Gregg Braden: NEW EVIDENCE! The Shocking TRUTH About How They Built The Pyramids!!

In the heart of the high desert, where the sands whisper secrets of time long past, we welcome back the insightful Gregg Braden. Known for his groundbreaking work on ancient civilizations, spiritual wisdom, and the mysteries of our origins, Gregg brings a wealth of knowledge that invites us to re-examine our understanding of history and our place in the cosmos.

Our conversation began with the compelling question, “Who built the pyramids?” Gregg shared his extensive background in geology, archaeology, and ancient history to unravel the enigma of these monumental structures. He explained that our traditional teachings, which place the origin of civilization in a single, linear progression from primitive to advanced, are increasingly challenged by new discoveries. These findings suggest a much older and more complex narrative, one that includes multiple simultaneous cradles of civilization.

Gregg eloquently stated, “Archaeological discoveries now are being made that precede that 5000-year cycle.” He described how evidence of advanced societies in locations such as the Indus Valley, China, and Mesoamerica points to a shared knowledge of agriculture, architecture, and cosmology far more sophisticated than previously acknowledged. This raises the tantalizing question of how these civilizations developed such advanced capabilities seemingly independently, yet simultaneously.

The Great Pyramid of Giza, with its staggering dimensions and precise construction, serves as a prime example of this mystery. Gregg highlighted the extraordinary engineering feats involved, from the transportation and placement of massive limestone blocks to the incorporation of intricate mathematical and astronomical knowledge. He recounted how scientific efforts to replicate the pyramid’s construction with modern technology failed, suggesting that ancient builders employed techniques we have yet to fully understand.

One of the most intriguing aspects of our discussion was Gregg’s exploration of the idea that civilization is cyclic rather than linear. He pointed to evidence of advanced societies existing well before the accepted start of civilization, such as the submerged city in the Gulf of Cambay, India, and the ancient site of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, which dates back over 13,000 years. These sites suggest a pattern of rise and fall, where great civilizations emerge, achieve remarkable advancements, and then are lost to cataclysmic events.


  1. Civilization is Cyclic, Not Linear: Gregg’s insights remind us that history may be a series of recurring cycles rather than a straight path. This perspective can inspire us to look for patterns and learn from past civilizations to better navigate our future.
  2. Advanced Knowledge and Technology: The sophistication of ancient technologies, from pyramid construction to cosmological understanding, suggests that our ancestors had access to knowledge and methods that we are only beginning to rediscover.
  3. The Role of Catastrophes: The idea that great civilizations have been reset by cataclysmic events underscores the resilience and adaptability of humanity. It also serves as a reminder of the potential vulnerabilities we face today.

Our conversation also touched on the controversial topic of Antarctica. Gregg shared insights into the mysterious structures being revealed by melting ice, which some believe to be remnants of an even older advanced civilization. These discoveries challenge our current understanding of history and suggest that there is still much to learn about our past.

As we contemplate these revelations, Gregg emphasizes the importance of acknowledging our spiritual and biological heritage. He warns against the over-reliance on technology that could disconnect us from our innate human potential and divinity. “Our DNA is the link to our spirituality and divinity,” Gregg explained, highlighting how our biological makeup connects us to a greater cosmic consciousness.

In conclusion, Gregg Braden’s work invites us to question, explore, and embrace a broader understanding of our history and potential. As we uncover more about the advanced civilizations that came before us, we are reminded of the cyclical nature of time and the enduring spirit of human innovation and resilience.

Please enjoy my conversation with Gregg Braden.

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Gregg Braden 0:00
Here's what's happening. Archaeological Discoveries now, are, are being made that precede that that 5000 year cycle. So when it first started happening, scientists said, Oh, well, these are anomalies. So you know, we've got we've got our history, and we're sure it's right. And then here's an anomaly. And we'll put it over here. We'll come back and look at it later. Well, now there are so many anomalies, the anomalies are telling the new stories.

Alex Ferrari 0:38
I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Gregg Braden, how're you doing, Greg?

Gregg Braden 0:42
Hey, well, thank you for that warm introduction. It's good to start as a champion. today. I'm doing well. I am coming to us before from our studio just outside of the Santa Fe, New Mexico. And I've got to tell you this day with us first day in two weeks, we haven't seen rain and snow. So you brought some sunshine to the high desert. I'm happy to be with you.

Alex Ferrari 1:02
I am glad. I'm glad I could help you, sir. I'm glad I could help you. Our last conversation was such a hit with our audience. And I think we made plans right after our first conversation even before that other one was released. We're like, we gotta keep talking, we have to have to come back, we have to make something happen. So I appreciate I know, you're very busy. Man, I appreciate you coming back on the show. And today's conversation really wanted to tackle something that you know a little bit about in regards to ancient ancient civilizations, technologies of ancient civilizations, spirituality, that space as well. So I'll just start with a very easy question, who built the pyramids?

Gregg Braden 1:37
Well, so I'm gonna start off start with an easy answer. To to lay a foundation? Sure, to the answer to that question, if I can, you know, when, when I was in school, back in the in the midwest of this big, beautiful country, we live in 1950s 1960s. I was taught at that time, what we are still teaching our children today. And that is that civilization began in a in an isolated location in what today we call the Tigris Euphrates Valley. And it began its breeding the primitive state and evolved in a linear fashion slowly, gradually over a long period of time, to what we have today. The problem with that story, Alex is the evidence doesn't support it. And there is still a there's a battle to maintain what is called the standard model. When it comes to our history when it comes to civilization when it comes to science. When it comes to physics. When it comes to human origins. There. There's a battle to maintain the static story. Excuse me, it is developed, you know, in late 1800s, early 1900s, even though the evidence no longer supports it. So the new the new discoveries are now telling us that rather than a single cradle of civilization, excuse me in the Tigris Euphrates, rather than a single cradle that there now appear to have been at least five simultaneous cradles of civilization. And some of those are very familiar to us. There was one in China, there was one in the in the Tigris Euphrates that was Mesopotamia. There is the Indus Valley, mysterious technology has been found buried in the Indus Valley and what now is India and Pakistan. There was a corral in northern Peru there was Mesoamerica there was the the area and what we now call the UK and Europe and that part of the world. So these five, or depending on how you look at the maybe six simultaneous civilizations out and Egypt, Egypt was certainly a part of that. And that's this is a long answer to, to your question. They appear to to have been simultaneous, there appears to be a communication. There's a continuity of knowledge between these civilizations in terms of agriculture, the ability to grow large amounts of food in hostile environments to feed large populations, certainly mathematics, certainly architecture, multi storey buildings, it's no easy feat to build these, these multi storey structures the way they were built, and a knowledge of the cosmos that was so advanced Alex in many instances, it was discounted is myth until the 20th century when our own satellites began telling us more about the neighborhood that we live in our solar system neighborhood and, and lo and behold, these ancient traditions have it right on. So the question that comes up often is where did these civilizations come from? And and I think the answer to that question, maybe the answer to who built the pyramids. So that's where I wanted to lay that that foundation. What we know is that there. I'm a geologist by degree, and I rarely get to use that, that degree anymore. With a strong background and the life sciences, math, physics, computer science, cosmology, and an archaeology. And I say that once again, because it's that multidisciplinary background that helps me to stay current in many different fields as new fields of science as new discoveries are being revealed. And I gotta tell you, what we're going to talk about in this program, it's no secret in the scientific community. It is simply there's there's a resistance to embracing it in the mainstream. So mainstream textbooks mainstream classrooms, and the reason is because the pushback from the religious community from the political community, certainly from the, the, the technological community, and, and much more so what I'm saying to you is, is peer review that's out there in the in the open literature is just not something that we often hear about. So I'll I'll just the mystery is where did those simultaneous advanced civilizations come from? And that might be where we want to go with this but I'm gonna I'll stop there and see if and cents and where I would go

Alex Ferrari 6:28
Yeah, we'd love Yeah, let's let's dive into where these ancient civilizations come from. Because it's, it is such a mystery to I mean, anyone who has a logical mind to even look at the pyramids and and believe the story that we've been told, it just doesn't make logical sense.

Gregg Braden 6:43
Let's let's talk about the pyramids for a little bit, I have my my first opportunity. I had studied the pyramids, since I was a kid, you know, I've been fascinated by this stuff. You know, I was five years old, my mom was helping me to read books by Edgar Casey about lost civilizations, and, and we were memorizing the planets in the solar system, and the names of the dinosaurs and the kings of Egypt. So I've been fascinated by this stuff for a very long time. My first journey into Egypt was 1986. And, and I was just just astounded by what I saw. Now, that was a very different Egypt from what we see today. There are a lot of places now that are restricted, and they have been revamped, you know, for public consumption. It was much more raw. Back in the 19, the 1980s 1990s. But the the pyramids, and we talked about pyramids, there are pyramids all over the world. And it's the similarity of those pyramids. That, that brings to mind the question, where do they come from. But typically, when people talk about pyramids, they're talking about three pyramids on the Giza Plateau in Egypt, and interestingly, the largest of those is called the Great Pyramid. And it's not the one that people show in the pictures. Because the Great Pyramid is does not have a capstone, it's flat on top that capstone was lost. At some point in history. There's another one of the three that does have a capstone, and that's the one that that news anchors and television and movies, they always call that the Great Pyramid. And it's not. But the there are so many, we could do a whole program in the mysteries of that single structure alone, it's over 400 feet tall. It is made of massive blocks of limestone. When I was there, I went back in 1989. And there was a scientific group that was trying to recreate the Great Pyramid. And the first thing that they discovered was that none of the equipment they were using Caterpillar tractors and forklifts and things like that, none of the equipment that we had, at that time could lift the blocks, the 20 tonne blocks of the pyramid. So they had to go to the Caterpillar Tractor Company, and and have commissioned them to build a special device that they then could use to build the pyramid. And after six months, the Egyptian government told him to clean up their mess and go home, they simply could not replicate the technology. The way when we see that pyramid, what we're seeing, actually is is the part of the structure was never meant to be seen. So there were essentially three layers of the pyramids of Giza and the Great Pyramid. The outer layer was encased in highly polished limestone look like marble, white, that would have reflected that light in just a magnificent way and there, there are only a few layers of that left on one side at the bottom because it has been stripped away, for convenience used in other buildings throughout Cairo and other mosques and other primarily in other mosques and other structures that are there. So what we're seeing now is the inside that was never meant to be seen. And these are the this the tiered limestone blocks. And inside of that was built around a the rooms themselves are granite, the King's Chamber, the Queen's Chamber, a massive, massive, you know, 50 60 70 ton blocks that are so highly polished. We can't do this with our technology today, they're, they're less than 1/1000 of an inch of tolerance between the stones, there's no mortar holding these together. And they've been there for centuries, the mathematics involves the mathematics, the circumference of the earth, and the diameter of the Earth and the Earth's relationship to the moon, our relationship to the magnetic fields of the planet. I mean, it goes on and on and on. So the question is, how was it done. And obviously, these were not primitive people that were doing this. So when I was there in in 1989, another scientific group was there, and they were given access, this the only time this has ever happened, they were given access to the casing stones that we see today and permission to drill core samples into those casing stones, because when you do that you're destroying the stone. So I've been part of it. So obviously, it's not happening a lot. So they took the core samples, and the I know, as a geologist, what you would expect to see if these were naturally occurring limestone blocks taken from the surrounding limestone in the area, there's a lot of limestone in the area, you would expect in those core samples, to see what you see a naturally occurring limestone, you would expect laminations, you would expect microfossils maybe visible fossils, because it was presumably from from ocean bottom. And what they found in the core samples was just the opposite that there, there were no laminations the entire block appears to be homogeneous. That's not what you see in nature, when nature is laying those, you know, year after year after year, that the layers that go down, but they also found air bubbles, they found insects and they found human hair. And and what they when they did the chemical analysis, there were chemicals in the blocks that do not occur naturally. So the bottom line and and this is a mind blower, this is 1989 when they found this is the question, how do they get massive blocks of such high tolerance fitting perfectly 400 feet above the surface? And, you know, I mean, if you watch the old movies in Charlton Heston, you know, Exodus, what you see is, you know, a million slaves with ropes and log rollers, and they're rolling them up sand ramps and all that, you know, and maybe that happened in some places later on that very possibly could have happened later on. But that's not what happened with the three pyramids, the great pyramids on Giza, and what they found was what was published. And the pushback was tremendous is that these stones are what are called their artificial stone. And the way they were created is they were in fact, the stone itself was mined from nearby limestone quarries. It was then pulverized and mixed with a high tech e poxy. That allowed it to be plastic, you know, kind of molten or at least, you know, soft, poured into molds, and then those molds there, it was hardened. And the molds were poured on sight. So that's why you could pour one block next to another and get 1/1000 of an inch tolerance. So you know, I talked to people about this. I have I used to do a lot of programs on this not so much anymore. But one of the questions people say okay, well, you know, what's the big deal artificial stone? Well, we didn't know really how to create this. So there's another interesting story that goes with this in 1990. Some of our viewers remember, the US was about to invade Iraq, and what was called the First Gulf War. I remember watching on TV, I was crying, watched it on TV, I didn't want to see it happen. And there's a backstory to this Saddam Hussein knew that he that America would well, everybody knew because we broadcast that we were going to attack. He contacted an American artist who was using the technology that was used in the Great Pyramids. He contacted that artists because he wanted that technology to harden his bunkers before the the US forces attacked Iraq, he wanted that the epoxy based stone so that he could harden those bunkers. And us got wind of this US government and made it illegal they forbade the the artist from sharing his patented technology was Saddam Hussein, that would have actually harden those bunkers against the shock and awe that we were doing so. So the point is the technology that was used to build the pyramids was so advanced, we weren't even really doing it until the 20th century, and and it had military applications that were recognized pretty quickly.

Alex Ferrari 15:38
And we still don't do it. And we still aren't using it heavily in our construction or anything like that right now.

Gregg Braden 15:43
No, no, I think there are some artists that are using this, but but you don't see it in construction. So so this was a mind blower to the, to the scientific community 1989 Because all the textbooks say those blocks were carved, and then somehow mysteriously moved in into place. Now we go down, just adjacent to the Giza Plateau is the Great Sphinx. And I know most of our viewers are familiar with the Sphinx. And as a geologist, I was fascinated when I went there in 86, because what is what you see on the back of the sphinx on the rump, and this is a view that you don't often get, and you know, in mainstream, they're always looking either a profile or right on the face. But what you see is there there, first of all, the Sphinx is carved from in place from a limestone bluff that was in place. So it's, it's like there was a solid limestone bluff, and the Sphinx was carved, and then all the empty space around it is where the rock was cleared and moved away. To, to so that the Sphinx looks like this isolated, you know, standing structure. So it was it was actually carved in place. When you go around to the back of the sphinx on the rump, you see erosion marks, that are about 12 feet deep in some places, where it's limestone, limestone is a sedimentary rock. And when there are some parts of the limestone that are more resistant than others, and the softer parts are what gets eroded away creating these erosion marks. Well, there was a there is a geologist from Boston University, Robert Schoch. And I know many people are familiar with his work now. Because of the Charlton Heston, special Charlton Heston did did a special on the Great Sphinx. And Robert Schoch was the first one that credibly question the age of the sphinx from a geologic perspective. And what he did was he looked at those erosion marks the same ones I'm looking at. And he said, Well, this is obviously fluvial erosion. The term fluvial means high, it's based on water, and it would take high amounts of water moving quickly over long periods of time to create that kind of erosion. Up until that time, the scientists had called it Aeolian erosion, which means it was wind, wind blowing, you know, sand like sandpaper and cutting it away. Robert Schoch said no, it's obvious this is fluvial erosion. And here's here's where the kicker comes in the only time that there has been that kind of water, high amounts fast moving water over long periods of time. predates anything our textbooks are talking about when it comes to the the pyramids, we're told the pyramids were built approximately 45 4500 Maybe 5000 years ago. And the water that would be required for that erosion has not been seen since the melting of the ice at the end of the last Ice Age, which is right around between sorry, around 12 13,000 years BP before present. So if that is the case, it means the structure had to already be existing at 12 to 13,000 BP. It had to be older than that. And this is this is where the problems are coming in today. Now, as a geologist, I was a member of a geologic organization, double APG American Association of petroleum geologists was the the term but it's about more than petroleum. And they have a journal, a peer reviewed journal that comes out Robert Schoch published his findings in double APG and the scientist, the real scientists, not the pop scientists. They looked at that data and they said of course, of course this is fluvial erosion of course. worse, it had to have happened, you know, 12 13,000 years before present, they accepted it no problem. The geologists have no problem that historians have a horrible problem, because it means the history is wrong. And the evidence, the evidence no longer supports the history.

Alex Ferrari 20:21
And what I find fascinating, Greg is that the the pyramids, which was supposed to be the oldest of all of them, it seems to two things. One, it's it was said it was a king's chamber, yet there has never been, there's nothing that's ever proven that at all, they've never found a corpse. There's no higher glyphs, it completely goes against every other tomb we've ever found. And to it seems that that technology keeps getting worse. So the pyramids, as they get closer to our time period, seem to degrade almost, in the style that they're being built, they should be getting better. And there should be more of them out there. Right?

Gregg Braden 20:59
Well, this is true, Alex, and is something this is not ice, well, first, I'm just gonna back up the way that they have dated the pyramids, you cannot date something that has not been alive, you can only carbonate, something that has been living, breathing oxygen, carbon based life, so stone cannot be carbon dated. The way that they have dated these pyramids, is by estimating through, you know, who was the king at what period of time, and you know, whose face is on a statue or something like that. And then here, I mean, this makes no sense at all. They also have found mice and rats inside the pyramid that are dead and mummified, and they carbon date those dead mice and rats, they might date to a four or 5000 years before present. There is nothing linking that dead rat to the origin of the pyramid. I mean, the rat could have come in 1000 years ago, you know, inside of the pyramid. But this is this is where the scientific community, they've got the story and they want to stick with it. And they're this is what I said the beginning, there's a battle for what is called the standard model. And they had this all nice and buttoned up nice and tidy, you know about the kings and the eras. So where all this is leading if the Sphinx was already existing when the ice melted, and if the Great Pyramid was made using technology and incorporating mathematics that are so sophisticated, we didn't know it until recently, where did that come from? All of this is pointing to, and it's something I've talked about extensively, is that civilization appears to be cyclic, rather than linear. So the linear model is what we're teaching our kids, we began in ancient Sumerian Mesopotamia, 5050 500 years ago. And you know, then you've got, you know, Rome and Greece and, and all of that. Well, all of that happens to have occurred within the most recent cycle. That began about 5000 years ago. And what the mathematics with the archaeology is showing is that our history appears to be closely correlated to 5125 year long cycles. And there are five 5125 year cycles that make up one big cycle called the precession of the equinox. And I know some of our astronomers and astrologers are familiar with that. For 20, it's about 26,000 years, it is related to the way that Earth is, relates to the sun and to the way that all I don't want to get too deep with all of this, but the our relationship to our solar system and the Milky Way. And if those of you that remember the 2012 phenomenon, you know, that's what this was all about. 2012 was the end of of the last, the fifth 5125 year long cycle, and the beginning of a new age, a new a new cycle that we're in right now. So when you plot that out, I didn't know we're going to talk about this, I would have brought some slides when you plot that out on a graph when you look at these 5000 year cycles. So here we are today. 2012, the beginning of a new cycle, or the end of one that began 5000 years ago. Well here's here's what's happening, archaeological discoveries now. Are are being made that precede that that 5000 year cycle. So when it first started happening, scientists said, Oh, well, these are anomalies. So you know, we've got we've got our history, and we're sure it's right. And then here's an anomaly. And we'll put it over here. We'll come back and look at it later. Well, now there are so many anomalies, the anomalies are telling the new story. So you've got places like the Gulf of combat in India, it's a three mile long, five mile wide, submerged city, it's under 120 feet of water. 9500 years before present, very sophisticated archeology, we've got Gobekli Teppei. In Turkey, that is still being excavated, and is now over 13,000 years before present. Now that the ice is melting in Antarctica, the satellites are showing complex, massive, complex structures. These aren't like little log cabins or, you know, pit houses. I mean, these are massive structures. The ice has been there for 20,000 years. So the question is, who is building complex architectural structures 20,000 years ago in Antarctica? Well, when you plot those, what you're finding is Rome and Greece and Caroll, Peru, that is the most recent 5000 year cycle. So what we've been studying, and what we've been teaching ourselves and our children is not the history of the world forever. It's the history of the world in the most recent cycle. Now we've got to start looking the 5000 year cycle before that, where we see corolle in Peru, which is now dated, it's the oldest, technologically advanced civilization in all of the Americas. It's older than the Inca than the Aztec than the old Mac than the Toltec. It's older than anything, we've got to rewrite all the history books. And next to it, another site has been found that's even older there. We're told civilization began 5000 years ago, that's when these ended, these civilizations ended when we're told that civilization began. So that's a 5000 year cycle. Now you go back, and you look at Gobekli Tepe A, so so we've got today back to about 5000 years, 5000 years to 10,000 years is another 5000 year cycle. And that's, you know, all the things shot tall you can in Turkey and Corolla, and all those. Now, we're looking Gobekli Tepe at 13,000. So now we're looking at another, we're looking at another 5000 year cycle, and now we're looking at Antarctica, another 5000 years cycle. So the evidence strongly supports cyclic civilization. And the question is what happens every 5000 years? Why did those civilizations why do we lose the memory lose the knowledge of those civilizations? And what happened? Before those simultaneous those, those five or six simultaneous civilizations? Where did they come from? Where did the knowledge for those come from? And all of that leads to a the understanding that there have been great catastrophes in our past, and one of those now is hotly contested. But the evidence is very strong for a common impact, during what is called the Pleistocene geologic era, as we were coming out of the last ice age, and that that comet plunged us back into an ice age. And that brought an end to a great advanced civilization that existed on Earth, the remnants from that became those five simultaneous civilizations, the remnants, became, you know, the pyramids in Egypt and China and induce Valley and all that. And this is why they had such similar mathematics, architecture, cosmology and things like that. So we just covered a whole lot of ground. I'll stop and let's let's go into the missing pieces here.

Alex Ferrari 29:15
Well, I mean, I've studied, I'm assuming you obviously know about the yugas. The Yuga cycles from the, from the yogi script as well, who wrote or any literally laid out exactly what you're saying that 26,000 year cycle. And the way they lay it out is that there is advanced knowledge than we lose it. Then we come back to it and everywhere between there's like little jumps here and there, but and we're now on an upward swing towards our new our new cycle is, obviously we're advancing technology technologically, we're advancing spiritually, even we're advancing even the last, hopefully in the last 30 or 40 years, how much we've advanced. It is a fascinating idea to think about what is it Where we were coming from and, and I don't want to get into why everyone's fighting this in the status quo, but it's ego and other things like that. But the main one question I'd love to talk to you about because it has not really been talked about publicly a lot. Antarctica, I've seen these these satellite images of these massive structures that could arguably, as they say, pyramids, that are bigger than the grip much bigger. Tell me what you tell me what you've learned?

Gregg Braden 30:29
No, I've seen them as well. So Antarctica is is a mystery, for a number of reasons. Number one, it is supposed to be international property that no one owns. And there were agreements signed in the early 20th century, that would not be militarized. We signed those same agreements for space, and we signed them for the moon. And both of those have been violated we, we have militarized space, we have weapons in space. And there's a lot of controversy about what has been done on on the lunar surface and how it's been done. The same goes with Antarctica, we know that China has their military base, Germany has theirs. Russia has theirs The United States has there's we've obviously militarized Antarctica, what has happened since the global warming and as a geologist, I'll just say straight up global warming is a fact that we've been talking about, we were given people a heads up that we should be moving into a warming cycle, humans didn't cause it, we've contributed to it. But if there are no humans, we would still be the geologic record shows, you know, we would still be in a warming cycle. So so the warming is happening, and it is melting this two miles of ice that has been there for about 20,000 years. And as that began to happen, it began to expose these complex structures. Now, one of the first things I learned as an as a student of archaeology, is that Nature never builds in 90 degree angles, right. And, you know, you won't see a river, like coming down, they've been, you know, doing one of these things, and, and you don't see wind eroding in a 90 degree angle. So one of the first things you look for if you're looking on another planet, or if you're looking, you know, for Lost Civilizations here on Earth, as you begin looking for these 90 evidence of 90 degree angles in, in architecture, and what began showing up in Antarctica, and again, this isn't like a little one room pit house. These are massive, complex structures with room after room after room after room, within rooms within rooms. And once those This was around 2016 2017, then Google Earth, pixelated all of that out. And if you go to look at an article right now, you will not see any of that. However, I've got pre pixelated images, showing where you can compare that the same areas, so they don't want us seeing what what it is that is is there. Why my sent? Well, a couple of reasons. First of all, it messes up the story. Remember, there's a battle, there's a battle for what's called the standard model of history. The standard model says we began primitive about 5000 years ago. And slowly, gradually, we've evolved into the pinnacle of sophistication that we have today. And it's only happened once. What the cyclic model shows is that there are different kinds of technologies Alex and and you can have an advanced technology and not have it based in transistors and resistors. There are other kinds of technologies. And my sense is that if these technologies, so I'm gonna go back as a geologist, once again, the catastrophic event theory that now has a lot of evidence of a common impact. So here's let me I'll just lay the ground here is what was happening. We were coming in the Pleistocene, we were coming out of the Ice Age and Earth was was beginning to warm as as it would cycle good. All of a sudden, and this is quick. You see this drop, where the the temperatures on the planet drop quickly and we plunge into briefly into another ice age. But what also happens during that time, is there's a rapid rise in sea levels that are happening at the same time. It doesn't make a lot of sense until you begin to look at the evidence it appears that this comment that impacted scientists have been resistant to accept this theory, because they'd say for something that big, you'd have to leave a big hole In the ground, there, assuming it was one piece that hit Earth, what we now know is there were some big pieces. And they have now found the craters in Greenland and Newfoundland. But now they have found hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of smaller craters all the way from Greenland and Newfoundland, all the way down across Europe down into South Africa. And when they go to do the, the geologic testing of the craters, what they find are high amounts of standalone platinum. This is important because first of all, Platinum is a rare element to begin with. When you find it on Earth, it is generally with another mineral called iridium. Iridium is in transition metal in the platinum family. There is no iridium, suggesting and scientists now they say this in the open literature. This is of extraterrestrial origin. It's not terrestrial geology, it's out it's it's incoming. So so this comet broke up, and scattered hundreds and hundreds, maybe 1000s of these craters. And when that happened, the ice in in the northern hemisphere, most of North America, most of northern Europe, like northern latitudes was covered in ice. There's what was called an ice wall that was holding back large amounts of water that was from the melt. This comet brought a rapid intense heat, that was enough to melt that ice wall. And there was a rapid infusion of water. So first of all it was it had a different salinity than the ocean, different temperature it infused into the Atlantic and we can see this we have records of this sea levels rose in some places, 200 feet, if you can imagine to the 200 foot sea level rise. In a very

Alex Ferrari 37:01
Disney World's gone, Disney World's gone,

Gregg Braden 37:03
Oh man, well, most of the coastal areas are gone. And and so all of this happened in a really, really very compressed period of time during a mysterious time called the dryer. You guys are the the not the yugas the Younger Dryas we're talking about the Hindu yugas it's called the Younger Dryas. dryas is the name of a flower that you typically see in certain climatic conditions. And when that flower began to to appear, in the ways that did that was where this came from. So so there's a little period of time called the Younger Dryas that, my my friend, have a couple of friends that have done a lot of document documentation on this. And, you know, there's some pushback on it, if people watching the video, Netflix series or anything like that, you know, they're talking about Graham Hancock, has done the Netflix series. I don't know if you saw this last week, the archaeological association is now petitioning to have the series if if Netflix is going to hold it, they would prefer they not show it, if they're going to show it, they want them to reclassify it from a documentary, they don't want to call the documentary, they now want to call it science fiction. Even though Yeah, because because it is now the most popular, and most viewed episode or series on Netflix. And it's giving a lot of people a lot of ideas about about our past. So it, it changes the story. But now back to Antarctica. And the reason I talked about the the influx of the water and the dropping of the temperature quickly. If this was a highly advanced, technologically sophisticated civilization, the change that we saw happen so quickly, there's a good chance that whatever technology they were using is still there, it was preserved, they didn't have time, to, you know, to Carter the way or anything. I mean, this, this is a very quick event. And that technology threatens the status quo of the technology that we have today, obsolete technologies like internal combustion engines and the burning the burning of fossil fuels to create energy. I mean, those have served us and we have made great advancements based upon that. And we're at a point now where I'm amazed that we're still using internal combustion energy and, and still burning stuff, to you know, to create that kind of energy. So I think this is the reason that they're trying to cover this up. You know, there was a film crew from Los Angeles, there was some university students and there were some professionals that went down to document what was happening. And they have not been heard from since they've disappeared. They their families suspect that they have found some of these bases and are simply Antarctica and Antarctica that they are are being held. They're not. I don't they don't know that they have died. But they if they were successful playing the basis, they probably would not have been allowed to leave. So. So Antarctica, a lot of mystery happening around Antarctica, and there's a lot of diversion away from that. Mainstream doesn't want to talk about it. They've been told not to talk about that. So

Alex Ferrari 40:40
Well, well, let me ask you this, because the Younger Dryas which Yeah, Graham Hancock is doing good doing the Lord's work in many ways, doing what he's doing over these years. And that documentary series has been, it's kind of like ignited a whole conversation about this. Yeah. But the Antarctica stuff has not been talked about too much. If there is these these, these structures that are being shown after the melt? How, because we're not this is beyond the Younger Dryas. This is this is deep into Antarctica. So that means that that that's been there for a long period of time. What is your estimation?

Gregg Braden 41:17
Well, this is this is where it gets really interesting. Where is there a mother civilization or a father civilization, depending on how you want to look at this indigenous traditions i for? for over 40 years, I've led groups into the Andes of southern Peru. We're actually in September, we're getting ready to take up it'll be my 39th trip and 36 years. In the Peru, we haven't been since COVID. It's been the indigenous. Yeah, the indigenous populations have not had really much outside contact since COVID. Their traditions, whether we're talking about the southern Andes, or we're talking about the aboriginals, or in Papua New Guinea, or Australia, or New Zealand, or you know, the American desert Southwest, the Navajo, the Hopi, they all talk about previous worlds, they all say that they are the the remnant that emerged from a previous civilization, and they almost universally, all of the stories as different as the traditions are from one another. They all tell the story of the great flood. Presumably this flood is the resulting of a rapid melting of the ice and the rising of the sea levels. And what that what that does, is when this when the ice, there was a time about 30% during the Pleistocene, about 30% of, of the surface area of the Earth was covered in ice. And what that does, where that ice comes from, it's seawater. If it's not in the sea, that means the sea levels are lower, because the waters locked up in the ice. If the water is lower, it is exposing land that connects continents land bridges, like between Alaska and Siberia, for example, where humans could presumably walk and the same

Alex Ferrari 43:21
The Philippine Islands we're all big landmass.

Gregg Braden 43:23
Exactly, exactly. So when you go back far enough the indigenous traditions talk about a continent and there are different names for this we've all heard of these we've heard of the Moriah in the Pacific, James church word and late night 1800s, early 1900s linked that with the Lost Cause of mu which would have extended from Hawaii is is the high part that remains above water today. Down to to the Malaysian Islands to the to the west and then down to Easter Island to the south. Those were all part of this massive continent and advanced civilization in the Pacific on the Atlantic side of course we hear about Atlantis and the the technology and what happened there well as again as a geologist is interesting because on the Atlantic side where Atlantis where Plato says Atlantis was is exactly at a place where three of the continental plates come is to triple junction for the continental plates, the African plate the North American plate and the the the northern plate to the side. When those plates come together, not only are are they often subducted one goes under another like right now. The Pacific Plate is being subducted by the North American plate. And that means the Pacific plate is moving underneath North amid Erika to the east. So I'm in New Mexico, just outside of Santa Fe, Colorado Rockies, the mountain ranges that we see that is the leading edge of the Pacific plate. So in other words, if if I drilled far enough down from my studio right now, I would actually hit the Pacific plate because it's being subducted. That happens sometimes. What also happens in a triple junction like this is there's an undulation that happens over time. And and both of those appear to be what is happening precisely the place where Atlantis was said to have existed. And maybe this is the answer to the question that began this conversation. When Atlantis submerged pretty quickly, the sea levels rose and they lost everything. And they sent people, they sent survivors into what they call the four corners of the world, with the knowledge that they had gained. They didn't have the tools, but they had the knowledge and they tried to replicate that in with the materials and the tools that they had. So. So this may be the answer to the question, Where did this knowledge come from. And it all links back to a catastrophic event that was was not foreseen, even by an advanced civilization, that obviously they had the knowledge they knew about the cosmos and the stars and our relationship to the stars, were Antarctica may be a little bit different, is it appears to have been even older than these other civilizations. And the the indigenous traditions, the stories, the cultural stories, say that there was a link to our cosmic family through Antarctica, and there have been reports from people who have, you know, insiders that have come through whistleblowers and things like that, that not only is there are the Advanced Structures, but possibly craft that were stuck in the ice, you know, when this happened, and if that's the case, then that implies technology that can be reverse engineered that could, could forever free us from the shackles of the fear and black and the scarcity of the kinds of technology that were that were offered today. Things like finite finite in all the technologies that technology is bringing us together right now. And the reason that the Green Revolution is not going to work, is because it is based upon the use of 17 rare earth elements in just a couple of locations on Earth, right now, in nations that are not sometimes so friendly to the west. And it's a finite, it's a relatively small to finite supply of these rare earth minerals, to make the batteries to make the copper to make the solar panels and things like they're good stepping stone, we I think we need to embrace them to move to a more sustainable form, but they are not going to be the answer. And they could be that when we find whatever is hidden in Antarctica, that it offers that technology. And that might be one of the reasons why it's it's not being shared right now. It ties into disclosure. And the reason that all the disclosure is not as forthcoming. So I don't think anybody is surprised that we're, we have a cosmic family. I mean, we, you know, I think that's pretty broadly accepted. But the implications of it advanced technology, and what it would mean, to our world today, from my perspective, it could be a beautiful thing that frees us in in a way that does just that it allows sovereignty for the individual and for society, and that is in direct opposition to the attempts to subjugate and control that are being levied right now through through technology. So yeah, well, I mean, long answer to a short question.

Alex Ferrari 49:22
Well, I mean, it's it's you know, if tomorrow morning someone woke up and said, Oh, I discovered how we could get free energy. It would be stopped instantly. It I mean, look, even the electric car in the early 2000s came out and it was working fine. And then they said no, no, no, this doesn't work with our business model and they pulled it off the market. I mean, it's it's you know, the

Gregg Braden 49:44
You know, Alex I'm gonna save my my first job out of college. I was hired. I was a geology major geophysics major. I was hired in the industry without my degree, initially, because I also had a parallel background in computer science. And in the 70s, that was pretty much unheard of computers were in, they took up a whole room, very few people knew how to talk to a computer. And I was pretty good programmer in the early programming languages. And I was hired by an energy company and I finished my degree going knights once I was working there. One of the first things that I saw when I was there is that this was 1978 79 is that there was a carburetor that would allow a gas guzzling vehicle to get over 90 miles to the gallon. And this is a 1970s. And that carburetor threatens the energy industry, because if all of a sudden cars are giving 90 miles to the gallon, you're not going to use as much gas sales are going to drop. So they bought, they bought up that patent, and they sat on it, and to the best of my knowledge, they're still sitting on it, it has never, we're not using carburetors. Now we have electric I mean, the same way, you know, we've got electronic ignition and, and different kinds of engines. But but that was an example of where a technology was developed to threaten the status quo, and to, to subdue it if they just bought it outright, and never never used it. But this is this is where we are. And this is this conversation about the ancient civilizations. It's not happening in a vacuum. It is happening within the context of a crossroad. Here we are as a civilization at a crossroad, where we're being threatened the freedoms that allow our creativity and our intuition and our imagination, to create great and beautiful things to free us as, as a society to free us as a species. Those are all now facing the just the opposite the technology that wants to control that wants to, to take away the sovereignty that we've had. So for a lot of different reasons. And we're seeing this through social media, of course, we're seeing it through the transhuman movement, the the movement, that believes that we are flawed, as a species that we need to replace our biology, with artificial intelligence, with, with gadgets, with computer chips in the brain to be to be more efficient. All this is part of the bigger conversation. And I think what it invites all of us to do we've all got to come to terms with what what is it that we value? What values do we cherish as individuals? What values do we cherish as families as communities and societies as nations as as a species, and we've got to claim those values now because that is what is being threatened. And the the the hiding of the truth, the hiding of advanced technology, the hiding of our extraordinary potentials within our own bodies, super immune system, super cognition, super memory, super learning all the things that we're told we need gadgets, or we need chemicals to do, our bodies do it even better, all the gadgets and the chemicals are mimicking what we already do in ourselves, except that we do it better. And those are the kinds of things that that are at stake. Right now we're at this very, very powerful crossroad, where if we, it's not going to last forever, this is moving quickly in one generation, we either choose to cherish and value our humaneness and our sovereignty and our freedom, or we're going to lose it as a species. And this, this is how you lose a species will become a hybrid technology, biological species, where emotions are bred out of our existence because they're inefficient. Where are memories that don't serve us become a thing of the distant past, this is exactly what the technology is doing now. And so the conversation about ancient civilizations is important. Because it tells us we do have a history you've been here longer than we've been led to believe. We've had advanced technology in the past we had to, to see the kinds of things that we're seeing right now. And I think ultimately what it says is if we have had these in the past, and we as a species if we if we have built great and beautiful things together as a species and then something happened and we lost all of that. If we came together as a family as a global family how far We go this time, with everything that we have now, we've got all that we need to create the evolutionary edge, so that we not just survived that we thrive through all of the things that we're seeing right now all the war, all the climate change, all the social change all the political change, that we've got to claim those values, I think and make those values the foundation of all the all the policies and all the laws and all the choices. So. So that's my soapbox. And, and that's why I think the past is important, Alex, because if we don't know who we are, and where we've come from, and we've made mistakes in the past, we're going to repeat those with the cycles as as they come again.

Alex Ferrari 55:43
Great. You know, I could talk to you for at least another five or six hours, please, please promise to come back. And we have another deep conversation about many of the things we kind of touched upon in this one.

Gregg Braden 55:53
Well, thank you, I want to ask you, so you and I are having this conversation. Have you had this conversation with other guests?

Alex Ferrari 55:58
I've dabbled in it. And it's it's an area that I want to start touching more upon, because my audience based on our last conversations, which we touched upon certain aspects of it. We also talked about simulation theory and other things like that. It is something that I people are super interested in and super fascinated in. And I think it's something that not only talks about our, our past as a species, but the implications spiritually that it has for everybody and where we've been spiritually, where we've in evolution of our, of our soul and our spirituality through throughout the, you know, hundreds of 1000s of years even. That is something I'm really interested in kind of diving, and we don't even touch the spirituality aspect at all.

Gregg Braden 56:41
So can we go Can we go till 10? After the hour?

Alex Ferrari 56:44
Please, please! No, yeah. long as you'd like, sir.

Gregg Braden 56:47
No, I, I did a quick text. I apologize. I texted while you were speaking just to let my next interview know, I'd be a few minutes late. Appreciate that. When we talk about spirituality, it means different things, different people. And I think there's a deeper conversation that goes beyond spirituality to use the term I'll mention, I'll define it, it goes to our divinity. And when you when you look up the term and I think we may have talked about this a little bit in our last conversation, when you look up the term divinity, a lot of people associate divinity with religion. And I can see why religion would have hijacked the term, sure, but the term divinity actually, if you look up the definition, it's interesting, it means the ability to transcend perceived human limitations, our ability to not just survive, but to become more than to thrive in the presence beyond the limitations that we may have imposed upon ourselves in the past. What's happening today is there is a movement, to keep us from our divinity, to keep us so that we feel that we are powerless victims of a world that we have no control over. And if you're a victim, that means you need a Savior. And the Savior that's being touted is technology we're being taught in our young people are being taught, all you need to do you know is to embrace this, you know, this piece of technology, this virtual reality or computer chip, there's a proposal now to implant computer chips into the brains of all newborns, to give them the edge so they can compete successfully in the world today. What's being missed, is that when our biology is replaced, by technology, if you have a computer chip working for you, it means that your neurons think they're no longer needed. And your your systems begin to atrophy. If you pump chemicals into your body for an immune response, your natural immune system says maybe you don't need me anymore, the systems will begin to atrophy, you don't have the robust systems. And this is precisely what's happening today. And this is where we lose our our sovereignty as an individual because we feel that we need something outside of us to be the best version of ourselves and to be successful in life. It's a very, very different way of thinking. And it's being done through really slick marketing. I mean, I'm aware of it, and I'm still in awe of how sexy the marketing is when I see the YouTube you know, if you watch a YouTube video, you're going to get commercials. You know, why are watching that video. And some of those commercials if I if I were you a young person then didn't know what I know. Now, I can see where they would be drawn to want to know what's wrong with a computer chip in your brain or a special

Alex Ferrari 59:53
But it goes into that whole superhuman superhero aspect of it. You're like the Iron Man you become an Iron Man. And that's conceivably, their position

Gregg Braden 1:00:01
Exactly. But this is this is where this is the battle that's coming down now for our divinity. Because do you accomplish that? By giving away your humaneness to a technology? Or do you accomplish that, by developing the potential of human biology, we don't even know what that potential is. But here here's now this is where the spirituality comes in. When you replace biology with polymers, synthetics, AI and computer chips, you have replaced DNA. With artificial technology. The DNA is the link to our spirituality, the DNA is the link to our biology because and our divinity because the DNA literally DNA, and the genes that make the DNA are literally antennae. They are soft antennae that tune us to information in the field of energy that scientists tell us underlies and connects all things. That is not controversial. Scientists are on board, there's a field underlying all existence, including us, we're in constant communication, non verbally, through energetic transactions, our DNA is picking up information. That's where intuition comes from. When you hear the voice in your head that says, this is a good thing to do, or this is not a good thing to do, or when you when you go into prayer, and you ask for help and guidance, and you receive that you receive that because it is coming through this energetic pathway. If we give away our biology, to computer chips, and synthetic technology, it might help in the moment, you're giving away your divinity, your access to your greatest potential because now you're no longer able to, to communicate through these information pathways that we're only beginning to understand. You know, this is one of the reasons cloning technology. There's a mystery to cloning. Scientists in Dali, the first sheet that was cloned, I mean others had been done. But that was the first public clone appeared to be successful at first. And then something mysterious happens, her body began to break down and she died at about 50% of the age attained by her species. And it's not a one off. All kinds of scientific articles are out there peer reviewed articles, they do this with cows now bovine cloning for for, you know, they want to breed certain kinds of cattle meat, they they clone them, first, they look fine, they might produce a couple of offspring, they will not live their full lifespan, they begin to degenerate and break down from where diseases. And what here's what they've missed, is in the cloning. There's a mismatch in the in the cloning, they they take the ovum, they pull the DNA out and put in the DNA from another animal. But that DNA still has to communicate with the rest of the cell. And it can't because it is a different DNA from another animal. There's a mismatch. And that is that is an example of what happens to humans, when we embrace, begin replacing biology. We're replacing our DNA with chips and wires and chemicals. We are actually limiting our potential we're limiting our potential because we're losing the information pathway to our divinity. That's a huge statement. And that that's the other the other part and I've just saw a series of articles on this in the science journals. A computer chip, it's definitely fast, definitely efficient, definitely logic, much more logical, maybe then human emotion. But that chip will always be limited by the physics of the stuff it's made from. Whereas a human neuron and the the cell, the cell walls of a human Well, human cells. We are scalable. And what that means is that when our neurons for example, when they reach what we used to think was the upper end of their ability to transmit information. Now the neurons adapt and are able to begin transmitting higher speeds have more information than we ever thought was possible. We don't know the upper end of our scalability. We are a highly advanced technologically sophisticated, soft technology. and I talked about a lot of other programs, the books, all kinds of YouTube videos, soft technology, we're not chips and wires and chemicals. We're cell membranes, and neurons moving ion potentials across the cell wall. And here's the beauty, you don't have to know any of it. Because we use thought feeling, emotion, belief, breath and focus. That's it. And this is what our ancestors always taught, you don't have to know the tech, because we're such an advanced tech, the interface is so simple. And that's the beautiful thing,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:33
Well we're so much more advanced than any technology that we I mean, no one has been able to no one's been able to duplicate the the insanity that is our body. It is it is our brain, how our brain works, how our cells work, how we're able to regenerate ourselves, none of it, none of it. And it sounds like from the cloning thing that you were saying that there is a failsafe in our system that they there's there's someone something in the creation of the process of what we are made of. There is a failsafe that you can't, you can't mess up messes.

Gregg Braden 1:06:05
It's, you said that so beautifully. Alex, thank you. And you know, I'm a scientist, and I believe in science. We've got to keep science honest, if science is going to serve us, and science has been hijacked by politics, religion, corporations technology, we asked science to tell us who we are. And science has done a good job. The question is, do we love ourselves enough? Do we love ourselves enough to accept the truth of what science is telling us. And the cloning experiments, I think, is one of the pathways that will lead science to understand and accept what it is that you and I are saying right now, if they are ever going to be successful in the cloning technology, they will have to accept that there's an information exchange that is happening within the cell, to a field outside of the cell, and that there has to be a match of the antenna. So just to clarify, here's what I mean. In the cell, there's a nucleus of the cell, we know there's DNA in there with a lot of people don't know is there's DNA outside of the nucleus, mitochondrial DNA. And so the the DNA and the inside has to be able to communicate with the DNA outside some people calling this junk DNA, well, it's not junk, you know, it has has as a purpose. So So I mean, just think about this, there's a communication, the DNA inside and outside the cell. So if you now take the DNA inside the cell, throw it away, and you bring in DNA from another animal, presumably the same species, but you put that in there, there's going to be a mismatch, these two can't talk to one another, they can't establish the information link the resonant Information link to the place in the field that allows them to be successful. And that's where the breakdown comes from. So when the scientific community, they will have to embrace this now, they'll never call it soul. They'll never call it spirit. They probably won't call it divinity. But it will lead them they'll have to understand this if they're ever going to be successful with the, with the cloning technology. So. So I think there is a place where we will meet with this kind of knowledge. And maybe this is the process, maybe this is how it happens. I don't know. It's It's fascinating, isn't it?

Alex Ferrari 1:08:38
I mean, like I said, I could talk to you for hours, Gregg, and I think these conversations are so important, because they are starting to plant seeds in people that might have never thought about these things. Because they've just been, you know, and you can go through they've been they swallowed, basically whatever they've been given. And, I mean, you just go back to when I was growing up that egg yolks were good, and whites were bad. And then they're like, no, no, no, no, we're kidding. No, the whites are good. Now the eggs and the yellows, but but now that like none of those kinds of like, so it's kind of it's always just something as basic of an example is that. So you have to question. And nowadays, we're not just followers, there's so much information accessible to all of us, like these conversations, that we got to start asking questions about things that are mysterious, even quantum physics. The physics community doesn't even want to accept these ideas yet, and it's like, Come on already for God's sakes!

Gregg Braden 1:09:27
Well, it's, you know, I guess want to acknowledge to our viewers, we covered a lot of ground today at a high level and maybe didn't do it justice, maybe we shouldn't have breached you know, some of the topics but but they all really are part of the same conversation. And it's about us, our potential, our relationship to the world around us. And ultimately, it's about our our ability and our willingness to love and honor. The body that we have and the history is telling us about who we have been and where What our potential is so? So the battle for our story involves these ancient civilizations. And it's it's not like a little offshoot over here. I think it's, it's central to what's happening and I really appreciate you I had no idea this is unscripted. Obviously, I have no idea what we're going to talk about today. And, and I appreciate you choosing this particular topic, because I do think it's, it's important, and maybe we laid the foundation for Alex and Greg. Volume three.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:30
Yes, I hope so. My friend, we definitely gotta get you back on the show, Greg. I know you're busy. Man. I know you gotta go. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Is there anything, anywhere that people want to find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing with it, though?

Gregg Braden 1:10:42
You know, they, first of all, I have a dedicated YouTube channel so that the work cannot be sliced and diced and misrepresented as it is when it's not on that channel. So Gregg Braden on YouTube, and there's only one official channel where we talk about love these things in more detail and much more. As well as just go to the website,,, and trips to Peru, you know, speaking engagements all over the world, things like that. So Alex, thank you so much for the work you do. Thank you for your trust, my friend and for sharing me with your community. I'm honored and I look forward to part three.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:25
I appreciate you my friend. Thank you again.

Gregg Braden 1:11:27
Thanks so much. Take care!

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