Astrology Predicts Humanity’s Great Shift in the Near Future with Debra Silverman

Alex Ferrari 0:00
Sometimes the reality you have to look at things that's so unrealistic.

Debra Silverman 0:04
Something new is being birthed. We just can't see it. The ones that don't have this wisdom, that don't know how to find comfort, that's going to be a very painful existence. What we're all longing for is the Next Level Soul assignment for all of us. One of the things he said, he looked at my chart, and he said, you're going to be very successful as an astrologer, or you're gonna be a prostitute. I was like, wait what? He said this chart is so full of energy, and it's so not traditional, and you have no you never take no for an answer, and you're so juicy. I was like, that's just I was so young. I was like, Okay, I'm going with the first one.

Alex Ferrari 0:48
I like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Debra Silverman.

Debra Silverman 0:51
Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here.

Alex Ferrari 0:53
Thank you again for coming back down to the studios. It was our last conversation. Some people liked it.

Debra Silverman 0:59
It seemed to be, yes, I really had fun, and I could see it right here in our chart, that we have chemistry that makes sense. And some people you meet, as soon as you meet them, you're like, Why do I like that person? And other people you're like, Can we go now? And that's

Alex Ferrari 1:13
Some people like, I got a shower.

Debra Silverman 1:14
Yeah, I'll be right back. Yeah, no. We have definitely got a gift of being able to elicit deep thoughts and emotional responses. And that's what makes a good podcast. It's not just the mind, it's the feeling.

Alex Ferrari 1:26
No, absolutely. I mean, I could have told you without any charts, that we have chemistry. I mean, the second we met, we're just, it just kind of worked in I remember I was just talking like, when you first walked in, the first time I felt that you were like a scared bunny.

Debra Silverman 1:37
Well, I just had an Uber that didn't know where we were,

Alex Ferrari 1:41
Right! So you were like, what's going on? How long is this gonna be like? And then soon as you saw that painting of Yogananda and then the other Ascended Masters, you're like, Oh, I think I'm gonna be okay. And you saw Yogananda behind me, and you saw the wall,

Debra Silverman 1:53
And I noticed, and that is one of my funny personality I take in space. And I think a lot of us forget to be slow enough to actually let the moment become aware, rather than just like or focusing on one focus. And I actually found that all these people on your walls, the energetics, really created a conducive attitude, like I was like, okay, I'm good. Now I'm safe.

Alex Ferrari 2:15
You're good, yeah. And then you went longer than you've ever looked

Debra Silverman 2:17
It's true. It's true. Yeah. And here we go.

Alex Ferrari 2:20
Here we go again. So since we brought the Masters into our conversation, have you ever done the charts for some of these guys?

Debra Silverman 2:28
You asked me that last time. Yes, there's no birth dates for Jesus. I mean, these are beings that come in and out of Yogananda. There is and I do know that he, I do. I don't know his chart, but I would be interested in it. I think the important part is, when you reach this level of content, this level of consciousness, there's such a high level that the human condition doesn't apply quite the same. And that is the goal of a Next Level Soul is, can I keep evolving my soul so that I don't get captured by my human nature, which is so sticky and so dramatic and so stubborn and it keeps repeating itself for these guys? Why I love being in the presence of or meditating or having that picture in my house is I put I hitchhike, I pretend I'm them. Like, what would it be like if you reach, if I reached a level of consciousness where my chart wasn't the dictating force, but rather it was just a simple suggestion, because most of us, honestly, are controlled by our chart.

Alex Ferrari 3:17
That's really interesting. Let's dive into that for a second. So as Ascended Masters, you know, and we people who don't know what an Ascended Master is, Jesus, Buddha, Yogananda, Saint, Germain, Djwal Khul, of course, all of these, these kind of say they were saints essentially at a certain point, or masters walking, masters who tried to elevate humanity's consciousness. But I've never heard what you just said. So let's dive into that a little bit, where, once you reach a certain level of consciousness, the astrological chart does not have power over you anymore. Before then, it really does dictate your life. It's just what it is like, if, like in 2025 if your chart is you're going to get married, or you're going to have a big shift in a job, or have a child, or have a child, or it's going to do it. It's been written in the story. It's been written in the stars regardless. But when you're in you become a walking master. You elevate your consciousness to a place where you can dance between the other side and this side. You understand you kind of like you're and I always use this reference because it's the best reference I can come up with. Is Neo from the Matrix. You're able to play with the code, you're able to manipulate, you'll be able to do, manipulate your surroundings and everything. And that's what the masters did. Jesus obviously did that. Buddha did that, and Yogananda did that. So many of these masters did. But so when you elevate your consciousness to a certain level, the astrological chart has no power from about you anymore.

Debra Silverman 4:45
Yes, it's the gravity of the human condition. This is the first part of my book. The operating system of the human condition is built to get it wrong. What like? We're built to make mistakes in order to learn, and we're built to be hurt in order to open up our heart and. Woundings that happen are the exact source for us to wake up. That's not true if you're awakened. So there's a slippery slope. The human just keeps on doing the drama. It's very addicting and it's compelling, and we watch every movie and every song and every Spanish novella, oh, my God. It's just like we can't help ourselves. And it is really, truly, we're here exactly my point. The Human Condition is delicious because of that when you reach and I'm just speculating. So let's just start there. As you reach higher levels of consciousness, the drama gets quieter, and this is why for aging people, which is what I am, even though you can't tell by looking used to be. Let you're less social. You're less concerned what people think about you. You feel less compelled to achieve the ambition softens the feeling that you have to do something inappropriate you're not doing that inappropriate like you drop all those conditions as you evolve. So think about it as young being awkward, teenager, doing the stupidest things, taking the car, doing drugs, promiscuity, all of that activity of a youthful being is the human condition, and then as it evolves, it becomes the image we have when we think about Jesus or Buddha or cool or Yogananda, like we see those beings and they have the silly little grin on their face. Do you think you feel like they ate the canary? However it goes, there's something about them that they got the code and they broke down this unbelievable drama. But for the rest of us, it's addicting and it's compelling and it's stubborn. It keeps repeating itself. And that's what the book is about. Every personality type has repetitive patterns that keep reoccurring, and at first you don't know it. You just get bugged by yourself. And the beginning of the book I talk about that,

Alex Ferrari 6:33
The book you're speaking of, is, I don't believe in Astrology. That is the funniest therapist Guide to Life Changing wisdom of the stars. Yes, it's a great title.

Debra Silverman 6:41
Thank you. It's catchy. It is funny because people that don't believe it aren't going to buy it. The people that do believe it say I already believe it. But anyways, it did catch people's attention. It's all about the first half of the book is the human condition and how the operating system has these really loud faults that we don't recognize, like we don't know how to forgive. It's taken me years. I'm not even sure I'm good at it yet. We don't know how to be able to deal with the heartbreak. As soon as the heartbreak happens, we turn into a shriveled up, contracted we lose the job, and everything's wrong. There's no big picture. And those great ones, they've seen so much, and this has all happened before. You guys, we we think that we're the only ones in this movie that are actually going through a transition every one of us, and we're so scared, and the collective is going, this doesn't seem right. Well, every time there's a transition in life, every time we move from one era, as we are, from the Aquarian Age to the piscene backwards, Piscean age, the every time we make a transition, we're awkward and we're uncomfortable. Oh, we're definitely that now, and that's what we're sitting in. And the discomfort is a direct result of the human condition, not knowing how to trust and what astrology does. The part I love the most, you just fall in love with trust because it's so accurate. There's not a chart that I've ever looked at not said that didn't come to me with like, Of course he's a recluse. Of course he's shy. You can't tell by looking but I got the secret code, all right. So what are you looking at there? It's the birth, date, time and place, an actual photograph of where the planets were at the moment of your birth. So all astrology is astronomy at its first level. It's pure science, and it's based on numbers, and people forget that. So it's not a random order where somebody made it up. It's actually based on where and how did they know 4000 years ago how to execute a chart and figure out where all the planets were. That's a lot of math. Now, it's a button, right? But years ago, including in my lifetime, it was hours and hours of mathematical calculation. That's a different conversation. How did they figure it out? But meanwhile, I'm looking at a chart that gives me the clue about what the file in that little category that Kaushik records, they have Alex Ferrari. They pull out the file, up comes your chart, and they go, Oh, this lifetime, he's going to be passionate about wanting to help the people learn about spirituality. And he likes the really, oh, look, he loves death and near death experiences. Oh, look, he loves mediums. Oh, this guy. We got him. And then they told your friend to call you and say, Would you please do a podcast? This was all written, and then you said yes. Now the quick trick here is, how many of you are able to say yes when you get the invitation? Because I would imagine you resisted at first, oh, completely.

Alex Ferrari 9:13
Not that I resisted. I did it under, under pressure from Connie, my spiritual guide, who's been on the show, and she's very, very spicy. And I did just I did it purely because she said to do it.

Debra Silverman 9:27
That's exactly how I wrote the book. I did not want to write the book. I did not. My best friend, who's very spicy, said to me, a legacy. After 50 years of being an astrologer, you're not. And I was like, Okay, and so similar, we can admit to you a little bit of resistance from the ego. I don't wanna,

Alex Ferrari 9:42
Well, no, for you, it makes sense. You just didn't want to write a book. For me, it was out of left it's like for me, telling you, Deborah, now you need to start a production company and just start making films about $100 million each. Go, no, that's exactly so. It's that it was so out of left field, where. Me doing a spiritual podcast was completely out of place.

Debra Silverman 10:01
Okay, can I just tell you what it is to write a book? Oh, I know it's not easy, and I'd already written my first book, the missing element, and that book did really well, but it was so much effort and so much heavy lifting. So here's what I did. First, I said, No. Then my best friend, my Connie, gave me the I was like, okay, okay, I got the point. And then I said, I made did a prayer. If it's fun and it's not heavy lifting, I'll do it. So I met someone who's called a ghost writer, and she had had 13 New York Time bestsellers. She doesn't put her name on it, and we began working together. And she had four planets in Aquarius. She was a genius. She took all my classes. We had this complete chemistry. We had so much. We laughed so much, and it was easy, and it wasn't heavy lifting. And I did it because I prayed, because I honestly felt like it was doing a production company. I felt like it was if you were going to tell me to write a book at that point, I would have said no until and this is true for everyone. You can pray about something, you can get the invitation. Now, what made you surrender? I'm curious why you finally said yes.

Alex Ferrari 11:01
So I did the show, and I ran it for about six months, and I was doing a show a week, maybe a show every other week, even I got it down to one a month, because I was starting to pull back, because I was terrified of losing everything, because I'm talking to weird astrologers and psychics and channels and stuff, and I didn't want to lose my business, which was my other shows, which were in the filmmaking space, which were doing very well, and I couldn't see the trees beyond the forest at that point. I just knew my world. I'm like, I don't want to lose it. And I was still living in LA at the time. And then I I stopped for four months. I stopped doing the show completely. Just stopped doing it. And what year is this. This is 2020 April. I launched this show Easter, 2021 which is because Easter is coming up right as we recording this. So that Christmas of 2021 Connie calls. She's like, how's the show going? I'm like, Ah, you know, I'm busy. I'll get back to it. And she basically told me, poop or get off the pot. And if you don't do it, someone else is going to the universe is going to go to someone else, because someone else has to some this job has to get done, and you agreed to do it. If you're not doing it, the universe will find someone else to do it, which made a whole lot of sense to me, because Spielberg said once, Steven Spielberg said once, that when ideas come in, he'll get the idea, if he doesn't work, move on it. Two or three months later, James Cameron's doing it, or Martin Scorsese is doing it, because the idea needs to be birthed. Regardless, you might be the first choice, because, on paper, you've chosen to do it, and you're the best suited to do something like that. But if you don't do it, the idea will get birth into that's why you hear like, when the phone was being developed, it was Alexander Graham Bell, and then another guy in Europe did the same thing at the same time. That's called the morphogenic field, exactly. So that happens all the time. So when she said that, I was like, I had to, I finally just, I gave in.

Debra Silverman 13:03
And it's more than that. Your soul insisted, and you agreed. So it wasn't just all the storyline. Some part of you responded, this is Saturn on your son. You came in this lifetime with a serious commitment.

Alex Ferrari 13:14
Oh, there's no there's no question.

Debra Silverman 13:15
Same for me, I have sat on opposite my son, so I didn't want to write the book. And this, everyone needs to hear this. We resist. The ego resists. This is in the book, The ego is built for comfort, for pleasure, for competition, for approval. It wants all this external feedback. The soul on the other hand, on your head, the soul on the other hand just gives unconditionally because she he remembers who they work for, and they're on this team, and they signed a contract on the other side, and you would never want to go home and say, Oh no, I just let that thing go. No, I didn't spend 50 years studying astrology to not send a legacy out. So I finally caught up with my soul, I surrendered, I did a prayer, found these, this amazing woman and a team, and the next thing you knew, the book came out, and it seemed almost now that I'm sure this is true for you, once you're in the flow and you see the success and how people's lives get touched because of what you're doing.

Alex Ferrari 14:07
But that took time, so once I had my my come to Jesus conversation with God, if you will, and I just said, Hey, okay, I trust you. I trust I have faith that you're gonna take care of me and my family, and I will go all in. And we ended up doing four episodes a week, and we just started cranking. And there was no success at first. And I just said, I'm not attached to the outcome. I'm just going to cut the wood and carry the water. And it took about from January, October 19 was the first real there was one before, but one explosion of one episode took off, then the next episode took off, and we went from 75,000 views in a month in the last 10 days, we made 1.2 million views. It just exploded. And I'm like, what is happening? And that was when I realized, Oh, I'm not in control of this. Oh, I I'm just, I'm here doing but there's some there's a force behind me doing.

Debra Silverman 14:59
This is a great bridge to our audience, because we have been answering the call and we were given a really specific assignment, both of us, because of Saturn, which is in the book, you have to know what your life lesson is. Yours is very strong. There's people out there that don't know what they're supposed to be doing, and they feel like they're on the wrong street, and they feel like they didn't get the download, they didn't get the home office call to say, this is what you're supposed to do, and that's where astrology comes in. There is a mean. This is the means to see that file that's in the Akashic records. I love imagining this giant file system, and they pull up your little envelope, and there it says, Alex. They open. They go, Okay, here's some options. He's going to marry this person. Here's going to be the children, here's the dog, here's the job, here's what he's going to do, and here's the opportunities where he'll have a choice, and that's what we're gonna see, what his character is made out of. And that's the time when it gets really scary,

Alex Ferrari 15:46
Anytime, anytime you are going into a new adventure that you're not comfortable, and it's scary, and relationships, jobs, everything,

Debra Silverman 15:55
And the trick is to ask for help. And that's how I got to this point. And I was just telling you my new I'm working with the Tarot. I have these like friendships with these imaginary people that are the Tarot deck. It's been obsessive for me. I found out that the major arcana in the tarot deck, there's 22 cards that are called major 12. Of them are the 12 signs, and 10 are the 10 planets. But they didn't discover the Tarot until the 15th century, before we ever knew where Pluto and Neptune and Uranus were so they left enough cards for all 10 planets in the 15th century, when they couldn't even see those planets. So my theory about this tarot deck coupled with astrology is there's this, again, masterful level of consciousness that's trying to knock, knock, knock, see if we would be paying attention. And my new doorway is the Tarot and astrology. And I find myself this was just telling you, this is the how I dream. First you dream and you imagine, wow, maybe I could write a piece on the tro so I sat with it for months. Then all of a sudden, I found my computer going through, and then it just came out. Then I had to get it edited to your point, the execution and all the following up steps that transition from the dream of thinking about it to doing it is where people get stuck and they don't. But that's not true for you and I. And this is the difference of the characters who are the workaholics. This is the earth people that have very strong drive. Why? Why do we work so hard? Because I'm so in love with these people. That's why I work so hard. What about you?

Alex Ferrari 17:20
I do this because it is, it is what I've been built to do since I was born, and I only realized that, only until when I got to this point. And now, with next level soul TV and producing our own shows, producing our own movies, things that we're going to be doing for our streaming platform, it all comes full circle. Because I always asked, I'm like, why in this? And I would have asked you, if I would have met you 1015, years ago, I would have asked the question, Why would God give me this love of filmmaking and storytelling and writing and all this stuff, and give me the talent, give me the experience to do it and to do it at a decent level, I could have easily been making a very good living as a TV director or making movies, not you don't have to beat Spielberg. I'm just saying, like a just a work, you know, we're a guy working, you know, making, you know, getting a paycheck. Why could I not get the opportunities I wanted? Why did I always get in the room and never, never land it? And it was just like, oh, always, constantly, I was so angry, and I was like, Why did you do this to me? Why am I wasting my time in this field, if I'm not going to be able to get to where I want it because I had so much ambition, so much drive, and only now, to be honest with you, only within the last six months, I go, Okay, now I'm like, I get it. Now we always be. And, you know, I was, I was at the my conference, the Ascension Conference, and I was talking on stage, and I said, it, Does everybody here know Mr. Miyagi from the Karate Kid? And everyone goes, Yeah, of course, Mr. Miyagi. I go, well, the universe was Mr. Miyagi in me. And that's a term I came up with. I got Mr. Miyagi, which means that if you watched Karate Kid the wax on wax off, you have to wax the cars and paint the fence and and he goes, I'm training you in karate. I'm like, I'm your slave. I'm not what? This doesn't make any sense, and he couldn't understand what Mr. Miyagi was doing for him, only when he finally is like, I'm tired of this. I'm not your slave. I go show me wax on, wax off. And he starts punching and like, Haha. And he's like, able to do all this stuff, which, by the way, makes no sense in the real world, but in the movie, it worked out great. And only then did he understand, oh, he was so far beyond what I could see. All I saw was paint the fence or wax on and wax off. I did not see the deeper meaning behind that.

Debra Silverman 19:43
So this is so beautiful, and this is so much for the audience. People don't know that the simple acts of their life, when they're doing as a mother, what they're doing as a kid, what they're doing as a teacher, what they're doing as a garbage driver, what they're doing all the jobs that seem so meaningless or that they're not on the right path, because that's what people suffer. From on this earth. Oh god, yeah, they really feel like they're and it's not true, because you have to paint and you have to wax, you have to do all this preparatory work, lifetimes. Sometimes it takes lifetimes until you reach the point of true humility, where you have figured out the code, which is doing your prayers, slowing it down, watching podcasts, getting your spirituality cultivated, and realizing that whatever you're doing, even though it may seem like all you're doing, you're being a slave to this existence, it's actually the service to consciousness and evolution that makes that job delicious. Over time. And then suddenly, one day, you suddenly find yourself being inspired by a thought, and then you do the dream, and then you follow it through, and then you execute it, and then you have millions of followers. But it wasn't your intention. You were just following step by step.

Alex Ferrari 20:47
If you would tell me this when I started,

Debra Silverman 20:50
And how old are you?

Alex Ferrari 20:51
I'm 50, that's it. Yeah, I'm the corner at 50. I'm heading towards 51 but if you would have told me this 10 years ago, when I launched my first podcast, I would have said, You're insane. I mean, I

Debra Silverman 21:05
See this is what the planet's going through right now. This is what all the astrologers are talking about. We're in this major transition, and if you didn't see the end, if we can't see where we're headed in the middle of it, and I would have talked to you at 40, you were disappointed. You felt like something was wrong. You were scared all these and how many of us in the room right now listening are disappointed, we're scared, we're angry, we don't feel like it's going the right way. Life seems really unfair. And if you can see the long view, which is what they bring to us, or what age brings, one of the reasons I love getting older is you realize this transition we're in is nothing to be afraid of, and nothing's wrong. Now, that's a high road. And that's the very last chapter in my book. Is called the 13th sign, where you come off the 12 signs. Forget about astrology. It's so funny. I wrote the whole book to feed your ego. You're going to read about cancer. You're going to open up about your wife in Taurus. And then I want you to go to the end of the book where I say, okay, stop, come up and come out and look with me about the soul's point of view. Who realizes that the whole thing is a dream. It's here to frustrate you, scare you, get nervous, even right now in the politics, all this is built to see our character. Do we have what it takes? Do I like to speak in first person? Do I have what it takes to be really upset, scared, vulnerable, alone? Call it all the words and still find the place where I have faith that it's all working out. That's a crazy question,

Alex Ferrari 22:26
But Debra, so like a lot of the things that are happening in the world, I don't know about you, in my lifetime, the most, the most I've ever learned, is when I'm tested. I'm tested by certain situations. I'm tested by people. I'm tested by just things happening in my life. When you're tested, it shows what you're made of. And right now, humanity is being tested in a huge, huge way. That's what I'm talking about. That's where we're at right now. Because, I mean, I stopped watching the news. I can't, I can't know, there's so many people I can't because it's, it's a fear machine. It's just, you're constantly just being fed fear, fear, fear, fear, because it's what sells and what they do, and that's

Debra Silverman 23:10
Why do I feel, I feel like I need to hold the earth. I feel like I need to keep my eye on the pain body, and this is my cancer. You're a double Scorpio. I don't know if you know that. So you're built for depth and intensity and really staying focused. I have an appetite to, like, hold my family the Republicans and the Democrats. I watch the news to see if I can stay in my center and be the mama bear that says it's going to be okay. I feel like I'm responsible. This is a funny thing to send out the message to the collective that even though it looks horrible and it's scary and it's negative, and that the news just brings you down. There's a place where I can watch and keep saying it's gonna be okay, but the funny job I gave myself,

Alex Ferrari 23:50
It's a very funny job you gave yourself, but at the but at a certain point, though, nothing lasts forever truth. So even this dark time that we're going through and and again, it's a perception, because a lot of people are having a fantastic time right now. That's the funny part. A lot of people are growing their businesses, and they're watching spirituality, someone's in the Amalfi Coast right now, on a boat, you know, and eating lobster, having a fun and caviar and caviar and having a great old time,

Debra Silverman 24:23
Right! Or so much of people living there's people watching this that have got the code that we can stay joyful, even though the world there's this wonderful Jewish line that you spend 23 hours a day enjoy in one hour you grieve, and you spend one hour a day letting yourself cry, which I do, and really, really emoting and then going back to joy. So to your point, yes, there's a joyful energy that's always waiting for us. That's where these guys live. And then there's a human condition that I have a lot of compassion for, because when you're watching a birth and you're in the room and you don't know what's happening, you know, this is a man, it's the scariest. That's what we're at. We're getting. Having birth right now. Now, who were crowning? Who are the wisdom we're crowning? Who are the wisdom keepers in the room that can say everyone, it's okay. And astrologically, I said this, 2024 was going to be a year where we were kind of sleepy. It was the last vestige of us being, quote, unquote, normal. 2025 it starts to rumble. Everything feels like No, no, something. Turn off the news like we want to know. We don't even want to know 2026 when Saturn's in Aries and Neptune's in Aries and Pluto's in Aquarius and Uranus, all the outer planets. I'm sure you've heard this. This has never happened before in the history of astrology. All the outer planets are shifting into fire and air. It's combustion. We're going to have a radical shift. So we all sense it. We smell it. We know we were born for it. We know somewhere in our deepest recesses with these guys, we came here for this reason. Yeah, hello, there's a hell of a show. You signed up for this. You didn't. It was volunteered. And now, if we have the long view, this is what astrology gives us. There's a perspective. Of course, this has happened, not exactly happened before, because this is unique. But we have moved through eras. We went from the Pisces age right now, it's just turning into the Aquarian Age. What was the Pisces age? You asked, I'm so glad you asked everybody was following. It was an era of 2100, years, where we followed, whether it was Christian or it was Buddhist, or was Islam, or it was whatever the religious order was, you had to live in a group of sangha, and you had a state of that group if you were in an ashram, and you were never allowed to ever consider leaving, because if you left your group where they picked your wife and they picked your job and you lived in a small group, if you left because you were upset with the society, you'd be banished without food, and nobody wanted you because they'd all wonder why you left. So it was a huge risk. We all followed the leader, and we did what was told, and we had a religious order that had a lot of rules. Then somewhere in the 60s, this is my theory. There's some kind of there was six planets in Aquarius in 1964 this incredible, unbelievable. Throw away your ideas about normal let's all throw away our bras. Let's not get married. Let's just throw away the draft card. We're not going to the arm. Let's also, there was this radical departure from society's grip, and then it continued all the way to now where ayahuasca and psilocybin and micro dosing, these were words that didn't exist to the Aquarian Age. So now it's called, do whatever you want to do. Don't follow. Live wherever you want to live. Have kids. Don't Have Kids. Change your sex. Decide who you want to be married. You don't want to be married. It's all a free fall. So we're in the Aquarian Age. It takes. We're at two minutes in. By the way, it's 2100, years. But at this point we're like, wait a minute that we didn't really like the Follow the Leader story. But this has no definition. And is it bad? It's just scary. Is this scary? Are we like, falling off the cliff? And no, this was predicted. We knew this was going to happen. The variable is the human condition. Now, the Earth's gonna survive. It always will. Of course, she's so steady, Eddie, she's as solid as a planet. The human condition. We need revisiting our stupid nature. That's my book. The operating system is not nice. It says mean things about you. There's some little voice in your head. You probably have this. Everybody has, of course, he talks about you. He's insecure, he doesn't want to be around people. He feels like he's not that successful, or maybe he is. And then he starts looking in the mirror and he sees gray hair, and he starts giving a commentary, and who asked for the commentary? And then you start realizing you've got a guy in your head who doesn't get paid, or maybe he does, works overtime all night long, saying about you,

Alex Ferrari 28:17
Oh, he's the they're the worst.

Debra Silverman 28:21
You're double Scorpio, the worst they really can be. Mean your voices.

Alex Ferrari 28:24
I'll tell you this. So Tony Robbins said this once, and I think it's just amazing to show you the power of the brain, of the mind or the ego. How many times have you had a beautiful meal at a beautiful restaurant and you're just satiated, just stuffed. You had a great time. Then the dessert tray comes out, and then the inner dialog comes in, like, you deserve it. Have that cheesecake. It'll be fine. You can work out a little extra tomorrow. You'll be fine. Just enjoy it. You eat the cheesecake, right? We've all done this. You eat the cheesecake, then you go home that night, you take your clothes off in the mirror, and that same voice says, you fat pig. How could you have eaten that cheesecake? Oh, you're horrible.

Debra Silverman 29:10
It is a true cancer. I know this is the human condition. So there is a muscle that lives inside the brain, said the therapist, that's what my master's degree in clinical psych. There is a muscle that lives inside your psyche. That's called the Free Will button. It doesn't get initiated until you read my book. Just kidding. You can't you have to turn your observer on. You have to realize, if I'm pretend, I'm you, I'm a cancer, double Scorpio. Mmm. I love the sugar, I love the food. I love everything. I can't stop so now you're aware because you studied your chart. Wow, I'm triple water, and I have this unbelievable appetite for the yum yum factor. And I look just want to have a little bit more, please. But I have this disciplined voice Saturn is on my son saying, What are you doing? What are you doing? And now I'm in a ping pong match, and I eat the thing, and then I give myself a smile and go, it's okay. And then you live with your observer that says, You know what? You're such a good guy. It's okay. You're allowed to gain some weight. We still love you. And. The alteration is understanding that voice can be in the Free Will zone with a softer tone. So we're not saying mean things. You're obviously a little happy soul, like your spirits obvious in your face. But there's a lot of people. I, for one surprise, lived with depression for a lot of my life, and I couldn't make it go away, because I, like you, have lots of water. I have Scorpio and Cancer in my chart, not as strong as you. And I found finally that I had to understand that part of me, and I did the inner child work, and I did the therapy, and I still feel this planet is hard for me. I know some people wake up in the morning. They're so happy. They'd like to have that lot this fire signs, Aries, Leo, sage, oh my goodness, I'm so excited. Like, is there a volume knob on that thing? And then others wake up in the morning go, Oh my God, give me a minute. I'm coming back in my body. And this isn't easy. And by the way, I'm feeling something I don't know what it is. That's the water people. And the nature of the observer lets you be aware of it. And then you get to say, I'm not going to have the cheesecake tonight. That's the high road. Eventually you become aware. You have a yum yum factor. You have an appetite. Well, that's what I mean, he wants the cheesecake. Okay, you can have the cheesecake. I'm just saying because my personality has a very high regard for discipline. Your personality does have discipline with work. Oh, but when you're a triple water you're supposed to eat the cheesecake. That's this is the problem. It's not really.

Alex Ferrari 31:19
I mean, obviously I'm disciplined with work. I mean, I'll put out a scene, amount of content.

Debra Silverman 31:23
It's true, and you're really good at it. So point being that, based on the chart, I'm going to go through them, water are the people that are mush pushes. They love to eat. They love to be at home. They don't want people around. They have a high regard for sacred, sacred substance. Being in magic places, being able to create spaces that don't get assaulted with the human condition. They really value stillness, ear people, which is what I am. They talk and they think, and they watch podcasts, and they read books, and they're interested in ETS, and they want to know all the stories, and they can't get enough, and then they forget what they did. And where's my person? Where's my phone? Oops. They have airhead qualities, but they're charming. Raise your hand, and they have a real gift for writing and thinking and talking and they can't make decisions for the life of them, then we have the earth people grounded. This is the one you have literally no earth in your chart. I have no but that's because God said, Don't give them anymore because you're such a hard worker. Listen to Earth, practical details, perfectionist. Wanting to be in control, wanting to have it their way. Hello. Wanting to have high quality has to be exactly the right colors on the set. So these earth people get obsessed with details, money, security, spreadsheets, organization. Now you may not have all of those because you've got your wife

Alex Ferrari 32:30
Yeah, that's why. That's why they said, No, we're good. We'll give her the wife perfect team. And then she's and she was like, We won't give them the the water we got, we got.

Debra Silverman 32:38
It's a balance. Okay, so back to the element of Earth is the enjoyment of work rather than complaining. Then last comes fire, and they're the excited people. They're loud and they're obnoxious, and they put on music and they dance, and they're so outgoing and they're so outrageous, and they get really angry and they are really political, and there is no off button, but they're very joyful at their high level and grumpy at the down level, because they just swear. They can't stop swearing. They have a very authentic, emotional body that comes loud. So the water are the sensitive ones. The ear can't stop talking. The earth people are working their heads off. And the fire, people are like, can we just have a drink? Like, this is enough with all this. How'd I do? Can we just have a drink? Yeah, didn't we just have some fun now. So the four elements, that was my first book, the missing element, the four elements are the magic in the tarot deck. This is so crazy. The first card of the Tarot deck is the fool. Yeah, you have to come onto planet Earth and not know where you're going, and not know what your name is going to be, or who you're going to end up with, or what you're going to be, like, like, you have to jump into incarnation. It's kind of crazy.

Alex Ferrari 33:39
You know what's really interesting? I had a conversation with Zach Bush. Dr. Zach Bush, good friend of mine. I love Zach I love Zach Bush. He was here like, literally, Aquarius rising. He's a genius. He's an absolute genius. But he said something so brilliant when we were having the conversation is we were talking about the soul blueprint. And I said, Well, you know, we have these mile markers that we're going to it's going to hit. Because I was talking like, yeah, we can go off the road a bit. I goes. But there are markers in the road that you have to hit like, you're going to be born here, you're going to be this sex, you're going to be doing this, this. There are certain things that are not you're going to live in New York, you're going to marry this person. Like it's going to happen. How you get there is the interesting part. But he says the because I said, Oh, sometimes you can kind of go off, and you might go off too far, where the universe slaps you back onto the road. And he goes with us. You're wandering. You. The Wandering is part of the process, because if you had a straight line, it'd be pretty boring. So you wander around the forests and the trees and everything and go off on different paths. You do come back, but the wandering is the point so like beautiful, so beautiful.

Debra Silverman 34:50
And that's why it's okay that everyone's where they're at, because that is the nature of evolution. In my book, I talk about we learn from mistakes. The very first line of the book is The. Very first line of the book is it was a setup. You couldn't get it right if you wanted to. That's the whole point of this exercise, to learn from your mistakes, to get it wrong. Why didn't they just tell us in the beginning? Back to what I was saying, the fool crazy to get here. They don't give us anything. And the very first stop, the number one card, is the magician. And on the magician's table in every single deck from the 15th century onward, were four elements. And he said, if you're going to do magic down there, you're going to have to learn the elements. And if you master the elements, and you know how to wander off during air and get confused and get distracted and get fickle and get all confused, you'll come back in time for Earth. You're good. So he gave us the clues of the four elements, and that's I'm just getting excited because this is my new thing. Now, it's the true I'm obsessed, and the four elements is the doorway to let the evolution continue. And of course you have to get it wrong. But of course you have to get it wrong.

Alex Ferrari 35:48
But ever so when you, when you went down, both of us have walked down a very non traditional paths. Essentially, that's true. The very, very non traditional paths as a general statement, both of us had careers in another world before we walked into this. I was a trained filmmaker and worked in as a professional, and then I became a podcaster.

Debra Silverman 36:10
What? What is that even?

Alex Ferrari 36:12
Now, everyone's like, Oh, yeah, podcast, you're a content creator, yeah, all this kind of stuff. But when I launched it, my first one, it was insane. And then launching the spiritual ones even more insane. So I had to be the fool. I had to be kind of just foolish, because it's foolish to believe, if you're an earth of an earth sign, you'd be foolish to believe that you can make a go at this. You. You said, Hey, I'm going to be an astrologer. It's insane.

Debra Silverman 36:39
It was insane

Alex Ferrari 36:39
Back and when you started, yeah, it was definitely out there. Yes. I mean, now everybody wants, everybody's an astrologer, everyone's so everybody now, and they all want to come on the show. I get it. I get it. I understand. But when you came out, it was you were, you were being foolish. And I always tell people, because people always ask me about, you know, being in the film industry, and how difficult it is, and all that stuff. And I go, Well, you have to be a little bit insane. That's you have to be a little bit insane to and foolish, insane and also delusional. I think you and I were both delusional in a beautiful, lovely way, delusional to think that we can make a freaking career out of podcasting and astrology so true, right? So I think that you have to be a little delusional. The problem where people fall into the trap, especially in the film industry, in the music industry, and arts in general, but those industries specifically is when the delusion passes a threshold where now you lose point of reality, where you're so delusional in the believing of you, of what you think you can accomplish, like I've had so many I used to consult in the film industry, and people would come to me and they go, I think this is perfect for Leo. I go, Leo. Who DiCaprio? Are you out of your mind? That's not going, that's not, no, I'm not a dream Crusher, but that's not gonna you could just look at the history. The man's not gonna do a $400,000 indie movie because you're cool and you believe it's perfect for him.

So what are you saying that dreaming is important and reality comes and crashes?

Well, no, I think dreaming is extremely important, because without the dreaming, right, nothing gets built, nothing gets made. You have to dream, and sometimes the reality, you have to look at things are so unrealistic to even make things go like again, you and I's career completely unrealistic. No road map to say that we were going to be successful. So is delusional to go down these roads. That's true, no question. But there is a point where reality does hit, you hit a wall, and the universe will give you that that wall. Now, sometimes it's a test to see how you could keep going. But this is the weird thing about this. Should I just keep going? I'm only I'm only three feet away from the gold.

Debra Silverman 38:56
See, this is where astrology really helps. If you would have come to me, yeah, and you would have said to me, I have this dream I want, I really want to be when I grow up, a filmmaker. This is but I have this calling, or so it seems I'm supposed to be a podcast host. I would look at this chart and I would say, here's the story in no uncertain terms, your mid heaven. I love these astrology terms, the indicator in the chart that describes your career is at 29 degrees Leo, which means this career position for you has got to include you. You have to be at the center of it, but your Scorpio rising can't stand that. You're like not me, but you're but looking at the chart, but looking at the chart, I'm giving you the clue, 29 degrees, the higher, the more presence you put around Alex Ferrari, and the more you use your name and your and then that's the function of the chart describing your purpose which will give you success, but your personnel, your soul, is going, I don't wanna, Oh God, I fought taking pictures of you, but I'm here to tell you, as your astrologer, the more that you show up in your career with a very shiny front and a very willing exposure of saying yes, applaud me, even though you're part of you hates it. That's gonna fulfill. Your promise on that's what astrology is for. That's why we have astrologers on my team. And I do this matchmaking matchmaking. I look at all their charts, people that call me, the ones that come from your show, and then I fix them up with an astrologer, and I see who's compatible. Because you're so deep and you're so ridiculously stubborn, like when you get sucked on something and you think it's yours and it's you're gonna do it. I would not want to have, yeah, your poor wife, like when you finally stick your like nails down and no one argues with you, because you're right. That's another part, when your instinct is that strong. So the point of that story is there's clues on the chart that let us know how to assist somebody. That's the thing I want to say to you guys, people don't know what they're doing here. Well, use the file that came from the Akashic records that has your name on it. That's going to let me be the revealer. That's what astrology is for. Just reading the book, if you can't get a reading the book gives you enough clues, like your single factor, one of my favorite planets is Saturn, and you have Saturn only one I've told you this, but you don't remember it. People don't remember it's so funny. They don't remember what I say in astrology, but they remember the feeling. And what I said to you in the first read, the first session, was you came in with discipline this life in a very strong purpose. That's Saturn. Only once a year is the Sun and Saturn standing together. That's the week you were born. And what that tells us is you came with past life memories that said, I really want to help people. It's in cancer. I want to be the one that gives them the emotional content to let them trust and have faith in God, really, that's what you Yeah, I'm all in. However, I'm going to get a little distracted, because I have this control issue, and I want it to be my way. I'm a director. And God said, No, I'm a director. Yeah, I'm a filmmaker. And God said, No, you're not in the director role. In this position, we're going to stand in the front. You're going to be seen. How contrary. So how many of you have idea? How many of you have an idea of what you thought you were going to do? I think of Collette Baron Reed, who she thought she would be a singer. She was all about her singing, and she ends up as a medium, and she so didn't want to do it. Same for me as a writer. For me, I was so resistant. So use resistance announcement the charts going to help you recognize when it's really true that you don't want to do it because your soul is saying I can't, or when it's your ego saying I don't want to do it because you're lazy or you're tired, or you're scared, or you've got a whole story going.

Alex Ferrari 42:08
You know what's interesting? As you're saying this, when opportunities present themselves in your life and you're scared of them, that's when you need so good that's a good sign. That's when you need to watch as Joseph Campbell says, The treasure you seek is in the cave you're afraid to walk into.

Debra Silverman 42:22
Double Scorpio. You're so good at that. So you did it, and I did it, and we're asking you to do it, and I'm talking about the planet right now. Can we do a big picture? There's this giant feeling similar, that something's really wrong. It's a scary door to go through. We're not going to make it through this threshold. We don't want to talk about we didn't want to watch the news. So many people have given up on the news. Now it is fake. I'm sure there's a whole bunch of stories inside that, but what it does for me, just like watching a movie, I think to myself, wow, my family, the zeitgeist is talking about this unbelievable polarity and the disharmony that occurs at the leadership level. We don't trust them anymore. We can't tell are they on our team or not. And then I bring it back home, and I go, Oh, but I can trust my leadership, and I can listen to my own voices. And this becomes the access of a it's almost like this outer extreme case of what's going on on planet earth is going to bring us home to ourselves to find out whether we can trust ourselves, whether we have faith, whether we know that all this was meant to be, that these beings have been with us, watching, smiling, laughing at us, going, oh my god, the drama down there. They're really getting captured by the fear factor, and it's real to the human back to the first conversation at the base level of the human condition. We all are the same no matter what level of consciousness. The shortest verse in the Bible, Jesus wept. I mean, those tears came down his face. The Human Condition is existent in this physical plane at the same time. And here we are on Good Friday at the same time. The resurrection is, can I go to the next level soul? Can I remember this is a movie? Can I give myself permission to know that nothing's wrong just for a second, just consider that all of this was meant to be. And you signed up for this. You really wanted to be here. You were so excited to come down. You were like, I'm going to interview the coolest people. I'm going to find the highest level of consciousness and share with everyone I know I'm a cancer double Scorpio. I'll help everyone's emotional by they're like, we got a hot one here. And then he was like, Nah, just kidding. Don't really want, I want some great cheesecake. And then eventually, and then eventually, your sassy little friend, Connie came in and reminded you, and that's why I'm here to remind you that you have to listen to those little voices, and if it's delusional, you'll find out. But don't stop.

Alex Ferrari 44:28
No, you have to go down the delusional path in order to find out. But you have to go down these paths. You How many delusional paths I've walked down in my lifetime. I just want to see where your Neptune is. I mean, delusional in relationships with with women, delusional in career

Debra Silverman 44:44
Opposite Venus, yeah. So you are an imagine, you see potential, and you see dreams, and you see possibly, I can see a few steps ahead, yes. And you have no earth, so you forget the practicality until your wife comes around.

Alex Ferrari 44:55
Correct! I've gotten better. I've gotten a lot better. A lot of that Earth has kind of fallen on this. By being near her for 20

Debra Silverman 45:01
And you have Saturn on your sun, which is a very strong indicator that you listen.

Alex Ferrari 45:06
I do. I do. I do.

Debra Silverman 45:07
And that's a great question to ask the audience. Are you listening like stop time? Every once in a while, this is what the podcast is for. It stimulates error. We're making everyone think. And then when this is over and we're left alone, do we listen to home office. Do we actually pray and say, Tell me what I'm here to do help me have my faith again. Astrology is the quickest shortcut to having faith, because it's so accurate.

Alex Ferrari 45:31
So Debra, when we were talking outside, you said in the chart you can figure out, or you actually looked up, why our episode did so well, yeah. Why did it do because where is it now? Like almost a million,

Debra Silverman 45:42
Over 900,000 over 900,000

Alex Ferrari 45:44
Jesus good lord, that's crazy. That's, I mean, that's a great episode. I mean, yes, that's,

Debra Silverman 45:48
I want to ask the audience, what did you guys like about it so much?

Alex Ferrari 45:50
I mean, I mean, I mean, it's that we have chemistry. There's no, there's no question.

Debra Silverman 45:54
What is better question is, that's what I could see. So when I look at the chart, I could see immediately. It's so loud, there's so many places. So if I say it astrologically, which you won't get at all. I have my Mars is sitting on all three of your planets in cancer. This is so crazy. Your Moon is sitting exact degree on my Neptune. We have the Neptune energy that you keep talking about. The delusion where we connect is we both have this great love for these beings. So I saw it in the chart before I got here. It's like, when I worked with Sting, I had sting, I traveled. And the first time I looked at his chart and I looked at my chart, I was like, Oh, baby, we have chemistry. And as soon as I sat down, it's similar, you know, when you meet someone, where you go? Why is this so much fun? Every part of me lights up that Neptune on my moon activates my seeing, my intuition. So I become very animated. As you can all see, I'm really in life. I'm kind of boring.

Alex Ferrari 46:43
She's she's she's not this person. She's this is an act. She's completely fake. She's very serious

Debra Silverman 46:50
I don't hang out with a lot of people. I'm like you. I have an eighth house son. I have an internal world that's very wrong, very just like what your wife said. It loves to go home. Me too, yeah. But in your case, sitting next to you, I'm animated and activated and inspired. And what was it in the chart that told me was these are called conjunctions, and when they're exact degree like that, when my Mars activates all of your emotions and your moon activates all my dreams, then there's chemistry. And it's really astrological.

Alex Ferrari 47:16
It's really interesting. And maybe you can tell me why this happens. When I sit down with a guest, instinctively, I can feel their energy, not thinking, I don't think triple water, you're triple so I can feel their energy, and I will match totally. So if you're really serious, I'm not gonna be like this all the time. Even though I can be be very animated and very funny and very clicking, I could do all that. But like when Zach came a few double Scorpio, Zach's energy is, is the same as you, yeah? But so we, we have a wonderful and was just a deep conversation with it, an occasional joke,

Debra Silverman 47:54
Right! Welcome to astrology, yeah. This is called chemistry, and you were matching him, because you do this anyways, your triple water, so your whole system water people can feel people. It's not mental. It's the telepathy tapes. It's the people that can't talk. Did you hear about the tele Of course, I've had ones, yeah. Oh my goodness. I mean, what a symbol for us to learn that the water people that don't talk have another level of communication going on. So you read people and you feel their energy. That's water ear. People can't stop talking, so they don't that's I have shades of this, not a lot. I've adjusted as I've grown up, but they talk so much they forget to listen. So the chemistry gets altered. Except if someone wants to talk with them, otherwise, they talk over people. They bump into people. And the earth, people are very solid. They're steady. They don't even want to talk. And the fire people get all excited like this, and down. Ash Zach Bush is a double water sign. His Scorpio matched your water. It didn't require giggles. It required focus and depth. And I can only, I can't wait to watch that.

Alex Ferrari 48:53
It's, it's one of the it's one of my favorite conversations ever had on the show.

Debra Silverman 48:57
I know he's his Aquarius rising. He's a genius.

Alex Ferrari 48:59
And because we took, we went to places that he's never gone to before, because we, because he, they always want to talk about the doctor stuff and the in the, you know, health stuff and that kind of,

Debra Silverman 49:08
Did he tell you his near death experience?

Alex Ferrari 49:11
Yeah, I think he did. He did mention that, but we went down the spiritual path, and he had,

Debra Silverman 49:16
He's a giant. He's one of these guys. He's one of the most high level. He's Yes, so all that is to say Next Level Soul, a soul that came in. Zach Bush, you myself, I came in knowing astrology when I was a kid. I would have been the kid that would have sat at the piano and started playing without having had a piano lesson. I knew astrology from when I was a child, and as soon as I met my first astrologer, this is going to make you laugh. One of the things he said, he looked at my chart, and he said, you're going to be very successful as an astrologer, or you're going to be a prostitute. I was like, wait, what he said? This chart is so full of energy, and it's so not traditional, and you have no you never take no for an answer, and you're so juicy. I was like, that's just I was so young. I was like, Okay, I'm going with the first one,

Alex Ferrari 49:58
Prostitute and juicy. You shouldn't say

Debra Silverman 50:01
It was right there in the chart, the grand Trine and fire in the earth houses in my Uranus. It's all astrological jargon, but short to say people can look at charts. This is such a cool thing to know. I can look at people's charts and see the evolution.

Alex Ferrari 50:12
All right, so let me ask you, Debra, for people who, I mean, people who are terrified right now about what's happening, because the world's a little wonky right now. It's the wonky. It's it's been, I think, since in our lifetime, without question, my lifetime and your World War Two, similar World War Two, the world literally was, I mean, no one really knew every time an empire goes down. So, okay, so let's go for that for a second. What was there astrologically happening during World War Two? Because, great question, because it's something that like, that's such a pivotal moment in human history. Wow. So what was going on astrologically? Because there was a, it wasn't a change of not like what we're going through now, two different eras, but there was something that happened

Debra Silverman 50:54
That's so interesting. You're making me think about astrology in 1930 couple things happen. One is the first time they ever saw Pluto. So it was the first time our collective, just like Pluto, just moved into Aquarius. I don't know if you've heard that

Alex Ferrari 51:06
Is Pluto a planet. I heard it wasn't. No, I heard Pluto's not a

Debra Silverman 51:12
Loaded by a there was 100 astronomers sitting in a room, and they decided Pluto wasn't a planet. However, in the tarot deck, they left a card for it, okay, fair, it's never, ever gonna go away. I don't know how they decided that, yes, Pluto did not get demoted. It still exists. Okay, good. And you know why they wanted to demote it? Because it rules fear. That's the first time in 1930 we found the planet Pluto, and it represents the furthest planet out we can't see it with the human eye. It rules Scorpio. It's all about fear, and that's what happened. What was that?

Alex Ferrari 51:41
The unknown because, yeah, so far out there, it's like, we can't

Debra Silverman 51:43
And that's the question. So the first question you're asking about what happened in World War Two. Pluto was discovered in 1930 let's see, Saturn in that year would have been in Capricorn. It was. It's similar to what happened in 2020. We it's a similar era where, when the that crazy epidemic happened and we were all staying at home, there's something similar to what's about to happen. My intuition, if I were to compare that time, and it does feel similar to what's happening now, similar to the pandemic. We feel like, as astrologers, we feel like something's coming. We know, obviously everyone can see it loud, you know, on the news, the mystery is we don't see the miracle in it. And that was what happened in World War Two. It looked like the look. Think about that. That war went on for so long, it was so violent, it was so evil, and then it completed, and an entire new era showed up, the most successful era in human history. Okay, so can we make a note, this is the scariest time in history. Again, we have very short memories. We're kind of like goldfish. Our memories are not very developed. That's why we study astrology to develop your left brain and remember things. And in the end, life always survives by the blessing of these ones who are watching us. It's always going to be true that there'll be protection in angels, and the codes are going all through the angels, all through the systems, so that our minds the cute little thing we have here, the funny little operating system, it can't see the long picture, but I promise you, just like watching a woman give birth, if you'd never seen it before, you would think it was the most horrible experience of your wife screaming. And then comes the miracle. So something's gonna happen. Will the humans survive? I don't know the if we even need to, as we are, there is a shift. Ai, the new chromosomes that are being described. There's so much science involved. Something new is being birthed. We just can't see it. So when you ask about your career, our future, the planet, the question is, do you trust Do you know this is being watched. Do you know that you have angels that follow you around? You know this? They show up in your studio all the time. So everybody take a breath and know that we're being watched and that the best thing we could do in the meantime is not so much. Think about the future. Is do everything you can to do the next right thing in the now. Take care of your body, take care of your heart. Learn about meditation. Follow these masters. They've done it in following this podcast is the smartest thing you can do, because he brings on the best minds. I watch it all the time. Oh, thank you. Yes, it's so exciting and it's so inspirational, because the only way the mind comes to peace is when it feels like it has enough information to stop, or you learn meditation, and you find that little off knot,

Alex Ferrari 54:25
And then then everything starts to open up.

Debra Silverman 54:27
And that's what these guys learn. Look at them. They don't talk. They never talk. The highest masters are all in silence, all those telepathy tapes, those wisdom that came out of those children. It wasn't with words, it's with the ability to be still. Now I should talk. I'm a Gemini. I just talked for I don't even know how long he makes me talk for so long I am a talker, and at the same time, I've learned, and I tattooed it on my arm, that the words listen and silent have the same letters. So in order for me to listen, I have to stop that voice in my head. And how do I do it? But it's a practice. And I follow these guys,

Alex Ferrari 55:03
So as we, as we've been talking, I started to go back in my in my head, throughout history, and every time there's been a major thing for humanity, more recently, because World War Two was a global thing, our civil war here in the States, and there's many pandemic the pandemic was another one more currently, but there's always, it always ends. It's a cycle, like everything in life, you know, it ends. And when it ends, it's generally not, you know, just keeps going into worse and worse and worse. There is some sort of Upswing about it. There's a lot of positive that happened. The pandemic was It was first time in human history that the entire planet stopped for, you know, human humanity stopped. Amazing. It was insane. I mean, you think back at it, like the whole everything, everyone just said, Nope, we're all staying in the house for like, two or three weeks. I remember, you know, the planet just pretty much stopped. Dolphins came back to Venice. That's what I heard, you know. And, like, you know, and nature just started to flourish again with our monkey butts, you know, good, you know, causing all the trouble that we cause. But there was a lot of positive that stopped everybody just enough

Debra Silverman 56:13
The world changed after we all work at home. Now we have cyberspace. We have an incredible sense of value for community. We found out how important it was.

Alex Ferrari 56:20
There was a lot of value in that, and continues to be and continues to it ripples. It's rippled throughout humanity, and I think this time, this decade that we're in,

Debra Silverman 56:29
But you're an optimist, which is so surprising, because you're a double Scorpio was Zach Bush an optimist?

Alex Ferrari 56:34
No,

Debra Silverman 56:37
The scientists are not so positive. It's real. The spiritual ones know that this has been written. The scientists have hard evidence that we're not in a good way.

Alex Ferrari 56:46
He's like, No, there's we've could we might have just crossed the line, cross the line that we can't come back from, you know, in a way that we understand. And the humanity can't continue to go the path it's going. Because if we continue, we will destroy ourselves.

Debra Silverman 57:01
Exactly no hurting the host. There's no water, the plastic, the oil, the heat, the temperatures, the fires, yeah, that we have, I have to keep going.

Alex Ferrari 57:09
I mean that we have to have blue 97 in our food, or red 16. You know, it makes no

Debra Silverman 57:15
Were dated, yes. So the good news is, there's those of us and you're helping next level soul. There is going to be a level shift onto the level of consciousness in this planet. And those of us that are with you, that have been listening to your podcasts, that are reading the spiritual books, that are studying, we're going to find peace, the ones that don't have this wisdom, that don't know how to find comfort. That's going to be a very painful existence. So there's going to be a big split. This is it's in astrology, 101, we are walking into the potential of a civil war, which is simply to say, there's two different flavors. There's the ones that believe in all the magic. They're the ones that really don't believe and think this is a bunch of like, I don't believe in astrology said the name of the book. And then the ones that do believe will be the ones to herald in and to hold and to provide the wisdom. It's like when I see an accident, I'm always the one that walks up to the woman that's sitting on the street this happened recently, and just put my hand down and just stop and be the angel. I pretend I'm an angel. If everybody just pretended they were an angel in the transition they were in the midwife room, the whole thing would be so different. But you guys know who you are. If your emotional body, you see not everyone's as happy. You have a past life of like being a Buddha, like somebody tickled you a lot. Look at his face. And I, too, came in with an excess of though I suffer from depression, I have this funny little funny bone that I laugh for no reason. But not everyone has that. So if you don't know how to find the joy factor, the job is take a breath. Start practicing slowing everything down and just pretending you have faith. And start by saying, I'm learning how to love myself. I'm learning how to trust I do believe in magic. Just pretend.

Alex Ferrari 58:51
You know what's funny. One of the main comments I get on the show is, Is he is he really that happy? Why is your face? Why is he always laughing? That's fake. It has to be fake. You've been in the room with me.

Debra Silverman 59:04
Oh, no, no, you're the real thing. Yes, I couldn't fake laugh if I tried, right? No, your chart is an actor, right?

Alex Ferrari 59:11
So I could. That's why I find it funny. I find that funny.

Debra Silverman 59:14
But the joy that you're carrying because of your wife and those girls in your career is because you're on your path. It's the most delightful feeling. Same for me. And I want people to figure out using this chart, this is my dream. If people would simply ask the question, What am I doing here? How do I use astrology to help me remember why I'm here? I look at his chart, you are here in no uncertain terms, as a double Scorpio, because the birth time wasn't true the first time. Haha. We had to adjust. Yes, we did. I didn't announcement because my kids were born at noon, right? So he just assumed his twin girls had the same birth time as it's so cancer, it's okay. I'm just like that, no.

Alex Ferrari 59:51
And then when my mom watched our episode, she's like, calls me up like you weren't born at noon. You were born at five.

Debra Silverman 59:57
Okay? Full disclosure, I. Yes, which made you a double Scorpio, which means that your intuition and your capacity to go deep and to really trust your water, which is what we're all longing for, is the Next Level Soul assignment for all of us

Alex Ferrari 1:00:12
Now, is there a an astrological blueprint for Humanity like this chart for humanity

Debra Silverman 1:00:19
You ask the best questions

Alex Ferrari 1:00:21
Because we're going through it like as a collective. Yes, we are all going through something right now. Yes. And we are all journeying as a collective. We're all choosing to go through this in order to, I think, survive and ascend, and ascend to evolution and evolve to a next level.

Debra Silverman 1:00:37
That's the point of the whole existence. Everything's evolving exactly so, yes, there's, of course, that's what I'm speaking to in the next in 2025 and especially 2026 starting in January, all the outer planets, which is a reflection of the collective, which speaks to the zeitgeist, like the collective planetary energy is changing into fire and air. It's a combustive energetic AI, ETS, all these strange words are coming into focus, and that's the next rendition of what we're going to be whether or not we survive with the physical plane of earth the way we've treated it. Is a question. Can she handle 8 billion people? Can this much toxicity live inside of our water, our air? Can we really deal with plastic to that tune in the oceans. And then there's these new beings, like your daughters. There's a whole bunch of a generation coming in that are bringing in brand new thoughts, like Zach Bush, that are coming in, that are 12 now, that are brilliant. So there will be assistance, and we are being watched. But there is a radical transition, and it's debatable the level of survival that will occur. The humans hate to say that, did I say that out loud?

Alex Ferrari 1:01:44
It is,

Debra Silverman 1:01:46
I don't know, 8 billion people is a lot of people. Yeah, but, but birth rates are going down left so they say 8 billion. I every time I hear that, I get so pissed off. 8 billion people walking around a planet that should only be at 2 billion at most to be able to survive healthily. It's, it's the traffic coming to just where you live. I've never seen so many cars in my whole life. I live in Austin, there's just, LA, okay, well, all I see is cars. There's a lot of people here, and it's putting off a lot of fumes. And, by the way, there's a consideration, I don't care what it's going to be, there's 8 billion now, and if you just stop and think about that,

Alex Ferrari 1:02:18
Well, I mean, when I was talking to Zack you, we were talking about birth rates, and where us is, is in a collapse, because so many people are scared to have babies. And China, he's like, Japan is it's gone in 50 years. You won't there's just not, there's just not enough old people. That's what I heard. It's almost like nine 80% older people, like, you know, over

Debra Silverman 1:02:39
So there's an organic there's an organic evolutionary curve, and nature will take care of herself, and the mind has no business trying to figure it out, because where we're going to find solace, where we're going to be at peace, I hope this is true for me, that I will be wise enough and calm enough to deal with whatever the flavor is as we go through this transition, because I am a very Good midwife.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:00
So let me ask you this, because you've brought this up a couple times, the mind has no business trying to understand it. What I've discovered in my journeys is that feeling is so much more powerful than mind. Mind is extremely limited. It's kind of like the hardware is it's faulty. It's not only faulty, but it's like 1984 you know, floppy disk kind of hardware. It's very limiting. Where feeling is, the cloud, it's, it's literally almost endless about computing power. So you're so you're open, so when you feel things, it's so much more. And speaking to so many near death experience or speaking to, to, you know, gurus and spiritual teachers. They understand that when they're on the other side, especially the MDS, when they're on the other side, when they're there, they've said to me so many times, I knew everything. I just I didn't even have to ask the question, and I already knew the answer, because I was tapped into the cloud up there. I when I come back down, I can't bring that information with me, because this floppy disk can't handle it. So if we start to feel more and stop thinking so much, it means so much more, like Yogananda said, it's like I stopped. I don't read books. I have experience. I my education comes from source. My my knowledge comes from source.

Debra Silverman 1:04:22
That's a level that's the next level of consciousness, and that's why the last chapter of my book says, Put down the book. It says, go to the 13th. It says, now you're done, put the book down. And it says, Put your ego. I'm glad you learned about who you were, and now turn off your mind and open up your heart. Can we end there? Because this is going on so long.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:41
It's don't be afraid to talking.

Debra Silverman 1:04:43
No, I'm not afraid. I just want to be really pointed and say the end of the story is you put down your mind and all the and I love that you listen to I listen I listen to you. I love the function of the mind to your point. It's limited. And when you get to your heart, into the emotional body, and. You realize that the real wisdom comes from the love that we have for each other, that we're trying to have for ourselves, that we have for God, that we have for these masters. That's the bottom note. So it's really I want to just say this. Please don't let your mind scare you. I feel like I'm a mom, like I'm just giving people a hug and saying I you know what I wanted to name the book, but I still like you, but they wouldn't let me, but that's what I wanted to say, It's okay. You're you're operating stop, but don't worry, it's going to be okay. That's what I'm trying to say.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:35
How can astrology help people deal with grief, understanding their astrology deal with the grief and the fear that they're in such a all that they're going through right now?

Debra Silverman 1:05:47
Well, that's more, you know, you know, I have a master's in clinical psych. That's more of a therapeutic question, and that's what I married in the book, the therapy with the astrology. You're asking a question, how can the human condition deal with grief using their chart, there's seasons in the chart. So I can look at your chart and go, Oh, look, he's in a work cycle. So for the next two years, you're in details, and it's really important. But then in two years from now, you're going to go deeply internal. So it's just knowing those seasons are coming, just to your point about the cycles that move. That's the value of astrology. There's seasons where the grief gets really bad, permission to feel it, to go get the therapy, to ask for help. And then there's seasons where you're cut off and you're like, you know what? I want to talk about it. And you learn in the chart. The reason that things go through seasons is so that we don't get saturated in one or the other, and we keep on moving. And that's the art of this life, knowing how to move through seasons and cycles. And by the way, your chart in 2020 because that's what you said. That's when you really got the kick in the butt. 2021 Yeah, that was Saturn, opposite Saturn. One of the pieces in the book is there's seasons. And you can look at the chart and realize, Oh, I'm gonna get a kick in the butt like I knew, I knew when the book was coming out, from my chart, that I was going into one of those big change cycles. And I don't know about you, but I don't like change. Some people are really good at it,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:04
Not particularly, I mean, I don't mind it. It doesn't bother me. Like, I like, tomorrow, you're like, hey, we're gonna move to Paris. I'm like,

Debra Silverman 1:07:10
I don't think, I don't think that's true for me. How long have you lived here four years, and how long have you been in that same house four years? And how long is the longest you've lived somewhere

Alex Ferrari 1:07:23
On and off in Florida, but, LA, I was 13 years.

Debra Silverman 1:07:26
Yeah, I don't think you're that good at change.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:28
No. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I'm not a vagabond. I don't just travel, you know, like, you know,

Debra Silverman 1:07:35
You're very committed. I'm Yeah, but if someone Yeah, you have a routine. I do have a routine, but you know what, when, but I am like that too. My point is I don't like change. And I saw it coming in my chart. And I can look at your chart and tell you, and when the change comes, I have to grip some people are really good at I'm sure you will follow directions from home office.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:53
Oh yeah, home office calls. And now look, the second that the show did what it did, and I knew that I wasn't controlling it. That changed my life, because I was like, Oh, I'm not doing this. That was my proof that I am not in control of this, and that there's definitely something or someone, or groups of someone's doing work behind me, pushing this, this, pushing, pushing this engine behind me. I'm there to cut the wood in the carry the water. I when I when that happened, by the way, I was so free. I took a breath. I'm like, Oh God, I don't have to carry all this weight by myself. I'm not alone.

Debra Silverman 1:08:32
I want everyone to have that. Everyone have that. That's what we all and if you pray and you ask for that, and you keep doing the cut, carry the water, chop the wood. You guys, there are angels watching. You just really got lined up.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:45
Yeah, everything just lined up. And I just, I was at a place in my life was just like, Okay, if that would have happened to me when I was in my 20s, I wouldn't have seen it. I just would enough. I would have just been like, let's go.

Debra Silverman 1:08:56
That's why aging is so wonderful. Aging is wonderful in some parts. I'm loving it, and that's because I don't have the cheesecake. I don't have the cheese. Fair enough, I have learned how to age by keeping my body, but that's just discipline, and that's what I figured. I watched all my friends. I'm going to my 50th high school reunions. 50th high school reunion. They call me Peter Pan, but it's because I am very disciplined. I feel very disciplined about I want to be of service to my family at the highest level and keep my body and that doesn't include cheesecake well sometimes, but I'm very deliberate about it. I turn on my observer and I go, not today, like I knew I was coming on the show and I knew this week was super intense, so I turned up the volume of discipline tomorrow. It's over. Yeah, I'm back off. And that's what's so smart, is knowing how to have the observer on and have free will, rather than being compulsive one way or the other.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:45
I'm going to ask you a few questions I ask all my guests good what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Debra Silverman 1:09:51
Exactly what you said listening to home office, serving my family of humanity, knowing that I really do contribute, that I am a. Healing force that I walk in a room. It's so fulfilling that I can bring calm that fulfills my purpose. I feel like I just love the fact that I wasn't always like this, that I reached a level where I can walk in a room and I know that my contribution is stillness. It's very fulfilling. It feels so good.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:18
I feel good doing this. I get you,

Debra Silverman 1:10:20
That's fulfillment. I get. We're on the same street, yeah, I think we're really 30 years I didn't feel fulfilled. Exactly. I did not. And there's a whole bunch of people nodding their head me either,

Alex Ferrari 1:10:29
Yeah, it just not fulfilled. And all of a sudden you're like, Oh, I found I found my path. I found the

Debra Silverman 1:10:34
It is service at the highest level. Feels so good.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:37
It is, it is. If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Debra. What would you what advice would you give her?

Debra Silverman 1:10:44
I would say, don't be so scared. I would just say to her, I would I wish I could have said to her, you're gonna have a beautiful life. I didn't know. You know, I had a husband that died of ms, which was really hard, and I had a father who ended up in prison. And there was just a lot of stories that were so painful that left me feeling scared. I had no idea that it was all part of the plan.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:07
It was you were being Mr. Miyagi. I was you were being Mr. Miyagi, yeah, because you couldn't see,

Debra Silverman 1:11:13
I couldn't so if I could have said to her, like, you're gonna see how this serves your evolution. And this was the karma everyone's got karma that was mine, and as I got older, I saw that it was really a gift. It's what you said on the other side. I always hear that story. They get to the other side, they're like, Oh, I knew everything without having to ask a question, it all made sense. And now I know I married what's his name, and why I had that awful relationship with what's his name, but not while you're here.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:35
No, because, and then that would defeat the purpose.

Debra Silverman 1:11:38
I guess maybe we'll change that story. When we finish this, the new rewrite, humans will be awake when they come in, and they'll be kind, and they'll be knowing astrology when they're kids. And their parents will know their chart and say, Don't you worry, Alex. You know what I'm telling you. The truth, you get better as you get older in your chart, and they would have told you that as a kid, you're gonna have a hard beginning. Don't worry. By the time you hit 30, it's all gonna turn that's what I would have told me.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:03
Now, what advice would little Debra give you?

Debra Silverman 1:12:08
She would probably say, Don't you want to play more?

Alex Ferrari 1:12:16
Really? You play all the time.

Debra Silverman 1:12:19
Hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. Wait. Let's see what I'm trying to think of something. What would I think Little Debbie would say? Let's go play. Yeah, she's my good friend. Yeah, I really do have a relationship with her, and she is a really cute little girl. And I didn't know I was a serious, miserable you won't believe this. I was a serious little girl, but now I can see I made up for lost time. Really, you're serious because it was so hard. Of course, you had life was hitting you hard. Yeah, everywhere I went, and I never had a break from when I got my grandfather was murdered when I was a child, and that was the first imprint at one and a half. And then my dad left for prison, and my brother was on heroin. There was just so much. I never had a chance to, like, be kidding, yeah, I never had a chance to feel safe. I was really scared the whole time. I kept and there was people. So what was the purpose for that? And you think, I think such a good question. I think it gave me the gift as an astrologer and therapist that no matter what someone's been through, I can follow them. So I have a well worn track of compassion for the human because I've been there. Y

Alex Ferrari 1:13:13
ou have the shrapnel that, and that's why, because if you wouldn't have gone through what you went through, you wouldn't be able to be of service in the same way as you

Debra Silverman 1:13:20
And I can go inside anyone's psyche. I love my work. I can go inside anyone's psyche fearlessly, because I've been there. I've been there, and so it's given me a human dimension, up close and personal.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:30
Would you? Would you change it?

Debra Silverman 1:13:33
You know, in my next life, I What I'd like to order is a softer child I would like to have. It makes me want to cry. I wish I had a childhood like, yeah, like, a beautiful like, some mom that really cared and people that would have really noticed that I had a gift. I mean, it was so disgusting, supportive. Yeah? And astrology. I don't want to pick a career where I'm the weird one. I don't want to do that next. I want to come in and there. It'll just be a really smooth path.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:58
Okay, fair enough. How do you define God or Source?

Debra Silverman 1:14:02
It's not easy to do with words. It's what happens when your eyes are closed and you're in meditation, you're in stillness, and you suddenly feel that warm feeling. It's the sound of your child when she's laughing or he's laughing. It's the feeling that you get when your best friend says, I miss you so much. I I feel God coming through the the human dimension of love. And then I, when I'm alone, I really feel her, and when I'm studying, or when I'm writing, I really feel a hug. I feel like someone. I don't know, is it God or is it my angels, but somebody's like, you, someone follows me around. Oh, we've got, we've got teams. And then I wonder, do they watch me when I'm in the shower?

Alex Ferrari 1:14:39
You know, that's that's the ego. That's the mom. Yeah, that's silly. They're not watching. They don't care Exactly. It's like, are you watching me wear a suit? Like, it's just,

Debra Silverman 1:14:47
No, they're just seeing myself right, exactly. Let's go back to that. Why did I even say that? Yeah, let's go back to that. I feel God in the presence of the quiet, the calm, the big fat smile, moments like this, being in the presence. Of the masters. I go into a room in Hawaii. In that room, yeah, it's beautiful. And I sit in that room, and I just pretend I'm sitting next to them. It's with the crystals. The crystals is one. And then there's a place where they have Masters, Muktananda, a statue of Muktananda. I want you to come with your wife to Hawaii, and that place, I go in there, and I meditate in a room. It's kind of a secret, and Muktananda is like, seven feet tall, and he's sitting there, and I just pretend I'm I don't know. I pretend I'm him, and then I enter into that level of consciousness, and that's where I feel God, because it doesn't really spend a lot my mind is funny, as you can see, and I have to tell it to go off line. Can we all just be quiet now? And it happens a lot when I'm alone. It used to be being alone made me sad and depressed or scared and lonely. Why? Because I was so little and alone so much, and I didn't know that God was there. It took me a while to find out that. Now, when I'm alone, I feel like it's a secret, like I can't see them, but I know they're there.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:55
Well, I mean, I've seen it so much in my own life, I just know that that's I just said,

Debra Silverman 1:15:59
But you have two children and a wife. I am single, and it took me a while to accept that I was single and to live in a world where my kids were gone. It was real. That was the good news about that pandemic. I was face to face with loneliness, and then I realized that word doesn't exist when you're sitting next to all oneness, you're never alone. I know I found that out, but it took a while. I don't know about you guys, but it was, that's why we do this, this this mass weapons of distraction, because we can't stand being alone, so we pick these things up. And so it's taken me a while about really, truly, learning about meditation and being alone, and finding out that there were angels in the room, like they're here right now.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:35
Mm, hmm. I don't see them, but I feel them same. I feel them without question. What is love?

Debra Silverman 1:16:43
The angels giving me a hug.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:46
Beautiful answer. If you could ask God or Source one question, what would it be?

Debra Silverman 1:16:51
It wouldn't be one question. And they don't want me to ask because I know that I kind of irritate them already. I always say I'm going to go straight home in the front office, and I'm going to say, why so much pain for the human condition? Why do we have to learn from mistakes? Why was the mind so shut down? Why was it so limited in its bandwidth? How come the heart had to get broken to get healed? I don't understand any of it. I have a list of questions. So if you want me to ask one, oh no, they don't want to see me. I'm really convinced. So when I get there, gonna be like we knew she was coming. Can you, you know who's taking care of her? It'll be some supervisor. Get Marge Martin. Get Marge Yeah, because this one just has a list, I have a lot of questions. I just want to know why we had to use pain as the doorway to learn.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:32
What do you think your life review is going to be like?

Debra Silverman 1:17:35
I think I did a good job. Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah. That makes me want to cry. I think my dad will be there, and my husband will be there, and the people that I've loved, and they'll be able to say, good job, Deb. And I know this book was the legacy that I was meant to leave, that I didn't want to do, but it was the astrology of almost 50 years that I wanted to say to people up and I still like you. I'm in love with you. I don't care what you're here. We all are. I know all of us are, and I'm in love. I fall in love so easily because I see the soul like I have this gift of being able to not get caught by the outer so I think at my review, when I get down to the final stage, they're going to say, Thanks, Deb, thanks for taking astrology to Earth.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:15
But isn't it? Isn't it the case that we're all just I think we're all at a core level, terrified of this entire experience, because we don't know what the hell's going on. It's the fool. We're thrown into this video game, and we're like, what is there a giant monkey throwing?

Debra Silverman 1:18:32
But if you barrels at us, if you want to learn the simple answer of how to use the four elements that the magician the first stop, I have a book called the missing element. I have a school where I teach people. I have astrologers that help. There is a code. It doesn't echo, and once the fools the first card. But if you land to the magicians desk and he takes out the four elements and you study it, I promise you can do magic, they don't call him the magician for no reason at all,

Alex Ferrari 1:18:56
Fair enough. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of this life?

Debra Silverman 1:19:00
I think it's to wake up inside the dream and to make the bridge between the worlds and to see if I can stay awake as I die this lifetime and not feel scared, because I knew it was just another dream to really be at peace that it is a dream. It continues on both sides. You are not going to be left out. You are totally loved, and you're safe beautifully. Said. That feels so good. I hope it's true.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:27
I think it is. And where can people find out more about you? Pick up your book. I don't believe in astrology. I do believe in astrology. And all the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Debra Silverman 1:19:36
It's just three words. Debra Silverman Astrology, it's on all the social media places. And you've been such an ally. And I want to thank you for what you're doing, for the planet and for my community. People fell in love with you, and it helped them to see parts of me. You have a gift, just as you did today, of bringing out the depths of people, just why Zach Bush told secrets, why I'm almost crying. So thank you. You are absolutely you know this on the right street. And my job this life is to help people find the right street.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:03
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Debra Silverman 1:20:06
Just trust. Put your hand on your heart every day and just lie to start with, I trust, even if you don't just start giving yourself back to the part of you that trusts the sun's coming up, the moon's moving in perfect increments. It's been organized, as Einstein said, God's not playing with dice. This is not random, of course not. Yeah. So thank you. Thank you for being a voice that's touching so many of us,

Alex Ferrari 1:20:30
And thank you for coming on the show, Debra. It's you're always welcome. I love our conversations. I looked at my questions once, I think the entire time we were here. Because why? We're just gonna go and flow and have fun, and it's just like, and we, the second you sat down, we were off to the races. And it's, it's just the way it is. So I appreciate you so much, and I love you. I really, truly love you. So thank you again for being on the show.

Debra Silverman 1:22:22
Thank you!