There is a certain poetry to the way a soul returns from death—bruised but not broken, altered yet more whole. On today’s episode, we welcome a man who stepped into the white light, met the divine, and returned with the quiet certainty of love’s everlasting presence. Dr. Laurence Brock, a spiritual healer and minister, shares the story of his near-death experience, a car crash that served not as an ending, but as a door flung open to the cosmos.
He wasn’t seeking enlightenment. He was just a young man, high on pot and possibility, zigzagging through life like we all do. A crash brought him to the edge—his car mangled, his body still and battered, and his soul rising above it all, looking down with a detachment one can only call divine. There was white light, warm and infinite, a sacred silence that buzzed with benevolence. And a being—a silhouette radiant with presence—stood behind him in that ineffable realm and said, “You have to go back.”
“Your father wants you to stay,” the being continued. And in that moment, Laurence knew with a clarity words could never quite hold, that the Father was not his biological dad but the Source, the All, God. The return was not a gentle one. It took days in the hospital before his broken body remembered breath, and even longer for his mind to catch up with what his spirit already knew. The world was the same, but he was not.
From that point on, the journey became one of remembrance. Life unfolded with signs, including a mysterious teacher who appeared like a lighthouse on a foggy shore, guiding Laurence deeper into the mystery. The teacher spoke not of doctrine but of Mary, of Christ, of Divine Love as a living ocean. “Mary was so open to God’s love that she let the Christ energy in,” the teacher told him, and Laurence recognized that as the same love that surrounded him in the light. Jesus was the being he saw. He didn’t believe it; he knew it. No proof necessary. Some truths don’t ask for evidence—they demand presence.
And presence, Laurence learned, was not just a state of being—it was a service. Touching people, his hands grew warm. Healing happened, not as performance, but as participation in Spirit’s flow. The ego questioned. The world doubted. But still, he served. One day, a woman near death herself came for healing. After two sessions, her doctors were stunned by her recovery. That, Laurence said, was the moment he finally let the truth in: he was doing something meaningful. Something divine. “I don’t know what you do,” she wrote to him, “but I’m getting better.”
There is a humility in his voice, the kind that only comes from having touched the Infinite and returned with both reverence and responsibility. He cooks. He volunteers. He loves deeply and nurtures freely. His Judaism never clashed with his Christ-consciousness—it all dissolved in the larger ocean of Spirit. His mission? To embody blessing so thoroughly that it spills into the lives of others like water overflowing a sacred cup.
And so, this is not just a tale of a near-death experience. It’s a whisper from the edges of life itself, a reminder that to die and return is not the only way to awaken. It’s a reminder that perhaps we all have something divine stirring within us, aching to be remembered and lived.
SPIRITUAL TAKEAWAYS
The Divine is not bound by name or form. Whether you call it God, Light, or Love, the experience transcends doctrine and unites all traditions in the same eternal presence.
Service is the extension of spiritual truth. Healing, nurturing, and helping others is how Spirit often asks to move through us in the world.
True knowing needs no proof. Spiritual truths, when experienced directly, rest not on belief but on inner certainty.
In this profound conversation, we have Dr. Laurence Brock, a man who died to remember what life is truly for.
Please enjoy my conversation with Dr. Laurence Brock.
Follow Along with the Transcript – Episode DE070
Alex Ferrari 0:00
Tell me what your life was like before you died.
Dr. Laurence Brock 0:08
I was living in Colorado at the time I grew up. Spent my childhood in the Northeast of the United States and Westchester New York. My roommate in Colorado was also, you know, friend from my childhood. So we came back east to see our parents for a little while. We drove in his car. So we had just driven 2000 miles straight without stopping, and we both went home to rest for a little while. He dropped me off at my parents, and I don't remember how, but we found out about this party one of our friends from high school was having, so we decided to go. I took my mom's little it was a Bob Ford bobcat. It was a bobcat, like a 280 ZX. I think it was a Dodson back then. So we went to this party. We were definitely smoking and pot and drinking, so I was a little high. I didn't feel like I was that high, but I kind of liked the young lady who was having the party, so I pretended I couldn't drive. So I asked my friend to drive me home so I could go back to the party the next day and basically flirt with the girl who was having the party, almost back to my parents house. I realized my sister needed to use my mom's car the next day, and I said, my friend drive me back. I got to get the car, and he drove me and explained that I was pretending, or I thought I was pretending I was too high to drive. So I went back to the party. I still remember. I still have an image in my mind of after that. I went in, you know, to tell her I was taking the car. I can still see the party in my mind when I checked my memory. And, you know, I look at it now, I should have never been driving, because it was kind of extra bright and a little hazy, you know, like when you drink too much. But I remember walking towards the door. The next thing I remember, I was out of my body looking down on my car. The bobcat was smashed, and it looked like no one could have survived. My body was leaning against the tree with my legs straight out this way, and a police officer was like, crouching over me, like he was, you know, looking at me. I I never checked he is. I assumed he pulled me out of the car, but I was looking down. All of this seemed fine. There was, I was in white light all around me, down where my body in the car was, it was nighttime, and dark behind me was this big circle of a different shade of white. And within there, there was like a being, like a silhouette, full body silhouette, a person or being with, you know, still another shade of white light kind of radiating off of that. The feeling was amazing. Just like I don't even I start to say it, something in me kind of starts to shiver a little bit, because I still use that to connect to that incredibly loving warm energy, like, everything was okay. I was okay. The car was okay, my body, even though my head was smashed open, was okay, and life, everything was okay. And I just seemed to understand things, like in my early 20s, it was, you know, a job, family, all this stuff, you know, I guess still, those were always concerned, but everything just seemed to make sense. The being behind me, I don't know how long ago, but someone finally said, Oh, you so you could see behind you. I didn't even really think of that. It just I knew it was behind me. It's almost like I could see three dimensionally, but I was looking this way, and the being behind me said, you have to go back. Your father wants you to stay. I knew right at that moment, the father was, God, not my physical father and I went back into my body, and then came to three days later in the hospital. In a certain way, that was a blessing, because it became my mission. I need to find out, and needed to learn this. And even I would say, maybe a year ago, all of a sudden, I go, Oh my god. I can't believe I didn't understand that mentally, because it was there was something about meditating that I got, ah, I was shown that during my near death experience, I just didn't register it in my mind. So you're asking things that are reference of this physical level and thinking in a linear way, and that did not happen there. So in one way, I got everything, but in another way, I had no idea what to do. We could say I was happy that I was alive. I, you know, remember the nurse and the doctor, basically, they didn't tell me. I flatlined, but they, you know, the nurse said it was touch and go for a while that the neurologist looked at me with this big smirk on his face that I could start with Mary. He said, You're lucky, and I don't, I don't know, you know, you're like, it's just something I kind of put to the side and didn't really think about it or mention it to people. And I, you know, it's a totally different reference now, like, now it's on, you know, half the TV shows mentioned near death experiences or things like that. So you know what to think of it. I. Yeah, I didn't, I mean, I knew it was a real experience, but I didn't know anything more than that. It was just kind of allowing that to happen and knowing something in me really needed to know, because I really spent the rest of my life still, I'm trying to find out what it was and what it is, because it you just can't seem to know it all right. Here, I went back to Colorado after getting somewhat physically better, and then my mom kind of convinced me to move back east, and I was sitting in my apartment back East. So, you know, I'm not so good with years and days and all that stuff so but within a year, this woman showed up at my door and introduced me to this teacher. And right away he started talking about this stuff. So it was some, you know, I talk about, I was connected into the invisible internet, you know, that spiritual internet. And he did not use the term near death experience either, but he had a similar experience. And a lot of the people in the little groups that he taught had near death experiences also, again, not using that word back then, even though it was, it was started to be used. So he taught classes, and I spent time with him in southern New York City, in Colorado, in Vancouver, Canada and Texas. I just needed to know. And it was funny, because I was born in a Jewish family, he was an Islamic teacher. Again, didn't really matter to me. I just this truth, this knowing, this loving, what you know, I'm still always I don't even want to pin it down too much, because it's not a pinnable down thing. It's this moving, growing, loving, warm, wonderful thing. So interestingly, right away, he started to talk to me about Mary, and as soon as he did, I felt, oh, that and how he would talk like Mary was so open to God's love that she let the Christ energy in. I go, Oh, that is what happened to me in my near death experience. Then he talked to me about Jesus, and I go, Oh, that being behind me was Jesus. And I just knew that. I know that now people say, is there any way to prove it? No, of course, there's not. He mentioned in the ocean of divine love and benevolence that he talked about that was the white light around me. So it started to give me a mental reference and words to use to understand more of what happened and how to explain I talked somewhat about these experiences within these small groups, and then, like, now, it's everyone's interested in it. So it's a different thing, but it is. How do you balance that inside of you? You got to make a living, you know, all that stuff, and take care of your house, take care, you know, all those things, and still do the spiritual part. It's not an easy task, because, I mean, nowadays, people are way more open to it, but still, what I do and what I see is a little out there, even for most people that are open, yeah, I definitely had some people in my life that didn't really want to have anything to do with me after I opened up about that. Surprisingly, my dad recently passed away, like about a week ago, so it's but some nice things with him. Is when I first so I'm a minister, and when I thought it would be such a big deal to tell him this, because after my near death experience, my you know, I considered myself before that, to be Jewish, not that I was that into it, but starting to believe in Jesus is a whole different thing. And when I I wanted to tell my dad I was a minister, and when I told him I was without missing a beat, he said, Do you have to pay income tax? Like I thought he'd be so upset about that I was doing something Christian, and he was more the typical Jewish businessman concerned about it. Later on in life, he started to become a much more loving man. When he was in his early 80s, he met this woman and really fell in love with her, and he really changed. So he one time, he must have looked me up online after that. I mean, I talked a little bit about it to him, but he taught start to talk to me about my near death experience, and in his desire to love and connect with me, which was really nice. He started to say he had a near death experience, but his was, he fell asleep while driving one time, and the gravel as his car pulled off the road, the gravel hit the bottom and woke him up. So he didn't really have a near death experience, how we talk about it, but he said, you know, if the gravel didn't wake me up, he probably would have died. But his wanting to connect with me, you know, super. And he was not, he was totally sharp in his mind. So it was almost funny to me. That funny in a nice way, that his love superseded his mind to, you know, to try to connect to me about what was going on. It was great. So one thing I noticed, and it still happens, when I touch people, my hands become warm. And that I noticed again, I didn't know what to make of it. It's not like I'm thinking healing nowadays. It's everywhere on TV. I think TV shows really influence people so much to be looking for that I just didn't even think of it. But I knew that my hands became warm and people felt good. There was one time I prayed. Someone and something happened. When I met the teacher I was talking to you about, he started talking to me about it, and he would call me a sensitive, which I knew was a good thing, because he referred to himself in that way. And he just started talking to me about different healing things and but still, it was hard to really grasp. And I've had my practice for a long time, but I would say about five years ago, something happened that I was really able to embrace it in a way to, you know, be okay with it and not almost feel embarrassed and like you were saying, Oh, what do people think? I'm crazy. I just helped this woman who had a a miscarriage, who was she was in really bad shape, physically after that, the doctor said, Forget ever having a child. And at this point, you know, we're a little concerned about saving your life. And she came to me, one of her friends kind of forced her to come see me. And after two sessions, she sent me this email saying, I don't know what you do, but the doctor said, I'm getting better. And they can't believe it. And it was a couple of years after that, but I was looking for things, you know, it was around Thanksgiving, and I started looking for things to post. And I read this, I go, wow, that's like, amazing, because she went from being very sick to being healthy within a few weeks. And I just let it in. And it was like, I doing something really cool here. And a lot of my embarrassment about talking to people about this kind of out there thing went away right then. So it was gradual over years of accepting it and experiencing and being social, having a nice place to live, you know, all those things, but doing the spiritual part, I think is really important, having other spiritual people in your life. You know, doing, I do a lot of service work. I volunteer a lot, I actually, so I was talking about these positive qualities and attributes, expressing those in whatever way that is for you, I learned a lot. You know, there's certain things that, for me, it seems though that's natural and how you would do it. There's other ways for other people that, to me, might not be the way, like, there's like, I'm not a martial arts person, but for some people, that's the way to express that. And, you know, I just not a fighting kind of person, but, you know, cooking, drawing, anything that you're adding in that spiritual experience into it, on top of the bliss we're talking about when you add that spirit and your qualities are being activated. Whatever that is, I love. I'm a cancer. I really so very nurturing. That is part I love to cook. I take care of people, and luckily, I found a way to make a living doing that also so though. But it could be anything. Some people are even making money. Could be the way the Spirit comes in and their qualities are activated. My mission in this life is to reach God, I guess, and but part of that is to help people and be a good dad, you know, be of service to my family, to my friends, to my community, to bring in, to be a blessing. You know, to hold up to be a blessing is not quite it, but it's more like hold that blessing inside and then the overflow of that to be available to other people. I guess you could describe it as, like, everyone's motive for everything is they want to be loved, even the things that would be so hard to conceive. Like, how could someone doing something that terrible but selling in them is moving towards wanting love and connecting to spiritual love and love from other people.
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