The Great Alignment: Astrology and Humanity’s Future with Pam Gregory

Pam Gregory 0:00
And we're smack right in the middle of it. Yeah, we're in it. We're in the mush of the chrysalis, and it's a one way process. You can't stuff the butterfly back into the chrysalis. Goes one way. You can't stuff it back to the caterpillar either. It's one way. And we are in it, and that's why our choices right now are more important than ever. So if you're all you know watching nightly news and you're in fear and horror, they get you know, awful, awful, awful stuff happening in the world. But if you keep on repeating those feelings, that's what you're creating with. Those are your ingredients in frequency and emotional terms that you're creating your tomorrows with. And that's not great. These three years are a concentrated period of accelerated evolution, but broadly at the moment, I think they're, they're two obvious collective timelines moving forward, and you choose which one you're on, depending on your frequency. And only you choose your frequency, nobody, nobody chooses it for you.

Alex Ferrari 1:17
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you. Please, like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Pam Gregory, how you doing Pam?

Pam Gregory 1:42
Yeah, really well, great to connect with you again Alex, thank you for inviting me.

Alex Ferrari 1:46
Thank you so much for coming back. It was our last conversation. A few people watched our last conversation. They really seem to enjoy our interaction and your take on astrology and what's happening in the world, and all of that is such a it's it's beautiful, it's hopeful, it's real, it's raw, it's truthful, it's all of it, because it's what it is. It's kind of like, you know, people always like to label things good or bad, but the ocean, it's neither good nor bad. It's just is. It can't create amazing things, and it could also create negative things. That's nature, that's the universe, and astrology is no different. It just like, hey, man, it's kind of what's happening, whether you like it or not, it's going to happen.

Pam Gregory 2:35
It's a language. It's just a language. You know, it's not a belief, it's not a religion, it's not a philosophy, it's a language. So when people say to me, you don't really believe in astrology, do you I say, well, that's not saying you don't believe in French do you?

Alex Ferrari 2:48
Right! And it's almost a science, essentially, it's something that is couldn't be repeatable again and again and again. And since I've had the pleasure of speaking to multiple astrologers from multiple kind of vintages, if you will, meaning like the different paths. You know, you come from one path. I had a Vedic Astrologer on. I had, you know, all this, it all is the same. That's what I found so fascinating. Every one of them said, Oh yeah, we're just flavoring it differently, but it's all the same stars. It's all the same information. It's just a different approach to the exact same thing. Isn't that? Is that true? In your opinion?

Pam Gregory 3:28
It is absolutely. I mean, the Vedic system is really based on the stars, and the Tropical Western system, which I use, is based on the seasons. It's anchored into the seasons. And so that's what I practice and have done, you know, for a very long time. I mean, that they're all accurate. Otherwise I would have given up as a bad job quite some decades ago. They're all accurate. But essentially, whether it's Vedic or Tropical Western, you're using the same mythology, essentially, and you're using the same geometry,

Alex Ferrari 3:57
Right, exactly. And even the ancients, ancient Greeks, the Mayans. Some of the, you know, some of the Mayans are some of the greatest astrologers of of all,

Pam Gregory 4:08
They had observatories on the top of their pyramid.

Alex Ferrari 4:10
And we found, I found, when I was in in the Yucatan, when I went to go see Chichen Itza, I kept asking this to tour guide, what are those circles on the ground? And they'll go, oh, that's where they would fill it with water so they could see the sky, because they didn't have mirrors at the time, and instead of having this all the time, isn't that amazing?

Pam Gregory 4:33
Yeah, it's absolutely brilliant. I remember visiting Chichen Itza and some of the other Mexican sites when I was 19 years old, on a local bus with all the Mexican, you know, their chickens and hens and, you know, all kinds of things. And you didn't even have to buy a ticket, then you just wandered in and wandered around. It was it really they were still kind of digging it out of the jungle. I mean, it's a long time ago, but it was just magical. Because there was just nobody there. It was amazing.

Alex Ferrari 5:02
That must have been amazing so you didn't have guys trying to sell you trinkets and tourist trappy things,

Pam Gregory 5:09
Just just me and the Mexican peasants and farmers and, yeah, it was, it was fabulous. Actually, I loved it.

Alex Ferrari 5:14
Oh, beautiful. So let me ask you, which upcoming planetary alignments Do you see the most influential for humanity in this year? Because things seem to get going, you know, interesting. It's definitely an interesting time to be alive. It's colorful. You know, there is a lot of, and I don't make to make light of it. There is a lot of wars and a lot of things going on, a lot of pain, but there is also a lot of optimism and a lot of things, and a lot of things shaking the world up. AI is one of those things that's just shaking the entire planet up. What do you think?

Pam Gregory 5:48
Yeah, there's a very I've been talking about this about the last year, Alex, because there's a very specific and unique configuration in the heavens right now that astrologers believe. Well, certainly nobody's contradicted me that it is completely unique. And a part of it a Saturn Neptune conjunction, which happens reliably every 36 years, but it's currently at zero of Aries. That's the very first degree with the Zodiac, the creator degree. It's like pure potentiality. That bit of the configuration hasn't happened. And I want to credit my good friend Heather ends with with this. She discovered it last happened at zero Aries in 4361 BC, so it's almost 6000 years ago. That bit happened, but it's plugged into a couple of other bits of geometry. I wonder if I've even got a yeah, let me show you. This is primitive. Okay, this is primitive, but I'm just, it's lucky. I heard this. Can you see that?

Alex Ferrari 6:47
It's, it's fairly, it's fairly primitive. Yes, I love it!

Pam Gregory 6:50
Very primitive, okay, but I, I was just drawing it to explain it to somebody. So here you've got the planet Pluto, which has a 248, year cycle. Here you have the planet Uranus, with an 84 year cycle. And also the dwarf planet Sedna with an 11,400 year cycle. Down here you have Saturn Neptune. This is at zero varies. So this is 60 degree angle, geometrically, 60 degrees exactly at the midpoint of these two. So that's 120 degrees. So they all have different orbital periods. Okay, so Saturn's 29 and a half years, Uranus, 84 years, Neptune, 165 years. Pluto, 248, years. And it is remarkable point one, that they are all moving into different signs within an 18 month period of November 24 till April 26 I mean, that's incredible, mathematically and astronomically. But on top of that, that this particular configuration is taking place because that is really unique, so that, you know, they're two very and because they're all moving at different speeds as well. So this, this configuration holds through 2027 so 2526 27 and then starts to break up, which is why I've been talking about these three years. You asked me the question about 25 but it's really 25 26 27 that this is dominating our astrology and our world, and this, you know, I've talked about this quite a lot, but I really see this as the birth of the new human, as does Lee Harris, as does Richard Rudd, as do you know many other people, Kelly colony, I mean, Nancy Rebecca, many, many people are saying this particular convergence of time and then many things, other things that feed into this, like the end of Kali Yuga, you know, the end of the processional cycle, etc, etc, the Hopi myths, the Mayan prophecies, the queero prophecies, it's all feeding in to this very specific three year window. That's what's so amazing. And we're smacked right in the middle of it. Yeah, we're in it. We're in the mush of the chrysalis. And it's a one way process. You can't stuff the butterfly back into the chrysalis. It goes one way. You can't stuff it back to the caterpillar either. It's one way. And we are in it, and that's why our choices right now are more important than ever because we're starting to put the paint on the blank canvas, which we've never lived before. We've never done this before. We've never ascended in our physicality before. We got close in Atlantis, but messed it up. So here we go again, another 12,000 year cycle to have another go, and we are beyond the tipping point, I believe, with all the the amazingly gifted people I speak to, so you know, we're doing really well. In fact, we're doing ahead of expectation. But we have to be super careful not to get dragged into the drama, the distraction, the crazies, the. Because we are creating from the energy that we are feeling internally and broadcasting externally. So if you are all you know, watching nightly news and you're in fear and the horror that get, you know, awful, awful, awful stuff happening in the world, but if you keep on repeating those feelings, that's what you're creating with. Those are your ingredients in frequency and emotional terms that you're creating your tomorrows with, and that's not great.

Alex Ferrari 10:26
So Pam, let me ask you, because this is something that people don't talk about as much, because it's we're talking about 10s of 1000s of years the cycles of humanity. Everything in humanity is cyclical. Everything in this universe is cyclical in this in the third dimension, correct? So astrology is that language that tells us, Hey, this is what's going to happen. This is the energy. This is the thing you were mentioning, Atlantis, and we screwed it up. But before Atlantis, there was another cycle, and before that, there was another cycle, and things that we might not even remember, because technically, we've been around for, they say, quarter of a million years, or something like that. So that's a lot of time for the species to be going through cycles. The cycle we're going through now is, according to what I understand from the gift of people I've spoken to, is we are at a point that we've never been at before, a high point. But this will pass, not in your lifetime, not in my lifetime, not in my kids, or in many other kids, but we will eventually get to a high point of enlightenment again, and then the the energy of this of the universe shifts, and we will start going back down again, forgetting it, because it's all cycles. But the difference is, we're not going to go back down as low as we once were. Will be a little higher and then higher. And so it's going to be a circle that keeps going higher higher, until we get to our low point. Is enlightenment, and then the game is over. Is that make sense?

Pam Gregory 11:59
Yeah. I mean, it absolutely always has Alex, it absolutely always has my sense, and it's just my own opinion informed by other much cleverer people than me. My sense is that we, we may have left the tram tracks, that we have the opportunity right now because of the the incredible amount of light coming in. We are at a state of consciousness where we can embody more of that light. And therefore we are developing and all of us are doing this to some extent, more psychic sensitivity, more healing ability, more telepathy. And that gives us the opportunity to break out of the hamster wheel, the repeating cycles. If humanity gets this right, we can break and I believe we're already breaking out of that hamster wheel to a much, much higher level than we've ever existed at. That's why I bang on endlessly about take a note of your state of being. Take a note of your frequency, because those are your ingredients. If we can really get we live from the inside out, and it affects all of our reality, we'll be a long way down the road. Because even with astrology, I don't want people to give away their power to the planets. I don't want people to give away their power to me. Because, you know, it's interesting, Alex, that people come to astrologists to say, tell me what the planets are doing to me, or tell me what's going to happen? Well, I don't use astrology in such a firm predictive event type focus, because the individual consciousness and the collective consciousness are weaving with the astrological energy. So I'd say astrology is about half the picture. The rest of it is our collective consciousness. So that's very empowering.

Alex Ferrari 13:46
So if I'm a cancer on Sunday and it says, Don't go out because bad things are going to happen to you, that's not really something I should follow.

Pam Gregory 13:53
I would never say that in a million years to anybody, ever.

Alex Ferrari 13:59
And I say that jokingly, because that's the difference between the horoscopes in a newspaper, that's how old I am, yes, or versus what the work that you do, and many other you know, high level or experience astrologers do. It's a more, broader stroke kind of thing. Yeah, so, so that's my next question, how can, how does the the stars and astrology kind of mix with humanity's free will to be able to do whatever it wants?

Pam Gregory 14:33
Yeah, that's really interesting, because your individual birth chart is, you know, is unique to you. It's very special. And therefore that says, everybody is special. You know, everybody has particular challenges and gifts, etc. So the analogy I've always used in my work is that is your sheet of music. So the pattern is set, but you can either play that with a couple of tin spoons, or you can play it with a London Philharmonic. You. Can have a big life, magnificent life, helping lots of people, or you can butcher it. It's your choice. So the free will comes in and how you play the music. That's how free will and the more informed you are about the astrological language. You know, if, if you watch the weather forecast, that gives you more choice, not less, because you know what the prevailing weather is going to be, and you decide, Shall I stay in till the rain is clear? Get my umbrella and my rubber wear and you know and brave it. It gives you it opens up your choice because you're better informed. So astrology doesn't reduce your free will and your choice, it increases it because you've now got useful information.

Alex Ferrari 15:42
Well, it's kind of the rules of the game, essentially. That's, that's the game. You've decided to step into this game. These are the rules of the game. You're going to play Monopoly, great, but you can't play Monopoly with the rules of UNO. It doesn't work, right? Just not going to happen. And that's where people get lost, like, you know, you I came in as a male, Latino male in the 1970s very different experience than a Latino male in the 1670s in the same area that I was born in, in South Florida. Very different experience. You know, you were born a woman in England, Dutch that that is the nature, that is the rules of your game. Now, how you play it is up to you completely, as much as I might want to be a wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins, it's probably not going to happen, because that's not the rule of the game that I was given. I didn't I wasn't given that, that skill set, that the physical tools to do so, but I was given other things, you know, you say I could podcast. That's one of the things, weirdly enough, that I could, you know, have a conversation with people. And you are, you have an affinity for astrology, that is how you decide to walk down this path. So I just, I wanted to kind of put that out there for people to really, kind of get, you know, because people get caught with the whole Free Will thing, like, I don't have anything telling me what to do. And I have, you know, especially Americans, we are very you know, that's who we are. Yeah, no one will tell us what to do. We will do whatever we want in America. But, and I say that with all the love in the world for all the Americans watching, but, but a lot of people do get caught up in that whole Free Will thing and that they ignore astrology, or they ignore even a psychic medium or a channeler's advice, because you're like, you're not going to dictate what's going to happen in my life, but I love your what you said, it's a weather forecast. You you could put on a coat and an umbrella because, you know, it's going to rain, but it's going to rain regardless whether you like it or not.

Pam Gregory 17:36
Yeah, yeah. There's certain parameters. You know, I wasn't going to be an Olympic athlete. That was quite clear, but I can do that. So, so what the chart does, it's really helpful in directing you to your gifts. And actually, I don't do client work anymore. I've got no time. But in the past, I've often done the charts of very you know, say, four children in the same family, and they're all completely different, and their skills, one may be really musical, another one athletic, another one mathematical. And if you can let the parents know that early on in the game, they can help those gifts come to blossom, perhaps in a fuller way than they otherwise would if they didn't have that information. And there's another level to this as well, Alex, because I love to use astrology strategically so, so each planet has different symbolism. So say you've got some beautiful Jupiter transits coming up. I would encourage someone to play their luck, to travel more, to take on a study course, maybe to do some broadcasting or writing, you know, because it's very favorable for that. If it was a Saturn transit coming up, you've got to keep your nose to the grind stone much more, or you will do well strategically, if you work hard, and you get to the end of that project, and then you, you know, you get your reward. Well, Uranus is completely different. It's, you know, you're encouraged to be a maverick, to kick against the rules to say, you know, I'm not doing this, and, yeah, I'm leaving work early, etc, etc. But if you live your Saturn transit as if you're having a Uranus transit, and you're so you're being encouraged to work hard, and you just bunk off doing this, it won't work. Well. It'll backfire. More likely, if you're you've got a Uranus transit, which is encouraging, encouraging you to break the rules. Be be a maverick, be more creative, but you keep your head to the grindstone, and you know, just follow what the boss says. You'll miss a lot of creative opportunities. So the transits don't dictate to you. They encourage you in a certain direction, and if you understand the language, you can use them strategically to optimize your game. Essentially, it does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 19:46
It makes Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense. You were mentioning that these next three years are so pivotal, so pivotal. And everybody I speak to talks about 2027 that number keeps coming out. Not 28 not 26 2920 27 and it's this thing that, what do you believe is going to happen for humanity during that time? Because I've heard many things as far as shifts are concerned. You know, is it going to be something that's going to be so bad meaning, like a World War or something like that, that we all as a collective go? No, no, no, no no, we're not going down that road? Do we have to go that, or something so amazing that, you know, I don't believe that, you know, Christ is coming back, or anything like that. But there has been talk of other things happening for humanity, opening up doors that were never open to us before, maybe making connections with other things out there in the universe that we haven't had connections with before. What is your feeling on that?

Pam Gregory 20:42
Yeah, I think it's, I think it's spot on. I mean, I would actually put it as these three years, but, but Ra, who was really the inspiration for human design, he said there would be an A new genetic human by 2027 or the end, I think it's the end of 2027 he was looking at 17 year 17,000 year cycles. Richard Rudd in his gene keys work. And you know, gee, you know him well, Gene keys. 55 is his, the most important gene key. And he said that this year, on January the 30th, this year, that in his system, which I don't understand, Pluto entered gate 41 he said in the conversation, it's on my channel. And he said that would trigger the activation of an amino acid called methionine, which stimulates DNA, and that would be the genetic mutation and upgrade of all species on Earth beginning. January just passed, and that you know that chrysalis period, that metamorphosis would continue until 2027 and that's when he sees the dragon fly, really taking off. Now I'm talking to other people like the lovely Kelly Kolodny. She with her channeling of Archangel Raphael. Archangel Raphael said that on the Ares Equinox this year, 21st of March, we began the gestation of the new galactic human, and that will be birthed on the 21st of December this year. Now I don't think he's just he she. Archangel Raphael is talking about babies. I think he's talking about people like, you know, adults that are changing their biology. And he's talking quite a lot about that. Tomorrow night, I'm talking to Dr David Clements. He was a very clever theoretical physicist, as was, and now, you know, chats with the higher low hymn. And he is talking about the effect that this new cosmic light and energy is having on repairing the telomeres. Now, the telomeres are responsible for healthy cell replication, and therefore, potentially, I haven't had the conversation with them yet as tomorrow night, but potentially we're going to be able to live longer and healthier lives. It's going to repair damage, DNA damage, etc, so we can reproduce healthier cells. So whether you're talking about the very end of 25 or whether you're talking about the end of 27 this is a tiny window of time when you're looking millennia, you know, hundreds of 1000s. I mean, it's a, you know, we're all in the same ballpark here. The astrology is most exact next July, July 18. This, this what I've been showing you. This comes to the most exact geometry on July 18 next year. So we'll feel all of, I mean, we're in it now, because it's, it's already operational now, and so we are in this ballpark. So it doesn't really matter if you're going to, you know, Stake your bet on end of 25 you're gonna Stake your bet on the end of 20 so, you know, these are, these are whispers of time, aren't they, in the grand scheme of things,

Alex Ferrari 23:49
Oh, it's not even a blink. It's not even a quarter of a blink. It's, it's, it's so, so fast. So essentially, the time we're in is that time when the oceans water retreat backwards from the shore, you know, there's a tidal wave coming. That's the danger. And it's kind of stacked that moment. Now the water is starting to come back, and then there is going to be something that's going to come. And I don't say that in a negative way. I'm just saying there's an energy coming. There's something shifting, very largely, coming in these next two, three years.

Pam Gregory 24:20
Yeah, yeah. And just, and just before we leave that that point, I just want to be really clear, Alex, just before we leave that point, I'm, I'm saying, from my humble point of view as an astrologer, these three years are a concentrated period of accelerated evolution. I'm not saying it's a done deal. By the end of 27 and we're all going to be angels, not saying that, you know, because our evolution will go on and on and on and on. You know, wish that were true, but, but it is a particularly concentrated and accelerated period of evolution. That is what I'm seeing, and that's what I'm hearing other people say. So, yeah, so you're talking about the major Earth changes. Yep, seismic activity has definitely ticked up. Yes. I mean. You know, today I'm picking up stuff about huge fires in Greece, in Spain, massive fires in the south of France. But other people, you know, experience and these extremes, whether it's fire or floods. And again, that's in the astrology will continue, because the earth is going through her own shedding of trauma, of, you know, millennia of trauma, her own labor pains, her own rebirth. So we are going to see this. But it is also, I believe, and this is the mythology of the dwarf planet home here, the seismic activity, and it's already starting to happen, is going to produce new pristine land where we didn't have it before, or we couldn't see it before, which is going to be just full of incredibly nutritious food, plant food, etc. Now, they discovered it was a god. It was going back about 10 months ago. Now, they discovered a whole underwater mountain range, gigantic mountain range, off the coast of Chile, which nobody had known about, full of incredible plant life and sea life never been known before. Last week, I read about a Chinese led research team that went down in the Pacific Ocean, more than nine kilometers, and found new forms of life they didn't know existed, living on the ocean floor where there's no sunlight, all kind of tube worms and all kinds of new life, because they're feeding on from the bacteria on the ocean floor. A huge, sort of massive iceberg broke off from the Antarctic ice sheet a couple of months ago, but it's about size of Chicago, and revealed a whole ecosystem underneath the ice, which nobody had known about. So we are going to go through these big Earth changes, but it's not, you know, yes, it's traumatic. And you know, so many people across the world are meditating, including people who follow my work, and I think up to now that it can only help. You know, it can only help because the seismic activity, which has been very big recently, like the 8.8 in Russia, they've all been away from densely populated areas. So I think the best we can say is all these meditations will hopefully reduce the effect of what might have been more destructive, but the Earth changes will happen, and it won't all be bad news, because I think we will literally start to see new earth, literally, patches of new land. And I also understand that some of those geographies are going to be where Ancient Lemuria was. And if, when I listened to Keone Hanoi, who's descended from the mu people, he said that the only reason we can't see those, those areas of land. Now eventually, Lemuria is because humanity fell from love, and once we step back into love, we will see those, those Earth mass, those land masses again.

Alex Ferrari 27:50
So it's, it's, so it's with that said, this is that's very interesting. Is it a vibrational or a frequency thing? Then, because if we are at such a low frequency, they literally could be a mountain in front of us. We just, there's just nothing that we can do. We don't see it. But when we raise our frequency to a certain level, it appears, and as a consciousness, that's what's kind of happening?

Pam Gregory 28:13
That's what he's saying. Because, you know, you take a situation to two people go and stay in a beautiful old English manor house. You've just visited the UK recently, staying and one thinks it's just the most incredible place, and, you know, full of history and antiques and the rest. The other can see the ghost in the house, and it's absolutely freaked out of their mind. And they're in the same space and time. They're in two different realities, two different dimensions, seeing different things in that manor house. And so what we're talking about here is a dimensional shift. And I think it's really important going forwards that I for a period of time, I think there are going to be, well, essentially, I think they're probably 8 billion potential new timelines, because we all have our own individual timeline, but broadly at the moment, I think they're, they're two obvious collective timelines moving forward, and you choose which one you're on, depending on your frequency, and only you choose your frequency. Nobody, Nobody chooses it for you.

Alex Ferrari 29:16
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Alex Ferrari 30:33
Well, there's a big difference between being in the same house and seeing a ghost and not seeing a ghost, than it is seeing a mountain and not seeing a mountain and interacting with that, pulling plants, pulling these new nutritious plants, dying to try from this reality that that's but, but my mom is like, what are you eating? I'm like, I'm just eating air. Like, how is that?

Pam Gregory 30:54
Yeah, no, I get it. I get but, I mean, for sure, I know a lot of people who are living in love and living in joy, and you know, sure, you know, and they are having, you know, an amazing time that, yes, they're sending out a lot of love and compassion to the people in extreme circumstance and the wars and the awful things happening in the world, because they've got, you know, the time to do that. But they are building new Earth with every cell of their body. They are building new earth. And they, they, they, they're sending healing to people, and they're just seeing the glory of New Earth coming down the track. I was on a shamanic retreat in France in June. There were 18 of us, we, we were New Earth. We kind of embodied New Earth. We, we were living it through us. And I felt that we all felt it that we had to go back and take this energy, back to our regular locales, local world. But if you're living in, you know, real fear and horror and terror, you are going to keep, you know, the universe is just a mirror. You're going to keep on reproducing that individual reality and feeding it into the collective. So we've got a collective spiritual responsibility here as well as an individual responsibility. But the the real trick is frequency that determines everything.

Alex Ferrari 32:13
Pam, do you believe that the main purpose of our incarnation in this world is to truly overcome fear, because the fear seems to be the underlining thing that human once you these yogis and these masters, they once they lose fear of everything, not I'm gonna jump in with a tiger though their stories of that. But once they transcend fear in their lives. Things open up to them in a world of like, oh, okay, I see the code in the matrix now, all of a sudden, it's all about fear, and it's in fear in every shape and form that you can imagine, because that's what runs this whole reality is, it's fear. It is fear. Would you agree?

Pam Gregory 33:00
Totally unless, I mean, this is, this is the lifetime, potentially of mastery, yeah. So, so if you can be aware of these all, and the reason, Alex, I think they're happening as well, I mustn't lose my thread here. But the reason they're happening is because we've got such high frequency energy coming in and such energy of love coming in. It in this is pure physics. Now it destabilizes the low frequency energy. And so there's a, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So anything that's not born of love and has not been for the, you know, the highest good of humanity is collapsing. It's into but it's going to be like a cartoon. It's going to be writ large, because the collapse is going to be so noisy and so big, and so that's what we're seeing right now. But if it, if it drags your focus to that, we're going to keep on, on repeating it and replicating it. And so it's, it's really down to having the mastery of your frequency, in your state of being to say, No, I'm aware that it's happening. I'm going to send all the love and compassion I can via my group meditations all over the world, but I am going to focus on the highest form of love, joy, gratitude, compassion that I can possibly Summon, because I know that will make the world about a place, it'll help my reality. It'll help yours. You know, before every conversation, I say, let this be for my highest good, highest good of all, highest good of the Earth, because it's going to feed into the collective and help them. And you know, knowing very gifted people, I'm so blessed, way more gifted than I am, but they are really starting to manifest things that they never believed they possibly could in this lifetime, they're manifesting, you know, new homes, or, you know, money suddenly arriving, or, you know, they're almost at the very, very kind of first millimeter of becoming an Ascended Masters. And all the manifestations you read about with those. And so if we but we gotta get. Grips with this mastery of frequency and our state of being, because everything comes from the inside, out and and in a sense, that's, you know, if we can learn to drop into stillness and drop into our breath, that is the that, that is the most important, most powerful thing you can possibly do in a day, drop into stillness, drop into your breath. That's your point of power, not scattering it by worrying about the past or the future. Your point of power is that zero point of stillness, and that's when you're in your sovereignty to optimally create. Does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 35:38
It makes all the sense in the world. And when you were saying that, there was an image that flew into my head. Have you ever had a fish tank in your life? Yes, yes. So if anyone who's ever had a fish tank in their life knows that when you look at a fish tank, it looks clear, but then you pull out about what is it, 30% of whatever the water, amount of water it is to put in fresh water. And when you put in the fresh water, everything gets just brought up, all garbage, all the junk gets caught up. And all of a sudden, what you thought was clear is like, oh, good lord, there's a lot of garbage underneath that's been hiding completely out of out of the view of people, and now it's all over the place. And now you've got to deal with it. But the key is, what you were saying is to find that inner place where you can stand in the chaos and be centered while it goes around. You don't add to it, yeah, don't add to it. Just stay within your own space, in that sense, and send out love. And that hopefully starts to clean up the tank faster,

Pam Gregory 36:42
Yeah, absolutely. Because what that does is go beyond all the polarization. You know, you've got extreme polarization in the US politically, you know, I'm right, you're wrong, whichever side you take, but that, that ding dong, you know, it's like puppet, puppet show. It doesn't get us beyond the polarity. What gets us beyond the polarity is to get to that unity consciousness. And that unity consciousness you can feel if you drop into your breath and your stillness. And everybody can do that. Every single person can do that every day, several times if you can. But the you know, the this new earth, new consciousness, this revolution of love is not loud. It's super, super quiet. You're never going to see it on the nightly news. It's never going to be, you know, slam bam. It's never going to be noisy. It's really quiet because there are people meditating, going on soup runs and food banks and, you know, doing wonderful things for people. And they're not, they're not shouting about it, but they're coming together in community. They're buying land, they're they're growing food, they're sharing, they're chanting, and they're getting around the fire. And it's going back to what makes us human. It's going back to back to nature and getting in rhythm with the natural patterns. It's understanding the Earth. It's connecting, like the Lemurians did, with all the other species. It's hearing the animals speak, the trees speak, the birds speak to you. You know, it's getting back into that organic, natural wholeness. That's, that's what we're remembering, that's what we're going back to. And it's that simple, not this kind of crazy shouting out there.

Alex Ferrari 38:19
And it's it brings to my it brings something to my mind as well. Since I was just over in Europe, you were talking about food and natural. I mean, the food in Europe, I know, is not perfect, but it's so far beyond what we have here in the States because of the regulations, or because they don't allow certain foods there, where in America, food is a profit margin, and then in Europe, it is about health because of it, because it's more costly for them to have a sick population, because it's all unified, you know, public health, health care, fair. So they're like, We got to take care of our people. And it's fascinating, because now that ripple is finally rippling here to the States. You know, Coca Cola is going to finally take off corn syrup and you're gonna use sugar. I drank a coke. I know, right, crazy, but that same company is making Coca Cola in Europe with sugar and in Mexico with sugar. I actually drank a coke. It's a sip, a couple sips of coke in Europe, in Paris. I'm like, This is what is happening. It is but it's these ripples are starting to happen. I'm starting to notice it. You know, in Europe, bread has four ingredients, not 45 you know, I mean, I can read all the ingredients in bread. That's why you can eat bread in Europe, even if you're gluten intolerant,

Pam Gregory 39:37
Yeah, you can, yeah, it's much healthier, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 39:39
Yeah, it's a completely different thing. So I'm using that as an example of these things are changing and are rippling. People are starting to take notice. Because they're like, No, I don't I don't want this anymore. This is not acceptable anymore, and consciousness is shifting around the world, not just here.

Pam Gregory 39:58
That's really true. People are reaching. The you know, this far, no further point.

Alex Ferrari 40:02
Yeah. And I think that's going to happen with everything, where it's going to happen with war, with their with their politics, with their media, with their food, with their religion or spiritual there's a certain point that every, every aspect of our lives is going to be like that's the line that I'm not willing to cross, and it's more now I do have to ask you. I do have to ask you the most important question, controversial question ever in the astrology world. So I need you to prepare yourself for it, Pluto. Is it a planet or not, really, because I keep hearing Pluto is not a planet. Is it a planet? What is it?

Pam Gregory 40:39
Because quite a few years ago, received a new designation of dwarf planet. It was demoted. It was demoted. It was demoted. And boy, I tell you, when you have a Pluto transit, that is a life changing time. That is absolutely a life changing time. You know, I had Pluto transiting over my ascendant. That's the marriage access. I got divorced, you know, that I could have, you know, timed. And even though I didn't want that to happen, necessarily, although I left my husband, you know, you resist these things because they're so painful. But it was kind of, you know, it was there as divine timing. And so Pluto brings about, and not to suggest it's an external, because it comes actually as an urge within you. It's all within you that you have to step into your power. You have to step into your power in a much bigger way in the world than you ever done. And that, for me, was walking out of the marriage. Otherwise I wouldn't have done all the stuff I've done in the last, well, certainly 20 years anyway.

Alex Ferrari 41:40
So that's a long so the long answer is yes, Pluto's real.

Pam Gregory 41:44
Yeah, yeah, it's real. And but to add to that, Alex, I don't just think they're spinning rocks and they are absolutely matter. I think they're probability waves of consciousness that all have a pitch or a resonance.

Alex Ferrari 41:59
Oh, there's no question. I mean, you just looking at Jupiter, looking at Saturn, looking at uranium, these planets have an energy to them. Earth has Gaia. She's Gaia, she there's a soul. I've spoken to to many spiritual masters about this, and I ask, do planets have souls? And do and if this, if planets have soul, do galaxies have souls? And if galaxies have like but, you know, the Milky Way has its own vibe, very different than the billion other galaxies that are out there, you know. And then you start looking at it from a very macro way. And you look at it start going down to the micro, macro, micro version of it in if you look at it, from the galaxy to the planets, to the embodiments of the, the the the creatures of the planets, and then you go all the way down to the atoms. And, I mean, it just keeps going down. So like it's just, you know, the galaxies are atoms of the universe, isn't it? It's just your heads gonna hurt.

Pam Gregory 42:58
Yeah, absolutely, it's all fractal. It all fractal. If you look at images, Professor Robert temple wrote this brilliant book called The New Science of heaven. And in it, he had a lot of images of, you know, far, far deep space with all of the super galactic highways of light and information. And they're just like the neurons inside, like your neural network inside your brain. Just everything is fractal. It's like a series of Russian dolls. And so I think the the entire thing is one consciousness. The entire thing is one consciousness, and we're just ants at one level, in, you know, in that consciousness. But everything, everything is connected. Everything feeds into each other.

Alex Ferrari 43:39
Now we kind of talked a little bit about AI earlier, but AI is, you know, it came in like, like a rocket ship all of a sudden, everyone's talking about AI, even though the concept has been around forever, you know, even in movies and and things like that. But it really came in within the last few years in a very practical way, where now it's basically starting to take over our lives. It's integrating itself into our lives. It's upending industries. It's, you know, it's, it's what the it's what the car did to the horse and buggy, but magnified by a million, because it's just so much grander than just one industry. What are the astrological signs that this kind of energy? Because AI is an energy. It is a frequency. It is something that will, I believe, in a very positive way, elevate us to another place, because it's just doing things that we wouldn't be capable of doing ourselves, the calculations, the thing, it's just, it's just changing the simulation that we're in this whole world. So what is the what does astrology have to say about the time?

Pam Gregory 44:50
Yeah, Pluto in Aquarius. And Pluto will stay in Aquarius until 2044 it entered Aquarius briefly in 2023 it entered fully in November 24 It stays there till 2044 January, 2044 but this is a revolution in technology. And if you look back at previous cycles, both Pluto in Aquarius and the ruler of Aquarius, Uranus, that has just moved into Gemini, which is about communication and neural networks. And so, because there are in harmonious aspect and geometry right now, you know, the speed of that is just going to go off the map. I mean, it's going to be meteoric, and there's no slowing it down, and there's no regulation, really. So it's just going to go lickety split. And our choice then becomes, okay, well, I do. I want to be consciously part of that or not. And I think everybody needs to make their own decisions, and it can be incredibly positive for humanity. I think you've got to be very aware of the consciousness in each case that created it, and the consciousness which you're using. I mean, it is just rubbish for astrology, rubbish because I've used Chat GPT minimally for astrology, and I either just see myself coming back on myself, saying, Oh, I said that, or it's so wrong. It's not hours wrong. I mean, it's like months wrong months. It's just hopeless for astrology. I personally, because I'm a registered mumpkin, will always choose the natural and organic route. That's just who I am. I will or even if it takes me longer, that is the route I'll choose, because that just that just isn't my bag. You know, inevitably I'm bumping into it, but I won't actively incorporate it into my work. I'll stick to my bumpkin route, because then I feel my intuition is sharpest,

Alex Ferrari 46:44
Right! In your generation, my generation, we, I, we kind of, that's kind of what we grew up. But like, my generation is that weird generation. We knew what it was like before the internet, and then we know what it's like after the internet. We're the last generation before social media took over, you know. So we, we're this weird bridge generation, my generation. So I get where you're saying, but I also get to see what, where like my kids. They only know it. They will like you. I mean, I grew up only knowing that there was a television in the universe. Like there was three channels and it was black and white, but there was a television you know what I mean. So they grew up to, like, what do you what did? What's a VHS? What are you talking about? Like, you know what are you mean, you didn't have everything ever made at your fingertips at all times, I'm like, yeah, no, no, we didn't. So it's, it's interesting how but AI is going to change, even if you're not in involved with it, the things that you touch will be touched by it, regardless if you're using it or not, because it's just such a revolutionary thing. It's like the internet. When the internet showed up in the in the mid 90s, in a big way for us. I mean, obviously you remember when the internet came in and it was it's changed our life. The whole world is different because of the internet, but it moved so much slower. Yeah, it did then so slow. I mean, from broadband to the to the dial up to to get to broadband, to get to where we are now with fiber optic, and even then, we're still not but it took, I mean, Amazon took at least 10 years for it to, like, actually become a powerhouse. It took forever, but now things are just flying so that, according to the stars, according to the astrology, this is the time for something like this frequency to come in.

Pam Gregory 48:33
Oh, 100% 100% I mean, that was really clear to see. And the dwarf planet Sedna moving into Gemini as well. But my feeling is, Alex, and this is a purely personal point of view, my feeling is it's different from the internet, because there's a kind of more of an objectivity, in a way, with the Internet. When I've used AI, as I say, very minimally, I personally have a sense of infiltration, which I find really uncomfortable, of course, and it's quite it's quite distinct, and I just think, I just feel really uncomfortable using that so and that may be, I may be the only person in the universe who thinks that, but kind of, that's, that's where I'm at. And I think, hasn't there been some MIT research recently? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought there'd been some MIT research that was suggesting, if you use it heavily, you start to depend on AI for your cognitive function, and you start to lose some of your cognitive function yourself as a human,

Alex Ferrari 49:34
Agreed 100% Yeah, there is that. And let's not even get into the people who are leaving their wives and husbands because they've fallen in love with their virtue.

Pam Gregory 49:44
Quite sad, isn't?

Alex Ferrari 49:45
There's like, oh, chat GPT gets me, you know, you don't, you don't talk to me like she does. I'm like, she's, yeah, like, you know, but that, but there is that disconnection, but that's almost with every tool you can take a tool to a. An extreme. So there is going to be a balance that is needed. I mean, I look at the internet very much like a highway system. And AI is that is not only the car driving the but it's like planning the trips. It's doing. It's doing so much more, but the internet is the road. Without the internet, there is no AI in the way that we know it. It just

Pam Gregory 50:20
Yeah, foundation, absolutely. And it something else. I've noticed Alex and again, this is my own humble, personal point of view, but I've noticed with the friends that are using it, the AI will reflect, mimic or mirror their particular personality back to them. You know, I've got a friend who's a super mumsy, cozy, cuddly, loved up kind of personality, and that's the language he gets back. And so there's a sense Absolutely, of, you know, this is my best friend. You know, this, this really understands me in a way no other human being does. You know, I'm having a love affair with, you know? And so I just, I just, personally, would rather talk to a donkey rather than just

Alex Ferrari 51:01
No question. I'm not having full conversations with AI. I use what it's good for, but I'm not having deep conversations with it at this point. At least it is fascinating. Though, what it does come back with, sometimes you

Pam Gregory 51:15
Just brilliant. I mean, for most things, I think it's brilliant. For astrology, so far, my my experimentation has been pretty, pretty rubbish. But for for many, you know, summarize a book for me, summarize this big piece of research for me, summarize this film for me, brilliant at that, does it nanoseconds? I mean, outstanding at that? Yes, I would keep it that there's a tool that objective, a tool

Alex Ferrari 51:38
I would agree completely, and I'm glad. I'm kind of, I was really fascinated to see if astrology had this moment in time it was, let me ask you, was it was going back to the mid 90s? Was there a moment in astrology that kind of predicted the internet as well? Because that's another game,

Pam Gregory 51:55
Absolutely. That was in the 90s. The early 90s, there was an exact conjunction between Uranus and Neptune in 1993 and Uranus is technology, and Neptune is going viral. And that was the beginning of the World Wide Web, which Tim Berners Lee had really invented in about 1989 so all of these things I'm talking about now, like the internet coming to blossom to another level. They are all part of this. They're all part of this, this child. Like drawing of this configuration, though. So everything that was a seed point, like, for instance, Pluto Uranus, the last Pluto Uranus conjunction, which is like the sun and moon conjunction every time, every month we have a new moon. It's like the seed point that was in the in the 1960s 1965 1966 so that was the beginning of things like Nano, you know, nano technology, and the very early beginnings of what eventually became computerization and the world wide web and the internet. But it was also hippydom. This is peace and love and living in community, and we don't want war anymore. And so this is a blossoming of what was planted as a seed in the 1960s so the tech bit is not only Pluto Uranus, it's also Uranus Neptune that was a seed point in 1993 so a lot of these things are just flowering now. And you know, if I go back to when was the original conjunction between Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, it was 577, BC, when you had Pythagoras and Buddha, some of the earliest thinkers talking about consciousness and divinity. All of that is coming to the blossom now. So there's a sense of part of humanity becoming even more aware of consciousness, even more aware of their own divinity in their hearts. And another part of humanity who are becoming, you know, very excited about about the technological side. And those are the two broad collective paths, I think. And you know, neither is right or wrong, good or bad. You have to make your own individual decisions, but they take potentially. They take us on quite different trajectories. That's why your individual choices, I think, are so important right now. It's that makes sense.

Alex Ferrari 54:17
It does make sense. You know, when I think of AI, I think of it in the kind of beautiful, almost Pollyanna way that Star Trek used it back in the day. You know, it's used as a tool. It's part of their everyday. Obviously, everyone's very intelligent, everyone's very sharp. They all have their skills, but they just use it as a tool, like anything else. Like, Hey, can you do this? Do that, do this, calculate this and and it just does it instantly. I look at it that way, as opposed to the terminator or the matrix, where it's all encompassing and takes and takes over. And I said this so many times on the show, and I think it bears repeating, is that I truly believe that there is guardrails on humanity. Yeah. That we that there is something, someone watching us, that we will not let the the children plug the fork into the electrical socket. There is someone that is that so we, we've had, and I've said this before, and I'd love to hear your thoughts. We've had the the nuclear bombs since World War Two, and it's only been used twice, and it happened at that time. And there's been moments in history that we could have easily the 80s, in the Cold War, their stories of like we literally, if it wasn't for one Russian sub commander, World War Three would have Armageddon. Would have happened, things like that. There's someone that we should have blown ourselves up by now. I mean, there's no question we should have but yet we haven't. We're all here, thriving still. So there's something there protecting us, because if we do that, then that ends the game. And that's not what this thing is all about. Would you agree?

Pam Gregory 55:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100% I think the Galactics will not allow that, because we're on, potentially on such a positive trajectory as well, I don't think the galactic family that we have will allow that. That's my understanding. Because, you know, we are on the precipice of something so different, so amazing, that we haven't even got vocabulary for because we've never lived it. That's where I'm at. And people may think I live in la la land, and that's absolutely fine. They can stop listening to that's absolutely no, no problem. But for me, it's becoming palpable The more people that are living that way and feeling that way, even if it wasn't even a potential in the first place, we can create it, because that's what humanity does. We create with our frequency. So even if it wasn't an option before which it is, because I didn't see it so clearly in the astrology, even if it wasn't, we can create it for nothing together, which is what's happening right now across the world.

Alex Ferrari 56:49
So Pam, just the way it was in the 90s and in the 60s and now in this little sliver of time where so many things are changing. What does astrology have for us in the next 20 years, 50 years, 100 years? Are there any things that you see and go, Oh, something like, AI is going to come out in 2075 ish, or, Oh, my God, we're going to evolve in this like, what are those big markers that are using these big, broad strokes that you might see way past the time you and I have been playing the game.

Pam Gregory 57:25
Yeah, well, you might have come back all around by then. I haven't, to be absolutely honest, I've focused so much on this tight window of time. I've gone up to about 2032 and there's another very big aspect then. But I think, do you know if, you had asked that question a few 100 years ago, I could have more easily answered it now, because we're going to leave the tram tracks and become the kind of human being or galactic being we have never been fully before. The trajectory starts to become so much more abstract that it's harder to define because we've never lived it before. You know, astrology has been like economics or meteorology. You look back at the previous cycle, say, okay, when we have these prevailing planetary aspects, you know, what can we predict this? And it was like that. Now I think it's a different ball game. We're into a different game for humanity. I really feel that. And so it becomes more abstract, it becomes more fluid, it becomes more malleable. We become more of the light body. We eat less. We eat more plant based. We have a sense of oneness and communication with all living beings. That's where we're headed in a situation where we're living in peace, living in harmony with with the world and nature and natural patterns to a degree that we've never experienced in many, many lifetimes. That's where we're headed. So we are going to have, if we follow that trajectory, we are going to have fewer and fewer of the dramas. If you know the potential nuclear war and you know the horrors and the suffering, the disease and the pop, we're going to have less and less and less of that. And the more that we focus on the things we want to create, the more it's going to, you know, you just create a momentum, a kind of a love revolution. And boy, that's a great focal point. That's a great goal to have for your life, that you are going to be part of the love revolution. So you can stand on the demolition site, battered dusty, looking back, saying I could not have done better, and I'm darn proud of myself. That's what I want to be at the end of my days.

Alex Ferrari 59:31
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Pam, is there one timeless truth astrology reveals about our place in this massive, ever expanding universe.

Pam Gregory 59:44
Yeah, that we are, I think a divine fractal of source, a unique divine fractal of source. I believe astrology absolutely reveals that

Alex Ferrari 59:53
Really, that's beautiful. Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests. They've changed a little bit since last time. So. To prepare yourself. I mean, it's not going to be as controversial as the Pluto question, but what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Pam Gregory 1:00:11
I think doing just what I've said, standing on the demolition site, dusty and battered, and saying I could not have done more to stand for love in this world, I feel quite emotional with that. I could not have done more to stand for that feeling of love in the world.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:27
Beautiful. If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Pam, what advice would you give her?

Pam Gregory 1:00:32
Yeah, be brave and believe in yourself.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:34
What advice would little Pam give you today?

Pam Gregory 1:00:37
Have more fun. A lot more fun.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:42
Stop what? Stop working so much.

Pam Gregory 1:00:44
Yeah, 100% I know exactly what she'd say. What are you doing, living through a screen? Yeah, she would

Alex Ferrari 1:00:49
Eat, eat the the chocolate croissant. It'll be fine. How do you define God or Source?

Pam Gregory 1:00:58
Yeah, it's not in any religious sense, because I just think that's more dogma. It is a divine intelligence that is, is this emanating love in every moment, and has complete creativity in how it creates the world, and we are all aspects of that. And the reason I believe in divine intelligence so much is if everything was random, astrology wouldn't work, it would all just be a complete jumble. But there's pattern in this, you know, this divine intelligence in nature, in that massive oak tree grow out of that tiny acorn that had all the information in to go into that huge oak tree. You know the dragon fly, that's a creature of the air had all the information from that, that dull, gray water nymph predator that only lived under so it's the time capsule of this incredible amount of information, which is a time capsule of divine intelligence, and therefore, I believe it's, it's, it's, it's based in love. Does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 1:02:10
It makes perfect sense. Now, what is love?

Pam Gregory 1:02:13
I think it is not the pink, fluffy romantic love we generally associate with the world. Love, although it can be that which is wonderful, it's actually a very high state of being, where you move through your day beaming out love to everything. You know, I go on my morning walks, I beam love to the trees. I beam out love to the birds. I beam out love to the animals, and I beam that out and anybody I meet along the way, and it's really helped soften some, you know, tricky local relationships with people who have a utterly different view of the reality to me. Probably think I'm a complete rogue and Renegade, but that's fine too. So that beaming out love has really helped the dynamics in relationships where they they've been tricky, and I'd recommend that to anyone just be love. Be Love as a state of being not just a pink, fluffy love, which you send, you know, with a Valentine's card once a year. It's much deeper than that. It's more innate and ingrained than that.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:16
If you could ask this divine intelligence one question, what would it be?

Pam Gregory 1:03:21
Oh goodness, what is the optimum vision for humanity that we can achieve within this lifetime?

Alex Ferrari 1:03:32
Great question, quick question. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life Pam?

Pam Gregory 1:03:38
I think to grow and to live in love more fully. Yeah, I think so.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:44
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Pam Gregory 1:03:49
Website is pamgregory.com YouTube is Pam Gregory Official, please go to Pam Gregory Official, there are loads of scammers out there creating all kinds of trouble for me at the moment. So Pam Gregory Official, is where I'm really super busy and pouring all my energy and attention right now.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:07
Yeah, beautiful. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Pam Gregory 1:04:11
We're welcoming in an ever expanding consciousness of love is a good one to fall back on if you can't think of anything better.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:17
Pam, it is always a pleasure having a conversation with you. Thank you so much for being on the show, and thank you for everything you're doing to awaken this planet. So thank you.

Pam Gregory 1:04:25
Bless you, loved it Alex, thank you really loved it. Bye for now. And love to everyone out there.