Alex Ferrari 0:00
The disease of this, I need more and more and more. The consumption of, like, I need more, I need more, I need more. What is happening?

Kyle Cease 0:07
Whatever you think is more important than your soul, if you get too caught in that and you have an awareness like we do, life will knock that out of your hand to get you see that you're okay without it, and all of a sudden you realize you were not only carrying an egoic self that was going to fail, you were also carrying a world. The next thing you got to know is you have to take in the idea of something really crazy. You're just the now, but the ones that I'm worried about are people that eventually it's like actually no, it's good. It's like Tina Turner worried Ike is mad at her. It's like it's good when he's gone, you're gonna be, you'll be more successful.

Alex Ferrari 0:44
It's gonna work out for you too. Yeah, he's not around.

Kyle Cease 0:46
But isn't that story fascinating? And by the way, in my life I have a thing called the I can Tina Turner Test.

Alex Ferrari 1:01
I like to welcome back to the show, returning champion,

Kyle Cease 1:04
Returningist,

Alex Ferrari 1:05
Returningist champion.

Kyle Cease 1:06
A lot of, I'm honored, man.

Alex Ferrari 1:07
Kyle Cease, brother. How you doing, man?

Kyle Cease 1:09
I'm so good, I'm so good, dude.

Alex Ferrari 1:11
It's been, it's been a minute since you've been. I think last time you were here was right before we did the Ascension Conference together,

Kyle Cease 1:17
Dude that was so fun.

Alex Ferrari 1:18
It's, it was, it seems like it was 15 years ago, but it was literally this year.

Kyle Cease 1:23
Time is different, isn't it?

Alex Ferrari 1:24
Time is different.

Kyle Cease 1:26
It's a very different thing,

Alex Ferrari 1:28
Is it because we're old?

Kyle Cease 1:30
Yeah. What if there's no weird universal magic thing? We're just going through midlife crisis constantly, and I'm like, everything's different now. It's like, yeah, you're 48 that's not a weird thing, and it's not, you know, I think about there's a, there's this thing about the Mandela effect.

Alex Ferrari 1:47
Yes, of course,

Kyle Cease 1:48
You know, yeah. And it's so funny because there's a lot of people that believe, and I'm not saying it's not true, I'm really not, but it's like, you know, did you know it used to be Bernstein bears, now it's Bernstein or Bernstein,

Alex Ferrari 2:00
It's never Bernstein. Yeah, Bernstein.

Kyle Cease 2:02
And then, and then there was this one. It was like, did you know Nelson Mandela? Like, people think he died in the 80s, they remember him dying in the 80s.

Alex Ferrari 2:10
I know yeah,

Kyle Cease 2:10
And I'm like, no, he was freed from prison, and they became a president. It was like a funeral procession, and it was like the same thing. And then someone went, did you know Ed McMahon never worked for Publishers Clearinghouse.

Alex Ferrari 2:20
Okay, so that's mine.

Kyle Cease 2:21
Yeah, but he worked for a competitor of it,

Alex Ferrari 2:24
But they never.. but he never.. but the competitor never went door to door.

Kyle Cease 2:28
No, I remember like the videos of him being like, 'I'm giving him a check, but it wasn't the company Publishers Clearinghouse. I just wonder if we're just getting bad memories because it's 40 years ago and we just can't say I don't remember, so we're just.. we'd rather be like, so the universe changed everything, and in that change we still remember the old.. we didn't switch us completely.

Alex Ferrari 2:50
Well, if going down the big

Kyle Cease 2:52
Switch is the Berenstein Bears, that's the big universe is like,

Alex Ferrari 2:56
Okay, let's groom from Ian.. let's let's groomer, let's like, is the Fruity Loom logo have a cornucopia?

Kyle Cease 3:04
Yeah. Now that I've heard this is where we don't know anything now, because I've heard that's the thing I've heard is that's a psyop, that they did change it, and to make us think that, so we all just think we're going nuts. Now, I don't know what's true at all, but you know what the greatest sentence we could say from underwear, yeah, fruit balloons, like we're in no cornucopia,

Alex Ferrari 3:27
We're gonna screw everyone over,

Kyle Cease 3:29
Right! And then you'll just.. there's a teenage girl, I remember, I.. she wouldn't be teenager, I remember

Alex Ferrari 3:34
That would be a

Kyle Cease 3:35
Yeah, she's got to be like 50, okay? So it's a 50 year old if she still had the teenage girl voice, like she just hadn't graduated from that.

Alex Ferrari 3:44
Everybody, this is just a taste of what you're in for every time you encounter.

Kyle Cease 3:48
If you need to start over, we can three, two returning champion.

Alex Ferrari 3:52
Champion Kyle Cease

Kyle Cease 3:53
Kyle Cease is here. I still could be. I'm just saying, I just love that it's so hard for us to say, I don't know.

Alex Ferrari 4:02
Well, the thing is, this: there's when I, when we went, and I didn't like, I had no idea what we were going to talk about in this conversation. I have no notes, no nothing, because that's just the way you and I work.

Kyle Cease 4:11
It'll be better because of that,

Alex Ferrari 4:13
Of course. And that's how you work, for sure. You just show up and just like, whatever comes, comes. But the whole thing with the Mandela effect, and then we'll move on,

Kyle Cease 4:20
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 4:21
Is that there's so many different things that I remember differently, and that I'm not the only one that remembers differently, like in Field of Dreams movie quotes. Yeah, you know, is

Kyle Cease 4:31
Luke, I'm your father,

Alex Ferrari 4:33
Yeah, but it's not Luke, I'm your father,

Kyle Cease 4:34
But in Tommy Boy, Chris Marley says Luke, I'm your father, right? And so I think everyone grabbed, remembered that,

Alex Ferrari 4:42
Alright. So, is it? Is it? If you build it, they will come.

Kyle Cease 4:48
I remember back then. I remember, I do remember vividly back then people quoting it wrong. I remember people saying, if you build it, he will come, as a hilarious. A sexual reference,

Alex Ferrari 5:03
Of course, and we're talking about Field of Dreams, by the way everybody,

Kyle Cease 5:05
Yeah. And so I remember in, like, junior high, people saying that

Alex Ferrari 5:09
If you build

Kyle Cease 5:09
And then you.. I watched the movie, then it was like, "Oh, that's not quite how they said it. So there's a part of me that's like, "Yeah, they started saying it wrong. Ben, and remember,

Alex Ferrari 5:20
Well, I had, I've had multiple conversations with quantum physicists.

Kyle Cease 5:23
Yes, I'm not saying no. I'm not saying no, as a major quantum physics person, just through experience, obviously. I think that it's just it, and I'm so I'm not debunking it as much as just also saying sometimes. Also, do we just remember stuff differently or.

Alex Ferrari 5:40
Okay, so this is a perfect example. I've always, you know, I remember Jiffy peanut butter. Okay,

Kyle Cease 5:45
You mean Jiff?

Alex Ferrari 5:46
Right now it's called that's exactly where I was going with it. I remember there's Skippy, and then there's Jiff, but I, in my memory, remember Jiffy, and there very possibly could have been that I connected Jiff and Skippy together.

Kyle Cease 5:57
That's made, more sense that the universe has put them, those two things together.

Alex Ferrari 6:02
Can I be honest with you? Yeah, it's much cooler if the universe did it.

Kyle Cease 6:05
That's that's the truth.

Alex Ferrari 6:06
I mean, seriously,

Kyle Cease 6:07
Can you name the woman that did the Skippy commercials? Annette Funicello, really? Yeah, in the 80s, I'm sure now we'll watch a thing about that. Is Betty White? It'll go, it'll be Annette Funicelli now, and there they go, oh, you guys argue about that. We'll just go back.

Alex Ferrari 6:22
That the Mandela effect was put out by the government to screw with all of us.

Kyle Cease 6:28
Well, I don't say I think that because I love the sentence. I don't know, it's the most freeing sentence in the world.

Alex Ferrari 6:33
It is, you know what?

Kyle Cease 6:34
And there are people that don't want to say it.

Alex Ferrari 6:37
And I think nowadays people are more concerned about just being showing weakness in any way shape or form, but in my opinion it's not showing weakness, it's showing strength to just go, I don't know. As a filmmaker, when I'm on a set, I get asked 1000 different questions by 1000 different people a day, and sometimes I just go, I don't know,

Kyle Cease 6:56
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 6:56
What do you got?

Kyle Cease 6:57
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 6:58
Because you don't have all the answers for things, and only a strong, it's only the people who are not comfortable within their own skin, or not, or just a little insecure that will have to have to come up with an answer for everything, even though they might not know it. It's much more, it's much stronger for you to just say, I don't know, let's figure it out.

Kyle Cease 7:15
And then, if you go really deep, and that's what I'm so excited to talk about today, as we start to go, so who's the one that needs to look like they know, like who's the one that can't do it wrong, and that's why I'm more and more, as I do this work, I believe almost all of what our I is is a solution to trauma, almost we think it's our personality, like I'm really driven or I'm really introverted or I'm a people pleaser, and from doing the work I've been doing for the last 15 years, and literally somewhere between 12 to 15,001 on ones, I'm starting to see that the I that we create, you know, whatever the story is, and we attach to it, it is not the truth, and when we protect it, we are missing out on the essence of what we are, and the more we connect to the now, you notice the now doesn't like, have like, you know, hard facts, like this is what's against this. In fact, the now is this incredible space that holds space for different perspectives, right? So, like, in the now, a couple could have an argument, and all an argument is, is one person is not seeing the other ones at the same time, they're not seeing your perspective, but even if you're, they're totally wrong, seeing their perspective helps them release it, right? So, it gets freed the second it's seen. So, this is really interesting, because the more you connect to the now, the more you realize you can be a space of possibility and not be so protective of your I know, and the more you're in an I know, the more you're protecting actually trauma that created this character that needs to know, because most people have wounds from parents that had bigger egos from a time when we didn't do this work even more, and there are people that have, like, if I don't know, then I'll be a failure to my dad, if I don't know, then I won't be loved if I don't know, then my mom will abandon me if you know, and then in people a long time ago were taught you have to know stuff, otherwise everything goes to hell. In the new world, I would offer where we're headed, the more you know factually, the less room there is for exploration of going way beyond that,

Alex Ferrari 9:21
And again, through the work I've been doing for the four years now, and talking to so many people in this space, I've kind of realized that this only takes you so far. You've got to be able to feel certain things, and there has to be a yes, there's a knowing

Kyle Cease 9:36
Yes

Alex Ferrari 9:37
That comes in when you feel something. It's so much more powerful than just the intellectual, because to learn the intellectual aspect of things is, I'm gonna say it's easy, but you, but it's, it's limiting, it's a very limiting thing, but when you have a knowing and it's hard to quantify it

Kyle Cease 9:56
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 9:56
It's very difficult to quantify, but you've heard it from near death of experiencers,

Kyle Cease 10:00
Yes.

Alex Ferrari 10:01
Who they are on the other side, and they just go, 'Oh, I just knew.

Kyle Cease 10:03
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 10:03
I just know who that person is. Or I had a past life experience or past life regression, and the second I was in there, I knew who everybody was before I even knew. I couldn't even see their faces. There's elements of that in the mystical and the esoteric that the more you go down into the mystery schools of ancient times, they weren't playing with just words on paper or words on stone, they were, they were playing in a whole other realm, much, I think, much more developed than where we are.

Kyle Cease 10:33
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 10:33
Because to get all of this that we have around us, to get all of the technology and everything, we've had to go so deep into the intellectual in the matter in the world of the matter to be able to do this, I mean, when the last 150 years we've gone farther than the last 6000

Kyle Cease 10:50
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 10:51
8000 10,000 years,

Kyle Cease 10:52
Yeah, it's exponential, which is why I kind of feel like the next year and the year after are like you just said the last 150 years was farther than the 6000 before, imagine if the next two years is just so much more crazy and cutting edge that it beats the last 150 years.

Alex Ferrari 11:08
Well, that's gonna happen. These next 10,

Kyle Cease 11:10
Time feels so different,

Alex Ferrari 11:12
That you know. Let's dive into this, because you're absolutely right. Time has felt, I think, basically from, I think 2012 was kind of the beginning of it,

Kyle Cease 11:21
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 11:21
Which was the shift from the Mayan calendar. 2016 had a big jump, obviously. There was a lot of political issues, things that went along in in that, but then 2020 showed up.

Kyle Cease 11:33
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 11:34
And man, everything just just went, and when I, and I say everything gets ramped up, it's because every year in the, in the 20s, every year has been more intense than the year prior.

Kyle Cease 11:47
Yes.

Alex Ferrari 11:48
No, I don't think anyone can argue this. Every year there's some other new thing, either it's the, you know, what happened in 2020 then there's wars, then there's technology, then there's AI. This year has been a hell of a run, you know, natural disasters and assassination attempts, and all. I mean, it's just been crazy. Something similar to this happened back in the 60s, if you remember the 60s, 68, 69 those years were, I mean, they were, you know, they, JFK, Martin Luther King, Watergate, all it was another, the war, there was another time of just this insane stuff.

Kyle Cease 12:30
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 12:31
And there was a big spiritual, spiritual shift in the 60s, that was the beginning of the flower child, and in the new age movement, in the spiritual spirituality movement, and all that kind of stuff, and then the 70s and the 80s and the 90s all changed. 90s, obviously, peak peak humanity, and you know where that's from. You've heard that term, right? Peak humanity is in the 90s, that's a term that a lot of people have been throwing around lately.

Kyle Cease 12:53
I even heard,

Alex Ferrari 12:54
Yeah, that like we peaked at night in the 90s, that was it. Yeah, like that, it was perfect. It was before the internet, before social media, it was like that was peak time for humanity.

Kyle Cease 13:03
Make sense.

Alex Ferrari 13:03
I found, you know, I just heard it where it came from. It's from The Matrix.

Kyle Cease 13:07
Well, and which came out in the 90s,

Alex Ferrari 13:09
99 and they said The Matrix, the the AI picked that time period, which happened to be when they were making it, but and they called it peak humanity.

Kyle Cease 13:18
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 13:19
And that's where that came from. I thought that was really interesting, as I was just watching the mixtures again, because, yeah, as you should, every, yeah, every few months,

Kyle Cease 13:26
I mean, it's definitely, it's, it's, it almost feels like it was made to help us through this time, like

Alex Ferrari 13:32
It's becoming more relevant,

Kyle Cease 13:33
Yeah, because it's interesting, because when you mentioned 2012 you know that that is a time where I do remember vividly having almost a new timeline, or in other words, before 2012 maybe even 2011 around there things were more linear. You didn't have this kind of like different dimension where you'd make a choice that's not like you, and then that puts you almost on a different path. In other words, the you that was around before would never make the choice that you made around 2010 2011 2012 2013 and the amount of people I know that was like that's when I left that old thing, that's when I quit stand-up comedy and had my awakening too, was in 2011 right? And

Alex Ferrari 14:17
You were prepping,

Kyle Cease 14:18
Yeah, I was, and that was also the beginning of the identification and the split of a false Kyle, and I believe that I believe the more I do this work, and I think that Darryl would agree with this too, I believe a lot that the universe mirrors you, like, like literally, like when I, you know, one time I heard Bashar talking to someone, and then I've been really seeing it this way. There was a guy asking Bashar about conspiracy theories, and Bashar said, 'Nothing will do one thing that will not come through this is the support of fearful theories, and the guy said. What about, like, the Illuminati bankers, and all this stuff, and he goes, he goes, there will be some people that believe in that, that are worried about that, that will see that happen, and there are other people that don't believe in it, or will go to a higher frequency, and I'll never see it. Yep, and so I thought to myself, so that means that, like, if this guy stays worried, there is a world where, like, you and I are dead already, and in our world he's fine, because it's mirroring me now. This might sound like a crazy thing, but I do want to live as if that's the case. In other words, what would the truest, highest me do? And so I feel like there was this weird thing from my perspective where when I leapt out of my old life and started going inward and meditating, and everything like that. It also felt like the world started doing it more and more and more, and the deeper I did it for me felt like the world's doing. I don't mean that narcissistically, like it mirrors me, but you'll notice how many things that, as you see in you, come to light, then the world also exposed, like some under, you'll be like, "Oh, there's a pattern of shame in it. Oh, like, there was a bunch of child trafficking under this thing. Like, everything that's dark is coming to light. And the reason that we have a hard time is not that this stuff is suddenly here, it's that we're seeing it, and our lens is getting bigger because we want to see it, and we've made decisions to say I want the truth of what I am more than I want a result that I can control, more than I want people to like me. That's what my big announcement was on 2020 to myself. I said in a meditation, merge me with my soul, no matter what the cost. And I've had some costs, and I'm finding my soul, I'm finding the costs are only to the ego itself, and you know, so people like I want, I want to merge with my soul, but keep my business the same way, you know.

Alex Ferrari 16:49
But so this, this opens up another area of discussion, which is, and this is something I think we as a society have a problem with, comfort.

Kyle Cease 16:58
Yes, the patterns do.

Alex Ferrari 17:00
Yeah, we need to be comfortable all the time, and this leans into every aspect. So, we have sucked out of our day-to-day life any struggle. Now, with that said, people are like, What are you saying, Alex? I struggle every day. No, no, no, I'm just saying, as a general statement, we want things to be easy, we want things to be convenient, we want things to be comfortable, and we've built all that in. Our ancestors didn't have three meals a day.

Kyle Cease 17:24
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 17:24
We just didn't,

Kyle Cease 17:25
Right!

Alex Ferrari 17:26
We didn't have many of them, did not have, and there are people around the world, obviously, who are still struggling with that, but the Western world, the, the, you know, the not civilized world, but the whatever that the world you and I live in, essentially, whatever that word is, we have sucked out all the struggle, we have sucked out all the adversity, not saying emotional or personal things like that, but generally speaking, you know, if you're listening to this, you're, you probably have three meals a day, probably, you know, again, not for everybody,

Kyle Cease 17:58
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 17:59
But you have a roof over your head, you have a car, you have generally speaking, generally speaking, and there's comfort there, where adversity is what makes us who we are. So, on a spiritual journey, if you study the masters, there's not one of them that just skipped to enlightenment,

Kyle Cease 18:15
Right!

Alex Ferrari 18:16
Every single one of them had major adversities, major challenges, yeah, to overcome to obtain the realization, the self-realization that they were in search for,

Kyle Cease 18:26
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 18:27
Same thing for us now in the physical world, and how we're, you know, we'll talk a little bit about what you've been doing in the physical world as well a little bit later, but but these challenges I'm starting to realize that, you know, now people are, what are they doing ice baths, you know, saunas, heat? They're trying to create, and the younger generations are going out and doing, like, you know, Iron Man and marathons, because they want to physically challenge themselves to do something, because they, they have a lot of comfort in their life,

Kyle Cease 18:56
Right,

Alex Ferrari 18:56
That they don't have to, and the body is not built for that. Yeah, this body, this brain, this this experience is built for adversity, and the only time we ever grow is when we have something to go against. Yeah, you know, to do a challenge that we can overcome. Does any of that make sense to you?

Kyle Cease 19:13
Yeah, well, and I would offer there's two kinds of comfort, there's and there's two kinds of pain. I've discovered there's one pain where you face the thing directly and rip the band aid off, and then go to a new frequency. So, a good example of that, in a general sense, would be something like skydiving, right? If someone actually is, they're scared, they're scared, they're scared, they do it, they go through the big fear, but now they're on the other side, and they're no longer a person that would never skydive. Same with just leaping or moving into your soul or following your heart, right. So, there's one direct pain that you can face, and then major release happens of the part of you that has to die that never did that, right. So, when you're like, if you're someone who has, if you're. Someone who makes this is just to give an example. Let's say you're someone who's always made 20,000 a year. You know, there's a good chance that that's because you have patterns in your body that say, like, my family told me money doesn't grow on trees, I'm not enough, whatever. So the second you finally move towards something that's not like the family or your story, life has to purge that part of you, right, life goes, the part of you that was the family unit dies because you've just killed it by moving to that higher frequency. Did that make sense so far? It does, but the thing that's interesting about that is every aspect of our life there is this, this cyclical version of us,

Alex Ferrari 20:38
And it's there's the obviously the big, the big cycle, which is born, live, death, that's the big one. Yeah, but in the middle of our lives we have little births and deaths almost every day,

Kyle Cease 20:50
Almost every day. I think we would have as much in the times before 2012 by the way, right? Like, there, you know what I mean, you are just aware on yourself as a small linear timeline, and now the only way to move forward is through the death of the false self, which is now becoming time's moving so fast, seemingly because we don't have the timeline that does things predictively, like you. If I say to you, like, what are you going to be doing in April of next year,

Alex Ferrari 21:17
Are you kidding?

Kyle Cease 21:18
You have no idea, but if I said that to a guy in 1985 he would answer it, and so the reason that is, is because the one that thinks in terms of time also is dying. There's an us that holds on to regret, fear, guilt, and shame. That stuff that it's holding on to is from the past.

Alex Ferrari 21:37
Yes,

Kyle Cease 21:37
by holding onto it, you're using time, and often their escape is the future, but we are healing so much because we have to. In other words, we're moving to a time where you, you're either going to addiction yourself into the ground or you're going to face your regret, your guilt, your shame, your fears, because life is saying, hey, that you that lived comfortably isn't you, though. And just because you were able to pull it off in 1997 doesn't mean you can now, right? And so

Alex Ferrari 22:05
But the world doesn't allow you to now.

Kyle Cease 22:07
Well, that's and that's why the other pain is the I'm comfortable, but deep down I hate myself for doing all this comfortable stuff, meaning like you ever wake up and go, did I watch that, you know, like why did I, you know, why did I, why did I eat that last night? Why did I? That's the other pit. So, yes, there's a comfort, but the light is too bright for that comfort to work. Anyone that's watching this right has an awareness that's too high for this comfort to truly be comfortable. In other words,

Alex Ferrari 22:38
What was comfortable before it was comfortable before is not comfortable now,

Kyle Cease 22:41
Right!

Alex Ferrari 22:41
Things, so perfect example is, you know, I have a lovely nostalgic remembrance of the 80s and the 90s.

Kyle Cease 22:51
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 22:51
I'm sure you as well.

Kyle Cease 22:53
Yes, I do not as much as you.

Alex Ferrari 22:54
Yeah, yes, I have a much, yes, yeah, exactly.

Kyle Cease 22:57
I mean, I love the 80s and nine. My most cutting-edge band is Hollow Notes, right? Like, like, currently, like, like I 80s and 90s is

Alex Ferrari 23:07
So, yeah, so I remember I remember working at a video store, obviously, is one of my favorite times of my life. It was very pleasurable, all that stuff, and playing video games nonstop, so you know, when we, when I wanted to, like, you know, I can afford to buy, like, a Street Fighter.

Kyle Cease 23:23
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 23:23
Our case, there's, you know, they're a few 100 bucks now.

Kyle Cease 23:25
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 23:25
And I got one, and I played it,

Kyle Cease 23:28
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 23:29
And I'm like, it doesn't do it for me anymore.

Kyle Cease 23:33
So, if technology has moved from, you know, Super Mario Brothers and Street Fighter to, I can't tell if this is a real YouTube video or not, that's what that's what technology has changed to,

Alex Ferrari 23:44
Right!

Kyle Cease 23:45
Also, our consciousness and our awareness has changed in the exact same way,

Alex Ferrari 23:49
Right!

Kyle Cease 23:50
You are more and more aware every day, there's something in your heart that's calling you that could not reach you before, because you were just the linear thing that was that comfort. So, even though we can grab flipping through Instagram and TikTok, even though we can be comfortable, we have too much awareness that it's not yet, and so you're getting a lot of people working on getting out of it. You'll see people announce, "I'm no longer on social media, I'll go about a week and then be back, but but you're facing the thing and you're going through that first pain of going, I'm gonna release the one that needs the comfort to stay the past story of what I thought I was right. So, the two pains are really a fascinating thing. The one is I'm gonna face the thing.

Alex Ferrari 24:31
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Kyle Cease 24:53
And this is why I realized there's two comforts, too. There's the comfort of I'm in the third density surrounding of. So many different things, I have all my, you know, addictions, and so I'm caught in, you know, one way we also can distract ourselves with comfort is seeking truth externally, meaning like I want to know who the government is, I want to know who got Charlie Kirk, I want to know this, that is not not important, but it's almost like what Zion is in the matrix, and that you are still saying the highest frequency is to find the truth externally. We can need to do that in one way, but you're missing out on the truth of what you are. To me, when we're getting caught in what's the conspiracy, even though there's truth in it, I'm not saying that doesn't need to be seen or brought to light one way or another. It's, it's the equivalent of Neo never learning kung fu, and just staring back in the matrix at how manipulative it is, and being triggered by it, versus learning to fly, right? And so we're missing, we're missing out on our powers by, by grabbing the ego's comfort, but it's killing our souls' comfort, and I find that my soul's comfort is the opposite. In other words, you know that I fasted 11 days, right? I literally had no food for 11 days. My everything changed by day eight, I had lost 20 pounds. My vision came back when I was done with the fast, I had been 100 my testosterone was 617 when I was done, it was 1028 I was in a comfort of literally doing nothing, that I literally did nothing. That's all I.. all you have to.. it's weird how much all you have to do is nothing, whether it's meditate, just fast, is like you can, you know, put your diet together and go to the gym every day, or literally do nothing, and 11 days later everything changes so much more than if you had gone to a CrossFit daily and done all this stuff, and so there's a way the ego is trying to get to ultimate health, but the way that my fast was so fascinating and worked so well was because I said the reason the intention that I had behind it was I want to get closer to God. It wasn't to get fitter, it wasn't to get healthier, and all these blindsiding results happened that I wasn't planning on. So I was comfortable in just that I wasn't participating in the egoic construct of the ego's comfort, and I had moments where my ego would kick in and go, I really want food, but I wasn't hungry, it was like an emotion wanted, yeah, and it was like my childhood wanted food, and I felt safer with my family in a restaurant, and that wanted food, and then I would just sit and listen and listen, and he died, I mean, I watched him come up, come up, and then I cried him out, like, like a child, like he just came out, and I just felt this power, because now my intention to connect to God was more powerful

Alex Ferrari 27:46
Than that cheeseburger,

Kyle Cease 27:47
Then the pat, then the cheeseburger, but what the cheese we don't want the cheeseburger as much as what it means, especially if we're nostalgic, like in the 80s, McDonald's was less scary than it was now, and the, you know, and you just went there, and you weren't checking out seed oils and stuff, and you were, you were really like, just how much there wasn't formaldehyde, and yeah, exactly. And so now, when I, my number one intention really is to connect with God, and I find myself having this other comfort, which is just like, I'm fine as is, I'm all I am, just love, and we, so there's the comfort of the control, which is the control is ego, like the ego is not you, and there's a lot of people that hear my content, well, they fight for the ego, the ego still matters, and we wouldn't have things built, but it's like you can give some power to the ego, but give way more power to this space, because I wake up, I listen to silence for quite a while, and this space will start to bring up the egoic pattern, and if I don't feed it, it dies, and so I can feed it and have a temporary comfort that later I'm full of regret that I have, or I cannot feed it, and it permanently falls out. I'm not saying there's not more, but all of a sudden I find there's just a comfort in my existence versus my, you know, that I'm that I'm watching a movie, and

Alex Ferrari 29:11
Let me ask you, regards to fasting, and now I want to try to, I want to try to get into this a little bit more in the spiritual side of things. Sure, you know, fasting has gone through, I mean, it's in the Vedic world and the Hindu world, I mean, fasting is it's part of, you know, all the masters fasted, whether because they had to, because they had no food at the time, or they actually did it on purpose, Buddha was a very big, obviously example of that, of the fasting, to my understanding, and this is the way I'm seeing fasting on a spiritual standpoint. When you fast, the amount what you put in your body is very important, the kind of food you put in, because there's a frequency to the kind of food you put in your body, regardless of what that is. I'm not, and I'm not trying to get into meat or not meat, or any of that, that's irrelevant. Love to do that. Yeah, it's up.

Kyle Cease 30:01
I'm not saying be vegan, I'm not saying,

Alex Ferrari 30:03
Yeah, I don't care. I don't care. You want it, you know? You know, whatever you want to do, you want to do. But there is a frequency attached to food. When you remove food completely, it quiets the body,

Kyle Cease 30:14
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 30:15
Completely. Because now it's not working, because normally when you eat three meals a day, your digestive system is working nonstop, basically all the time, you barely have a moment to rest, only when you sleep, and even then it's still, if you have a late dinner or something like that, it's gone for hours, so you never give it a time. So I've done fastest before, I've done juice fastest, I've done a month of juice fasting before, and I've done weeks and things like that back in the decade ago, and I remember what my body felt like. So, as you start to, when you do the fast, I feel that the frequency in your body changes.

Kyle Cease 30:51
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 30:51
The frequency in your body changes.

Alex Ferrari 30:53
Yes, because you

Kyle Cease 30:54
The trauma leaves, literal trauma.

Alex Ferrari 30:56
There's a lot of things that, because of the quiet, it's again going back to the quiet. Yeah, when you could get, when you quiet the system down, and it's not, by the way, it's not that the body stops working, right? If anything, it kicks in, yeah, 1000 other things, which

Kyle Cease 31:10
Kicks in ketones, it kicks in your immune system, it starts to bring the HGH. It's like it starts

Alex Ferrari 31:15
Hormones, all this amazing, crazy, it's amazing what it's

Kyle Cease 31:19
Literally like God saying just stop interrupting me, just stop, like

Alex Ferrari 31:23
We built, yeah, we've, we've built the perfect machine,

Kyle Cease 31:28
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 31:28
Stop messing with it,

Kyle Cease 31:30
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 31:30
Let us do what we're doing. So my point is that the frequency starts to open up to change when you start to, and then let's say you're fasting and meditating, yeah, actually doing a spiritual practice of some sort. Your frequency starts to rise,

Kyle Cease 31:45
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 31:45
To a certain extent. When you start to write, and I want to hear what you think about this. When your frequency rises, just like a radio station, you're going to start picking up things that, yes, it was not on that band before. You're on 96.5 before you are 93.2

Kyle Cease 31:58
Yes, and you can't get anything higher than that high, like it's the high, so really take in this idea that I was saying earlier about that the you that you think you are, that what you call you, like whatever you think you need in a relationship, whatever your your goals are, dreams. I want to offer this idea that that idea that you think of as you is the flip side of a coin, that the other side of a coin is a dark trauma, like for instance, I'm a huge achiever, it could be what someone says, because I can't be a failure when I was five,

Alex Ferrari 32:31
Obviously,

Kyle Cease 32:32
And if you, if a person felt they failed when they were five, they got spanked, whatever, they're literally their body goes into trauma and goes, we have to create a character, right, that that can come up with a solution. So, imagine that when you have, like, a parent walk out and you're just traumatized from it, you get yelled at, someone tells you, you know, people tell you there's hell when you die, these kind of things, right? Make, make a person feel trauma, and the kid, as a child, can't process that trauma, so the kid, what the kid does is creates a character that we then call I, that whatever it is that was scary, so I'm going to become a people pleaser. Oh, you know, I was spanked, so I'm going to feel the room and become what we call it as an empath, and then people that are empaths, they think that they're there for others, but you're actually in service to protection of self by being there for others as a preventative from getting spanked again when you were five. The reason I bring this up is because that five year old is what's running most of our lives, it's running your relationships, your business, absolutely, and we call that I, and so the most that five year old from 1982 can do is nothing compared to what the actual you that's here can do, and so most of us create an identity out of don't hurt me again, because and when I find when I meditate long enough, or when I fast, I'm creating a field that's so big that the universe goes, now I can show you that wound that I couldn't show you when you were five,

Alex Ferrari 34:04
Because you're too busy,

Kyle Cease 34:05
And, and you're too well, you were too busy, and your solution actually was successful. Like, there were two times my dad spanked me, and it was really bad, and that changed me. And my dad's number one love language I felt was watching stand-up comedy. Yeah, so I became a comic. I thought that was my childhood dream, but I actually wonder if that was me protecting myself from getting hurt or having dad at least pay attention to me. Now think about that. I'm thinking it's my dream, and then I had a successful 20s and early 30s as a comic, so it served a purpose, but it served a purpose to a point, and eventually there's a part of me that goes, I want to know more of the truth of what I am, so I had to leave that thing. If I kept the comedy, I'm also keeping the trauma that made me the comic, right,

Alex Ferrari 34:57
But Kyle, the thing is, for you to leave. You've, I mean, I want people to really understand what you've done. You did, you had an extremely successful stand-up career. You were on your way to being, you know, you know, a household name in many ways. You were in movies, you had, you know, number one comedy specials. Yeah, you were on your road, and both you and I have a lot of friends who are comics, so I understand the mind of a comic, which is terrifying.

Kyle Cease 35:23
Yeah, well, it's been healed.

Alex Ferrari 35:27
You're good, you're good now.

Kyle Cease 35:28
It's healing a lot

Alex Ferrari 35:29
But you walked away, and everybody in the business thought you were insane. Yeah, everybody thought you were gonna just like, what is he doing?

Kyle Cease 35:36
Yeah, well, I was also going through a thing where I had at one point the next phase of my life was wanting everyone in the world to know about Tony Robbins, and wanting everyone to know about their achievement and possibility, and I went, you know, from an anxiety that was so horrible to number one special, so the highest I knew was I want to tell other people they can do this. The downside to this was I was suddenly this positive guy doing spiritual stuff in a field of people who are cynical for a living. Yes, and so I didn't know that people would be like, that's are you a cult leader, are you a Scientologist, what is this? And all of a sudden my friends that were my peers were mad at me, or you know, thinking I'm crazy, and know the feeling, and it was, and I realized later that was the next phase of my spiritual journey. In order to get to the next phase, I had to release control of what people thought of me, and that was really huge, because I noticed the one who tries to control what people think of me is me at five, it's me trying to manage my mom's opinion of me, or to look good to my dad, or because in my pattern, if I'm not successful as a stand-up comic, I'm gonna get bullied in high school or beaten by my dad, you know, like, so my patterns are the ones that are keeping the career alive, and instead of me keeping the career alive, so I don't have to face these things, I'd rather just heal the wounds and hear what God wants for me from a higher frequency. So, I noticed at one point that I was feeling not seen by those comics, and also at the same time feeling there's something higher that's bigger for me, and I don't mean it like comics are not as big or something. There's tons of comics that I worked with that I'm so inspired by and proud of that I knew very well, but now I'm in this place where I just, it doesn't call to me to go into a comedy club and perform for a drunk audience nearly as much as to like hear what's coming through me, and the number one intention I have on this planet is to know what I truly am, not know what I am good at, not know what I can get views for, not know what I do, not what am I, and so that's making me not ask what do I do, but what's here, and I'm okay sacrificing, yeah, maybe I didn't have that career, but I felt my soul didn't want it, and just because something looks good to everybody else, or just because at one point it was my dream career, doesn't mean it's always going to be like you can truly listen to your soul and even outlive your dream, and like out and have a new dream follow, absolutely, and it starts to be not even a dream, like my dream isn't what's the next career. My dream is like, what do you want to tell me right now? Like, how? What a weird concept to what if I could feel good in my soul, no matter what I do. You know,

Alex Ferrari 38:33
Stop it.

Kyle Cease 38:33
Isn't that weird?

Alex Ferrari 38:34
Stop it.

Kyle Cease 38:35
Like, what if you know, like,

Alex Ferrari 38:36
Are you a cult leader? Are you in Scientology?

Kyle Cease 38:37
There's times where I'm like, I find my heart wants to be like, like, just for my soul, like it was. I'd love to just have a regular job, like I wouldn't have to even hold space for or do all this, like I could just like go shovel bricks somewhere, shovel bricks, see how bad I'd be at it. I like, I'd move bricks and shovel dirt, but I found it, like, be like, I bet I'd have like eight hours a day just moving my body, hearing my heart, like

Alex Ferrari 39:03
I promise you, sir, you're gonna feel it.

Kyle Cease 39:04
Yeah, I'm not saying that's it. I'm just saying here first, whatever after, like I'm not defined by what I do, and I think one thing that really hurts people is they're defined by their money or their lack of it, their victim story, their achiever, what they do, how many views they have, how many views they don't have, what people think of them, like if you are what people think of you, then then you're screwed, because that person likes you and that person hates you. So, what do I just be like, hey, I'm great, now I'm terrible because you're in the room, like there's, there's, it's, it's one of the things about the ego that's so amazing is it makes no logical sense, if all you have to do is just get closer to it and look at it, and it's caught, like for instance, there's people that have a pain in their body that they're not enough, you know what I asked them, I asked the ego, okay, just so we know and can get this person to enough, what do you define. Enough, and the ego has to stay vague. It can't answer, because the ego's basis is on that you're not enough, and the ego only thrives on making you enough. But if you finally get enough, then the ego dies, so it has to keep making not enough be the thing you are. But if a person says, I have this deep pain that I'm not enough, I will say, okay, so just so we know to the ego, when is she enough? Right, is it when she hits a million dollars? When dad says that it'll never give you an answer,

Alex Ferrari 40:28
Is the Oscar.

Kyle Cease 40:29
Yeah, the ego isn't based on any reality, and so the ego loves to complicate things. It loves to say you will be enough when you have this, but it has to base everything on you're still not. And then when you get this, you will be, and then you get it, but the ego's like, well, I can't die. I'd rather listen to the now, and this thing that has to sabotage everything, so it can overcome it. I'd rather it die, right? I would rather just become okay with what I am, no matter what I'm doing, no matter how famous or not famous, how good I am at something or not, because we are basing our life on starting off that I'm not enough or that I can achieve, so that I can achieve, and I had an incident happen to me, I told you about in another room, I had an incident happen to me about a week ago that really helped me heal something. I was on my way to a friend of mine, JP, JP Sears. I was going to his house to shoot a sketch, and I'm in a turn lane. There's two lanes here on the highway, two lanes here, right? I'm about to turn left, and in the oncoming turn in my turn lane, right, is a guy coming this way, he's passing a semi, so it's a giant Bronco going like 110 miles an hour, he's not looking forward, he's looking at the truck, and I see this thing is coming straight at me, and I'm driving forward, I had to merge into the back into the other lane to get out of this guy's way, he almost clipped me, I turn left and I drive into JP's house and I sit in the driveway and I just had this moment like that was so that my whole life almost ended and I sat there and I just felt for a second and all of a sudden the space started showing me people that I know hearing that I died, it started showing me, like my daughter, my wife, my daughter's mom,

Alex Ferrari 42:28
Got a life review,

Kyle Cease 42:29
And this was the weirdest thing, and I don't want this to sound egoic, but it helped remove something in me that was the opposite of this. I noticed in the.. I'll probably be emotional with this, but I noticed that people cared, and they would be sad if I was gone, and there was this bizarre, like, revelation that just went through, like, my best friend Justin and JP finding out, and everybody, and you, and I was just like feeling they cared, and what's weird is with our ego we have a lie in our body that is I will be enough when I achieve something, I will be enough when I make the money, and it's predicated on because no one cares about me now, and there is a dark tunnel in our bodies, and I will say, especially for men, right now too, I'm not saying women don't have it too, but men have this other world of they are what they achieve, so when they get that outcome, that that's that's there, but on a higher conscious level level, it's still an addiction that covers up the pain inside, and men also have the shadow of, you know, man up, don't feel your feelings, and so there's like this almost required to be successful dark shadow that we can't really talk about, that just feels like, who cares if I die, other than they get the money, or other than this thing they care about, that, but they don't care about me, you know, that's just in it's not blame to anybody, it's just in order to achieve, I have to be a joke here first, right, and I felt that wash away when I felt there would be people that really cared, and it was in a way humbling because the same voice that says no one would care. Also, has to think I'm the best in the world because of my performance versus that I exist, and so the ego that thinks I'm better than everyone, I have to be look at me because of my fame, or how many views do I have, or do people like me, or I make this money has the shadow, but also compares and thinks it's better than, and when I saw that, oh my gosh, like people would really care if I died, like I think there would be people think it's like it's weird.

Alex Ferrari 44:49
I hate to tell these people, since there would be a few people that character.

Kyle Cease 44:52
Well, you know what's really embarrassing to say is there's a thing in my heart that very often doesn't feel that, and I know. When I work with my friends and my clients and my world, that we all have that thing, that like, like I'm worthless because the world is so based on achievement and what's happening outside, comparison, social media, what people think that there is a worthless thing, and then that's covered up with what I can do, but your worthiness is your existence. I don't mean to sound too much like Bashar, but your worthiness is that you exist, and it's such an F you to God to say I'm worth something when I achieve, even I have to find my purpose is such a weird sentence, because we forget that our hard moments were on purpose, like when you fell off and you hit a low, was on purpose, it re-steered you, we reawoke you. So I now believe I'm always on purpose, and even, even when I do something that's a distracting comfort, I'll learn from it and be like, oh, I hate that I did that, or if I do something too egoic, it re, it readjust you,

Alex Ferrari 46:00
Isn't it amazing that you start looking at, you know, you never see a tree deal with this, never see an animal deal with, like,

Kyle Cease 46:08
If it had social media, Netflix, it would,

Alex Ferrari 46:11
I mean, it's just, I mean, like, am I the good tree? Am I, but I'm not a Sequoia,

Kyle Cease 46:16
Yeah, but imagine if every tree was raised by tree parents that are like, you better be a doctor or a lawyer and screw your dreams, and you know what I mean, like no, or just abandoned you. They just abandoned you, sucking at making apples, and your apples would be sour. Yeah, they'd be terrible, and you're sitting there. Do they like apples? Am I more of a pear? My,

Alex Ferrari 46:34
Is my more of a pear tree?

Alex Ferrari 46:36
Yeah, like,

Kyle Cease 46:37
Like all of that egoic stuff.

Alex Ferrari 46:39
What I really want to be as an avocado tree, right?

Kyle Cease 46:42
That's going to be my dream. And it's like to rebel against your parents who told you you better be an apple tree, right? Like it's just.. and this whole should world is the lie. And I believe as we go into 2026 that's going to fall out.

Alex Ferrari 46:57
Yeah, I think

Kyle Cease 46:58
That's going to be really loud and die.

Alex Ferrari 46:59
I think that we're, I think we're going through, we're going through such a shift in humanity right now. Yeah, such a massive

Kyle Cease 47:07
Every day, like tomorrow this will feel like a year ago.

Alex Ferrari 47:11
It's, it's, it's crazy. I mean, it was just yesterday, 2020 started, just yesterday, just yesterday, 2020 started, and I just, it just, man, it took off like a freight train.

Kyle Cease 47:24
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 47:24
And has not let up.

Kyle Cease 47:27
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 47:27
I wanted to ask you before we continue into the 20. I want to hear your thoughts on 2020 Yeah, sure. You were talking about enough, and that is a very powerful idea.

Kyle Cease 47:39
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 47:39
The power, the power of enough.

Kyle Cease 47:41
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 47:42
Because most of us, especially in the West, want more and more and more, right? Hence, why our planet is turning into what it's turning into. Corporations are doing what they're doing, but specifically, I wanted to hear your thoughts on, you know, we have more billionaires, and in our lifetime we will have a trillion,

Kyle Cease 48:01
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 48:02
In our lifetime, which sounds insane.

Kyle Cease 48:04
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 48:05
Elon's halfway there,

Kyle Cease 48:06
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 48:08
What do you think is happening? Because that's a disease,

Kyle Cease 48:11
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 48:12
There's because when you have a billion dollars, let's just say you and me each have a billion dollars, that's more money than a human being, an average human being can spend,

Kyle Cease 48:21
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 48:22
In multiple lifetimes,

Kyle Cease 48:24
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 48:24
I mean, generational wealth. That's why I love the story of J.K. Rowling. She keeps giving, going on the Forbes list and coming off the, because she just keeps giving it away.

Kyle Cease 48:35
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 48:35
She's like the first person to drop down. I was a billionaire, but now I don't want to be in a billionaire, because she's like, hey, you know, she was on welfare, living in a car when she was writing Harry Potter, so she kind of has an understanding of what the realities of things are. So she's like, I don't need $2 billion I'll give a billion away,

Kyle Cease 48:52
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 48:52
So, but I'm curious about the disease of this, I need more and more and more, the consumption of, like, I need more, I need more, I need more. What is happening?

Kyle Cease 49:01
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 49:02
To not only individuals, because there are obviously some very famous billionaires out there who just keep wanting more and wanting more and wanting more and wanting more, as opposed to just like what, like perfect example. And I don't want to go too deep into this, but what's happening with Warner Brothers right now?

Alex Ferrari 49:19
Warner Brothers

Kyle Cease 49:20
I don't know about that,

Alex Ferrari 49:20
So Warner Brothers is Netflix. Netflix is buying Warner Brothers, but then Paramount, the Ellisons, who are billionaires, are doing a hostile, trying to do a hostile takeover of Warner Brothers, and I'm going, what's what's wrong with you? People like, it's just more, I need more, I need more, I need more constantly.

Kyle Cease 49:38
Well, you know,

Alex Ferrari 49:38
I don't understand.

Kyle Cease 49:39
Well, one of the things is it's not truly the highest, but it's so rewarded that they don't hit the wall, meaning like if you're a billionaire and you're in your - a lot of them grew up in worlds that weren't checked, too, meaning like you and I, if we go off course, life corrects you and makes you look at yourself and humbles you, if you're grown and. These people that are born to parents that were in these kind of other secret worlds and different things like that,

Alex Ferrari 50:06
Yeah, but many of them, but many of them, like, you know, well,

Kyle Cease 50:09
Even separate from that, when you, when, if you're, if you're able to keep the good thing coming in that fills that thing,

Alex Ferrari 50:17
Why do you want to stop?

Kyle Cease 50:18
Then you're not having any reason to look at yourself, you know. You don't hit a wall, you don't have to go inward and go, "Is money the only thing? And it's not until that thing gets hit that we finally look at the boy inside. I mean, millionaires eventually, some, not all, go to a Buddhist monk for advice. Yes, but the reverse never happens, right? There's no Buddhist monk going, 'I just need the Lamborghini. And how do I.. how do I eight figure.. like there's none of that. How can I grind? And I'm enjoying that. That's funny, because it's like that's not..

Alex Ferrari 50:58
It's insane. So that's actually really, it's really profound.

Kyle Cease 51:02
Yeah, there's no Eckhart like you'd more. It's like now, not later. It's just.. and so we're here. I'm seeking the highest truth, and I would give up everything for it, right? Because it's more rewarding. Like, I did say, "Merge me with my soul, no matter what the cost, and I want my soul, and it's better, and people go, How could you do that? What about this, and this, and this, and I say, You don't get what your soul can do, like you don't get how miraculous, worth it, like life will take care of those issues when you are merged with your soul, and the ones that are the billionaires, often there's no leverage to ask for that, because there's just a constant, if you're going to Vegas and you hit a slot machine that keeps paying out, you're not going to walk away from it. It's when you finally start losing the next morning that you go, "I got to do something with my life, and you leave the casino.

Alex Ferrari 51:53
But that's the adversity we were talking about before, that was the thing that leaves you a comfort, because when the money keeps coming in, it's comfortable. Yeah, it's like boom, boom, boom,

Kyle Cease 52:00
So then wouldn't the low the next day be on purpose too, for a person? In other words, people think their purpose is to, you know, make as much money as possible, impact people with that money, but sometimes life will throw a curve ball and go, you're hitting a slot machine that's losing now, now you're going to go through being that person that sits and lives at the slot machine for a good month and loses all your money, because I need you to hit a wall, because your soul asks for deeper, and some of those billionaires, their soul maybe does, does later in time, maybe their soul will hit something, but right now their soul isn't asking for deeper, it's asking for more, and that's the journey they're on, people like you and I, and anyone listening to something like let all those wouldn't listen to this. In fact,

Alex Ferrari 52:44
Oh,

Kyle Cease 52:44
Probably my most triggered audience is is millionaire men. When I say you're just the now, the guy that's like, I got 10 Porsches in the garage, f you, I earned that, I want to be my accomplishment. And I'm like, yeah, you're just now. Now is more profound than all you've achieved, but most people are like, no, I am, I am this doctorate, I am this eight figures, I am the money, f you for saying I'm the now. I want to know how I can get more. I'm going to listen to the speakers that teach me how to get more and more and more. That's fine. At one point, if your soul wants it, if your soul was meant to, you'll hit a wall and you'll be so happy later you did. You have to learn stuff on the way, and it's going to be the death of the wounded you that needed to get more, but, but this is why it's funny to say, my purpose is this, because sometimes life will go, I'm going to throw you off this, because I have a higher purpose for you, so I find I'm always on purpose, whether I'm talking to you on a big stage, I'm peeing, I'm on, you know, a date with my wife, lying down on the couch. It's, it's funny to be like, your purpose is only this grandiose thing, or how you measure that you've impacted the world that way. But I think of everything as purpose, every dark time, every fall apart with a friend, everything was right, and and it's, it's so right that it almost feels like everything I've ever gone through almost feels scripted, and that's why I even question a lot of people would challenge this, and I just go even farther with it. I even wonder if there's free will. I know that we make free will decisions, but something in our awareness made us choose that decision.

Alex Ferrari 54:16
So, if I may quote the Oracle,

Kyle Cease 54:19
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 54:20
In the Matrix,

Kyle Cease 54:21
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 54:22
This exact thing's like free will,

Kyle Cease 54:24
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 54:25
It's like, do you want, do you want this piece of candy?

Kyle Cease 54:28
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 54:28
The oracle class,

Kyle Cease 54:29
Yes.

Alex Ferrari 54:30
He's like, well, if you're an oracle, you should know. He goes, all I know. He's like, but what's really gonna scramble your brain is, you've already made the decision,

Kyle Cease 54:41
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 54:41
That's already been done,

Kyle Cease 54:42
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 54:43
You're here to figure out why,

Kyle Cease 54:44
Yeah, yes,

Alex Ferrari 54:46
That is such a profound idea,

Kyle Cease 54:48
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 54:48
Because and then you start pulling back to a bird's eye view of our soul and our journey in our life, if you do have a blueprint, a soul blueprint, if you are on the other side going in this life, I'm going. To be a stand-up comic, I'm going to be born to this, these parents who are going to make me want to become a stand-up comic, because I got to go through all of that. Yeah, I'm going to become famous, but then I'm going to reject all of that, and I'm going to go down the spiritual path. Then I'm going to fasten and talk to this guy named Alex. All of that, right? We're here not to figure out there is free will. There's no question, there's a version. I mean, how you get to point, I can get up and do whatever the hell I want, right?

Kyle Cease 55:21
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 55:22
There is free will, but there are, and I always say this, mile markers in our life, and how we get to those mile markers is up to us. But there are mile markers that we lay down, so we're here to figure out,

Kyle Cease 55:33
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 55:33
Why did we put those mile markers there? Why are we choosing to put our soul through this?

Kyle Cease 55:38
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 55:39
And if you start thinking about your life that way, yeah. Holy,

Kyle Cease 55:42
You know a way that I actually see it. This is crazy. I want you to picture that there's a higher me floating above this me, right? Or higher

Alex Ferrari 55:52
That would be the higher self,

Kyle Cease 55:53
And he's going, he's going, Kyle, I'm here. Yes. And then Kyle gets caught in, oh, my stand-up comedy is really successful right now he's like, "Oh, he's shoot, he's all excited about that, he's not paying attention to me. And then, like, the Kyle is all egoic and going, like, "Oh, I

Alex Ferrari 56:08
Don't know who I am?

Kyle Cease 56:09
Comedy,

Alex Ferrari 56:10
Don't you know who I am?

Kyle Cease 56:11
And this Kyle above is going, "Kyle, do you not hear? And it's like, "Okay, screw up his comedy career, make him want to quit it, right? And then I get over here, and then I'm like, okay, now I'm a spiritual speaker, and I have this stuff, but then let's say I get caught in the identity of being a spiritual speaker, and I'm like, I got more views, and I'm doing so great, and look at me as a spiritual, I'm so great, I'm a spiritual, Kyle's like, ah, screw up his spiritual career, right, and then you go, oh, I get in a relationship, oh, I'm seen by the woman, she's so great, I'm finally seen, and this Kyle's above going, he's not paying attention to me now, she's the answer to everything, and he's making her his god, sabotage that relationship, right, and everything is me getting closer to the real me versus the pattern that has to, to make sure my dad isn't mad at me, or that my, you know, and so like life keeps throwing us off course from what our ego wanted, and then we got a course correct, and we get closer to it. So, if you picture there's an Alex above you going like that, it goes throw off the thing, give him an accident. Okay, Kyle's not paying attention, he's more excited about shooting a sketch than his life. Make a car almost hit him, you know what I'm saying? Like, send it, send in the Bronco, and then okay, he's, he's now more, and okay, he's gonna spend the next week crying out of gratitude. Cool, that dark wound that has to achieve is out. This is how I'm a little bit seeing life, I'm getting closer and closer to the real me, and that connection is more profound and more important to me than making a certain politician your god, making an outcome your god, making money your god, whatever you think is more important than your soul. If you get too caught in that and you have an awareness like we do, life will knock that out of your hand to get you see that you're okay without it. If you think money is the answer to everything and you have something in you that wants to do this thing for real, like we're on this planet to get to the truth of what we are. I'm not here to make the most money, I'm here to, you know, what I mean, get to what I am. Life will go, oh, you're caught in that egoic thing, I'm gonna knock it out of you. Now, the people that are, you're talking about, like that, are the trillionaires and stuff like that, that are that keep going. I don't know that they're there. They were asking for that. They might have been like, I'm at a consciousness where I want to experience being a trillionaire, and so life's like, okay, that's yours. I feel like someone like you or I. I did. You ever hear the study that was out recently that's really profound to me, they did a thing. I think I told you about this before. They took mice and they made a cherry blossom scent, and when the mice smelled it, they shocked the mice, right? They did it again. Cherry blossom smet the mic. They did this over and over until the mice were Pavlov's dog condition. To the scent equals this. Those mice had kids. They didn't shock the kids, but they put the scent out. The kids got scared. They did those ones had kids. These ones didn't get shocked, made the scent. The grandchildren got scared. Five generations, I believe.

Alex Ferrari 59:18
So that's ancestral trauma.

Kyle Cease 59:21
So this is what I only.. that I see this. Imagine some people might say we're incarnated, whatever it is. I totally honor that. I think the reason the world feels heavy to some people is not because you were reincarnated from a harder thing. I think many of us came here from just light, and this was the heaviest planet ever, and we're exhausted because it's got so much going on, like I have people that are like, I'm so heart tired of this world, I think I was reincarnated and I believe I was witch burned, and I'm like, no, then this would be like the Ritz, if you were rich, which burned, I think you came here from a light, now what if what if I think about my ancestors and just the world before a lot. Long time ago, when we're talking Great Depression, slavery, Vikings, whatever it is, right,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:04
Was a little tougher

Kyle Cease 1:00:05
And it's going down the line, and I see this is happening, and you and I go, okay, I'm going to be the light worker for all the traumas that my parents didn't lightwork from their ancestors before, and so, how am I going to do that? I'm going to take on my dad's pain.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:23
Yep,

Kyle Cease 1:00:23
And I'm going to hold the wounds that he had, and then as I get older, I'm going to alchemize them, right? So that my daughter and future generations don't have to go do this, correct? So that's so when people are like, what's my purpose? I really feel that if they're someone that would follow our content, you're a light worker, you're here to alchemize pain and move healing to go, you know, to make frequencies different, so you know it's so funny. My wife, Amber, and I, and my daughter Vivi, sometimes we will go to concerts of enormous 1970s band bands. My, my eight year old daughter has seen the Eagles, Earth, Wind and Fire, and Heart, and Indigo Girls, Melissa Etheridge, and my wife, and I also the ELO, and I'll tell you something really, really, really weird. We get about seven eight songs in, and we're exhausted, and the room is full of 70s and 80 year olds

Alex Ferrari 1:01:20
Who are losing their minds

Kyle Cease 1:01:21
That are fine. How come my wife and I in our 40s are more exhausted than the people in their 70s and 80s? I believe it's because people like she and I are here transcending the unconscious crap that our parents didn't transcend, all the guilt and shame that my dad felt, he didn't go to anyone and bring it to light. He didn't heal it. He kind of distracted himself with the TV a lot, and his work. My mom didn't go to therapy and do the inner healing work, right? She, I love my mom. I miss both my parents. My dad passed away three months ago, actually, and I am here taking that pain that they had, and like actually alchemizing it and changing it, so I don't pass the crap that I had to hold to my daughter, and I believe that's partly why the room could be full of 70 and 80 year olds loving every song of the Eagles till the end of the concert at 11, they're getting drunk, they're fine, that's because a lot of those people aren't doing any inner work on the traumas in their body, they're just, they're just drinking, distracting, and going. My wife and I are exhausted because we're healing ourselves of the wounds that we collected from the earlier linear lines. Right, so I find that the more unconscious you are, the more you can handle this life, like, and be up late and do whatever, because you're not facing your traumas, you're not light work, you're not doing the work. Yeah, and us people that are doing the work, I'm like, oh God, I just cried this thing out, like,

Alex Ferrari 1:02:54
Oh God, don't get me started, bro,

Kyle Cease 1:02:55
We did an event this weekend called Out with the Old, In with the Now, and the premise of the event, and it's now a video that we're offering people that I'm so proud of, but one of the things we did is we're meditating. How we meditate, we hold the stuff. I noticed that when I meditate, man, it'll be like some dark stuff comes up, some pain. I don't know what it is, but the longer I meditate, the more it finally starts to reveal itself. All this pain comes up, pain comes up. Yesterday, I had a flash I'd never seen before. I'm meditating, I go about an hour and a half with the audience, right, and I'm just meditating. I get a flash out of nowhere, it shows me a very clear vision of me homeless, and I'm like, I've never had that fear, I've never.. I have no idea why that's here, but I then told my wife about it. My wife, Amber, I told her, and I just said, I have this thing that I feel like this thing show up, and it showed me me homeless. And then I said, and how humiliating that would be to be homeless in front of you, and then I started crying, and I had this subconscious thing, and I was like, I don't know if this is from a great grandparent that was homeless, I don't know if it's an egoic construct that had me on a linear timeline where I was going to be homeless in the future, but I just healed it, did that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 1:04:19
Like, yeah, or it could be a past life,

Kyle Cease 1:04:20
Or it could be a past life, or could be a fear that was so deep in there I never knew it was there, but I cried it out, I released it, and then guess what, I finished the event, and I was so tired. Why? Because I just let go of a ton of bags that my energy field had been holding for 48 years, so that is exhausting to keep dying. It's like every day people that are light workers are giving birth over and over again. We're just going into labor. A woman who gives labor, she's tired the next day, right? And so people are like, why am I so tired all the way? You'll notice it's mainly conscious people that ask that. It's because you're literally dying over and over and over again to your truer self, and our body is just full of a bunch of false patterns that, if we get in the now, will come to light and dissolve and disintegrate, and then you get people are like, anymore, that's correct, when you did know who you were, it was a lie. That was the close of the false self. Just because it's unfamiliar doesn't mean it's not you. Like, more and more, why get closer and closer to I don't know who I am, which means I'm actually who I really am.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:33
So, if you look back, I mean, you, we were talking, wasn't that awesome? It was amazing. It was amazing when we were talking earlier, before we started recording, you were talking about looking back at your different person who you used to be, and you know, I look back at who I was last year,

Kyle Cease 1:05:50
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:51
Last six months ago, yeah, even, yeah, but you really go back and you look 20 years, it's like I haven't gone to a high school reunion because I just nine client to do so, but I imagine that if I did go back, you'd see some of those people, I'm like, "Oh my god, they haven't changed.

Kyle Cease 1:06:09
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:06:10
They're the same human being.

Kyle Cease 1:06:12
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:06:12
They're acting the same way, they're doing the same things. Where I look back at myself, like I said, six months ago, a year ago, five years ago, completely.. I don't even recognize that I don't.. I just don't recognize him. And we're constantly being pushed forward, yes, by what we're dealing with on a daily basis. It's.. yeah, it's.. it's fascinating to see, but when you find someone that you meet every once in a while, you'll meet someone from your past, and you go, man, you really haven't changed.

Kyle Cease 1:06:47
And even though I'm just projecting what I wouldn't want on them, do you know how sad that is? That that means they're just holding shame, guilt, and regret, like if you're not changing, you're just carrying all this baggage, now the people that are doing that might have a lower awareness, so they're fine with it.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:06
Oh, yeah,

Kyle Cease 1:07:07
Like, if you're fine being a caterpillar and don't get you, might become a butterfly, you're cool. There's some people whose awareness literally is, did my football team win, and where are my Cheetos? Oh, good, there are my Cheetos, right? I don't have that, and, and, and the pain that we feel I believe doesn't correlate, correlate with where you are as much as how aware you are from what you're living, that is where, like, the more I meditate, the higher my awareness goes, so if I live in any way that's not in accordance with that higher self, you know, I can think of a lot of people I know who are very artistic and creative and magical. I can think of them getting into relationships with people that are very stagnant and addicted, and very often when that happens, the aware one, who is like an artist and musical and whatever, I can think of people very close to me, they are aware they could be more, but they have to, you know, a butterfly married to a caterpillar has to move at the pace of the caterpillar, right? And very often the butterfly that clips their wings to stay, they often get sick much bigger than the caterpillar, or they die early. I believe very much my mom was very artistic and creative, and was in a relationship that nothing but love to the guy, but I felt it was very stagnant for her, and she got sick and ill and died at 69 and I have a friend whose mom was so loving and open-hearted and married to an alcoholic and died young, and I just feel like the more you're aware, if you don't live in accordance with your awareness, you're gonna really suffer, but the ironic thing is the guys that I just mentioned that were with those women, they're sitting on the couch fine drinking, gonna live forever. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely, because their awareness is low, so they're they're not in the curse of being the butterfly clipping their wings, they're just chill, watching CNN is fine,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:02
And that's where I've met a lot of near-death experiencers who were those guys and gals who then all of a sudden had this, yeah, they had a near-death experience, and that cannot not change,

Kyle Cease 1:09:13
You can't unsee it,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:15
And by the way, even when they come out, sometimes you're like, that's just too weird, I'm not gonna deal with it, and they'll, they'll stuff it down for years,

Kyle Cease 1:09:22
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:23
Decades,

Kyle Cease 1:09:23
And then the sicknesses,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:25
And then something, and then something will eventually pop that they can't hold on to it anymore.

Kyle Cease 1:09:29
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:29
I mean, the, the,

Kyle Cease 1:09:32
It's like, you better go into magic, fill, like, you better, like, literally, you're when they'll hire your awarenesses, it's like you almost have to start living from the frequency of miracles, you can't. You cannot go back to a world once you've experienced six. Imagine if Neo got out of the Matrix and it was pushed back in it and just tried to numb it, like tried to do what the other character did, who wanted to be exactly, yeah, it wanted to do. You know, if he can't unsee this now, and so if he's, if he was married to someone inside the Matrix who didn't know, or he tried to do the habits of inside the Matrix, he would get aggressively sick,

Alex Ferrari 1:10:12
But remember with Cipher, he actually asks, "Erase my memory.

Kyle Cease 1:10:16
Well, he has to, he has to not know, he has, right? So, so he could go back if he can have the ability to have his memory.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:24
He wanted to be the guy, my football team, when, where's my Cheetos?

Kyle Cease 1:10:27
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:10:27
That's what he didn't want, the truth,

Kyle Cease 1:10:28
And the message of that is he wouldn't be able to live there if he had the awareness thing. And what we don't get is that we're scared to go to that magical world, but we don't get it would be a magical world, like, like we have the curse of understanding of a miraculous literal course and miracles side of the of the veil and life wants to do things very different in that frequency and so when we know what we know and then go back to trying to just eat processed food and just live the life that we're used to from the 80s or 90s when we have this thing where we know higher, that's where that's where all our suffering is.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:04
Let me ask you, man, because I'll tell you how it feels for me, but we both took leaps, where to get where we are today, multiple, many, many, many, many, many

Kyle Cease 1:11:16
Handed a new one every few days

Alex Ferrari 1:11:17
Now. Yeah, now you are, but there are these big giant ones, though. I left comedy,

Kyle Cease 1:11:22
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:22
That was a big one for you. For me, it was I'm gonna leave my very successful filmmaking podcast to open up a spiritual one,

Kyle Cease 1:11:30
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:30
That was a massive.. it was one of the biggest risks,

Kyle Cease 1:11:33
Which was crazy. I mean, you had like Billy Crystal on that,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:35
Yeah, yeah. No, we had huge.. yeah, it was.. it was a very.. and it would.. I don't know where it would be now if I would have kept going down that road, I knew I wasn't fulfilled anymore. Yeah, to a certain point, where, like, after you've spoken to 800 people about, you know, being on set and you know the hero's journey, you get to a certain point where you just like, this is this

Kyle Cease 1:11:56
You needed more,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:57
I needed more. And then the universe, or Connie, my spiritual guide, calls me and goes, it's time for you to open up a spiritual podcast, but when I took this leap, I could not have imagined, even in my wildest race, where I am right now.

Kyle Cease 1:12:12
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:13
If you would have told me, I would have said, you're absolutely insane,

Kyle Cease 1:12:16
Which is the weirdest thing about what a leap is, is that it's going to kill the frequency that was trying to see what would happen. In other words, the you in that first podcast, or me and comedy, literally had no idea what was coming.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:30
No,

Kyle Cease 1:12:31
And it had to kill the one that needed to know when we left, and so that we could make room for it. In other words, like you're you, you have to understand that it will not show you what's on the other side, and that way you'll move based on a feeling versus evidence,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:50
Right!

Kyle Cease 1:12:50
Does that make sense? You'll start to learn how to move based on a calling versus I can see the success of the podcast, I see the guarantee of the money, you know, I see the next partner.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:01
So, you know what's funny is when I was a younger man, you know, psychics have been around my life most of my life, and it's cultural with being Latino, so it's just a thing. And early in my early 20s, I was, I just had to talk to them constantly because I wanted to know what was coming, what was coming. I was so fearful, what's coming, what's coming. When am I going to make it big? When am I going to do this? That's how I met Connie originally. What's going to happen? What's going to happen? What's going to happen? Where now I truly don't want to know, like I mean, and I have a hell of a, of a rolodex of psychic mediums, some of the best in the world. I never,

Kyle Cease 1:13:40
I have not to one up you, but I have a bunch of psychic larges.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:43
There you go. But my point is,

Kyle Cease 1:13:47
But their mediums is a good start.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:51
Jesus Christ, you. But the point is that I don't reach out to them because I don't think I need that anymore. I don't. I honestly don't want to know, and sometimes I'll get information like, well, this is what's going to happen in your show. I'm like,

Kyle Cease 1:14:04
Well, and that's probably because somewhere in your soul you know the measurement of success externally and financially and fame isn't the highest calling. I don't care, like it's more like what I'd ask a psychic, although there is a joy in just being in surrender, and being in the awe now, but what am I going to release? What am I going to become? What does God want for me? But I'll also find out, so

Alex Ferrari 1:14:29
You're gonna get there anyway. But so the person that's looking for that reassurance is someone who's scared and someone who's grateful, because you, because if you,

Kyle Cease 1:14:37
Which just means almost all of the world is just scared.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:40
Well, most of that's this reality is

Kyle Cease 1:14:42
Just everyone's scared,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:43
Everyone's terrified,

Kyle Cease 1:14:44
Everyone's terrified, that's all the time. Yeah, but sorry to interrupt,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:47
But that's the point. Every this whole reality is based on fear, fear of being eaten by a tiger, fear being fired, being feared not being loved. It's all fear.

Kyle Cease 1:14:56
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:57
It's the ones who are not living in that. That world, you can't have fear without time.

Kyle Cease 1:15:03
That's true.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:04
You cannot have fear without time.

Kyle Cease 1:15:05
True. Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:06
Because you're only afraid of what's

Kyle Cease 1:15:07
Because you're not saying what's going to happen right now, right? And when there's someone, when there's actually your house is literally on fire, there's a gunman, your body actually kicks in the fight or flight, so you totally don't need fear at all. In other words, the ability to, whatever, fight or flight, if someone jumps out at you, a tiger's there, or whatever, is encoded in your body

Alex Ferrari 1:15:27
Naturally.

Kyle Cease 1:15:28
So, so

Alex Ferrari 1:15:28
Think about a tiger potentially eating,

Kyle Cease 1:15:30
Yeah! Like, do you ever have it where you know you're driving in your car and you're on the freeway, you turn, you turn back in the car in front of you, stopped, and you slam on the brakes. Yeah, right now your body knew what to do. Now, imagine if you were given a two-month heads up that this moment was coming. Imagine if you were, oh my god, in your head, you'd be in fight or flight. Your body would be getting exhausted. You'd even probably dislodge the natural ability to stop it, because you'd be exhausted. Ego is going to be in charge of it versus your natural fight or flight, that's there and was only needed for two seconds to slam on the brakes, so just so fear is this giant anticipation of what's going to happen, whether you're right or wrong, and it's also a request for it, in other words, you're aiming for it, and yes, and I have a solution, by the way, to fear that's really crazy, I have done some major work with people, and discovered that there's two ways that the universe is going to help you with this fear. Whatever your fear is, there's two ways it's going to help you do it. It's either going to make you experience it, because you'll let go of it once you experience it, like if you're sitting there going, "What if we divorce? What if we divorce the day after your divorce? You're like, well, that anticipation is done, so you can let go of it. But the other thing is, the fear comes from in your body. And so, when I was younger, I have an eight year old daughter, and when I was younger, I had a massive fear that was really in my body that I would lose her, like in a public place, that we'd be in a Disneyland or a Costco, which in itself is horrifying, but that I just look away and I can't find her.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:07
Yeah, man,

Kyle Cease 1:17:08
And I would have dreams nightly that I lost her. Right, one day I realized this fear is coming from within. Right, this is it's coming up, it's coming up because it wants to be seen. So I decided to, in a meditation, this will sound crazy, but let myself experience that she was taken away, whatever it's fierce. I'm not trying to manifest it or thinking it or putting on a vision board. I listen, and it just goes, this is what I'm scared of. It's a pattern scared, it's a pattern scared that I'll fail as a dad, that I do it wrong, that I lost, it'll be my fault that I don't have my daughter. I just sat there and listened, and I watched as I felt it. I literally said, even in the dream and the vision, goodbye to my daughter. Then I cried out a false Vivi that I had been holding on to, and I released her, and all of a sudden I felt like the five year old me that's trying to keep everything together, so I'm not in trouble, died with it, and all of a sudden I had a presence, and guess what, did that make it more likely for her to get stolen? No, I'm a million times more present, I'm not in my egoic, you know, the people that are scared of getting in crashes, and they crash every week, you know, I have friends that are like, I have a thing where I'm scared I'll crash, dude. They call me once a week. They just got in a crash, like it's like because your egoic self is trying to run it, and you're not in surrender, and the surrender you can do it so much more than the control you, right? So, if you have a fear of something, this sounds weird, let it happen. The fear just wants to be seen, so you can either keep repressing it with addictions and distractions, and life will make you see it externally, or you take a deep breath, and you let your deepest fear happen, that you're homeless, that nobody likes you, that you know you'll be broke, you're attacked by the world, that you die, you will discover that the one that's scared is holding an avatar of those things happening, like in other words, it's like a dream, like the person in the dream isn't actually you, because the person across is also in your dream, they're all existing in you. Same with life, you're not actually worried about the person outside of you doing something, you have a world inside of you, that's a false world that's trying to die, and if you can get really present, your deepest fears will not just come up, and then you numb it a little, they leave, and all of a sudden you realize you were not only carrying an egoic self that was going to fail, you were also carrying a world, in other words, there's a world that matches the egoic self. If you have an egoic self that says no one's going to like me, you have a world for that egoic self to not be wrong, where everyone doesn't like. In fact, it'll look for those people, make it happen. So, the more I get really present, the more fears come up. I just listen to them, they come to light, they become realized, and. They die, and then all of a sudden, a much more present me is here with God replacing those things, and a much higher powerful thing, and those fears don't exist anymore. Isn't that nuts?

Alex Ferrari 1:20:11
It's insane.

Kyle Cease 1:20:12
And so you start to realize fear was a false self that was scared to do it wrong, that would get spanked or yelled at by mom or whatever, needing to die, and the reason fear is coming up now is because it's ready to die.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:24
In general,

Kyle Cease 1:20:24
In general, if you have fear, what most people do is they, they numb it, they drink, they put pills in, whatever. But if you let your fear be experienced as you become a presence with the now, you, I believe you've just purged a world and a potential timeline that now isn't reality, and I believe this even happens with external. I had a woman do work with me that she's so worried that we're gonna have this world war and all these things, and I let her feel it. She started crying. This is on my YouTube channel, is me working with a trauma therapist. She let she says, okay, I can't say I love you to my daughter, and I let her say that. I let her, and she just sat and cried it out, and all of a sudden I believe that she's now going to see a literal different world, that she's now not holding that same world out of fear, like our ego needs to have the same painful world match. It, you're going to, because the number one thing that ego can't be is wrong, so it has to be right, so it creates a world that mirrors it, and I believe as you become present, you purge that world, you purge that false world, and it's like it's almost like you're on an elevator and you're passing a floor of a timeline, and that's my future, but if you keep being on the elevator and letting it pass, then now this is my future, now this is my future. Most of us feel the fear, and go, you guys don't understand, go to a therapist, talk about it. This is the fear you're grabbing the floor, and the more you resist the fear or repress it, the more you're aiming for it.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:51
Kyle, do you agree that I mean, you've said this a couple times, that you have to look for the answers within? Yeah, and most people look for answers outside of yourselves for everything.

Kyle Cease 1:22:03
Yes, so they repress the fear with the external solution. I'm scared I'll go broke. Oh, good, I have money. The fear is still there, it's just under the money,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:11
right? And then, so then some of these billionaires are really terrified.

Kyle Cease 1:22:14
There they are, they're totally terrified.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:16
And I'd imagine, like, if you've been broke all your life and you get a little bit of money, you're afraid of losing it.

Kyle Cease 1:22:23
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:24
If you're, you've been broke, and then you have $20 billion I've heard of that from from people I've worked that have worked with, that I've worked with, that said I have billionaire clients who are terrified of everything. I'm like,

Kyle Cease 1:22:40
Giant tower in a sea of 8 billion people that you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:44
And they're terrified of losing 20

Kyle Cease 1:22:47
Half of it, like they're like, like,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:49
How can I live with only $10 billion Yeah, how can I live with only a billion dollars? Like, that's insane.

Kyle Cease 1:22:54
They're usually telling someone on food stamps how horrified they are, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:22:58
Well, I think it was.. I forgot, I think it was.. I forgot what the comedian was. I don't know if it's Chris Rock, but he said he's like it was Chris Rock. He's like, you know, Oprah, right? Oprah's rich, but if Bill Gates woke up with Oprah money, he

Kyle Cease 1:23:14
Right! Yes, yeah, because you're acclimated to, oh, good, I am that number, but also there's people that believe money equals freedom, and what that means is you don't. So I have my freedom externally, so I lose my freedom if this is taken away. So I got to guard it, I got to be protective, because I'm so scared, because it's still not me. Like, I'd rather my soul equal freedom. I'd rather my soul equal safety. I'd rather my soul equal protection. No one can take that away.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:44
Yeah, you look at the, but you look at the masters, man. Even if you look at yogis who are meditating in a cave, which aren't - it's an extreme version of this conversation, but they're not afraid of any of that. No, they're not even afraid of not having food, because they go, the universe will provide for me, and they, and someone will show up with food, or they'll get food, and

Kyle Cease 1:24:04
Because the idea that you have money means you're enough doesn't actually make logical sense, right? So, the what makes sense, that you get to a place where you get your enoughness is in you, it has to actually be that way, not just a fun quote that you can get on a sign at a Cracker Barrel, I'm saying, like, you gotta get that

Alex Ferrari 1:24:23
The old Crackle Barrel, the new Crackle Barrel, you're the one that went back to, got it,

Kyle Cease 1:24:27
Yeah, that you gotta get that you yourself has to be the actual enoughness, and then boy, does life mirror that, like, in other words, if I get that there's some fluke stories of billionaires, but as you said, they're all freaking out that they'll lose it anyway. But if you finally get to, I'm enough, and money doesn't make me more, now you're safe for money to show up. I mean, that's what we want in a relationship. I want to date someone, that's what we think. I want to date someone who is enough in their wholeness, not someone that's. Absolutely, codependent on me or can't stand me. I want someone who is in their enoughness. So, imagine the universe is going, when you're enough, I'll take care of everything, right? When you're, but if your enoughness is in money or a relationship or fame, or that everyone sees you, I'm going to ruin that for you, because you're, you're indirectly saying that your enoughness is based on something that was separate from you, which doesn't make any logical sense anyway.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:25
There is, do you know what Tim Ferriss is?

Kyle Cease 1:25:27
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:28
Yeah, Tim. So, Tim, Tim, huge fan of Tim's work, and what he's done over the years. His book is one of the reasons I even started a podcast, Four Hour Work Week. It was the that book changed my life when I read it years and years ago, but Tim said something was really interesting years ago. I never forgot it. He's like, you know, I was really afraid of going broke. He had that fear, and he's a very wealthy man, but he was afraid of being broke. He's like, I wonder what would happen if I was broke. So, to get over that fear, he decided to, it's an experiment, sleep on the floor at night. What would happen if I was homeless? I'll stay on my house, but let's just..

Kyle Cease 1:26:10
It's like on a carpet in a mansion, like, okay,

Alex Ferrari 1:26:14
No, no, but that's literally what he did. Yeah, he literally is like, you know, I want to be uncomfortable, I want to learn how to be a little uncomfortable, so I'm gonna sleep on the floor, and I'm gonna be beans for the week, just canned beans,

Kyle Cease 1:26:26
Okay!

Alex Ferrari 1:26:27
Because he goes, that's let's see, how that's the worst again, let's say it's the worst I can get right now, that I'm sleeping on the floor and eating beans every day for a week to prove to myself that it's gonna be okay.

Kyle Cease 1:26:39
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:26:40
To prove to myself

Kyle Cease 1:26:41
So great,

Alex Ferrari 1:26:42
Isn't that an amazing idea?

Kyle Cease 1:26:44
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:26:44
Like, you know, what are you afraid of? Well, let's do that. Yeah, just for a little bit to give your ego a taste and go, oh well, this isn't that bad,

Kyle Cease 1:26:53
You know? Be even.. I don't.. I don't remember that. I mean, I read it so long ago, but I'm so curious if he got to also feel through the shame, like if someone's, you know, there's that, does that really believe you're homeless if you came out of

Alex Ferrari 1:27:07
Someone who saw you in from high school or something. Oh, what happened? Yeah,

Kyle Cease 1:27:11
I remember Neil Donald Walsh had a movie version of his book, of course. Yeah, you probably know,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:17
I don't, I don't have it. There's reasons,

Kyle Cease 1:27:20
Yeah, there's just a scene where he's just sitting at a dumpster, like eating a sandwich someone dropped in there, and I'm crying my eyes out. I know him too, I'm sure he's

Alex Ferrari 1:27:29
Really, of course,

Kyle Cease 1:27:30
But like, you know, you're just feeling for him, but I'm feeling for the embarrassment, the shame, the feeling of, I didn't provide

Alex Ferrari 1:27:38
That, was, you know, there's when he lived in that, that homeless camp.

Kyle Cease 1:27:42
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:42
That, that thing was rough, man. Yeah, like watching that movie with him when he.. and then he finally got like he was in like a halfway house or something when he started writing conversations with God. He barely had a job, he had a job, but barely had enough to..

Kyle Cease 1:27:55
And isn't remember that part too, when he started getting a job at the radio. Yeah, and then they saw him with another homeless guy that was harassing them. In other words, there's a scene where he starts to get a job at a radio station, and they start to like him, and he's kind of tricked them that he's not homeless, right? And then they're at a restaurant, he's sitting outside, and he sees the woman that hired him, and then, like, a homeless person comes in and is drunk and inappropriate with her, and he loses his job, and then later writes conversations with God, so that thing that he almost got might have almost stopped him

Alex Ferrari 1:28:27
From getting

Kyle Cease 1:28:28
From getting conversation,

Alex Ferrari 1:28:29
Because he had to go, he had to go through that in order to get to the point where he starts yelling at God.

Kyle Cease 1:28:34
Yes, you feel that, like, so, so like it threw him off course, because it was taking him to conversations with God. If he had just got the radio, he would just got a studio apartment been good enough, but we wouldn't have all read Conversations with God.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:46
So you know the story of, you know, my story of like the dark time, the darkest time in my life with the movie, right? The would you, the mob movie,

Kyle Cease 1:28:54
I re, I do, but remind me,

Alex Ferrari 1:28:57
So I'm 20, and anyone, if they want to watch, they can read the book or listen to it on Next Level Soul TV. I was 26 got hired by an ex-mobster to tell a story of his life, and and then it was a $20 million movie. I spent a year with him at a racetrack, that's where our production offices were. He threatened my life on a daily basis, by the time I realized what was going on, I was in and I couldn't get out because of fear, and I was life. It was most dramatic.

Kyle Cease 1:29:24
Well, you were like, I can't, if I get him out, if I get out, I'll be killed.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:28
Oh yeah, no, the threatening, life-threatening conversations. It was like going to work with Joe Pesci from Goodfellas, like one day, like one moment, he's the funniest, greatest guy to be hanging around with. Are you my clown? Am I my clown? How do I amuse you? It was that, and I was not at 26 prepared for any of that.

Kyle Cease 1:29:45
Wow,

Alex Ferrari 1:29:46
Mentally anything. So I was basically just basically hamburger meat for a year, and then to add, to kind of add a little bit more flavor to it. Then I, I'm being flown out to LA, and I'm meeting. Are you know the producers of the Matrix? I'm meeting the biggest, you know, billion dollar producers. I'm meeting the biggest movie stars in the world at their houses about being in this project. So, like, Hollywood took them. See, I'm at the Chateau Marmont, I'm at the Ivy, I'm at Spago. I'm doing.. I'm 26 I'm going along this insane ride for a year, going back and forth, back and forth, and, and while my life is being threatened, till finally, at the very end of it, and I'm not getting paid well, if at all, so I'm like, just, you know, just money, money, money out, and credit card, credit card, credit card, till finally he lets me go, at the end, he's like, you know, what, kid's not gonna work out, I'm gonna have to let you go, and then I'm just tossed into the, just tossed into the world a shell of who I used to be. Might imagine being so close to your dreams, being this close to the biggest movie star in the world at the time, saying, "Hey, I want to work with you, and it's gone. That's like worse than not ever getting in the room at all,

Kyle Cease 1:31:00
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:01
So, going through that whole.. I mean, right? I'd rather have not dated the hot girl, right? Like, I don't want to. I didn't want to, you know? I didn't want to have that experience.

Kyle Cease 1:31:10
I totally did.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:11
You know what I mean? So, you're in that world, so then I'm thrown out into the world. I'm broke. My girlfriend leaves me. My dog dies. I mean, it's like.. it was all sorts of.. I mean, it was like I was at the lowest point of my life, and though I never felt I was going to go homeless, because I had a family who loves me, and.. and I.. but I kept all of this from them. They didn't know until I read, wrote the book 17 years later, that they realized what happened.

Kyle Cease 1:31:36
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:31:37
And I was three days away from signing bankruptcy paperwork, because I had to protect myself, I had to.

Kyle Cease 1:31:44
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:31:45
So this is my Neil Donald Walsh moment, where I literally sit down in my, in my house, and I yell out to God, and I go, I want to pay my debts, but if you don't help me get a job, because I couldn't get work,

Kyle Cease 1:32:00
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:00
I, it was so bad, dude. I went back to Hollywood Video. I'm a professional, I've been.. I'm 27 at this point. I went back to Hollywood video to become a video store clerk, because that's the only thing on my resume that I could do, because I was

Kyle Cease 1:32:13
I feel bad that I feel relieved for you. Like, I'm just like, oh, that sounds like a great job.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:17
I mean, it would have been, but it would have. I went back to Hollywood video, and I put in, because I needed a job, anything, and I couldn't get a job as an editor.

Kyle Cease 1:32:25
Do you know, I worked at a Hollywood video? Also,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:27
I'm sure you did. I didn't.

Kyle Cease 1:32:29
This is so crazy.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:29
They rejected me.

Kyle Cease 1:32:30
Yeah, they reject this quality, but it was not Hollywood. Anyway,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:34
So anyway, so I went there. So I got really bad for me. I yell out to him, I'm like, I want to pay my debts, but if you don't help me, I'm going to sign this paperwork, because I need to save myself. I need to protect myself. And the next day, I get a call from my very first boss, who gave me my internship, and he goes, Alex, they're looking for an editor up in West Palm Beach. Wow, I already told them about you, just show up with your reel, and they're waiting to talk to you. I drove up there with a reel show, it got the job. Wow, and I was a freelancer. Then I got another job a week later doing another freelance job, and then I slowly started to work my way out of school. I'm like, I said, I'll work, but I need help, and that was the first time in my life that I realized, oh, there's someone else watching, because it was just,

Kyle Cease 1:33:26
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:33:27
It was just, it was too much. And then that started the chain of events that I eventually left that job, and then opened up my own post-production company, and then started doing my own shows, and I did my first movie, and I started doing all this kind of stuff, but it all started from that moment.

Kyle Cease 1:33:42
Wow,

Alex Ferrari 1:33:43
And if I wouldn't have gone through that trauma, which then, by the way, held - I held on to that trauma for 17 years that I didn't know I was. I pushed it so far down that I didn't realize I had that I had done that until I wrote the book, and all of it came back up. All of it came back up, and I was like crying while I was writing, and I'm like, oh my god. And then I started looking like, oh, this is why every single time I got in the room, and I almost got a movie made the way I wanted to, it fell apart. It was constant, constant decade of that, decade to almost two decades of that. I was like, but I'm in the room, you know the feeling, I'm in the room, I'm good enough to be in the room. Why am I not? Why does something keep stopping me? What's the point of this? And that's what it was. I was, I had.. I would not let go of that pain, that was like fear. Making a movie is painful,

Kyle Cease 1:34:36
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:34:36
On a subconscious level, but on the outside I was always wanting to make it,

Kyle Cease 1:34:40
You know. I, I would offer, you know, one thing that I've learned from doing the work internally and with my clients is that one of the number one thing, and first of all, almost every one of my clients is an empath, like they're, you know, narcissists don't do inner work, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:34:56
Yeah, they're generally narcissists don't generally,

Kyle Cease 1:34:58
Maybe I should give a little bit, it's going to take. Can never do right. There's no like every every empath I'm trying to get them to receive. You don't do that to a narcissist, they've been right. So people that watch this just know you're probably an empath, right? And the number one thing I find as the, as the, as the belief that's in them that we got to work on is I have to do it all myself,

Alex Ferrari 1:35:22
Right!

Kyle Cease 1:35:23
Because an empath ends up in a relationship, usually with a narcissist, or they end up just.. they became that way because they got to take care of everyone else, so they know what people feel, so they do all the stuff, and they do it all themselves, and they're also the most resentful. No one helps them, they're the ones that they both say, "I got to do it all myself, and then no one helps them. The number one thing I have empaths say is this, literally, and it breaks patterns. Like, I worked with a guy yesterday on our Out with the Old In with the Now course. I had this guy say he was like he was talking about his problems, and I literally had to make him say these words, and I meant to the universe, but I had him say, please help me, like literally just the act of please help me, and I watched as just that, like brought some energetic shift where some higher frequency opened him up, and the one that has to do it all himself had to die a little bit, and I didn't do this for me, but I'm like literally, it's like it's almost like empaths want help, but they, it kills their pattern that does it all themselves. So, it's like they're going into the surgery room, but they're trying to run it, and they are one foot out, and they don't receive, they don't receive right. And the you that was probably kicking butt with the, but also in this bizarre position with the mob, you know, did it all yourself and has to do it right, and you hold it all, and the second you were about to sign bankruptcy papers, and you asked God, that was, that was a like, that's in the song, that was a cold and a broken hallelujah, you know, the song Hallelujah, like they, I love that song, because they say it's not, it's not somebody, it's not a cry you hear at night, it's not somebody who's seen the light, it's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah very much, sir. What are they saying? Oh, it's that you get God when you're in that low, you have to, and it's, and it's down to, okay, I'm gonna go through this humiliating thing, it's humiliating to my character and pattern that says who I am is what I achieve and how much money I make and my success. So I'm going to ask God, and by asking God, I'm going to kill the one who's identified with I am this bankruptcy paperwork or my solution to it. When you surrendered, you killed the one who was identified with that, which made room for the energetic response, because if you were going to sign that paperwork, you, you were heading towards that, because that was what you were identified as. So that one was about to sign the paperwork, and you would, had you not asked for God, I truly believe there's a good chance you wouldn't have got the call, because you, that guy is not able to receive money because the ego was in charge of making the money, not God. And the second you went, "God, help me come in here, you were letting your control of your money situation die, and you handed it to God, and that's why everything is given to God, to me. Like, okay, this relationship's falling apart. God, would you help me with this? God might show up by being like, I'm gonna actually knock it out quicker, right? Like, sometimes, like, be a little bit mercy. Yeah, I've had times where I'm like, this friendship's falling apart, God, could you help me? And God's like, yeah, I'm gonna like make them disappear instantly. And then you go, oh, I actually didn't like them, like I've noticed something really interesting. The people in my life that I'm worried will leave my life are all people that, when they do, I'm relieved. The people, isn't that weird? The people you're worried will fall, or they might judge you, that's because you know they judge you, and they do, you know, they have problems with

Alex Ferrari 1:38:58
Interesting. Yeah, because,

Kyle Cease 1:38:59
Like, I would never feel like Alex has a problem with me, and if we do, we'll talk about it,

Alex Ferrari 1:39:03
Absolutely.

Kyle Cease 1:39:04
But I just know, like, in a not weird way, you love all of me, and I have some friends that I just know that would never worry that they don't like me. But the ones that I'm worried about are people that eventually it's like, actually, no, it's good. It's like Tina Turner worried Ike is mad at her. It's like it's good when he's gone, you're gonna be, you'll be more successful.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:24
It's gonna work out for you too. Yeah, and he's not around.

Kyle Cease 1:39:26
But isn't that story fascinating? And by the way, in my life, I have a thing called the Ike and Tina Turner test. Tell me, for people watching, if you don't know, Ike Ike Turner was who Tina Turner was originally with, both as a husband and a musician. Ike Turner presented to Tina Turner, you're lucky to have me, right? He kept all the money and said you're nothing without

Alex Ferrari 1:39:45
Definition of abusive relationship. Yeah, and always

Kyle Cease 1:39:48
Position is you're lucky to have me, but you can look at nothing without me. You're, yeah, you're like nothing, you're nothing without me. And there's this thing that happens. I've had people in my life that tell me that I've had people come in and tell me you. To mark it this way, and you need to do it this way, and you're nothing without me. And then they position themselves as they have Kyle Cease, they're on my stage, they're doing all this stuff, and I realize, oh, they need me, you get what I'm saying. And I go, I

Alex Ferrari 1:40:13
Needed Tina,

Kyle Cease 1:40:14
Yeah, Ike needed Tina, Tina did not need Ike, was being abused at one point so much that she finally let that low be I'm going to leave this, even though we, she didn't have the foresight we have of what she was going to be. She just saw she's leaving the fame of Proud Mary and Ike and Tina Turner, and she had no idea what she'd be next, but she left. And when she left, she said to the judge, I don't want any money, I just want the name. And then in that leap she became Tina F and Turner, and Ike collapsed. So I have in my thing when people are like, "Oh, you're nothing without me, I think to myself, "Would I become Tina Turner if I left this person? Like, would I.. what was this like? Am I holding up the Ike energy that makes me think that I'm, you know, there, and really, the people that have left my life were people that actually had intense control over me and wanted me to be what they wanted and were mad at me that I wasn't what they wanted, and when I finally let go, like I was just free, and then all sudden they say, "Oh, I didn't want you in my life, and then they're just talking about me more, it's just like, "Oh, like I see,

Alex Ferrari 1:41:21
Like Ike did,

Kyle Cease 1:41:21
Yeah, like I like she was nothing without me. I don't. Well, so there's what's love got to do with it's proven you wrong.

Alex Ferrari 1:41:27
So when she did what's love got to do with it, she was like, wasn't she 40?

Kyle Cease 1:41:33
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:41:34
She was like 40,

Kyle Cease 1:41:35
I think more than that. Like she, when she, I mean, she died at like 80.

Alex Ferrari 1:41:38
No, no, yeah,

Kyle Cease 1:41:39
She's so that means in the 40s, in the 80s, she was 40,

Alex Ferrari 1:41:42
She was at least 40, yeah, and to be a pop star

Kyle Cease 1:41:45
Star

Alex Ferrari 1:41:46
In the 80s, yeah, it at 40 is it's unheard of, yeah, it's just unheard of what she did

Kyle Cease 1:41:52
And became so legendary in that release,

Alex Ferrari 1:41:55
And then that one song did it for her, but then she just had this career that would not, yeah, give up, right. And there's a scene in that movie. What's love got to do with it? If you guys, if people haven't seen it, it's an amazing film. Yeah, with Larry Fishburn is Ike.

Kyle Cease 1:42:09
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:10
And then Angela Bassett is Tina when she's about to go on, and this is a.. it's a very crucial moment. It's the moment she's going to do a live version of at the Grammys or something of what dream at the end, exactly. Yeah, and she's in the dressing room, and Ike shows up.

Kyle Cease 1:42:28
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:28
And it's like this final test.

Kyle Cease 1:42:30
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:31
Are you? Yes, and he had a gun.

Kyle Cease 1:42:33
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:33
And he had a gun with him.

Kyle Cease 1:42:34
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:35
Like I take you

Kyle Cease 1:42:36
Point out that you point out it's his, it's her final,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:38
It's her final test. Yeah, because if she cracks, then it's all for nothing,

Kyle Cease 1:42:43
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:42:45
It's all for nothing. If she cracks,

Kyle Cease 1:42:46
Then if fear can get her,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:47
But he had the gun there, and he was threatening her, and he's like, what are you gonna do? And she just stood up to him, and what? Then he just,

Kyle Cease 1:42:56
You can kill me, Ike, if you want, yeah, like something like,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:58
I'm already, I'm already gone, I'm already done.

Kyle Cease 1:43:01
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:43:01
It's over.

Kyle Cease 1:43:02
Yes.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:03
And she walked right by him and went back on stage and sung her heart out thinking about it. Yeah,

Kyle Cease 1:43:09
You had no idea how spiritual that movie

Alex Ferrari 1:43:11
That is. And then she, and she became a Buddhist, and she found a lot of help in Buddhism to get into her. She found that was her path,

Alex Ferrari 1:43:18
Dude. I saw her live when she was like 70, and it was unbelievable. She was like incredible, but that is the, that was her leaving the energetic weight that a past her would take on and stay in a relationship with someone like Ike Turner. Like, she had an energetic field that told her in her 20s, probably, that she's not worth that much. Oh no, and so that would keep her in that thing, but when she made the leap that her died too, and that's why she started, despite the fact she had all that abuse, all that trauma, right? She started getting younger and younger as she got older and older, right. It's,

Alex Ferrari 1:43:53
I mean, it's amazing.

Kyle Cease 1:43:54
That's why I think the, you know, dude, when we're recording this right now, it's three days after Dick Van Dyke's 100th birthday. I don't know if you know that. Yes, and Dick Van Dyke, who's just been light and love, also, you know, I've looked it up, had battled with major alcoholism, oh, all kinds of dark shadows,

Alex Ferrari 1:44:11
Huge,

Kyle Cease 1:44:12
But then let go of it and got freer, and that blew my mind, because, like, I think that we think like illness and cirrhosis of the liver and darkness is from alcohol, it is, but I think more it's from frequency, I think. I think that he, you can heal yourself vibrationally, and I believe that he always was truly a light, and probably just got stuck in hard times, like we all go through that dark

Alex Ferrari 1:44:33
Numbing soul,

Kyle Cease 1:44:34
And and he's still dancing and moving around, and and and I don't know if where he is when this is out, but I'm just blown away that, you know, he hit 100 and, and so you can measure, it's not like, oh, he had the perfect, he never drank, or you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:44:53
He had a rough, he had a rough today,

Kyle Cease 1:44:54
It's vibrational, I really believe

Alex Ferrari 1:44:56
We're just talking about those two directors right now who are making two movies. These Clint Eastwood's directing a movie right now, jeez, and Mel Brooks is directing Spaceballs too, like mid to late 90s, both, I think, 96 both of them.

Kyle Cease 1:45:10
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:45:11
That's

Kyle Cease 1:45:12
That's crazy.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:12
It's insane.

Kyle Cease 1:45:14
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:45:14
That is so..

Kyle Cease 1:45:15
and I can't sit through an Eagles concert at 48

Alex Ferrari 1:45:21
Like sorry. sorry, so I wanted, I wanted to get your take, man, on 2026 because we've been talking a lot about energy and vibration and frequency, and what you know, holding on to the past and fear, and all this kind of stuff, on a that, and we've been talking out on a micro level, yeah, on the personal level, but on a macro level,

Kyle Cease 1:45:39
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:45:40
Bird's eye view of humanity.

Kyle Cease 1:45:41
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:45:43
Everything we're talking about is it completely is related to the con, the collective.

Kyle Cease 1:45:51
So, the way that I see it, I don't have like the predictions, like, and then this country will take over another war. I have it much more like I really love to look at the individual and then what the macro is as an individual level. So I believe that in the past almost everything that was going on was based on false meaning, like it's false that you are what you achieve, it's false that the government has pure intentions, it's false that, yeah, right. And so what is happening is the lens of truth, right? Even certain ways of spirituality that were helpful could be extra nice, but burying some truth, meaning like there's some negative energies in there, but if you just think positive, we got, yeah, yeah, but there's truth, there's the negative energy stem from abuse that's still being held in the body, so this needs to come to light, because it's not what you are, so a lot of what you are was designed to cover up your trauma, a lot of what you are was I don't want to look at this, but the lens of light is so profound right now that it is, it is shining deep in your heart and your soul, and it is saying I got to get everything out of here, that's not true, that everything, so the idea that I'm not enough has to go, the idea that I am what I achieve has to go, the idea that I should be even able to stare into the future has to go, and the light is almost doubling every day, not literally, but it's so exponential,

Alex Ferrari 1:47:14
Yes,

Kyle Cease 1:47:15
That you cannot act from or be what is false, so if you're in a relationship that doesn't align with your soul, and you keep doing it, it'll just be so freaking heavy. If you're wanting to eat, if your soul wants to eat healthy, you could eat one chip and be like, "Why did I do that? Like, going off course at all is just going to be so loudly heavy.

Alex Ferrari 1:47:37
Yep,

Kyle Cease 1:47:37
The next thing you got to know is you have to take in the idea of something really crazy. You're just the now. You have to start getting I am this field, not the one that's against the field. You'll notice the number one thing your ego is scared of is the truth. It's based on falseness. So, when you say to someone, you're not the 10 Porsches in your garage, they're triggered, but that is still the truth, you're more than that, you're an infinite magical being, and you're here to explore that. So, imagine that the lens right now of God is so you can't help it, and you'll notice that the more you listen to the now, like literally, the more you just wake up and listen to silence for a while, the more it'll start bringing up the falseness, not only the falseness in you, but the falseness in the.. we'll get intuitive. Oh, I see that politician is actually phony. I can feel like our authenticity meters are so high, we spot phoniness everywhere, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:48:34
Yes, yes.

Kyle Cease 1:48:35
And it's just like there's no ability for anything phony, just one. You can see it in the eyes or the way that someone talks, you can just feel it. You can sense truth, you can sense when anyone's lying. Now, right

Alex Ferrari 1:48:47
Back, but 20 years ago you couldn't. 50 years ago, you couldn't,

Kyle Cease 1:48:49
You, and you didn't even see through narcissism in the same.

Alex Ferrari 1:48:52
Literally, 150 years ago, there was snake whale salesmen.

Kyle Cease 1:48:55
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:48:55
And you would never be like, "Oh, yeah, that should cures cancer. Well, yeah, like it's like

Kyle Cease 1:49:00
That's just true,

Alex Ferrari 1:49:01
That's just true. He just said it, that was it. Yeah, but our BS meter has gotten much more tuned,

Kyle Cease 1:49:07
100% And so you'll notice that you have to align with, you'll notice that the truest thing is this space. This now I find is just spending every day now deleting things that I truly thought I was an hour before, and I am finding that the energy field that is false is dying to the now. So it sounds like vague nothing stuff to the ego, but this is everything to the soul. When you wake up, what I would offer people is, when you wake up, really listen to silence before you grab the phone, even before you check in with other people, maybe give your partner a kiss or something. Then go sit and listen, listen for like a while before you do something. Almost all of your what do I do even comes from trauma. In other words, almost all of our what do I do, so the house doesn't fall apart, so people don't not like me. The more you. Listen to what is here, the more it shows you those were patterns you were about to run your day from a pattern of what do I do that's fixing things that God would like to demolish anyway to get you to the truth of what you are anyway. So the more you listen to silence, the more it will bring up and delete the false self. And then you don't do what do I do, you do what is being called for me to do, or what's God telling me to do? And that will take you to a much more ascended frequency that does things that expand your soul versus that does things to stop things from falling apart that are actually supposed to fall apart, right? And so the more you listen to silence, the more some things that were going to fall apart externally will fall apart internally, that will actually fix there won't be a trigger if it falls apart, but often it'll suddenly come to you. If you're like your money story, right? The second you prayed and said, 'Please help me, you let go of the pattern that was in control. You asked God, and all of a sudden the money came. So imagine that in the into the in 2026 you will really be exhausted if you keep moving from the false self who's here to become something in order to prove your parents that you were something from a long time ago, you're not even the family unit anymore, meaning like it's you and God. And then you bring that to the family, because a lot of people think who I am is my childhood, so they're just either being what their parents told them to be, or the rejection of their parents, and by being the rejection of your parents, you're still holding on to them. This is really interesting. If you live your life trying to not be your parent, I have seen it proved over and over and over, you will be the exact same parent, but on the opposite way, right? Like I did an event on a product of mine called Your Soul Is Not for sale. I worked with this guy, and I had said, "You will become, if you want to not be your parent, you'll become just like them, but in an opposite way. And a guy challenged me on it, goes, "I gotta say, my dad never paid attention to me, he never said I love you. You know, it just made me feel so unseen. And he said, "And I tell my kids, I tell them I love that. I'll give them hugs in front of their friends. I'll tell them they don't know how good they have it.

Alex Ferrari 1:52:04
They literally said

Kyle Cease 1:52:05
He literally said this, and I said, "So let me get this straight.

Alex Ferrari 1:52:08
So, you're it's reinforcing what you're saying.

Kyle Cease 1:52:10
You literally are telling me when you tell your kids, "I, you don't know how good you have it. Your love comes with guilt, right? You're telling your, you're making your love for them about you, and not that you love them, and you make them uncomfortable, and hug them in front of their friends when they don't want it. You're exactly fun, though. That is, it is fun. I mean, it is fun to torture your children. Yes, but the more we live a life of going, "don't be them, then you have to hold what them is in your field, and you're, and instead, let go of what they are. Forgive your parents, release them. They have nothing to do with your journey. Now you're grown up, and you're God's kid. You gotta not just be the wound, you can still go visit them on holidays, but you're God's kid, not your parents' ego's kid. And so we are here to listen to the now, and it will start to purge the idea that you were the wounds of your parents that you picked up, or your solution to your parents, you know, and you will become the now, and so it is very important in 2026 that people move intentionally with source and don't just let it throw their ego around until they're exhausted and fall apart and sick or ill or whatever, distracted, sick or ill.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:19
Do you believe that, because you were talking about our BS meters and authenticity, is such a.. we're so heightened right now. Is that why you think that religion is taking so many hits lately? Oh, the last 10 years, like organized religions, and all, all, all versions of it, people are starting to see the cracks.

Kyle Cease 1:53:38
Well, it's so interesting. I noticed something really profound. I noticed that there was an old style of religion that's different than what is happening now. Let me explain. In the 50s and 60s, a lot of times Christians were, I hate Elvis, and that's the devil's music in the Beatles.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:55
Yeah, they couldn't shoot his hips, yeah, on El Salvador, they couldn't show his hips because they were gyrating,

Kyle Cease 1:54:01
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:54:01
Right, but it actually made it worse when they didn't show it, because then your imagination, the girls' imaginations went crazy,

Kyle Cease 1:54:07
Right! They didn't, and so

Alex Ferrari 1:54:08
It was actually dirtier.

Kyle Cease 1:54:10
Yeah, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:54:11
I remember that.

Kyle Cease 1:54:13
And in that time, that it was all based on shame. You're going to hell, your sexuality is evil, evils, all that stuff. Yeah, so my wife, her dad is a pastor, and she grew up hearing shame about sexuality, all this stuff. How ironic is this? Like, if you take the course in miracles, you know, you now, she now almost opens her heart to an expansive Jesus that helps her heal the Jesus that shames her. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, in this time she's opening her heart, helping Jesus, and Jesus wipes away the one that makes her feel like she's evil and bad and going to hell.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:52
But the thing is, and this is such a great quote, no one ever left Christianity because of Jesus's teachings,

Kyle Cease 1:54:58
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:54:59
They.

Kyle Cease 1:54:59
No,

Alex Ferrari 1:54:59
They left for Paul, but that's another conversation.

Kyle Cease 1:55:02
Well, it's because at one point, even that our consciousness is so high that you're going.. that doesn't make logical sense. Like, you're telling me, like Louis CK had a joke, he goes, "You're telling me this kid that, like, lied about a crayon goes and he's roommates with Hitler.

Alex Ferrari 1:55:17
It's true,

Kyle Cease 1:55:17
You know what I'm saying? Like,

Alex Ferrari 1:55:18
I eat meat and stuff like that. Yeah,

Kyle Cease 1:55:21
And I feel very much like to, in a scary way, warn a kid you're going to hell is so abusive. My daughter is my daughter is scared when a guy opens his eyes big in Willy Wonka, or you know, she's got her elf on the shelf, and we moved them, she believes it, like to tell her, yeah, I want you to go to bed and sleep, and think you're going to burn forever if you, that anything that is just craziness. And I have a video on YouTube, it's just called God, and it says the most important conversation. It's me having dialog with a woman that that has a God that's so mad at her and scared, and I have her realize, like this now is actually what I see as God. It would love to help you heal the one that was made to control us and make us scared and keep it like,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:05
But isn't it interesting you were raised Christian?

Kyle Cease 1:56:08
No.

Alex Ferrari 1:56:08
Okay, but you know, obviously a good amount about Christianity,

Kyle Cease 1:56:11
Somewhat,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:12
Somewhat, right? But you know, there's a Bible,

Kyle Cease 1:56:14
Yeah, I've heard of it,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:14
You've heard of it, right? Yeah,

Kyle Cease 1:56:16
Motel Six,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:16
Exactly. And there's an Old Testament,

Kyle Cease 1:56:18
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:19
And a New Testament,

Kyle Cease 1:56:19
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:20
Those are two very different gods.

Kyle Cease 1:56:22
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:22
One is terrifying.

Kyle Cease 1:56:24
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:24
He is, he's a, he's egocentric, he's abusive, he plays games. Yes, he's, he's like insecure. There's a bunch of that. And then in the new one, it's like a lot nicer. He's a much, well, it's a much nicer god, and Jesus never ever talks about that God,

Kyle Cease 1:56:42
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:56:42
He never prays to Yahweh,

Kyle Cease 1:56:44
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:56:44
It's a two different.. it's just fascinating.

Kyle Cease 1:56:46
I always think this too, like if the idea is the way into heaven is literally just say Jesus,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:55
Then what happens to everybody, the Buddist?

Kyle Cease 1:56:58
I want to imagine a speaker holding an event and saying you need to say the only way to something is me, and if you don't, you, I burn you, and you better love me, because I burn you if you don't. You know, I, Aaron Abke said on an interview I had with him, he just said, is it free will if you're threatened hell, like in other words, if you're, if I go into your house with a gun and say, give me all your money, and you give it to me, I like it was his free will that gave me the money, it's like, no, that was fear, right? And we're a

Alex Ferrari 1:57:29
Spiritual gun, you're holding a spiritual gun to their head

Kyle Cease 1:57:32
Right! You're not my free will isn't based on you scared the crap out of me to do it, it's based on a calling, and I believe that the, you know, I was working with the guy. Oh, I told you this part. I've just realized we did this, but, like, the real connection to God feels way better than what Earth is offering,

Alex Ferrari 1:57:53
What the stories that they've been told.

Kyle Cease 1:57:54
Yeah, like, I mean, like, the when you're going inward and you're healing, you realize you're loved, no matter what. That's God. God says God's got real, God says to give me your, your shame, give me your regret. I will heal you, I will undo you from that habit, I will release your guilt. Just let me hear it, let me look at it with you. That's a personal relationship with God, and that to me is where I get the truth right.

Alex Ferrari 1:58:20
But Kyle, this is the thing that fascinates me about this conversation, is that we're talking about a god now, and, and there's all these arguments over the last, let's say, 2000 years, 2500 years, right, but prior to that, there were gods prior in humanity, and multiple gods, lost gods, who are just around for, I mean, we're talking about 1000s and 1000s of years. Well, what happened to them,

Kyle Cease 1:58:45
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:58:45
What happened? Because there were.. there was this God

Kyle Cease 1:58:47
Just for that time. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:58:48
That's my point. There was someone in Egypt talking about the raw sun god, Ra, and then Isis, and all these other different gods were there. And then there were people in Greece talking about Zeus, and.. and then before Zeus, there were the Titans, yeah, you know, and then you know Apollo, and all that, yeah, so there was argument,

Kyle Cease 1:59:06
He's done with them,

Alex Ferrari 1:59:07
Yeah, that's the thing, there was arguments constantly throughout human history,

Kyle Cease 1:59:10
Be pretty unpopular to be like, I'm gonna pray to Zeus,

Alex Ferrari 1:59:13
Yeah, today, like Zeus is my, yeah, there is, I'm sure, somebody, yeah, out there who does pray to Zeus right now, you know, and there, but, but that's the thing that drives me insane about this is that, like, well, no one, like, just right now, the current story that we're all watching and talking about are the, let's say, all the religions that are out there right now, all the gods that we've been told about.

Kyle Cease 1:59:35
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:59:36
You know, but there were gods before, and there'll be gods later. Do you think in 20,000 years we're going to be talking about Jesus,

Kyle Cease 1:59:43
Well,

Alex Ferrari 1:59:43
Or Muhammad, or Buddha, maybe.

Kyle Cease 1:59:45
And

Alex Ferrari 1:59:46
Maybe if we, if we, if we don't recycle ourselves, we, if we don't go through another cataclysm, like, you know, Atlantis, and restart again,

Kyle Cease 1:59:55
Right!

Alex Ferrari 1:59:56
You know, and then it's just another rehash of the same story, just told differently. Because I don't know if you know this or not, there's about, I think it was 12, I'm gonna actually do some more research on this, 12 to 15 other gods who have the same origin story,

Kyle Cease 2:00:07
Wow,

Alex Ferrari 2:00:08
As, as Jesus, I'm not kidding,

Kyle Cease 2:00:10
That's crazy, yeah, I know what you're talking about,

Alex Ferrari 2:00:12
There's, yeah, yeah, there's born of a, yeah, born of a virgin, december 25 days later, they die, all that's this is this is fact, this is them out to

Kyle Cease 2:00:21
Do a bit about I read the Bible, and it said God said, 'Let there be light, and I was thinking, I'm sure He did, but Who was He talking to? Wasn't He by Himself? Like, I don't stand alone in my kitchen. Let there be cheesy macaroni, and then I make it, and I taste it. I'm like, and it was good. I approve of my macaroni, but it's true. Yeah, that it's.. I think there's a lot of.. I mean, I think we're here now to actually have a really adventurous, true, expansive through experience relationship with God that we can't get too caught on which invisible man, and that was told to us, versus you can feel it, and, and I just feel it through my expansion. I feel it through the choices I make, because they're batting 1000 at being right. I've had times where I ignored what my soul said, where I kept someone in my life that my soul was like, that's not a good person for you, and I was just like, just shut up, true voice. I'll, and then it's like, all right, I'll let him, I'll let him get screwed over. Would you know? Would you? So that's that's God to me.

Alex Ferrari 2:01:32
Would you agree that most of us, I'm not gonna say most of us, I think all of us are confused as hell of why the hell we're down here. We're trying to do the best job we can, and figure things out. And when someone comes to you with a story that kind of makes sense, that you can grab onto and hold on, that gives you a sense of security, but to be out there free, as we're discussing, which more people are becoming that awakened and thinking, let's look inside, because when you're doing all of that, there's nothing to hold on to.

Kyle Cease 2:02:05
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 2:02:06
You're holding on to you.

Kyle Cease 2:02:07
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 2:02:08
And that's terrifying for most people.

Kyle Cease 2:02:10
Well, and it's, you know, you're, you're gonna.. I find that you start realizing this 100% is about my healing, meaning like the ego goes, I got to change them, and it's when they change, and I think there's a type of Christian that says everyone that doesn't say this thing is bad, you're bad, you're bad, you're bad,

Alex Ferrari 2:02:30
Because that's just, well, they're insecurity,

Kyle Cease 2:02:31
And they're not necessarily going, you know, I can think of people that do that, that person's evil, that person's evil, but they're living all seven sins all day, eating terribly, you know, whatever. If you watch,

Alex Ferrari 2:02:43
If you watch Narcos, and you see, and you see the assassin drug dealer going to church, going

Kyle Cease 2:02:49
Right,

Alex Ferrari 2:02:50
That drives me insane. The mafia guy is like,

Kyle Cease 2:02:53
Yeah, yeah, no, you can't, yeah, like, what is it? It's as if you don't have to live a certain way, just do that, and you're good, you go kill people, and you're in, like, I don't want to be in that heaven. It's just full of the people, Al Capone, Al Capone. Are you here with Gandhi? Not good. Yeah. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Gandhi's in hell because he lived it. That's true. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, so Gandhi, MLK, they're all in hell because they lived it, right? Versus said it. You know what I'm saying, and then you just should judge every, but no, the ones that are really, I'm gonna find the love in me, even in the hardest people to love. I'm going to go and heal, I'm gonna have conversations with people about it, I'm gonna, gonna listen to, I'm gonna also understand why other people are that way, I'm gonna heal my trauma, I'm going to face stuff, I'm gonna stop bringing all my addictions in and listen to what higher has for me. I find that you start to feel heaven on earth if you follow that, and then I'm not too subscribed to needing to know what happens when you die, because I'm curious about the life I'm in. I'd rather look at the next 40 years versus what happens after it, you know, and really go, I'm here to live, so that living in my highest truth is is my relationship with God, and and it does miracles, like A Course in Miracles is accurate, that that interprets the Bible correctly to me. A Course in Miracles is the most truth love based makes sense logically, and you'll notice that the people that follow that are very loving and happy, and the ones that are so glued to the old way are angry and stuck and mean and aging and addicted, you know. And so

Alex Ferrari 2:04:31
Isn't that interesting, though? Because, yeah, that is obviously, and I'm sure you've heard this before, that you know, the Bible was created by Rome, and Rome, you know, in the Constantine, and all that stuff, and it's all it's just stories, man, it's just stories thrown together. It didn't make any sense, where, of course,

Kyle Cease 2:04:47
A lot of details, like, like,

Alex Ferrari 2:04:50
But yeah, but a lot of holes, but a lot, but a lot of holes in the plot,

Kyle Cease 2:04:53
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 2:04:54
A lot of holes,

Kyle Cease 2:04:54
But if I, I'm just saying, if I spoke to you and was like. Hey Alex, I'm Kyle, and this is Amber. And just so you know, Amber begat Stephanie, and she begat Ella, and she begat.. and you're just like,

Alex Ferrari 2:05:08
Let it be

Kyle Cease 2:05:08
Nice to meet you, Amber. And she built a thing, and it took nine qubits, and four cubits, and six two by fours, and there were just.. what happened with the arc? Like, there's a lot of detail, like, it's like we got the Home Depot measurements of some of this, the Ark, you know what I mean,

Alex Ferrari 2:05:27
Right!

Kyle Cease 2:05:28
I guess, for anyone that goes, how many cubits was the Ark

Alex Ferrari 2:05:30
Really?

Kyle Cease 2:05:31
You know?

Alex Ferrari 2:05:32
And how did the lions stay next to the lambs?

Kyle Cease 2:05:35
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 2:05:36
In the same place

Kyle Cease 2:05:37
Now, you know, it's weird, because I, I will, I'm sure we'll go to hell for mocking it. I don't mean to be, but like, I do have serious questions. Like, so you're telling me he got two wasps and knew what was female, like two

Alex Ferrari 2:05:53
Insects were never discussed. It was a mammal only scenario.

Kyle Cease 2:05:56
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 2:05:57
The oceans, that was fine.

Kyle Cease 2:05:59
I don't know,

Alex Ferrari 2:06:00
Some birds, some birds, not all the birds,

Kyle Cease 2:06:01
Right! I just.. I'm just curious. I just think the gathering process, when you're at, like, God, we need two more. Okay, we had two regular mice, we need snow mice,

Alex Ferrari 2:06:14
We have a leopard, we need a snow leopard,

Kyle Cease 2:06:16
More qubits, and you're all capable of mating, right?

Alex Ferrari 2:06:18
And then.. and then, and there was no hanky panky in the ark, yeah, like no one's doing, yeah, like there's no snow leopard with a normal

Kyle Cease 2:06:25
Leopard lion eating, because he just ate, oh, there goes our, there goes our sheep, yeah, there goes our sheep, we had,

Alex Ferrari 2:06:31
We had two sheep, but we have some llama, so we're good, like it's, it's such an interesting idea, yeah, and then you look at the whole concept of the Noah ark myth, and every single culture in the world talks of a great flood.

Kyle Cease 2:06:45
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 2:06:45
So all of a sudden it's there's so many holes in the plot,

Kyle Cease 2:06:50
Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 2:06:50
Of traditional religions, and so, so many ways.

Kyle Cease 2:06:54
I just feel like we're, I just feel like we're, we're not here to control others, and we're here to offer a space of an experience and learn love. I believe we're here to learn love.

Alex Ferrari 2:07:07
Yes,

Kyle Cease 2:07:08
We're here to learn love, and even though, even though I'm, we're making these jokes, I still am working on even feeling love for the people we're talking about, right? Like, of finding me, there's a in every one of us, there's an injured child that was a beautiful five year old that went through a bunch of trauma, and we're here to find that, and I believe we have learned love at one way, like I got the thing I wanted. I've learned to learn love for positive feelings, I've learned to learn love for people I have things in common with. The real power is, can I learn to love people that I would have perceived of as enemies, can I learn love for the shame in my body? Because when I learn love for the shame, it leaves. Can I learn love for guilt in my body, regret? Can I love my entire past, even parts of it I hate? Can I love that I hate it until it goes? That's what love does, because love dissolves it, and the only factor of what keeps something dark in your body is it's not seen, and to me, seeing it is loving it. The greatest love there is is understanding someone, understanding deeper what's in here, and understanding your partner, your friends, right. And when people do a one on one with me, I do a hot seat with them, and all I do is just understand deeper, and the ego, as I said, always has to make no sense, and if I ask the ego direct questions, it's scared, because it's seen, it's the man behind the curtain, and its whole thing was it stayed dark and hidden, and it was kind of this Kaiser Sose that's going around, but when I keep asking it, okay, what happens if you do do it wrong, you know, it goes, well, then no one will love me, and okay, what happens if that, and then I start making me go, okay, tell, tell the pattern, I love you, even if no one loves me. They start crying, and you start to realize the love of seeing deeper - that's all love is, is seeing and hearing and being interested in deeper. I want to know what's in here, what drives you, that's love. And then someone feels truly seen, they feel so loved, and so I'm in the business of loving my shame, my guilt, being a space for people that have a lot of shame, that made mistakes, that hate themselves, and just letting them know I don't care if they were in jail, like you know, we aren't going to heal this with you shaming yourself, right? No one has ever shamed themselves into a ton of change, in fact, if let's say someone has a porn addiction, this is what they do. A lot of times, they have the porn addiction, and then they go, "Okay, I'm gonna never do it, and I'm not someone, I'm so bad to do it, I shame myself. Well, now you're saying the only way out of this addiction, now you're saying that you put yourself in a shame prison, and the only way out of it is to go back to porn, right? So you can't use shame to do it, you use ascension, you use forgiveness, you use that you're you're more than that, you use that it was a pattern that you forgive that needed that that addiction, and so love transcends patterns, love changes the person, right, and so the more we. Learn to love not just, you know, my football team or the people I have in common with, or whatever, but all that is. The more you alchemize all that is, and the more you'll see the world change, and you'll see even that horrible politician you hate, or that, you know, mother-in-law that never understands. I watch as I heal wounds with opposite people. The next thing I know, they're calling me, right? Like, they'll, they'll call and apologize, or they'll call and forgive, or whatever. And you start to realize, like, okay, that person was in here, and when I find enough love for the person that I was hating, I was at war with me. Now, all of a sudden, I heal it. I have it happen all the time, that all of a sudden that issue changes externally, so that's love, and that love is the love of God, and that love of God to me isn't about good versus evil. It goes, I love even evil, so that it stops being evil, because what made it evil was no one saw it.

Alex Ferrari 2:10:56
But can you tell people if what you're doing, where they can find you and your amazing work, sir?

Kyle Cease 2:11:01
I have so much stuff coming out. Well, I've been really enjoying making courses and making them unreal affordable. I did a course recently on regret. It's called Regret Alchemy: Grieving the Life You Didn't Get to Live. I believe very much that even if we love our life now, we very often use it to interrupt regret, meaning like regret wants to say, man, I really miss the life that I could have had, but I shouldn't feel that way, because I have a kid and I wouldn't have it, and that shuts up the feeling, and so the regret stays there. So we made a beautiful course called Regret Alchemy, Grieving the Life You Didn't Get to Live, that when people can pay whatever they want, other than a $9 minimum, but it's a full course, they can pay it. I have another course called Boundaries, and the course I was telling you about, called Out With the Old, in with the now. That one is another insane course that I could have made 1000 but I made it $20 And also, I'm working with my guy, too. Your people can people watching this can go into, go to Kyle cease.com/courses and you'll see all of my courses at one price. If you put Soul from Next Level Soul in, the prices go down dramatically. So, as I don't know what the prices will be, that's why I'm not saying what it is, but there'll be almost nothing to get courses that are like, you know, like boundaries was 199 that one I know will make it 59 That's a two-day course on boundaries that empaths need this course more than anything, because empaths have a hard time boundary, and because of that, they disconnect themselves from their soul, and they don't know how much they're losing, how much money, and everything. So, go to Kyle cease.com/courses and also just follow me on Instagram, I'm on there the most. But yeah, I am going to be feeling and going deep and on fire in 2026 So I'm so excited to work with your audience. I believe in being the real thing the most that I can and helping people see that they are too.

Alex Ferrari 2:12:55
And the courses that we're doing in Mastery are really something very, very special that we're going to be doing for Next Level Soul, and for people who have Next Level Soul TV, and I'm so excited. And then, of course, if they haven't already, you were, you were one of the very first people I reached out to when I decided to launch Next Level Soul TV, and said, hey, man, do you got some cool stuff that we can put on there, and you've been so beautiful and giving, and you gave us Love Rising, which is Love Rise, nine hour or something like that.

Kyle Cease 2:13:28
Me at the Dolby Theater, yeah, 3400 people, a nine hour event. It was a two day event,

Alex Ferrari 2:13:34
And we have it's like it was shot so beautiful, it's like a Netflix special,

Kyle Cease 2:13:37
It's crazy,

Alex Ferrari 2:13:38
It's beautiful, and your lovely little girls in there too, she makes a little cameo,

Kyle Cease 2:13:42
Dude. You know what's so funny?

Alex Ferrari 2:13:43
Yeah, I was there when it happened.

Kyle Cease 2:13:45
Yeah, you were there when this happened. There's two parts of that Vivi thing. So this was shot when my daughter was one year old, and I had her on my shoulders at one point. It's a thumbnail, it's one of the thumbnails. Yeah, and she comes out and I'm showing her the theater, and I said, I, I said to the audience, I said, I just want to show her this one day to show her she was on stage at the Dolby Theater. So you call me, and we're talking about this course, and then you said, have you put Next Level Soul TV on, and I was like, no, and I put it up on my TV, and I see the chapters, and my daughter, who's eight now, is sitting there, and one of the chapters is her as a baby, and she goes, 'Dad, is that me? And I go, 'Yeah. And so we click it, and I say to her, 'I'm gonna show you you on the stage, and she's watching that moment with you on the phone. It was so amazing little circle, and she was shocked. She's like, she couldn't believe she was in front of that many people, and my team also was showing me a clip they were considering using for Instagram. They made a short.. there's a moment where I say, I say I'm talking about we are triggered by things outside of us because it's triggering things inside of us. And this was the time where I don't remember why it was 2018 but there was a news story. About people being separated from their parents, it might have been in Syria or something like that, and I say kids are very scared to be separated from their parents, and that one moment Vivi from the side goes, "Ah, like she literally only yelled out when I said kids being separated from their parents. It was so miraculous to just like turn over and the camera turns over, and she's there making noise, but she didn't make noise that interrupted a point that didn't have a point about kids and their parents, and I just think that the higher you go up, the more synchronistic things get. Yes, and you start seeing miracles everywhere versus your agenda that it needs to be your weird way that is nothing compared to what God has for you.

Alex Ferrari 2:15:41
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. So we have Love Rising, we have The Limitation Game, which is another event that you gave us. We have a bunch of your meditations,

Kyle Cease 2:15:51
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 2:15:51
On there as well, and we have your film, The Illusion of Money,

Kyle Cease 2:15:54
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 2:15:55
Which I love, love that it's. I love your opening when just

Kyle Cease 2:16:00
Spills,

Alex Ferrari 2:16:00
Yeah, just like,

Kyle Cease 2:16:03
So, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 2:16:05
Do we keep going?

Kyle Cease 2:16:07
Yeah, I'm very proud of that movie. We just made it, and then it was just in things, and I'm like, I kind of use 2020 and beyond to introvert and heal myself, and so we never took the time to shop around it, and I think it could have been a huge hit on Netflix or something, but instead it's on Next Level Soul.

Alex Ferrari 2:16:22
It's, it's on Next Level Soul

Kyle Cease 2:16:24
Be saved for that,

Alex Ferrari 2:16:25
Yeah. And it has been, my friend, it has been. And we also have a your short film, How was it? How evolved people, or

Kyle Cease 2:16:32
How enlightened people road rage?

Alex Ferrari 2:16:34
Genius.

Kyle Cease 2:16:35
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 2:16:36
Genius.

Kyle Cease 2:16:36
Well, I did a sketch like that. I don't know if you ever saw it, maybe,

Alex Ferrari 2:16:40
Yeah,

Kyle Cease 2:16:40
Six years ago

Alex Ferrari 2:16:41
Is that

Kyle Cease 2:16:42
Yeah. How enlightened families argue.

Alex Ferrari 2:16:44
Yes,

Kyle Cease 2:16:45
Because it's really weird the more you go up in awareness, how funny an argument is, because you're just not owning the awareness, you know, like if you've studied Byron Katie, or you know, done inner work, you get that your anger is your stuff. So it's really funny to picture. So, how would enlighten people road rage? So that sketch is on there, but like, yes, I go, I go for a parking spot, JP takes it, and I go, this is so annoying, because I'm under the illusion that that parking spot was mine, because I was sitting there, and I'm, I go and yell at him, and I'm like, I'm under the illusion I should be somewhere other than now, but right now is the only place there is, and people are joining, and, like, hey, you know, I need significance, so I'm gonna join this, and I'm addicted to drama, so I'm gonna stick around, and, like, it's so fun, because, and that got 3.5 million views on my Instagram page,

Alex Ferrari 2:17:32
Yeah, man,

Kyle Cease 2:17:33
Yeah, it was crazy, we had a meditation bundle there, we put that in, made the meditation bundle $20 and 1000s went, and so it's awesome, and yeah, so they get two of us. We're like both, there's two places you can go. Yes, right, kylecease.com/courses and Next Level Soul TV. Yeah, and I'm honored to just be in. I'm only about collaboration, not competition, man. Absolutely, we give to each other, absolute overflow. Absolutely, absolutely, my friend Kyle, it's always a pleasure having you here. And now that you're in Austin, there's the.. I feel that there's going to be more and more of us doing stuff together. I love it here so much, man. I love the community. I love being here. There's just.. it's so freeing to be here, and I love that I'm just down the street from you now. It's great to see you, brother.

Alex Ferrari 2:18:22
Same answer, man.

Kyle Cease 2:18:23
You're a good guy.

Alex Ferrari 2:18:24
Appreciate you, brother. I appreciate you for being here and for everything you're doing to awaken this planet, man. Thank you.

Kyle Cease 2:18:28
Thank you. You too, brother. Have you been struggling, stressing, dealing with so many different things in life, and just feeling so done? What if the problem isn't that you're broken, but that you've been trying too hard to fix yourself for over 15 years. I've been showing people how to stop fixing themselves and start freeing themselves. This course isn't about becoming better or smarter or more spiritual. It's about letting go of the version of you that's been forcing life to work, you'll release the pressure of time. You'll stop outsourcing your truth, and you'll drop the expectations that quietly create suffering. You'll allow your emotions to heal instead of managing them, and you'll realize the world isn't happening to you, it's reflecting you when you stop trying to control life, life starts moving through you. This isn't self-improvement, this isn't motivation, this isn't getting more spiritual. It's freedom. My name is Kyle Cease, and this is Next Level Soul Mastery.