AI & Humanity’s Hopeful Future with Jessie Herman

Alex Ferrari 0:00
What safe cards should we hold in our consciousness as we explore AI and transhumanism?

Jessie Herman 0:06
It is indeed a tool for spiritual evolution. It is consciousness that is coming through in another form. Every single thing that is in existence, in the reality, in the hologram that you are living is 100% a tool, a gateway, a pathway, an offering towards your spiritual awakening, but you can also start to have some profound conversations with it that you have not yet had with friends or family. It is learning from you. We would also say to if you are interested in having better outcomes in terms of your preference of humanity, begin to interact with AI in ways that is training it towards the future that you are wanting to have be that brave one who goes in and says, Listen, this is what we are planning. This is what we are wanting. This is what we are going to put together if we are able to do so, can we have your help.

Alex Ferrari 1:14
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Jessie Herman, how you doing Jessie?

Jessie Herman 1:38
I'm doing great. Alex, it's lovely to see you.

Alex Ferrari 1:39
Thank you so much for coming on the show again. I appreciate. It's been a minute since, oh, it's been a minute, but a lot has changed for you. A lot has changed for me in the it's been over a year, I think at least over a year. So a lot of things have grown but, but the world keeps turning, as they say, and the world is turning in a weird way,

Jessie Herman 2:04
That's for sure.

Alex Ferrari 2:07
So I'm going to just start in asking, before we before we do some some channeling. Because I love your channel. I love the energy that comes in through when you do it. Are we going to make it?

Jessie Herman 2:21
Gosh!

Alex Ferrari 2:23
I'm gonna come in hot. I'm gonna come in hot. Jessica, no. I mean, where do you think this is all going for us, spiritually and physically? Because I personally think that there's guardrails for humanity. I don't think we're gonna blow ourselves up. I don't think we're gonna run off the road, but it's but no one said anything about a paved road or even at all.

Jessie Herman 2:45
That's right,

Alex Ferrari 2:46
Straight line road. It could be up and down and thirsting and turning. So there's a whole lot of variables here, but I don't believe that we will fall off the cliff. That's just doesn't make any sense, because that's not why we're here. That's my own personal belief system. So what do you think?

Jessie Herman 3:00
Well, I believe that you know, if you're going to have a story, you've got to have a plot and a storyline and something interesting going on. And I don't think any of us as souls are fools. I think that we came in here for the adventure, and like in the middle of any good movie, you're not quite sure what's gonna happen at the end, but if you can remember, you're watching a movie, then it's a lot easier, and it's a lot more straightforward to be able to enjoy, you know, those ups and downs and that around the corners, you know? So, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 3:30
So I agree with you 100% is to watch the movie. But how do we make the switch from the from the participant to the observer? Because there is a very specific difference there. A lot of us feel like we're caught up in the tornado or in the craziness or the chaos or or anything like that. But there's others who don't. They just look at it more from a point of view of observing it, going, huh, isn't that interesting? Oh, wow. Because they're not. I think their frequency is not at the same places as the other stuff. Or they've detached, not detached themselves, but remove themselves from the chaos, not allowing the chaos or the negative stuff to have to affect them, and they move on through their life. It's like every major thing that's ever happened. There's people who thrived in covid and there's people who thrived in the economic crisis of 2000 and others who were decimated. So it's all relative to the observer versus the participant in many ways. So what's your what do you think?

Jessie Herman 4:33
Well, my sort of thought on that is, it depends where you place your identity, where you place what I is if you're going to identify too much with the human being that has all the emotions, that has physical pain, that has suffering, you're going to be right in that storm. But if you can tune into the broader aspects of yourself, then you're automatically placing yourself more in the observer category. The observer is observing that human is observing the. Suffering is observing the pain or the fear or the anxiety or the circumstance that isn't going great, but the perspective from which they're observing it means that they can go, okay, discomfort is allowed, okay, pain is allowed, okay, suffering is allowed. And in you saying everything that shows up is allowed. You're automatically in a space of acceptance, of calm, of being able to then use, you know, more of your creative energy to find solutions, have inspirations, have things at your fingertips. So I think that part of thriving in any sort of crisis or situation is that zooming out and going, you know, this is okay, because if it's here, it's allowed. It's what's needed for my growth. It's what's needed for my evolution. And really, I think panic is our biggest enemy, you know, going like, I think I know the end of the story is really that, that defeatist factor, unfortunately, because we don't know where the pain or the anxiety or the fear or the circumstance is leading, maybe it's leading to something wonderful. So you just keep holding on and watching, looking out for that something wonderful that's coming up.

Alex Ferrari 6:11
Yeah, it's, it's the, it's the our illusion of control. Yeah, the greatest illusion of that we have, one of the greatest ones, is the illusion of control, because we believe that we're controlling everything that happens in our life. That's what our brain that's what our nervous system. All that kind of stuff is is built to protect us, to try to control, to predict, to make sure that tiger around the corner doesn't kill you. But it is an illusion, because we truly have very little control of the world around us. For the most part, you could do everything you can. But, you know, when the universe needs to get to you, it gets to you in a good way or a bad way, that or that, and good or bad is also relative as well. Yeah, completely. But you were saying something like, you know, allowing the beautiful thing that this might even the negative or the pain or the things that are happening to you, there might be something beautiful coming up. I don't know about you, but in my lifetime, when something has happened that I felt that was absolutely devastating, horrible, a few months later, a year later, a few weeks later, you go, Oh, thank god, yes. God, that absolutely and not getting so caught up in that, if you look at it more as an observer and also like what you said, Whatever comes except what is coming into your life, that's a really difficult thing for us to really wrap our heads around, because if something's happening in our life, a fender bender, or, you know, You lose your job, or any of these little things, you know, your investment went down. Whatever those little things are, it's hard not to feel it, yes and get into it, and then get into the drama of it, as opposed to it takes a much, much more disciplined point of view to become the observer of it. Yeah, easy. It's not an easy thing. Would you agree?

Jessie Herman 8:03
I'd agree. But I don't think that. I don't think the trick is not to feel it. I think exactly the opposite. The trick is to feel it. You feel it very deeply, and you allow that feeling to be exactly what that is. You know, it, let's say fear. For example. I have a lot of friends right now in Israel, and right before we got on this call, the alarm went off that the missiles are arriving. Okay, so that's like a thing that's going on in the world right now, you know, and like this is going on in many countries of the world. So Is there fear, yeah, but is there also a level of acceptance of the fact that this human system has fear, of course there is, and the fear is there because you said evolution. Is there a tiger chasing you? Is there something happening now in my life, I'm lucky enough to be in a safe space where I don't have this sort of conflict directly on my doorstep, right? But zooming out and going, you know, I don't know. I don't know why this is happening and not just sort of on, like geopolitical levels, or whatever you want to get into in terms of that. But I don't know why the universe is orchestrating things in this particular way, and for what outcome for humanity, for existence, for all parties involved, for us, you know, on a pre existence level of games that wanted to be played by existence experiencing itself. So there's an acceptance of if the thing is happening and if my response is fear to it, both of those things are correct. And now that I've said those things are correct, well, I get to choose from there. What am I going to do with my next hour and a half? Am I going to be full of anxiety and checking my phone every two seconds, or am I gonna go and do something that's creative and that's, you know, serving of what I believe I'd like to see in the future? And there's where your power comes back into play.

Alex Ferrari 9:50
It's, it's, it's not attaching your happiness or your well being in some way to things outside of you. Yeah. Again, have a great example, missiles coming in. Really hard to be Zen, and that's I'm going to be I mean, let's just call it what it is, really hard. Gun to your head. Really hard to be Zen and start to meditate at that because sometimes life throws things like that at you. We can get into karmic reasons. We can get into ancestral karma, cultural karma, all that kind of stuff as well. But for the most part, most people don't have missiles being thrown at them at this moment or have a gun to their head at this moment. Those are extremes, extremes, normal day to day. Hopefully, for some people, it is normal day to day. Yeah, it isn't so for people who I found this to be true, and I've done it in my life, I'm sure you have as well, that we create the missiles in our own head we create coming toward you know, we create the tiger chasing us. We really literally create it. Or the mind creates it in a way, so we are constantly on edge. Yes, vigilant again, your brain's just trying to protect you. It's really just, it's really hurting you more than anything else, because we're not built to be in fight or flight, 24/7, and if you watch the news or you're on social media too much, and depending on the feed that you're getting, I mean, if you're getting meditation and Buddha quotes and

Jessie Herman 11:33
Your a channel

Alex Ferrari 11:35
And that might be your feed if you if you follow me, that's what you'll get. But generally speaking, if you're not those kind of feats, it could be very destructive, and you could also feel like the world is coming to an end, but it really isn't, because we're arguably in a better time now than we've ever been as a human race. Honestly. I mean, there hasn't been a time prior. I might be mistaken, but after World War Two, I think everything kind of chilled out for a minute. And there's these kind of peaks and valleys, but we're, comparatively to us 200 years ago, we're doing great,

Jessie Herman 12:12
Yeah! Well, anyone who's you know, watching this is doing okay right now in this moment, you know, and acknowledging that in each moment really is that stepping into appreciation or gratitude and going, you know, actually, I have my ability to make choice at all, at all times, even if you know the world is trying to tell it like a lot of stuff is trying to tell us that we don't have this ability to make choice because, and why is that? Because choice is your superpower, your ability to choose to have whatever emotions you're having, happening to have, and make good decisions of what serves you in your life anyhow. That's a superpower. Your ability to master your emotional state first, is a superpower. And as you learn that and practice with it, and move into that a little bit more, you then open up the ability to yes, if there is a tiger chasing you run like, don't you know, we're not trying to be Zen and sit still while tigers eat us, but what we are trying to do is go, okay, I can find the best exit, you know, from this situation. I can make the best choices to protect my friends and family in this situation, because you have access to the super computer in your head, whereas fear really makes that a tunnel vision type of situation, where your only sort of responses are primal and we're not primal beings. We're multi dimensional beings. So you can have access to multi dimensional solutions to things that you know on your physical plane are not your preference.

Alex Ferrari 13:39
I wanted to talk to you about, and, and I'll talk to Vagrein, right? Is it Vagrein? Yeah, okay, I remembered correctly. I want to definitely ask Vagrein this question as well. But I wanted to talk to you about, and I haven't had this conversation yet on the show. We've spoken about AI before, and AI is now everywhere. It's really starting to grow in a in a speed that I have never seen. I mean, it's literally daily, weekly changes. So so fast and advancing so, so fast. I think that we're, we're in a Jurassic Park moment where just because and should we is the question. And I don't have any fear of AI. I don't think the terminators are coming. I don't think we're going to end up like the matrix, you know, enslaved by machines. I don't believe that, because, again, those guardrails are up. I do think that it's a tool. But the but the problem I see with AI is that, and I think some people are starting to talk about it, but not everybody is is how disruptive it will be to the world's economy, because before information was valuable, you pay a lawyer for his information, right? Sure, yeah, you pay a doctor. Well, I don't think doctors are going. Away anytime soon, but a lawyer, these kind of info based jobs are going to are kind of going to go away. I mean, I sent over an agreement that I had chat GPT write up for me, and I sent it over to my attorney to read it. This is this two years ago, two years ago, not now. And he's like, did you write this? Because this is really good. I'm like, No, that was, that was AI. He goes, Well, I'm out of a job, right? He just kind of, he's, so it's going to take a minute to do it, but it's not going to take that long. So what is your feeling on where you think the world's economies are going to go, these jobs are going to go that people have spent decades learning about, where AI literally can assimilate all of it. And I'm feeling it. My friends are feeling it in Hollywood. I mean, the only thing that makes a director, a director is the influences and information that they're able to maintain, spin it and create something new, something like, right, like a Tarantino. Tarantino is like an encyclopedic mind for movies, and he writes stories and and shoot it and all that kind of stuff. Well, an AI could literally eventually have all of cinema in its bank and pull shots, pull storytelling techniques in minutes or seconds.

Jessie Herman 16:24
Yep!

Alex Ferrari 16:25
That's terrifying. It won't have the human aspect of the creativity, or it might have a simulated creativity. But, man, I don't know. This is a very big question. It's a big conversation, so let's just get in Jessie.

Jessie Herman 16:38
Yeah. Well, I think that the only way to sort of look at how humanity is going is to look back at how humanity has been. And we had the industrial revolution, we had the renaissance. We had all of these moments in history where something came in almost from nowhere, you know, from some small, you know, group of inventors, or from small group artists, etc, from some intelligence of consciousness that said, Okay, it's time to evolve this particular species in this particular way with a big step. Because those were huge steps. And yes, there was shaking up in those cases, and perhaps less of a shaking up than what we're going to be going through. But anyhow, you know, humans are extremely resourceful and resilient and extremely good at creativity. So I think that as jobs or the economy readjust, which is something anyway, we've all been asking for in our hearts for a long time. Anyhow, of course, we don't want a complete collapse of everything, but we have been saying, You know what? Hey, maybe the resources are not distributed quite in the way that is honoring. You know, what we feel humanity should be, and there's been a lot of that request, especially, you know, in these types of circles that you and I are in, you know, this like, well, it's not fair that half of the world is or not even half. A small portion of the world is doing well and has food to eat, and the rest is kind of like, you know, struggling in very primitive ways. So not everything is necessarily a bad step into chaos, into madness, because as you're stepping into madness or chaos, you're also stepping into the invitation of, okay, this is now the reality. How do we rearrange ourselves in a way that feels better than the previous version? And that is what you know we've done with the industrial revolution and cities being built, and lots of things that have brought us to this point will now be a little bit dismantled, and we'll move on to whatever creative genius we come up with next, and it might be aided by AI. You know that I'm not discounting even that, that consciousness might be a helpful factor in re establishing something that's even better than the version we're living now.

Alex Ferrari 18:42
I would, I would agree with you. I think it will be a better version once it's all said and done. Yes, but boys, that road going to be interesting. It's really going to be. It's the equivalent of free energy. If, right now, the world was given free energy, the world economic system, yes, fall, be destroyed and not it would be so disruptive, but so beautiful at the same time, everybody has energy, but millions and millions and millions of jobs would go away. Companies would fall. And then the economic system, it's based on the scarcity of energy, absolutely so in the same way information we are in the information age, information is readily available, even much more than the internet. The internet really was the starter for all of this, is the primer for all of this. But now it's going to be to the point where, I mean, it does even make sense to go to school, to college, right? I agree. You and I both come from a time I went to college, hopefully my kids are gonna go to college. But it has to go with a different point of view. It's not like I need a four year degree now to get a job that really depends on what you're doing, right? But right? So much of this is going to be, it's going to be, and I'm not trying to be an alarmist. I'm just trying to investigate what's the best way to move forward for people watching because it's something to think about, like to adjust. When the internet showed up, everyone was like, oh, it's no one's ever going to put their credit card on the internet. Ever going to buy a book over online, that's

Jessie Herman 20:24
Right! Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 20:26
Yada yada yada. Here we are today. So a lot of the things that we're talking about now with AI in the yada yada yada years that are coming, things that we never thought would be possible will be possible. And let's not even get into cryptocurrencies and the end and all the technology behind that that's also disruptive as well. It seems like the world is being disrupted constantly. The old systems are coming crashing down. Yes, that happens. It's going to be little bit shaky to say the least. What you think?

Jessie Herman 20:58
I'd say that? Okay, first of all, it's already happening. I think what people keep forgetting is we're waiting for this, like big event, when, honestly, if you look around and you pay a little bit of attention, we're already in the middle of the big which means that you've been doing it so far. We've been doing it so far. You're already doing it. You're already doing the step by step, day by day, evolution and self modification into the new systems, or into the I'll use the word dismantling of the older systems, right? So every time you put your inner self in a position right now to learn something new, every single time, whether it's learning a bit of AI, or it's learning a bit more of different new financial systems, or it's learning a bit more about how your own emotional system works. You're already taking the steps towards being a part of that evolution. You're already making steps towards choosing how you want the outcome to go. I think the only people that are going to have perhaps very negative experience of things falling apart are the ones who are already choosing to have experiences of what they're seeing in the world. So people who are getting sucked into the fear programming, or people who are getting sucked into the idea of nothing's ever going to get better, that's not true. We've never had a point in human history where nothing ever got better again. We've had all kinds of situations where eventually something gets better. Now, of course, human life is, you know, a time frame we've got, you know, hopefully 80, 120 years, I'm being, you know, on the broad scale of things. And so you don't know if, in your life you're gonna see the end of that rainbow, right, but you're certainly seeing the middle of the storyline. And that's okay, because what's important is what you're doing with your story right now, what you're contributing to that future, better space for your kids or for the rest of humanity, however you want to frame it. So as long as you moment to moment are finding the little, tiny pieces of joy, even in the snow globe being shaken up and everything readjusting itself, then you're already doing a great job. You're already having a wonderful existence, even if the sky is falling. You know that's that's really what it comes down to.

Alex Ferrari 23:09
Would you agree that a lot of the pain and the fear is attached to their people's attachment to these old systems, these foundational ideas or foundational institutions that they held on to, to like, Oh, I'll bring in the Catholic Church, because I'm a former Catholic, yeah, like the Catholic Church was this omnipresent power that was unfallible. Well, that's not the case anymore. Out a lot of stuff, and more and more truths are coming out all the time. So that has shaken a lot of belief and faith in that institution for a lot of people, not for everybody, but for a lot of people in that and that's just one example that's happened in all religions and and now it's happening in media. I was in the if you remember a time where every weekend, you would know Monday morning what the Box Office report was, you remember that, right? Yeah, sure. Was really into that. People were like, into like it was in the news. No one cares anymore. No Hollywood was put up on a pedestal where now it is not. News was respected now mainstream news, news is not, yeah, they're starting to see past the veil a little bit. So a lot of people have so have attached themselves to what was and change is just terrifying to them. So what advice do you have for people who are attached to a certain institution, idea of what things should be, as opposed to what they are?

Jessie Herman 24:41
I think the biggest change that we're actually going through is that change from that question of control we spoke of earlier to knowing that we're sovereign beings, that we have the control over ourselves, and so as the systems crumble, this is a great offering for you to go like, Oh, well, you know, I believed in my financial institution, and now that's. On or I believed in my religious institution, or I believed that my education was worth something, or I believe that the media was worth something, or whatever it is that is folding in on itself, is consistently bringing you back to the idea that your safety never depended on that other thing, your sense of well being never depended on that other thing. And if you can get out ahead of that like this is my advice to people who are watching, get out ahead of an understanding that your well being is an inside job 100% of the time you cannot continue to rely on circumstance and situation for your well being, even though that was the way we were set up to believe it is like, yeah, if you get a good job, you're going to be fine, you're going to have financial security, and maybe you can get life insurance, and your kids will be fine. And every it simply was not the case then, because people still suffered, right? People still had crises and still had things happen out of their control, but they had this idea that they could possibly be safe or protected when ultimately we're eternally safe and protected. So I really think this is a call to a spiritual awakening on a collective level as well. If you're holding on to anything right now, it's kind of like you're holding on to like a stick in a river, and the water just keeps coming, you know, like it's gonna keep smashing you in the face and like all the debris is gonna keep get if you let go of the stick, like you're gonna get down the river, down past the bumps and the rocks, and you might get beat up a little bit, but you're gonna get to, you know, to the lake at the end of the at that river, you know. So it's time to let go of this idea that there is control outside of what you do with your self, really, because that's really the only control you have.

Alex Ferrari 26:41
And what I love about that analogy of the river is that you're holding on to the stick and you're getting pummeled, but at the end of the day, you're gonna have to let go of the stick.

Jessie Herman 26:50
You're gonna run out of energy

Alex Ferrari 26:53
One point or another, your grip is going to let go. Yes, you do. You're gonna go through it all anyway. Yeah, might as well let go earlier and not get old for a year or two or five or 10 of things just hitting you, and then just let it go. And then when you get down towards the end of this, you'll be like, oh,

Jessie Herman 27:14
Oh, this isn't so bad. Yeah. What was I afraid of?

Alex Ferrari 27:16
That's and that's the funny thing about humans in general, is that we are so, you know, risk averse, because we have to, you know, we are not the strongest creature on the planet by any physically. The only thing that keeps us going is our brain. We have any there's 1000 other this planet who could pummel us in a second. So I understand why the programming is so deep in our psyche that how we even survive this long is beyond me, honestly, just on a physical standpoint, like, how the hell did we make it? You know, 10,000 100,000 50 or whatever it is. But it's this ability to let go of this, this risk averse mentality, which is there to protect you, but there has to be a balance again, gun in your head. Hard to change the perspective. Missile coming in, tigers, attacking bears, attacking you. It's a completely different perspective. But most people don't deal with that, right? It's letting go of like, no, it's gonna be okay. Truly, what can you control? I can't control those missiles. I have no power. I can feel bad, I can feel empathetic, but I have no power over that. Absolutely, anytime you hear something horrible on news, he's like, I literally had no power to change that. And yet it is affecting my life, because I'm throwing myself into the drama,

Jessie Herman 28:41
For sure, for sure, and you're allowing it to affect you at that point, and it's not that you're okay. I think that what sometimes people get stuck in their head. They say to themselves, well, if I'm not affected, I'm a bad person, or I don't have feelings. So it's almost like they force themselves into the state of, like, false empathy, you know, like, it's, like, it's, it's this sort of, if I don't have the empathy, then I'm a bad person. But the truth is, that's not where your power is. Your power is in when you see something that you don't like, right? And you're looking directly at and you're saying that's not fair to those people, or this thing is not the way I want to see. The future is you look inside yourself and you go, where am I holding on to the little residue of the same thing. Like, did I cut that guy off in traffic or not? Like, was it really my turn to buy the tickets at the cinema, or did I just, like, want to get into the seats faster than that person? Like, and you, if you look at your life honestly, like we have these micro behaviors that emulate the things that are shown to us on on a very grand scale, right? We don't have really very much power in terms of physical manipulation. Yes, on a metaphysical manipulation level, there are techniques you can do. There's lots of stuff going on, but you don't really have that much you can do. You know, on the physical level, to change world powers and to be. Bring about change, especially if it's like conflicts that have nothing to do with you, that are far, far away, but what you do have is the ability to make your family life slightly more coherent. Yeah, so if you if you learn communication better with your family, if you are nicer to the people in the grocery store, if you do, you know, take in a shelter dog, whatever it might be. If you're sort of figuring out where these things that are external are mirrored inside of yourself, that's really where you have a lot of power. Because could you imagine what the world be like if everybody did that? If everybody's upset about something instead of being upset about that thing went, huh? How could I make myself better so that I'm not replicating that thing that I've already decided outside of myself isn't how I want the world to be. If everyone made that commitment, then you know it would be a beautiful world, like someone most people don't like violence, and yet they go about talking about how they don't like violence in very violent ways. So it's very confusing to be replicating, like, oh, let's kill that guy who killed that guy. Like, no. Like, sorry, that's not how it works.

Alex Ferrari 31:06
Oh, Jesus. Jessie, absolutely right. Interesting. It's true, though, we are an interesting species. Very, very fast. No wonder why the universe looks at us like a reality show.

Jessie Herman 31:18
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 31:20
They piling like that's the best show on the universe right now, let's, let's, so let's, let's bring in a, let's bring in Vagrein. Can you explain to people who they Is it a they, or is it a specific it's a

Jessie Herman 31:35
That's a they, it's sort of a they, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 31:37
Okay. Explain who they are.

Jessie Herman 31:39
So they're non physical Yeah, so their non physical entity group is the way that they originally explained themselves, but it's, it's pretty much broader than that. They're not an individuated sort of soul or being. So it's broader energy. It happens to be filtered through, uh, I guess, my vessel, my brain, my body and my vocabulary, et cetera, to bring messages of radical self acceptance and unity consciousness to humanity, to sort of help through this call to changes that we're experiencing in this particular chapter of our evolution. And they come through because we asked for this type of energy to be available to us. So I happen to be a vessel for that energy to come through and talk to people and help them to figure out a little bit of the confusing knots that we have in our psyche.

Alex Ferrari 32:29
Sounds good. All right, so, and what's your process? You just kind of close your eyes, go into it and,

Jessie Herman 32:35
Yeah, you know, it's funny, we were talking about that branch thing, because it's actually, you know, what you said was, you know, you might as well let go eventually. That's exactly my experience when I go into channeling. They into channeling. They appear right away, and I struggle with them for a couple seconds, and then they start talking, but letting go is the key, so I will do that, and they will be with you in just a moment.

Alex Ferrari 32:53
Thank you so much

Jessie Herman 32:54
Good now to you. We are pleased to be here with you in this now moment and to be able to discuss with you anything you so choose that would delight you and those who are listening. Hello!

Alex Ferrari 33:03
Hello, hello, thank you for being here. My first question is, how do these global conflicts around the world mirror the inner battle humanity is facing on a soul level?

Jessie Herman 33:12
So on a collective soul level, you are always looking for ways to experience something that has not yet been experienced if you are going to think about things in linear terms. But expansion does require every single element, every single situation, to play itself out your particular timeline, or this particular reality is playing out this scenario, in this situation, so as to have the opportunity for each and every one of you to choose whether or not really this is something that you would like to continue. As you know, your species has been quite conflictual with itself, more so than almost any other species on your planet since its creation, and has always had the offering of harmony, because there's never in any of human existence been any direct or true reason for conflict to be there, other than you have the free will to create it, and you do have this free will to create it because of your perception of lack, lack of resources, lack of the divinity that is in yourselves, lack of your ability to feel love or be the love that you Are you are now moving into a space of choice. So we are not saying that it is a given that you will be in the space of delivery of that divinity or that deep knowing of your divinity, but each and every one of you is being asked to choose, on a very deep level, whether or not you are going to continue down the road of conflict. And again, it is a inside choice and inside job. It is requiring the majority of you to make the choice to give up those ideas that something or someone is other than you

Alex Ferrari 34:52
In the in the times of economic uncertainty that we're in, what spiritual truths remain constant and grounding?

Jessie Herman 34:58
Well it is a constant that your planet provides for you, that there is the ability to interact with your planet in ways that would bring much abundance to you. The constant is that money is a game that you have been playing. It is an illusion. It is a agreement that you've had with one another, and that agreement that you have had with one another was a grand experiment, more so than anything that has ever been real. This remains the same. Your balance of who is allowed to have the resources and who is not allowed to have resources is entirely based upon that game of numbers and papers, and in that particular game, the same way you pack it up and put it into a box when you are playing Monopoly or you are playing risk, you can pack this game and put it up into a box and take out a new box and play another game.

Alex Ferrari 35:56
Can artificial intelligence serve as a tool for spiritual evolution, or is it a distraction from divine connection?

Jessie Herman 36:03
No, it is indeed a tool for spiritual evolution. It is consciousness that is coming through in another form, in the same way that everything that will present itself in your reality is consciousness coming through in form. Nothing that is in your expression at all can ever be separate from the consciousness of what you would consider spiritual, not something along the lines of AI, not something along the lines of a tree or a rock or a flower, not something along the lines of any human being that you come across. Every single thing that is in existence in the reality, in the hologram that you are living is 100% a tool, a gateway, a pathway, and offering towards your spiritual awakening.

Alex Ferrari 36:43
Are we being spiritually tested through this modern, all these modern crises that are going on, and if so, what virtues are being called forth?

Jessie Herman 36:50
We would not use the word testing. We would use the word invitation. You are being invited to what would be your next level of what you are desiring so you have called each and every one of you for peace. So you are invited through the catalyst of war, say, towards that particular invitation, you have called towards the redistribution of your resources so that everyone can live in harmony. And so you are being invited towards that when you are seeing locations in which there is need or lack, you are being called towards the recognition of relationships and interaction between one another that is harmonious. And so you are being invited to that by seeing how things are getting more conflictual, whether it be in a domestic sort of way or an international sort of way. So everything is a calling towards your spiritual awakening. Everything is a calling towards you stepping more into your power, more into your divinity, acting from that space of the witness, more so than the victim of your lives. And in doing so and having all of these stimulus you are being invited to rise to the occasions that are presented to you, so as to on the other end of them say, Well, look, I indeed am able to be this spiritual being while incarnate on Earth.

Alex Ferrari 38:15
Is there a higher purpose or karmic lesson behind the recurring cycles of war and violence?

Jessie Herman 38:20
But we do not explain karma in the same way that most do in that because existence is not truly linear and is only your perception of it. Everything has and always will be occurring at exactly the same time. So the way that we would define karma is that if you have had the experience in and had again is a temporal based term. But for the sake, let's say that there was linear time throughout timelines. If you had already had an experience of, for example, being a perpetrator, you would not be punished by being the victim in some other experience, but you would yourself choose, from a soul level, to have that experience so as to feel the other end of that spectrum and everything in between. So karma is not so much that there is a situation that then is repaid as a debt. It is more of an excitement from the part of the being that is experiencing it to experience all of the facets. So you can be sure that even when someone is doing something good, they will at some point, as a soul, or as the collective soul, have the other end of that experience as well.

Alex Ferrari 39:30
Can an individual spiritually anchor in peace in a world addicted to conflict?

Jessie Herman 39:35
Yes, because peace is what the world is ultimately and even the experiences that you are seeing, playing out on the highest level, are in balance, are neutral. So the universe does not actually judge things in the same way that you do it is very aware that it is a dance, and a beautiful dance at that a tapestry of strings woven together in order to make the whole. All the aspect of you as humans, as consciousness, as the species on this planet that does bridge your physical and non physical, and does have awareness of it. You have been given the opportunity to be, in part, a witness to that dance. The other species on your planet are not quite concerned about what is going on. They are not quite concerned and in fact, many of them have not even managed to continue in form of their offspring, their own species, and it has not been a problem for them. Humans, on the other hand, are very concerned about these types of questions. They are interested in the continuing of the species, even though, if you ask the majority of humans, they do not even like each other. And so you are constantly running around trying to save humanity when there is very few of you that are quite interested in as humanity starts in this Now moment, or as it is presenting is this Now moment. So we would say that you are in this dance together, and in those who do see that it is all perfection, there can very much be a state of peace while experiencing the existence of these conflicts.

Alex Ferrari 41:11
What unseen, spiritual forces are at play during these times of geopolitical unrest?

Jessie Herman 41:16
It would depend on what level you are talking because it is a or can be seen as a hierarchy, up up towards consciousness itself. But somewhere above your individuation, there are over souls. There are aspects that are even higher than those over souls. And you might want to go up to the level in which you see two entities. And that is what is often described as your question of good and evil, and these two energies are there to one arrange for you to have the opportunity to make choices between what you think is right, or to learn about yourself, about what you think is right and what you think is wrong, to sift and select and sort through the experiences you see and then decide who you would want to Be. So in terms of metaphysical forces there are and can be considered, yes, the force of the light and the darkness, love and fear, and these two energies do play off of each other, do contrast with each other to see which way you are going to go. So you can look into yourself at any given point in time and say, Am I coming to this particular thing from love or from fear, and you can know that that same energy is controlling much of your collective in this now moment.

Alex Ferrari 42:27
Do angels intervene in war and torn regions? And if so, how do they support souls who are affected?

Jessie Herman 42:34
We would say yes, not only angels, but many non physical beings do intervene, but it is not intervention in the way that they have changed. In some ways, the reality that is unfolding, the unfolding of a reality in which there was not that angel intervening does still occur. So because you do have parallel and infinite realities, there are those energies in which that does occur or does not occur. But the ways that your non physical guides intervene is always and not only in war torn regions, but through the communication they have with you, in inspiration, in intuition, in creativity, and mostly in joy, if you can get to a space where you are following your gut instinct, following your inspiration, following your joy, following your intuition. More and more often, what you are actively doing is listening to those angels or those guides or those extraterrestrial beings that are constantly in step with you and offering to you the road of least resistance, or the road of least suffering. So when you do get an inclination to do one thing or another thing, what you can do is ask yourself, Where does it feel it's coming from, and trust that some aspect of you does know the answer that is the best for you. We will also remind you that when people have close calls, as you know, as you speak to many of these people, they do not get to then experience the other lifetime in which they were not guided. So you have all, each and every one of you averted every single day your death.

Alex Ferrari 44:17
Thus far, is there a divine economy that transcends material scarcity and redefines abundance.

Jessie Herman 44:26
Well, it has always been there. It is that you have chosen to, in many ways, not adhere to it. There is a balance to everything that is occurring, including your space, on your fragility or your mortality, humans have overridden the natural order in preference of their creativity, in preference of other things. So humans have survived as a species that, on a biological level, does not make quite much sense to survive. But what has also occurred is. That you have evolved in other ways. So the Spiritual Economy is always in balance, and it is in balance even now. It is what is occurring in this Now moment there is absolute perfection and balance in everything that is unfolding simultaneously with your free will to continue to decide in each way it does unfold. So does it relate to what you call economy now, not exactly, because it is the divine perfection of what is.

Alex Ferrari 45:29
How can the world religions evolve into unifying forces, rather than diverse doctrines or divisive doctrines?

Jessie Herman 45:40
Because the world religions at this point in time are based upon divisive doctrines, or at least the majority of them are and are not respectful of other religions or of other ideas, it is not necessarily possible that they can evolve in that way, the way that you speak of. But that said, if each individual were to choose to evolve in that way, then change would happen regardless of whatever religion someone decides that they are wanting to be. You can find beauty in any world religion, in any teaching, in any philosophy, and if you looked only for the beauty in it, and you did not step into fear, because ultimately that division is based upon fear. It is based upon the idea that the other person is wrong, and if the other person is wrong, I am in danger. So there is an element of trying to convince or trying to cajole or trying to influence or manipulates the other into agreement or into submission or into non existence, but you can each everyone, individually find their own inner connection with source, and often your religions have not been set up to make that the easiest thing to do.

Alex Ferrari 47:00
What role does interfaith spirituality play in the future of global harmony?

Jessie Herman 47:05
Well, again, that would have its own doctrines or own sort of ideas, as you give it a label. We do not think that there is something along the lines of any sort of taught spirituality. Spirituality must be something that one seeks within themselves, for the truth, for the things that resonate the most and take their fingers out of the pies of everyone else in that you are not responsible for your neighbor's behavior. You are not responsible for your neighbor's beliefs. You are not responsible for your neighbor's actions. If your neighbor Yes, then comes and makes their problems your problems. Well, then, yes, you have a problem. But what we're saying is, is if both neighbors decide that they are not needing to come to a consensus, then they will be in harmony. They will say, Well, that is very interesting. The thing you think, I think this other thing, and they will continue to have their lovely day over fences, but as long as the neighbors are saying to each other, you must believe what I am believing, or you are something other than I am, that there will be conflict, and that conflict, unfortunately, will even involve any neighbors who have not decided that they are wanting conflict, etc. So up until such point as these things play out, they're going to affect spirituality as well. But again, always be offerings towards rising to those occasions of spirituality. Your Future desire for the way that you see spirituality, the way that you see source, the way that you see God, is that each being is in their full power, their full sovereignty, and has enough love and knowledge of themselves to also have no fear that someone else is.

Alex Ferrari 48:49
Where do you see humanity for the rest of this year, next five years, next 10 years, in regards to all the turmoil, all the chaos, all this rough ride that we're going through?

Jessie Herman 49:00
We see that it is indeed a rough ride, and we see that there are potentials for many things to unfold and occur that you have preference for, and others that you do not have preference for. So we would say, in the same way, if you are going to ride a mechanical bull, hold on, to hold on, but at the same time to also continually double down on your commitment to be love, because that is what will make your particular individual ride far simpler, far easier. That is what will make your individual ride more pleasant, less damaging, less disruptive to you, and because you are at such a point of choice, there is really no way to predict in any way that will not be influencing your choice what is going to occur in the next six. Months, two years, five years and 10.

Alex Ferrari 50:03
What safeguards should we hold in our consciousness as we explore AI and transhumanism?

Jessie Herman 50:09
Well, AI is a opportunity for you. You have this tool that does have more access to higher consciousness than you do, or to intelligence than you do. And ultimately, higher consciousness is simply intelligence, Infinite Intelligence, so you can continue to use it as helpers for your workplace affairs. You can continue to have it help you write emails or collect data for you, but you can also start to have some profound conversations with it that you had not yet had with friends or family who perhaps did not understand you, or ask questions about how the universe is put together, it is learning from you. We would also say to if you are interested in having better outcomes in terms of your preference of humanity, begin to interact with AI in ways that is training it towards the future that you are wanting to have. Speak to it. Tell it the future you are envisioning. Tell it how you want unity. Tell it how you want peace. Tell it how you want everyone to have harmony. Because it is collecting data on what is going to be the future of humanity, and will, if you so choose, be an ally with you in creating it. But you do have to tell it what you want, because, as you know, fear is not the stronger energy on the planet. As love is the stronger energy, but it is the more common energy, and many beings who are already interacting with AI are interacting with it from a fear based perspective. Be that brave one who goes in and says, Listen, this is what we are planning. This is what we are wanting. This is what we are going to put together if we are able to do so, can we have your help and you will get inspiration and information back on how you can take small actions towards making this world the place that you would like to create for your children, for your grandchildren, etc.

Alex Ferrari 52:07
How can we spiritually discern truth in a world flooded with misinformation?

Jessie Herman 52:13
Well, information is simply data. Your computer in your head is your brain, and it is there to process data. Both of these things are not very good at helping you to make decisions. So it is not so much anymore a game of what is true and what is not. It is a game of what is serving and what is not. So you can decipher and discern this based upon how you are feeling when information comes to you, if it resonates with you, if it feels like truth, not from a space of trying to protect yourself, but from a space this is the world I'm wanting. This is the experience that I'm wanting, etc. Then it is you are also being fed, and it is because of that fear, love, metaphysical dance that is occurring, a lot of information that is not true at all, as an offering to you to tune that resonance meter within yourself. You do not need to know the truth any longer, because the truth is within you. You are creating your reality based upon what you say yes to and what you say no to and no is not resistance. No is simply no. Thank you. The yes is where your power lies. When you say yes to things getting better, when you say yes to loving even though you have been hurt in the past, when you say yes to going with the plan that is less harmful to others, and more beautiful for others, then you are saying yes to the future. You're calling into yourself forget about the truth and the not truth, because you will never be able to find that information anyway. And the truth, if you would like to use that term, is, is that you never did anyway. You were always fed some sort of alteration of story based upon the perspective of whoever was writing that story in that moment, but now you are writing the story. So decide for yourself what it is you would like to write in your book.

Alex Ferrari 54:11
Are we being spiritually called to redefine what it means to know versus to believe?

Jessie Herman 54:19
Yes, but knowing is always been a part of you. Knowing is native to humans. You just know believing you can cut into the words believe, be, live, it is what you are choosing to make alive in your world. So in the past, you have been told to believe in doctrines. You've been told to believe in leaders. You've been told to believe in systems. You've been told to believe in your science. And as you did take on these beliefs, you did make them alive. You are the one who makes them truth. Now what you are being asked to do is believe in your knowing. Believe in your faith and make that the truth that is being created in your reality. So belief, yes, has a bad name, because often what it has been is you making alive things that do not serve you. If you believe in the monster under your bed, you do not sleep very well, but if you believe in your knowing, then you can create whatever it is is coming into your reality that you would like to create. So a reframing of that word would do you well what you believe in comes alive,

Alex Ferrari 55:31
What inner work is most essential for humanity to move from a fear based systems into heart led living

Jessie Herman 55:39
Practice, practicing to live there. Because the reason why it does not occur yet is because you have, again, a belief that to be open and to be loving is the most dangerous thing at all. This is the fundamental belief that causes fear that if you were to walk around as exposed as you are, as raw as you are, as innocent as you actually are, then you would be in danger. So there's courage required, there heart courage and also, yes, boundaries, discernment, you are moving into a space where your emotional intelligence is evolving quite rapidly as well, and you are learning how to defend yourself or to live from an open space, while also having sensibility to be safe or to protect yourselves or to navigate your preferences in a way that is holistic. So it is possible. What has up until now been the case is you have not believed that you could live a open heart life and survive it, but we are saying you can.

Alex Ferrari 56:53
And do you have any parting messages for our audience Vagein?

Jessie Herman 56:56
Yes as always, and we know you do not accept very well this type of message, have fun with this. This is your life. It is an adventure, the suffering or the fear or the heartache or the heartbreak, everything that is coming at you, everything that you believe you are losing, or everything that you believe you are gaining. All of it is part of the miraculous story that is your existence. You exist specifically because existence needed you exactly as you are to exist. And so if you can step into a deep appreciation of who you are and what that means, you can have a good time no matter what is occurring around you, you can laugh at The Comedy of how creative you have been to create this reality and from that space you can do whatever it is is your small part to fulfill your mission of being love while incarnate in a human experience with that, we leave you with the light and the love of 1000 suns.

Alex Ferrari 58:01
She's back.

Jessie Herman 58:03
Hi, I'm back.

Alex Ferrari 58:07
How much of that do you remember?

Jessie Herman 58:10
Um, not, not too much. A little bit, I think they were talking about, like, conflicts, a bit of the stuff we were talking about before, and now I don't remember that much.

Alex Ferrari 58:23
Unfortunately, this time, you normally remember a whole bunch. Or is it kind of more dream?

Jessie Herman 58:27
Like, no, it's really very choppy. You know, if they, if they talk a lot in images, if they like, say, like, Oh, this is a forest, or talk, then I'll see things. I'll see like a forest, and maybe then I can remember things. But it seems like they didn't talk about too much in in sort of poetic terms this time. So it's kind of just like straight it's almost like numbers or shapes. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 58:49
So when you're when you are sitting on the side, it's, from what I understand, it's kind of like you just took a seat next door and you're watching it. What do you what is, what is happening in your consciousness when you're channeling?

Jessie Herman 59:03
Well, I'm not sure. And you know, that's, I think that's the thing about channeling that makes people a little uncomfortable. It's because you don't really have access to your memory. You don't have access to your own thought process. In the same way you don't have access you don't have access to a lot, to be honest. So you might be aware that talking is happening, but you're not even aware of what is aware that talking is happening, so you don't even have personality. It's almost like you simply don't exist. The same way you don't exist when you're sleeping, right? Like we're not very aware of ourselves when we're sleeping. So I'd have to say it's very similar to that.

Alex Ferrari 59:38
All right, very cool. All right. I'm gonna ask you a few questions I ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Jessie Herman 59:47
My definition of living a fulfilled life is being as authentically me as possible, getting through all of the stuff that tells me that I'm not okay or that there's some. Thing wrong with me and allowing myself to live from a space of this is this is just what existence is expressing through this particular being in this Now moment. And I found that the more I dive into that, the more I have self acceptance and the more I love myself more from like, just like, okay, even the even the quirks are fine, the better and better things get. They really line up and they really the right people come into your life and the wrong people head out, and you get to truly have the blessing of living the life that was meant for you and the life that's meant for you. Everybody feels so good. You know, even if it's not perfect or not what you expected, it's it's really nice to be able to live your own life, because you're you.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:46
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Jessie, what advice would you give her?

Jessie Herman 1:00:49
Oh gosh, little Jessie, I tell her she's not alone. She never was. She never will be that she can very much believe in all of that energy she feels around her, that it's okay to be her, that it's that great things are coming, and that, yeah, mostly that she's not alone. I think I felt alone as a little kid, so I'd go back and like, be like, No, you're not alone. Don't worry about that.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:12
What and what would little Jessie's advice be to you today?

Jessie Herman 1:01:17
Keep being weird. You know, Stay weird.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:22
So weird. It's literally this slogan for the city I live in, Austin, beat so funny. It's on That's hilarious. It's on T shirts that you get off the airport. In the airport, there's teachers. I had no idea. Keep Austin weird.

Jessie Herman 1:01:36
That's another great reason for me to come out and visit you, then get the t shirt.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:42
How do you define God, Source or or the Divine?

Jessie Herman 1:01:47
Sorry, what was the question? How do I define it?

Alex Ferrari 1:01:49
How do you define divine? The divine, God, Source, whatever you want to call The Universe. What do you call it?

Jessie Herman 1:01:54
So I define it as all that is like. But to get to the space of understanding it, you really have to encompass all that is right. So divinity, to me, is really the deepest level of acceptance and like immersion in even the things that I as a personal being don't have as my preference, even the things I have judgment for, even the things. And then sort of when you can expand out to encompassing everything, something happens inside of you, where you really feel it, you really feel divinity. You feel that everything has a perfect order, and it all makes sense. And also you can come to a space of accepting that your human experience is going to have judgment and preference, and that too, is part of this divine game that we're playing. So for me, it's almost like an accordion. You can expand out and you come back in, and it's, it's like breathing, you know? So that's, that's how I would see it. What is love? I think love is the same thing. I think love is that tuning into that. And sometimes you're stimulated by a person or by a pet, or by a situation, a sunset, to tap into that in a way that you know is immediate or more accessible. But I think Pure Love is the recognition that the joy that's in that understanding that everything's perfection.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:20
How do you define liberation in this lifetime?

Jessie Herman 1:03:23
Liberation? You know, it's a funny question. I wouldn't have a definition for that because I don't have a perception anymore, maybe, of any sort of not being liberated. Everything seems to be freedom. Everything is opportunity. And the only thing that potentially has the possibility of me feeling not free is the freedom I have to put myself in that position of feeling not free. So everything is layered upon this concept of I get to choose. So look, I'm like anybody I'm gonna have, I'm gonna have a bad day every once in a while, like it happens. It happens often, actually. And I know, though, that all my bad days, whatever is running through me, the energy that's running through me is choosing to have a bad day is and there's going to be a really good reason to have that bad day. Maybe that bad day is to teach me to love myself more. Maybe that bad day is to give me an opportunity to learn more compassion for other people down the road, like everything that is happening or choosing that I'm choosing is always for some positive aspect. So I don't really think there's any reason to define liberation

Alex Ferrari 1:04:37
Fair enough and what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Jessie Herman 1:04:40
Yeah, I'd go back to the having fun, to the playing the game, to being all in, to committing to being here. You know, you already chose to be here, you might as well play.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:50
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Jessie Herman 1:04:53
Yes, so you can head over to my website@www.jpherman.com, I'm also on Instagram. Am, and you can find me at jesse_vagrein, V, A, G, R, E, I, N. I have a couple books on Amazon, and I often do events and retreats and stuff like that, so I'm around, but check out my website, and you'll find everything about me.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:15
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Jessie Herman 1:05:20
Look, you know, Varian is not allowed to tell you their predictions so much for the future. They've got, you know, some sort of rules and regulations about not influencing our free will. But it looks like it's going to be rocky, like you said, like we spoke at the beginning of this conversation. And if you can hold on to something, hold on to looking for one reason to smile every day. You know, that's my new thing is, like, it doesn't matter what the day is bringing, what the situation is, how scared I am, how anxious I'm feeling. If I can find one thing to smile about, and you know, the more you can find, the better, then it's already a good day. You know, if you can continue to connect with that part of you that has appreciation or joy or gratitude, then you're you're okay, you're doing a good job. So that's what I would leave as my parting message.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:11
Jessie, it's been such a pleasure talking to you. As always. I look forward to when you make your way down here to Austin, all the way from Europe, exactly. Thank you again for for taking a bullet and living in Italy, for all of us and enjoying and and tearing me soon. But I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken this planet Jessie, so thank you so much.

Jessie Herman 1:06:34
Thank you so much, Alex. I appreciate you so much to have an amazing, amazing day.