Vatican CHANGED/DELETED Jesus’ TRUE Teachings! Ancient BEINGS Hold the TRUTH! with Melissa Tittl

Melissa Tittl 0:00
There's lots of debates of who Jesus was. There's people who say Jesus didn't even live for the sake of this conversation and and what I really truly believe I do believe there was some character like Jesus, just like there was somebody like Buddha, right? There's someone who was able to translate this energy, this, these frequencies, all the stuff we've been talking about this podcast. And those early sects of what later became Christianity at the time wasn't Christianity, Jesus was Jewish. He, they, the teachings were not about what they are now. They were they were very much about being outside the system the stuff we were talking about frequencies sound being joyful Trent and translated the word of God of the Goddess, you know, it was very much in line with it. There wasn't just God, it was it was, it was the goddess, it was the creation it was it was this all this information. Now when it became Christianity well before, so Jesus transcends, and we we now have, we have an early sect of his teachings, which become the Gnostics. And then you have the apostles that go off and do his teachings, which later becomes Christianity.

Alex Ferrari 1:21
I like to welcome to the show, Melissa Tittl. How you doin, Melissa?

Melissa Tittl 1:34
Good. How are you? I'm so happy to be here.

Alex Ferrari 1:36
Oh, thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm excited to talk to you about your knowledge about ancient civilizations and your new movie coach Well, which I'm excited to get into as well. But first of all, how did you get interested in this world of ancient civilizations and codes and simulation theory and all that kind of cool stuff?

Melissa Tittl 1:55
Um, I you know, I've always been a weird kid. So I've always been like, in a sci fi big tomboy, into comic books, and you know, just like a weird kid, big imagination. As I got older, I chose my profession as a journalist, TV and film. There's a lot of obviously things going on in the world that I could have angled my career towards. But to me, I found that most of the answers that I was seeking to solve by doing journalism was mostly in the unknown, because there, you can really pontificate on how humanity should solve the problem by being in a place that doesn't necessarily put you in the exact war or the exact situation and allows people to, to work through their problems. So what I found was, was that the idea of extraterrestrial interdimensional beings or ancient civilizations kind of unraveling these ancient mysteries had more to do with solving our modern day problem than it did solving How old is this piece of rock? To me, it was like they have left behind such unique structures for us to really pontificate on the future of humanity. And, and there and even in stories that I've covered with aliens and that kind of thing, that it's all part of that bigger picture of, where are we going as a human race. And so I don't know, I just couldn't look back after I kind of started to look at things that way. I thought this is way more interesting. And I feel like I have more of an impact on people, and how they're supposed to live their lives.

Alex Ferrari 3:41
It's really interesting, too, because, in many ways, we've walked similar paths, not as much journalism, but I've been in the film industry for so many years, and storytelling and everything. As I started getting into ancient civilizations, and sci fi and all these other kind of worlds. It was my, my interest was about not just the rocks, old rocks, or old buildings, but how it was connected to everything as a grander story. Because some of these monuments, some of these stories, ancient texts, all this stuff, you start digging deeper and deeper. It's It's an endless, whole rabbit hole that you want to go down. It's just endless. It takes multiple lifetimes to go through all of this stuff. Would you agree?

Melissa Tittl 4:24
Yeah, it probably takes multiple lifetimes of you living it for you to remember what it was that you were even teaching or absorbing or saw. We have, you know, Graham Hancock put it best we are living in a state of amnesia at all times. And the reason we're still attracted to things like the Great Pyramid or the temples in Greece and Egypt and all over the world and the and the ancient stories and the things that they've been told over and over and over and over again, is because we do know, but we can't convince ourselves that it's real. The things that they're saying because We have programmed ourselves to not think it's real. For some reason, we have decided to create our consciousness in a way that does not allow for expansion. And that is we're not fighting another being in another dimension, we are fighting ourselves on what we believe consciousness to be.

Alex Ferrari 5:19
Do you believe that is by design?

Melissa Tittl 5:21
Yes and No. in my movie Code 12, I give some a hypothesis for if there was a simulation if there was a structure to how we think and why we exist, who created it. And I bring up the the idea of the Emerald Tablets with Toth and how the fall of Atlantis then caused Toth to take action created. This isn't the Emerald Tablets, create the Great Pyramid. And then the Great Pyramid helped to create a structure a frequency that we are thou now under the reason being it was a good reason at the time was because Atlantis fell, because people are beings were misusing the power of what Atlanta stood for, and therefore allowing lower dimensional beings to come in through our structure and inhabit our bodies. Not because they're bad, like we're still looking at things bad or good. But because they're in a lower dimension, and they have to feed just like we have to feed on whatever what dimension we're in, right. This was a problem because now humans are being taken over by these low dimensional beings. So he creates this grid system cuts it all off, none of them can come back in. The problem is we're cut off now from our eternal potentiality as a bean. And in that story, if that's true, it wasn't for good reason. But we lost all connection with all those things that we knew of how the universe worked in our potentiality and who we were. And this is why people are so obsessed with Atlantis, they have to get back to this point, you know, where they want to get back to the point of which they knew how the universe worked. And that makes more sense to me that we are somebody might have created it for possible good. But now we believed in it so much for so long that our consciousness our bodies can't exist beyond the structure that was created and that we believe is true.

Alex Ferrari 7:21
Would you agree that at this time though, the consciousness of humanity is shifting to where these conversations are becoming much more as information become a much more readily available? Were 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Shows like the ones you produced for Gaia, ancient civilizations would have never known Billy Graham Hancock would have never been allowed to even speak, let alone do what he did. And or shows like this wouldn't be even accepted. They weren't people weren't even ready if you even if you've got to broadcast them. So would you agree that that's happening right now we're kind of moving towards a higher, a higher state of consciousness?

Melissa Tittl 7:58
Yes. It's so funny. Someone just asked me this question. If we are living in a simulation, why aren't we all dying off? Because it's simulation what to to stop people from figuring out it's a simulation? And I said, Well, I don't think that that's the case. I think that there was a programming in there that wants us to see what how we are living our lives, like really be able to because we need to expand, we're bursting. We've literally run all the storylines that could possibly exist within our current program, and we keep reading and we keep doing it over and over again. And people are wising up to it, okay, we're in another war. We're in another situation of, hey, we're in another depression, we're in another blah, blah, blah, money is this and you know, people are just had it, like and mass levels. And that is causing chaos, but it's also causing a new consciousness to emerge. And I totally agree with you. And I that's why I think that everything is reprogrammable 100%. And that, right now, we're at a case of like, this doesn't make sense. We are not in a place yet where we've decided, well, what is the future of humanity going to be? There's just a lot of people upset. Which is, you've ever read the book power versus force? It's all ago? Yeah. Right. So they have that they have the chart, right? That the chart starts with, like, I don't know what the bottom is, but grief and, you know, anger and, and so we're we are we're at like level, you know, 75, which is the anger, that's resentment, you know, but each of these is a level up, right? And then you level up to hope and then, and then at the very top, it's bliss. It's, it's, you know, and that's like 750. So right now, if we're, if we're in talking numbers, where it's 75, because we're angry, and it's there's no one going to stop us. We as a human race, as conscious beings within a structure have to build that have to get to that next level of Have what that is, and we are definitely on the road to that for sure. And these conversations help they help more people become their eternal selves.

Alex Ferrari 10:09
In the when you say we've done this again and again, I mean, there's been story upon story about the rise and fall, the rise and fall the the enlightenment and the opposite of enlightenment, and constant constant going back and forth. I mean, in the ancient texts of the Vedic texts, he talks about the yugas. And, and that the cycle of 24,000 years, and Graham Hancock has been talking about it, because now those, what he's finding in ancient and ancient monuments is starting to back up the concepts of this 24 or 26,000 year cycle that we're in, according to the Hugo's were like, the Dark Ages was the worst. Like, that's as bad as we could get as a species. Nothing happened for five or 600 years. Like it was just death in May, and for five, and then slowly the Renaissance. And now we're starting to come back up to this enlightened place where we could argue Atlantis, let's say was close to that space. Can you explain that a little bit from your findings of all the all the stuff that you've researched over the years about this, this constant creation, destruction, creation, destruction, creation, destruction, and it's in nature? For God's sakes? I mean, it's, it's everywhere. It's literally being projected to us all the time.

Melissa Tittl 11:22
Yes, definitely. So we, in my documentary code 12, we talk about the importance of to, to really, two pieces of ancient history that repeat itself all the time. And I do think it has to do with our structure, also the 26,500 years of all the Zodiac times, and then, and then you start all over again. Right, and this is why ancient temples and pyramids are all attached to equinoxes. And, you know, they're really tracking where are we, in the, you know, Hindu, the yuga? Where are we, in the structure of, of this, this massive overhaul for humanity for 26,500 years, approximately? The two symbols are concentric circles, and the other is a numerical 12. Right? So 12 times 12 is 24. It's a, it's a, if you look at an infinity loop, right, it's like, you know, to two existences together type of thing. So why is this important? The the structure of of time, is in a circle, the way we live, our life is linear. So that means we're in the system. Those 12 points on the circle, like a wheel, are the 12 zodiacs that align us to the system. It's all the same system, the 26,500 years look at it this way is your ability as a human race to gain enlightenment. After that, you start all over. It's like a game did you did you get to the end? And if you didn't, after certain amount of time, you go back. Right. And and this, this is an ancient text, because we have not been able to do that. Right? We have a chance now for I think we have what, to about 20 to 2,500 years, right?

Alex Ferrari 13:25
Something like that.

Melissa Tittl 13:27
Okay, well, obviously, I'm as Melissa Tittl in this body, I'm not going to be around but you know, maybe I will in a different body. But this is very important. You know, if we're on a scale, and we're starting here, we really think about it if we've been below the power versus force chart from the top is 750 or something, and we're at 75. And we were below that. I mean, people didn't. I mean, we got a lot to do in a short amount of time. If you think about the Yuga's 26,500 500 years. But this the ancients knew this. And it was so important to constantly feed the information. They also knew that we were going to as a human race, they predicted we would go through these these hard times. And that is why the ancient teachings are so important to all of us, because we know that they knew something that's not accepted in our modern culture, definitely more so even five years ago, people are opening up they want to know more they want to be part of whatever it is because people are ready. But this is, this is why they left it they carved in stone, they left it behind. They the Native Americans have oral traditions that are specifically memorized to be passed down that we've never forget where we can be if we're able to see things differently. I always think that let's say at year 12,500. We hit alignment, way before The whole cycle starts over again, I think we break out of it, I think that the system doesn't exist anymore. I think that the the whole structure of time 12 12, you know, 12 points on a clock 12. Zodiac The, the idea that in the in the Duat, there's 12 hours of the night, there's 12 hours of the day, right? Like, all of these will go away, all of it won't exist will be in complete, different kind of universal existence. And that is what the ancients wanted to leave behind. We don't have to wait till the last day of the 26,500 to finally be like, everything's great. I'm so joyful. No, no, no, the point is to break the system to get out become your internal being.

Alex Ferrari 15:51
So these ancient monuments have been left behind, you know, it seems almost like they left certain ones behind that could absolutely would stand the test of time. The pyramids being a great example of that, and not just the great pyramids in the Great Pyramid in Giza Pyramids of Giza, but also pyramids in Ankar and in the Central America, and all of these all these kinds of structures that are not easily dismissed. You can dismiss ancient texts, arguably, but it's difficult to go well, wait a minute, how the heck did Machu Picchu get made? How the heck did Chichen Itza get done? How did great pyramids get made in a time when they were literally supposedly unsophisticated, to a point where we can't even redo the Great Pyramid today? And a lot of people argue that oh, yeah, we could like, are you out? The kind of precise alignment? And not only that, then you start looking at the codes that are embedded in those monuments? Like if I'm not mistaken, the the, the height of the pyramid, if you multiply it by a certain number is the width of the earth or something along those lines. And these kinds of codes are embedded in it. Where do you do you agree with that these things will be left behind for us as as kind of almost markers in time to go no guys look deeper, because you can't dismiss that you could burn ancient text can really burn the great that they've tried to destroy many times.

Melissa Tittl 17:29
And Napoleon blew a hole in the side of it. But thanks to him, we can actually get in and, you know, meditations in the chamber, the king's chamber.

Alex Ferrari 17:36
Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, but yeah, but that's but you know, so thank you, Napoleon, I guess for that. But without, without that, we wouldn't have never been able to get inside of it. And there's still things inside of it, arguably, that have not been discovered yet. You know, that they're still trying to figure out it's, it's fascinating. So all of these even compactly Teppei, which completely moves our human timeline behind? What do you what do you see? Where do you see this all going? Why did they leave all of these things behind? And why are they encoded with so much information that we're slowly trying to decode now?

Melissa Tittl 18:13
Well, goodbye, whatever is at the bottom of go back. He Tapi. I don't think they wanted us to find so I'm very interested when they finally get to the bottom. It just blows my mind. We're not there yet. Yes. It's so crazy to me.

Alex Ferrari 18:26
Well, that whole mountain has a whole the whole mountain as a ton more of them in there. Right? Go back to the deputies just like one there's a bunch more of those.

Melissa Tittl 18:26
Yeah, they were intentionally buried. So whatever it is down there, they do not want us to find. And I think that it's so right for this time, right, that we're like on the brink of all these discoveries. And no, it's really, you just brought up the Great Pyramid, I find it fascinating that they have all this technology, and they just found another corridor another room or something like that, in India in the Great Pyramid, that they just keep finding things randomly. I mean, maybe they're holding back the material until the right time. But does it? Does it exist? Or are they is it making itself known all of a sudden within our dimension, it just the whole.

Alex Ferrari 19:11
Cause it's time, because it's time we can we can accept this information now or we can use this information if this information would have been released 500 years ago. So it's kind of like if someone got the idea for the iPhone 100 years ago, 200 years ago, we weren't ready yet. To even deal with that. Would that make sense?

Melissa Tittl 19:30
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. It's funny about the iPhone. I was reading an article published by somebody at JPL in Pasadena from like, 1950. And they're like, pretty soon and the article said, Man predicts we'll be talking, we'll be talking to will be talking to our risks in our in our phones in our hand. And it was like the it was like, you know how they write those funny like 50s like, ha ha ha You know, any If this was like, Yeah, everyone's gonna have like their own phone, and they're gonna be able to like call and FaceTime. And he didn't use the word FaceTime, but you'll be able to see people in the phone and walk around. And, and I just thought, yeah, that's true

Alex Ferrari 20:13
Those are the seeds. Those are the seeds. Well, I mean, look, but sci fi is the seeds. I mean, if it wasn't for, you know, HG Wells, I don't think we have a space program. You know, the, that those books inspired a generation. And then when when we went to the, you know, the whole 60s going to the moon thing that inspired a whole other agenda and the Star Wars and Star Trek. And even Dick Tracy talking into his into his into his watch back in the early 1900s. Now we do that it's all it comes through story, a lot of times these these ideas that eventually get it turned into something a little bit more more material.

Melissa Tittl 20:50
Yeah, exactly. And I feel like the ancients knew that. So I think a lot of and a lot of people, I don't know if you've been to any ancient sites or anything like that, okay, so you know, that when you go to certain ancient sites, you feel something different? Oh, yeah. And it's different for each person, right? Like, for instance, I didn't have the best energy in the Great Pyramid. But there had been places in Egypt that were just mind blowing for me. But what you do feel something different, right? So there's some kind of energy harnessing of all these places, whether you're in Peru, you're in Egypt, you're in India, you're in a vortex spot in the four corners, in Native American territory. There's places where you're in touch with what the ancient people are talking about. And these places are sacred, not because of what they built there. But because of the information that can come through if you're open to receiving.

Alex Ferrari 21:52
So from your research, what are some of the codes that have been discovered, that are embedded in some of the more famous some of the more famous monuments, ancient monuments around the world,

Melissa Tittl 22:03
I think the famous codes and a lot of people know this is the sacred geometry, and the connection to pi and phi and the golden mean, most temples are calculated to a harness that energy, which every piece of life is is is, is kind of calculated on the golden mean, everything, your body, the plants, in your house, your animals, you know, everything. Everything around us matters created this way. They're able to harness that energy. I think that's the sacred the sacred stuff. But I think the most interesting thing for me is that that's been talked about, since the beginning of spirituality, which was Madame Blavatsky, right? This this understanding of how everything's calculated this way, what I'm more interested in is what are we not seeing? Okay, so that's calculated, but what's underneath that calculation? What's beyond that calculation that we're not seeing. And a lot of that is up for interpretation, because you have all these amazing symbols all over the world, and people give you their interpretations of what they mean. I think that beyond the structure of the golden mean, there is a nether code, that is the actual structure of what we're living in the golden mean, like, think of it this way. The Golden Mean is the is how everything is coded that we know right now. But then there's something else that codes a bigger part of the universe. And that is what I'm more interested in. And I find more of the that code actually attached to more feminine temples, feminine language, it's like that it's like that chaos. It's like that Sophia, it's, it's it's this other thing that no one has been able to really dive into that has a completely different calculation of how things exist on this planet. And they exist. And I think it's, I think why it hasn't really been talked about is because it's not something we're looking for. It doesn't fit into the pattern of which everything is created. But if we are eternal, and we exist within all space and time at the same part, this code is that.

Alex Ferrari 24:27
So in other words, we've been focusing on the code for the program, but not the code for the operating system. Exactly. And that's everyone's focusing so much on the program that no one's gonna Well, wait a minute. What's the program running on?

Melissa Tittl 24:42
Well, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Or are we on Microsoft's computer? What are we doing?

Alex Ferrari 24:49
Exactly! Just windows 95? Or is this system seven? Like let is geeking out a little bit on old technology. But no, that's a very good Wait, that's a very good point. One thing that is in you mentioned this earlier, that is another fascinating aspect of a lot of these ancient monuments and, and ancient civilizations is their obsession with the sky, obsession with the cosmos, obsession with the alignments of stars and equinoxes and all this kind of stuff. Why do you think what does that say about the ancients? That I mean, there's just so focused on the on the sky, and specifically stars were things in the Great Pyramid, like the almost perfect do north or something along those lines, if I'm not mistaken, the way it's aligned. And at a certain, I mean, I mean, I was at Chichen Itza, and twice a year and the equinoxes a snake appears on the steps of Chichen Itza. Do you understand what insanity that is to understand the timing, how to structure it, where to put things, it hurts the brain for us to do it today, let alone to have that kind of insight back then. So what is your thoughts on that?

Melissa Tittl 26:07
Well, I'm gonna say something really simple. It's just not sexy. But I feel that the ancients were very in touch with the harmony of nature, the harmony of the stars, the harmony of our positioning, with the equinoxes, the Zodiac, like, there was harmony there. We the only people concerned about the equinoxes are a couple of people that want to stand outside and see if see if they can see something, or you're in the conscious space, and you get together and you do a meditation and, but but it's not like a, it's not an accepted thing, where it becomes like an event, like it probably wasn't ancient times, because they were in harmony with these, these events within the structure of how they were living. And we are not, we are not in harmony with that. And their harmony. I use the word harmony, because it is an under it's a greater understanding of where they are, and how everything works together. Right now we look in fear at all that we're like, okay, and then it's there. And then it's here, and then it's there. But we have it all separated. And it's not congruent. I mean, I imagine ancient civilizations, were talking about science and spirituality, and channeling aliens and all sorts of stuff all together in the same house. And they weren't all separated. Right? Science and existence. They, they were the phenomenon. And so was that up there. And they were all together in it. But we have separated ourselves from that it's happening up there, we're here we get to see it. That's great. Moving on, you know, even if in the conscious space, you're like, Okay, well, you're a Sagittarius and that means therefore, that there wasn't any harmony with, with the existence of the stars. And I just I think that's really what it really what it is, it was it was more of joy of being alive. And being with all of the things then I'm not sure. And then being fearful of all the things and keeping it separated.

Alex Ferrari 28:15
And so that. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. What you're saying without question. The what? The thing that just blows my mind is how did they do it? How did they have the knowledge to be able to create these structures in a way that we don't even understand today what, what

Melissa Tittl 28:37
I mean, a lot of I mean, a lot of these stars, you can find some of this on YouTube, because people have done work on it. Other many people look into it, but but each star has a frequency that we still feel from Earth. And I think that they were in touch with that in such a way I mean, we find ancient instruments in every temple. I mean, they've been able to lay that out and what kind of instruments they had and how they played it and all that stuff. But I don't think we really dove into like well why and how and I think that they knew how to use sound and frequency to not only this is also a theory by many people but to move stone to move structure to create from this this body that we have that's connected to this eternity that we live in. I think that they use frequency for that that's the only way to be so exact. I mean to create something out of ego to create I mean we're just talking about stone right now we're just talking about all the temples that were just kind of blown away whether you're South America Egypt, whatever, it doesn't matter like you're just like how did they do this? Think about it if the theory were in Egypt is they got a bunch of slaves and they're like you know, we'll all this stuff together and put it I mean, at some point you're like you know, he's my my guys my masters never Going to nab. So stick, the Reuters put some stuff in, it's all there like it was, there's none of that there's not even one imperfection. And then even at these temples in South America, there's not one imperfection, there's a crack. Now, because it's older, there's an earthquake, but there's nothing, there's still awkward docks running. And that kind of perfection comes from something more pure than then doing things to do things. And I think that's the harnessing of this, these frequencies, what those exact frequencies are to do exactly what they did. I don't even think we know how that works. There's lots of people doing research on it, but to connect all the dots to create, to create that with the human consciousness, we barely scratched the surface.

Alex Ferrari 30:40
Well, it'd be the equivalent of, you know, 100 years or 200, or let's say, 500 years from now, someone finds this iPhone. And they're gonna be like, Well, what, what was? What was that about? If let's say they, if everything, all the information is gone, let's say, and they just find a bunch of these, they'll be like, What is this? What were they using for this? What was this magic box? And that could be said, with a bunch of our technology now, because we have no frame of reference. And we only and I think one of the biggest problems we have, especially people today is they look back at the ancients. And they look at it through the lens of the technology we have today. And they don't perceive things like frequency, because to them, they're like, oh, that's Hocus Pocus, where it's it could be much more powerful than the iPhone could be much more powerful than a nuclear weapon that we have today are so on. Would you agree with that?

Melissa Tittl 31:33
Yeah. I think that in places like Cern and some other scientific communities, I think they do know this, and they're working on it. For the rest of us, we're just trying to meditate to, you know, frequencies that we download, you know, to put us in a meditative state. But all of that is the same thing. It's just on a bigger scale, and then it's using all of the resources. Crystals. You know, it's not just manmade stuff. I mean, I think science communities are fully aware of the potential of all of this, but I still think they haven't figured out what frequencies do what that they are definitely aware of this. And they're definitely not going to tell us until they figured it out.

Alex Ferrari 32:19
Yeah, if you if you go into, there's some structures in South America, which I was around, and the stones are all weird looking, they're not like, you know, four foot by four foot, four foot, but now they're all different sizes, but they all fit perfectly together. And then I was watching a video the other day where they say there's a corner, the stone wood corner, like it would like the stone, it wouldn't be like a stone and a stone, it would be like a stone cornering around, and then it would pick up here. And it would go all the way through. It's not like filler or anything, because an earthquake happened and a couple of them shook off and they looked inside and like Jesus that goes all the way through that goes all the way in. It's not like someone just jam something into the corner. And it is such perfection. And it's such weird shapes. I love to hear your theory on how the hell did they build something like that, because at least the pyramids, they're giant granite blocks, but some of the stuff in South America and other ancient sites, they almost looked like they were poured in. Like they melted the rock orden molds and connect because it doesn't it doesn't even paper. A piece of paper doesn't fit in between these rocks. It's absolutely mind blowing.

Melissa Tittl 33:41
Yeah, I mean, I don't have any evidence for that. I mean, I think we're talking about I don't have any evidence for so. But I mean, that could be something I mean, if you're able to create a higher entropy on matter, and being able to manipulate it, you know, from rock to liquid, and then put it back together into a lower entropy. And you figure that out through frequency I mean, I mean, God anything's possible. I do agree though, that it's it's pretty fascinating South America they have those key holes to everything just fits perfectly, like barely anything in between, you're like, they have those in the siren temple as well, like the underground temple and Egypt is behind Ovid DOS, they have those keyhole things It's like someone from Peru just came over there like let me show you my technique where I rock and put it in there

Alex Ferrari 34:34
There's that and there's another another area in India which got these nd these temples that have been carved out of a mountain. Like they're just like they literally but it's an entire temple that was carved from the rock it wasn't no rock was brought in. It was carved out perfectly. So there's a temple inside of it of a mountain multiple I think there's like seven or eight of them in a in a complex And yet they cannot find the stone anywhere. Like, that's a lot of stone being removed, it would still be around, they weren't hauled it off hundreds of miles away. It's nowhere to be found. So what the hell happened? They do that into meeting rooms and everything.

Melissa Tittl 35:19
Yeah, they have, you know, not just that that one specifically. But even in the valley of the Incas, as you know, before you get to Machu Picchu, there's tons of temples on the way there. I wrote an ancient aliens episode, where we were talking about specifically only intentando, which is the temple to the sun still has natural running aquifer action, or Aqua ducks so that the stone from there was taken another valley away, which means they'd have to roll it over the mountain, go roll it down the valley, the valley that goes which is pretty steep, and then roll it up the mountainside to put it in there. And so one of the things that I tested was like, Okay, well, maybe humans actually did this, they found because they needed a certain stone, right, this is, this is the thing to make that temple in India to find those blue sarsen stones for Stonehenge that are in the middle, they were specific that came from hundreds of miles away. Right? And, and for this, these stones to build this temple in the valley, I think as needed to come from another valley away. Okay, makes sense. So humans, like drag it up the hill. So we went to a quarry, we, we had the weight of the largest one, right? So one of those was like seven or eight tons. And we had them roll it down the hill in this quarry. And it shattered into like, a million pieces. Like, even if you were like trying to, like hold back the gravity of that rock, right to bring it to be carved. It's just absolutely ridiculous. It makes no sense. It's, it's as if like, you're saying some bodies something, found the stones and was able to carry it. But that's not possible with all we know about space and time right now. And how the universe works is not possible with the physics we understand. And that's what I'm saying. There's something else out there that operates in a different level. Why do you like UFOs that makes no sense. Alien interactions, interdimensional beings, none of that has anything to do with the physics of which we exist right now in this time and space, which means something else is out there that can interact with our dimension of time and space. And can come in and out understanding that big code. And insurance tapped into that bigger code that I'm talking about outside of the one that's the golden mean. And we're able to use that to create the things that we can't figure out within our means of modern technology.

Alex Ferrari 37:49
How old you think some of these are, these these ancient sites are? Because, I mean, if we were if we're to believe that the pyramids were done in Egypt, what 6000 years ago, something like that, you know, if you're, if you're feeling froggy, 1000 years ago, if you really want to get outside the world of like, you know, the general timeline, but now we're starting to figure out that some some some actual archaeologists who are old enough to say it, they're like, could be up to 13,000 years ago, but arguably can be 26,000 years old. And going, you know, going again, the cycles, it keeps saying like 13,000 26,000, you know, these kind of numbers. What do you think because what do you think the ages of like Machu Picchu? Chichen Itza, because that says, oh, that's 1200 years old. 1500 years old. I'm like, oh, no, what do you think?

Melissa Tittl 38:39
Well, I mean, let's just look at our modern day existence. I I'm on the East Coast. I'm outside New York City. I have a house from the 1800s You know what they've been doing to this house since the 1800s. They've been building on they've been building structures they've redone the outside like I have like a nice sunroom in the back. You know what I mean? That's not an 1800s thing. I think that these spots always had ancient temples on maybe 30 40,000 years ago but then maybe the view that we're looking at is the modern sunroom right the the 1500 version where they they did some some they did some did some fixes and they were able to be like okay, well this is definitely the 1500s from whatever sample they took, but but the original design I think is much older and that's been there I mean, you just see that and just just modern day in oh my god, I cannot forget that I'm forgetting the name of the town you you start the Inca Trail at and

Alex Ferrari 39:40
Oh god I forgot the name but yeah, I know what you're saying. I don't remember the name but the town will call it the town the Inca town,

Melissa Tittl 39:40
The town the town. Start saying the trail. Yes, I can't believe I forget that. You can see in town that they had an amazing Inca temples that they just cut the tops off and put a church on so you got to have the church built up as an Inca temple and then they Stuck a church on it. And then of course, the church now had to be a little bit modern day updated. So then they've updated that. And you can see the different levels of years of Inca amazing. Then next generation and then pebbles. Right? And then church, right. So I think that that's what we're seeing here at these temples. I think that the reason people are saying hey, I think they're much older is because they're looking at this, the alignments, the spirituality that the text, the understanding the oral traditions, the the symbols, and they're saying, wait a second, this is much older, and people are saying, Yeah, but the building the rock over here, this is 1500. Maybe it is maybe they had to replace something here and there. But but but I think we're looking at something that we don't even know how old it is.

Alex Ferrari 40:45
And if you look at I mean, I've been to I mean, if you go Rome, just to Roman Empire alone, I mean, you go to Italy, and you walk around, it's a walking Museum, and they build things on top of Roman stuff. You're like, Oh, that was old Roman, this Roman. The Roman aqueducts is split. You know, they're still around, I was driving around, you know, in an Uber, and I'm like, is that that's the Roman aqueduct. So just hanging out there next to us next to a highway, you know, it next to a highway that they just built right next to it. So why wouldn't that happen? Over 1000s and 1000s of years? Isn't? Aren't there some there are some pyramids in Mexico that they're discovering that there's many pyramids inside of each one. And they've kind of almost built on top of it on top of it on top of it. Is that correct?

Melissa Tittl 41:38
Oh, which side is that? I actually don't know that one.

Alex Ferrari 41:39
There's there's one in Mexico but I know there's others around the world that they actually have pyramids, they they're doing sonar that like oh, wait a minute. There's something underneath Oh, and it goes underneath that I saw I saw it in Graham's show. Ancient Yeah, I think he did a couple of those. They just keep going down down. They haven't gotten down as far as they could go yet. But it looks like they just built on top of a top of it on top of it. So it's, it's just it's this big story.

Melissa Tittl 42:09
Russian doll of

Alex Ferrari 42:11
The Russian the Russian dolls of pyramids. Now I wanted to ask you about a culture that the first time I ever heard of this term wasn't Ghostbusters. Love it. The Sumerian the Sumerian gods. You know people Yeah, the heat goes or was a Sumerian God goes or goes or was seen our geeking out hardcore. So yes, that was the very first time I ever heard the word Sumerian. And I'm gonna call this Marion's. And then as I got older, I started researching a little bit about the Sumerians. Can you talk about the Sumerians as a culture and what they've brought to to us? And I mean, they're pretty mysterious. I'd love to hear your thoughts on.

Melissa Tittl 42:55
The Sumerians. You know, as Graham Hancock says, it's actually a curse word. Because like, once you go down that train, like nobody takes you seriously, you know, and his profession he like stays away from it like the plague. Like I can't even like, I can't even say the word the a word. Anunnaki. He's just like, I'm not.

Alex Ferrari 43:10
You can't talk. You can't say anything about the Anunnaki. God forbid, right? No pun intended.

Melissa Tittl 43:15
Yeah, it just gets to it gets too far down a train of speculation. So the Sumerians I, you know, besides the Anunnaki with though they have this, this amazing mythology that seems to play out in our everyday lives all the time. They really set the structure, I think, for our current civilization, our financial systems, our our community systems, our hierarchy systems, that that I don't think that they're, I think that the Sumerian culture really set that tone, you know, if you really they were the first to create a civilization that had certain rules and regulations that followed a certain thing and then of course, that passes down to different areas in the world. But But this but they were very detailed at recording all of them, whether it was how much something costs to how things go, what the law was, how it works, and all that that now, that doesn't mean that other ancients, ancient civilizations, you know, maybe it Atlantis, Hindu, that doesn't mean it's just that they recorded it so well, and that people were able to read it and then copy their civilization after it. That's a good law, I'm going to incorporate that, you know, it's like they just, they had the Amazon of books, right that they wrote the civilization we have today down to all the laws and regulations and how everything should be set up. And so I think in a way there too, to be, you know, that's really great and also to blame. Thanks for all that but it did organize P Pulling in organized cities in an organized trade. And that became we became more worldwide in that way as a, you know, third dimensional human doing things with other humans. I think it definitely created more laws and regulation for that. And then of course, then you have the spirituality study of the Anunnaki you have these beings that come from space that that kind of created humanity mess with our genetics. Our DNA created this hybrid called homosapien.

Alex Ferrari 45:27
And this is a this is an ancient text by the way. Yeah, this is not sci fi. This is not sci fi. This is an ancient texts. And this is it. Isn't this kind of like always waved off as like, oh, they were just writing stories. Really? Do you know how hard it was to write on those damn tablets? There? Let's just get right in the middle of

Melissa Tittl 45:44
Poor soul, that poor soul away,

Alex Ferrari 45:47
Just a little way for like, hey, let's let's tell a story. Like no, it doesn't seem like it. I think we should. And you're right. Once you say the a word. It goes down a very, very long path. Yep. But But there has to be some seeds there. That makes sense. So I just wanted to let people know that this is not just like, oh, this is a story that Melissa is making up No, no. This isn't an ancient texts. And by the way, many other cultures have talked about this similar idea in Indian culture in the Bhagavad Gita alone, I mean, talking about Blue beings and all this kind of stuff in a time where he has rich writing stories. So is this Harry Potter, but like, enlarge

Melissa Tittl 46:31
It's why why do we need to know the calculations of Solomon's temple? I mean, 1000s of years later, I'm not building it. Like why do we need to know it? Right is the story of the people and their interactions with God. But apparently, this is what this is where it all gets weird. It's like blue beans. Okay, did you have to make the blue is a reason it was blue. What's what the calculations were the building sizes and now we're here to that's a lot of work to write a story about these beings coming from from outer space or creating humanity in the skies from the sky, guys. Sorry, the skies. The skies. Space. Sounds very sci fi here. Right? Yeah. So now we're in the Anunnaki world of creation. I think it's really important about the story that this this the story of the two brothers, the Anunnaki there's there's many there's many players in the Anunnaki. Right, there's a Nona who could be contributed to the first ISIS, right? She's kind of a creator goddess, in charge of fertility and agriculture. There's a couple other players there's there's Daddy and Agnew who never comes to earth because he's just like, whatever. Here I'm going to send my two sons to, you know, create this new life on Earth. And that's Enki and Enlil. Enki is, is the serpent who tempts Eve in the garden to eat the apple. He's all about knowledge. You know, he sees this creation of homosapien as a, as not only an experiment, but but also for them to gain their own knowledge, their own freewill. To understand what they're doing here. In law, the other brother is all about being a warlord, making sure their slaves keeping them in the system. So here we have two dichotomies. 6000 years ago, on the purpose of humanity to Gods at war with each other. Eventually, they went to war with each other one, inviting humans to not be slaves and learn about the universe and their freewill. And the other one, say no, stay in line, otherwise bad things will happen. So you have this good cop, bad cop situation going on, that plays out in all of our subconscious, the duality of which we live in all the time. Do I practice freewill? Or do I fall in line so I don't get in trouble. Every thought, every thought that you ever have fits into those two categories? And they wrote about that 6000 years ago. Now, did they write about that? Because they wanted to find a story to fit in the duality of humanity and then wrap their own culture around it? Or was there a grain of truth in that story?

Alex Ferrari 48:59
It is something that we deal with every day. Obviously, you and I are troublemakers, because we're not definitely gonna stand in line. But yeah, there are those two, there's two kinds of two kinds of human beings. There's people who stay in line, do what they're told, blah, blah, blah. And then there's the rebels, people free thinkers. And but those people who are the free thinkers and kind of Blaze their own path is what moves humanity forward. Without them. Humanity doesn't evolve at all. Would you agree?

Melissa Tittl 49:34
Yeah, of course. Of course. I mean, you always know the troublemaker in class. You know, he's just he or she doesn't want to play by the rules, right? They become the next they become the next teacher. The ones that can see outside the box. So they're both important. Is I mean, have you watched the first for I love the first season of Westworld.

Alex Ferrari 49:58
I saw the first season of Westworld. Yes. I I didn't say I didn't keep going. But I did.

Melissa Tittl 50:02
I kind of the first season of Westworld, and when you look at it this way, is literally the old story of nkn in LA. So spoiler alert, it's been on TV for a long time. But if anybody hasn't seen it, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you the premise of the first season. First season is, there's this whole game that's created, that these AI kind of robots, they're very human looking, they're live, they have like fake emotions, apparently, they exist. And then Pete, and then humans can just rent time in the park and go shoot them or have sex with them, or all sorts of things. And it's like rich people do this. Now, the game was created by two brothers. One is Anthony Hopkins, who's still alive, making sure the robots are taken care of and fixed. And you know, there's they're all ready to go for the next scene. And the other brother is not alive anymore. And they both program the system. Now, what you find out in the first season, is that the brother is not alive anymore. It's specifically put a a codec or a code within these AI human looking beings to wake them up so that they would not comply anymore with the system that they were actually asking questions. What Why is it like this? Why am I getting shot? Like, why do I feel something? And now all everyone's in shock? They're like, what is happening? Why are they why are they why are they waking up? And I feel that that, that in a way, if you think if we believe that we were created by these beings or some other beings, or that we have a grid and telephones involved, or whatever the story may be, that there is some part of us that is always supposed to be curious. And it has been there since the beginning of time, and it will never cease to exist. A psychologist once said that the greatest fault humanity the human race has, and the greatest achievements that they have ever done is by being curious. By being curious, we left the cave, right. By being curious, we got ourselves in a lot of trouble. And but without it, we wouldn't continue the human race. So this next curiosity, this next phase of what humanity is, this is this is the thing that will not go away. It'll it'll wake you up in the middle of night. You can't escape it is the future. We are being prompted to discover our potentiality

Alex Ferrari 52:12
Curiosity killed the cat years left, but we couldn't live. So it's okay. That works out. No, you're absolutely right. This this idea of the troublemaker the idea of moving forward? Well, let's talk about a troublemaker. In the past. This guy named Jesus, he was hanging around. He was definitely a troublemaker, big time. But there was this there was this group that I've just recently started to go into a little bit and I know you've done a lot of research on the Gnostics. Can you explain to people who the Gnostics were and what happened in that story line a little bit.

Melissa Tittl 53:00
Poor Gnostics did not get nine lives will say that. So the Gnostics were actually an early sect of Christianity. Well, let's back up a little bit. There's lots of debates of who Jesus was. There's people who say Jesus didn't even live for the sake of this conversation and and what I really truly believe I do believe there was some character like Jesus, just like there was somebody like Buddha, right? There's someone who was able to translate this energy, this, these frequencies, all the stuff we've been talking about this podcast. And those early sects of what later became Christianity at the time wasn't Christianity, Jesus was Jewish. He, they, the teachings were not about what they are now. They weren't they were very much about being outside the system, the stuff we were talking about frequencies sound, being joyful. Trent translated the word of God of the Goddess, you know, it was very much in line with it. There wasn't just God, it was it was, it was the goddess, it was the creation it was it was this all this information. Now when it became Christianity well before, so Jesus transcends, and we we now have, we have an early sect of his teachings, which become the Gnostics. And then you have the apostles that go off and do his teachings which glitter becomes Christianity. But the Gnostics really were holding this this true vision of what the teachings were about and a lot of we don't need to get into Mary Magdalene but the gospel of Mary is most of it is ripped up because because it it always starts like this. If you are so powerful women to tell me what Jesus said please tell me now and then of course all those pages are ripped out and we can never find them for the for all of eternity. Oh, of course. Of course, of course. So the Gnostics were following those old teachings. There was no separation. There was no angry God. It was God embraces everybody forgiveness, all of that. Right. Those are the Gnostics outside the wall. Nothing's real. You know, you live in joy and harmony all the time, no matter how much they test you it is not real. That's Gnostics. Christianity went off and did their thing. And I like they're crazy. We're creating a whole order. We're creating structure and fear and God will hurt you if you don't do stuff. And that's where it went, right? Boop, opposite directions. Later in time. Then the Christians felt threatened by the Gnostics. And I think this was the time of the Knights Templar. If I'm correct, yep. And they basically burned every single one of them at the stake. Yeah, every single one of they could lose and the ones that that still held the teachings and and then there's lots of stories like The Knights Templar still holds a lot of those secrets, you know, and this is what DaVinci Code is about, right? Like this. This Rosicrucians line that's kind of hidden, the Templars hid they like they put things all over the place. You know, they didn't want people to find it. The Scrolls took how many years to find right? In the deserts of Iraq, right?

Alex Ferrari 56:18
Yeah, that's the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Melissa Tittl 56:20
Dead Sea Scrolls. Yeah. But that teaching, you know, even today, like I put a Gnostic guy who had the only person who would answer my call, I did a whole episode I was writing for guy at the time. ancient civilization episode on Gnostics. And it's something Graham Hancock was really passionate about and, and so I could only find one Gnostic person, like someone who's actually practicing and published a book to come on camera. The guy comes on camera, he was lovely, amazing. You know, he does all the translations, what they mean what they meant by the teachings. He's about to publish his book. He's like, 35. And the show comes out. He's in the show. And I get a, you know, we sent out an email to the family, to the family to each person saying, hey, the shows, the shows come out, this is when your episode will be on. We really thank you for your time. And anytime. I several months later, I get an email from his mother, apparently. And she said, Hey, his name is Graham. Graham had has been found dead in his bed. And I'm really sad about it. And and I was wondering if you could help get his book published because you know, it was right on the brink of being published and then you can eat she's like, it's really weird. We don't know why he passed. He's super healthy. Just I just found him in bed and he was dead. And I was like, Oh my God. I know I so I think there's still like a there's a fear that the Gnostics might come back and like it somehow impose their teachings which have nothing to do about anybody or any other religion. They're only about living in harmony with all the things that we're talking about. And their and their it's all about living in that joyful state forgiveness, which is what Jesus was about. So the Gnostics is is is a is a dirtier word than Naki to be honest with you, it gets into all sorts of secrecy that's been going on for a very long time that you can trace back to the Knights Templar and all of these secret societies and organizations

Alex Ferrari 58:28
So that so that would be if the Knights Templar if my history serves me, correct, we're talking about what 400 500 ad around there.

Melissa Tittl 58:36
That's, there's no more Gnostics after that. It it's yeah, it was horrific.

Alex Ferrari 58:43
So how did so then obviously, someone kept the teachings

Melissa Tittl 58:47
Someone gets to teach the very secret like there's I found that there was a Gnostic church in LA, which is I was like, Hey, can I want that nobody would even talk to me. And I don't even know who's able to go there. So it's very obviously, they have a structure but it's very light.

Alex Ferrari 59:06
So this is this is so this is after the Council of Nicaea after the Christians if you know the Romans have put together this is what real Christianity is. Let's see the villagers are getting restless. We got to come up with something to control them. Hey, let's put this thing and we'll call it the Roman Catholic Church. And and that was that the and then of course the Gnostics were obviously a threat to that new orders arrived

Melissa Tittl 59:31
Until it so Oh, God, I'm missing my I think a king ordered all of their so we're later in history, a king ordered all of their all of them to be burned. How to remember who it is. But that's fine. Everything went underground. The Scrolls disappeared. Everything I mean, people were still teaching it but a lot of the a lot of their teachings ended up in some of these other secret organizations that They make all these movies about like the Davinci Code, the Rosicrucians, and all that kind of stuff. They all kind of got, like, parted.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:07
Yeah, it's fascinating, like, so much knowledge has been lost throughout history. I mean, what they did with the Mayans, they burned all the Mayans. Knowledge and Alexandria, the Library of Alexandria, and God knows what was in there. And all this, let's let's not even talk about what's in the Vatican. How much stuff to see how much stuff is in the vaults of the Vatican is that isn't the I'm sure you would die to get it. Just get in there for a few hours just to look,

Melissa Tittl 1:00:42
Bring a sleeping bag and try to hide out like in a movie

Alex Ferrari 1:00:46
Looking at is like an 80s movie and you're a teenager all of a sudden, like hey, this is

Melissa Tittl 1:00:53
Like a new kind of Goonies

Alex Ferrari 1:00:55
A new kind of goodness, can you imagine a good, goonies Vatican's, that would be amazing.

Melissa Tittl 1:01:04
What you find is sloths, right? Like the character sloth is out there for I don't know how long he's out. He's actually an Anunnaki. And he

Alex Ferrari 1:01:15
He's actually been very, he's smarter than all of them. That's, that would be amazing. I think we're writing the sequel right now. Call Stephen. up right now see if he'll produce it again. So tell me about your new movie coach? Well, we've kind of talked a little bit about it. So can you tell everybody what is? What is about what's in it? And where can people see it?

Melissa Tittl 1:01:35
Yeah, so Code 12 is a documentary I produced it just came out on Amazon. And code 12 is about the simulation theory, which we talked about a lot. And this conversation, and that new code that I was explaining, like, there's the code that everybody has been, you know, like, Okay, this is the program, but who's running the program type of thing. And that is this, like, you know, I call the movie code 12. And you'll find out if you watch the movie, but but it also talks about that the ancients left behind a way out, they gave us a structure. And they and they gave us clues on how to get out of the system. And a lot of that is a mixture between tuning your body, you get into spirituality aspects, but it's also about teaching how the universe actually works. So you understand what you're breaking out of and what your potentiality is. And that's what we really discover in code 12, through ancient texts, computer programmers, scientist geneticists, it was astonishing to me when I got on this journey, that all these people had the same research that I was finding, except they were in their own little wheelhouse. They're just looking at DNA, or they're just looking at the cosmos, or they're just astrology, or they're just looking at this one temple, and they all aligned to the same thing.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:54
That's, that's amazing that that's the thing I think I love doing as well as connecting all of the different parts of this giant puzzle. Because if you're just looking in one corner, it's like the old Indian proverb like, you know, the seven blind men holding onto a piece of the elephant, they go into the elephant's trunk, or the offensive tail, but the elephants, but they don't see the full picture. And I think that's what you're trying to do with the movie, right?

Melissa Tittl 1:03:17
Yeah, exactly. I think the full picture is where it's at. Now, I think we get so caught in the narratives because it speaks to us. And then we feel a part of his opening, which is amazing. That's what that's what we're this work is about. But it's about the big picture. Now I get a lot of people email me about this film. And they, they, they say to me, every one of them say, oh my god, this made me think of XYZ. Now, that's not my thoughts. That's their thoughts. I've opened something up in them to understand something about themselves. And that is the whole point. Whether you believe my theory or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is that you gain insight and what you're supposed to be doing and how you're connected. And that's all that matters.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:55
Beautiful, beautiful. Now, I'm gonna ask you a few questions as well my guess. Okay, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Melissa Tittl 1:04:02
Being joyful, being connected to loved ones having great relationships. Everything else is just conditional.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:12
If you had a chance to go back in time, and speak to little Melissa, what advice would you give her?

Melissa Tittl 1:04:16
It's all true. Everything you feel is all true. Just keep going with it don't have any doubts. How do you define God or source eternal universal creation energy

Alex Ferrari 1:04:30
What is love?

Melissa Tittl 1:04:31
Everything.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:33
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Melissa Tittl 1:04:35
To love.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:37
And where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing in the world?

Melissa Tittl 1:04:41
Um, you can go to our website, I run a production company called Hathor studios, www.hathorstudios.com. There, you'll see all new films that we have coming up. And we have a new film coming out called Source. You can see the trailer there. You can also find out more about Code 12. We'll be doing a summit pretty soon where you get to meet some of the people In the film, so if you just sign up there, we have a email newsletter and we'll give you all the updates of our stuff.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:07
And do you have any parting messages for our audience?

Melissa Tittl 1:05:09
Umm, probably the same thing that I would tell a little Melissa. Whatever you're feeling deep down inside, it's all true. Don't have any doubts. Just go for it. Feel it.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:19
Melissa, thank you so much for coming on the show. I could talk to you for another hour or two. It was so much fun talking to you. Like you go down these rabbit holes and you could just just under knock us an hour alone, you know, or the Gnostics are an hour long or the pyramids not

Melissa Tittl 1:05:36
Alive because of the Gnostics right. Simulation and

Alex Ferrari 1:05:41
I appreciate you my dear. Thanks again.

Melissa Tittl 1:05:43
All right. Take care. Thank you.