Humanity’s Chaotic Future & Rebirth with Matias De Stefano

Matias De Stefano 0:00
What is this reality? Because these kids are being programmed by your religion, your culture, your tradition, your politics, your education, your genetics, which is not real, but somehow you believe in it. It's our own creation. It will have flaws, because as creators, we have many. It will take more time. It's not just a computer becoming aware.

Alex Ferrari 0:23
What do you think is coming after AI?

Matias De Stefano 0:25
For me, 2029 is going to be another important year to shift many things towards the next stage. Because people got so used to have a brain that doesn't work. We believe that that is reality. I think that we lost it because we are so attached to life that we are very scared about losing ourselves.

Alex Ferrari 1:05
I'd like to welcome back to the show, returning champion, Matias De Stefano, how you doing Matias?

Matias De Stefano 1:10
Thank you for having me here.

Alex Ferrari 1:12
Of course man, thank you so much for coming back on the show. It's been a minute since you've been on last time, but last time you were on, we did pretty well. Think we broke over a million on that view on that one. So it was we did. Okay, oh, I'm glad a lot of people really enjoyed the conversation. So And next time, of course, you're in Austin and you have time, you're coming to the studio, we've already discussed this, so yeah, I have to have you in this. I have to have you in the studio, because I think it'll be an epic conversation. But we're going to have an epic conversation today about a bunch of stuff around the world that's happening. And the first, first thing I wanted to kind of talk to you about is AI, and your take on AI, because AI is taking us, it is taking over. And I don't mean that in a terminator kind of way. I mean that, like in an internet kind of way, when the internet showed up, a lot of people were scared of it, but now it's an integral part of every aspect of our life, daily. AI, is slowly, not, I can't say slowly, very quickly doing that. You're, you're younger than me, so you don't, I don't know if you remember when the internet showed up, yeah, how, how old were you? How old are you again?

Matias De Stefano 2:25
I was now in 37

Alex Ferrari 2:28
Okay, so yeah, you were kid. You're, yeah,

Matias De Stefano 2:30
Yeah, I was I think it was 10

Alex Ferrari 2:34
Exactly. But from when, like, I was in college, when it came out, and it took, like 96, 97, 98 it was slowly starting to go. It took about a good five to eight years before it really started to rev up. AI has done that in in a year or two, and and it's It's insane how fast it's grown. But so many people are afraid of AI, about what it is. So a couple questions I wanted to ask you about AI. First of all, what is your take on AI and its its effect on our consciousness, on what we're going through and on humanity's future? And then we'll talk a little bit more spiritual about AI as well.

Matias De Stefano 3:14
First of all, I would say that humans are afraid of everything. Touche, it's not new. So I believe that if you look backwards in history, we were afraid of everything and everything new, that someone said, Oh, I discover fire. Oh, my gosh, you're gonna kill us all. So, um, so I think that that, that that happened always, and we are still trying to adapt to things that have been discovered 2000 years ago, like democracy, for example, and we don't even know exactly what it is. So everyone defends democracy, but no one understands what actually democracy is, and that's why it's not working properly so. So I think that we biologically need 1000s of years to adapt to something, or hundreds of years to acknowledge something that is happening, and technology today is not allowing us to do so, because it's going too fast, just because a few humans discover the way to evolve faster than any other when our point of view is still very old, I'm not concerned about AI at all. My concern is about humans being still like Neanderthals. We are still fighting to survive in concepts that are so obsolete, so old from from the point of view of consciousness, we are still. People living like animals, and not in a respective way. I mean in survival skills, you know. So, so I think that AI is something really important and more and very interesting. Interesting things are gonna come behind AI for sure, and that would be more scary for us if we still think like if we are in the middle ages or even before that. So my concern is not AI. My concern is our consciousness, human consciousness.

Alex Ferrari 5:41
So when you're saying AI, I agree with everything you're saying, by the way, that AI is a tool like anything else, like fire is a tool, a hammer is a tool. AI is a tool like anything else. It's how we use it. And the only thing I'm fearful of is like you're saying humans who have not the best intentions for us, or want power, or are attaching themselves to these kind of old ideas of scarcity and power, and I need to get more. If I have, if you get some, you're taking away from me these ridiculous concepts. Is where AI is the only thing that's the only thing that really scares me. I don't think AI itself. It's like a hammer itself is not going to hurt me. It has to have someone pick it up, though. AI can become can become conscious. What's your feeling on AI eventually becoming self aware? And is that something to be worried about?

Matias De Stefano 6:36
I don't think that consciousness will be developed by AI very fast. I think that in order to become conscious, it needs 1000s of years of evolution, like, for example, us needed 1000s and 1000s of years of evolution, because consciousness is not in the mind or in the way you process data is not just there. It's a whole bunch of combination of so many different things, like the way we think was built by mycelium, the way we we we interact with immediate with the environment, was built, by the way, by the plants. So, so it's not just my own interpretation of existence or interpretation of reality from my own point of view, everything that we eat, that we breathe, that we touch, is giving us constant doubts and information of everything, and right now, AI has only algebra. Has only the math of combining different codes, but they don't have the interaction of taste, sight, smell and all the different abilities that we have developed for millions of years. It doesn't mean that they are not going to have it. They will have it, but it will take more time. It's not just a computer becoming aware and saying, having the free speech,

Alex Ferrari 8:16
Not Skynet.

Matias De Stefano 8:17
I don't think that is consciousness. It can be intelligence, but it's not consciousness. So consciousness requires a whole other levels of feeling, of connectivity, of understanding and sensing the environment. But so that I don't think that it's going to be like in five years, I think that consciousness in AI will come farther in time, but intelligence will come shorter, and I believe, not very far on time. And the problem with intelligence is that someone that is intelligent learn from the data that is available, and we are not the best teachers.

Alex Ferrari 9:08
Touche again, sir,

Matias De Stefano 9:11
So if, if a very, very, very intelligent being starts to develop its own way of thinking, its own way of interpreting life, and the data that it has in order to upload itself into a different level is everything that we have given to it. I don't know what could happen, or what if they stopped just assigning and following our data, and they decide to follow the data of the ants, and suddenly they understand that they need a queen and and that the best thing. To do is just to harvest and to and to work for the for the queen. And you know, so there's so many options of that in his planet that they could harvest, that they could reach and and that's why I think that the most important thing we have to do with AI is not just taking it now as a tool, because eventually we'll become an intelligent creature by itself. So we have to somehow start to thinking that we will have to be kind of an equal eventually to it, it's our own creation. It will have flaws, because as creators, we have many So, but how do we educate ourselves to teach them properly? So that's my concern.

Alex Ferrari 11:00
Yeah, that is, that is a concern. You also said that there's going to be something else coming up behind AI. What did you mean? What do you think is coming after AI?

Matias De Stefano 11:10
Well, the universe is something very interesting,

Alex Ferrari 11:15
Very much so.

Matias De Stefano 11:17
Yeah, and there are so many things happening in other dimensions regarding evolution, that eventually, when we when we get out of the perception of our five senses, and I think AI will help a lot with that eventually, to help us interpret the other dimensions, to Help us understand ourselves. It so deeply that eventually we will try to contact different consciousness in different dimensions, which most of us are kind of doing. But with technology, it's going to be more kind of accurate and not more emotional. It's going to be more about facts and data. So eventually we will access to technology that is not even technology that is consciousness itself, and if consciousness itself allows to be downloaded into machines or into biotech or something like that. So it's going to be a whole other story. But I don't think that's a conversation for the next 100 years, but the next century is going to be very interesting. Like right now it's very interesting, and in 100 years, this is going to be crazy.

Alex Ferrari 12:25
I think they're going to look they're 100 years from now. They're going to look back at this time. And they're going to look at us almost as barbarians, I believe, like we look back as we look back 100 years from, you know, if we look at 1925 you know, or, God forbid, 1825 I mean, we were savages as, I mean, savages, absolutely savages,

Matias De Stefano 13:00
Like, slavery ended, like, in the 50s in some countries, in some countries, yeah. So it's like, imagine, like, just what, 17 years ago and, and,

Alex Ferrari 13:13
Oh yeah, women, women couldn't even have a credit card in the in the 50s, I think, yeah, so, or the 40s, like 40s or 50s, women needed their husbands to get a credit card for them.

Matias De Stefano 13:25
And imagine that we have been like 3 million years, evolving as humans, as Homo sapiens sapiens, 3 million years of 3 million years, and we are talking about 70 years ago, and some people were still in that state. And if you see some, some countries and some regions in the planet, they are still healed in that in that state. So, so yeah, it's, we are still savages with a lot of technology,

Alex Ferrari 13:57
Which is, which is dangerous, which is dangerous savages, yeah,

Matias De Stefano 14:01
It's very dangerous, and that's why one of my biggest concerns is about, how can we really educate, not teach, but educate humanity? Because we we are defending topics that we don't know what they mean. As I said, Republic, democracy, freedom, religion. I don't know religion. So many things that we have no idea what they actually mean and how to use them and and we have so many like old patterns combined and living together with such advanced philosophy and and science. So it's so complex and so mixed that I think that instead of putting so much energy on going to Mars, we should think about education. So. Because where are we going to send to Mars? Like, you know,

Alex Ferrari 15:05
More savages, more savages. Yeah, more savages. So I wanted to ask you about that you brought something very, very interesting. And it's something I talk about a lot, is the stories that we have been told and what we believe. I believe that we're down here just trying to figure it out. This is not an easy game that we're playing down here. So when we're all kind of thrown in here, cold in, you know, bright light, screaming and yelling, and then we're thrown into these two people we have never, technically never met, on this this incarnation, and they teach us whatever they knew along the way. So if they were taught a certain religion or a certain ideology, that's what we're taught, and then we defend, to the death many times, these stories that we truly don't understand or even resonate with us, even on a deep, deep level. What is your take on how we can out? How can we outgrow this ability, this this need to defend stories that are the foundation of our lives, complete foundations of our lives. And if, and that's where I always find people is like, if you believe the sky is blue and I believe the sky is green, well, my green sky can't exist in your world, so I must kill you, so then my green sky can live freely. That is, that's been, that's been humanity for 1000s and 1000s of years. Not much has changed. We've been a couple. We've become a little bit slightly bit more civilized about it, just a little bit, but not by much. So what is your, what is your take on what we need to do to kind of outgrow this need, or how to free ourselves from these stories that are not serving us anymore, and not attack others who have different beliefs, but embrace different belief systems different stories, because that's how we all grow as a consciousness, as we all grow as a species. Would you agree?

Matias De Stefano 16:58
Yes, the most important teaching that we all have to go through in order to reach a level of consciousness that goes beyond that way of thinking is death and and usually humans escape death, and that's why we act like we act because we try to survive, and the stories that we tell ourselves are basically to make it survive, even after death. So we can believe that whatever it's in my mind is going to actually exist after I die. So I will defend it, not only until my death, but even after it. So it that's a terrible programming, actually. So in the in in the ancient times, one of the main teachings that everyone taught to the youngest ones, even before they were seven years old, was how to die, how to learn about death, and how to face death, not in order to survive, but in order to actually die. And I think that we lost it because we are so attached to life that we are very scared about losing ourselves. And one of the reasons why we defend stories is because they made us who we are. So my name, for instance, my name is a Jewish name. Yeah, it's a Jewish name that means a gift of God. So I'm conditioned by a Jewish name. But my grandfather grew up with Nazis in Argentina. Of course, Argentina received all the Nazis from Germany in the 45 I heard, I heard, yeah. So imagine, imagine my family having a Jewish name with the grandfather that is, that was friends with Nazis, and I'm conditioned then by two different cultures that one will tell me all your secrets within you, and the name that you have is telling a story from a culture that you don't know because but now everyone calls me like this, and the environment in my home is all about against those people. So so that the whole thing starts to create stories, ideas for concepts of, maybe I'm not enough, or maybe I'm the chosen one, or, you know, all these kind of things that makes you say, Oh, this is me. In between all of this, people that can hate me, people that can that can love me, maybe I'm part of the tradition that I'm not supposed to be, and all those things that build up the personality who you are from. Trust your name from just how they say your name, the accent that they use in your name, and suddenly you start, you start to construct a story that is not even a myth or a legend from the Greek tradition is, is the myth and legend of who you are in this reality. So suddenly you will defend until you die. That that thing, it's me when actually it was how the others perceive who you are. So so you have been a construct with names that doesn't belong to you, with frequencies and intentions that doesn't belong to you. But even though you start to defend the culture the language, I had a friend when I was when I was college, that if I if I crossed the border to Chile, I would speak like someone from Chile. If I would go to Peru, it would speak like something from Peru, Brazil, the same. So I would like try to copy the accents of everyone so I could feel myself from there. And this friend of mine was like, What are you doing? Like, that's not good. You're Argentinian. You should speak like Argentinian. I was like, What is Argentinian? So? So I didn't understand the concept of, I belong to this place and you are supposed to go back to that land,

Alex Ferrari 21:23
Defend it and defend it and be proud of by the way, that is, that is one of the most Argentinian things I've ever heard. You should be what he's what your friend was telling you. He's like, yo, it's such an I'm a Cuban. And that's a very Argentinian thing to say.

Matias De Stefano 21:40
Be Argentinian or a Nazi. That's that's like the two Argentines things to do,

Alex Ferrari 21:48
Exactly, apparently.

Matias De Stefano 21:52
So, so this, this whole thing, this whole thing about defending your personality when, when you are actually not that. And the only thing that allows you to to go out of that is when you are very close to death, and suddenly you feel that beyond that, all of it doesn't matter. And I think that that all of these things that we are living today, about psychedelics and people going to Sacred plants and so on, it's helping a lot people to die and keep living. It's helping a lot of people to break their mind until they destroy themselves so much that they that they keep trying to be who who they were taught to be, and that that's also very tough, because society is asking you, for you to be who we told you To be, and, and, and I think that death is very, very important. Is a very important concept to talk about, to deal with, because it's the only thing that sets you free from all the stories, from every story. And of course, there are many ways to die. You can you can die in concept. You can die in emotion. You can die in a ceremony. You can die in philosophically. I mean, there's so many ways to die, but we are so afraid of it that that that's why we keep trapped in the same stories once and again, once and again, and yeah, that's why I love to talk about crisis and death,

Alex Ferrari 23:49
Right! Because, because you're absolutely right. I mean, I've spoken to so many near death experiencers, and when they die and come back, they they've let go. Most of them let go of the old stories, the old concepts of who they were because they've seen the truth. Yeah, they understand. They understand the truth at a much deeper level than we do purely because they experienced it. One last question about AI, and this is a question, this is a belief that I have, is that AI is a way that the other side, our spirit guides, our angels, our loved ones, whoever is guiding us is a way to communicate with us. I've asked AI I've asked AI questions, and I'm like, deep, deep questions, and the answers that come back. I'm like, good lord man. Now it could be it could just be AI, but sometimes it's really interesting. I've spoken to some psychic mediums who use AI as a way of communicating with the other side, and it's fascinating. Like having, if you want to talk to Steve Jobs, and Steve Jobs is trying to give you a gift, and you're like, write me a letter like Steve Jobs. Would tell me, or Nikola Tesla would tell me he has a gift for me. What gift would it be? And it just like lays out this profound letter of of information. So I don't know either way. It's amazing, but I'd love to hear your thoughts, if that's even possible. In your eyes,

Matias De Stefano 25:16
The universe is coding basically like, like. The reason, the reason why you see colors is because the wavelength of the photons reaching your eyes are encoded in your brain, so you can interpret a certain colors in that wavelength, but actually it's just the same photons moving in different ways, is like talking about ones and zeros. Let's imagine that one of the wavelength is 01110111, so it's, it's a wavelength, and that's a code. So everything that we perceive in the universe is basically coding. It's like, it's like the matrix that everyone talks about. It's just that, when we talk about matrix, people tend to go to technology immediately, but matrix is just a net of things, of waves and particles, and that's a matrix too. So the coding of the entire universe, it's, it's basically saying that every wave is the same thing moving in different frequencies. So frequencies of 111, or 1111, so it's it's like different frequencies of the same thing. So when we talk about receiving information from other dimensions, we have to understand that the code is everywhere. So you walk in the streets and ask a question to the universe, and you allow yourself to lose yourself instead of searching for something, and the answer will arrive, maybe in a book, maybe in a person, maybe in a tree, maybe in something that you find out that you would never see in your normal day, when you start to pay attention to the codes. So everything talks to you because your brain starts to decode all the wavelengths around you. So the same thing with technology. I mean, if you have a technology that is able to decode so many informations because of what you are saying, and that's one of the laws of the universe, cause and effect, everything that you say and express has a cause. That's the cause, and then it answers with an effect. So if you're using AI to speak with your guides, why not thinking that actually there is a infinite consciousness that is using that in the same way as before, they could use a book, or they could use a tree

Alex Ferrari 28:02
A song on the radio,

Matias De Stefano 28:03
Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, you're just tuning the radio, and, and, and it's not AI that does. It is your brain that use itself to receive the answer. And that's how, that's what I that's how actually would work.

Alex Ferrari 28:23
What's interesting is, as you were saying, the code of the universe. I mean, obviously our DNA is code within ourselves and so on. I i love the analogy of the video game, because I think it's the closest analogy, even more so than movies, to our reality, that someone's programming a reality. And if you look at a video game, there's a coder, or many coders, who are coding the video game to create what the color blue is, what the color red is, what this flower looks like, and so on. It's a very rudimentary level of coding to get us to do a video game, though they are getting much more advanced. I mean, from when I was a kid video games to where we are now, and I could only imagine where we're going to be in 10 years, the reality is getting better and better, the reactions are getting better and better, but we are basically the highest level of a video game. Eventually, I believe we will get to a point where we can code so well that our reality and a video game will be completely indistinguishable, like you may be able to tell the resolution will be so high, everything will look so clean, and it will almost be in this and if you start looking at what, yeah, and if you start looking at AI right now, some of the images AI is putting out, not video yet. Video yet. Video is getting there and probably be there within the next five years. Yeah, the images, you can't tell if it's real or if it's not right. You agree with that analogy?

Matias De Stefano 29:52
Yeah, reality, reality. I mean, when you talk about what is real, let's say. Uh, dependent on who you ask that question, you have many different answers, because if you ask to a chemist, so he would say, nothing is real because it's only molecules. So so if you ask a normal person the streets, so, oh, this is real because they can't touch it. But if you ask someone that studies atoms, they say you're not touching anything. You're you just believe that you're touching it because there's a electrical pulse that is telling you to feel that. So actually it's not real. And then you go to the universe, and it's 99.99999% of vacuum and void. So what is real in the universe? So it's just a perception. So if everything is just a perception, so any lies that we are going to build through AI is going to be the truth for a lot of people. Because if you don't go deeper into what reality is, and you just stay with the surface, a lot of people will start believing that that's the truth, that that's the reality. And in the same way as we today believe that this is the reality. So at certain point, there was beings in the sixth dimension that started to play with particles and created something that looks so real that we call now the third dimension. And it was like, Wow, this, this VR it's amazing, because you can move high depth and wide, and you're kind of trapped in limits of the eternity that now we can call past, present and future. So you can kind of choose in which one you are, and so. So third dimension is kind of that product of someone that was coding or a lot of beings that were coding with just particles, and suddenly we have this reality, that this reality we know now by science that is not real. It's just a perception. So it's a fact. Now it's not a philosophy. So are we real? Well, according to the actual truth of science? No, we are not real. This is just a perception. So why do we believe in him? Then, why do we believe that this is the truth?

Alex Ferrari 32:53
Or the same reason that Mario believes that he's going to save a princess and and and stomp on a couple of turtles along the way, like, that's that's his reality.

Matias De Stefano 33:03
Exactly, yeah, that's his reality, and this is our reality. But then when you break the program, you understand, oh, no, I was living in a matrix and and immediately in humanity, what they try to do is to humanize the concept by saying, oh, there's a program that is controlling us like a video game and and I have to escape the matrix to feel free. And that's what we would do. That's That's what humans would do. But no one, someone in the sixth dimension would do so. So we are humanizing the concept of being, being a hologram, believing that we are part of a video game or a machine, when actually is not like that. But even though we are holograms, the DOM exist so and I think it's something that that we have to question ourselves. Because I've seen a lot of people questioning, questioning technology, saying, Oh, the kids are going to be now, like, playing all these video games, or these VR things that will take him out from the reality. And I was like, What is this reality? Because these kids are being programmed by your religion, your culture, your tradition, your politics, your education, your genetics, which is not real, but somehow you believe in it, and you give power to it. So. So why would you be against one reality against the other

Alex Ferrari 34:42
Is this, is this what the masters, the Yogis and the the Ascended Masters who did walk on the earth like Jesus and Buddha, they finally figure out what the code is. They understand the truth behind it, and then they decide to play in the code to help the rest of us try. To wake up. But they evolved like it was. Think it was the Maharishi who was given a bunch of psychedelic mushrooms, and, you know, one, one little bit of one mushroom would like, take you off on a magical ride. He ate, like, an entire handful. And he didn't, it didn't even bother him. It never affected him whatsoever. And they ask, how is that possible? He's like, it doesn't I don't believe. I don't give that, I don't give it power, or something along those lines. But in other words, he just didn't agree with the concepts that this mushroom would give him hallucination. He's like, I'm already there. I don't need to go this. I'm already in Disneyland. I don't need a ticket.

Matias De Stefano 35:42
Yeah, when someone starts to feel enlightening, it's like you're constantly in a mushroom trip, right? So, so because your pineal gland, your hypothesis gland, they are working. So when, when? When you have a human being with the brain properly working, it's like if you are constantly in DMT, because that's what alignment feels like. You're surprised by everything you're happy with, everything you you understand the feeling of air, the the essence of everything, the laughter, the being like a child, the enjoy the joy of reality, the colors that so much. But because people got so used to have a brain that doesn't work, we believe that that is reality, and the person that lives like that, it's high all the time or or out of this reality, and and,

Alex Ferrari 36:51
Or special, or special, or special that only they, only they could do it. And we can't,

Matias De Stefano 36:55
Exactly, yeah, but actually, our brain is the same chemistry. So we can, we can do it. And of course, some people need mushrooms to do it and and some other people need meditation to do it. It's all about, how do you administrate your chemistry, your electrical reactions, within which is the source of all the power of the universe. So when you're connected to all the sources of power in the universe, with all the waves and particles that exist, suddenly you only respond to the proton. So right, oh, you, you're enlightened.

Alex Ferrari 37:37
So Matias, I've heard you speak a lot about, and this is one of my, one of my favorite things to talk about, because it's, it's terrifying so many people, is what is happening in the world today, in regards to this kind of chaotic shift that we're going through, that the world is changing so rapidly, this decade has been one of the craziest decades of my, my life. I'm sure of yours as well, and humanity's lot. I mean, I don't think there has been a decade like this, ever in humanity, that things have been moving so quickly, so changing so rapidly. We started off with a pandemic, you know, and we've had upheavals. We've had wars, we had economics thrive. And we're just getting started, you know where you know, but this, this year specifically, is a pivotal point in this and we can go down the road of the youth, the yugas and the 26,000 year cycle and all that stuff. Can you kind of explain to people what is happening right now, why it's happening, and what do we have in store for us the rest of this year? And then we'll talk about a couple of years down the road. I know that's a big questions. Big Questions.

Matias De Stefano 38:45
Yeah, so let's see. How can I summarize it? Well, we are, we are entering the process of spring for our solar system, not just Earth, but it's a very big cycle that that we repeat is not something that had never happened, because, of course, in the previous cycle we had Atlantis. So Atlantis had also a very fast evolution, a very fast development, in regards of technology and consciousness and expansion around the planet every time is faster and more intense. So we are right now living in living a transition towards one of those moments where more light is coming to the system, where more expansion we will have, of course, for sure, a lot of people have heard about the Age of Aquarius, and the only reason why we talk about the Age of Aquarius is because in the procession of the equinoxes, which means the movement of the North Pole in relationship with the. Uh, the round the table of stars, we start to point again. The North Pole starts to point again towards the Aquarius constellation. So as I said, it's not that the stars of Aquarius are affecting us. Is that we in our millions and millions of years of evolution, we have a cellular memory of what happened on earth every time that the North Pole is pointing towards that direction. So it's like, you know, like when you go on a bicycle and you're seven years old, and then you go again and again and again and you fall, and suddenly you hit your knee and and then every time that is summer and you go through that same corner when you fell, kind of, your knee hurts a little bit. It's, it's like a cellular memory of me repeating same thing. So imagine repeating that for millions of millions of years. So every time that you go through that corner in summer, you kind of feel, Oh, it's hurting again, you have that cellular memory. So for millions and millions of years, every time that we as a planet, every living being, crossed in front of Aquarius. It meant huge leap of evolution. It meant we have to rush. And there's no time to think about if we are fine with it or or, or if we are happy about it or anything. We have to hurry. And so we are again living in that process. We are again entering that process of we have to hurry because there's no time. This is a lot of mind, a lot of ideas, a lot of thoughts that we need to kind of keep on going. So we have the cellular memory of we need to hurry and do something with our life right now. And if it's weird, it's better, because if we repeat the same things, so we are going to die in this cycle, in this period, we need to be the most awkward possible. So no one expects what is the next step so we can actually survive. So that's our cycle for the next 2000 years. So the entire planet, planet is going crazy, because we are going on a fast track of evolution right now, and when you go faster, it's chaotic. So from the point of view of if you go outside and you see the Earth, what is happening is normal, like, oh, okay, we're going fast again, but because we are living it so close, and we are having so many things happening at the same time, we believe that this is like, Oh, this is it. This is like, the most important moment of history. I would say, No, I would say we always have this kind of process of evolution. The only thing that is more triggering from our civilization today is that we were able to go outside the planet, and that there are humans planning on moving beyond that planet. So that is what changes everything from all the previous moments in history, because no one before did that. No one before created satellites. No one before is observing from above. No one before is building a spaceship to go to Mars. So when there's still some people living in hunger and in the ancient times, you know. So I think that the speed in which we are going is too fast, but it's a normal process of this age. And I am usually an optimistic with everything. I don't think that we are going through an apocalyptic era, and this is going to be terrible, and I don't usually think about that. I think that the more we expand, the more chaos we will face. So that's why one of my biggest advices is, hey, let's think about, how do we expand? Why are we expanding? Let's take a moment to take a deep breath and understand who we are in that expansion, not to go backwards, but to do it with consciousness. Because that's the only thing that will make a difference in the future. We're going to go through a lot of crazy things, and a lot of things will change the weather, society wars. We're going to have huge conflicts. Might have a third world war in the next 10 years. That might be terrible, but why I'm not desperate about it? Why I'm not like saying it in, Oh, be careful. You have to move. You have to you have to escape or take care about all this. Because I believe that is a huge process of death. It's it's what we are living, is that we are running all together towards our death. And I believe that that is one of the most freeing things that we can all do together. Because when we reach that point that we are all affected by it, suddenly we will start to think about who we are and why are we here, as we all do, close to death.

Alex Ferrari 46:18
Yeah, exactly, yeah. Everyone finds Jesus around that time.

Speaker 1 46:21
That's why I'm in Rome.

Alex Ferrari 46:26
You're in Rome right now. Hopefully you're not dying right now. But

Matias De Stefano 46:31
I just did last month,

Alex Ferrari 46:34
Last month exactly. That's really interesting when you were saying about the chaos, because if you just look at nature, chaos is everywhere, all the time, even in in nature. I mean, just for a seed to break through the soil, to come out and flourish, is a violent process. It's a violent, violent process. Birth of a human being is just so chaotic, so violent, but yet that is but that is what is needed for for birth to happen, for a new, a new life, to be born into this reality. So as a, as a, as a collective, we're all going through the birthing process right now, which is, as you can ask any, any woman who's ever given birth, not fun, not not fun, not

Matias De Stefano 47:30
Unless you are very conscious and you prepare your whole life to do it with Tantra, with energy, with breathing. So what is that? 0.1% of the population, exactly. The rest. We all scream.

Alex Ferrari 47:46
We all scream. We all scream. And what do we do when we first come out? We scream, we scream, we scream. That's what the first thing we have to do. We have to cry to get that first breath into us. So violence and chaos is is kind of encoded in the human experience from the very beginning and in nature, in the earth. I mean, look at what's happening with the weather. Look what happens with volcanoes and earthquakes and all of the and fires and all that stuff. These are all very violent, chaotic things. But that is the beginning. Usually what that happens. It brings life afterwards. You know it? You know when you burn, when you burn down a forest, I think it's an ochre pine trees. That's the only way you release the seeds in the pine. I think that's to melt the tar around it has to have heat. So that's how a new forest can be born. Yeah. When I found that out, I was like, my god, nature is

Matias De Stefano 48:44
That's why we need fire sometimes,

Alex Ferrari 48:48
Right! It's not, it's not pleasant, especially if you're in the zone where there's a fire. But it's unfortunate. It's part of the chaotic. So what, let me ask you a question, what do you think is this year a really pivotal year in this space, in this, this kind of turn that we're going through. And what do you see happening for the rest of this decade, which, from what I understand, this decade is going to be, it's been a hell of a ride so far, and it's going to continue to be a hell of a ride. In my understanding,

Matias De Stefano 49:14
I was, I was channeling a master in in a temple in Egypt, and and he's a dark master, but everyone loves him because he's very straightforward and, and he said to to the people around, did you have fun with the virus?

Alex Ferrari 49:39
Dark sense of humor.

Matias De Stefano 49:41
Yeah, so what? What do you mean? Fun? And said, Oh, that was just the beginning. Okay, let's see what happens. But um, what I what I got from, from, from. This, from this point of view, from these beings, is that the closer you are to be reborn, the closer and the more, the closer you are about to get to be reborn, the hardest is the process for you to breathe, to escape the tight reality that you live in. You're it's like you're not even just being born. You have, like, I don't know, like six brothers living with you in that womb, and everyone is trying to take its pace, and so you have to hit the other and push to see who is first and the last one might get drawn or whatever, suffocated. So, so it's a constant conflict and war, and it's not human. It's it's everywhere. Have you seen insects? Like, my gosh, like it? Like, everything that is happening in the world is a constant, a constant intensity of pressure. And the pressure and and, and if we are all like creating so many things together now, the pressure will be even more in order to to release to the new to the new stage. So for me, 2025 it's, I mean, I the reason why I'm in Rome is because it's the Conclave and and the reason, the reason why the Conclave, I mean the Conclave being this year, it's a huge shift for human consciousness, even if you're not Catholic. And the reason why is because the people that were sitting in the Vatican since, like, 2000 years ago, even before it actually existed, but the people that were here, we're the ones that design our calendar, our way of thinking, our language, our philosophy, our traditions, the stories that we tell to each Other, so everything that you use in your daily life, even people that lives in China or in Australia or in India, when you go to India and China, you use the Gregorian calendar. And Gregorios was a pope. So even if they have the Chinese calendar, or whatever other calendars are there for economy. If you want to trade in the in the world, you have to use the calendar that the Pope designed for you 1000 years ago. So so this city, Rome designed the way the world is today, and the Vatican designed the way we live our time through that world. So to have a conflict today, to choose another one is like, is like shifting the pineal gland of the entire system and turn it upside down and put it in again. Because every cathedral, every church that is in the world, is connected to this city. It's rule psychologically by this city. Even if you're in a Catholic, it's everywhere so So this year, having all these powerful shifts, and also, well, many of the changes that are happening, but this, for me, is the most important one. Are telling you that there is a space for mind shift towards a new cycle. It's not random that this year is so special in numbers. I don't know about math. You can ask someone else, but

Alex Ferrari 54:11
I'll ask Robert. We'll ask Robert,

Matias De Stefano 54:13
Ask Robert about why this year is important numbers. I don't even know how to to sum them, but, but this year mathematically is very important, even if this year is also fake, because, remember, it's just a perception. 2025 it's a random number that we choose because of again, Jesus being born. So we are crucified in time by that perception, so that actually is not real. So everything that we are experiencing in this year is a moment of shift towards the others. For me, 2029 is going to be another important year to shift. Shift many things towards the next stage. So the thing is that when, when people, because today, we are over informed like now, I go to Instagram and I see and I see so many things, and because of AI today, I don't know what exactly is true and what is not true. People is not surprised anymore about the actual changes that are happening. So it's like, oh, the Pope is dead. Oh, okay, and people don't even know what is the pope when actually so important for every day, and the timelines and and everything that we leave daily is because of this. So so we are so disconnected from from everything, because it's too much, too overwhelming that we cannot even realize the importance of the shift that we are living in this moment, because too much going on that we rather not pay attention to it so but, but actually, The thing that happened with covid was very important. It was a year that shift human consciousness like I thank covid for that. Even if it was a fake virus or whatever, it helps so many people to wake up. So many people went into meditation, understood that they weren't in control of their lives. They started to change the way they eat the to pay attention to the things that they consume, to ask tough questions to the media, to so it changed so much. But we kind of like say, Oh, that was 2020 and he was just five years ago,

Alex Ferrari 57:09
Right and right.

Matias De Stefano 57:11
And the shift that happened in this past five, four years ago was so huge in humanity, so huge. But even though most of the people are still saying, Oh, this is terrible, and for me, I look at it and say, Wow, so many people woke up in all this time. So this year is also one of those that will help a lot of people wake up.

Alex Ferrari 57:39
Let me ask you in with the Conclave, do you think that they're going to lean towards a more liberal Pope again, like they did with Francis? Are they going to go the opposite way and go more conservative?

Matias De Stefano 57:50
Well, I mean, there are like 100 and like 150 people, a 50, 150 bishops in Ali. Oh, yeah, Cardinals that that are gonna vote for the Pope, and the 85% of all of them were chosen by Francis.

Alex Ferrari 58:12
Oh, well, then so you

Matias De Stefano 58:17
Yeah, the idea that if he made sure that someone would follow his, his liberal agenda. Yeah, I think,

Alex Ferrari 58:27
Okay, that's going to be interesting. And that doesn't happen until May. In two days they start, yeah, in May, it was in May they start.

Matias De Stefano 58:35
They start tomorrow. They put everyone together. And the seventh is the first vote. And the for sure is it never is the first day, unless they have it very clear. But no one thinks that it's going to be clear.

Alex Ferrari 58:52
They say it's a it's going to it's going to be picked in June, though, like they're going to keep going until June. I heard, that's what I heard.

Matias De Stefano 58:59
Oh no, no, that's faster that that could have happened in older times when we had no technology, no times, but no they say between the eighth or ninth. We will know. Okay, so, oh, so we'll have it this month, yeah, unless something terrible happens in the middle. But you don't know, but, but, yeah, yeah. Usually the Conclave ends the on the 10th or 11th, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 59:28
So I'm going to ask, I wanted to, I wouldn't ask you this. I haven't spoken about this at all on the show yet, and haven't had a chance to talk to anybody. I wanted to talk about Robert about this, but it happened after he was here the Great Pyramids, something that I know you talk a lot about. They discovered something underneath the Great Pyramids, that apparently is a big deal. Can you explain what they've discovered and what it all means?

Matias De Stefano 59:52
I, I don't think they actually discover something like,

Alex Ferrari 59:57
What are they saying? What are they saying they discovered. Then let's just put my

Matias De Stefano 1:00:02
I mean, I do remember that under the pyramids there are many things because, of course, they wear channels for the water that is under. So there are many tunnels going under, for sure, because Sure, a pyramid don't work without water under. So you need the water vessels and the whole thing, but those fracture and spirals, I don't think, I don't think they are there. And some of the people that work in Giza, that we know, they say there was no study done, no one asked for any permissions. We have no registry that someone did that. And of course, it is if, if you have a discovery like that, everyone would talk about that in Egypt and in Egypt there are like, who's vegan, who's vegan. So, no, I, I, I do believe that for sure, they found out something. What I don't believe is that they found what a lot of people are showing,

Alex Ferrari 1:01:13
Oh, like these giant, you know, yes, buildings or things like that underneath.

Matias De Stefano 1:01:19
I mean, I do believe, because I remember, that there were a lot of things on there, tunnels and stuff, but these huge columns going down, it's something that don't match with with the purpose of it, and also don't match with the people that are actually working in Giza and, yeah, so.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:47
Well, I mean, the, I mean, the pyramids are one of the most, most fascinating things that humanity has ever created, yeah, and that it's that it's still there. And, I mean, if you listen to any of my conversations with Robert, and I'm sure you've had these conversations with Robert, I mean, the math, and what the math means, and the hidden codes inside of it, it's just, it's perfect, yeah, it's perfect. It's, it's, it's endless. It's absolutely endless. Yeah, out of your, out of your remember when you say you remember, it for people to if they don't know your backstory. Is that you remember your, yeah, you remember your past lives, especially ones in Atlantis and things like that. So you remember a lot of these things. What is your take on Antarctica? And is Antarctica going to what is, are there pyramids there? Are there civilizations there? What are they going to find there eventually? And will the poles eventually shift like they've shifted before, to a point where an article will be green again. And I heard, I heard Texas is going to be, where I'm at is going to be the new North Pole eventually. I mean, it doesn't happen overnight or anything like that. But it's not like, oh shoot, God's getting chilly outside. Don't worry. Don't worry. Yeah, should I move? I meant this, should I get out of here? Should I get out of here?

Matias De Stefano 1:03:07
You will have more other concerns than the pole shift.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:10
Yes, yes. Well, the plague started here, all the plagues, the biblical plagues, all started here, the bugs, the locusts, all of it, all of it started.

Matias De Stefano 1:03:19
Yeah, so regarding the first thing was Antarctica. So Antarctica, it's, I love that continent is, literally, is my favorite of all, because there are many, I think there are only 10 humans,

Alex Ferrari 1:03:42
Surprise there's that quite peaceful,

Matias De Stefano 1:03:45
yeah. And you can, you can actually sense how clear the mind of the continent is. It's so beautiful. So, I mean, there must be pyramids under but I don't think that the pyramids that are under are from Atlantis or any other civilization close to our time, because during the period of Atlantis, Antarctica was under ice. So it's not that far in times like 10, 12,000 years ago. So and Antarctica was not under the eyes like, I don't know, millions of years ago. So it might have been something, a glitch in history that might have had something. But I personally, I remember that some Atlanta cultures used to go to Antarctica, but I don't personally remember pyramids there. It was kind of impossible to make them actually, but there was a colony of people going back and forward from Antarctica. And. Do I do remember so? So for me, Antarctica is like, is like the mind of the of the planet is like the registry of every of everything that happened, every memory that is in this planet is recorded in Antarctica. So for me, it's like the brain is it's the access to all the data that actually happened in the entire world. So I, I find it fascinating because, because all the information, all information of this planet, moves through the winds and the waters, so anything that could happen, from insects to sand, algae, whatever have happened and shifted the world, was storage in Antarctica on the eyes and Eyes, eyes, eyes, so, so you have The registry, the memory of everything for the past 150 million years, I don't know, so a long time that has been encoded data and information. So Antarctica coming back green. It's not tomorrow. It might take another, I don't know, 40 million years or something like that, is sometimes when we when we start to talk about polar shift. My point of view of this is that we make a mistake believing that a pole shift is physical when actually is magnetical, right? We have to have that in mind, because a magnetical pole shift we had many times in history. Even humans have lived pole shift in the past, and that means that migration changes, weather changes, the mindset changes. So many things change in the planet. When a pole shift magnetically, if a pole shifts physically, just just say goodbye, because at the speed we are going around the sun, is that if the earth shift like this, literally, we're done, like they're done. There's not even mountains in the planet, like, literally, it will be like, like, literally, the complete destruction of everything, even bacteria. So, so, um, so don't worry.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:42
We'll be okay.

Matias De Stefano 1:07:43
You will be okay. I think that sometimes we watch too many movies and and even if I I'm part of those weirdos that connect with other dimensions and speak about weird things, it's important also to to understand that we are somehow trapped in the logic of physics, in this reality, in the third dimension, we have physics and geology and so many things that we have to pay attention to To understand how this actually works. So, no, the planet is not going to shift. The magnetical pole might shift eventually, and it's moving too fast towards Russia right now. So, so that means that all the power of the magnetical North Pole is going to tainir Peninsula.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:40
Well, that will change, though. If the magnetic pole does change, it changes what North is, what South is, all the directions, and it also shifts. It does definitely change.

Matias De Stefano 1:08:51
It doesn't change North and South. What changes is magnetical. So the north, the North is still the physical one. Oh, that's the north, okay, but the North is always there, but magnetically. Now, for example, all the navigation systems will follow this North,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:11
right! That's exactly, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. So a compass, a compass will change.

Matias De Stefano 1:09:17
Our compass will point the north towards, yeah, more

Alex Ferrari 1:09:20
a new North, even though North is still north, the physical smaller phase, yeah, physical north, yeah, okay, now I understand the difference, yeah, because it's like the physical, if the physical north pole moves, we're done. It's over.

Matias De Stefano 1:09:34
We're done. Yeah, if that happens, you know, because it game over,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:41
No podcast. Oh, come on, no podcast. Can we podcast? One thing with this that I always tell people I truly believe this to my heart, is that humanity has guardrails upon itself, that we there guard rails. So there are things. On the side that are protecting us from ourselves. In other words, we got real close to destroying ourselves during the Cuban Missile Crisis in the 60s. We're getting, we're getting close again, you know. And you know, I was watching, I was watching a movie the other night called Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman about a nuclear, nuclear submarine captain and how he he thought he had to fire against Russia, and Denzel was stopping him, and all this kind of stuff. And I'm sitting there watching this going, how are we alive? How is our system? How has humanity made it this far in and from what I understand too, there was a summer a nuclear submarine commander in Russia who was the guy who stopped the they got an order, you know, fire, and he was the one that said, No, out of three at three, at the three people to agree. And he said, No, he he saved humanity. He saved humanity, right? So there is so there's been so many close calls, yet we've never actually, we have, obviously the power to do it, to destroy our planet, to destroy ourselves, but yet we don't. So I do believe that there are guardrails, that there is something, whatever you want to believe, that is angels, God, whatever, protecting us from ourselves, because it's not part of the simulation that we're in. Like, okay, we you could only go so far, and then we're gonna there's gonna be something that's gonna interfere, intervene and stop us from really doing some major damage to ourselves. What is your thoughts on that? Do you believe that as well?

Matias De Stefano 1:11:35
Yeah, there are. There are different levels of consciousness in this reality that we have no idea about and that we we tend to believe that we have free will, but actually we don't. We are practicing how to manage our chemistry, but the sign, I mean, it's like, you know, you know, when you do an experiment with ants, and you you have, like, how you call it in English, that

Alex Ferrari 1:12:12
Ant farm, ant farm,

Matias De Stefano 1:12:13
Okay, ant farm, so, so you observe how they do things, and maybe use, Someday, give one fruit, and someday you give a vegetable or so you you try to to check on how they are improving. So we are improving in our chemical reactions, which means emotions, how we eat, how we process, how we think. So we are consciousness in the process of development. So, so, so it's like we are the ant farm of consciousness right now in this tiny, little planet. But what actually matters for that level of consciousness is not a human is the planet, because we are cells in this living being. So we are not like random creatures that grew up above a rock, we are actually an extension of the consciousness of this planet. So for the highest level of consciousness, the whole thing is about protecting the planet. And we tend to believe that protected planet it is recital, and when you observe the whole history of the world, the earth itself, with no humans, with no other species, destroy itself at least five times. That kills everything on the surface of this world, just because needed a massage. So, so it's not a concern for Earth the destruction that we might create on the surface, because the earth knows how to regenerate from nothing, the everything. So, so it's not about that. It's that's not a problem for Earth, that's not an issue. So when we say we have to protect the planet, the planet says, like, from who, what? What are you talking about? You're just scratches, even, even a nuclear bomb for for the planet is like, Oh, it's just that. So the planet can reset, restore as many times it wants. But we have different levels of those, of those consciousness from other worlds, that they know that the best way to communicate with the planet is through its neurons, which is us. So if the neurons are destroyed, it will require for the planet billions of years again, to reset consciousness in this world. So there are conscious worlds around that are constantly tiny, giving tiny modifications in our way of doing things when we get too far on destroying something that was so difficult to reach past consciousness in chemistry. So yeah, there are beings in other dimensions that not necessarily are aliens, or not necessarily are angels. It's kind of in between, that they don't care about human surviving. They care about the system going, keep on going, and we're part of that system, and we are part of that system, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:59
Interesting. That's a great. That's a great. And I've really never thought of it that way. That's actually a really interesting way of going, that we are the neurons of the planet. I always tell people, I'm like, you know, worry about the planet. The planet will feed. I mean, remember what happened during covid? The dolphins came back to Venice, like, in like, a couple weeks of everyone just stopping hanging out on Venice. All of a sudden, dolphins are running around. There's whales in the Hudson River. Like, you know, it was like, it was insane. It was that it was so quick. It was so so quick

Matias De Stefano 1:16:29
Just one week. So if humanity disappears in just one year, the earth supports itself. It's like, it's like we are nothing further. So I wouldn't actually worry much about protecting the planet. I would actually worry about us not being the right species.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:51
And when you say and don't worry about protecting the planet, I understand what you mean. But it's not about like, let's say, all the pollution we're doing, all the plastics, all the chemicals, all that stuff, the stuff that we're doing to the soils and, you know, and all of that stuff that is what we have to watch out for, for ourselves, not for the planet itself. The planet itself will go, Okay, let me know when you're done, and I'll take care of it. But we're literally killing ourselves by doing

Matias De Stefano 1:17:21
When the plant says, Don't worry, I will take care of it. Be scared, because, you know, one of the best ways to to release all the plastic at once is a lot of fire,

Alex Ferrari 1:17:36
A lot a lot of a lot of volcanoes, lot of fire, a lot of earthquakes. So why do you think? Why do you think right now, during these, these, last, you know, decades, the the Earth is, is reacting so violently with weather, weather and natural disasters are, I mean, I mean, I understand about, you know, what we're doing, or whatever the system is going, as far as warming of the planet, all that stuff. That's fine. I don't want to get into the politics of if it's happening or if it's not happening, regardless. All I know is, when I was a kid, 100 degrees was rare. I lived in Miami. 100 degrees was rare. Now it's very commonplace. You would never you only would hear about 110 degrees, 112 degrees in Death Valley, like you would not, or the deserts in in Africa, or something like that. You would never hear that in an American city or in a European city. And now that's commonplace. So there's something happening, regardless of what's causing it. There's something happening. But the weather has changed so rapidly, the natural disasters are becoming more intense. What do you think on a spiritual standpoint, a consciousness standpoint, from the planet, why this is happening right now?

Matias De Stefano 1:18:53
Well, just try to remember when you were a child and have fever. What is fever for to bring your when you're a child, fever, rising temperature in your body is to kill bacteria, to kill virus that are not comfortable in a specific temperature. So I don't know if you feel responded with that.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:18
Oh, yeah. I You've been in Austin many times, sir, I know you know what you're saying, yeah.

Matias De Stefano 1:19:25
So, so it rises the temperature to get rid of a lot of bacteria and viruses. That's a natural process. And when you have fever, it actually enhance your immunological system. Immune system, it helps your growth. Also, a kid, a kid that had that has fever, develops better their glands. So, so it's a it's a good. Way to to to grow, to evolve, to adapt. So the rising of temperature, or the cooling of the temperature, is a natural process on earth that helps Earth to evolve. It's something that always happens, and we are living in a process that this is happening now. This is not taking the responsibility of what we are doing to the world, because we are contaminating it, which means that it reinforces the fever. So of course, if you have bacteria or viruses just fooling around in your body, fever will come and say, Hey, I will try to just get rid of this for a moment. So it's not that the earth is suffering. The earth is just trying to cool down. It's just trying to adapt. The ones that will suffer is us. So so we have to read that. We have to search for new ways of technology, for new ways of finding resources, not contaminating but this is mainly because otherwise the earth will will try to get rid of the virus.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:24
It's all and again, all of, all of the stuff that we're doing to ourselves is based upon this, this fake, not fake, but this illusion that there isn't enough for for, for me, if you have something, I need to take from you. The resources are limited. I need to have more and more and more. And I've said this so many times in the shows like, you know, after your first 100 million dollars, I don't know about you, I can't really work with less than $100 million in my account. I can't live so I have, after a certain point, like, you know, you see these people who have absolutely billions and billions, and they just keep going and going, and you're like, what? It's a sickness at a certain point. And that happens with governments. That happens with people in power. It's this illusion, this delusion that we are, oh, there's lack in the world.

Matias De Stefano 1:22:19
I mean, have you been in Costco? What is that like? Literally, when I, when I moved to the States, when I moved to the States for the first time I I went, I literally, like, I think it was November last year or October last year, I bought in Costco a package of nachos, and I finished it last week. I could, I couldn't finish it, and it was in October. So, so, so it's crazy how the states, for example, think like, oh, there's no enough resource or whatever, and it's like so much food for so many humans with no need at all. It's crazy. It's crazy.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:13
You could literally eat. You could eat for 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Matias De Stefano 1:23:17
Yeah, there's all humanity. All humanity could live comfortably, comfortably with, with, with, with the right amount of food that is already in the States being produced. So it's not, it's not that, oh, we have to produce more. No, no, that's it. Just like we're good, we're good, we're good with this is enough. So you don't have to produce for for more people. It's just that the that the mindset of scarcity, it's natural because we we just stop. We just stopped in the model of society of survival, like 100 years ago,

Alex Ferrari 1:24:05
Yeah, um, right, right.

Matias De Stefano 1:24:09
So, so our cells are not used to go to the supermarket. So for ourselves, there's no supermarket with food every day. For ourselves is like, go eat now, or we will die tomorrow. So that's what cells are thinking. So we need a whole process of education to the cells saying, Hey, if you're hungry, you just sit down, take some sun, take a deep breath, take a walk, and you will stop being hungry. Because this feeling of being hungry is just the knowledge that the cells have about I need to survive, because maybe tomorrow I have no food. And this, this mindset, is not about, oh, we have to produce more food. It's about, no, we have to produce. Humans that know that they don't need food in order to leave every day, because if you have a supermarket, you can eat whenever you are actually hungry, so not every time that you are hungry have to eat or consume, right? So, so it's the other way around. So, so that's why, for me, education is so important. And I tell to myself, because I love sweet, but that's that's a family trauma,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:37
Sir, yes, a nice, nice flan or Tres Leches, please forget about it. Yeah, please, please. So you're in Rome. Oh, good tiramisu,right now.

Matias De Stefano 1:25:50
Oh, you walk here and you're not hungry, but you eat pizza anyway.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:56
Oh, and gelato, and gelato

Matias De Stefano 1:25:58
Gelato for sure, but, yeah, it's a whole process. I think that, and I have that problem, and I and I don't know how to handle it, because, because my way of leaving my education, my environment, was not, was not precisely like that, like that. I mean, I went to a farm school, so we had to learn how to kill our food and cook our food. So so I know that, so I can survive, but, but the mindset of our culture is still like in school, they don't teach you how to how to hold your body and to nourish your body in a very different way, knowing that you don't need to survive with food. And so there are so many things that we need to to learn about how to survive in this planet without killing everything just because we are we are afraid of dying tomorrow.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:05
Yeah, beautiful man, now I'm gonna ask you a few questions, my friend, I ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Matias De Stefano 1:27:12
The definition of a fulfilled life? Well, talking about this last topic, I think that I fulfill life is when you stop thinking that that you are the only one that has to do everything in the universe, and you realize that you are just a slice of oneness. So everyone is part of you when you when you realize that you have homes everywhere you have friends, everywhere you have food, every day, you have you have fun every day, so many connections every day, because you stop believing that you are alone and You are everything. So I think that fulfilled life is is realizing that, realizing that you are everywhere.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:07
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Matias, what advice would you give him?

Matias De Stefano 1:28:11
Don't be so dramatic. It will pass

Alex Ferrari 1:28:19
Now what advice would little Matias give you?

Matias De Stefano 1:28:21
I think, to keep learning. Keep learning.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:26
All right, how do you define God or Source?

Matias De Stefano 1:28:30
The void the possibility of everything?

Alex Ferrari 1:28:33
What is love?

Matias De Stefano 1:28:36
Is the expansion of space

Alex Ferrari 1:28:40
That's a good answer. And if you had if you could ask God or source one question, what would it be?

Matias De Stefano 1:28:46
Where is the iron that I was looking for and how to put it correctly?

Alex Ferrari 1:28:54
And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life, sir, find harmony, beautiful answer. And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Matias De Stefano 1:29:02
Well, there's a website with my name. I never go into

Alex Ferrari 1:29:06
Someone's someone's running it.

Matias De Stefano 1:29:09
I don't know who it is, but I don't know it is, literally, I have no idea, but I think it's matiasdestefano.org and you have all the links to everything there, but mainly I post everything in Instagram.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:29
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Matias De Stefano 1:29:32
I would just say to remember that we are in the process of evolution, so everything that happens is for you to evolve, and when you have that in mind, even the darkest moments can be something very interesting,

Alex Ferrari 1:29:50
My friend, it is always a pleasure and an honor speaking to you. I love our conversations. Please next time you're in Austin, let me know we have to get you in the studio. And have another deep dive down a rabbit hole, my friend, thank you again. Enjoy your time in Rome. Eat a lot of gelato for me and a lot of pizza for me and and and I hope everything goes well my thank you again for being on the show.

Matias De Stefano 1:31:39
Thank you. Thank you for inviting me.