Shifting from Survival to Thriving with Zach Bush

Zach Bush 0:00
We're so distracted by the chaos of our collapse that we don't even realize how deep it is. We don't realize that the extinction is already unfolding.

Alex Ferrari 0:08
This is the birth of life. Life is fighting to come into this reality.

Zach Bush 0:14
We're the greatest technology this earth has ever created. By far. Our organism has things that we're able to generate, frequency wise, that no other species has done on this planet. You have to surrender your life that's within you and around you to the Divine to create through because we were told trust the science. As a scientist that doesn't even make sense, that sentence doesn't make sense, we're going to wake up. And here's the path to wakening up.

Alex Ferrari 0:41
I like to welcome to the show with Dr. Zach Bush, how you doing Zach?

Zach Bush 0:58
What a pleasure to be here. I'm really glad to be with you Alex.

Alex Ferrari 1:01
Man, thank you so much for coming. I've I've really, really, really been looking forward to this conversation with you, man, because I love your work. I love what you're trying to do in the world and what you are doing in the world to help try to awaken people to a lot of different things, both from the scientific side, but you also dabble in the spiritual side as well. And I'm really interested to go down the rabbit hole. I think there's multiple rabbit holes we're gonna go down. But you are a triple Is it a certified, three time certified board, please tell me I'm horrible at this

Zach Bush 1:36
Actually I mean, in some ways, is a part of my past, but I got three board specialties in medicine, internal medicine, internal medicine, then Endocrinology and Metabolism, which is the study of hormones, and ultimately energy production in the body, with metabolism and that gets into the mitochondria, which live inside our cells. And then the third sub specialty was kind of as I was exiting my 17 years in academia, I started nutrition center for focusing on reversing chronic disease through our connection to food and Mother Earth, and in that process, was needing another job and needing to make money. So I actually got a third sub specialty in hospice and palliative care, and was a hospice director for four years doing end of life care. So that's, you know, in some ways, at the very beginning of my career, birthing babies in the Philippines, I was going into engineering, and then took a hard left turn after that trip and went into medicine. So it was really birthing babies on the front end, and then doing the death doula kind of process of hospice at the back end of my career that I think gave me the opportunity to have a really unique look into the we might call it a spiritual reality, but it's the energetic reality of what it means to be an identity, what it means to have an identity, and watching that come in and exit the human experience, I think, gave me a unique perspective to start on a very deep, deconstructive process of changing my own mindset and my own concept of self. And so while I don't feel like I'm helping other people towards any kind of spiritual awareness, I've been able to at least be transparent about my own journey into the loss of the frameworks of the stories that I had grown up being told as they just weren't fitting my own life experience. You know, watch enough births of a chill child, and you work watch enough deaths of an elder, and you realize these, these don't fit anybody's one story. There's something more beautiful, something more whole happening to each one of us, and so I'm just on a mad pursuit of learning that and experiencing that in my own body, because I'm pretty sure I can die before my body's gone, if I can really die to myself thoroughly, I'm curious to see what births out of that.

Alex Ferrari 3:36
That's beautifully said, Sir, beautifully said. So yeah, your perspective of starting your career, birthing children's children in the Philippines. How many kids did you bring into the world? How many souls did you bring into the world?

Zach Bush 3:49
I mean, through that experience, and then later in the OB GYN world. And I thought I was going to go into OB for some time, and it's hundreds. I'd never kept track of it, I suppose. But yeah, it was a lot of babies coming in.

Alex Ferrari 4:04
As all of those as all of those souls are coming in. What was the thing that you kind of kept seeing that you're like? This is very interesting, because this is the birth of life. Life is fighting to come into this reality, to come into this simulation, this existence. What was the thing that caught you off guard when you started to continuously see that? And then we'll go to the other end in a second.

Zach Bush 4:27
Yeah, the level of genius that is exhibited in the formation of a human inside the womb of woman has never been measured. We've figured out the structure of atoms. We've figured out, you know, the extent of the universe we've dissected. You know, nearly every physical feature of the world to sort through how things work. Not a single scientist has even been able to put together a theory on how this happens, because it's, frankly, just beyond any human. Comprehension how a single cell can begin a self differentiation process where it splits into 70 trillion cells, and then somehow each of those 70 trillion cells knows where to go in a three dimensional map to then differentiate into a very specific cell with a completely radically different shape function. You know, genomic expression kidney cell can be, you know, 1,000,000th of an inch within the border of, you know, a fibrous tissue cell. And yet they have exact they know exactly who they are. They know exactly why they are right where they are. And so the the intricate scale of the tininess of the mechanisms of a human body and how everything knows how to become that nobody has a clue. No, no. It's definitely not in the cell that information doesn't exist. Inside the human DNA, for example, there's no information. There is blueprint inside. There's no blueprint. And so you are self organizing the womb of your mother into something that we might call human. And then it's compounded by the reality of your connection in nature actually shaping the body every millionth of a second. So every millionth of a second, the atomic structure of a human body dissolves and reappears, as does this table. And so anything solid is anything but solid. It's actually a momentary physical expression of light. And so when you start to realize, okay, somehow we are these energetic centers, these extremely intense concentrations of light energy to become physical matter. And in that extreme light energy, we have the ability to coordinate communication to adhere to this greater map, this greater design of beauty that is unfolding in nature. All of that is to say that it's beyond the word miracle. It's this is to see the face of a child coming into this world and taking its first breath. You are in the physical presence of the genius of the universe in its totality, I don't think the universe has done anything more magnificent than birth life. And so that's a bit of the discovery that I began into. And I could not have articulated any of that when I was 19 years old, my first experiences of birthing children, but, but as a kid, you know 19 year olds, you the beauty of being 19 is you think you've got everything figured out. And the beauty thing, you think the world is your oyster, and everything's gonna go like, I'm in control. Here I go. And then I saw that first baby come out, and I was like, Oh no. I don't think I know anything. And I don't, I don't even know if I belong here on the planet. Was one of the experiences like this doesn't seem I don't feel like I deserve to even witness this. The power that is in a woman to do what she does in that process of surrendering her body to source, to create within her is something that the male psyche can't really comprehend in the way in which we've currently been trained. And I think a lot of our religious and spiritual practices are a lot about that. How do you go on a path to radical surrender of your own space to let God create through it? And so that's some of the things that were seeded in my consciousness in those years in the Philippines, or that time in the Philippines and in the years that subsequently happened, I had the blessing of seeing the contrast between these incredible group of international midwives that trusted that feminine power so much that as they walked into the room with a woman that was in labor, they immediately endowed her With the confidence the capacity to do this miraculous thing called child labor and birth, contrasted with my experience within a couple years in the medical system, where every woman was told that this was a highly risky thing, and she was this was a pathology, more than a miracle, and watched the difference between those two Worlds and how women are just systematically disempowered in our current society and our current medical systems. And it's not limited to the medical system. I think women are disempowered from this miraculous capacity that they have within them to have a human womb is unbelievable in its ability to bring forth a child. But what I've slowly been learning is that womb space, that creative center, is available anybody, anytime, male, female, to create from. So there's an energy center deep in our core that we can surrender to source to create through. It's a really interesting possibility that our greatest work comes when we blind ourselves to the to the whole process, when we are so willing to turn it over to something bigger than ourselves that we can't even see the process. And that's basically what's happening when one cell turns into 70 trillion. We cannot see that process. The way in which a womb works is to blind. Us to itself, basically. And so the woman uses progesterone to do this. And so progesterone is a potent immune block. And so her immune system cannot see what's going on there. Her neurologic system cannot see what's going on in there. And so to allow another being to form inside of you, you have to keep it so blanketed that you can't see it, because if for a moment the woman saw that thing, her immune system would destroy it. Because the immune system would see it as foreign material and destroy it. It's probably the most potent example that we have of what does it mean to be with God? What does it mean to be God? It means to surrender yourself to the processes of the universe and its creative force so profoundly that you can't even see what's going on. You can't figure it out. You can't go make it better. You can't fix this thing. And for that, I have severe concerns around our whole concept that's emerged around biohacking. I don't think it's a good idea to try to hack something that's that miraculous, I think we need to surrender to the creative force within us, rather than try to micromanage and hack, you know, with our limited intelligence.

Alex Ferrari 11:10
Right! And it's, it's, there seems to be this trend now among billionaires or very, very rich men specifically, I haven't seen a woman do it yet that are coming out trying to basically live forever, and thinking that they can hack themselves by taking obscene amounts of this, or obscene amounts of that, or this kind of supplement, to try to hack their their genome, even to hack their DNA, to keep it going longer. It's it doesn't seem right to me in many ways. I'm all about listen, you take vitamins. I take vitamins. I hope you I mean, do you take vitamins? I don't. You don't. So there you go. Take vitamins. I take vitamins, but you eat probably healthy enough that you get every nutrition and micronutrients and all that stuff that you need for your microbiome and so on. So we take care of ourselves. Yeah, you and I are both 27 we've aged horrible,

Zach Bush 12:04
95 one of the two.

Alex Ferrari 12:10
But I'm all about that. But it seems like there's this talk of AI going in to the system, yeah, and basically just constantly checking your system to like, Oh, you're low on potassium, inject potassium. Oh, you're low in magnesium. Inject magnesium to keep the system going. What do you think? What are your thoughts on that?

Zach Bush 12:30
Yeah, both the biohacking movement and the medical community at large have treated the human body as if it's a chemistry phenomenon, and we're not. We're a biology phenomenon. The reason it treats us as a chemistry problem is because chemistry is super simple. Sodium plus chloride, you get salt. You know, you can measure the electrolytes in a human body quite easily. For $4 you can find out if your sodium is good, your potassium, all these things. And so your electrolytes are measured. And so you can say, Oh, you need more calcium, or you need more magnesium. I did that for years as a doctor, and it turns out that it never works. What's happening inside the body with those electrolytes have very little to do with those electrolytes. It has to do with what is life creating inside your body. But the reason we need the reductionist belief systems of like, here's what we can measure in your blood chemistry, or here's what we can measure in your REM sleep with your oura ring. Here's the data. We've done that because we cannot freaking figure out biology, because it's a miracle inside of every cell. And so we talked about one cell turning into 7 trillion cells, and the miraculous nature of that, that level of miracle is happening in every single one of those cells as well. And so every single cell is a black box as to how that stuff figures itself out. And so as a cell biologist, for you know, I still am. I still around my cell biology lab in in Virginia, and we get to peer through microscopes every day. We now have these incredible Computer Aided systems now that what used to take us four hours to get a single high powered image on our microscope, we can do 96 times seven. So we can do 650, experiments in four minutes with these robots that are now doing these things for us. And so the speed at which we can get information is extreme, and we haven't learned anything more, in a sense, because all we keep seeing, if you're really honest with yourself, is miracles. And so it's an ego can't the ego can't handle that. And so we keep diminishing the miracle down to something we can measure. And what we can measure is not life. Life is too complex. Life is actually a system of relationships. And something as complex as human life is a system of millions of species, not actual organisms, millions of species interacting. And so when you get into that level of complexity in Europe, in 14 quadrillion mitochondria, 1.4 quadrillion bacteria, five, 6 trillion fungal elements in a human body. There's so much going on in a human body. And. That to actually understand the whole of it is impossible, and so we try to break down the system to look at these little elements, to find tracking metrics that then correlate with life, health, disease, whatever it is. But at best, we're doing the breadcrumb thing, and the real danger of doing a breadcrumb thing is then presented as if it's the truth. And this is where I think we've seen, you know, those recent five years really take us down a deep, dark hole in public health, because we were told, trust the science. As a scientist, that doesn't even make sense. That sentence doesn't make sense. There's nothing to trust in science. And like trusting the science makes it sound like there's a body of truth. Science is a process, not bank of truth. And so somehow the word science got transmuted to mean truth instead of a process of understanding. And so science is an inherent, you know, process. It's a journey into discovery. It's it's a process of by which we have created the opportunity to explore miracles that will never be understood by human mind, but will be felt every day. And so where I've been going last 15 years is doing less and less studies on my patients in regards their chemistries and their labs and their imaging and all that. And do more and more focus on what do you feel inside your body, and then turn it over to them to rebirth themselves. Everybody has the information inside of them that they used to self form in their mother's womb that never left you because you're still doing it right. Every millionth of a second I have to remap this body and re manifest light into particle and put it back in the same order so that I look like me. Then another millionth of a second

Alex Ferrari 16:56
To hold on to the to the code, if we're in the matrix, to hold on to the code that makes Zach, Zach and Alex, Alex, it's constantly remapping itself throughout the day and throughout our entire lifetime. It's constantly every millisecond is this is happening. And then I always, always like to ask a doctor, specifically someone like yourself. Why the hell do we age? Because we're rebuilding our bodies. Every you know you have a new skin, every how many days you have a new heart, every so many days you have a new brain, every, every seven months, or something like, I don't know what the time,

Zach Bush 17:36
Every seven years, every cell is turned over. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 17:38
So every seven years you have a brand new Zach, brand new out and various variations and within those seven years of different things. But why are we aging and not staying at the peak? Let's say I would love to be at 23 Yeah. Physically,

Zach Bush 17:55
That would be an ideal age. Not mentally, yeah. Well, between 23 and 29 mentally too? No, no. Mentally like, not experientially. Yeah, the capacity, yeah, I wish you hadn't the experience of a 90 year old and a 23 year old brain. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 18:09
That's what I'm thinking so. But what is the science? And also, just what is your take on why we age? If you can explain it to in a layman way

Zach Bush 18:19
We want to it's us that's whatever we want to age,

Alex Ferrari 18:23
Because we see other people aging, so we age.

Zach Bush 18:26
No, I think, I think it's even deeper that I think we don't want to be here forever. I think we want a finite experience. And so the soul, which is a fractal of God, is how I would think of it, is a geometry that's permanent. And this is what I definitely learned in the second book, end of my career. Death is not an end point. That is a massive rebirth. It is a massive reconnection. But I've seen so many near death experiences where people are going back and forth across the veil over and over again, and they've told me the most magnificent stories. I mean, the Near Death Experiences are just so lovely. I mean, every one of them just makes you warm and just like, sit back and chuckle at yourself that you think anything is real, that you're sitting here perceiving. And so I love near death experience for that, like, reorientation of like, oh yeah, this is all fake. Everything we're doing is a dream, and we wake back up into this bigger reality as soon as we dip a pass. And the interesting thing about all those near death experiences, they'll travel the cosmos. They go to a distant planet, they meet their ancestors. They do all this. They never miss the I Am. Their identity is permanent, is unwavering. The second, you know, the millisecond they let go of the human consciousness. They're still I am. There's no gap between I'm Zach and I am the I Am that this is deep to me, is permanent and unwavering, and every millionth of a second is the same, that identity unchanging has an experience that I've heard many times is, oh my gosh, everything is perfect. I am fully accepted. I. Connected everything the cosmos is the journey is perfect. Everything isn't perfect. My human experience was just perfect. That being, why would you want not just stay there, like if, if everything's perfect all the time, and you're connected everything, and you see the light and everything's glory, and you're in the ocean of love. We want a finite experience so that we can see the beauty that we are conscious. You want to have the separation, so that you can look back at the beauty of everything. And we see this in nature a lot. And then you go watch our sunset, and the humans are lined up there. And all you know, we sit there in three hour meditation while the sky goes through all its color changes, and then the dark sets in. The moon comes up and the stars come out, and we're just in awe. And we said none of the other species are sitting there paying attention to any of that they are it the birds of the air are the sunset, and they settle into the tree because it is Sunset, but it is sunset. The sunset is an it is I am moment for them, and so there's no pondering of the colors, and they're not all meditating on what could happen tomorrow. They're fully presenced, and there's no questioning of their connection everything. It's this unique state of being human and being a finite experience where we are aging, we have this temporal experience of the perspectives on reality from a distance. And it's kind of like Archimedes, you know, saying, If you give me a platform, I'll move the Earth with a lever, you know, if you give me a platform away from nature, if you split my consciousness away from God, I will see it, and I will be able to see it and feel it and feel it differently than I can when I'm fully connected and part of it. And so I think we are signing up probably through what makes sense to me is a very select and unique blessing to be picked for this journey,

Alex Ferrari 21:56
Right and also at this time in history,

Zach Bush 21:59
No greater time. Maybe you know this, every 70,000 years, it seems humans go through this massive epoch shift, and we're right in the middle of that end of a 70,000 year cycle, in the beginning of the next. And we don't know if we hold on to these bodies in the next. You know, we may go through a massive metamorphosis, rather than survival of our current biology because of what's been cooked into our biology last 100 years may may be inescapable. We may have doomed ourselves to biologic extinction, but biologic extinction is not the same as energetic extinction. What do our souls want to learn from that human experience and go on to do? And can we do that fast enough, while we're still in the body, to transform these bodies to survive what we've created and really transformed the suffering and the separation fast enough and early enough that we can actually stay and play in these biologies. And so those are all possibilities that sit in front of us.

Alex Ferrari 22:51
So the thing that's really interesting about your work, and you've spoken about this before, is, and I haven't really never heard anyone else put it together like this, the this shift that's happening in humanity right now. We can all feel it. We've been feeling it, probably since the early 2000s

Zach Bush 23:08
Yeah, or late 60s, like there was just such a massive awakening, right?

Alex Ferrari 23:12
Yeah. So there was, I think those were the seeds. I think those were the beginnings of the seeds,

Zach Bush 23:16
The dawning, dawning of Aquarius. Maybe

Alex Ferrari 23:21
There's a lot of organic weed. They

Zach Bush 23:26
Hadn't got glyphosate yet.

Alex Ferrari 23:28
Yes, exactly, they had some nice, clean weed back then. But so that was the beginning stages of it. But it's still, even in our lifetime, the speed of things. You know, I remember the 70s, I remember the 80s and the 90s. And I started this. I If you look back and like, oh, stuff started to speed up and speed up. And I looked at it in my industry, which is the film industry. It's like we had movies, and that was in movies and theaters forever, like that was thing. Movies weren't. Then this VHS thing showed up that hung out for a little while, about decade, 15 years, Blockbuster, then blah, of course, Blockbuster. But then DVD showed up, and DVD picked up even faster. And it was, it started to, it started to go obsolete faster than the VHS did. Then blu ray came out, then streaming came out, and then and that, and that happened to all but so I started seeing all the technologies speeding up. Things are starting to speed up now. It feels like every year is 10 years. I mean, every year since 2020, has been so intense, so insane. This year is no different, and it seems to be getting more sped up, more crazy and but what you've been able to you said in another interview, which I thought was so brilliant, is that what we've done to ourselves, biologically and to the earth environmentally is what is a catalyst for a lot of the chaos that's happening in socioeconomic and, you know, in. Finance, in media, in medicine and all these things. It's, it's a parallel. Can you kind of dive into that a bit?

Zach Bush 25:07
Yeah, I think what we've gotten used to is activists running around telling us how evil human behavior is and how the oil companies are the problem and Monsanto is the problem, and Bayer is the problem, and Western medicine is the problem and pharmaceuticals are the problem, and vaccines are the problem, and governments are the problem. The FDA is the problem, CDC is the problem, the who is the problem? World Economic Forum is the problem. Davos is the problem. That's what we're used to, is looking outside of ourselves and coming up with 1000 reasons as to who's an idiot, who's not thinking right? Who's exploiting us, who's the who's the dark force? Yeah, and we've spent so much time being programmed to look outside of ourselves for stories and experiences that justify the way that we feel inside. At some point in the journey we don't have enough mental energy to maintain the stories and that egoic belief that all of our problems are outside of ourself, and that's this wonderful moment that we might be taking ourselves to is we might have had to poison our entire food system and soil systems and take biology on the entire planet to A metabolic utter collapse, which we've done in order to see through the veil in these bodies, because the dense shield of the ego that's dominated the human experience for at least 1000s of years and has bred our empire rise and fall, the exploitation of ecosystems, the exploitation of children and women, the exploitation and killing of men at younger and younger ages in war, or otherwise, we're going to keep repeating that pattern, as we see unfolding in Ukraine, Gaza, Israel, Syria, name, the place the United States and the CIA has been part of 78 wars globally over the last 50 years, and so we're going to keep that going for as long as we can't see past this belief system of we are separate from everything, and therefore we have to war for everything. What can dismantle such a dense belief system? What can dismantle a universal belief that we are separate from nature. If you ask anybody, are you separate from nature? Are you really separate from nature? Is nature devoid in your body? However, they'll sit there and be like, no, no, no, I'm part of nature. But if you go read the Oxford English Dictionary, it says that nature is everything in the firmament of the Earth, the minerals, the plants, the animals, as opposed to humans or anything humans have made. So we didn't just write ourselves out in nature. We RIT ourself into opposition with nature in our definition. And that's what groupthink does you ask any individual? Are you outside of nature? You separate from nature? No, no. But you ask any group of people, is nature for you or against you, we we go immediately to this, well, we got to protect ourselves from germs. We got to protect ourselves from macro economies. We got to protect ourselves from the Chinese or the Russians or the thing, what like? How is it that as soon as we put five or six or 10 human brains together, suddenly we are outside of nature, and I believe it's because of this vibrational, you know, kind of harmonic that we can hit together, as our egoic brain does believe we're separate, does believe we're rejected, therefore the ego and so you put a few of those together, and suddenly we're in this alternate reality of nature against humans. And in that reality, the only logical thing is, I need more comfort. I need more convenience. I need no more protection. Yeah, to for all that, I need more wealth. There's only a few hours in the day. I'm not I'm not able to, like, build 17 houses a week. And so since I can't be productive enough to create that wealth, I'm having to create an abstract economy in which I extract from distant people that I can't see. And so I need to put a food system under slave labor. I need my my commodities market to be slave labor to China and South Asia and all that, to make my jeans so that I can wear pants for $15 you know, we we create all these abstract economies to justify and hide slave labor for the convenience and sense of safety and that sense of wellness, sense of economic capacity, that's all fake, and so we're doing all that. So what? What would it take if World Wars aren't enough to wake us up and continue to iterate? I think the only thing left was, let's poison ourselves to the point where we don't have enough energy left to keep these stories going, and so we may be taking ourselves into this pattern of complete, utter collapse of the biology, so that we can, just for a moment, see the truth is that we were birthed here through our own intelligence. We can say it's God, but it's really you, your soul, knit that thing together. Yeah. In your mother's womb, and you are here, iterating a life that's aging so that it can see all the beauty of a world from all the different perspectives. Sitting with my grandfather on a veranda while he smokes cigarettes to his death was a different experience than sitting on the floor building Legos with my son at age two, he's got such a different perspective at age two than the 82 year old grandfather who's dying of his cigarette smoking, and they're both beautiful. And so why do we age I think it's because we want to, because we want to see all of the beauty of the world in this finite couple breasts that we call human, infinite soul wants to see it from every one of those perspectives,

Alex Ferrari 30:43
This shift that we're going through right now, this cycle that's ending, it seems that it's very similar to our personal journey. It mirrors our personal journey, our collective journey is mirroring our personal journey, which is, I don't know about you, but there were moments in my life where I didn't listen to the nudges of the universe, and it's

Zach Bush 31:05
That Sledgehammer comes.

Alex Ferrari 31:06
It starts as a whisper, then a tap, then a nudge, and then the sledgehammer comes. And we are now in the sledgehammer portion of our collective like we didn't listen for years. And now we're at that place where, like we gotta go, we gotta go to rock bottom. And it might be to a rock bottom that we cannot come back out of, on a on a biologic, biologic, biologic framework. Just change completely from what we know.

Zach Bush 31:37
And that's laid out in a lot of texts that you study. You know, from Yogananda on down. If you look at the Judeo Christian side, or you look at this perspective that would be put out there by any of the lineages you've studied, it's all pointing us to this, this thing of an awakening, right? We're going to wake up. And here's the path to awakening up, you know. And so we have a Christ figure or a Yogananda disappearing at very young ages, and the experience that they left behind was a message of this truth is inherent to everything. You don't have to go find it. It's inside of you. You don't need a teacher. You don't need a guru. You don't need this is the gurus telling us this, like, Stop putting me on the pedestal. I'm here to tell you it's inside of you. Look inside. Look inside. We have no place else to look when we completely collapse. And so when we think of an illness, whether it be mental health or the flu, we end up in bed. We get to these points of sickness that we have branded as a bad thing so that we can rebirth. I believe that the body uses these moments of collapse to give you enough stillness so you begin the birthing process again. I hit my major depression in 2009 2010 I had to go that low where I'm contemplating on daily basis and exit strategy to get out of my human body. I had to get there before I was still enough, because before that, I was a mad machine of productivity. I was working 100 hours a week in hospitals. I was raising my kids. I had started a construction company building houses. I was building my own house in the woods. Like, it turns out, you know, 24 hours times seven, that's pretty amazing. You've got like, 168 hours a week. Like, oh my gosh, go, dude. Like, there's so many hours in a week. Like, you can pour it in, like, 40 hour work week. Great. I can work three jobs at once, sleep for four hours. Look at how productive i That's the drive that was inside of me, and it was insane. It wasn't healthy. It wasn't good for my marriage. It wasn't good for my kids, it wasn't good for me. I had to the frenetic energy inside of me was was this, I think, ultimately, fear, guilt, shame, paradigm that I wasn't enough. I wasn't doing enough, I wasn't providing enough. Wasn't experiencing enough, and I had to crash that ship completely until so that I would hold still. And one of those first times that I hold held still was at the end of 2009 when I was just I had nothing left. I was my research had been shut down by pharmaceutical company, and 17 years of academia now wasn't making sense. I thought I was gonna be a lifetime academician. I thought I was gonna be the chair of the department. I thought, you know, then dean of the med school, like I had this beautiful 40 year career that they had mapped out for me. I'm like, you'll do this, and then you do this, and you'll get awards every year. We'll make sure we give you a plaque every year. And so I already had a wall of plaques that were just like junk, like plastic things that had my name on. Why? What is this thing? What am I doing here? I couldn't figure out what I was doing here, so I had to crash that thing completely. And in that silence, I just started calling out to to the universe, God, divine, whatever. I couldn't even. Put a word. I was just like, please, if there's a way for me to be a living sacrifice, keep me alive and use this body for something else. But this isn't working like this is clearly a poor use of a human genius, a human miracle, put me into something else, and it was just that stillness and that surrender, and then my womb of a life turned back on, and I started creating stuff that I couldn't imagine just a few months earlier. And so companies came through, and ideas for the future came through, and the nature started birthing itself through the womb of a human and I have experienced being a generative center for a long time now. Sometimes the projects go really well. Sometimes a lot of times, project seems like peter out, but they cited a lot of us on the way. They're all doing something in the field that I don't understand, and I've stopped metricing them of like they made money, or they didn't make money, or they were there for three years, they were there for three months as an idea and never came to fruition. We have to stop worrying about and defining the success of our ideas based on their economic impact is an idea coming through. Let that thing birth through and see what it has. And it's a thing of its own, and it's coming through you, which means it's probably coming through dozens of other humans on the planet. Can you attract them to you so that you suddenly have a team of 12 people that are visioning this thing in rather than you taking on as a personal burden of like, oh, I had this vision. Now I have to go do it, but I had to crash the ship, just as you were talking about with the sledgehammer effect, and I've had to do it multiple times since then. And what I've found is that it's much more effective for me to just intentionally run into the wall every morning, as soon as I wake up, just be like, smash it into the wall and stop for a moment and be like, you know, just and for me, the smash into the wall thing tends to be, you know, an intentional process of silence. If you can bring even a small part of you into silence, it becomes the wall that everything else will smash into. So all of my busy thoughts, all of my, you know, drive and this like adrenaline of like, let's go do, what's my email? What's my whatsapp, what's the things? Who's gonna be crash all of that into the silence for a moment, and then let the day burst through you again today. And it's been a lot more effective way to be alive, ultimately. And it's not easy, because it's, I think, challenge the relationships and work around me in particular, because I'm not a typical, you know, Founder, CEO kind of guy like most people, like, I'm gonna have an exit strategy in four years. I'm like, I don't even know if I'm be out of the womb in four years. It's an idea that it looks like it could change the world. Maybe it's good now, maybe it's relevant in 300 years. But I don't understand. I certainly don't have that mind inside of me that's like, I'm going to raise the capital and do the thing, and KPIs and row as and all those acronyms and things and things and like. So that would be make a good business. But is that the way that nature wants to work through me? And I've found that No, nature's not actually awesome, not concerned about that ROAs of the idea. And so I don't take any vitamins, but I've been drinking dirt water for 15 years now, and that's what came through me. Was nature revealing that fossil soils had the missing link between our old biology and this new disease of biology today. And so our team started extracting those soil elements about 15 years ago, put those into supplements more than a dozen years ago. And so we have these liquid supplements that people all over the world are now drinking that are tying them back to the original intelligence of the microbiome. And it turns out that's the intelligence by which we coordinate life within the mother's womb or within our body that has to rebirth every millionth of a second. You have to have wireless communication network up and running to achieve that, because if one cell can't talk to the other, you start to fundamentally age faster, and you start to this process of disease, of disconnection or isolation at the cellular level. And so we were very blessed by a whole series of events to discover that the soil is making that communication network, and that are modern soils around the world today that have uniformly been poisoned by chemicals that disrupt that communication network. Nature has been graceful enough to leave us a record of that in her fossil soils. And so, 60 million years ago, before the last extinction, she put rich data banks of information, this wireless communication network into her reservoir there that would be the antidote to the glyphosate that we're pouring into our soils today. And so this makes me believe that Earth is an organism, oh, yeah, and that organism is far more intelligent and is probably working in a fifth dimensional environment where she's never allowed an injury to occur in the future that already doesn't have a solution, and so she's a generative engine that already knows all of the potential stressors in her own system, and has built an environment in which those can be ameliorated by more connection.

Alex Ferrari 39:54
Beautifully said, sir. Beautifully said, I wanted to go back for a second on something you talked about when you were. And hospice, and you saw so many souls leaving in that nd in those nd experiences, what did you ever see or have a personal like shared death experience or something like that, though you felt it in the room, and what were some of the common things that all of them said or saw as they were, because I've heard, I've had many other hospice professionals on the show and and then also mediums and things like that, who tell me what is happening during the deathbed cycle, who comes, how many days before they come? Things like that. I'm curious, from your point of view, what you saw.

Zach Bush 40:41
Yeah, a lot of there's a lot of moments where I just regret that I wasn't more awake at that time than than I was, but even in in the state that I was in, where I was slowly coming up out of my dream of the 3d realm and starting to be able to feel the multi dimensional stuff, I was very, very young in that process, at that point that I was doing the hospice work. And so I'd say I was experiencing it from the perspective of a non expert in death, in the sense that when you get a medium in here, you get somebody who's working with multi dimensionals or Elementals. These people have come in or have developed a gift of understanding the multi dimensionals, feeling it, communicating with it, that I certainly didn't have at that point and barely have at this point. And so that's my disclaimer, is like, you're now going to listen to the perspective of somebody who was is was so dominantly believing the three dimensional reality. And so I was seeing, there's a scripture actually, that I think really resonates here is that I was seeing through the glass darkly. It's a scripture from Psalms I believe, and we see through the glass darkly is the scripture, and what it's describing is the experience of stained glass in a church. And so you look through stained glass and you get a sense of, oh yeah, there's some sunshine back there, or it's nighttime, or maybe there's a shadow that passes if somebody walks in front of the window. But you certainly can't see any detail. That's what it says humans are always doing. We're looking through the glass darkly. And so we can, we cannot actually see any of the reality. And so we get this version of it, and it's beautiful because it's stained glass. It's spectacular. And so we can see the colors and we see the beauty of it all, but we can't actually see what's happening behind the glass. And so that's how I feel about the death. Thing is, I heard spectacular stories from people who suddenly were on the other side and come back. But the limitations of my experience with that is I kept in my mind saying, oh, that's on the other side of the veil. And over here, that's not happening. In these last 10 years, I've spent that with so many indigenous peoples and wisdom keepers and science. Indigenous science is the whole secret to everything. The Kabbalah is one of the oldest sciences on the earth, and the Kabbalah and the intelligence of the Khoi and the San people of Africa. That's 100,000 year oral history there, the intelligence of design and connectivity and sensing into nature, the the ability for remote viewing and non local, you know, influences of nature and back and forth of the Aboriginal peoples and it's the Maori. They've taught me what I was missing in all those near death experience witnesses, as I kept thinking, we're having this 3d experience, and then we can go to this other place that's 5d or 17 D, and that's right here, the three. That's very hard to keep that in mind. If that's not something that's going to happen after death, that's something that's happening right now. And so in this room are multi dimensionals, elementals, what we call them. We could call them ghosts and ancestors. We could call them spirit guides, spirit guides. We could call them aliens. We could Ascended Masters. What Ascended Masters? All of these. You know, stories and titles that we put on them are real, and they are here right now, in these seven dimensions of reality, at least, that that sit here on on the planet simultaneously, right now, in this environment, and yet we're still having the experience of you and I are alone in this room. And so when I was experiencing the near death experiences, I was listening to the stories, but I wasn't feeling the reality well. And now that I sit with my own life, I can feel my own death every day, and I can actually experience what they were telling me while I'm still in my biology, because I'm starting to learn how to let go of the belief that I'm solid and realize in this moment, I can close my eyes. I can go multi dimensional. I can sense who's here, and as soon as I do that, you feel it. You feel who's in the room with you. You, for some reason, we're all capable of knowing their identities, like, Who is that? What is that being right next to me there, and it. Aries like sometimes it's these five, sometimes it's these three, sometimes it's this one. But I have never gone into that space of who's around me and found nobody. We are so cared for, and we are so protected, nurtured, protected, nurtured, known. We are seen at levels that we can't see ourselves. And just knowing that can heal the original wound of humanity, which is we are separate, therefore we are unseen. Everybody runs around here and and all of our kind of Neo spiritualism, we run around these circles being like, well, I'm unseen. I'm looking for my king that can see me. And I'm going to see I'm a queen, so I'm going to I've seen it. I heard it so much. It was like, really, like, we're all kings and queens, like that seems convenient. Like, I'm pretty sure that I'm just like a kid, like, My soul is just like this kid. I don't what's kind of like the king? Like, it's like our past lives, everyone's Cleopatra. Yeah, do I need to be a king like that seems like pretty lonely job. It seems like I'd rather be kind of a farmer, like, grow some food and hang out at night. I want to, I would like to run a pub, probably like that would be kind of random. I can see some other paths, other than having to be the king all the time. And so it's this weird projection that we have into that spiritual space that we would even call it a king, like, it's like, what we're really reaching for when we say king and queen, that I think could really clean up this Neo Spiritualism is a sovereignty. We know we are sovereign beings, and if we need to call that king and queen for now, I guess that's fine, like, who really cares? But I think it would feel like a relief to me if I if all these women weren't looking to me to be a king, and I wasn't looking to all these men to check if I'm a bigger King than them, you know, like, let's just put all that hierarchical regalness down and just realize I'm sovereign. I am unchanging. I have been a mountain, and I have been a star, and I have been a planet, and I have been a seedling sprouting out of new soil. I am a child in the womb of a mother. I am the mother with a child within my womb, I am, I am, I am, I am sovereign. Nothing you can do can change me, nothing I can experience can change me, but everything I experience can enrich me. And so we are very clear in a lot of religious texts and understandings that there is no free will, and then biologically, and then, let alone get into quantum physics, it's impossible that me as a single, little conscious fractal of the universe could suddenly decide to change directions as a free will agent. There's billions of interactions that are happening inside even just a single neuron, let alone the quantum entangled environment around me that would allow me to actually be a free agent here and like, decide alone that I'm gonna go do something

Alex Ferrari 47:56
Well, wouldn't you, though, with that said, though, like with free I'd love to dive into this a little bit with free will. At any moment, we can change our trajectory, our idea. And from what I've understood through my my talking to gurus and mystics and mediums and so on, is that we have free will and a free choice to kind of go off. And sometimes we go off the path that we're supposed to be on, the blueprint, if you will, if you want to go down this whole blueprint and that stuff that we chose to like, Hey, you were going to be a doctor, and you're going to go through all these experiences and get to where you're at. I came in from Florida, not from LA, but I came in from Florida to become a filmmaker, which is like, why would you do that to me? This is so impossible to get off the ground there. I did. I always said, like, if I was just born in LA, oh, my God, I would have just taken off right away, because it would have been in my system. So I was born that way, but I could go astray, and I have, and maybe I chose, maybe I perceived that I have. I opened up an olive oil store once, long story that would you regret that I I regret the the experience was more difficult than almost anything I've ever done prior. Great. So difficult, yes, so looking back, I wouldn't change it perfect. Looking back, I wouldn't, because it makes you, it makes me who I am, exactly it makes me who I am. So how? What an important easier. But the point is that I, I could have kept and I was about to continue to go if it wasn't for my wife, just like, No, we're stopping. Get back on the right road. So I went off the off the journey a little bit, but then came back. And from what I've heard, is the farther you go off the journey, those nudges, those sledgehammers, those to the point where sometimes you, like, get in your death experience, you have to die to stop you from where you were going to get you back on the path. What do you think of that theory?

Zach Bush 49:47
Oh, I think that's true. But I think what's not true is that there was a straight line that was drawn there that you were supposed to stay on. No, yeah. So I think, yeah. I think the wandering is designed, right, so, by nature.

Alex Ferrari 49:59
So, so I. Agree with you 100% from what I understand from my studies is that when you're doing the soul blueprint, your soul contract, there are mile markers laid out. How you get to those mile markers is completely up to you, but you will hit.

Zach Bush 50:13
You will hit these mile markers no matter what, and the wandering is necessary to make them as rich as they can be.

Alex Ferrari 50:19
I never really thought of the wandering.

Zach Bush 50:21
It's that Gandalf quote, all those that are lost or not, you know, all those that wander are not lost. That's a beautiful way of looking at it. You have to wander because there is not a straight line in the flow of the universe. Of course not. There's a straight line in nature. There's no straight line in nature because an expression of the feminine and the masculine is rigid, straight lines throughout the space time. And so the grid of the universe is is in witness to the flow through it. And so the masculine is not we often are told that it's holding space, and that's true. But I think the downside of that is we get the misperception that the masculine is protecting something the masculine cannot protect the male lion doesn't actually protect the pride. That's the females. Yeah, right. And so the females are the ones that actually know how to protect, and they do it through nurture rather than through war. And they'll lioness will kill something if it's coming to threat in her cubs, no problem. But the number of times she has to do that is zero. Really, I she doesn't have to kill anything, because she's the lioness, and they know everything else respects that reality of like, okay, Linus is there now she might, like, growl at them, just so that everybody can see how awesome she has. Because that's kind of fun.

Alex Ferrari 51:34
Like, sometimes you have to show some teeth

Zach Bush 51:37
Ripple that and muscle around the neck and do your little thing and flare. Because if you're a lion, don't you want to do that? I would want to feel that this is what it feels like. Step off bitches. Yeah, I think. And so we see nature posturing, and we see nature doing all this thing, but nature's not really killing each other. It's the predation that we see in nature is a gifting economy, and one soul is giving itself up to a higher experience as it goes through as a gazelle becomes the bloodstream of a lion, it's experiencing stacking geometries. And I've experienced this in nature deeply when I'm out in the ocean with this swimming alone and suddenly got surrounded by the most massive millions and millions and millions of sardines for 45 minutes, this shoal of sardines was around me, and then the pelicans hit, and I had so inter tangled my awareness of being sardine that when these pelicans hit, and were just exploding in the water, they come into the water so fast you can't actually see the pelican. You only see the explosion of bubbles that they create. And then you notice it's pelicans, because suddenly, up above you are a little Pelican, fleet feet. They're like, kind of floating around as they swallow the fish and and so that explosion, when I figured out it was pelicans, I went through a momentary experience of, like, oh my gosh, my friends, my sardine experience is being eaten. And I projected the human, you know, kind of trauma story, the predate, the killing of them, and in a millionth of seconds, sardines answered. And we're like, this is our elevation. This is our ascension. We are calling this in don't you? Project that on us? You know, this is, this is our ascension. This is us going into our higher selves. This is us going through the matrix of life. We are ascending. And so as I've gone through that, you find out years later, being with the white lions in in southern Africa, the same thing understood by the koi and the San people. After 100,000 years of witnessing those lions, no animals actually killing the other one animal is giving itself up to it, and there's the hunt, and there's the excitement of that for the lion, I suppose, and there's a kill, if you will. But it's not to kill. It is this gifting economy where the animal that's ready to go peels off from the rest of the herd every time like the you see this in the videos of like, Blue Earth, like, why did that? If the antelope had just stayed with the group, he wouldn't have been attacked. But he always, like, peels off, and then the Lions go chase that one, and the rest of the herd goes off, and that one, it tumbles down with lions and is, you know. And the lions mercifully, will kill that thing in a split second, you know. And so there's this gifting economy that's happening in all of nature. So that nature ascends. And anytime you put one of those keystone species in a wolf in Yellowstone, a white line in South Southern Africa, biodiversity explodes. Yeah. That's what happened with the soil improves. The rivers flow. More nature everywhere, more flora, more Fauci next door. If you put a human in at the top of the apex, everything goes into monoculture and is destroyed. The soils collapse, things collapse, and we can see this from space at the rewilded white lion territory. And it's very interesting, because the fence lines that then are around this rewilded territory have the same. Animals, same lion, same antelope, same zebra, same giraffe, same animals. But the Keystone, or the top of the species, are just American hunters that go over there and kill. And when American hunters go over there and kill, you think, well, that's just like the lion killing things. The results are the radical opposite. The soil goes and dies. The whole system collapses, because the energy of the system is one where we are no longer allowing the ascension of energy. We're we're driving the energy back down, rather than up. As a human that thinks it's separate from everything, we're not in right relationship. So we can't function as a keystone species right now. We are not a pathway for everything to ascend towards these higher orders of vibration. We collapse the vibration through our fear, guilt, shape and so a hunter who's over there to shoot something that's big so he can put it on his wall at home to make himself feel like he's achieved something they said he's the king, and to prove everybody's a bigger King, because you shot a deer, I shot a freaking lion, shot an elephant, I shot an elephant. You know, it's like ludicrous, and the vibration of that fear, guilt and shame that drives that wounded king can't help nature move upwards, and so we are going extinct because we stepped out of our right relationship as a keystone species. Nature can't flow through us right now, and this is what we see in the biohacking community. Just over at the godfather of the biohacking community that named it yesterday, and he took me straight into his kitchen, proud as a peacock, to show me his pantry of supplements. It is the most unbelievable situation you've ever seen. I mean, it's shelves after shelves after shells of bottles, of white plastic bottles with, you know, chemically derived nature. And I'm like, you take this every day. He's like, Well, actually, only take this section here, arm to arm. 152, 50 bottles in front of like, are you hungry anymore? He's like, no, no, I don't get much hungry because, you know, a couple 100 capsules a day, here and there. And I'm just like, that's where the king gets, gets himself to, is when you have so failed to trust nature that your demonstration of your power is, how much extraction of nature, are you controlling? Then we we have to go extinct. Nature can't play that game. It's a dead end for nature. And so the biology is dying within us. And so all of those nutrients that are being taken by biohackers all over the world can't actually ignite life. Humans are not chemistry problems. They're biology opportunities. To become a biologic opportunity, you have to step into right relationship with the energies that are below the surface of the biology. And those energies are a pathway of ascension. And what do you mean by the energies, the flow of life? You mentioned? There's no straight line in nature. What's happening is geometry of space, time is holding all of these complex sacred geometries through which flows energy. It's energy in the electromagnetic field. It's energy from nuclear fission, fusion events that we call the sun, chi energy. Chi energy, electromagnetic thermal from suns, from everything is energy. So energy is infinite and it's invisible and it's unstructured until it starts to flow through geometries. And that geometry can create a planet, it can create an asteroid belt, and it can create a black hole. And so it's the sacred geometry below the surface of the physical world, the biologic world, that is allowing for these stacking functions that more and more complexity within the system. It's inevitable. That's what the universe has been doing since its origin. We say it's 15 billion years of the existence of the universe, or whatever. That number keeps changing. But that, that 15 billion years, if that's even a relevant concept of time, but that that long, long journey of 1000s and 1000s of millions of years, nature is simply just upgrading the flow of energy through more and more complex geometries to create more and more complex iterations of herself. And so this is the flow of life. And so this is how we go through a massive extinction, 55 million years ago, with reptiles as the dominant species. To within a couple 100,000 years, we have blue whales in the oceans. We got dolphins going, and then with another couple 100,000 years, we had wild flowers instead of ferns and palms, we get deciduous trees. Suddenly, nature is iterating towards these higher and higher expressions, and death is the driver for the reinvention. And death always breeds more biodiversity, more intelligence. And so what we're seeing is Life is a concentration of light energy, and something like an oak tree does a really good job of concentrating energy. And so an oak tree, over its 80 year period will capture. Enormous amount of sunlight and turn it into long chain carbons that we would call a carbohydrate or a fatty acid, and put that down into the soil. Soil microbes are digesting that turn that into nutrients for life around it. And so that energy center that we would call an oak tree is concentrating light, which means it's an incredible generative opportunity. A single celled organism, like a bacteria, requires maybe 1000 times more light per cubic centimeter than the sun can produce. Biology is the brightest thing that happens in the universe. It's not suns sons are nuclear fission and fusion. Life is brighter by by logarithms. Multi Cell Life has to be a 10x improvement, again, of energy per cubic centimeter over single celled life. And so something like an oak tree as a multicellular organism. One cell knows how to be a bark, one cell knows how to be a root, one cell knows how to be a leaf. That miracle of coordination, of differentiation with an oak tree lives in 80 years, then it dies. It's only got maybe, like a few dozen genes. It's a very simple organism genetically, if you genetically sequence that tree trunk one year after its death, and it lies on the forest floor. It's 100,000 species with over a million genes.

That's what life is doing. Life is generating out of every time there's a concentration of light energy and it's released in death, it goes through a million different new pathways of ascending order to become more complex. Right now, humans happen to be given a birthright of the opportunity to be a keystone species. And I get to see farmers starting to step back into their right relationship with nature. They stop spraying chemicals, they stop plowing the soil up. They start trusting the earth to do something more intelligent, and they start to surrender their entire farm to be the womb of Mother Earth again, and she starts bringing forth such bounty. And I've seen farmers, in a single two year, three year period, be witness to an explosion of biodiversity on their land, and the rivers do start flowing again. And everything else, I've seen farmers become wolves. I've seen farmers become white lions. In their right relationship to the earth, they become an ascending pathway for the energies of the Earth around them to start to ascend again beautiful, you have to surrender your life that's within you and around you to the Divine to create through and if you will do that, then you're in right relationship. If you stop doing the farm, if you stop trying to produce, you know, 60 bushels of corn per acre. If you stop doing life, when we do it to the nature, we kill it, we bring a descending spiral into the natural system. And therefore we're going to create monocultures everywhere. That's just in South Africa, you've got 4 million acres of monoculture trees that have sucked the entire water table of South Africa out of the ground is now desertifying The whole country. There's no water to drink in Cape Town because they created millions of acres of monoculture eucalyptus and pine forests that are not natural, and those trees are sucking the water table out of a whole country that is the birth canal for the whole planet. If South Africa dies, the whole world dies in its genetic generation. And so we are that. That's what it looks like to step out of our Keystone relationship. And it's our path. This is our wander. Where, Why are we off the track? Well, if you say that we were born to be a keystone species, clearly we're off the track. We're taking ourselves into extinction. We've had a 70% decline in birth rates. You know, around the world we got United States is on an extinction pathway. Our birth rates 1.61 anything under 2.1 year, you're an extinction path. Every 10th below 2.1 you take another generation off, though we're a few generations out from extinction, Japan and China are already going extinct. So Asia is going extinct actively. We'll have 30 million empty residences in Tokyo alone by 2035 we are disappearing as a species actively. We're too caught up in our own story of too many humans, and climate change and global economies and tariffs, like, we're so distracted by the chaos of our collapse that we don't even realize how deep it is. We don't realize that the extinction is already unfolding. And we keep thinking like, well, it's in the future. We might have a problem. The problem was 50 years ago. The collapse is now. The future is the question in question and and really we just have this few moments left to step into right relationship with nature. And when we say stepping into right relationship, it's coming back into that keystone species. And how you do that, you got to turn your backyard back over to nature, stop with this weed spraying and the Kentucky blue grass and the white picket fence that is killing the planet. We have 40 million acres of grass in the backyards of houses in the United States alone, 40 million acres of Kentucky Blue Cross. It wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. What was there before was over a couple 100 species of grasses and deep, deep Savanna energies and. Seed banks that are still under there. If you would just stop doing Kentucky Bluegrass, it would come back. So stop doing the grass and the lawn and the thing, and let nature go there. And then you got to rewild your own self. You got to rewild your heart. You got to rewild your womb. You've got to rewild your mind. Let the weeds grow up for a moment. The weeds are bringing in biodiversity that then will remember the original seed bank and all of the riches and bounties that were you before, will come back. You will grow wild again. You can be a lion. You can be the gazelle jumping through the forest. You can be that tree frog singing through the night on a tree. You can be the owl that can see in the dark. You can become all of that, if you will allow yourself to re wild out of your own story of diminished relationship to nature, that divorce from nature is a fake story. You never were dropped by nature. She is holding you, and she's waiting for you to step in a right relationship, to become a keystone species.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:52
Beautifully said, Zach, beautifully said, I wanted to touch on something you said earlier when you brought up remote viewing, and that's, you know, when you start talking about remote viewing and psychic phenomenon, it is something that definitely goes against your medical training, for sure. Can you, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you You've obviously studied this. You've obviously seen a lot of it, probably a lot of what we're about to talk about in the indigenous cultures as well. What is your take on psychic phenomenon, on mediumship, on on those kind of things. I'm just curious from a scientific but you're a scientifically trained person, but you're obviously very deep in the spiritual and the esoteric as well.

Zach Bush 1:06:39
Yeah, there's this story of in the Judeo Christian literature that after the resurrection, Yeshua appears into this group of disciples, and the disciples fall on their feet or fall on their knees and are obviously struck dumb with this possibility that this human has come back from the grave and are having this experience, and immediately there's this beautiful experience and trust. But there's one of them that has to come and inspect the wounds in his wrist to make sure it's physically real and He wants to put his finger in the wound. That's me. I have a very hard time trusting something I haven't put my finger in. And I am sad about that, because the reason that is is because I don't know how to feel my body well, I don't know how to feel the truth as well as I should. And so because of that, over my lifetime, I've really needed to, like, put my finger in the wound of the biology to say, okay, it is real. It's there. I can't. And so somebody tells me their spiritual belief system or whatever, I'm like, Cool. Okay, let me check that. I'm gonna go stick my finger in the wounds. I'm gonna stick my finger everywhere, until I figure out if that fits the reality that I'm living in. And so the medium thing, I didn't believe at all, and I thought it was just a distraction to something to the truth for much of my early life, and then I started into this hospice work. And it was just happening too often that these people that were just recently departed were coming back to talk to their ancestors or talk to the people that were still living. And so it was starting to be like a daily or weekly thing where it's like, okay, I got to address this situation, and I need to stick my finger in this reality and, like, feel this thing. And so I started, you know, talking to mediums with more curiosity and all this, because, in particular, with what happened with a girl that died in my clinic. She died at age 12, and she had a horrible osteosarcoma, which is a tumor that's now become very common in children. Didn't when I started my medical training is early in early 1990s this did not happen in children, but today it's, unfortunately become extremely common. It used to be a cancer that we'd see in 80 year olds, but now our two year olds are somehow aging so fast due to our kind of collective biologic stress that they're exhibiting these cancers that didn't used to happen in children. She died at age 12, and it was a super intimate experience with her and her family in that last year, because she was exactly the same age as my daughter and had the same name as my daughter, and so I had this journey of me as a father, trying to imagine what, you know, and so I didn't have to imagine I was watching the experience of watching parents die with the same experience that I was having as a parent. And so it just made it very, very vivid, and in living color, vivid experience. I was walking into that death experience with those parents and that that young woman never wavered like she was so not once did she show us any fear, guilt, shame, any confusion. She knew she wasn't off her path like she knew she had hit. Hit the right note. You know, at her departure, you know, yeah. And within, you know, weeks of leaving, she reached through a medium that was out in California that didn't know the family didn't know anybody, didn't nobody had ever known this medium, but the child starts speaking through this thing. The medium calls the mother, and being like, your daughter just told me to reach out to you. She's trying to communicate with you. And so then I went on a two year journey with that medium and that family, and that was that was me sticking my finger in the wound and really feeling the physical reality of being on the other side of the veil, communicating directly with it. And her mother and I were both in such doubt that this was really happening, that we really pushed Alyssa to show us for sure. Are you we might be a matt? Is this a trick? You know, we were like, really bringing a lot of doubt and really fear, guilt, shame to the equation, and Alyssa just kept reaching through, kept reaching through, kept reaching through, and showing us, beyond a shadow of doubt, that she's right there, present, and she is speaking, you know, to us, and she can see us in the moment. She can see what color our shirts were. She could see the patterns that were on her mother's shirt and see the Disney character that was on the shirt like so specific. Wow. And so is those times that shattered my doubt, that shattered my and as I feel into the reality around us now, it's such a blessing that there is no end. Death is not an end. We all step into our right relationship with the divine those last couple breaths, and we look back on the wandering path of a life and be like sweet, I hit every single one of the nodes that our universe had me designed for. The Wandering is perfect, perfect because I experienced and then transmuted pain and suffering through each of those because I became human, and the human heart is uniquely equipped to transmute suffering into joy, pain and loss into unconditional love, and I did that through my journey. And if I haven't, if I didn't have the wandering path, I wouldn't have been able to heal so much, and I want to become an ascendant, you know, pathway for physics and energy to flow through. I wouldn't have been alive if I had just done a coming and tried to do a straight line. Nature doesn't do the straight line. Energy is in flow. And so the olive oil company was absolutely the necessary thing to get you to this point, for reasons that you and I could never figure out. We have no idea, but it's impossible that you got off the road. You've always been on the perfect path, because your path is actually the amalgamation of all of life ascending. You've got trillions of microbes that are speaking directly into your neurologic system to create a thought that's not a human thought you're having, that is an ecosystem thinking through you. We now know that there's billions of neurons that reach past the gut lining to communicate directly with the bacteria and fungi in your gut lining. And we now know that there's no generative center of information in the brain. It's a central processing unit. It's a CPU chip, just like sits on my phone, right? My phone will sit there for eons if you let it, and you keep it charged and everything else. It will never write a text message, right? It will never do anything. It will just sit there until somebody's fingers type on the keyboard. The brain can't come up with an idea. The brain will just sit there until somebody types some information into the keyboard. And the fingers on the keyboard of the human biology are not human. They are microbes, microbes in their constant iteration of life and their constant interconnectedness, or typing information into your neurology and your experiences having a human thought, but it can't be human because you aren't the fingers on the keyboard. And so when you think about, Do humans have free will? We can't even have a free thought, let alone take action on that thought that wouldn't be somehow the amalgamation of the intelligence and the creativity of all of nature within us.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:54
You we were talking before, before we came on about ancestral trauma that we have been going through. And specifically these last 100 years, we were talking about the Civil War, World War One and World War Two all happened within a 70 year period, 70 that's unheard of in the history of humanity. I mean, there's been wars, obviously,

Zach Bush 1:14:18
The scale of those wars packed together never happened, never happened.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:22
And then also during that 70 year period, we went from horse and buggies, you know, to AI, where we are now, like it's been so fast, even in our lifetime, it's so, I mean, the 70s a lot different than it is today, and that's 50 years ago. Yeah, it's not, it's not a lot in the scope of humanity's time split second. It's a split second. So everything's speeding up so much. But as far as the trauma that we went through these let's just say it from Civil War to now, but specifically those three wars, because we've had a few since then, what happened to our generation? Words that felt those and what is, how is that kind of rippling throughout history, or throughout, yeah, throughout history, to where we are right now?

Zach Bush 1:15:09
So there's two levels of that biologically, those those collective traumas, have put into motion our extinction through the biology of trauma and the way in which it's stored in DNA. And the parallel path to that, I would say, is a path of ascension, where it would it would have been impossible to generate the level of intelligence and creativity that this earth has produced in the last 100 years without all of the death. What happens when a human crosses the veil when the the soul lets go of the human crosses the veil is better way of saying that. So what? What happens there? Well, the Near Death Experiences are giving us a sense of that your your experiential awareness of the relationship of humans to that nature increases. And if there is no end and you immediately, as a soul, can reconnect to biology, and you can become the White Lion, or you can become the carrot, or you can become the Earth, the collective energy of souls being concentrated on this planet and dying and living and dying and living and dying living at this rate. I kind of doubt that the same 8 billion people that are here today are the same souls that are here a couple years from now, but there's probably some iteration in there. And whatever the souls are generating here is remembered in our water. It's remembered in the quantum entangled Earth itself. And so the faster we pump lives through here, it's a metabolic cycle. There's a metabolism too in the intelligence and consciousness of the universe as death, life, death, life, death. Life happens so on the energetic path all of these wars, all of the human birth and death, and birth and death is driving the speeding up of the metabolic intelligence of this planet and the species that are on it. I don't think we would have had cell phones and AI systems if we hadn't had three massive wars, I think we needed the level of death to create the level of birth of not just human flesh, but human ideas, human consciousness. I am shocked at the social consciousness that shifted from my grandfather's generation to my daughter and then to my grandson in those short few generations. My grandson is able to be him. He's able to express exactly who he is. His generation has let go of the need to express what gender they are, what sexuality they are. My generation spent all time, kind of time figuring out like, well, we're allowed to be this, and well, we're not that, but we're this. And so we were so busy characterizing things and making everything separate, and so eager to create the alphabet soup of sexual identity and gender identity like we did that as our generation. My children's generation came along, and they were taught that of like, well, you can be free to be LGBTQ. And they kind of tried that out, and I think that generation is now, like, Yeah, but what about like, all the things between an L and a B, like, why are we trying to, like, get it down to five letters? Like, maybe just that. Maybe we just have a billion souls that are expressing themselves through biology right now and then my grandson's generation, my grandson just started college, and I'm watching him churning away with his generation is there. They didn't get exposed in the same way to the alphabet soup that my kids generation and they've been welcomed into this much more fluid experience of just express yourself. And there's some great challenges in that, because without the framework the human mind can freak out, and so rates of depression, anxiety and all this can be quite high, I think, when you're losing the framework of the egoic mind, telling you you fit into this little tribe over here, so you're accepted when there's no more, you know, little tribes to fit into, and they're starting to be a human experience altogether that's nerve wracking, because you don't have the comfort of your little click. You know

Alex Ferrari 1:18:57
Is that because you're looking for for things outside of yourself. You're looking for the answers outside of yourself. You're looking for the framework outside of yourself. But the gurus and the in the saints and the Ascended Masters and the walking masters understand that that's all within you, and that's why they're unwavered Like they don't

Zach Bush 1:19:15
Stop looking outside yourself for your tribe. Yeah?

Alex Ferrari 1:19:18
The tribes inside you. We're all part of the central, yeah.

Zach Bush 1:19:22
And we're all sovereign, you know, and so that's, and I think that's the unique thing that we lose when we start to think about, you know, unity, consciousness and one world government. And we got to hold on to the duality of that and that the individual sovereignty of a soul is real. It is a fractal of the Divine that will never change, and it's not the same as the other souls. It's part of the same thing, but it's part of the same whole. But it as a fractal of it carries its unique signature that is known at the biology. My biology is different than yours because of the quantum entanglement with. My soul, I can take the blood out of an identical twin and put it into the other and the identical twin will react to that immediately and kill the blood. The identity is not in the genes. Identical twins are different because they've been imprinted with a different identity. And it's seen that the biology is different. See even the biology can sense the difference of the energy field, rather than the genetics. I find that quite amazing. Like wow, our immune system, these little, dumb antibodies that just float around, can sense the difference between that soul and that soul.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:33
That's pretty cool. And why do you think that the medical field, by biology, academia, they can't wrap their head around the soul. They can't because they can't stick their finger in it, as you so. Lovely example was that they sense that like no if it's not this, it doesn't exist. And then we find out through quantum physics and other things. Well, this doesn't exist. Yeah, this is actually not solid. It's a perception. It's a perception which then your head starts to hurt you start thinking about these things,

Zach Bush 1:21:12
And I think that's the answer. It just hurts your head to try to really put the human, human brain, and responsibility of understanding the universe is a lot, yeah. And so I don't think we can think our way into understanding the universe, but we can feel our way there.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:28
It's beautifully said, Yeah, I think. And the more I go down these roads, and the more I do my own studies in into this, in all of these fields, feeling is becoming much more important to me, then, then then mental and trying to

Zach Bush 1:21:43
Mental understanding, yeah, chasing after the win.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:45
Yeah, it's, you know, Yogananda said it so beautifully. He really never read books. He experienced everything. He tapped in directly to source. He tapped into the energy field of a Babaji, or these kind of they tap in and they it's like when a book is so limiting, when you could tap into the internet. Let's say the cloud is the universe, and being able to type into that source energy is so much more potent, and I feel that more and more now as I'm starting to medit, as I started to meditate more and go deeper into my meditations, into my own spiritual practices, I'm starting to feel things and understand things that I never understood before. Like you and I have a common friend, Robert Edward grant, who's a lovely man, but he can go off like hard and you just try and hold on tight for the right for the ride, but when I'm talking to Robert, we have a conversation, and I'm getting what he's taught. And I've said this to him, I go it's amazing to me that I'm talking to a polymath, and I failed math in high school, but yet I'm able to talk to you about these complex ideas, sitting down with you today, just I'm understanding what you're saying, but I didn't read that anywhere. I feel it. Does that make any sense?

Zach Bush 1:23:07
Yeah, I think that's exactly what I hope everybody walks away from, is, that's the genius of children, is they're feeling the reality. And so when your four year old is staring out the window and a car ride in the back and suddenly says, Mom, do you think it's possible that we're just inside the body of God,

Alex Ferrari 1:23:26
What?

Zach Bush 1:23:27
As a parent, you're just like, what? Excuse me, because I was just thinking about, like, lunch, what? What are you doing in the back seat? Like, what's going on already? Like, just like I was just frustrated about my bank account and you, are we? Is it possible that we're in the body of God? Yeah, that's, that's actually possible. Thank you for reorienting me. So that's where we come from, is complete connectivity. And the wisdom is at our fingertips, it's, it's everywhere, and so we are dialed into that Internet of Everything at every age. And so it's a learned capacity to forget everything. And so our education system is what we created for that. And so we created an education system to train people out of their knowingness, yes, and it starts at five years old. And now, unfortunately, it starts at two. People throw their kids into preschools at age two, and they're very pleased where their kid can, like do one plus one equals two, which isn't even true, is what Robert grant will tell you. And so, yeah, it's so they learn the wrong stuff to cover up the right stuff and break their relationship to the knowledge field, because there's no control of sovereign beings that know everything, and so systems that see themselves separate from nature, that need to consolidate wealth in the hopes of staving off some dangerous future where they don't have enough are going to have to train there and train all of the people. Tools to be programmed out of the knowingness and start to rely on education.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:06
My children are some of my great teachers. Annoying. Like I said, I'm 27 but it's fascinating to watch them interact with the world, and they'll look at certain things, and they'll say things. The other day they were we saw some friends from California, and they were coming in, very LA, very Hollywood, very that energy. I'm sure you understand what I'm and they, they, I mean, they grew up in LA, and they've been here for four years so but after they left, they turned to us and go, Yeah, that was a lot. I was like, What did you say? Yeah, they were a lot. And they do it like this, like the energy, there's a lot coming in. There was a lot coming in. I was like, wow. Like, you know, when I was that age, I was watching transform, just like, like, you know, kind of kind of thing. I wasn't having these kind of deep understandings of the world. They're this new generation coming in. They're just programmed differently than we were at the factory. I think they have a different understanding of everything, and they're not falling for the same stuff that you and I fell for. Yeah. Would you agree?

Zach Bush 1:26:29
Yeah, yeah. I think there's and this is the beauty of this failure of biology, you know. And so as we dial our metabolic capacity down, because we are burning out our soils, burning out our food system of nutrient density, we're literally Dimming the lights on humanity as a function of dimming the planet's metabolic capacity. So when we're talking about 4 billion pounds of glyphosate poured into our soils every year, what we're talking about is diminishing the life force of the planet. And so 4 billion pounds of an herbicide are being poured in. And I go every two years to the EPA, every time they have an open hearing and show them all the science of the fact that this, this chemical that you keep allowing your country to use at billions of pounds is is literally diminishing the life force within every child that will ever be born again. They don't change. So I've given up on that. Like I'll keep talking because I feel compelled to, but I've given up on the expectation that something's going to change, and so all we can do is speak our truth, speak the beauty that we see, tell people what we've stuck our finger in, just know is real the moment, and then say this is this is the case. This is what I'm my lived experience has all pointed back to this reality that we are taking ourselves to our knees biologically, so that we think more like children. Because if I don't have the energy to maintain the BS of an education system that trained me to know them, was nothing, and then give me lots of awards for how good I was at forgetting everything, then maybe we're on our right path. Maybe we just had to poison ourselves so severely that we can no longer make up the stories

Alex Ferrari 1:28:08
Is, um, is that why it does Europe have that? Is that allowed in Europe, that pesticide?

Zach Bush 1:28:13
Oh, yeah, it's everywhere. Every continent is using it. The first of the first country that will will actually be free of it will be Russia. Russia will be the very first or completely organic food system could be this year. Even they're really on track. They're doing great.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:26
Really. That's fascinating. Yeah, they just think that Russia is not the most forward thinking.

Zach Bush 1:28:32
Russia is always the most forward thinking. Really. They're the only generational thinking country. I would put Russia at the forefront of thinking longitudinally. They think long term, America is making decisions around four month decisions on our economy. Russia is thinking 400 years from now. The other countries that are doing that is Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. They are very rooted in family and ancestral patterns. South America, I don't think has to identify with either of those, but kind of inherently does this, you know, where it starts to understand generational impact and all of this, South America is really suffering at a deep level of relationship to North America. And so North America is draining the soul out of, you know, our entire hemisphere, very quickly, I think, and so I think South America suffers a deeper crisis of that remembrance of the multi generational thinking and long term thinking in their policies. But, but the Middle East and and Russia. You know, right up until the war, Ukraine was the best food system in the world. They were growing almost entirely organic. You know, wheat and Europe had decided to stop exporting it, or stop importing North America grains. Germany was the first to outlaw the importation of grains and other legumes from North America, because they realized that their diseases were going up every time they imported our food, and so they banned that and were only getting their food from Ukraine. I think that's. Wouldn't be too surprising if the Ukraine war was started in part to try to disrupt the economic advantage there. BlackRock and other US companies have gone in to buy up all the farmland of Ukraine now and are implementing chemical agriculture. And so there's a pattern that we can see around when the lion is no longer a king, and the lion is just killing things for the fear that they're going to run out. So we have an economy and an empire that's failing in the United States that makes us very dangerous, and we've been increasingly dangerous over the last 60 years as we've come to terms with the fact that we probably are destroying ourselves. And so that rabid animal in the stuck in the corner that has no way out is going to be more and more dangerous, and that's where the rabbit ate animal in the cage right now. That's why our politics look like they do. Is the last thing we have to do is lash out with tariffs and, you know, put militaries on the borders and do all this stuff like that's not. None of those signs are healthy, like that. That is the sign of an ailing and dying society. And we've seen it with every empire that's died. Has done the same things, the British Empire and the rest, you know, and all the way back to Persian Empire. And so we've done it over and over and over again. And the most dangerous point of any empire is it's in its death cycle. And so we've become extremely dangerous, as you know, international presence, as in, as a military body, as a secret service, and everything else. And it's, it's just human behavior playing itself out. It's not because the CIA is evil and all this. And that's the danger of, you know, politicians coming along and saying, Well, CIA is your problem and FDA is your problem. I'm going to sue all of them, and I'll make it right. I'm your white knight. And no, that's just a perpetuation of the same mentality of the problems outside of ourselves. We've got to start sovereignty again, and we will. There's going to be a small segment of society that will survive this collapse of empire, and we will have too low of a metabolic state as a planet to generate the next empire. And so that's interesting. Humans getting to this point can't generate the next Empire because we've so inter tangled our economies around abstract value systems, all of which are extracting in the life force out of the planet, right? And therefore they are all on an extinction path. And so it will be interesting, because we are going to get to this like last gasp of humanity, where it's like nobody's got the energy to go kill people.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:23
Is that going to be in our lifetimes? Yeah, you think it's going to happen?

Zach Bush 1:32:26
I mean, I could die at any point, so my life thing, but in in the life cycle of the next 50 years, we will see that for sure. I mean, we're only a few years away from this massive change, yeah, that's what it could happen by the end of this decade. Like it's that's upon us.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:40
It's well, if we look at the astrological if we look at the Yuga cycles, if we look at all of the things, the Vedic texts, all the all the ancient texts, all say it's it's now, it's now. This decade is going to be a hell of a run. Hell of a run. Yeah, you have spoken about, and I've never spoken anybody about this, and you've, you've brought it up in other shows vibrational and frequency connection to our body, the lower our vibration or our lower our frequency, the more unhealthy we are, the higher our vibration, the higher our frequency, the healthier we are, the more more The immune systems able to attack and and you don't get sick because of that. Can you kind of explain what you mean by because when you're talking about, Hey, man, my vibes are real low today. Like it sounds very 60s, very esoteric. Can you kind of bring it down to a grounded level of what you mean by vibration and frequency within the body?

Zach Bush 1:33:39
Yeah, we're the greatest technology this earth has ever created, by far. Our organism has things that we're able to generate, frequency wise, that no other species has done on this planet. And so we contribute to nature very beautifully. We are a keystone species, and we might be the most profound keystone species that has ever touched this planet, if we're in right relationship to nature, and we've been able to measure this in science through frequency, through vibration, and that is measured in plants, for example, through an electroencephalogram that we then hook up to a plant. So basically the same EEG that would monitor brain waves and the frequencies that are generated by neurons, we can put on a plant, and then we can show that if the human tells that plant, you are beautiful, I love you, the plant actually immediately responds to that with new growth factors in the root systems, sprouts new root fibrils, puts growth factors in. It grows faster, more healthy. The immune system works better. The immune system is not a battleground. The immune system is a method for interrelationships between species and so then suddenly has more relationships to other species. And that plant is now functioning as a wolf tree, which is a description of a tree that becomes a keystone species within the plant world. And so that tree, then, in being loved and being seen, will grow more vigorously and provide much more for the environment around it, and will increase the nutrient density and the life cycle. In the life force of the the whole forest floor. And so humans like, can you imagine you're an oak tree? Like, no oak tree has ever woken up being like, I don't think I was a regular oak tree yesterday. Like that birch tree was a lot sexier than me. I think, like, I wish I had that slender look of the Aspen over there, and I'm just fat oak over here. No, it's never, never done it. And so the oak is the oak is the oak is the oak. So you would think that nature is like so sovereign in its identity. What could a human possibly add? And we add because we have the ability to see that we're separate from the oak. And so in the perception that we're separate from the oak, we can see the Oaks beauty differently than the bird that's sitting in the oak that can't differentiate itself from the oak tree. It's just it's the element of the oak tree that sits in the nest, and so the bird can't do what a human can do for that tree. It is in our division of our perception of reality that allows us to donate something to nature that is necessary for its fullest expression. It needs to be seen by something that sees itself different than itself separate from so that the beauty can be fully seen in a new and different way. And when we tell it what we're seeing, it grows more vigorously. And so this is the beautiful thing about frequency from humans, is that it is a technology that works, and it works uniquely within the complexity of millions of species that are interacting on this planet. Species that aren't separate from nature benefit from our telling it. I see you. I love you. I'm grateful for your shade. I love laying underneath. I love seeing the sky through your branches. I love the way your leaves shimmer in the morning. I love the way dew forms on the tips of your leaves. I love the way that the birds open your respiratory pores when they sing in their song. In the morning, the human seeing all of that beauty invigorates nature to it do its beauty even more beautifully. And so this is what I mean by frequency of humans, and it's been measured very well in Faraday cages and everything else now. So Faraday cage is basically an electromagnetic shield that you can put over and any electrical equipment you can protect satellite imaging technology that needs to not be affected by incoming electromagnetic fields. It's basically a grounded wire net that creates a shield around something inside of it. And so they'll put a human inside of a Faraday cage, meaning they're isolating the electromagnetic generation of a human body. And then they have the human tell stories, tell me about when your grandmother did this, and so you engender a moment of love or joy, and they can monitor these frequencies that are coming out of the human body. You're super sexy if you just tell a human that, like these frequencies come out of it that are spectacular, high vibration. Now, I don't think you spend enough time with your father. And your father died alone in the nursing home in 2021 under covid, and he was alone. And that guilt, shame kicks in, and these low vibration frequencies come out of the human and when biology picks those up, you decrease the life force of plants around you. You decrease the life force of nature around you when you feel these low vibration things of fear, guilt, shame. And so the frequencies that we generate for the same reason that we generated the high frequency ones, we're separate from nature. Therefore we can see the beauty, the danger is we're separate from nature, therefore we have fear, guilt and shame. And so our very weakness is the result of the very same phenomenon that makes us our superpower. That's pretty true in everything like my strengths are my greatest weaknesses, yeah. And so that's how nature works as well. Your greatest strength is going to make you vulnerable to your greatest weaknesses. And ours happens to be the dichotomy between being able to see unconditional love and express that in unique way and experience fear, guilt and shame and our separation from everything. So vibration is real. High vibration increases. Then that keystone species effect, low vibration, you know, symptoms of of our separation from nature, our abandonment disorder, decrease the vitality.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:55
So then the food, food has plants have vibrations, obviously, and frequency. So the food that we're putting into our bodies have a frequency and a vibration. So if you have something that's a little bit on a higher level of frequency, so let's say something closer to nature, salads, foods, vegetables, things like that, that are alive and close, they have a higher frequency, as opposed to something super processed, super in a box, you know, something that has so many chemicals in it has a very low, low fright. So when you're ingesting those foods, your frequency is being adjusted accordingly. Because you're, if you're eating fast food all the time, which is devoid of a lot of nutrients, if at anything very little, your frequency is constantly going down, hence you're going to become sicker and so on. Is that makes sense.

Zach Bush 1:39:46
It's terrifying when you think about the current condition of our food system. And that reality because I stopped eating poultry for a long time back because my daughter wanted us to watch Food, Inc, back in 2000 that and that was the end of the. Meat for quite a while in my life, for 14 years, was strict vegan. I taught plant based nutrition, which isn't strictly vegan, but it's more a sense of like we got to make the plants the foundation of everything here, because they're carrying so much life force within them that's so much closer to their origin than something like a piece of process, something or piece of meat that was processed through a high intensity feedlot. But if you look at the production of poultry right now, it's a good example of what you just said. If you close your eyes and imagine being born a bird, in this case, maybe you're a hen, you're a chicken, you've got wings and you've got feathers, and you're beautiful, and you've got this sense of the constant provision of nature, and nature provides tiny, little seeds and insects and all kinds of things that your eyes are uniquely capable of seeing. And when you walk through a yard of Earth, and you walk through that nature, you're instantly struck by just the abundance around you. And so you Peck all day long, consuming the abundance of nature. And through you, you process so much nutrient that you're seeding back into the earth around you, the next potential of life. And so your presence increases the diversity of seeds that are being born in the soils around you. You will create a more verdant grassland for the cycle of seeds and nutrients through you and passes through the body. And then you lay eggs, which is the potential for new life. And you do this on a daily basis. What if every three days, or every one day, you were putting out another potential of a completely new life? What a beautiful existence. And then humans come along and decide that you're a good source of protein, and so they put you in a cage in which you can't ever walk you will never actually take a step in your life. You'll be born and you will be mechanically put through a large machine that stamps you and chops your beak off and then puts you in a cage that you can't turn around in, and will feed you some form of a genetically modified, you know, grain or or legume mix that puts a very small amount of nutrient into your body, such that your immune system will be failing immediately over the six weeks of your life. As a boiler chicken, you'll be butchered at six weeks if you survive to it, but 1/3 of the flock has already died of invasive bacterial infections by six weeks because your immune system is completely shocked. The microbiome was wiped out by the antibiotics that are put into the feed, and there's stacks and stacks of cages above you that are in the chickens above you are shitting on your head, and there's urine and there's feces everywhere, and your eggs are covered with crap, and you're all you know is separation from nature. All you know is this hopeless state of this couldn't have been my path. This couldn't be a divine experience, whatever. This is a living hell that I've stepped into. And in my stress as that chicken I'm putting into my DNA, I'm expressing my DNA in the most extreme state of hopelessness. And so all my DNA is in fight or flight from the moment I'm born to the moment I'm butchered six weeks later, and my whole experience is just whore and and then that ends up on a menu that says chicken salad. And the woman says, Oh, I'll take the chicken salad that sounds healthy. And moments later, she's got in her mouth the meat of a bird that only knew whore. And within minutes, the micro RNA that was carried in that meat is now carried in her bloodstream and is interacting with her DNA to change the genetic expression of her human genome. And we now know that the micro RNA from our food can account for as much as five to 10% of our total microarray in our bloodstream just half an hour after a meal, and so that five to 10% of our genome that's now absorbing this information, and then for reasons she can't understand, that woman goes into a massive panic attack as she's driving to her kids school an hour and a half later, and she knows this overwhelming sense of impending doom. If you read the DSM four of a panic attack, that's the number one most reported sentence out of a human's mouth is I suddenly experienced a sense of impending doom. I mean, that's a pretty intense sentence, and it's weird that it was so common that it is on the top of the list of the DSM four psychiatric diagnostic handbook, I suddenly was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom.

Alex Ferrari 1:44:28
Generally, they're not eating salads all the all the day, all day, generally.

Zach Bush 1:44:32
Well, the fact is, a lot of us are eating food that went through that horror every day, and we are having panic attacks at a rate that's never been seen before.

Alex Ferrari 1:44:42
There weren't panic attacks in the 1800s that wasn't how

Zach Bush 1:44:45
They may have been, but they were rare. And so it took it was rare, and so I didn't grow up with children that had depression, anxiety disorders. We just didn't have that lexicon. Now you talk to any middle school group. And they've all been diagnosed with anxiety disorders, sleep disorders, chronic pain syndromes, chronic fatigue syndromes. And if you ask any of them, do you ever have a sense of impending doom? You're going to get a high percentage of 12, 13, year olds that say yes, on a daily basis, I get that feeling. I don't think I'm going to survive here. I don't think this is survivable. I think you know. So they're having this daily experience, and they are living the utter stress of a food system that has no hope and has impending doom upon it.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:30
Have you? Have you heard of the concepts of grounding? Yeah, what is your take on grounding? I've been doing it for a while now, and I sleep so much better.

Zach Bush 1:45:42
So much better. Yeah, yeah. I started using about 2010 or something like that my clinic. So the last 15 years, I've seen it work wonders in all kinds of situations. But yeah, they know it's instantaneous. As soon as you ground the body, all kinds of good things happen. So I was using grounding, mass grounding sheets on the beds, so that people would at least get eight hours of grounding in because I couldn't get them to go barefoot in the garden during the day. I'm like, Oh, that's right, this is convenient, because I'm going to ground you all night long. And when you ground a body, the word grounding means connecting you to a flow of electrons. And so the whole surface of the Earth is covered in a blanket of electrons. And when you touch the earth with bare feet, or you put your hand on the soil, as you can go weed the garden the moment you touch the weed or the soil or anything that's conductive, a sidewalk works really good. Even beaches are the best. And so you go touch nature for a moment, you're immediately connected to an electrical blanket, an electrical supply of electrons that literally covers the entire surface of the earth. And at the moment you touch that, you those electrons rush to the positive charges inside your body to neutralize the the acid, or the positive charge that accumulates in a body that's inflamed. So inflammation and disease is positive charge, health is negative charge. And so when we talk about grounding a body, you're talking about reconnecting yourself to the life force of the earth and not expecting your body to produce all of your electrons, mitochondria that turn away to break up the carbohydrates and fats in your diet into energy, will create an electron flow. And so if you are not walking barefoot and you are isolated from Earth, you're dependent on your own genitive engine to create the electrons to fight inflammation disease, if you will purchase the earth now you have a generative engine that's 25,000 miles in circumference that's making electrons for your body. And so grounding is a no brainer. We need to do it. And you know, I often will forget this until I'm like, kind of bonking on my travels, and I'm like, oh, I need to get my shoes off as soon as I get off the plane, and I need to walk in grass just for a few minutes. And immediately it cracks your jet lag and it corrects the inflammation you've accumulated and all that it's it's ludicrous that I'm not walking around grounded all the time. Is ludicrous that I tolerate sleeping in beds that aren't grounded, because I know it works so well.

Alex Ferrari 1:47:54
I take it with me everywhere. Now I take my mats with me everywhere. And the Connect you connect on your feet and arms, and it's just like, sit at your desk. I'm grounded all day when I'm I'm sitting at a desk, it's really and when you use the right products, because sometimes you get those cheap knock offs. And I did that originally didn't work, and I actually got, you know, Clint, right? That guy, yeah, Clint. So when I got one of his, I sat there and I went to bed. I was like, and I'm having a lot of trouble sleeping. And I was like, you just can't you get up like you like, it's such a deep sleep that you're just like, Oh God, I just,

Zach Bush 1:48:28
I gotta go come up out of the water and find Earth again. Yeah, right.

Alex Ferrari 1:48:32
As opposed to this light, light thing that you have without it, it's, it's mind boggling. It's mind boggling to hear that Zach, I can keep talking to you for at least another four hours, brother, this has been so fascinating. I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Zach Bush 1:48:52
Presence. It's unbelievable how much time can be experienced when you become really present. And if you want to live long, I would say, Stop biohacking and start sitting under trees, because you'll, you can live a lifetime under a tree for an hour, and you'll experience so much as you reconnect to the knowingness of everything. So a life well lived is a life that experiences one present moment or the next.

Alex Ferrari 1:49:16
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Zach, what advice would you give him?

Zach Bush 1:49:20
You're not alone.

Alex Ferrari 1:49:21
If you if what would little Zach tell you? What advice would he give you?

Zach Bush 1:49:26
Stop thinking, feel more beautiful.

Alex Ferrari 1:49:30
How do you define God or Source?

Zach Bush 1:49:32
Still point in the universe.

Alex Ferrari 1:49:34
What is love?

Zach Bush 1:49:34
The electromagnetic frequency that's generated by human body when it sees beauty.

Alex Ferrari 1:49:39
That's a great answer. I haven't had that one before. If you could ask, God one question, what would it be?

Zach Bush 1:49:44
Can you show me my beauty?

Alex Ferrari 1:49:46
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Zach Bush 1:49:48
To see the beauty,

Alex Ferrari 1:49:50
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you do in the world man?

Zach Bush 1:49:53
I would say probably go out and dig a hole in the garden and plant a tree seed, and you'll find me there. And. If you if you want a more three dimensional experience, you can go to zachbushmd.com and I've got a bunch of free education and it's kind of a portal into all the other projects that I'm doing there. We have a great joy of doing these immersive experiences right now, where we're putting groups of people into seven day experiences of complete embodiment of of the moment and remembering your original design from the womb. And so putting people in a womb state for seven days at a time has shown itself to be an extremely rewarding and awe inspiring thing to witness. And so that's something you all be welcome to experience the soil product that nature has been showing us again and again, the power of connecting human biology back to these original soil systems and original intelligence within the earth. That's called the intelligenceofnature.com. Take a look at that science there. We've peer reviewed a lot of science around how Earth reverses these wounds that we've been talking about nature's never allowed an injury that she didn't have a solution for. And so you can take a look at intelligence nature under the Science page there and see that, see the deeper truth on what's actually happening when we call gluten sensitivity, that it's actually glyphosate poisoning, and we show you the mechanisms by which glyphosate disrupts the gut lining and creates these immune reactions that then gives us the belief that we have intolerance to food. We actually just have intolerance to chemicals. The corn and the soybean may be genetically modified to be Roundup Ready, but your biology is not

Alex Ferrari 1:51:29
And that is why people with gluten allergies or have celiac can eat bread. Sometimes in Europe or in other countries, go to Russia and the bread is completely different. There, different there. In fact, do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Zach Bush 1:51:45
I love you. I'm so grateful. I'm amazed to be human right now. I think I just feel very, very fortunate today to have been embodied again today. I mean, the universe conspired to allow me to live again today. I have no free will to live tomorrow. But if another day of life comes to me to share another meal with all of you, I feel very grateful.

Alex Ferrari 1:52:09
Zach, you are like a monk, a spiritual monk dancing inside of a doctor's body. It's beautiful. Man, it is such a beautiful you have such a beautiful energy to you and your point of views on things, and you mean, like you were saying, The path has been perfect for you. If you wouldn't have gone down the paths of academia and all the things, you wouldn't be able to be doing the work you're doing today, I wouldn't be me exactly, man. So I want to give back a second one, brother. I appreciate you so much. I look forward to our next conversation, and thank you for helping awaken this planet, my friend. So I appreciate you.

Zach Bush 1:52:50
I'm ready for the Next Level Soul.