Using Movies to Spiritually Awaken with David Hoffmeister & Alex Ferrari

Mystic David Hoffmeister is a living demonstration that peace is possible. His gentle demeanor and articulate, non-compromising expression are a gift to all. He is known for his practical application of the non-dual teachings necessary to experience the Unified Mind. His clarity about the function of forgiveness in spiritual awakening and his radical use of mindful movie-watching in the release of judgment is unsurpassed. The purity of the message he shares points directly to the Source. For over 35 years, David has traveled to 44 countries across 6 continents to extend the message that Truth is available for everyone now.

David’s message speaks to all people, regardless of their religious, spiritual, or scientific background. He is as comfortable delving into the metaphysics of the movie “The Matrix” as he is in pointing to the underlying meaning of the scriptures in the Bible.

David’s own journey involved the study of many pathways, culminating in a deeply committed practical application of “A Course in Miracles,” of which he is a renowned teacher. His teachings have been translated into 13 languages and taken into the hearts and minds of millions through the intimate style of his books, audio, and videos.

The mystical experience is one of clarity, great joy, deep peace, and tranquility–it ends the world of duality and conflict forever. The experience is not of this world but radiates from within. It is not a concept; it comes into awareness when all concepts have been laid by.

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Alex Ferrari 0:00
We have to have the downs in order to appreciate the UPS because if it was just up all the time in this in a movie sense, if the hero won all the time, without any adversity, it's a boring movie. We've seen those movies. The best movies are when the villain is so good or the adversity is so good that they have to overcome it.

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David Hoffmeister 1:08
I'm so grateful to have my friend Alex Ferrari today, who is going to be sharing beautiful insights from a very interesting perspective on spirituality and storytelling and moviemaking. So Alex, thank you so much for coming on live today.

Alex Ferrari 1:28
Oh, thank you so much for having me, my friend, I really appreciate it. When you reached out to me, I'm like, Oh, absolutely. Any chance I get to talk about movies, and my god, spirituality as well, at the same time is, I'm in heaven. So let's get let's get into it. It's just this is great.

David Hoffmeister 1:42
It's beautiful. Because I know I've had such a love for movies, all my life. And I'm so grateful and appreciative for all the great movies that have touched my heart. And I used to I mean, I would go around the world and out to Hollywood and things different times. And people don't always say, you know, did you meet any directors, producers, movie stars. Occasionally I do run into somebody here and there. But but we have a great chance today because of the angle that you come at. Because you're basically in the business of, of moviemaking, and you do work with writers, directors, producers, you're in the business of filmmaking. And you're also very excited about spirituality, you have such an open mind and an open heart. So to me, that is absolutely fascinating. I even saw an interview with Carrie Anne Moss, you know, years after the making of the matrix, and she was saying, oh my god, it changed my life. She said I wasn't aware of the depth and the how profound the ideas were in the movie until after the movie was made. And then it's now her whole life is, is gone in a much deeper spiritual direction than me as well as being a mom and having a family like you have. So she's got a very interesting perspective from inside the business. So tell us a little bit about about your perspective on on how you see movies and, and storytelling being used by this by the Spirit?

Alex Ferrari 3:25
Well, I'll tell you this, that I've been in the business now coming up close to 30 years. I know it's impossible, because I look like I'm 25. But But I have been in the business about 30 years, and I've done everything in the business that you could possibly do from producing, directing, writing. I've done feature films, I've done television, and all that kind of stuff. And then about seven and a half years ago, I started a new journey, podcasting, the insanity. I mean, who does that? And I started podcasting in the filmmaking and screenwriting space. So I would start reaching out to filmmakers and producers and screenwriters and actors and start talking to them. And for years I would was in the kind of like the indie world mostly, and I still am for a very much part. But then one day, Oliver Stone showed up. And I was able to get Oliver Stone on my show. And that was a very interesting conversation because Oliver Stone is the legendary, you know, he's on the he's up there is on top 20 You know, filmmakers of all time. He's one of those amazing creatives. And from that moment on, the door swung open and I started getting these very big time Oscar winners and, and Emmy winners and all these people showing up. And what I found really interesting about it is because I would ask them questions that they don't normally wouldn't get asked about spirit. I was asking about spiritual questions before I even knew that I was asking about spiritual questions, which was really interesting to me. If you go back and listen, I was going deeper, much, much deeper than any of the superficial kind of like, you know, et style that questions they would ask. And it's fascinating that my fascination with their stories is because I was always wondering, at that level, what it's like to tell stories to use stories to, to struggle to get to where you want to be. And it was extremely fascinating. I found out that so many of them were spiritual. I had, I'm going to drop names throughout this conversation, so please forgive me. But I was talking to Eva Longoria, on on on my next level soul podcast. And she, I asked her, How did you get to, like, become an actress? And she's like, I was called Luffy. That in my family, which is the ugly one.

David Hoffmeister 5:49
Oh, my God, is she and

Alex Ferrari 5:51
she was and that was the programming interactions like I'm ugly. What am I gonna do? And it was the sisters, her mother, everybody was just like, oh, Allah feta. And one day, she gets into a modeling competition, because she wanted books for colleges, so she get free books as you want. And she's like, oh, I want a modeling contest. Or mom's like, okay, that's don't go too far with that. I mean, come on, you are on a fee. Because like, Yeah, but I gotta go now to like Houston, because now I'm part of like the Miss Texas competition, because I want this local ones, I have to kind of go to that one, too. She's like, all right. And she went to that one and won that one. And the trip and the Winford. The winner of that was a trip to LA. So she went out to LA when she got there. She was like, Oh, I guess I'm gonna be an actress. And that was it. She got one way ticket, didn't come back home, and just started her journey. And she was hustling there for a while. And then she got into. And then she got Desperate Housewives, which was a funny story, how she got that. And then the rest, as they say, is history. But it was just, I've just found I always love seeing those stories of how people get to where they are. And I was talking to Stephen Simon, who was the producer of what dreams may come? Yes. Which is one of my favorite, favorite spiritual film. And I don't know if you knew this or not, that film took 20 years to make. He had the the galley of that book in 1980, when he was just finishing up somewhere in time with Christopher Reeve. And it took him years. And it was only when Robin Williams agreed to do it, that the door swung open. And they gave him just like $90 million, which is an absurd amount for a story of that size. And they went off and made that amazing film. And it's one of those films which takes another that film takes such a heavier place in my heart because of what happened to Robin afterwards. But Stephen is a perfect example of using story to propel spirituality with something like some somewhere in time what dreams may come and another film, he was a very integral part of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Yeah.

David Hoffmeister 8:03
He took it completely the spiritual cinema network, wow. He just did a whole spiritual cinema network just out of that. It's funny, you mentioned what dreams may come because I just did a live today I very seldom do too, but I mentioned what dreams may come and I was talking about Robin Williams and out of those Scorsese. And today, example you bring up to oh, this is one of my favorites, you know, the minds and the vastness.

Alex Ferrari 8:33
It is such a beautiful representation of the journey of the soul. And you know, they took some creative license with some parts of it, but the part of his own personal heaven, the colors and that it is I mean from interviewing so many near death experiencers and people who've, you know, experienced that that's similar to what they the stories I've heard, so it's really fat. It was a fascinating, a facet fascinating story. And the matrix is on my top three up there with Shawshank Redemption, as which are both very spiritual in its in their storytelling. I would love to get Frank Darabont who wrote Shawshank on the show one day just to talk to him about it because that movie is so spiritual, but yet no one really thinks it is. It is. Reppert, in my opinion a representation of the souls journey. And cuz I always I always just kept wondering, why does that movie Kinect? Horrible title, horrible title? Not a good pitch. Presumably, you know, it's not a good pitch. It's not something like dinosaurs roaming the earth. That's a good pitch. You know, but this is not a good pitch. And yet it's ranked as one of the top movies of all time most beloved movies of all time. And I always wondered why and I've spent I I was thinking about that film and understanding how that story was in. And I've talked to other filmmakers who knew who know Frank and who were involved with the making of that film. And I was like, my feeling is about that story is that it is a it is the reason why I connect so much is because he's falsely imprisoned. Many of us think we're falsely imprison, we've been wronged in some way in life, so that we connect automatically with that. Then the journey of his of his journey inside when he walks in, he's one way fairly arrogant, when it comes to scared, but still a little arrogant, doesn't think, like red said, he's like, walked around like there wasn't a care in the world. The very, it was just one of those things. So as he kept going through his experiences, horrible things happen to him. Funny thing, it's the story of life. So those 25 years or whatever mental time he was in there, it seemed like a journey of life, because there was a lot of ups and downs left and right, but more downs than ups. But when he discovered now, this is where I go deep, this is my own personal interpretation of it. When you go when he discovered that he can break out. By the way, anyone that listening, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, you're on Shawshank Redemption. It's 9094. Not my fault if you haven't seen it. Especially if you're watching this. And David, I mean, come on, David spoken about this movie. But when when he starts to figure out that he can scratch and do the weight, it's such a beautiful representation of awakening the soul to the reality of where we are today. Because it's not easy. It took him how many years like 12 years, with a little pick x, little thing just going little by little. And that is the development that is the process of enlightenment. That is the process of a have awakening to the reality of where we're at, which is not that this is a maya, this is an illusion. This is the matrix. This is not real. But when he found out that the truth was that awakening and the work that he had to go through because it's not enlightenment is not easy. I don't know if I'm sure you're aware. You know, Jesus was walking the planet for 30 years or 29 years before he showed up to start preaching. So he went through some stuff. We don't know exactly what but he went through some stuff. So it was a journey to get to the place where where we get to enlightenment, and then the representation of him going through breaking through then literally having to crawl through two and a half miles of crap. to then get reborn. And then literally at the end, it's yeah, he's in heaven. He's literally it's isn't it looked like heaven? Yeah. So that is the represent. That's how I analyze that film. And I think that's one of the reasons why connects so deeply with people. What's your opinion on it?

David Hoffmeister 13:05
Yeah, well, the funny thing is now that's the second movie I talked about this morning. I talked about what they got. And then the first one I was talking about was Shawshank Redemption. And then I was also talking about the movie hurricane well over Washington, because in both cases, they're accused of something that they didn't do. And then both of them have spent years and years in prison and then keep the faith of their innocence, but also go through a character transformation I noticed in dens else the hurricane I saw a book of Krishna Murty in there in the cell. So, you know, it's it's showing those So symbolically. And the funny thing was, it was only a couple of months ago, I have another friend named Alex who's into the course and quantum physics. And he went up to the to the prison where they shot it. And he did a whole YouTube walking through the prison and and describing all the details of it because he's into A Course in Miracles, quantum physics and spiritual awakening. And I think he took a little relative of his a little girl and they both went through it. But I got onto that today because I have a print. I have a man who's in prison. And he's in in Ohio where Shawshank Redemption was shot. And he's been corresponding with me for some years and women for murder. He murdered a man. And so the flip side of of I'm innocent, and there's something deep about going through the darkness and coming into some kind of an escape. And this man, Dale has been in prison and he's been corresponding with me and corresponding plus my friends, I did a whole retreat. And I mentioned him and I went through his letter, which was so beautiful of applying my teachings and of course in miracles in prison for he's been in there for decades for murder and having these huge spiritual awakenings. And he typed his letter in red letters. So I was doing a whole retreat on it one time, and I was crying and everybody was crying, and I said, if you want to write to this guy, please do. People started sending him letters. He started a prison ministry and the time in the Chela coffee. He's in there for many years. And now he's even got that he started a movie ministry and in a forgiveness movie ministry inside the prison. It's amazing, all of this just from us following our heart. So I totally relate to that, because I'm feeling like, we're here to discover our innocence. But we seem to have to uncover a lot of unconscious darkness to do that. And I think filmmaking and storytelling just is the way Jesus spoke in parables. So I think we're kind of queued into that many centuries later, is there something in us that's kind of doing it through us without us being consciously aware of what this presence is?

Alex Ferrari 16:24
Yeah. And it's so interesting, because I've had the opportunity to speak to so many of the story gurus of Hollywood, I mean, I've spoken to pretty much every one has ever written a big book, or even small books, I've written hundreds, probably hundreds of these gurus. So I've got to talk about story a lot in the intricacies of how it's built, the structure, the blueprint of the foundational storytelling, and also, you know, mythology, and all of that. And it was obviously the great Joseph Campbell, who put all these stories together to create, or to at least point out to us about the hero's journey. And there's a reason why we're drawn to that story so much. It's not the only story, but it is a majority of this, the popular movies all fall into this kind of hero's journey. The male hero's journey, there is a divide. There's a female journey, which is different the virgins journey, which I just discovered the other day speaking to a script consultant or script author talking about and it was like, Oh, my God, she's like, it should have completely different because the female Hero's Journey is very different than the male's Hero's Journey once more about conquering the outside. And the females is much more conquering the inside. And it was very, very fascinating. But one of the reasons why we are constantly drawn to those films is because we ourselves go through hero's journeys, every day. And throughout our lives. There's ups, there's downs, there's obstacles, there's tricksters, all the other main people that Joseph Campbell says, we have the mentor, we have the trickster, we have the villain, or the antagonist, who stops us all these, that is part of our journey. And we're here to understand that and to grow from those obstacles. Because I think it was I forgot who said this, I heard this maybe one of my interviews, they said, Imagine if you were born in France, and you were born to one of the greatest chefs in the world. And he had a restaurant in the middle of the countryside somewhere. And people from around the world would come to taste and eat at that restaurant. For them, it would be the most amazing thing that ever tried. For you, it's dinner, because you would have no other reference point to you would just be daft all I had. So you have to kind of eat McDonald's to understand the taste of that kind of sorry, for all of you that love McDonald's. But you have to eat that kind of food to understand the elegance of the food that she was born into. And it's so we have to have the downs in order to appreciate the UPS because if it was just up all the time, in this in a movie sense, if the hero one all the time without any adversity. It's a boring movie, we've seen those movies. The best movies are when the villain is so good, or the adversity is so good that they have to overcome it. And there's a balance there because if the villains too strong and there's no chance, then the story sucks.

David Hoffmeister 19:34
Yeah, decade of endgame too though with the Marvell rare where the villain wins and all the heroes lose and little boys and girls left crying and like oh my god, we got psychiatric problems on our hand. Do you have the villain when and all the

Alex Ferrari 19:54
Infinity War? Yeah, at the end of Infinity War? Yes. The second one right before the end game. Right. Yeah, it It ended on a down note, because the villain was so powerful they couldn't figure it out. But then that's the beginning. If those two movies are supposed to be seen kind of together, that's like the middle ground. Don't stop. Don't stop after that. Encounter.

David Hoffmeister 20:17
The opposite of spoiler we're saying, now go one more step to the next movie, please

Alex Ferrari 20:23
write exactly. And look. And at the end of the game, at the end of that movie, spoiler alert on our Avengers end game for anyone who hasn't seen it. Everybody has to all the superheroes from multiple dimensions have to come to fight Thanos and his and his powers. And at the end, it's literally just one man who makes a sacrifice. That is the thing that stops it all. Yeah. So again, it was very religious, very Messiah. Like it's also again, like Neo and matrix. It's all you know, the one all that kind of stuff. And it was in I won't say who it is, but it's one of the more arrogant people, heroes and most fun my opinion, heroes in the Marvel Universe. But those, what they did in the Marvel Universe specifically, is I always ask about the Marvel Universe to screenwriters and to storytellers at a high level, because I'm like, What are they doing that so right? Because love him or hate him there. There's a lot of people who watch those movies. And it's not just a spectacle, there's something deeper in there. They're attaching to something. Because it's we've seen spectacle, and movies bomb $200 million movies bomb, because it's all spectacle or no story. So they're doing something and at the end of endgame, it really was this combination of 12 years, or a decade, I think 10 or 12 years over, I don't know, 10 or 12 movies that got to that point, that kind of storytelling is such scale that no one's ever done in Hollywood history. But people are, we all know what's going to happen. It's like, we know they're gonna win at the end, there's no real danger that they're not except for that one movie that left us low hanging, but we still keep coming back to it. Because we're going through that we're feeling the adventure of it. And that's very much like the souls journey. The soul is coming down here to experience this experience. And we all know how it's going to add to soul, the soul is everlasting. We know the ending. Yeah, every soul makes it back to God, we all had a happy ending. But we're going through the adventure, and we're going through the ups and the downs and the adversities, and the things that happened to us and all the negative and the positives and all of that stuff. But it's so it's it's really interesting. If you start analyzing storytelling with the souls journey, it's very similar. It's that's why plays were so popular. That's why people around the campfire telling stories is so popular without story, we have no reference point, we need story to identify to is to guide us through what we're doing. Because when we first get here, it's pretty we're pretty lost in when people are still lost. We're still trying to figure this out. This is not, you know, like, this is the only way to go. And like there's a lot of nuance to this. Yeah, it's experience.

David Hoffmeister 23:25
That's it. I know, I've followed these movies like you, and I'm just so grateful for them. But there was one year I think it was 2014 when a bunch of these movies came out of like, and I went over to a movie theater with a group of people. And I said, well take your pick, there's like seven of the all time great spiritual awakening movies, they all happen to be out at the same time, for the first time in history. And it was like 2014. So I would do a lot of talks and things. One of them was The Lego Movie, did you get a chance to see the layers? Yes. The thing was the superheroes, Batman, Superman, this and that. And then this simple little Lego character, you know me, you know, who's who in the end has to be used to get them to all collaborate, because a lot of our superheroes are very individualistic. And of course, the Marvel movies, you know, start to bring that theme in, obviously, with bringing everybody together. And I think that's just amazing. The thing that's been interesting to me is that, you know, I worked with A Course in Miracles. And I know you're a little bit familiar with that. So, so it's kind of like with with our topic today. What does Jesus Christ have to say and add to that? Well, I read through the course with 31 chapters, and if you get back and he gets deeper and deeper as you go through these chapters, he has one section in the course that's called the hero of the dream. And he says the serial adventures of the body is what this whole world is about. He calls them serial adventures, right? Very interesting of because we know the body seems to go through many adventures over many, many centuries. And if you use reincarnation, you can get many experiences of the body. But then he moves on and uses a contrast to that whole hero's journey, and the hero of the dream. And he shifted into the dreamer of the dream, which is more when you listen to the great non dual teachings, and they talk about pure awareness or watching the dream observer, the witness self, the Observer Self, you know, we've seen it in a lot of the literature over the centuries, he's saying, he says, You are the dreamer of the world of dreams. No other cause doesn't have or ever will. And he goes, launches from the hero of the dream, to the next level. So of dreamer of the dream. So it's kind of interesting. Because of that perspective, which is really about transcendence. We're not trying to say, Oh, it's just a piece of cake, just twiddle your nose, like can be wedged or click your heels together, like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, and just say three times, there's no place like home, and then your home. It seems to be through the darkness to the light, but But it's great to have that perspective. I love that title of your podcast next level. So because that's where you start, you start on the level of the practicalities, you start on the level of what everybody's going through. And then the goal, the inspiration of the podcast, I guess, with all these great actors, actresses, filmmakers, writers, directors is, what did you go through? And it sounds like even with Eva, you were talking earlier, like, it's this kind of a destiny to it like, so you. You're told that when you're growing up, and you enter a beauty contests in Texas, and then you hit and then you go to Hollywood, and you just, Oh, um, to be an actress? You know, not even an aspiration, almost like dropped down into her awareness.

Alex Ferrari 27:16
Yeah, it is. You know, I've had the pleasure of talking to so many people about their life's journey, closing in about 1000 of these episodes at this point. And it is fascinating to see because that's the thing that keeps me fascinated with a lot of these interviews is because every story is different. Every story is different. Everyone's journey is different, Mike and I always ask how do you keep going with it when the dream is not happening for you. So many of us want to have a dream. And that dream doesn't happen exactly the way we want it to happen. I have found in my interviews that it never happens the way you want it to. We are not that smart. God, the universe source whatever you want to call him, or her has a much better plan for us. So an example of my story. When I was younger, I got on a show called Project Greenlight. I remember I remember that show from the early 2000s Ben Affleck Matt Damon, they had a show on HBO, where filmmakers would compete to get on the show and make a movie for with them as a producers. By the way, the years later, I interviewed the producer of that show, and first words, I'm like, Why didn't I get on the show? First question in season two, man, why didn't I get in. But I made it all the way to the top 10 I think a top 15 I didn't make it on the show was only on for like five seconds or something like that. But I thought it was devastated at that time. And then few like a year after that came out. I'm like, Oh my God, thank God, I didn't get on that show. Because it would have ruined me. And then a few years later, another show Steven Spielberg's show came up, I made it to them was the top 10 of that didn't make it. And I said, Oh my God, thank God, I dodged the bullet. But at the moment, I thought my life was over. I was like, oh my god, this is never gonna happen. So I was very angry for longtime following my dream was I was working by the way, I was a working director, but I wasn't at the level I want to because in my mind, success was not what I was doing. So if you change the definition of success for you, which should be the process of doing the work that you're doing, not the outcome of the work, Van Gogh painted because he loved painting not because he sold it for $100 million. And that switch in mindset completely changed my life. So where I you know, when I started the podcast that I met you on, I started from nothing from nowhere no one knew me from from Adam in the spiritual space. And I was just like, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna do three Have these a week because I'm crazy. And I'm going to keep pumping them out. And I'm just going to keep going. And I love it and see what happens. And I'm at 130, I think now 140 episodes of that right now. And it's the show has really grown to it's it's growing so fast. I never thought it would grow this fast. And in a very short amount of time, but I didn't have an outcome attached. I didn't say, oh, I need to be this. And, and I mean, could you imagine like opening up a spiritual podcast and go, I need to be rich and famous. Can you imagine like, I need to be the humblest of all humble, like it's like. So I didn't have an outcome to it. But it took me years to get to this place to be able to do something like that, you know, five years ago that Alex would have never been able to even have this conversation with you. Yeah, so that's part of the journey that I've been able to see. But you're right destiny. When you find what you're supposed to do, the feeling that you have inside is undeniable. And it's not having to do with money, money is irrelevant to the scenario. It's about how you feel. So when I started the podcast, I started to feel a little differently. But when I really changed is when I started doing my spiritual podcast, I was like, Oh, this is why I'm here. Okay, I need to be doing this. This is this is what I'm here to be doing. I'm here to spread the word, I'm here to spread this message to the masses. This is what I'm supposed to, in this is my mind, this is what I'm feeling in my meditations in my own my own soul. Not in a grandiose way. But just in a in a whim. This is where how I could serve. And whatever happens happens. But I'm trying to get it out to the masses. I'm trying to help people, I'm trying to elevate the vibration of the entire system of humanity. As we're as we're going through this insane awakening we were going through right now, David, which is pretty intense, to say the least.

David Hoffmeister 32:00
I love the symbology of you just pouring your heart out, sharing all these things you've gone to and right over your right shoulder is the love sign. And then the Golden Buddha is ever every time you do lean one way the end, you're talking the gold Buddha coming in. Like that's like the symbolic of the love and the presence behind everything behind the dream behind all the serial adventures, and, and how the spirit seems to be directing it, where the humans may think, oh, I want to be a great director, I could get on this show. Or I could qualify when or I'm in the top five, then I'll become a little more known. And then you're being used as a podcast with Eva lungomare, with all these people, Oliver Stone, you know, people that have important things to share, which is what's behind what was the motive, what was what was going on in their mind what was going on in their heart when they were making the movie, which is really I think that that is very uplifting for people because we tend to make icons and idols out of people and think that the icons and idols are living some kind of a high life. And when you interview, you see, oh my gosh, everybody's going through the trials and tribulations. And we can learn a lot from how they made it through.

Alex Ferrari 33:24
There's one of my favorite interviews I've done on next level soul which was with a man. His name, I think was David as well. And he forgive me if it wasn't David, but if whoever's listening but he the story about him is really interesting that he went to India on a filmmaking job. And during there he was the sound guy doing a documentary or something. And while he was there, he broke up with his girlfriend, his girlfriend broke up with him left him and he was so devastated. He didn't know what to do. So as far as like, Oh, my Rishi is speaking about meditation. He's like, what's meditation? And this is, uh, this is in the 60s. And he went to visit the Maharishi and he's like, Okay, this is this is my path, I need to learn meditation, I need to heal from this pain. So he went to the he went to the My Rishis ashram, he knocked on the door and said, I'm here to learn how to meditate. And they said, I'm so sorry, we can't let you in. The Beatles are here. And he's like, I'm in pain, I need to help. He's like, look, you can stand a tent outside. We'll bring you our vegetarian meals. When we have a moment we'll let you in. If there's even a possibility of that. Is that okay? So it's there. They're eight days outside eating, you know, lentils and rice and all that stuff. And then he's like, okay, come in. So he walks in and says, such amazing story. He walks in. He's like, let me teach you how to meditate. So they teach him TM, transcendental meditation. And then, you know, five minutes he's there quickly, and he meditates for a couple hours or something. And then he comes out of the meditation And he's all blissed out. And he's just like, you know, endorphins are running, Everything's beautiful. And he's walking out into the, into the ashram. And often the distance he starts walking towards this table is called this picnic table. And he's like, Oh, that's the Beatles. All the Beatles are there with their girlfriends or wives. And as he's walking, he's still kind of out of it. But his heart starts beating really fast. Because I think subconsciously is like, you're walking towards the Beatles. And for everyone reference point, the Beatles in 1964, were pretty much the most famous human beings on the planet. Is that a fair statement, David?

David Hoffmeister 35:36
fair statement.

Alex Ferrari 35:39
So they're the biggest, you know, humans on the planet, essentially. And they're, they're, you know, meditating with them Irish. So as he's walking over, he goes, Alex's is the only there's only two times it's ever happened to me, a voice came into my head because I started to panic a little bit as I got closer to them. And a voice came into my head is like, they're just like you. They're human beings. They're afraid of the dark and they fart. And that just to bring them back down, because you were saying idols, idols, we all are free to talk. So it's just a beautiful, poetic way to say, we're all the same. Yeah, we all got to do the same things, you know. So we got there. And they had a funny interaction. And John Lennon was like, you know, busting his balls a little bit. And he and he busted his balls back. And then Paul McCartney is like, Oh, calm down. And he stayed there for about eight or 10 days. And then he took photos. He's not a photographer. He just has like, Hey, can I take photos of you guys? And he's taking pictures of them writing. Sergeant Pepper's Sergeant Pepper album, he's right there. But they're writing the songs. They wrote like 20 songs there. But nobody was allowed in all the press wasn't allowed in because it's the Beatles. And I think one of the Beach Boys was there. And Pharaoh was there. And it was like, can you imagine just walking in to this experience? And he became friends with them. You know, for the time they were there. He took all these pictures. And the years later, his daughter goes, Hey, Dad, didn't you take pictures of the Beatles? He goes, Yeah. But he put the roll away. He never thought about 30 years later. And he went hunting for them and found it found it found the pictures the last place he found he almost gave up last place he found he got the pictures, he took it as other bees. And they said this is these are almost priceless because no one took pictures inside the ashram at this moment in the history of the Beatles. So it was just a wonderful story. But I tell that story to kind of humanize idols and the Beatles are arguably of the 20th century, the biggest some of the biggest idols ever created by society by World Society. I mean, there was no place you couldn't go and not know the Beatles to this day. You might my daughters know who the Beatles are. They're young. So it's, it's an as I've been able to talk to more and more of these movie stars and big time directors and Oscar winners and things like that, I realized how human they truly are. Like I had I spoke to Eric Roth, the writer Forrest Gump, and dune and a million Curious Case of Benjamin Button and a million other movies that he's written. And he tells me he still gets nervous, like you can nervous he goes, Yeah, when I get in front of that, that blank screen. I'm not sure. And I always and I was like, Wow, maybe I could, but you've, you've won Oscars. You've like, You're a legend. He's like, I'm still I still have my problems with it. I saw. And I always love asking writers specifically to go, when you write, where does it come from? And that was a big one was Do you feel like you're channeling something? When you when you are writing is that? Oh, absolutely. Sometimes, you know, when you write your writing, and then you just when you're done writing you like you read it, you're like, Well, that's good. I don't know who wrote that. But that's really good. And most of them acknowledge a higher part religious or not religious, on a creative Muse standpoint. Whatever word they understand that they're funneling through, I got to speak to Bruce Dickinson. I don't know if you know, Bruce Dickinson is he is the lead singer of the world famous band Iron Maiden, you know, Iron Maiden. So, you know, their heavy metal band and you know, all that kind of stuff. And I had a deep spiritual conversation with him on my show. And I said, Bruce, what is it like singing to 100,000 people, because most of us will never understand. Being in front of 100 because all that love all that attention is all on you. Like how do you handle it? And how do you prepare for it and I go when you're singing at that level Is it coming through you? Because Oh, absolutely. I'm just there. I just kind of just opened my mouth and something comes through and it's not me. And I was like, wow, how that's so amazing that he just like, he acknowledges it. And the one thing I've noticed, the bigger the person, the more they understand and acknowledge what's happening. Like Spielberg said that to me is like, when I have an idea, I either have to act on it because I know someone else is gonna take it. There's a story of and I'll keep talking, so please forgive me. But there's a story I heard of Prince. What a wonderful story. He had. He was legendary for writing he wrote, I think he has, he can release a new album into the year 3000. That's how many how many songs he left behind when he died. And they are releasing a new album every year. And so he was just record at any odd hour whenever inspiration hitmen and he called up his backup singer at two o'clock, or three o'clock in the morning goes, Hey, Bob, are you ready? prints up sleeping? He's like, come down to the we need to record this. He's like, Can it wait three hours? Can I get there at six because now we gotta record it now because if I don't record it, Michael Jackson's gonna get it.

David Hoffmeister 41:16
The good download.

Alex Ferrari 41:19
If we don't grab it, it's just going to keep going until it finds a place to get out. Because that idea needs to get out now. That song needs to get out. Now that story needs to get out. Now. Isn't it interesting that how stories come into our Zeitgeist at certain periods of time when they're ready to be birth. And if you don't, that's why you've ever noticed that, like, there's two or three meteors hitting the planet movies that all of a sudden just show up. Yeah, but at the same year, like, and before, nobody was talking about that, or these. It's interesting, because that idea came and it got grabbed, and it needs to get out into the world for whatever reason, the matrix, you know, the matrix came at literally the turn of the century, and is one of the most prolific, profound stories, you know, that cinema has ever put out? In my opinion on a spiritual experience?

David Hoffmeister 42:16
Yeah, it's kind of fascinating that as we talk more, and you talk about these interviews, you had that it's it occurs to me that in some way the the world is backwards and upside down, like Forrest Gump, kind of everybody related to it. And he was so simple. And, and I look at the things that that people aspire to, like fame and money and possessions, or different types of achievements, and notoriety and status. And it can be physical beauty, or it can there's different aspects of the diamond but but I think it seems like the, the the stories about going home or remembering home, et phone home with the finger and, and the Wizard of Oz. And of course, there's so many movies, the matrix, you are the one, you know, the prophecy from Morpheus, that it seems like our reality is just been covered over and hidden by a very complex matrix of images. And now, if we live in a time where Elon Musk and a lot of scientists I read recently that there's about 80% of scientists now believe that, that this world is a simulation. Yes. That's amazing. Because they don't know where the simulation is coming from, they have their own ideas. Like maybe it's a future guy in a future race, who's kind of playing with like, like, with a magnifying glass of burning handsome? Yeah, you know, but, but with A Course in Miracles, you know, we get this idea that that's an ego that invented time and space and Maya and, and we even have great quantum physicists, like one of the first ones was Albert Einstein, who said, you know, you can live life one of two ways that either nothing is a miracle or everything is a miracle. That's pretty profound coming from a scientist. That sounds like it could come from Japan, or shares or something. And it's coming from Albert Einstein. So he was he was receiving the ideas and he, you know, when he when they started to find this connectedness, this energy that was that permeated all time and space, you know, that's when he wrote he called it spooky action at a distance when you put that spooky word in. It kind of shows that there's a fear of love of fear of connectedness maybe we've put all these other attributes to fame and fortune and achievement and accomplishment. As top goals that people pursue in the dream world, but then it seems like there's these moments of simple joy, where you're just sitting there with with your child or sitting out at what looking over a canyon, but the lemonade in your hand, and suddenly you've overcome with such joy that you can't even speak of it. It's unspeakable. So it's, it's, I think that's why what we're doing is talking, conversing, communicating and sharing, you know, what is it that that you've discovered, because I think we're all going to discover the same soul that there's one soul. But the sameness is what's real. And the differences are what seem to be bringing the competition and the pride and you know, the pursuits. It's like, being on a treadmill, and just running, running to achieve something. And then your, your life's a demonstration of, you're having so much fun on next levels. And it was something just dropped in, it was not one of your pursuits.

Alex Ferrari 46:05
Oh, my God, people had told me this years ago, I would have said, what podcasting? And then what podcasting in the spiritual space, like I don't even like, I mean, I went to Catholic school. That's all. That's all. I remember. I don't know any of that. So just fascinating how the world works. And then we'll go back to what you said about simulation. This is called simulation theory. It is an idea that gets kind of brought into the zeitgeist by the matrix, the matrix was the first big movie that kind of brought that idea into the world. And there's some quantum physicist who did the math, and they wrote a paper and they said, it is a possibility, that we are in a simulation, which is what the Hindus and the Jains have been saying, in the apana shots for years, this is my this is an illusion, all great. You know, all great spiritual leaders are saying, this is not this is not it, this is not the right thing, you have to look beyond this, this is an illusion. And I think that one of the things I hear so much about is the law of attraction and, and being able to, you know, control your, your your world, essentially. And if you take the idea, and this is where I've learned from yogic philosophies, and, and ideas, if you take the idea that this is all an illusion, that we are in a simulation, everything that you do in your life, you kind of have control of based on your own intention, your own mind. And as you get older, you start to realize that and to certain extent, if not the full extent, that's true. Because you do manifest things into your life that come in good and bad. And the term good and bad is also relative, there is pot I've heard the term positive, negative, better than good and bad, because we're good and bad is a moral stance, as opposed to a, you know, an actual stance. And anytime anyone asked me, well, what's the difference between like, How can you say, good and bad or not? His perspective, I go, let's say you get into a car accident. And it's a, you know, bumper, you know, just a quick little scratch or something like that, but it's going to take some money to fix. Well, the person who got into the accident is what's bad. But the person who's going to fix the car is good. So it's all relative to the perspective, the accident is what it is, it has no moral attachment to it. And if you can look at a lot of the things that happen to our in our lives that way. It changes perspective, these are just small adjustments that I've learned along my path to help me cope with this insanity. This is insane. Yogananda Paramahansa Yogananda the Great, the great mystic said such and it goes right back to what we're talking about movies, because he was around at the birth of movies. And he was he went to the movie theater, and he saw these beautiful movies. He's like, this is beautiful. This is what we're at. So all of us are focused on what's on the screen, and people die. And things happen. And there's war and there's love, and there's this. And that's all on the screen. And that's where all of our attention is he goes. But what you need to do is turn around and look where the light is coming from. That's where you need to be focusing your energies. And I thought that was so perfect. Yeah,

David Hoffmeister 49:35
yeah. That's it right there at the birthplace of, of movies. And, of course, he had his center out there. And he was right there in Hollywood after traveling around but wow. And it's interesting that even from a scientific perspective, I know, I've talked to scientists and they'll say well, you know, after the Big Bang, basically the cosmos timespace Cosmos they use the word entropy. And when I say well, what is entropy? They say it's, this is a cosmos of time space, it's disorder. So they use the word disorder. And then when you think about what Yogananda saying, Turn around the other go within, I feel like there's the stillness is the tranquility, there's the peace, that the light is within us, like Jesus taught, The kingdom of heaven is within. And we have to, we have to turn away from the disorder. Because if we keep our attention on the disorder, it gets depressing. It's frustrating. It's, it's devastating, actually, to keep your mind riveted on disorder. But if you think, wow, I can just turn my attention inward into the stillness. That's where meditation, the Maharishi was teaching the Beatles and, and your friend, David, I just think the name David Lynch kept coming to mind because I think of David Lynch and the amazing life he's led with his self discovery and in all the movies he's made and everything, Ally McBeal and all kinds of things he was involved with, you know, that I've laughed with and cried with and appreciate it, but But underneath it was this wise, opening soul that was, was just thirsty for, for meaning deep meaning profound meaning.

Alex Ferrari 51:26
Yeah, without question, I think that I mean, for me, meditation has been such a powerful part of my, my, my spiritual practice, because it's calms the mind. And I tried to meditate heavily, two to four hours a day if I can. And the deeper I go, the more calm there is in my life, and things become clearer. I've gotten answers to questions in my meditations, you start to just feel things differently, look at life differently. You know, it's just, there's a reason why all the great masters, spiritual masters all talk about meditation, and the power of in one form or another, whatever that form might be. It doesn't all have to be lotus position. There's other forms of meditation. But it is a powerful, powerful aspect. So I remember in the matrix, I think it was matrix to the Matrix One is a masterpiece, matrix two and three are fun. And there's some cool parts of it. They're, they're interesting. But I remember that the Neil walked into, I think he was gonna go meet. I forgot who I think he was gonna go meet one of the upper beings. And he had to get through this one guy, who was the guardian of that being, I think, was the Keymaster or something like that the key the key guy. And he when he walks in, he's meditating in the space, but the way Neo sees it, Neo sees the matrix. So it wasn't the seeing the false maya of it all the illusion. So everything was green, but around him, he was yellow. It's a different color. And I just remember that just touched me as a weird thing. I was like, Oh, that's interesting. And then if you go deeper and deeper into yoga, yogi's and what they do, and the different chakras and the colors of you know, there are there's a reason why Jesus, you know, is depicted with a glow around is that most saints are and most spiritual beings are with a glow around them, because they've transcended to another place.

David Hoffmeister 53:36
Yeah. How fascinating how fascinating. And then, before I came on with you, I was talking a little bit about Christopher Nolan. And Soderbergh. You know, the thing I like about storytelling is, when you like, was Christopher Nolan. He's done so many movies with a theme of time. And we know from quantum physicist, you know, humans perceive time as an absolute, you know, they, they actually believe that one second is one second is one second in any country, in any realm, and any galaxy. And Einstein was the first one, I think that said, No, it's very relative. This is a very relative construct, time space. And then you have somebody like Christopher Nolan, that explores, you know, interstellar and, and all of the movies that he's done. Exploring black holes and gravity and different perceptions of time. And when we think of time is just a relative perception, then the question comes what's what's beyond that? If it's if it's also relative, if it's not an absolute, then we can't just talk about constantly like it's an absolute. I love going to movies that tell stories that that are showing that what we perceive is not accurate and that That's fascinating to me.

Alex Ferrari 55:01
No, there's time, time is a complete construct, it does not exist. And if anyone argues that I go, if you take a spaceship, and go out of our solar system, there's no time time is based around the revolutions of the Earth around the Sun. That's a, that's just such a random thing. Like if you lived on Jupiter, time would be different. If you lived on Venus time would be different. If we're living on Mars, time would be different. And if you just leave the sun, you just know time, time doesn't exist at all.

David Hoffmeister 55:38
It's very different. There's no

Alex Ferrari 55:40
time in a black hole. So time is such a relative state. It's something that we created to mark the passing of, quote, unquote, time. But from my understanding from people who have had near death experiences and have come back time is, there's no time something that they feel like took hours was mere seconds on the operating table. So that kind of that, you know, when you start hearing things like that, you're like, there is no time and the other on the other side and Evan, or, you know, whatever you want to call it on the other side when you're in spirit. And I'm like, that makes sense. Because time is this just this revolutions of the Earth around the Sun. And Nolan, ah, he is an absolute master. I was I had the other day on the show Guy Pearce who was in momento. And I was like, how was it like working with a young crew? That was his first big movie, really, he only done a little independent movie prior to that. And when I say big, it was like $10 million, which is big for a first movie back then. And, and he's like, it was fascinating with him. He was not only understanding the story on a technical standpoint, like the because that's, if you remember the momento, it's not an easy script, not easy. It's, everything's backwards. Everything's like, like your head hurts. So to keep that all in place, keep the emotional journey, which is what he told me is like, he was able to understand the technical story structure, which was insane. Then understand the emotional journey I was going through, and understand all the technical stuff going on on set. He was it's his mind works at a level that you can't comprehend. And isn't it fascinating that his next movie, for better or worse is Oppenheimer. And we are on the brink of an apple high Oppenheimer, it's situation with Russia right now. In the world, isn't it fascinating the timing of when that movie is going to be released, which is going to be released next summer. You know, I hope it's just a movie. And we don't have to think about anything else. But we are closer to a nuclear war than we have been since the 80s. When I was, I remember growing up and I remember the Cold War was a very serious thing. And at any moment, you know, this things can go off. So talking about movies and timing when movies released. I was I was just, it was so funny. I was in LA a few weeks ago. And I'm driving around and there's a big billboard on Sunset with Oppenheimer and a countdown clock. Giant countdown clock to the movies release. And I'm like, this is eerie as all hell isn't it? Like, it's just a fascinating story. So yeah, Nolan's out a whole he you want to talk about someone who's connected to much larger stories. And in my opinion, is bringing these stories in at a high level that it's like a Spielberg like You're like Lucas like Spielberg, like these are stories are so grandiose. And they have the ability to put it into the world's zeitgeist, unlike many storytellers that don't have that ability. And do it with a I mean, there's probably only on one hand, I can count how many filmmakers can do what crystal and Christopher Nolan can do. At the level. They hate him. He's getting a ticket $200 million budget for a movie about Oppenheimer. Yeah, yeah. Not dinosaurs, not transforming robots, not the people running around and Dandora Oppenheim, yeah, who else is getting that?

David Hoffmeister 59:38
Beautiful because, you know, I one time as Jesus, I said, what, what is it with all these movies? And he said, Well, I'm orchestrating these movies as teaching devices. Like, like the parables I still told 2000 years ago, because I know for many years, when I traveled around the country in the world, people would say, Hey, listen, I I mean I kind of am sentimentally drawn to the course and, and today to Vedanta into some of these non dual teachings, but, but on practical terms and daily living, you know, I'm not there. Can you please summarize A Course in Miracles? Can you please summarize quantum physics for me because I'm just it's too far above my head, I can't do it. And I said, Well, if you're ever on a deserted island, and you feel like you're dying, and you get one request, and you could have one movie as for the movie Solaris, and if that's your last movie, you see, with the, um, the earth claim, you can, you can transcend. With that one, just one movie can do it for you. And, and I think the thing the reason was when George Clooney playing the psychologist and getting into the mind, and karma and giving and receiving are the same and everything that happens up in Solaris, which is mind blowing, it just, he feels almost when it comes back to Earth, it's just like watching something that he can't relate to anymore after he's been up there. And to Lara's. But I think, or like, Mr. Nobody, you know, when I first saw the movie, Mr. Nobody people said is that even a movie, you know, it doesn't have seem to have a theme or a plot or whatever. And I prayed. And Jesus said, this is a good way to, to go into the next level of, of, of experience, because you need commentary to, to, like, give it meaning because because like three scenarios have three loving relationships going on. At the same time, people are like, I can't handle one. I mean, what the hell is going on with this guy, and Mr. Nobody. And I said, this is unlocking the secrets of the universe, if you can start to see the patterns, the thought patterns and the beliefs in the mind that send us on looking for love and too many faces, looking for love in all the wrong places, looking for love and time space, then, then you can actually start to feel like you can you can relax into your given function. Because whatever you're meant to do, it's part of a pre arranged plan, and all you have to do is see it and say yes to it, and you turn happy, whatever it is here for you as podcasting. If they told you 25 years ago, well, your directorial career will not be what you think it will you want it to be, but but you will have a wonderful podcast. How disappointing you like pod what you've had. Father, I'm a director, director. And that's

Alex Ferrari 1:02:49
another thing to like, identified myself as a director only. So if when you identify to your, your, your occupation, when the occupation doesn't go the way you need to get the press, we're now I identify as my soul, and who I am. So nothing around me if it doesn't work out on my guns. I'm good. I'm more. I'm more connected. And you said something really interesting there. Like when George Clooney came back, he couldn't identify with it. After reading so many different stories of Ascended Masters, and people who are trying to come back and teach others the frustration of I'd imagine I don't can say they're frustrated, because they're Ascended Masters at this point, they're met their spiritual masters. But I have to believe it's kind of like us trying to talk to monkeys, about something because, you know, monkeys are like, I don't understand what's going on is that I just want a banana. And they're like, no, no, this life is more than the banana, what it's all about the banana, what are you talking about? And that kind of, it's that's why all these spiritual masters come at it from so many different ways for movies, and parables and stories. You know, even when Jesus was walking the earth 2000 plus years ago, you know, he was telling stories of that time, he was creating concepts of that time for that evolution of humanity, to understand where today, hopefully, if Jesus would come back to talk, he could talk a little bit more advanced because we have a reference point. Now even this conversation is much more elaborate than anything that was going around 2000 years ago, maybe over on maybe around Jesus's campfire might be a little bit, but having two people having this conversation was just 30 or 40 years ago, 50 years ago, in the grand scheme of things and be very difficult to have this conversation in public, no less with people listening and watching. So it's really interesting that a lot of the the religions and the concepts that were brought up at the time of their creation were built for that time in human history, and they have to evolve Have a lot of these things, some of the truths, stay the truths, you know, do unto others as you want to do unto you. Perfect, you really can't evolve that anymore. But there might be another angle to it, there might be another parallel to it. There might be another story too, to get that message across. And that's what I think movies, when they're done at the highest level can do, especially when you see movies like Avatar, or ET, or these kinds of movies that really hit so big. There's a reason for that. And it's not spectacle. You know, it wasn't. It was a little spectacle, but not much. It was 1982. So it wasn't that it wasn't that that kind of it. But something like Avatar is a combination of all of it. And his themes of what he's talked about is like I James Cameron is one of those guys who just, he's he's up there in the Mount Rushmore for me.

David Hoffmeister 1:06:01
Was this because it came out and 4k, getting ready for the next release. So I was like, Come on, let's go see the forte. Had all those feelings coming back at my glasses on and yeah, that's just as a few weeks ago, I had that experience. And I thought

Alex Ferrari 1:06:17
so beautiful. Oh, it's just in that movie. Like, I'm curious to see. You know, he's, I've talked to many people who are working on that movie and work with him. And he said publicly very telling I want to die on Pandora. He goes because basically he's got four more movies. I think he's gonna be four or five more he wants to do. Yeah, he's already in his mid 60s, I think. So. He's gonna die on Pandora. He's like, This is it. This is my swan song. I'm going out on Pandora. That's how strongly he feels about this stories. Because I mean, James Cameron could to make movies about anything he wants. But he's like, No, this is this is my, this is my story. This is the one I was put here to put out, you know, it's just like George Lucas is like, Well, George Lucas, such a fascinating story, he kind of fell into Star Wars. He didn't want to keep doing Star Wars. He's just like, this is a good story. But he had so many other things he wanted to do, but it just kind of took over. It's like, and Star Wars is one of those stories that my god it changed, changed humanity. So many in so many ways. And I love to talk to him. Oh, my God, because of his deep understanding of mythology and story. And, you know, working with Joseph Campbell and everything he did in the in the Star Wars movies. It's, it's got that he'd be he'd be a dream to talk to one day.

David Hoffmeister 1:07:36
Yeah. Yeah, the thing about George Lucas and James Cameron is the technology advances just coming from their inspirations and visions. I mean, the whole level of technology with Star Wars and the avatar movies, is just goes lightyears ahead when they release a movie. And recently, a friend of mine, Francis Xu, she, she added together a beautiful kind of a montage of George George Lucas, and the people that worked around him about how when they were putting their ideas and making the movies, people were saying, we don't have the technology to do it. And they would just all get in a room and just be there together. And then the technology would come. It's nice to think of technology as not as an external thing, but just a reflection of the power of the mind. And and as just something that can serve in the moment, instead of something that's this thing that's out there evolving. Because maybe next time when I come on your next level, so we can, we can pick a movie or some pick something like matrix or we could we could just go through some scenes, or some things in the matrix that were mind blowing to us, you know, that, that when we saw we were just we were not the same. We were we would did not walk out of the theater the same as we walked in.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:03
I remember when I saw it in 99. I saw it in the theater, like four or five times, I just kept going back and didn't understand like it was cool. But it was just something that was said at such a deep level that just I couldn't grasp it. I couldn't understand what I was feeling it was touching me in a different level. It's funny that you're saying that technology just showed up. You know, it's so fascinating that you know that that when Alexander Graham Bell, put in his trademark or patent for the telephone, someone else was already there. Did you know that no, no. Two people, two different parts of the country. Alexander Graham Bell one and court for whatever reason, but there was two people who came up with the phone at the same time. The rights bro the Wright brothers were not the first to fly in. They weren't the first to fly. There were other there was another group doing the same thing in Europe at the same time. So it's is fascinating that when the idea comes, the idea almost doesn't care who it gets through. It's only about what's going to serve the idea that best who is going to serve the idea the best. So if a movie comes, it's like, Alright, let's try Steven. First the Steven Spielberg first. He's not feeling right. Now let's go over to James Cameron. Not James, get let's go over to Chris Nolan. And that's how, yeah, and that's how these ideas come up. So when technology just shows up, I mean, look at what we've been able to do in the last 120 years. I mean, it's so rapid our technology even from when I was born, to now it is I mean, I when I was born, there was no I was the remote control for the television. And there was three channels, you know, and I had the rotary front of that that rotary phone messed up on the last number, do it again, that all that kind of stuff, to where we are now is so astronomical, we're talking about debt a few decades, and how much we've grown the internet. And it is fascinating. It is truly, truly fascinating. What so when the technology shows up is because we're ready for the technology. Imagine if someone got the idea for a flying machine, like the Vinci did. Da Vinci had an idea for a flying machine wasn't ready. The world wasn't ready for it, but he was able to pick that idea up. But the world was not anywhere evolved enough to be able to bring that idea to existence. Yeah, you know, I mean, when is a Copernican Galileo excuse me, Gallo said no, no, the Earth revolves around the Sun, he had to wait to he die to release the paper because everybody thought it was crazy.

David Hoffmeister 1:11:51
The same thing, they were ashamed, the shame has published their their findings, right

Alex Ferrari 1:11:57
in quantum physics, because it's fast. And because I've had a lot of quantum quantum physicists on the show, talking about the reality and simulation theory and, and all of that. I'm assuming you are familiar with the Akashic Records, which I just found out recently was talked about in the Upanishads apana shots for 5000 years ago, referring to the Akashic Records, which is a record of everything that happens at all times. And I found that this analogy was so beautiful that people, people say that they can tap into the Akashic records. And you know, and certain people who are have that ability can do that. And they're like, well, that doesn't seem real. They're like, Well, right now, as we speak, the internet is around all of us at all times, right? The information is bouncing around Bluetooth machines, and the satellites and all that, but we can't see it. But if we bring out this and we plug in, we probably have access to every piece of human intelligence, and information almost in existence by using this. So is it because we haven't learned how to tap into that field of intelligence? And is that we're all these this is that where all of these ideas come from eventually, you know, which is of course connected to the universe of God and all that, you know, all this kind of stuff. So it's just, it hurts the brain.

David Hoffmeister 1:13:30
I know we've, we've come from when I talked about traveling around and following my inner prompts and guidance, but I said I had to pull over and put some coins in a phone booth. And people could be like, what's that? What's that phone booth? They have no idea what a phone booth is. And there's something to this. Be Here Now that rom das wrote, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. What if it's not only a simulation? But what if it's simultaneous? What if there's not parallel universes? But what if it's all simultaneous? And no wonder? It's it. It hurts to try to make sense of something if it's all happening at the same time. And there's not any segments that we call past, present and future? What is that whole thing is a construct? And that's what the simulation is and that the simultaneity of it because I seem to be getting more honestly into spontaneity simultaneity. What's my joy in the moment? What's my my greatest thought of the moment? Whether it's just having a lemonade, a pink lemonade, and just being in joy, and sometimes just meditating and watching my cat's face whose name is unity? She can do the best clueless face. Like just nothing's happening. She knows she's got the look in the eyes in the face. Like nothing's happening. Looking at me. He's like saying, what would you do? owing me cluelessness, you know, you've got the Buddha behind you, I've got the little cat face going, No, don't try to figure it out anymore. Just

Alex Ferrari 1:15:13
isn't it fascinating that that I love when you say that, that I've heard of that concept of the everything's happening all at once that we are we've already we were born and we died and it's all in the middle and we're just kind of experiencing it. And it hurts the Head Start thinking about that. And then let's not even get into multi the multiverse which is, by the way, all of a sudden, am I wrong? All of a sudden, the concept, the concept of the multiverse is in the zeitgeist all of a sudden, right? It's everywhere, all of a sudden, you know, it's like, you know, from dr. strange in the multiverse, and everything everywhere, all at once. Another concept of multiverse and these other, they're all coming out now. Now, isn't that interesting, because we've heard about the Multiverse has been in comic books for a long time. But in books and other things, but I really hadn't seen too much of the multiverse ideas in movies before this period. So and that's a whole other thing, then you had a really start hurting if you start thinking about the multiverses. And every decision you make, splits off into another stream. And now you've got like billions of you running all over the place at the same time. But that's one of the things I always love asking, you know, whether you believe it or not into psychics and people who could tap into that stuff, I always find it fascinating. And I go, how do you know what's going to happen that like, well, and that's another thing with like, from even yogic masters and spiritual masters, they go, this is where certain things are leading towards. We all have free will. And it can change at any moment. But more than likely, this is where it's gonna go. And there's certain things that are rock solid, that's not going to change, like big events, world events that like no, this has to happen, because it's kind of laid out the way it's gonna lay out. But it's just an interesting way of looking at things and like, yeah, we have freewill. Like, at any moment, you and I could do something crazy right now you can you and I can all of a sudden take off our clothes start running around the house. And we could do that we have the freedom to do that. Right, David? But

David Hoffmeister 1:17:13
why don't we train the guys that sounds like

Alex Ferrari 1:17:18
No, it'd be it's like old school. It's like old school with a Will Ferrell. Like we could just start streaking. Tomorrow, like right now. Just go on the street Street. We have the ability to do that. If we want to, we have free will. Chances are you and I aren't going to do that right now. But is it possible? Sure. Maybe in one of the multiverses you and I street kids?

David Hoffmeister 1:17:43
Well, you know what Jesus says in A Course in Miracles, he said God created you with freewill. And you have free will in heaven. But the closest approximation that you have like a reverberation of freewill because freewill is he says perfect happiness and you, you're only perfectly happy in the environment you are created, which is light and spirit. But he's saying within the illusion, there is no free will, but you do have choice. And then every second you're going back and forth at a huge rate of speed between ego and spirit, you know that your soul is wanting to align with the spirit and knows that that's where it'll be free. You won't be imprisoned anymore. But when you go back and forth between the ego which is death or limitation and and vastness, you you're just confused about who you are. And you need to go through a purification process which all the great Masters and Mystics and Saints said yeah, you have to be Jesus said Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God. So I feel like if everything is is simultaneous, then it must be that to be happy. Must be free from time free from the construct of time because those choices when we start to put our attention into do I want this or that? Do I go here or there? Do I be like wild and crazy guys on Saturday Night Live and what was it Steve Martin and Dan Aykroyd in the way they would wiggle. And I would just burst into laughter like, who comes up with this? The skits, you know, where the Lorne Michaels My God, where do you get these things, but I feel like we're just it's part of a surrender of more into the cluelessness because we can still be joyful and we can still extend the gift of the lightness, the laughter The joy, using all of our technology, even though neither you or I thought we'd be doing a video pod in the year 2022. You know, we didn't we didn't know what that was,

Alex Ferrari 1:19:54
you know, there's no known technology and you know what, and who knows you and I might be doing holographic have podcasts in the next 10 years. Yeah, I don't know. Who knows what we're gonna be doing? Yeah, maybe we'll be dodging the bullets like Neo I mean, who knows what's gonna be happening? I always loved using this analogy, I think it's perfect for this conversation. Imagine that your Heath Ledger all of a sudden, and you come on to the set to play the Joker that day, or Joaquin Phoenix, whoever you're the best Joker you'd like. So you're walking Phoenix and you're coming on the set to play Joker in the movie Joker. And you put on the makeup, and you go onto the set. And you start playing the scene, when there's a director there and the lights are on and action, and you are the character you are playing the Joker. And after 10 hours, you're supposed to get off the set, take the makeup off and go home. The problem is, the most of us don't understand that we're on set as the Joker. The insanity that we all have is that we believe that we are the Joker, we are the character. And we're not the actor playing the character. And in this analogy, the actor is obviously the soul the spirit, where the character is what we are right now, this illusion, because the Joker is an illusion. It is a character that was created to tell a story to go through experiences in the movie. And there's a hero's journey of that character throughout the movie. But the insanity is to believe that you are the Joker, that you are the character that you play. And that's what we all go through on a daily basis that that and that's when the saints the the Ascended Masters, the prophets, all these people who have been able to transcend finally go, Oh, I'm not the Joker, I'm walking Phoenix. I can go home now. And that's where we're all that's where we're all at. I think it was just an analogy for our conversation. Yeah,

David Hoffmeister 1:22:05
it is it finally we dropped the role and feel the essence feel the essence of the reality. Well, thank you so much. You know, I'm so grateful that people who study A Course in Miracles and study this pathway, can can appreciate everything you shared, because you've studied many different spiritualities had many, many, many conversations, and bring the gift of that in the moment. Just to show up and let it come through and your flavor. The flavor of Alex? Yes. Thank you so much. And I really look forward when you have an opening or a slot maybe toward the end of this week or or end of this month or next month or something. Just let me know. And you come up with some great topics too, which doesn't take much for us to jump into go off. We can jump in go off sometimes. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:04
David it has been an absolute pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much for the invitation. And I'm so glad that we had this conversation and hopefully it's helped some people and maybe maybe a couple people are going to take off the mask and go home. Yeah, go home.

David Hoffmeister 1:23:18
Thank God. Thank you!

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