Jesus Christ Channelled Message to Humanity with Anjie Hipple

Anjie Hipple 0:00
God is so loving and so caring, and also will burn you in hell forever if you have a misstep. Well, there's so much twisting that goes on with scriptures and different things.

Alex Ferrari 0:11
No one really knows what was said. No one really know what was written. We know that there was something called the Council of Nicea that put all the stories of Jesus together, and they conglomerate it all into this New Testament feeling a little thin. Hey, let's take the Torah. Let's put that in here as well. Has nothing to do with Jesus's teachings.

Anjie Hipple 0:29
I look at scripture now, and I'm like, You know what scripture really is? It's about people that were just people doing peoplely things, and they had a real, true encounter with the divine, and it was so special to them that they wanted to record it and share it, but it was never meant to be like this rule book for us to live our life by.

Alex Ferrari 1:02
I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Anjie Hipple, how you doing?

Anjie Hipple 1:06
My husband, Chuck told me you were gonna say that

Alex Ferrari 1:08
Yes, of course, I always say that

Anjie Hipple 1:10
Yes, I'm great. It's so good to be here. So good to be here. Thank you, Alex.

Alex Ferrari 1:14
Thank you. Thank you so much for coming back. I'm so excited to have you back. Our last conversation not only did well, but it was a pretty moving conversation, because you brought in some of my favorite masters,

Anjie Hipple 1:28
I know you. You so surprised. I mean, you were surprised by, yeah, I was kind of put on the spot, but fortunately, it wasn't on me, Babaji, and it was an amazing time. It was so stunned after, I was like, Wow. I didn't know that could happen,

Alex Ferrari 1:44
Because you knew of Yogananda and of Babaji, but you really never studied them or

Anjie Hipple 1:49
No I haven't read any of their materials. I just had a vague impression of, like, who they were,

Alex Ferrari 1:53
Right! And they can't, you can't. They came right in, and it was this beautiful. It's one of my favorite interactions with a channeled session because of that. I was like, oh God. And when Babaji showed up, I was just like, Baba Ji, what would you like to say? I was shocked, too. Oh, so like, Would you like to say anything to the world? And he said, he didn't. He did. He was like, No, I'm just happy to be here. I'm like, Oh, I better come up with some questions at the beginning. He's like, good for you for getting me here. Good for you. I always, people always ask, what's the energy like with Baba Ji? I go, wow. Baba Ji's energy is very, very Yoda esque, kind of mischievous, yeah, like an impish Yoda, very wise, very deep, but kind of like I inferred the geeks in the audience. It's kind of, when you meet Yoda for the first time, an Empire Strikes Back, and he's like, pretending he's not Yoda, yeah, and he's having fun and exactly that kind of thing.

Anjie Hipple 2:46
It totally felt that. I felt that energy. I felt like he was teasing you a little bit.

Alex Ferrari 2:49
He did. Yes, he was. He was like, good for you. You got me here. I'm so happy. So before we start doing channeling with Judah and and the rest of the gang, whoever that is is going to show up today, you and I were having lunch, and we were having this amazing conversation about something that's very dear to both you and I's heart, which is religious trauma, which is a thing. It's a, it's a, it's an actual thing now, where it wasn't as much in the past, but so many people, millions of people, are leaving organized religion in the way that they were brought up with it, like you and I did that no one really talks about the trauma that happens when you are basically ripped out of you rip yourself out, or you're pushed out of the only community, family, friends, infrastructure that you have so family, your family, basically. So I would love to kind of dive into that, because I think so many people are going through that right now in the world, and it seems to be growing more and more, and we want to kind of have the conversation that hopefully will heal and help people understand what's happening to them, why it happened, so on. So can you tell everybody a little bit of your story about what happened to you and what you're still you're still dealing with to this day?

Anjie Hipple 4:11
Yeah, and you know, religious trauma syndrome, or RTS is actually a diagnosis now in the DSM, it's just kind of new in the forefront of therapy and psychology, and what they're finding out is that people like myself, who, especially those who have been raised from a very young age in and had some adverse religious experiences, and also some, of course, very beautiful ones and as Well, but there, there can be real pervasive trauma, and what they what they're discovering is that a lot of people like myself, who thought they had OCD, they perhaps, have been given diagnoses like borderline personality disorder, anxiety. Depression, that for some of these folks, those are not their misnomers, their false diagnosis. What they're actually experiencing is religious trauma syndrome. In my case, in my mid 40s, when I after I came out of religion, out of a fundamentalist Christian environment, I received a diagnosis of complex PTSD related to religious adverse religious experiences. I was basically the first few years of my life. My first impression of Jesus was from going to church with my grandmother. It was a very loving first imprint of Jesus. I remember laying my head in her lap and looking up and seeing the stained glass picture of Jesus with the little children around him. So it's a very loving, beautiful first impression. When I got to be about seven, I started asking questions of my mom, like kids, do you know about God, and is there a God? And who is he? And why is the sky blue? Things like that? And she decided it was time she'd better get back to church. She had not been in church as a young wife and mother, but she had been raised in a fundamentalist Southern Baptist Christian church. As a matter of fact, an interesting note, her last name was church and she was one of five sisters, and they called them the church women. And you know, the joke around Thanksgiving and Christmas was about the church women and how they're controlling. That was kind of, you know, my mom's history and background, sure, but she began taking me to church, and I was very hungry and very receptive to, kind of, know, this mysterious and beautiful figure called Jesus, that that I was being taught about that that healed people, these really cool things. And when I was eight years old, I was in a typical service, and the pastor gate was giving a typical Southern Baptist sermon about Jesus the need for salvation so that you don't burn forever in hell. And this in itself, of course, now I understand is super traumatizing for a little child to consider that people will burn in hell. And you know, now I understand that there's a huge double bind in that that's very painful for people to think that God is so loving and so caring and also will burn you in hell forever if you have a misstep, you know, so,

Alex Ferrari 7:25
Because God knows, nobody will ever have a misstep in life.

Anjie Hipple 7:30
Well, you know, and we're like laughing about it today, but you know, it's like sad for me to think about how brainwashed I was, how integral that was to my thinking, and how twisted that was. And even once I began coming out of it, it just took me years to kind of unpack these sorts of things and see how messed up that that was. In that moment, I had this mist come around me. This was my first kind of metaphysical, supernatural experience. I literally with my eyes open, I was encompassed in this little cloud. It was almost like a rain cloud had come and sat around me or on me while I was sitting in the pew there listening to this preaching. Now, I think that was Judah, the angels there trying to protect me from what I was hearing, right? But I kind of just, you know, there was nobody around me to explain anything. All I had was this religious indoctrination. So when the man in charge, you know, which is a whole other interesting conversation, because there's so much of male dominance for me, there was a lot of male dominance for me in my Christian upbringing, when he said that the thing I needed to do to avoid burning in hell and to prove my love for Jesus, was to go down front. And there was someone there, another older white man who had a little card with a prayer on it. And I did what you told me to do, which is to pray this prayer. And I was it was told to me that because I had prayed that prayer and made a choice to give Jesus my heart, that I would be protected forever from eternal damnation. And so I began kind of toeing the line from there. But the truth is, I think I was experiencing probably a real, true moment of being touched by the Define but because I was so young, I didn't have, like I said, Any anyone to mirror or explain what was going on with me. So they just kind of put me through the mill house of what's done, you know, for for children, and it's almost kind of, you know, part of the abuse cycle for me is in abuse. We know that there's a love bombing phase, then there's a time of tension building up to an explosion of abuse, which then is followed again by love bombing phase. More tension building, and then the abuse occurred. Occurrence, and the love bombing follows afterwards to assuage the pain of the abuse, and the love bombing keeps us coming back. So there is this kind of love bombing that happens when you make a decision to join a spiritual family, especially as a young child, when a young child expresses interest in embracing Jesus, praying the prayer, getting baptized, it's a celebration. They're given a lot of attention and approval. I was given a lot of attention and approval for I read the Bible. I didn't do it just for that, I actually had a genuine interest in kind, in trying to connect with this beautiful Jesus and with angels and but I got also a lot of approval and attention from my parents and other church leaders because, because I showed such promise as a spiritual aspirant, I remember, you know, As a child I would do like Bible drills. And there were competitions. I can still say Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua. Judges read first six and four seconds. I could, I can list all 66 books. And we would, they would actually time us to see how fast could say them all. And

Alex Ferrari 11:18
I remember dialog of films I couldn't recite full full such as monologs.

Anjie Hipple 11:25
Well, you know, and even, like, I have, like, whole big gaps, cultural gaps, like, there's whole segments of decades of rock music that I don't know about because I wasn't allowed to listen to rock music.

Alex Ferrari 11:37
That's the devil's music, obviously, absolutely. I mean, obviously in the 50s, remember Elvis was the devil, right those hips. We laugh now because considering what we see on TV now, but back then, yeah, was it on Ed Sullivan? They had to cut in above his waist. They wouldn't, they wouldn't show him shaking his hips, which was worse, because all the girls went crazy imagining what was happening

Anjie Hipple 12:04
Well, and my mother had gone to one of his concerts. Is he a woman? And she had a scandalous she had a scarf with Elvis signature on it, and she kept it all those years, hidden in a drawer. And when I found it said, Mom, what is this? Her face turned like 30 shades of red, and she was so humiliated and embarrassed, she wouldn't tell me about it. But my mom was later. My dad went into the ministry, and my dad was a fundamentalist Baptist minister. He was trained in Jerry Falwell's seminary, and my mom always toed the line. She was a stay at home mom, very devoted pastor's wife, always serving at the church. I remember when, before my dad went into ministry, one year for Christmas, he gave her a mink coat, and she was so moved by it, and tears were running down her face. She she was so moved by this thoughtful gift. But once they became pastor, she would never wear it, because she thought she shouldn't do that, and so it hung in her closet, literally till the day she died and never been worn again. Wow. Yeah. So anyway, I I toed the line. I think one of the things I was sharing, you know, at lunch, was when I was in middle school, still very devoted to this beautiful Jesus, and did have some really profound, real experiences by myself, with being visited, I think, by by spirit in that. But in middle school, I used to take my allowance money and go to the Christian bookstore and buy tracks for kids and give them out at school. And what are tracks? They are these little booklets with messages about the gospel, message of Jesus from the Bible. So I completely ostracized myself and lost any possible chance that I might be somewhat reasonably cool and Middle School. Have you heard of Jesus? It's really hard to survive middle school, but when you're passing out tracks, it's, you know, death now,

Alex Ferrari 14:10
Like even then, even back then, yeah.

Anjie Hipple 14:12
I meant, well, of course, you just was coming from this heart of love, because obviously I, I was a loving, caring kid, I didn't want my friends to go to hell. I didn't want anybody to go to hell. Imagine, and that's part of the abuse, right? Think about the pressure. I mean, for adults, we can be reason a little bit with that. But in even children, what kind of pressure to put on you to feel that you must save the world. You know, the Great Commission says, Go into all the world and preach the gospel. I don't think Jesus wrote those words. I think they were a strategic add in. This is just, you know, an opinion. I can't prove it. It's just a thought I have, but a street strategic add in. Seen by people that would profit from the expansion of the church, but imagine the pressure right on a little kid or young woman, young man, a child that they have to that their friends are going to hell if they don't save them or share Jesus with them.

Alex Ferrari 15:21
Oh, yeah, you're I went to, I went to a Jewish preschool in New York. Oh, I had really curly hair. Everyone thought I was Jewish. It was hilarious. It was hilarious. I loved it. And then I went to Catholic school. And in Catholic school, I, you know, first grade, they told me about hell, and I was like, what? Like, you can't process that as a first grader, I was, what a six, seven, if that's anything. So it terrified me. It terrified me. So when the priest showed up to teach, like, to talk to us about stuff, I'm like, Well, I'm going to be a priest. I Well, I came home one night and I'm a priest. I definitely, I'm like, if I'm a priest, I'm definitely not going to that place, right? Little did I know what happens years later to the Catholic Church?

Anjie Hipple 15:27
Unfortunately, they might be actually.

Alex Ferrari 15:31
I mean, it's insane, exactly, but I went home, I go, Mom, I'm going to be a priest. And she's like, Oh, God. She's like, Lord, please don't let this child become because my parent, my parents were, my mom was more of a Easter Christmas kind of Catholic. Yeah, you know, we go, we go to, we go to Easter Sunday, and we would go, you know, Christmas Eve, maybe, or Christmas Day. And that was essentially it. And, you know, just enough to stay in Catholic school, because you needed to do so many things

Anjie Hipple 16:52
We were the Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night. Yeah, yeah, we're all in and and 30 minutes of prayer every day. And,

Alex Ferrari 16:58
Oh,you were hardcore. Yeah, you were hardcore. What I find fascinating, Angie, is that people you're just mentioning like, oh, you know, I think it was an add on that's for strategic add on. To me, that makes nothing but logical sense, because no one really knows what was said, Right? No one really know what was written. We knew that. We know that there was something called the Council of Nicea that put all the stories of Jesus together, and they couldn't conglomerate it all into this New Testament. When they said, Hey, what this feeling a little thin, hey, let's take the Torah. Let's put that in here as well. Has nothing to do with Jesus's teachings. Let's just put all that together. And

Anjie Hipple 17:46
So all of that like makes sense for me now, and for you, sure, but by the time tradition that I was in, you know, there were these well thought out arguments for any objection that was presented like, I remember asking my dad, well, what about people in Africa that can't read the Bible and nobody's ever talked What do they say? Well, he had a really, he had a scripture that he would pull out and refer to and and say, well, this scripture says that everyone has an inner knowing of God, and, you know, and there were these really laid out well, you know, you there was just no room to to push back or to question so, and this is one of the things that's so damaging and traumatizing about it is, is you're told how to live your life, how to think, how to how to be, by exterior dogmas, community, your your pastors and teachers, And so you have no internal locus whatsoever, like there's nothing in you that knows how, as a young woman, I didn't know how to make a decision on my own. I didn't know how to set a boundary. I didn't know how to think for myself, because I'd always been told what and how to think, and I wasn't given the opportunity to question or push back to to to a large degree, really

Alex Ferrari 19:02
Well, that's the thing that's interesting, because a lot of these beautiful souls who are on the wall here in the Eastern traditions, many of them said, don't take what we say to heart. Like, like, question it. Yeah, question all of it.

Anjie Hipple 19:17
Well, there's so much twisting that goes on with scriptures and different things like, well, let's talk about the Scripture idea for a moment. So I was raised in the funnelist tradition. You're taught that the scripture is completely infallible and without error, and that you can take it at face value. And they did give some exceptions to that. For instance, you know, in the Old Testament says that homosexuals should be stoned if they're caught, or adulterers should be stoned

Alex Ferrari 19:45
Slaves were okay too in the Old Testament, by the way. I mean solid, we're good,

Anjie Hipple 19:49
Yeah, and even yeah and and so. But the scripture itself actually says that the infinite wisdom of God could never be contained in a book. Book. It says that very plainly in the New Testament and also in the Bhagavad Gita, which is to me, like this beautiful sacred text that I love to read. It's so it's wonderful, beautiful to me. Now, of course, you know, if I had read it back then, that would have been blasphemy, yeah, really big problem. But even it says to the one who knows, the one who has an experience, the Scripture is means nothing. It's meaningless. It has no function, right? So the and that's the whole thing about I look at scripture now, and I'm like, You know what scripture really is? It's about people that were just people doing peoplely things, and they had a real, true encounter with the divine, and it was so special to them that they wanted to record it and share it. But it was never meant to be like this rule book for us to live our life by. And we're all you know, Judas taught me, we should all be writing our own scripture, right? We're all people doing peoplely things, that we have this potential to have these encounters with divinity, with our own angels and guides and our own Higher Self, and that those experiences, we can share those or we can hold them sacred in our own inner experience. And we're writing our own scripture, and we really don't need scripture. Scripture. It's kind of like, you know, if you know how to fix a car, you're a mechanic. I'm not going to buy you a book about how to fix a car, right, because you already know how to do it, right?

Alex Ferrari 21:35
Why would you like? Why would you do that? It makes it makes no sense. The concept of of of what we went through. And again, you went through a much, much more difficult time than I did. As I was telling you, and I've said on the show before, my confirmation name was Bartholomew Humperdinck, I can't believe you did that. I did that on purpose so the priest would have to say it out loud on front of everybody. And it's the best. It was the best. One of the major issues I have with any fundamental religion is the lack of questioning allowed, right? Like, you can't question anything, even when it's so, like, this is black and white. Why can't you admit that there's a problem here, or there's a hole here, in a logic or in a story, or in this or that, you know? And in a recent episode I did with Paul Wallace, we talked about Yahweh, the God, Yahweh and Jesus, and those teachings do not mix whatsoever. Jesus was love and turned the other cheek and all this stuff, and Yahweh is like fire and brimstone and fear based and all this kind of stuff. And why can't we question like, Hey, I got thrown out of Sunday school because I said, Hey, what happened to Jesus between the ages of 12 and 30? I mean, that's 18 years. That's a pretty large hole.

Anjie Hipple 23:02
And the Buddhists actually have documents that tell us exactly what happened to him. There's a whole other scripture, oh, yes, of the teachings of Jesus that it as is held in these Buddhist monasteries. And they've been published, and you can read them, and they're, they're just amazing, yeah. But this fundamentalism is, you know, this is this really rigid rule bound, highly controlling way of living, and is seeped into politics as well, and on both sides, I would say, in both parties. But fundamentalism is this idea that these are the rules, this is the way it should be, and you shouldn't question these things. Toe the line or, or we're not going to be in relationship with you anymore. And you know, it's in all the all major religions have these fundamentalist aspects. In the Muslim tradition, Buddhist, Buddhist tradition, that's right, but all of these major religions also have free and spirit based aspects, the Gnostic Christians, the Zen Buddhist, the Sufis in the Islamic tradition. So but for me, you know, there was a time where, and I'm sure that from the perspective of my soul, my soul, I have to on when I'm on the other side, I have to have a little talk with my higher self about, I think they overshot this one a little bit. The goal bar was a little bit high, but I'm sure I had this goal, you know, to to enter into a fundamentalist submerge myself in religious religiosity, and see if I could come out of it, come through it, and go all the way to self realization, which was, which is my desire now that that's my you know what? I know that I'm here for. So it was a big challenge, yeah, but you know one of the scriptures. That was twisted a lot, and I've seen it really used abusively with people, is this one in the Old Testament that says The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked. Who can know it? So I was taught from a very young age that that we are born sinners. Were born messed up, screwed up. Yes, of course, we have a propensity to evil. If we're left to our own devices, we will do the wrong thing, and that there's nothing good in us outside of Jesus, and this was so ingrained. And so the guilt, guilt is such a head trip, right? That's probably like, the biggest, you know, long term thing that I've had to work on letting go of. But guilt is a total waste of energy, right? Because it doesn't produce anything good at all, like, if you do something and you don't like the results, Judah says, Just do something different, but don't punish yourself and feel guilty about it. And I've come to understand that hell is really like a psychic state of guilt and shame.

Alex Ferrari 26:02
Well, I mean, we can talk about hell for a second. I mean, it's, it's a complete misinterpretation of what Jesus was saying. It doesn't exist. It's, it was a dump, literally, a lake of fire that they used to throw garbage into. And he was like, if you guys don't get yourselves in order, you're going to go over there. And they took that and ran with it.

Anjie Hipple 26:20
Yeah. I mean, Jesus never used the word hell. He talked about the life of Gehenna, which was, yes, you said it was the local trash dump. And he said, Hey, if you want to live like that, you can, right? But it's going to be kind of smelly, you know,

Alex Ferrari 26:33
It's going to be kind of smelly. It's not going to work out. But then Dante showed up, wrote this fantastic book, and they they took that story and basically ran with it. One thing I heard the other day, which I thought was fascinating, was the rapture, the whole concept of the rapture, which I think is the ultimate of the the concept of the rapture is the ultimate, fundamental aspect of the Christian religion, because it so separates you from everybody

Anjie Hipple 27:04
Well, and think about too that's really traumatizing for a little kid, right? To think that they might wake up and their teacher and their friends just be gone, it's terrifying, or that they might be the one that's left behind, right? Exactly. You know, I had a friend, an adult friend in church, who there's one particular scripture that says that there is a sin into death that cannot be forgiven. It's a sin against the Holy Spirit, but the Scripture doesn't actually define what that is. And so she lived in absolute terror that she would in some way offend the Holy Spirit, and that she would never be able to be redeemed, you know? And then also, there's scripture that says that fornicators will go to hell. So when you get to be a teenager and you have the natural hormones that teeners have,

Alex Ferrari 27:49
Why would God give those to you?

Anjie Hipple 27:52
Right! Just to torment you, that's why

Alex Ferrari 27:55
Look at them like,

Anjie Hipple 27:56
Okay, you want to hear a really, all right, here's the story. Go for it. Okay, you tell me, if I say something that's not appropriate,

Alex Ferrari 28:04
Like I always tell people how the goat got in the backseat, I'll never know. I was young and I needed the money. I was young and needed the money. I'm sorry,

Anjie Hipple 28:13
All right, so you know, when I was in as this, in this segment of Christianity, was in we, had what we call purity culture would mean, which means, once you get to be a teenager or or start being, yeah, you're introduced. You read Dr James Dobson's book preparing for adolescence, and it just is so also sweet, and, you know, so innocent and all that. And you we go to youth group one night and they talk to you about all the evils of being sexual before marriage, and how you shouldn't kiss or go too far. Maybe kiss on the cheek, maybe a kiss on the lips, but you shouldn't go too far and and you have this whole excursion youth group trip, and at the end of it, you sign a contract of what level that you're not going to have sex before marriage. Heavy Petting is out. So when I was about 13, I had begun this kind of in dark indoctrination. And I had a neighbor next door, a very sweet girl who was my age. Her name was Sharon, and she did not go to church. She was lost, obviously okay. And so there was some concern about my parents, about whether or not we should be friends, but because she was willing to go to church with me, my parents decided it was okay. So Sharon and I became best friends. We were next door neighbors, and we were thick as thieves. And over time. She by the way, she had a little brother named Jay, and this little boy was down syndrome. He was two years old. And she and I were both 14 at the time. So as we began to get to know each other a little bit, Sharon began to divulge some secrets and guilt and things with me, and she had a boy. Friend in the neighborhood who was several years older, that had been sneaking in and out of her window at night for some years, and this little boy that I thought was her brother was not her brother. It was her son. So and and my friend had tremendous shame and guilt over the fact that she was having sex, and the fact that she felt that God had punished her by allowing her son to be down syndrome. So here I am. I'm 14. I'm absorbing all this trauma that she's going through being a 14 year old with a child with Down syndrome that she's pretending is not her son, but her brother, brother, and all the secrecy around it and the shame of it, and she's going to church with me, and she trembles. She would literally shake in church and say, I'm scared. I'm scared I'm going to go to hell, and not knowing whether or not I could trust the youth leadership with her, with her secret, with her fear, with her guilt, if they would be there to support her or love her. So this made a tremendous imprint on me about, oh yeah, sex really is horrible, and if this is what can happen, you know, to me. So I had all these deep, imprints and fears. And I ended up so as a young woman in that culture, you get married young, especially if you, if you feel sexual,

Alex Ferrari 31:31
You want to have sex, and you want to have I guess I got to marry somebody like, Yeah, you get married, of course.

Anjie Hipple 31:38
So when I was 16, I had sex for the very first time with, with the boy that I was my first love. Sure, you know, he hung the moon in the sky. We all remember that first love. And, you know, I did the big one, you know. And so I felt enormous guilt, separation from God, anxiety. I didn't talk to anybody about it. Yeah, it Yeah, it was really horrible. And then, and then he dumped me, of course, jeez. And so then I was completely shattered. Not only had I lost, you know, this man, this, I mean, I was so brainwashed, I literally had some kind of fairy tale fantasy that I would be with him for the rest of my life, you know. But, um, yeah, and, and so where do young women go to talk about these things without being shamed? My daughter had a similar situation, my youngest, and when she was having struggles in the in the relationship with this boy, and she went for support to her youth pastor. Instead of getting love, wisdom, guidance, understanding, some some, some kind of direction, she was stripped of her leadership roles. She wasn't allowed to serve anymore. She She was always, you know, the first one there to to help out in the nursery or teach the kids little kids class, she had everything taken away from her and no support whatsoever for the relationship dynamics. So this was what I went through at 16, and I felt like I was trash. Then I thought, well, what man would ever want me now? I've lost my virginity. I'm worthless because I was taught this, of course. And so I got married young. I met my husband when I was 17. I married him when I was 18, and we were married for 27 years. But this is what you do. You get married so that you're not in sin sexually.

Alex Ferrari 33:38
Of course. Yeah, it's whereas, when I was talking about the Rapture before, what I heard, and I've actually done research about this, that with the rapture is not in the original Bible, if I'm if I'm correct, and please you, you're a much better scholar of the Bible than I am. But to my understanding, there was a publisher somewhere in Ohio who's like, I need to sell some more Bibles. And they wrote in the rapture, and I haven't heard that, but that could be absolutely so, because it wasn't in the original King James, then the Southern Baptist, and all the, all the they were like, Oh, this is good. We can use this. And they used it as a tool to a fear, a fear of fear to do this. I was like, you start thinking about these things, you're just like,

Anjie Hipple 34:21
Well, there were also a lot of references to reincarnation that were edited out. Of course, in the early days of the church, there is one still in there. There's one in there that talks about that Jesus, perhaps the Pharisees are saying, Well, maybe he was Elijah reincarnated, or Isaiah come back from the dead. So, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 34:42
It's a small little bit that got that left. It got left in, oh, there's a ton of stuff. And we, and if I've spoken about what the Bible, what they've taken out of the Bible, ad nauseum, on the show, it's just, it's insane. But what I what I find so fascinating Anjie, is that I. We're all living our lives based on stories that we believe, stories that we tell ourselves about ourselves, stories that we have been told about us by people like communities, religions, spouses, brothers, sisters, families, countries, whatever. And we just it's the stories that we believe. No one really knows. There was no film camera, right, watching Jesus. You know, there is some of some of these yogis and some other recent, more recent masters who walked the earth that they would literally, there's film of them talking and doing the things. You could feel them, and you could hear their teachings. And you can't dispute it, because it's right from the horse's mouth. But Jesus Buddha, all these guys that were back in the day,

Anjie Hipple 35:49
Well, one thing that's really important to understand is, you know, when Jesus walked the earth, the level of consciousness on the earth at that time was around 60, around 90, I'm sorry, around 90. And so he was really talking to a whole culture of people that were just in fight or flight survival mode, very simple teachings. I mean, perhaps he would say something totally different today. But Jesus, one thing he never said is, he never said, worship Me, correct, and neither did the Buddha Correct. Jesus said, The kingdom is inside of you. He said, he said, I am the light of the world, but he also said, You are the light of the world. So he's very clear about that. He wasn't he's really our big brother. He's not wanting to be worshiped. He was just a man like you, a person like me, who became fully self realized in spite of his religious tradition, not because of his religion, religious tradition. And you know, the Buddha was the same. When the Buddha was dying, he said his last words were, be the light of your own soul. So what are you saying? He didn't say, make a golden statue and leave me flowers and food and say your prayers to me. He didn't say that. He said, You be the light of your own soul. Be You be the Buddha. And Jesus is saying, You be the Christ, one of my favorite practices that I like to give people in a work that we do together is the challenge to read the Bhagavad Gita. It's a gorgeous story. It's gorgeous. I love Stephen Mitchell's version, and the assignment I give him is read it through once, just to take in the story. Read it through twice the second time, and I want you to read it this time, seeing yourself as the the aspirant, the disciple of Krishna Arjuna was the disciple that was being taught by Krishna. Krishna being God, the Hindu god. And and then read it through a third time, and and this and this last time, when you read it, see yourself as Krishna. And when you do that, it is a major transformation. But you know, both, all three of these characters were, were showing us that we are God, that God is in us. And that was what was so traumatizing and so damaging about the culture that I was in is I was taught that at my core, I'm flawed. There's something wrong with me, and I need someone outside of me to fix me and and I'm never going to be okay without this external religious community, spiritual leader, spiritual authority outside of myself. I'm not okay. And so it damages the your very essence and your ability to trust yourself, to follow your intuition, to follow even just your instincts. And so that's, that's what was so tragic about it, really. And so even even like with me, sometimes when, when people are coming out of really strong religious backgrounds, like myself, and they come to work like like mine or like yours, and they see spiritual leaders, gurus, channelers, whoever, and they can tend to overlay their background experience onto this new spirituality. And then again, they want Judah to be like a god to them and tell them what to do, or how to do it, or why to do it, correct. And that's you know, not what Judah is here to do. Judah is here to just love you and create a safe a safe environment and an environment of wisdom for you to discover your own answers and and to find your own strength and to take back your power from all of that.

Alex Ferrari 39:56
Blasphemy. Jessabel.

Anjie Hipple 40:01
I'm definitely going down.

Alex Ferrari 40:05
It's fascinating how people like to give their power away, because it's so much easier to blame something outside of you. If something goes wrong, then you taking responsibility for your own life. I've done it. You've done it.

Anjie Hipple 40:18
I mean, if Judah, if you ask, if you come to Judah for advice, or any other of these beautiful spiritual teachers that you have here, you come to for to them for advice, and they tell you something and and it seems, because it comes through this magical package of channeling, it seems like it just has inspires this kind of awe, right? But if you follow that and it doesn't work out for you, then you will blame Judah, and you will have learned nothing about how to stand on your own two feet and be an empowered, enlightened person, right? But if you come up with your own answers, if what Judah says to you just confirms what you already know in your inner being, and gives you some courage to make your own decision. If, if you take an action of your own free will and your own accord, then if it goes well, you've learned something from it, and you can, you can feel the joy of that and the victory of it. If, if it goes badly, then you have the opportunity to learn from that without passing them back.

Alex Ferrari 41:27
It's fascinating to me that within Catholicism, which then turned then there was these offsprings from Catholicism, Christianity, Baptist, Lutheran, of course, in miracles, all of these different sects couldn't agree. And this happens in all the religions, Buddhists. There's multiple different forms of Buddhism, there's multiple forms of Taoism, there's multiple forms of being Islam, and there's different sects that they couldn't even agree within themselves, right? You know? And they're like, well, we'd like all this stuff, but we're gonna take, you know, we can't, but we can't believe in angels. That's, that's too far. That's not, we're not gonna do angels now. We don't believe in saints. Saints. Obviously can't have saints, so then we have to go, it's just,

Anjie Hipple 42:17
It just creates more and more separation.

Alex Ferrari 42:19
That's what it's about. Yeah, that's the thing. I find that with a lot of the religions and don't and we're not bashing religion as a general statement, religion does do a lot of good in the world, in places, and I don't think it's as much the religion as it is the people in those certain people just do some beautiful things in this world. Help a lot of people and so on, even if they might be in the traumatic thing.

Anjie Hipple 42:45
And I do think there are a lot of people in religion who are really trying to examine what goes on in the context and make changes to what's not working. And I deeply appreciate them, and I have, for every difficult and painful experience I have in my religion, I have another very beautiful one, yes, to share absolutely Unfortunately, though, what happens if there is a lot of beauty and because, because religious people are the good guys, they are the people that that want to be loving, that Want to be forgiving that one to be spiritual, because they're the good guys. It's harder for us to address what's what's wrong, what's wrong, what's painful, what's traumatic within it, because we, we don't want to offend the good guys, right? Even for me, you know, it's hard for me sometimes to look at and realize some of the ways that I traumatized and abused my own kids with this ideology as a young Christian mom, you know,

Alex Ferrari 43:48
Is it you were, you were saying that you were the mom that wouldn't. They wouldn't allow their kids to go to Halloween.

Anjie Hipple 43:52
I did not. I did not because it's the Devil's Night. Obviously, yeah, I my kids weren't allowed to read Harry Potter. I mean, when my son was grown up, poor kid. I mean, he begged me so many times he used to sneak home the Harry Potter book from the library at school, and if I found it, you know, I would gently but lovingly tell him he had to take it back. So when he got to be grown, I bought him a Harry Potter book. I said, I'm so sorry. I mean, I feel like I apologize to my kids a lot. You know, they're like, Yeah, mom, okay, whatever I told them I would pay for their therapy, they've totally forgiven me. They're so great.

Alex Ferrari 44:28
That's the thing. Like, something as insane as like, you can't read a story because it's a make believe story about witches and warlocks and this magical kind of fun story you can't even read that, what's so threatening about any like, if, if you're really comfortable with who you are, like, you know, perfect example. You know, there's people who leave comments on your show on my thing, it's just the way it is. The world is. But my, my thing is that. There's 1000 10s of millions of other people and shows talking about things that I don't agree with, right that I wholeheartedly feel against what they're saying, and yet I don't feel the need to defend my point of view or my belief system, to anyone else you do you I look, I'm vegetarian. I take people to barbecue here. Yeah, I don't, I don't eat meat, but I'm not going to deny it for you if you want to eat it, right? There's no judge. There's no judgment. So I, that's the thing I find so fascinating. I'm like, why can't you just live and let live?

Anjie Hipple 45:41
Yeah, it's again, that double bind, right? Be a forgiving person, but yet be on the lookout for all the evil people that are you know can trip you up.

Alex Ferrari 45:52
Well, and that's the thing I always said in First second grade when they said, you know, well, we're Christian. You're lucky. You You were born into a good Catholic family, your soul will be saved. You gotta do these things, the baptism, the confirmation, the communion. You gotta do all this stuff. You gotta read the Bible. You gotta do all this kind of thing. And you're good, you're lucky. You're one of the lucky ones. And then I would sit there as a just a logical kid asking, What about the billions of people who aren't on the planet? What's going to happen to them? Oops, sorry, bad luck.

Anjie Hipple 46:30
That's what I was told,

Alex Ferrari 46:31
Of course. Like, you know, it's

Anjie Hipple 46:33
Think about the guilt you even that's like, what do we call it, bystander guilt

Alex Ferrari 46:38
Or survivor guilt?

Anjie Hipple 46:40
Yeah. I mean, imagine like that. I live up until my 40s with this survival guilt. Okay, for some reason I'm getting through the pearly gates, but everybody else is not. It's terrible.

Alex Ferrari 46:54
You know, being a filmmaker and being a storyteller, I've, I've dissected and analyzed story to the umph degree and spoken to some of the greatest storytellers and story gurus on the planet. And all of us need stories to survive. Yeah? On the just to survive. People don't understand how important stories are to their into their lives. So we need stories to be able to just make sense of this. This is insane. Yeah. This whole thing that we're going through life is insane. We're just trying to figure it out. So you grab onto a story to build your foundation under, yes. And if someone comes along and says, there might be a crack, yeah, right there, just be careful. I'm just saying Yeah. I'm over here. My foundation is different than your foundation. There might be a crack in yours. Maybe you should ask a contractor to come over and settle that in level that out for it before it gets too bad.

Anjie Hipple 47:50
You know, when I hit my mid 40s, you know, everything started cracking. I went to acupuncture, which was a big no no. The devils work? Yeah, you can get devils doing that. But the thing was, is, I had been sick for like, nine months. I was desperately I was not getting better. I had a I was teaching school at the time. I'd been dragging myself to school every day to teach little first graders desperately sick. And this mother said, You've got to go see this guy. He will take care of it. And I was like, oh, acupuncture. But it was last resort. I went. But it started doing something to me, because I, as I was

Alex Ferrari 48:27
THe devil, the devils there was, it was the devil that got into you, obviously,

Anjie Hipple 48:33
You know, I would lay on that table and get in such a state of bliss, like so blissed out. And I thought, What is this? Is this person doing witchcraft on me? Wizardry? But I felt amazing, and I started questioning, sifting through I would actually go home and get out my Bible and try to figure out what this guy had done to me and see if there was some way I could justify it so I could keep going.

Alex Ferrari 48:56
You want? You wanted to do you wanted to reinforce the programming you already had. Like, I like this, but I'm not supposed to, so let me go find an excuse to make that okay. Did Jesus ever stick a needle in him like himself and say that was good? Like, nope. Oh,

Anjie Hipple 49:12
And my husband was pitching a fit because I was going, and even though I contributed my whole paycheck to the household budget, he was not gonna, you know, let me spend money for this acupuncture. So I got an extra job teaching piano lessons before and after school so I could pay for this acupuncture. Because I was getting free. I was getting, well, I was getting free, and I started question sneaking around and listening to NPR and doing these really naughty things. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Devil's network, yeah, yeah, you know. But I did. I broke bad, and when I when I left the church, we got

Alex Ferrari 49:57
We got to cook. That's it's crazy,

Anjie Hipple 50:01
Yeah, oh yeah, I did and, and when I left, I left the church, I left my husband at 27 years he said, You've changed. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I have. I mean, I was, I was, and my son was the one that always say, mom's Breaking Bad. And then later, I thought I'd better watch that series to see what he's talking about. And I watched about and I watched about two minutes of it was like, no, no description, girl self,

Alex Ferrari 50:26
Well, that first episode would have knocked you out.

Anjie Hipple 50:29
Like two minutes. I was like, no thanks. But yeah, I did. I just, I snuck out like a thief in the night and just started over. But you know, I want to say that I want to be so generous and loving and gentle with people going through this experience, because my entire worldview crumbled, crumbled,

Alex Ferrari 50:48
Of course, crumbled, like everything you knew,

Anjie Hipple 50:52
Everything I thought I was, everything I thought I believed, about life, about God, about relationships, about romance, about raising children, about politics. I mean, all of it just shattered underneath me. And it was a lot.

Alex Ferrari 51:07
It sounds, it sounded like, oh, as you're saying that, it sounds like you almost had a psychedelic experience, which is what happens to people when they take psychedelics, or they take Ayahuasca or something like that. It deconstructs everything at once. It's a lot, yeah, it's a lot to come in. That's why it's you gotta be careful.

Anjie Hipple 51:24
And, you know, some, some people, I think, begin channeling Well, well, you know, from near death experiences, right? You have these, these traumatic near death experiences. And as a consequence, there's all this opening up of the spiritual realm and the higher centers. And I do think that that had something to do with why Judah came to me a few years after that, so late in life. I just, I do think that there was a trauma aspect to the opening up.

Alex Ferrari 51:50
Well, I mean, when you, when you do go through this, any type of awakening is going to be a lot of times painful. If you're holding on Yes to the old programming, if you become open and you're searching for it, it could be very blissful, but someone like you, who your entire world was wrapped around this, this, these ideology, it destroyed you, like for me, I had already left basically the Catholic Church when I was a teenager, and never looked back and started reading Bhagavata Autobiography of a Yogi and Edgar Cayce and all that stuff. Thanks to my spiritual guide, Connie, who put me on to all this kind of stuff, she was my guide and said, read this book. Read this book. I'm like, what is what is this? I wrote a book called The Age of Aquarius, which is a book about religion and how insane, like how you how people are programmed. And there was a chapter I'll never forget. It was a beautiful chapter about, there was this, she's like, just for an instant, there's a guy who's walking around and doing some teachings, and he's saying something against what the popular beliefs are at the time. So they put him in prison, and then they put him in prison. Then his followers start to kind of like, build outside, like, you know, trying to get him out. And every while he's in, he writes down the 10 truths. Let's call it the 10 truth, the 15 truths of the universe, or something. He finally gets out and the and I might be wrong, but this is the general gist of it. He gets out, and his followers are like, Oh my God, these are the truths. These are the truths. Oh my god. He's like, Hey, this is just a guy. Guys, relax, relax, yada yada yada. He dies. His followers take the 15 truths and then start to change them. Start to add things to them like, well, the 15th truth is this, but we really need to add this. And really, you know, and this one, really, he really didn't mean this one. So let's just take seven out and and all of a sudden, 100 years later, it has nothing to do with what the original 15 truths were. Yeah, yeah, that's religion.

Anjie Hipple 53:53
Well, just like, you know John in the book of Revelation, right? It says, you know, John was a prisoner. He'd been exiled to this island. He's there by himself. He's he's just praying and worshiping and like he has this unbelievable metaphysical experience where he's seeing all these angels and these winged creatures and all these things you know, going on. Well, somehow we've taken this metaphysical experience that one man had that was very profound for him, and important key for his life. And we've written the end of civilization as we know it from that, you know, like, how did we, how did we come up with that? Yeah, it's, well, I have to throw in, you know, the Next Level Soul TV, Neale Donald Walsh series, yes, because I'll tell you when I'm that, that wild acupuncturist that was setting me free. Well, years later, he became my new husband, my spiritual partner.

Alex Ferrari 53:57
It was all those ball part of the devil's job. It was all part of the devil's job to do that to you.

Anjie Hipple 54:54
And when we dated, he was so smart. He he knew I was like a total you know, I. Brainwashed, and he was trying to help deconstruct me, and no kidding, like I owe my life to him, because he he was just so brilliant and gentle and so truth telling and helped to deconstruct me over these years. But anyway, when we were dating, he would play Neale Donald Walsh's Conversations with God, and that helped me to unpack so many things and sift and sort through it. And I encourage people to like, be really gentle with yourself and be curious, allow yourself to try and listen to different things. I mean, when I started reading like the Bhagavad Gita and Lao Tzu and some of these, I was like, Oh, but wait, there are common threads here between all of these things. And I see these are the things I want to keep. These are things I want to throw out.

Alex Ferrari 55:46
Oh, there's no, no question. And doing this show, I constantly am seeing the common threads across all different philosophies, thoughts, spiritual leaders. It just starts, you starts picking the common threads. I'm like, Oh, we're all just going to the same place, but just different paths. Because I might not like Alex, or I might not like Angie, but I like somebody else. And I might go down this road. I might read this book, Autobiography of a Yogi, is not for everybody. Maybe I'll read the Bhagavata and go down that way. Maybe I'll read the Tao Te Ching and go down that route.

Anjie Hipple 56:19
Whatever container you're in. It doesn't matter. Find the container doesn't matter. What matters. If there's spirit in it, there's life in it, there's freedom in it, that you can move in it. You know that it's not restrictive and binding. And you find a little more of yourself in it, right? And and just keep enjoying that container until it feels restrictive, and then find the next one, right? Or don't have one at all,

Alex Ferrari 56:40
Or don't have one at all, and just take as a friend of mine, Julie says she's a cafeteria Catholic. So she goes in and just picks out what she likes. And because there's beautiful teachings in Catholicism and Jesus, obviously, but you have to pick through all the other stuff to get to it,

Anjie Hipple 56:58
Or, better yet, just like talk to Jesus all by yourself. Stop it now that I'm channeling this is the coolest thing ever. Is that, you know, I can actually tap into the field of consciousness. That is the man Jesus.

Alex Ferrari 57:13
Can you bring him in? Okay, we're gonna bring him in. We'll ask. We'll see. I think he has a couple things to say about this subject. All right. I mean, to continue the whole we are the devil mentality, let's just channel Jesus.

Anjie Hipple 57:28
Go all the way.

Alex Ferrari 57:35
Well, that was the other thing I was, I was like, so I need a middleman to talk to God like. I always, I always like, you know, so if I kill somebody today, go to confession, I'm solid, like, it just didn't it just doesn't make any Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Finally, before we get into the channeling for someone who's watching this right now, going through or about to begin to go through what you went through, what advice do you have for them?

Anjie Hipple 58:01
Trust yourself, trust your gut instinct, trust what you feel in your body. You know, for instance, when my kids right towards the end, when I was ready to leave, my kids were still young, they began to have headaches and stomach aches every Sunday on the way to church and after church, trust your body if you feel like you want to run, it's probably for a reason. Yeah, there's something there that you instinctively know is not safe anymore and and just follow your heart. Know that what you what you need for the next part of the journey will will appear. Be gentle with yourself, be curious, but love yourself unconditionally. Forgive yourself. There's nothing that you can do. I've already done it all right in the process of coming out of all of that and being where I am now, I can say, from my own personal experience, there's nothing that you can do that will disqualify you from your relationship with with God, of whatever God is. And I would also say, let God be a question mark. Like, don't be afraid to let go of all the ways that you've defined God. Just let it be a big old question mark for a while, and it's okay too, even if you kind of float into atheism for a while. I mean, when I talk to atheists, one of the things that I've learned, and i By the way, I absolutely welcome atheist Of course, Judah channel and what we're doing, what I have found is I can understand why you choose atheists when the God that is presented to you does not align with your inner being. I mean, yeah, I guess I'm kind of an atheist too. If God is what I've been told,

Alex Ferrari 59:47
Yeah, if God is Yahweh from the Old Testament, I yeah, I get it.

Anjie Hipple 59:51
Yeah, I'm signing up for the

Alex Ferrari 59:53
I'm out. I'm out. Well, I appreciate that, and I appreciate you sharing your journey about. About this, because I think it is something that is so, so important for people out there. Because I, like I said at the beginning, so many people are going through this,

Anjie Hipple 1:00:09
Yeah, and find the stories of people like myself. They're out there. There are stories out there and and they will help you and give you courage to do the things you need to do for yourself and trust yourself.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:19
You're not alone, okay? Yeah, you're not alone anymore. It's not like. We have shows like this. We have the internet. We have connection. You're not like if you're not in that small town, and that's all you have. There's ways to educate yourself, to find support, to connect with others who are going through this. It's, it's, you know, I always joke. I'm a recovering Catholic, and you have no idea how many people in the comments like, I'm a recovering Catholic, to me too, I'm a recovering Catholic. Yeah, I got kicked out of Sunday school. Like, it means so much. I'm like that always. This is joy to see those kind of comments, but, but it's something that's needed, so hopefully that conference, this conversation, helped. But with that said, Now let's put on the show. Let's, let's, let's get on, let's get on with the channeling today. So can you talk a little bit about Judah, for people who don't know who, who Judah is, what, what they are, the energy, and then also how you channel, which is different for everybody.

Anjie Hipple 1:01:16
Well, Judah came around some years ago when I was in my kind of deconstruction process and wow, they just were a grace and a surprise like I had never thought I would be a channeler. It wasn't something I wanted to do. I did really love there were channelers that were really influential in in my spiritual process that I deeply appreciated, but I never thought it would be something I would do? And they literally just came in in a moment in time when my husband and I were meditating. And you can hear more of the story. Check out the first interview that I did with Alex. It's definitely a story to hear. But it was direct voice channeling immediately from the word go. It was this big, huge, booming, beautiful voice full of energy. Judah is a collective of 350,000 highly evolved souls. They can work in all dimensions of time and space. They're angelic in their nature. They're from the angelic realm. But they really love to work primarily in the fifth dimension with humans that are, like me that are, and like all of you guys that are in the spiritual process and really wanting to be fully self actualized and enlightened beings. And so they they love to just bring these energies in and messages to remove obstacles, to clear up old constructs and conditioning and whatever is not serving you, and just to elevate your level of consciousness. So they run about 5000 on the on the Hawkins map their level of consciousness, and you feel it like when they come sometimes people you feel heat run through your body. You might find yourself weeping. Or there can be all kinds of, you know, just evidences that they're present, and they're just my very good friends. They're, they're my higher self, my or over soul family. I'm one of those souls that they represent, one of the little ones. I'm the little angel, littlest Angel girl. And because of that, they're, they feel like home. You know, they're my home that I feel absolutely comfortable love, supported by them. And everybody has their own Judah. Everybody has a higher self, an oversold family. That's That's powerful, wise, enlightened, Full of Wisdom, you know, and everybody has the capacity to to plug into that beautiful and how do you channel again? I just very quickly, kind of relax, and they just come through and you remember, or you don't remember, it feels like a really lovely dream. I have, like a kind of a general sense of what they talk about, but I usually don't remember details unless I go back and listen

Alex Ferrari 1:03:59
And then as and if I remember correctly, from our last time when you're in the channel, if we're going to bring so we're going to bring in Judah first, we'll have a conversation with Judah. I'm sure Judah has a lot to say. I do love Judah, but we're going to last time we brought in Archangel Michael Babaji and Yogananda. Remind me how that process will be. Will I be asking Judah? Hey, Judah, Buddha around, yes, is that the way we do it? And then they just like, okay, then the next one's coming in.

Anjie Hipple 1:04:30
Takes a little time, and that's something we could talk about another day, about how that actually happens. Well, I didn't really quickly, just please mention how that happened, that we brought in Babaji and Yogananda, because the gift that I was given through this process is the gift of under understanding and being able to work in the quantum field. And so, because you Alex, have such devotion and love for Babaji and Yogananda and. So your field, your personal field of consciousness, is connected to their fields of consciousness because they are your your your spiritual teachers. And so you live in your life connected to their fields of consciousness because your devotion to to what they represent and who they are. And so the reason that I was able to bring them through is because I can tap, I'm here with you. I can tap into your field of consciousness, which is connected to Yogananda and Babaji and so on.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:28
Oh, that's beautiful. I didn't know that. That's a nice explanation. So they're kind of like links in a chain. So like, if somebody else who's never heard of Babaji asks you to do it in a channeling session, it might not happen, because they might not. Hey, I heard about this guy, Babaji. Can you bring him in? Right? That might not work?

Anjie Hipple 1:05:44
Well, yeah, so I gave you two quick examples. This is a little teaching moment for people that are interested. So for instance, I had spent some time reading Lao Tzu and just really digging into his teachings for the first time. And then he came through, and I was able to channel him, so I was connecting him with his field of consciousness through reading the book. Okay, yeah, so this, this can happen, and we're all doing it all the time, right? If you've ever been and, let's say, in the airplane, all of a sudden, you find yourself feeling really aggravated and angry. It's not you, it's the guy next to you that about something, and you're entangled. You're linked, linking in with his field of consciousness, his the energy he's presenting. So channeling is really the same sort of thing. Also, we have a friend who is a very devoted initiate of the current Babaji. And so whenever he comes over to hang out with us, I can immediately channel Babaji, his Babaji, and it's because he's there and I connect in with his field of consciousness, and he's very connected in with his sweet Babaji that he loves so much.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:50
Got it all right. So let's, let's bring Judah in. We're going to talk. We have a few questions about the world and what we're doing, and I'm sure he's going to have some questions, some things to say,

Anjie Hipple 1:07:02
Hello, dear and precious ones all around the world. We are Judah of the angelic nation, and we are pleased to be here with you today. We are applauding. We are plotting you, being here, being tuned in, being being open, being receptive. We are we are applauding your openness and allowing for new and challenging ideas. We love that even when you feel provoked by something that is being said, you quickly drop resistance and allow yourself to be elevated in your perspective. And it is our delight to be here and serve you today. Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:36
Thank you so much for being here again. Judah, what do you have anything to add to the conversation that Anjie and I just had in regards to this religion, religious drama?

Anjie Hipple 1:07:50
Well, we would say this for you, dear ones, yes, that sometimes for you, religion is like a tight fitting shoe. You know, when you are five years old, there is a certain pair of shoes that fit you just right, but when you are 10 or 12, if you're still trying to wear that same pair of shoes, they're much too tight for you and uncomfortable. And wouldn't it be very silly, silly, silly, silly for you to try to squeeze your foot into that shoe and lace that tie, and you certainly wouldn't be able to move forward, you wouldn't be able to run, you wouldn't have protection for your walk, so to speak, that you so need. And so what we would say to you is, if you maybe you've had many wonderful experiences in religion. Maybe religion has been a blessing in your life in many, many ways. Maybe you've never had adverse religious experiences, such as the one that this vessel described, but perhaps you're just outgrowing it. So please stop trying to force your your foot, which is much too big for the those little tiny shoes which are our religion. Because you see, we have big cosmic shoes for you to wear. Big, big, big, big, big cosmic shoes. Now we want you to take your feet out of those little, tiny, tight, religious shoes and slip them into these really big shoes, just like a little child that sees their daddy's boots, and they want to be like Daddy, and so they put on the big boots, and they tromp around the room and they imagine what it feels like to be dad, to be so big and Wear these big shoes? Well, there are big cosmic shoes for you, dear ones, big cosmic shoes or little girl. We don't want to exclude those little girls that like to try on their mothers high heels. Yes, there are big cosmic shoes for you now. There are interstellar beings for you to meet. There are angels for you to meet there. There's a much bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, version of the God than the one that you've been taught. Much bigger, much bigger, without limitations, without restrictions, restraints and rules and so on. And so you must remove your feet from those little shoes if you want to begin to grow into the big ones that we have for you. For you are so much more than you know. You're more. In your name, you're more than your upbringing, your conditioning, you're more than your culture, you're more than your language, you're more than your religion, you were more you're more than your educational background or your lack thereof. You're more than the amount of money in your bank account. You're more than the kind of home that you have. You're more than your partner, your partner, even, we want to say to some of you here today, you've been listening. You may not relate to the discussion about religion, but you can relate to the issue of giving up your power to a partner, a romantic partner, and so we're here to say it's time to take back your power. Take back your power. Take back your power. You're bigger than you know. You're more than you know. You have new big shoes to fill.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:46
Thank you for that so much. With the world feeling so chaotic right now in this great awakening that we're going through, it seems like the world it seems to be cracking. Old systems seem to be coming crashing down around us, financial, media, all of all of the different institutions are having troubles and are being shaken to the core, and a lot of people are afraid. Judah, what advice do you have for people who are terrified of what's happening?

Anjie Hipple 1:11:19
Well, what we want you to know is that no one and nothing can touch the core and the essence of who you are, which is divine, which is immutable, which is unperturbable, which is immovable, which will always remain, always remain. So let anything that wants to crumble, let it, let it, let it. Because what will remain is what is true, what is good, what is right, what is aligned, what is in a perfected state. So be afraid of nothing. Never be afraid. This is something that Christ said over and over and over. He said, Do not be afraid. Do not be afraid. He said, Don't worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow, we'll have enough troubles of its own. Be in the moment. Be here. Be now. You see, be like these beautiful flowers, of which he spoke as well, a flower comes up from the ground the hardened, hardened and cold ground of the winter and and and will break through the surface and will grow again, will be green, will bloom. And so whatever environment or circumstances going on in the world, you will emerge from it victorious. You will emerge from it beautiful and unscathed and precious and perfumed and beautiful and effortless and flawless. Be afraid of nothing we know that's easier said than done. So call on your angels. Call on us. Say, Judah. Judah, Judah, I'm afraid. I'm afraid. Will you help and we will be there. Be there in a moment, be there in a moment. And we are not limited by time and space. We don't take naps, we don't go on vacation. We are constantly awake and and and we love to serve you, and we want to alleviate your fears. We want you to feel the tangible love of divinity growing from the inside out of you your mighty oak tree. You may not feel like it, but you are, even if you are, feel like you're just an acorn. Inside the acorn is the essence of a mighty oak. This is who you are. The essence of the mighty oak that you are is in you, in you, in you, in you. It's in you. Now it is what you are. You are that.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:30
Judah, where do you see humanity's transformation going in the court in the course of the next five years, 10 years, 20 years, in regards to this great awakening?

Anjie Hipple 1:13:43
Well, it's going to be a beautiful domino effect. There are more. Everyone's touching one, touching one, touching one, everyone touching another and another and another and another. And never underestimate the power of a single word, a single act of kindness. Everything going on in this conversation today and the millions of people who will be transformed through this conversation and have already been transformed through this vessel, we want to tell you the story about the one, the one single woman who started it all. She, she, she was the mother of a child that this vessel was teaching, and she saw that the vessel was sick and had been and stopped her in the hallway at school and said, what's going on? How are you doing? What's wrong with you? And she insisted that she go to see this man of which she spoke earlier, which has brought this awakening, which brought the transformation. And so know this one simple word, one simple act of kindness and care can be and is impacting millions of people. Never underestimate that, as we've said through this vessel many times before, the spirituality and all the even the topics you've been talking about today, they can seem to get complicated, and there are a lot of complexities. Especially when it comes to suffering, the suffering of humanity and the suffering that ego causes. But we want to say is this spirituality is simple love that is all love the one in front of you. If everyone in this moment of time simply took the time right now, right now, to love the one person in front of them, to choose love, abstain from fear, abstain from the desire to run, to withdraw and pushed through the fear to love, the whole world would be instantly, permanently, forever transformed.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:38
How can individuals maintain inner peace when the external feels so unstable.

Anjie Hipple 1:15:49
Simply be as unattached as of an observer as you can be, let things play out in front of you. Let them play out it is. Let it be as if you are watching a movie from some story in another language that you have never heard and you can't even make sense of the story and just let it play out. You see, the ego always wants to compel you to do something, to say something, or do something about what is going on on the world stage. But simply allow it to be what it is, and trust that there is a higher purpose at work. And if what you are seeing on the world stage is upsetting for you, if you're not ready yet to watch it with that level of peace and serenity, we encourage you to withdraw your time, energy and attention from those things we we use the acronym T, T, E, A, T, withdraw your time, energy and attention from anything that is, is, is is painful or challenging or fear inducing for you. Now, we're not saying to be silly or Pollyanna or bury your head in the sand, so to speak, but you can catch the news simply by reading a headline and being done with it. Yes, you can read a headline and know exactly what's going on without reading the text or watching the meal for we know this, that the ego is all rooted in conflict drama, the need for tension, the need to be special. These are the constructs of the ego, and the ego is playing out everywhere on the world stage, in front of you and all around you and on your social media feeds. And so, because it seems to be impersonal, because it's coming through a machine or device, you can tend to be benign about it, but make no mistake, every time you are scrolling, looking, watching, you are joining yourself to a field as this vessel just spoke to you prior to our coming through, you are constantly being entangled with different fields. And so why not be entangled with a beautiful field like Babaji or the Buddha or Judah? Yes, come and play in our field. Our field is lovely. It is is light, is full of life and joy and effervescence. Play, play, play, play, play in the fields of consciousness that you want to be in, and don't give your tea, your time, energy and attention to the ones that are upsetting for you. And if you will do this consistently, do it enough, you will find that nothing moves you anymore. You see because peace is a level of consciousness. Peace is a level of consciousness that is a natural and effortless outcome for you when you continue on in your spiritual journey of releasing the ego, meditating, choosing love, turning away from fear. You will, you will, you will, you will eventually come to this enlightened state of peace where you can watch anything happen in front of you and it doesn't bother you. An enlightened master can allow someone to put a gun to their head and threaten to kill them, and the enlightened master will say, if it serves you, please proceed.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:08
That last statement was very beautiful. Can you explain to people who the Ascended Masters are and what their purpose is for humanity?

Anjie Hipple 1:19:19
Yes, these are beautiful ones such as the Christ and the Buddha and the Krishna and Maharaj Ji and so many, many others. Yeah, there are too many to name here. These are ones who walked the earth, and while they were here in their incarnation, they achieved full self realization, fully enlightened state. They achieved this completed level of consciousness, this 1000 level of consciousness, beyond that, there are many beings in the cosmos, beings such ourselves and many countless vast others that are far beyond that level of consciousness. However, once you exceed this 1000 range, you. No longer contain the life force, white light energy in the physical body is not able to be a container for the consciousness anymore, not able to successfully sustain the vibration. So these masters are those who have achieved this fully enlightened level of consciousness. Now we want to address some misnomers that we see in this field of spirituality around this, these 1000 ish, these 600 to 1000 ish level of consciousness. These Ascended Masters are not perfect. In fact, yes, your beloved haraji was called latrine Baba. He was known to have a very filthy mouth. Yes, there are other enlightened beings who were known to drink a little too much and so on. So enlightened beings are not perfect, but they are perfectly themselves. They are they are the perfection. They are the pinnacle of the pinnacle expression of God in and through their personality.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:02
Beautifully said before we go, I wanted to see if you had any final parting messages for everybody watching now and that will be watching in the future, before we move on to whoever is coming in next.

Anjie Hipple 1:21:17
Yes, what we want to say to you is we want to congratulate you for being here and giving your time, energy and attention to this transmission and to this loving container that is called Next Level Soul. And what we want to tell you is that you will find the next level of your soul's experience by being a part of this associated to this vibration and this consciousness, and we want to tell you, don't underestimate the transformation that can come to you through giving your time, energy and attention. Here we want you to know many of you are breaking through into these higher levels of consciousness. You are going to begin to have powerful metaphysical experiences with the divine, but those are not because you are special, and we don't want you to take any pride in those things, but it's because you are positioning yourself to serve, to serve in love, to serve your human family, in love. There are others of you who are feeling much more desperate and and saddened and frustrated by life and and to you when you watch even what, what is going on here as we speak through this vessel, it seems like a dream to you, or something that's completely out of reach, a phenomenon that you would never experience. But we want you to say. We want you to know here, keep coming around, keep coming back, keep coming back, and what you're going to find is all things are possible for you, all things are possible. Each and every one of you has the software in your inner being, in the beautiful creation that you are to be connected to your higher self to have conversations with angels and with swords, you're so much more than you know and association is everything. Environment is everything your parents taught you this birds of a feather flock together. They meant it in the negative, fear based inverse that Be careful who you hang around with, because you might slip into their bad habits. But we are telling you that as you keep coming around this container and this spiritual family and you flock with these beautiful birds, you're going to find your life becoming so synchronistically beautiful and divine and extraordinary this vessel some just some years ago, could not rub two dimes together. She She cried one day because she couldn't afford to go through the drive through and and she was hungry. And now she has such abundance beyond what she can ever imagine or think. And it's only been a few short years, and the finances are just one evidence. The important evidences are beyond the telling, the love, the joy, the peace, the connection, and so all these things are coming for you. Keep coming around.

Alex Ferrari 1:24:16
Thank you so much for being here. Is it possible is Yeshua around to come in?

Anjie Hipple 1:24:25
Yes I'll just tell with your audience how I do this. I just put my hand over my heart, and I just set the intention to connect with the consciousness of Yeshua. And then I feel an energy shift. And anybody can do this. I Okay, go ahead,

Alex Ferrari 1:24:46
Yeshua, yes. What is the most misunderstood part of your teachings that you would like to clarify?

Anjie Hipple 1:24:55
Well, if it had been left to me, I. I would have left the work as it stood, left it in the hearts of those that walked with me, my friends, my comrades, my family. And is a great sadness for me, the distortion of my intention, and I appreciate the opportunity even to channel through this vessel and in order to express myself in truth. And anyone who wants to speak to me can come into this intimate communication with me and receive the truth directly from me, as you spoke earlier, Alex, you said, get it from the horse's mouth. Yeah. And so this is truly a gift of channeling. And we want, I want you to all understand that every enlightened soul exists, not just me, but so many beautiful others in this field of consciousness. And the field of consciousness is the place where we all play, and all you have to do is direct your attention towards the one you wish to communicate with, and they are there. They are there with you, even the ones that are living this vessel recently was working with a young mother whose four year old daughter had never spoken, and she was able to tell the mother what the daughter wanted to say, but could not say with her lips. And as she shared with you, this potential is for all of you, I am here in this field. I'm always here with you. The real me is here. I'm not on a page. I'm not in a cathedral or sanctuary church. And why listen to a preacher or teacher speak of me when you could speak to me directly and hear directly from my mouth. And if you are not verbally channeling, such as this one, you can simply sit down with a sheet of paper or sit down at your computer and say Yeshua, Lord Jesus. What can you say that would be of help to me right now with this or that, and share your heart with me, and I will respond to you.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:32
What message do you have for the world right now that is going through such turmoil in this kind of great awakening of humanity's consciousness. What advice, what wisdom do you have for us?

Anjie Hipple 1:27:48
Well, the first thing that I would say do were I with those suffering is to hold you in my arms and weep with you. I i, and i would not be in a hurry to say anything really, but just to hold you and be with you and let you feel my love for you, and maybe to say that I'm sorry for what you go through for there are so many things that go on in the world that are not my desire. They're not my wish. But just as I was a Creator, who created my own life and my own experience without any interference, you also have been left to your experiences, your personal creations and your collective creations, the shared creations, and they will unfold and they will work their purpose. And I will leave you to that, because I respect you and I honor you. I honor you. You are my brothers. You are my sisters. You are creators. You are sons and daughters of God, just as I am. Yes, I was fully self realized in my experience, but many of you will be as well. And the rate and the numbers of you that will become Christ, and believe me, fully self realized, is increasing dramatically at this time. And it's a joy for me to watch this.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:38
Where do you see humanity going spiritually over the next 5, 10, 20 years?

Anjie Hipple 1:29:47
Well, there's beauty, really beyond imagination, and there will be miracle workers such as I and there are already many those who work miracles of physical healing, of restoration. Of reconciliation, of bringing peace and war torn places, of just serving the most simple of service. Yes, is powerful, and I wish that you all would walk in so much power and love and miracles that you your stories would overshadow mine permanently. Yes, it was never my intention that there would be shrines to my work, but only that you would do the same and more as I said, as I said, Before I left, I said very clearly what it was that I wanted. I I said that I want you to do more and greater than I have done. I am still waiting for that. And so it is a beautiful time, and there is a vast wave of Christ consciousness. And it is extraordinary for me to watch at this time, many Christ, many Buddhas, many Christ, many Buddhas, and their names are John and Mary and Sally and so many, many, many, many, many

Alex Ferrari 1:31:32
And Jesus before we leave, do you have any other final words that you would like to leave the audience with?

Anjie Hipple 1:31:39
Yes, I gave very simple messages to very simple people, and the message is still the same. Love yourself. Love the mystery that is God. Love others. Keep doing those things, rinse and repeat as they say, rinse and repeat. Love yourself, love others, love God. Live your life in full devotion to love, to love God, to love life, to love all that is, accept all that is, allow all that is, know that all that is is exactly as it should be. Keep loving keep choosing this. Keep choosing this over and over and over, even when it is to your own harm, to your own detriment, even if it finds you in the street, homeless, keep loving yourself. Forgive yourself. Hold nothing against the Self. You are perfect in my eyes. I don't find any flaw in you. You're doing the best you can with the light and consciousness you have, and so is everyone else. So there's nothing to be forgiven. There's nothing to be forgiven.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:01
Thank you, if at all possible, could we bring in Baba Ji,

Anjie Hipple 1:33:09
Yeah, go ahead.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:11
Baba Ji

Anjie Hipple 1:33:15
You did it again, my friend. How did you do it? I Oh, what fun we're having now.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:32
Thank you for coming back on the show, Babaji,

Anjie Hipple 1:33:37
Good times you're having here, my friend, good times, good times.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:43
My question to you, Babaji, is, with the the world the way it is right now. What advice do you have for people struggling with the changes that are happening?

Anjie Hipple 1:33:58
Just drop the struggle. Just drop it, drop it, release it, let it go. If you can't let it go, just notice yourself not letting it go. Keep on meditating. We know you want to hear something more complicated than that, but it's about that all your answers can be found in meditation. Son, you know that you know that you know that this is where you experience who yourself is, who you really are, effortless, free, expanded. Keep doing it. Don't give up.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:41
Babaji, you have been, according to Yogananda, have been on the planet for 2500 years, or something along those lines, and you are still incarnated and come and go as you wish. Is that true? Yes. So you. Are currently in the Himalayas somewhere,

Anjie Hipple 1:35:02
Here and there, here and there, here and there. Well, I think you use that the term bilocating. I can be really anywhere I choose to be.

Alex Ferrari 1:35:14
Why have you chosen to stay and help humanity today as a general statement.

Anjie Hipple 1:35:21
Well, because you asked me to show up, that's why I'm here. Took you a while there, didn't it?

Alex Ferrari 1:35:31
Babaji, you need an agent. You should go on the road. You would kill in the college circuit. Maybe. But no, it but seriously, what was the Why did you decide to choose to stay, to help humanity, as opposed to,

Anjie Hipple 1:35:51
What else am I going to do? There's nothing worthwhile to do other than that. I mean, eternity is long and boring my son. Why? Why not? I love, I love, I love humanity. I loved my human experience. I love being on the earth. The earth is a beautiful place, and I love my human family. Why wouldn't I stay? I can, if I can, why wouldn't I and so I have and I will

Alex Ferrari 1:36:22
Do you continue to guide other spiritual masters and teach them the same way you, according to Yogananda, taught Christ, taught Buddha, taught many of the avatars that have come before after you.

Anjie Hipple 1:36:38
I wouldn't demean them in that way. I do like to hang out with them, okay, and interchange with them, and we laugh, just as you and I are doing now, and we when we swap stories and share and so on. But I don't feel that there's anything particularly of me that they need for once one is ascended, they are tapped into all levels of consciousness and all aspects of consciousness, even far beyond my own aspect of consciousness. And so I let them go about doing whatever it is that pleases them as I do as well. I do whatever pleases me. And this is a characteristic of ascended beings. They do whatever they wish. And we will say this to some of you, this can be a spiritual practice for you. Just be real, be authentic. Do what you want to do. Be free. Be free and do what you want to do. And this is a very easy path to ascension.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:39
And Babaji, do you have any final words for this audience?

Anjie Hipple 1:37:44
Yeah, don't wait so long to have me back again.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:49
You're welcome back anytime. Babaji, Anjie, can you bring in Yogananda?

Anjie Hipple 1:37:58
Yeah, go ahead.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:00
Paramahansa, thank you so much for being here. Hello, my son. What do you have to tell the audience today in regards to their own spiritual awakening and how they're dealing with their own spiritual awakening, with letting go of old programming?

Anjie Hipple 1:38:16
Yes, I will affirm what Babaji has said to you, meditate, dear one, and in this meditation, you will find yourself connected to the masters that you formerly read about. No need to read or study words on a page. Only connect directly to the consciousness of these ones, and then you can learn anything that they have to offer. As this vessel is learning through trial and error, every aspect of consciousness is available to you in the field. And simply set the intention of the master which you wish to learn, and lay aside what you've been told. Allow what you've been told to become an unknown, allow it to come into question, relinquish it when you have a thought of who the Christ or another beloved Master is, lay aside the first thought about them, and then the second and the third and the fourth, and go deeper, then into meditation and find their voice from within you and your inner being radiating out from the center of you and who you are, and put more faith in that. Put more faith in that. Put faith in your inner experience of the Divine. And if you've had few or little experiences with the divine, you. I keep coming to meditation, and those experiences will break through for you. For you see a student, it is fine to be a student. It is fine to be a student of a master or even of these teachings that are being presented here. But the goal of being a student is to graduate and become the teacher, to become the doer, to become the Knower. And a teacher understands that he or she has not done their job as long as they are still needed. The teacher has done their job when they're no longer needed because the student embodies what the teacher has taught. So keep coming inward in meditation to experience your own knowing and your own resonance and follow what gives you life and commit fully and completely and devotedly to your personal freedom.

Alex Ferrari 1:41:13
What are the potential challenges humanity might face during this shift in consciousness that we're going through?

Anjie Hipple 1:41:19
It is important to release your need for security and for safety. For each of you has ideas about what will keep you safe, who will keep you safe? What associations, what locations, what ideas will offer you protection, and I will tell you that your ideas, many times are mistaken. So release your need to be safe. Release your need for security. I will tell you there are those in war torn nations who have been kept safe by the divine hand of the master, and there are others in their fortresses, the homes they have built with wealth to protect them from danger, who will not be able to protect themselves in the coming days despite all their efforts. So your relationship with Divine is your safe place, and this safe place is found in your meditation. And I will tell you that you can be in this safe place in the midst of the most difficult noise of war, of suffering and so on, if you so choose. And there are those who are in the quietest and calmest palaces who cannot find peace within.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:12
In the wake of our spiritual awakening Yogananda, what possibilities open up for humanity's future?

Anjie Hipple 1:43:19
It is possible for humanity to experience heaven on earth as the Christ told you, heaven being complete harmony, a unity, a falling away of all divisions, all cultural divisions, all religious and political divisions, and embracing of one another in complete love and acceptance and non judgmental is and there is the possibility of a renewing Of all the plants and animals, even the atmosphere and the weather patterns in the sky as a result of the elevated consciousness. And it is possible for Earth to be a paradise as it was originally intended to be.

Alex Ferrari 1:44:19
And finally, Yogananda, do you have any parting words that the audience needs to hear when they see this?

Anjie Hipple 1:44:26
I want each of you to know that you are seen. You are known. You are heard. The loving presence of Yeshua, the loving presence of source knows every hair on your head, the color of your eyes, the number of cells in your body knows everything about you and is fully aware of your experience. And as this vessel spoke earlier, and we wish to I wish to reiterate with my other. Brothers and sisters here presenting, there is nothing you can do to separate or divorce yourself from your purpose and from your divine nature and from your relationship with divinity. Release your guilt, release your sadness, if you can, and ensure into the knowing of this and the presence of this.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:27
Thank you. And finally, Anjie, can you bring in the Buddha?

Anjie Hipple 1:45:33
Okay,

Alex Ferrari 1:45:34
Buddha, thank you for showing up today. I appreciate it. My question to you is, what is the core message that you would not would you you would like to communicate to humanity right now?

Anjie Hipple 1:45:45
Peace cannot be found outside of yourself. It is found on the inside. Don't look outside of yourself for any instruction, correction, endeavor, outcome, release your obligations to things that are material. If you can be simple, live a simple life. Retreat into the inner man, and you will feel fire in your inner being, and this fire is the light of the world, which my brother, the Christ spoke. Rest more rest all of you are efforting far too much rest in the unfolding of the flower that is you and the unfolding of the flower that is the story of humanity.

Alex Ferrari 1:46:47
What can we do to create a more peaceful and harmonious world?

Anjie Hipple 1:46:54
Draw your attention back within yourself. Your attention is your life force energy. It is your power, but you have strewn it about like seed thrown onto hardened ground that can never produce life, bring your seed back in to your soul and grow it there in your own inner being, in the warmth of love and the soil of contemplation

Alex Ferrari 1:47:32
And Buddha do you have any final words for the audience?

Anjie Hipple 1:47:34
Only that I am pleased to be in your presence and that I honor you and the light within you and the opportunity to commune with you in presence.

Alex Ferrari 1:47:46
Thank you. She's back. How are you I was about was a heck of a roller coaster, wasn't it? Wow. How you feeling a little disoriented. I could imagine that that type of energy flowing through you.

Anjie Hipple 1:48:05
And when I open my eyes, I just kind of see white everywhere. So it takes a few minutes for my eyes to just a little bit

Alex Ferrari 1:48:11
No problem at all.

Anjie Hipple 1:48:12
I feel wonderful.

Alex Ferrari 1:48:13
Yeah, that's awesome. Babaji came in like a freight train.

Anjie Hipple 1:48:17
He was hilarious. He's a comedian.

Alex Ferrari 1:48:20
I told him, you need an agent. You'd kill on the college circuit. Wow. He was actually funnier this time. He was actually much more like, really like he was. There was a lot of energy. He was a lot looser. It was, it was fun to feel it. He was really beautiful. Anjie, while you're recovering there for a second, I'll tell you my I'll tell you my experience from this. I mean, we brought in four very powerful, very ascended beings, Christ, Yogananda, Babaji and Buddha. We'll bring up Michael next time I didn't think I was like, That's too much. She's like, was way. Then Michael comes in, like a big energy. So I felt like, I'm not going to beat her up too much today, but when Yeshua showed up, his energy is so, so beautiful and loving. It's gentle. It's extremely gentle,

Anjie Hipple 1:49:20
But also very, like, powerful too, like, very grounded, oh yeah, and confident,

Alex Ferrari 1:49:28
Yeah, that all of them have that, that power, that center, because they all have that center within themselves, that nothing's going to shake them, that's not even a thing. It's not going to happen. But he was so loving. It was kind of like, like he said, like a warm hug, like he was just trying to hug humanity. He's just trying to

Anjie Hipple 1:49:49
And I could see that, yeah, I could see him just wanting to physically, tangibly hold people and let them feel their grief.

Alex Ferrari 1:50:01
Yeah, it was, it was beautiful. And Baba Ji, was Baba Ji, he came in like a, like, a freight train. It was like, I saw hair flying everywhere. It was like, I was like, Oh, he's here.

Anjie Hipple 1:50:16
I'm definitely going down on the witchcraft category.

Alex Ferrari 1:50:19
There's no question that the devil was here and then, then. But what I find so fascinating when, when you're channeling multiple different energies that come through you, your percept, your presentation, changes so drastically. Yeah, so when it feels so different. So yes, it was definitely one energy. Babaji, definitely another energy. Yogananda has that same energy as he had before, which is this professorial, just so classy, yeah? Just like a like the teacher, elegant professor sitting here teaching you a lesson that. But that was his energy, yeah? You know, I mean, and there is footage of that. There isn't footage of Christ or of Buddha or a Babaji, but there is, there's footage of Yogananda teaching, and you hear this powerful being just talking and preaching in such a beautiful way.

Anjie Hipple 1:51:13
Well, you know, one of the listeners from the last time that we channel Yogananda said something about Yogananda was absolutely against channeling, but, but, you know, when I I After that interview, I went home and quickly bought Yogananda books and started reading them. And he's got three volumes, and he states very clearly in those volumes that he was channeling Christ and his followers who were present and a big part of his life during that time, said that he would go into a trance state and then write down these words of Jesus. So Yogananda actually was channeling Yeshua in those writings. Oh, I mean, it's his relationship with Yeshua was a channeled relationship. It wasn't from reading scripture,

Alex Ferrari 1:52:01
Right! Exactly. And he and Yeshua was such a big part of that lineage, with Baba Ji and Yukteshua and since, and many of that lineage, yet he put Jesus up there with the rest of them. And he was and he brought in a lot of people who believed in in the true teachings of Yeshua, not the dogma and the fear based stuff that became of it afterwards. But absolutely he, he channeled those things and and if anyone says something like what you just said is like, Oh well, he was completely against it. That is someone who's fearful of their foundation, even in this, in the foundation of Yogananda, that cannot shift into anything else that's outside of what they believe, the Zealots, if you will, of what they have to keep it in this box. It can't be anything else.

Anjie Hipple 1:52:55
Yeah, and I know, like for you, and I just as people, right my experience, like in marriage, you know, I don't want my husband to hold me today to being what I was, how I was four years ago or five years ago or six years ago. I want him to let me be what I am right now, and want him to see how I've grown and changed and know me as who I am now. And I kind of feel like Yogananda and Yeshua, and, you know, especially Yeshu, I really felt, feel that from him every time I channel him, that he really wants people to know him personally and intimately, and really wants us to drop the lens of religion. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:53:38
Of religion. No question. And then Buddha. Buddha's energy is so peaceful. He's so calm, tranquil.

Anjie Hipple 1:53:50
Feels like a void, space when I'm channeling him.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:54
Yeah, he he's just this. It's just peace. It's pure peace. And even the way he speaks through you. It was just so just peaceful, just like this tranquil conversation. So it was very it was very moving. It was very beautiful being in the room with this those energies so delight. Thank you so much. Of course, I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Anjie Hipple 1:54:21
To be happy and to fulfill your soul's mission, whatever you feel that to be just to and to enjoy it all and embrace it all.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:31
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Anjie, what would you tell her?

Anjie Hipple 1:54:35
I would tell her to trust herself and her gut instinct that I would tell her, you're smarter and wiser than you know, and to keep pushing back against, you know, the people that try to steal your your joy. I think, I think I was a really bright child. As far as I love to be center stage, I love to sing, I love to dance, I love to be creative. And I. Let religion stomp a lot of that out of me. So I would tell her, just keep doing your thing, sweetheart, keep doing your thing, because I love the way you are.

Alex Ferrari 1:55:07
Now, what would little Angie tell you?

Anjie Hipple 1:55:10
I think she would tell me the same thing. She would say, why aren't you singing and dancing more?

Alex Ferrari 1:55:18
Little Anjie has an attitude. I love she has a little tude. She does. She has a little tude. I like it. She's spicy. How do you define God or Source?

Anjie Hipple 1:55:27
Well, I did. I allowed God to become a question mark for a long time. And now where I'm landing these days is that God is this infinite, infinite field of energy, white light, life, force, energy and inside of this unfathomable, beyond description, field, you're there, I'm there. All these beautiful listeners are there. Babaji is there. Yeshu is there, Buddha's there, Yogananda is there.

Alex Ferrari 1:55:57
Beautiful. What is love?

Anjie Hipple 1:55:59
Love is being okay with everything that is not judging it at all, but embracing it with total acceptance and allowing,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:12
If you could ask God our source one question, what would it be?

Anjie Hipple 1:56:15
How can I be more of what you are, and how can I share that with others in a way that really matters to them.

Alex Ferrari 1:56:23
That's beautiful, beautiful answer. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Anjie Hipple 1:56:28
Hmm, I think just to exist, to breathe in and out, to be.

Alex Ferrari 1:56:33
And where can people find out more about you, Judah, and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Anjie Hipple 1:56:37
You can visit us at thejudahchannel.com you can find us on YouTube and all all the other outlets at the Judah channel, and we'd love to to meet you, to serve you. We have so many tools and things available, and it's a delight

Alex Ferrari 1:56:55
That's amazing. And you're going to be part of a couple new shows that we're going to be doing soon as well. So for people, yes, to be part of Next Level Soul TV and what we're doing there. So I'm looking forward to sharing the world, sharing that aspect of you as well, to the world. Yeah, thank you so much. Oh, thank you so much. And same here. And do you have any parting messages for this audience?

Anjie Hipple 1:57:21
Be okay with everything that's going on right now. Life is perfect. Today is perfect. You're perfect. You're so much more powerful and beautiful than you know, and you have so much support. It's unseen, yes, perhaps, but it's there. And keep asking for help, and if you don't, haven't met your guides, your angels, yet you can always ask Judah. Judah will answer you. I have hundreds and 1000s of stories of people getting miracles from Judah. Sometimes I actually hear people in the middle of the night. I'll wake up and hear the other night, I heard a man say, Judah, should I have this surgery? And I heard you to give them an answer, so angels are there for you. And keep going. Just keep going. You're doing fine. I really just want to be like that person at the marathon that stands on the sideline with the water when you run by, and just keepgoing. You're doing great.

Alex Ferrari 1:58:20
Anjie it has been such a pleasure and honor having you in the room. It's always fun. Having you in the show and especially in room, in the room is always the best way to do it. It's so much fun. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken this planet. Thank You! Thank you!