On today’s episode, we welcome Dr. PMH Atwater, a pioneering researcher who has devoted her life to understanding the near-death experience after surviving three of her own.
There are conversations that feel like doorways—portals into the mystery of what it means to be alive, to die, and to return again with the universe still echoing in your bones. This conversation was one of those. Speaking with Dr. Atwater felt like sitting at the edge of an ancient river, listening to someone who has crossed it more than once and come back to tell the rest of us what the water feels like.
She begins with a story that most people would never imagine living through—dying three times in three months. Her words carried a strange, grounded certainty, the kind you hear in those who have truly met the unknown. She described how her first death pulled her from her body, leaving her to hover above a scene both tragic and strangely ordinary. “I kept bumping into the light bulb,” she said, in the sort of detail only someone who lived through the impossible could offer. And then came the ink-like blots—thoughts turning into visible forms, floating before her in a way that revealed just how alive and consequential our inner world actually is.
In each death, she was shown something different. But the third experience reshaped her destiny. There, she encountered what she simply calls The Voice—not a guide, not an angel, but something vast and resonant, “like the universe itself talking to me.” It instructed her to “test revelation” and write three books, each one connected to a specific death. These weren’t just books, she explained—they were structures of consciousness. “Every sentence, every paragraph, every page is part of the mathematics I was given,” she said. This was especially true of Future Memory, a book not meant to be read so much as navigated.
She spoke of another revelation: that human beings were never taught how to be human. That old civilizations understood the word hue as the voice of God, and that to be a human was literally to be “God-man” or “God-woman.” A reminder that our identity is far more magnificent—and far more responsible—than our modern world dares to teach.
But one of the most striking parts of our conversation was her life review. Unlike many accounts, hers included the ripple effect of every single thought she had ever had—how each one influenced others, the environment, the fabric of Earth itself. She confessed that this was the most painful part—not because she was punished, but because she saw, with complete clarity, how nothing we think or do is ever isolated. Everything radiates outward.
Then there was the void—black, empty, and alive with a silent movement. She described it like touching unset Jell-O, that subtle wiggle just before form begins to take shape. From that vibration, she said, all creation is born.
Her return to life was not gentle. She had to relearn how to crawl, walk, think, and even distinguish left from right. Yet the universe continued sending confirmations, like the moment at a scientific conference when a Stanford physicist displayed a diagram of the “eternal now”—a diagram identical to what she saw during her third death. The realization hit her like a tidal wave: “I’m not crazy. He saw it too.”
From there, she left her old life behind. She sold her home, allowed her children to follow their own paths, and set off across the country. She told her story quietly at first, until one woman’s starry-eyed wish to die just to replicate the experience made her stop speaking publicly for years. Instead, she committed fully to the research The Voice instructed her to do.
By the end of our conversation, her message distilled into something beautifully simple: we are here to learn. Not as students in the traditional sense, but as conscious beings discovering how our existence weaves into everything around us.
SPIRITUAL TAKEAWAYS
Every thought has form – Nothing we think is idle; every inner movement becomes part of the world we share.
The void is alive – Beneath the silence is the subtle vibration from which all creation emerges.
We are meant to be co-creators – Humanity’s purpose is not passive existence but conscious participation in the unfolding of life.
In the end, speaking with Dr. Atwater was like listening to someone who has seen the blueprint behind the curtain and returned only to say, gently, “Wake up. You are far more powerful than you know.”
Please enjoy my conversation with Dr. PMH Atwater.
Follow Along with the Transcript – Episode DE095
Alex Ferrari 0:00
Tell me what your life was like before you died.
Dr. PMH Atwater 0:08
I died three times in three months, January two, January four, March, I think it was March 23 something like that. And then later that fall, I had three major relapses. Oh, how can I put it into words? I had to relearn how to crawl, how to stand, how to walk, how to tell the difference between left and right, how to see properly, hear properly, and rebuild all my belief systems. I was raped. It was because of difficulties with the pregnancy, the three deaths, you know, from their miscarriage, and they were all long and complex. Each was different. And the third one, mainly this voice spoke, I call it the voice, like none other. It was not a guide, it was not a guardian, and it's not an archangel. It was none of that stuff. It was a voice so big. It's like the universe itself talking to me. And that voice said, test revelation. You are to do the research one book for each death. Book one was not named. Books two and three were named. Book Two is future memory. If you haven't read that book yet, you need to do it. It because it's not a book. It is a labyrinth. Every sentence, every paragraph, every page, is part of the mathematics I was given and used to create the labyrinth. So therefore, you read through it like you would walk through a real labyrinth. You can't skip read or, you know, you'll think I wrote a dumb book. In other words, you stay on the path and the purpose of future memory. The book is to bring your consciousness up to the next highest level possible for you at that time. And the third book was a manual for developing humans. It's a fun book. You know, who of us are ever taught how to be a human being. I mean, Lord, in the first grade, what do you learn when you go to kindergarten? What do you learn? Where you go the sixth grade? What do you learn? Who teaches us how to be a human being? And you know, several, you know, 1500 years ago, 2000 years ago. I don't know how long, long ago, people used hue for the sign of God, for the voice of God. Hugh was God. So human was God, man God woman. So it's literal. A manual for developing humans is to help you to be the human being you are that you were born to be, to be a co creator, with the Creator. I mean, that's who we are, that's what we are, that's what we're here for. Death number one, I ran to the bathroom, and I boarded on the toilet, and the pain was so bad that I rose up, I swear, into the heavens itself. And I was screaming at the heavens, and I heard my voice echo throughout the heavens itself. When I looked down, I saw my body all bloody on the floor. I'm a neat Nick because it's all messy, but I kept bumping into the light bulb. And in my case, in my first one, the light was the light bulb, and I kept bumping into the light bulb, and I couldn't figure out why I was bumping into the bulb. And then there, there came, like blobs, like every thought I thought issued a blob in the air, like ink blots, and I couldn't figure out what they were, and I didn't like them. And so pretty soon, I found myself jerked back into my body, literally jerk, you know, you know, you got a rubber band, and you're stretching out, and then you let go, and wham. And I entered through the top of the head where your font nail is, you know, and your baby, and pulled back into my body, back to my toes. You're much bigger on the other side than you are on this side, so you have to squeeze to get back in. While I was still bleeding, and I couldn't figure out why, so I went to bed and stuffed myself with as many pillows and blankets as I could and went back to sleep. I can always sleep. I'm a cop's kid. I was raised in a police station. They used the field outside of my window in Twin Falls, Idaho as their gunnery range. And I never ever heard them. I never believed my dad that they were shooting guns out there, because I never heard one when I when I go to sleep, that's it gone. So, you know, that was not unusual for me. Then it finally occurred to me that maybe I ought to go to a doctor. To the best of my ability, I got in my car, and it took, oh, it took me, seemed like, for forever, to drive, like, maybe five or six blocks to the doctor's office. And when I walked in the door, the head nurse was there, and. She screamed. She said, I looked like that. I had died. So she rushed me under the doctor. Told him everything that happened, and all he did was laugh. He said, here you are in this condition at your age, and all we do is laugh, which wasn't very kind. So he gave me a shot in the right thigh vein, which if he would have read my records, he would have known I couldn't take the shot and sent me home. And it took me almost long to get home as to get there, and the minute I walked in the door, the bleeding stopped. The hemorrhaging stopped, like you turn a faucet and it's gone, but the pain began, especially the right leg, and I thought, Well, I'm just gonna go back to bed again. So I went back to bed again and instantly asleep and didn't wake up till the next morning, when my daughter was shaking me and saying, you know, should I call the office? You can't come back to work? And I said, Yes, call them. Tell them I can't come my legs are lots of pillows propped way high. And that's the first time I ever looked at my leg, right leg, right thigh, and it was crimson red. I just couldn't figure out what it was or what was going on. So I decided to call for help. We had a reg style house in those days. You didn't have you know what you have now, all we had was a wall phone in the kitchen. That's it, period, end of story. So I began to crawl from my bedroom, through the living room, through the dining room to get to the wall phone in the kitchen, and it took me forever to crawl, because very, very painful. And I made it as far as the dining room and and I died. I just I died, and I floated up from my body. And lots and lots of things happened. Incredible things happen, being able to see, thought, create, things on the other side, I had a life review. I had I had an experience with creation, I had an experience with the void, and then I had the life review. And in my case, that life review included not only what I did, but the result of every thought I had ever thought, on the environment, on other people, on the world at large, plus my just being in the earth world, of the vibration of my being here, what the causality of that was with the air, with the water, with the ground, with the plans, so I had to hold the stalt of my ever having existed in the earth plane. And that, to me, was hell in the sense that nobody ever told me that every, every thought you think, goes out and has a life of its own. Nobody ever taught me that. Nobody ever taught me that my my my vibration, just being in the world, wherever I walked, changes the world, or affects the world, or has an effect on the rocks, the plants, you know, everything, the air. Nobody ever told me that and that, to me, was a shock. You know, many, many things happened, being very much in the void and realizing what the void was. You know, the idea that there's nothing in the void. There's absolutely it's completely dark black. There's nothing there, but there is a vibration. It's very similar to when you're when you're making jello, and you've just flopped the jello out of the dish onto a plate, and just as you begin to touch that jello on the plate, you're almost to the job. There's this happening that this sense, this wiggle, and it's that wiggle that is responsible for creation. It's that sense of movement, movement, but not movement that all creation comes from. It was just fantastic. And my third one, that was when I met the voice. That's when I was told to do this work, I was not told how to do it or how long it would take me. And the only way I could think of where I could do this kind of work this research was to use police investigative techniques, because that's what I knew. I was raised in a police station. I knew police investigative techniques. That's the techniques back in the 40s, so when I was reasonably human, which took a year, lots of things involved with that, what really helped me to be to discover who and what I really what was, was in November, when I wasn't getting well, the doctor. Was concerned, and my friends were concerned. So they decided together that I should be taken up to Seattle, Washington, to the mind miraculous symposium, and that would help me. And that's exactly what happened. Can you believe a doctor to get up at 530 in the morning to give his patient, you know, a shot in the arm, and lots of you know, medicine so I could be trucked up. But that's what happened. And went to the mind miraculous symposium. And the first speaker, Dr William tiller, physicist at Stanford, his talk was the eternal Now, and he believed that everything was simultaneous. Everything at the end of his talk, there was this great, huge, giant screen, maybe five, six stories tall, I mean, huge screen. And on that screen, he flashed up his drawing, his graph of what the eternal Now looks like in physics, how you can draw that in physics? And it was the exact same thing I saw in my third near death experience, exact. And I jumped up from that chair and ran out into the foyer and collapsed, and I just cried and cried and cried. I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. He sought to he knows about it. I'm not crazy. And from that moment on, I got well right away. And in 1978 I just walked out on my life. I did on the very day I was to become a bank executive. You know, in those days, women didn't become bank executives, but on the very day that I could have a bank title, I quit my job. I'm supposed to have a an appointment with my boss. I did. I was there, and I told my boss, sorry, but I'm quitting my job and I'm going to chase rainbows. And my boss went white. She said, sit down. Don't say another word. My boss very, very logical. Wow, logical. And at four o'clock that morning, she had been awakened by a very unusual dream when she went to her boss and said to him, I'm going to have to replace me because I was going to chase rainbows. That's not fair. You knew before I did. I didn't know till nine that morning. She knew it four in the morning, so I just sold my home, sold everything I had. My children decided to go elsewhere. My son then was off taking a cruise school aboard a square rigger and in the Atlantic Ocean, and decided to join the Coast Guard. My oldest daughter decided to be a drafter at a large architectural firm. My youngest daughter decided to leave and go live with her father. And so all of a sudden, they were gone, and then I was gone, and I went first to the Pacific Ocean to watch the sunset silver over the Pacific. And then I crossed the United States, fulfilling all my childhood dreams and wishes. Wound up in the DC area, watching the sun rise golden over the Atlantic. And that's when I began and I began telling my story, of course, at a police station, they had a very large police station, and one room was before the public. So I told my story, and the frightful thing that happened to me was I was over, a woman came up to me with stars in her eyes, and she said, Oh, I wish something would happen like that to me, so I could do it too. Did I do something to mislead her meditation or the other different ways it can learn more about your own soul and spirituality. But she was thinking that she should die because I did, and it just horrified me that I never talked about my own near death experience again for, oh, decades. That's when I started to do the research. No matter what I'm doing, no matter where I am, it'll be different for different people. But if we're going to look at it as you are attempting To, I would say we're here to learn.
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