out of love bread and wine, water. Is that a fair explanation?

Cynthia Sue Larson 39:46
You're spot on! I would say yes, absolutely. And that's what we're looking at. We're looking at what if the stories in the Bible are all true? The miracles I think they are, I would say, makes sense to me, including Jesus Being the first mandela effect, the first alive again, perhaps the famous one, rolling back the stone and there he is alive again. So that's an wonderful example. But I think that the, the yogi masters, obviously, they understand that they had City's special powers, and that some of them could do certain things, they often would recommend that people not get fixated on the cities and the special powers, like magic tricks, but instead be aware of the importance of being on the spiritual path. And that's correct, because the ideal is to recognize that each of us has great capacity, but we don't want to abuse any particular level of conscious agency along the way.

Alex Ferrari 40:41
Right, exactly. Because if I mean to do levitation, or to be by location, these are ideas that have been talked about with yogic powers for a long time. But if your whole goal is to levitate, you can spend 30 years to learn how to levitate and evolve to that level. I've said this before. So everyone who's listened to the story, please bear with me. But as a great yogi, kind of like myth or story, where there's two Yogi's on one side of a river, and there's a bridge. And there's one Yogi goes, Hey, watch this, and he levitates across the river, and the other Yogi just goes to the bridge and crosses over. And he's like, What did you think he goes, it's very impressive, but you spent 30 years to learn how to do that, I use the bridge. So it's, it's it's a kind of moral of like, don't focus on the wrong thing, even though don't wrote, don't focus on the levitation focus on the spiritual path. And when those things that come are byproducts of the spiritual path, right? See them, use them, be aware of them. But it is not the focus, it should not because then it's a trap, it's an eagle go with the traffic along the way.

Cynthia Sue Larson 41:50
Right?!Meaning self limiting getting stuck in that level of conscious agency, that's not our highest potential, we at all, much farther that we can go.

Alex Ferrari 42:00
No, and that's what these these masters kind of prove is that they're examples of what can be for all of us. I mean, we all strive, we all strive to be a Jesus or Buddha, or Yogananda, or all these, you know, these these spiritual Ascended Masters, because it just as a proof, it's a proving ground of what can happen. It's just the four it's the four minute mile, once the four minute mile was broken, and everybody broke the four minute mile, but before then nobody broke it because no one believed it could be broken.

Cynthia Sue Larson 42:32
This goes back to what we were saying toward the beginning with the scientists tending to get stuck in that belief trap, where they tend to think that these things are impossible, even though they know it could be possible from what they've just witnessed with quantum physics. But then as soon as they're looking into regular daily life, their mind is blown. And it's hard to process hard to come out out of the closet even and say like, Okay, this looks like it's possible. So, I think we've been doing ourselves a disservice with the way we've been teaching Western science. And I think that's about to change, thanks to quantum computing, artificial intelligence, I think it's going to be pretty obvious pretty soon that we're going to be on an even par with the AI systems.

Alex Ferrari 43:14
That will no question because I mean, I mean, I was I work with AI every day, and I'm just sitting there like, oh, man, this is this is wild man is starting to get crazy. Really quickly. On a sidenote quantum computing, it kind of goes along with what we're talking about. And please correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding of quantum computing, it's not a faster system, per se, than what we have now, quote, unquote, because we could supercharge a regular computer to a place where it could one plus one equals two, much faster than a quantum computer can do it. But a quantum computer can have two thoughts, if you will, at the same time, where the other one is very based in space and time like it's like. In other words, it's, it's the old question of now I'm gonna geek out for everybody who is a comic book fan. There is the flash, who is the fastest man in the world. And then there's a character an excellent called Nightcrawler, who can start one place, think of where he wants to be and just appear the other place. Quantum Computers Nightcrawler, because it can go it could be at two places at the same time, where our normal computer system, it's just, you could just read it as fast as you can, but it's still space and time. Is that a fair?

Cynthia Sue Larson 44:31
That's that's great. And it can be both too. You can actually with a quantum computer, have that superposition of states and actually be observed into places like what we just saw, in that experiment conducted, published into 2019. But as a great, a great analogy, and I love it. And I think it's important for people to know that's the way our brains work. We are quantum cog cognition beings. And that means that if we think of things we're using quantum processes to do so, I interviewed the author of a book that called cognition and decision making, again on my podcast, and he, he has a brilliant book about this, I think it's called Quantum cognition and decision. So for people that want to really get geeked out and go into the science, it's a fabulous book, because it shows that if you give people a survey, and you've ordered the questions, in a certain way, so that the ABCD options are in different orders, that completely changes the way people answer them. And it used to be thought that humans are illogical, like, well, that doesn't make sense, you know, if you, why would you say you're gonna vote for this person, just when the orders switched around. But it makes sense if you're thinking like a quantum being that relates in groups, and we start thinking in terms of the associations, the connections, and we're thinking in terms of like, like a family, or like a group, a collective. So our thought process changes as we go down that list. And that's very much a part of what we do, and who we are.

Alex Ferrari 45:56
So that I'm gonna now we're gonna go into another deep world in a second. So I've had a lot of near death experiences on the show, yes, tremendous amount of near death experiences. And I've heard I've seen in my studies speaking to them, a lot of common denominators in between many of these experiences. But one idea that is then reinforced by Yogi's by spiritual masters by channelers, is that there is no past life. And there, there is no future life, because that is a, a to be space and time idea. But all lives are happening at the same time, which then really falls into what we've been discussing, of these multiple realities and quantum shifting. Because according to some spiritual experience, experience, spiritual masters I've spoken to is that if you create, let's say, you had a problem life after life with standing up for yourself, and you've been beaten up since the Roman days, and you just keep getting beat up, and you keep all this stuff. And then finally, in this life, you're like, that's enough. I'm standing up for myself. When you do it here, it ripples back, quote, unquote, back and all the past lives, and it ripples towards the future lives. This is your head is going to hurt everybody listening and watching. Is this. How can you What do you think of what I'm saying? What are your thoughts on this idea?

Cynthia Sue Larson 47:29
I love it. Yeah. Going back to, I think it's spot on. Because my most recent past life is possible future life, some 500 years in a dystopian future, which was controlled by a central artificial general intelligence. And humans were no longer Free to make choices. And it was like a nightmare. So I felt like I needed a long time between lives before coming into this one. I feel like I get booted out of the in between place into this life too soon. And then it's like, Oh, what a mess. So I can totally, totally agree with that. And obviously, we do have connections to everything simultaneously. And it's all accessible. I know, it's mind bending. But what we're doing right here right now, and each moment can absolutely change everything. And this is not just the purview, and the the gift of the yogi's and Jesus Christ is also meant for all of us to start to experience that in our daily lives.

Alex Ferrari 48:26
And during the concept of the internet, is the first time where you have we're instantly connected across you and I right now are instantly connected. We are two places at the same time, based on our perspectives, you know, and that's through this technology, which didn't exist 30 years ago, really 30 40 years ago, in the way that we know it. Now I know it's been around since the 50s, or 60s. But the way we understand it, now, this technology really didn't exist. So the internet have been connected to everybody all the time, instantly. At any moment, you could have, you can watch an episode of Friends, no matter where you are in the world. As long as you're connected into the quantum match, or quantum field, which is the internet, you have instant access. And then that opens up the idea to the Akashic Records, which has been talked about in the Vedic texts for 6000 plus years, the Vedic the the Akashic records sound very similar to the internet at a much supercharged rate of being able to access anything at any time. So we're slowly creating examples in our material in our 3d world of things that we have just inherently forgotten about our spiritual and our spiritual side. Is that cool? What do you think?

Cynthia Sue Larson 49:48
I think that's a great observation. Yeah. And then sometimes we try to collapse this great grand world of the spiritual into something physical, because we want to simplify it make sense of it. So I'm currently looking at reality. Like it's a computer program or a computer game. That seems to be our cutting edge way to see it rather than things. ideas of the past would be like a flipbook, because before movies, there were books. And then we had movies. Now we've got computers and games. So these are, but they're still just models. And there's still, just like you said, this is we're creating something, it's always going to be lesser than the great reality, the great truth. But it is wonderful for us to play with it and start to get a taste of it. So that all of us can experience it, even people who say I'm not spiritual at all, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Yeah, even even so that way, it's, it's something that everyone gets a feel for a little bit.

Alex Ferrari 50:45
Right. Even if you're an atheist, you use the internet. And then there's the concept of all being connected, because we are all connected. Now the world is connected in a way that I don't think has happened in the past, even with lost civilizations and things like that. And all these other that's a whole other conversation where we're not going to get into this one. But I don't think that we've reached this level, and from what I understand from talking to different spiritual masters in my own research and studies, is that where we are right now has never been a place that humanity has gotten to. Maybe we might have been more advanced in other areas, but consciousness has not reached this level. Is that what your assumption is as well?

Cynthia Sue Larson 51:23
Yeah, I'm feeling that I would hope for better but it is what it is. I think we're doing pretty well. I think we are, I'm just being honest. Because I'm looking at these 12,000 year cycles and thinking, gosh, we're right on one right now. But it's okay. Because that's what I meant when I said the Mandela Effect is showing up, giving us this possibility to work together collectively. If, for example, the kidneys are no longer where they used to be they've I don't know if you're aware of that Mandela Effect. Like, if you don't, where do you think the kidneys are? People.

Alex Ferrari 51:54
I mean, my kidneys to my understand is back here because of the kidney punch is like I remember exactly, I remember I remember the kidney punch in boxing, it's like you, you can't do a kidney punch, because it's it just Purple's a guy, if you get punched back there. So my understanding is the kidney is right here. Back here.

Cynthia Sue Larson 52:11
It's kind of like the place you put your hands if you're resting and going up a steep hill for a minute cover your kidneys. Right, right. Well, guess what? I guess you know where I'm going. They're not there anymore.

Alex Ferrari 52:22
No, the kidneys not here. Where is it then

Cynthia Sue Larson 52:26
They've moved slightly up under the relative protection of the ribcage to such a degree that they're no longer surgically accessed where they used to be. And it just blows people's minds this one? Because like

Alex Ferrari 52:37
I said, the kidney punch. Yeah, there's a thing called the kidney punch. You can, you can't the kidney punch is not in the ribcage because the ribcage is protected.

Cynthia Sue Larson 52:47
So it's good stuff. They've got upwards, and they're relatively better protected. And now we've got this silly thing about the kidney punch. But like what do they mean? Like we know what that means, but it doesn't have the effect that used to have. That's really strange.

Alex Ferrari 53:02
You're just blowing my mind. Cynthia, you're like, Are you kidding me? The kidneys in our bodies. But then anything everything's fair game. If Jiffy is fair game, then the kidneys are fair game is our recollection of where it is. Because it's again, you know, you and I, I'm not a medical doctor, you're generally not a medical doctor. But you probably butcher we don't know enough about anatomy. But we all remember at least many of us, the kidney punch, right? Like if you're especially if you're a guy, and you watch boxing, right? You remember the kidney punch. So you're telling me now that if someone gets hit in the kidney, you can't in that area, it doesn't have the same effect anymore.

Cynthia Sue Larson 53:37
No, it doesn't. And also the heart has moved toward the center of the chest. Like I remember the Pledge of Allegiance. My teacher. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 53:46
This is where the heart is. The heart is

Cynthia Sue Larson 53:49
Right. It used to be now it's here. It's in the center. And I remember getting blood pressure and they make sure like, do it on the correct arm. Because you know your hearts on one side, not in the center. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Alex Ferrari 54:07
What is going on. Cindy, you're blowing my mind. Stop it. All right. So since we haven't since this conversation has been very lacks, not very deep at all, hasn't made our head hurts at all. Let's talk about simulation theory. Easy, loves a softball kind of throw. I've had many physicists on about simulation theory, if this fascinating thing it's been. It's an idea that really came into vogue in 1999. When the matrix was released. It was the first time in a collective that we all stopped and said, Wait a minute. Is this real? And I don't really think I mean, I'm sure those thoughts have been around since the days of Plato and Socrates, but not in the way it was once the matrix was released in his grand idea that basically everybody started to think about it differently now are like are we a computer Jen? narrated reality? And then how does simulation theory, which is a theory, it's a very serious theory in quantum physics, mixing with parallel universes parallel realities, quantum jumping, multiverse, and then let's toss in spiritual. Oh my goodness, so and goes with you?

Cynthia Sue Larson 55:24
Well, I think the fastest way to reference this would be starting where we already were just a moment ago with the yogi's and the Masters, and the fact that they can do these amazing things. How do they do it, because they know that the world is a simulation, they would call it Maya or illusion. And they'd say, as long as you know that, then you don't get caught up in the game. You don't let your emotions get pulled one way or the other. You hold everything in this beautiful state of detachment. And you're focused constantly on accessing Divine Source going into stillness in silence, and being the one with the all that kind of thing. So you've experienced these amazing states of being in mind. When you know that, then you know that, of course, it's all a simulation. But how do you bring this together with the ideas that you mentioned of the multiverse? And also, here, you could bring in game theory if you want. So one of the best current books I've seen on the subject is by Rizwan Virk VIRK is a, MIT game designer, and now he writes books about spirituality and things like this. And I read his book not expecting much, because usually, when I read a book about simulation theory, it's it, you know, so sketchy. But because he's a game designer, and I've had a background, also in computer programming and information technology, I love the way he lays out this very clear vision, which I share with him, that we have these different paths. It's just like what you said, like we've got these two, maybe timelines, if you will, if you've got timelines a possibility, and they both present and open to you. How do you choose? Well, if you are that quantum being, then his book doesn't get into the levels of conscious agency, that's, I'm going to where I love to go again. But if you come in with levels of conscious agency and realize that that higher level, you already see the answer, you know, which which path is going to be the successful one, the satisfying one, the one that aligns with what's true for your mind, your heart and what you need, and your subconscious, when you've got that lined up, that's going to be very clear choice in the physics of it has to do with a combination of recognizing that there are these parallel timelines, they sort of exist, you might wonder who's doing the jumping, who's doing the quantum jump there, that would be pure consciousness. So that's us, as a quantum being absolutely. Recognizing our physical body is illusion, it's, it's like an avatar body. It's like we're in a game simulation, and we can move ourselves around. And that's what we can do when we have a spontaneous remission of disease in our body. Or when 8 billion people on the planet have their hearts moved to the center of the chest, their kidneys moved up to safety. What have we just done collectively, we've had an instant evolutionary jump.

Alex Ferrari 58:09
So I'm still I'm still wheeling, just going crazy with the kidney thing. It's still just driving is driving me a little nutty inside. But so the game theory, I love that idea. And people get upset about it. And we'll talk about that in a second. But because what you said this consciousness leveling of going up, I'm gonna throw a theory out to you, and explanation about this. So we are Zelda, whereas link in the game Legend of Zelda, okay, so we're the link. And we we are the players, the player is the soul, the higher self, and we are playing the player in this simulation in this game. Now link only knows that he is linked, he has forgotten that he is connected to me as the higher self. He is just all concerned about what's around the next corner. How am I going to save Zelda? What's going to happen? But then link starts to meditate. Yes, link because it goes into a room starts to meditate a little bit and starts to ask deep questions. He's like, wait a minute, why? Why am I walking around this, this this castle, let me miss it here first, and he starts to meditate and things start to he starts to detach from the game system a little bit. And the only doesn't when he's meditating. He can't do it when he's awake yet. He's only doing one. So when he goes to meditate, he starts to his awareness starts to change. So then he starts to feel the monster around the corner. So he either prepares for battle or avoids the corner altogether. And the more and more that he meditates the more and more he starts to open his awareness up of the game system in general, to the point where that he realizes he is in the game system because he is now raising up it In levels of consciousness and awareness, to the point where he's now getting close to where I am, the higher self player to the point where out to the point where he then eventually gets up so high that he turns, looks at me and goes, Yes, you are here. And then he understands everything connects to the intelligence of the universe. Everything comes in. And then he's like, Oh, I get all of this now. Okay, I'll go back down and play. But I'm playing by different rules, because everybody else has no understanding about this. Let me either show them the way, or let me just play the game differently. But at any moment, I can jump back and forth, because I've now made that journey, spiritually, are aware of consciously throughout my awareness. What do you think?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:00:48
I love it. I think a lot of people, it may be hard for them to realize that they're like little link there. But if they can make that jump, and so But doesn't that feel like life to you like, it's all it goes from random, and then when you start meditating, suddenly you do know things that there's no way you could know. And suddenly, your intuition becomes incredibly good. You know, and maybe you start developing that connection of sense of higher self and higher conscious agency. These are all possible for us, I love it. I think that's it.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:18
So and then also, like, if we go back into the Zelda world, then you meeting people along the way, and you don't know if they're thieves, you don't know if they're there to help you. But as your awareness opens up, you can start seeing it coming from a mile away, where when you weren't as open, you just took it for face value. So you're again that when that happens in life, I use that in level design, because now like you say, you can meet somebody, and you might have a feeling or an instinct about that person much better than you did 10 or 15 years ago, where you would have been taken by that person, or hurt by that person. Or you were like, oh, no, that's bad news. I have a bad bad juju, bad juju, bad juju, I'm gonna stay away from that. But that's a very technical term Juju. So is that that is that kind of go along with this kind of explanation that I've created in the video game system

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:02:10
It does. And I love that connection with the levels of conscious agency, I think that really is key for people to understand. And I love the way that you're bringing in meditation as something that we can do is like a technology or a tip or a tool to help to get us there. That's so true. And like you said, you've interviewed many near death experiencers, they're getting a benefit of having that kind of instant, sort of epiphany moment where it's suddenly that's an extraordinary experience. But it's this huge awakening of a much greater level, all at once. But then once that's open, it's very similar to someone who's just meditating, meditating, meditating. And I love the way that you described it in that first example with LINC like, maybe at first, it wasn't that much. And it only happened when he was meditating. That's a good description. I know. But then if you keep at it, if he keeps at it, then eventually, you can't lose it. And suddenly, he's got the gift that came from that great higher level, but he can't forget. And that's when the true gift has been realized. So much greater than any magic trick of, you know, by location or invisibility limitation.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:20
Right, exactly. And it's also the, the ideas of the it's kind of like with Yoda and Luke, you know, it's the exact same thing, but Yoda is helping him his awareness to open to understand the force, you know, which is also one of the reasons why I think those movies are so popular, is because it opened us to an idea of the force, which was that there's an energy around us, like, that's another huge milestone in humanity, as well.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:03:49
That for me was like key to the whole movie, I loved that scene with Yoda. And Mark Hamill playing Luke Skywalker. That was amazing. Because it really it was showing that showed so many funny things, it was so beautiful, everything in the master looking like a fool at the beginning.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:08
Which is so great, which is so great. And with near death experiencers. I think also, if we continue down this analogy, which I think is helpful, hopefully people are sticking with us is that near death experiences get to jump up to where, let's say the higher self is, but you're in another room. So you get a glimpse of the building that they're in, but not the person or the energy or the of the higher self itself. So it's kind of a glimpse of that area. And some people have larger glimpses than others. But the same thing happens with psychedelics and psychedelics, or was it Oh, I think it was a yogi or a yogi who said, when you take a psychedelic, it's like taking a sledgehammer and breaking the down a wall to have the light come in. We're meditation you're putting in a window Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that so beautiful, but it's versus so psychedelics are like almost a roller coaster, into that space. Not that near death experiences are it's, it's another one, very, very abrupt. But when you're doing it through meditation, it's very subtle, and organic, as opposed to a jarring motion. So little link doesn't have to die, almost die and go out death experience. He can meditate and get to these higher level of consciousness. And sometimes in this life, it might not happen. That's why you have multiple lives really comes in, if he dies, he comes back and comes back. And I always saw that as when I discovered reincarnation and I played video games. I was like, well, video games are just an analogy for life. And that's this before I even when I was a teenager, I was like, wait a minute, if if you die, you have three lives, you come back and you try to figure it out again, you come back and you try to figure out again. And the difference is that back then you can only play one character. But now you could come in and choose different avatars and go through the game at a different experience. You could be an elf, you could be a whatever a monster, you could be an ogre whatever. And it's the same game, different perspective. It, you know, we can go down this road for a long time.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:06:17
And the games are fun, because they can go really quickly. Whereas with their lives, they can go slower. I did have a near death experience when I was about five because I wanted to be I wanted to be dead again. It's like that was bliss. That was great. So it was a suicidal, happy kids not depressed, not nothing wrong in my life. I just felt like, like, it took me five years to figure out like, Oh, my parents are not lying or exaggerating. I can if I do it, right, I can jump in front of a fast moving car has to be fast enough have to aim it so my head gets crunched properly. Otherwise, I'll just be mangled. So I figured that all out. And then I thought okay, cool. So I can be back in bliss out and that between lives place again, which I love to be, but then there was a sort of intervention that occurred. Angel like you mentioned, yeah. I know. So I walked in my house and I was going to my bedroom and time kept slowing down. Got really weird. And then suddenly, these glowing figures were around me, and they showed me well, they just show me three things. Three reasons why you would probably want to stay. The first one was that your parents would be very depressed and might never get over it. And I thought they'll get over it.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:25
Right now your your brutal, your brutal, brutal,

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:07:29
Horrible, horrible. It's so embarrassing. Like, I would not say that now, but it was a horrible thing. Yeah. Secondly, they said all the people that you could help you won't be able to help like the Find someone else so brutal twice. I know. It's so embarrassing. And it's even more embarrassing what they said that got me to stay. It's like it just gets more embarrassing. But the third one was, you chose to be here, and you're going to lose your five year Headstart. And I'm like, no, no, like I chose to be here. And like, mind went tilt like I chose. No, this planet's messed up. I'm gonna lose my five year Headstart. So that's

Alex Ferrari 1:08:05
Gonna come back, because you're gonna have to come back and do it again.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:08:08
Because you chose it, you're gonna be back again. And like so

Alex Ferrari 1:08:11
So So basically, what would have happened is that you would have lost five years of experience points in the video game. And you would have to start from scratch and have to start killing orgs to gain experience to get to the next level. You already had exotic. Nothing, no orcs, or your trolls you had to fight to build these, this experience to move on to the next levels.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:08:37
But you're right. Yeah. And I believe them. I believe them. So and now I've grown since then clearly, I would actually understand that my life is not my own. And I am here to serve. I understand that a lot better than I did at age five. That was embarrassing. So So

Alex Ferrari 1:08:54
Cut yourself a little little slack. Now Cynthia, the one thing in regards to this idea of simulation theory or game theory, in the spiritual game theory that we've been talking about, is people have a big problem. And I've heard this a lot anytime I mentioned this on the show. And they're like well if life is just a game, then it's very disposable and you could just do bad things whenever you want. You don't have to worry about anything because you're gonna come back and do it again anyway. How do you explain to them that's generally not the way it works so

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:09:29
The fastest way is to watch a very funny movie with Bill Murray called Groundhog Day.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:33
The most spiritual movie ever made

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:09:37
It's awesome. So if you want the fast track just spend an hour and a half watch the movie and then like okay, I get it back and that's exactly it because we you know, like I said, I'm on a short leash I am if I do things that are off course I'll get it right back in my face like instantly. So what I mean is, like mind matter interaction stuff. So and I it's not that I ever did that on purpose, but it's more like bad mood. As we're being going out there, I can't even think bad things about people because I saw that come back I just terrible things would happen. So it was like being in the movie Groundhog Day, but kind of in a psychic kind of weird way. When you start noticing that's going on, then you got to stop it. You gotta be like, Okay, enough of that.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:21
So that so then let's really quickly dive into Groundhog's Day just a second. Because I, anytime anyone says like, what's the most spiritual? Have you ever seen? I go, it's Groundhog Day. It's just, yeah, it's Groundhog Day. I mean, I mean, there's the matrix which has other conversations in that but and there's Shawshank Redemption has a very deep spiritual connotation. But there's nothing that explains my eyes, the concept of what the soul goes through better than Groundhog's Day, and people are like, You're crazy. I go, give me a second. And you just go through it. I go, what happens when you have everything you've ever wanted? And you understand you have nothing, that there is no repercussions for what you do? Because there is no repercussion, right in the movie, because he just wakes up the next day and does it again. So what does he do? It lives in the material world eats whatever he wants, has sex with everybody, he can start to steal money starts, it's all material, material material, then he gets bored. Because that's what happens with materialism. There's only so many more houses you can buy. There's so many so much sex you can have. There's only so much money you can eat. There's so much food, you can enjoy a limit. It's limiting, it's very limiting. So then he starts to like, Well, wait a minute, I want to try to get out of here. I have to maybe help people. And he starts to

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:11:39
There's no there was a there was the funny stuff where he grabs the groundhog. And he's like, killing the ground dog. And

Alex Ferrari 1:11:45
He's like, I have to kill you. And this. And he tries to kill the groundhog. Don't drive angry, don't drive angry.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:11:54
They went to the dark side. But then he went then. But then after that little is was

Alex Ferrari 1:11:59
Right. But then he starts to try to think well, maybe I have to help people. And then he then he starts to get to that point where he starts to learn things. Instead, he's like, Well, maybe I could just educate myself about things and became a pianist and all this kind of stuff. And, and I love one comment and he had on one of one of the lives. He's talking to Andy McDonald. He's like, I think I'm God. I think I'm God because maybe God is just not all knowing maybe he's just been around so long. He knows everything. That was great. And I'm like, what that's a deep, deep statement about the is such a deep statement about life and about what we're going through and then the concept that we are all God are all pieces of God in our own creation in our own experience. It just goes out so if you guys haven't seen please go watch Groundhog Day it will enlighten you.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:12:50
Another great movie just while we're on it is defending your life that oh,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:54
Oh, I love defending your life. defending your life is also such a wonderful, wonderful film with Albert Brooks and Meryl Streep about in the afterlife. Love Story in the afterlife. And only the way Albert Brooks could do it in this have to defend your life. There's attorneys how many days did you get seven oh my god general horrible life, I only got three and like this like and they can eat whatever they want as much as they want and everything tastes amazing. absolute brilliance absolutely one of those films that's that doesn't get as much attention as it should defending your life. So the I can talk to you for another two or three hours. This has been so much fun. I hope it's helped some people make them think a little bit differently about life, and maybe help them go down a couple more rabbit holes that maybe we'll talk about in another conversation one day. But I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests. How do you define a fulfilling life?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:13:54
Ah, that's one of deepest awareness of love really hits just knowing all the levels of love that you're capable of feeling that may sound fluffy, but it's not. Because if you go into stillness, then you can find the deep for me that's like connection directly with source. And then even in the little moments when you realize what if everything is God all around us, you know what if we are all connected at that level? That's very deeply profoundly meaningful.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:23
If you had a chance to go back in time, and talk to little Cynthia, what advice would you give her?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:14:28
Don't take things so seriously have fun relax. Like I was a little bit too you know, everything's fine. Just say

Alex Ferrari 1:14:38
It's gonna be okay. Everything's gonna be fine. How do you define God?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:14:45
Ah, is just that perfect awareness of all creation all connection is so much more than I can put in words. It's it just feels like this limitless overflowing love and kindness. It's so great. That's why I wanted to suicide when I was a happy kid at age five. But I don't recommend it, don't do this,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:05
Please, please do not. You're gonna it's gonna you're gonna lose your five year Headstart maybe more. And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:15:17
It's for me, it's to learn and to expand into becoming more. It is more like God not godlike, but more aware of that. And for me, it's just to recognize that I've got the capability if I want to and I do to be the best I can be. So that if anyone touches me and my energy field are my reality bubble that they are touching this great love that is direct from source.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:43
And where can people find out more about you and the work you're doing and pick up your books?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:15:48
That's my website is RealityShifters.com And I've got a newsletter there. The other website that I'm affiliated with is imec.world, that's for International Mandela Effect Conference .world. We're having a conference at Labor Day weekend this year. And otherwise, every month we have a live stream pretty much. Except you're skipping August because we're getting ready for our big event in Connecticut. Labor Day weekend.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:13
In this in this do people just come in there and start giving you examples of like jiffy and, and cornocopia and that kind of stuff.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:16:20
Yeah, it's when you have an in person gathering. This is the first one we've done since 2019. It's amazing, because people you can let your guard down fine, like because otherwise, if you try to tell your family and friends or neighbors about this, it doesn't always go that well. You know, very seldom are people as into the subject as some of us are, and there can be a lot of gaslighting that happens but when you're surrounded with people who understand and appreciate these things, it's indescribable how good it feels. feels just like being dead again for me like

Alex Ferrari 1:16:55
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:16:58
Oh, I just keep asking my favorite question in every situation, which is, How good can it get?

Alex Ferrari 1:17:06
My dear, thank you so much for coming on the show. It has been so much fun talking to you and going down these rabbit holes and I'm still I'm still upset about the kidney. I'm still a bit about Costco. There's many things that I have to rethink about my life. But I appreciate you and the work you're doing in the world. My dear, thank you again.

Cynthia Sue Larson 1:17:24
Thank you. Thank you, Alex. Take care.

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