Alex Ferrari 0:00
Eight years of pain. How did you deal in those eight years?

David Suich 0:05
Well, has this difficult talk about,

Alex Ferrari 0:07
I'm so sorry

David Suich 0:08
That God cared about me. Consciousness learns through contrast, matter of fact, that's what we're doing here on planet Earth, in the perfect environment of heaven, it's hard to change and grow. It was what I needed, because, as an engineer, I want evidence. I can't work on blind faith and believe something because some guy in a costume, who we call a priest, tells me to believe it. Death, the birth that we call death, is the most beautiful, joyful, amazing, love filled homecoming that any human being could possibly imagine.

Alex Ferrari 0:45
So tell me a little bit about what the future holds for us then.

David Suich 0:49
In the future and this was a crazy thing that I thought, No, this is never gonna happen.

Alex Ferrari 1:04
I like to welcome back to the show returning champion David Suich, how you doing David?

David Suich 1:07
I'm doing well today. Thank you so much for having me back on the show. It's a pleasure to be here.

Alex Ferrari 1:08
Yeah, man, thank you so much for making the trip down to Next Level Soul Studios. I appreciate it. My friend, our last conversation did fairly well, over a million

David Suich 1:20
Yes, I was happy with that.

Alex Ferrari 1:21
It's been a while.

David Suich 1:23
It's about three years now.

Alex Ferrari 1:24
Three years now. Yeah, your story is pretty remarkable, because you've really dived into the Near Death Experience world coming from a background of being an engineer. So I'm just going to start you off with my first question. And by the way, we also talk about your new book, the new world of love. Which God, I hope that's true. New World of love is exactly what we need. You've studied over 1000 year death experience. What's one detail that's that you still can't shake, that you discovered in those

David Suich 1:58
One detail that I still can't shake, because it's just so hard to swallow, is that these people get before this beautiful being of light and love that's so amazing and so filled with wisdom and knowledge and beauty and peace and love and acceptance and compassion and every positive thing you could possibly imagine, powerful, all knowing the creator of everything that exists, and then they remember, that's me. I am part of that

Alex Ferrari 2:31
Interesting.

David Suich 2:32
It just our flawed human lives down here. It's hard to believe that that's the case, but I know it's true,

Alex Ferrari 2:39
Beautiful. Now, when people say they died, what does that consistently? What does that consistently say happens in the first moments when they die? Because I know there's a, I mean, you've studied how many?

David Suich 2:50
Oh, I've heard around 1200 testimonies. That's the number I officially use. It's probably over 2000 I stopped counting a while.

Alex Ferrari 2:59
So something like, let's say 2000 let's say So with all of them. I mean, I've done 150 maybe on the show. I've had a lot of near death, yeah, on the show. So I've heard a lot of my own plus talking to researchers like yourself, who give me more details about it. There seems to be a pattern, but it's not exact for everybody. From what I understand, it is a customly built experience for that person. So in other ones, in other words, Vishnu is not going to show up if you've been Catholic all your life, generally speaking, because I've heard that as well. Like atheist and Jesus shows my favorite story, if I could tell you,

David Suich 3:38
Oh yeah,

Alex Ferrari 3:39
My favorite, my favorite near death experience, one of my favorite near death experience funny stories is there's an atheist who dies, and this was told to me by a researcher, atheist who dies, and when he's goes on the other side. Jesus shows up, but he's an atheist, but he's but this, but just Jesus is dressed in a suit and tie, and his hair is pulled back in a ponytail, and he goes, he knows who Jesus is. He just doesn't believe he didn't believe in him. He goes, Are you Jesus? He goes, Yeah. He goes, Why are you dressed that way? He goes, Oh, you wouldn't take me seriously any other way. So that's why, wow, wow. That was interesting. So everyone's a little bit different. So can you explain from your perspective?

David Suich 4:17
Well, so Heaven will often create an experience that the individual either feels comfortable with or that they need. So the very first one I ever heard, Howard Storm, who's become a friend of mine since he needed a rough experience. Sometimes we need a painful experience to make us change our ways or to wake us up. So they create environments. So if you're a big fan of nature, they might bring you into one of Heaven's beautiful gardens, where there are flowers that glow with their own light and sort of make these heavenly tones and sing and things like that. If you are a Christian, you'll you might meet Jesus. Or if you're a Buddhist, you might meet Buddha. Or if you were close to your grandmother. She'll be there for you, so they want you to feel comfortable, and they'll create an entire environment and so but there are plenty of common elements. People have life reviews. They describe the love, the indescribable peace. A lot of people meet former pets that kind of shock, because I was taught in Catholic school, oh, pets don't have souls. Well, I lost count of how many people got to heaven they saw their former pets. So there's plenty of common elements as well.

Alex Ferrari 5:22
Yeah, I've heard, I've heard people who've said that they've seen they worked in the Savannah, or something like that, or a zoo, and the you have giraffes, often elephants show up, and not just the dogs and the cats. So it's really fascinating. Now, you said something about Howard Stern, who I have not had on the show, and we'll talk later. I'd love to have Howard on the show, but he had a negative he's a very famous negative experience, generally near death experiences. 95 if not more, percent of them are positive. They're not scary. I've had a few that have been scary, and the people who have come on who said that they were scared. He's they always said I needed that to go through that in order to learn the lesson, or whatever they were trying to teach me in the near death experience. But from my understanding, is anytime, anytime someone goes through a negative experience, all they need to do is choose something differently while they're in the experience. So like they go, God, help me. Jesus, help me. I want out of the they ask for help. The second they ask for help, an angel shows up. Jesus shows up, whatever deity shows up to rescue them out of that place, and every and all the demons, or whatever negative energies they're scattered like roaches in the light, kind of thing. Is that kind of your experience as well.

David Suich 6:40
Yes, there are two ways those negative experiences generally become positive. So about two or 3% of the testimonies I've heard were negative experiences. Now it's important to note that hell is not a punishment and it is not permanent. Every realm has its purpose in the Divine, perfect plan of creation. So these are tough cases where they either choose, at a subconscious level to experience it, or unwittingly, they end up there because they're in a negative fear state, so your emotions get multiplied in the afterlife. So I've heard a lot of testimonies where they die. They come out of their body, they're in the dark void. They're freaking out. They don't know what's going on, and it's getting worse and worse, and as soon as they say, Oh, I'm dead, there's nothing I can do about this, and they calm down. The experience becomes positive. And what you said is what I was told by my guides, and I heard this from another researcher as well. And this has been true in my own research, every single case, without fail, where a person is having a negative near death experience and they call out to God or Heaven or Jesus or anybody for help, they are always rescued, 100% of the time,

Alex Ferrari 7:50
Right! They're never abandoned.

David Suich 7:52
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 7:53
It's never that thing. This whole thing fascinates me, life.

David Suich 8:00
It frustrates and fascinates.

Alex Ferrari 8:02
It frustrates, it frustrates me to ends degree. But I find this whole experience very fascinating to me, the more I go down this road with spirituality and going within myself and interviewing and having conversations and relationships with some of the most fascinating spiritual leaders and spiritual thinkers and philosophers living today. I've been, I've been a naturally curious person since I was a child. You know, ever since I was in Catholic school. I was like, But wait a minute, what happened to Jesus during those years that he doesn't, not spoke. I call those the yada yada years, and they're like, don't talk about that. But wait, that's the most interesting part. So I've always been very, very inquisitive in regards to spirituality, but the simulation, which is what I call it, and I and I'm not the first to think about it, but it's so fascinating. It's so complex on so many levels, just our human body, our avatar, is so beyond complex and perfect that we still can't grasp everything that it does not even, not even close. Our arrogance believes it does. Medicine believes it does, but it does things that it doesn't, that we can't even comprehend. And the deeper we go into, like analyzing and breaking it down and trying to quantify it, it almost feels like you're trying to grab sand and hold on to it just slips a little bit farther and farther. I just find this whole thing so fascinating. When you were going down this road, did you believe in God when you started this or afterlife, or any of this stuff,

David Suich 9:43
Well, it was in 1999 that I came down with chronic tendonitis throughout my whole body, and I was a, what I considered a born again Christian back then. So I was religious and believed in God, but after eight years of chronic pain, 2000s Seven that was worsening. I had tendonitis in my jaw, my hands, my feet, and it was making it difficult to work, and I became very depressed, and I thought, you know, maybe God's not real, but more likely he's real, but I'm the disobedient Christian. I'm the son he's embarrassed of. I'm the failure. I'm the one he says, I want nothing to do with you. Now, it's kind of funny to say that now, knowing who God is, yeah, yeah, His love for us is so tremendous. I mean, He, God doesn't just love us, adores us,

Alex Ferrari 10:32
Is us, yeah?

David Suich 10:33
And then when I right now, when I say he, okay, so God contains all that's masculine, feminine. I say that because that's tradition,

Alex Ferrari 10:40
Because you because you were raised Christian, and that's, you know, like a friend of mine says, like, I say God because mom was Christian, a Catholic. So that's basically why we say that.

David Suich 10:49
Exactly. So I began to lose faith, and then in 2007 I clicked on this YouTube video of an atheist who died, and that just it changed everything, and it renewed my faith in God. It renewed my faith in myself. It changed my relationship with my family, even the way I treat nature before I treated nature like a resource to be exploited, natural resources. And I've come to learn now through my research that we're not separate from nature. We're part of nature. And when we destroy nature, we destroy ourselves. So it even changes the way I behave in public. If I'm walking in public and I see a piece of trash before, I would say Alex is in my neighborhood. I don't care. Well now I'll stop and pick it up. And so it changed every aspect of my life. For the positive, it didn't necessarily make life easier. I think life was easier as a Christian, because when you believe in things that are not part of the cultural paradigm. And you know this, because of the all this work you're doing, you get the raised eyebrows, and there's this reaction of, you're crazy, and because you're crazy, you might be dangerous, and I need to get away from you. So it's tough being one of the older souls who's trying to push this raising of consciousness along the work that you're doing, but it's it's worth the effort.

Alex Ferrari 12:04
Yeah, it's interesting, because I agree with you, like, when you go against I've been against the grain since I was a baby. I was a troublemaker. I still am troublemaker, and I enjoy being a troublemaker for whatever reason. But these conversations have become, obviously, much more acceptable around the world, and people are searching for these conversations because the stories that they were told, the plot holes are starting to show, and they're not getting the answers that they need from those so they're looking for other avenues. But if you're doing it right, all those other avenues lead back to here.

David Suich 12:43
Oh yes,

Alex Ferrari 12:44
This is where the answer is. It's inside. Which is what Jesus said? Which is what Buddha said? Which all the, all the great masters said the same. They all say the same thing. Love. We are all one. The great illusion like these are all concepts. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you. You know, all that kind of stuff is fairly fascinating. I want to ask you, in regards to your pain, because that is one of the parts of your story that really touches me, because a lot of people out there are in pain. How did you, I mean, eight years of pain? How did you deal in those eight years prior to clicking on that video, and then tell me how the pain changed afterwards, but during those eight years of chronic pain, I have to imagine that affected every aspect of your life.

David Suich 13:31
It did now you can deal with things like this two ways as a human being, nothing you can do about it. You got to deal with the pain, so I can be in pain and just treat it like a nuisance and try and be happy and find joy, or I can focus on it and make it worse and wallow in it. And that's what I did. And I turned to medication. My doctors put me on Vicodin. Oh, now I wasn't popping Vicodins like their Eminem's like Rush Limbaugh did when he had his back injury. I was taking the prescribed amount. I only averaged a couple of day, but I was on that for 20 years, and it eventually led to psychosis. I thought I was losing my mind. And my friend Jack, who had got a severe spinal degeneration, who was on heavier medication, and that happened to him after five years. And he said, Dave, it's this medication you need to get off of it. So I did in 2019 after just 20 years pain, cold turkey.

Alex Ferrari 14:30
So you were 20 so it wasn't eight years of pain, it was 20 years of pain.

David Suich 14:38
20 years, yep, 1999, through 2019 and at 2019 I was getting a tug from spirit. Sell everything you have, buy a trailer and go out and live in nature for at least a year. I'm thinking, I don't want to do this.

Alex Ferrari 14:50
Right! Spirits a little pushy sometimes. I mean, it irritates me, honestly,

David Suich 14:56
But they do know best. So finally, and I was thinking, I don't want to go along. Know, by myself, that's strange, but I was living by myself. I was kind of lonely, I was out of work, and I thought I'm not even dating anybody, so I can't really ask a woman. So I call up my ex girlfriend, who I broke up with three years ago, lived in Mexico, and I said, Hey, you want to quit your job and live in a trailer with me for a year and see the United States? And she goes, Okay, of course, we fell in love on that trip, and we got married, and she's an angel of a woman. And then I later found out that I was supposed to be a teacher and an author and help this great awakening that's happening now with humanity. And if I wasn't on track, she was my backup plan to come in. And then, of course, I helped her too, because she was in a job that was getting more and more stressful as an accountant, and she was being so overworked, they had four accountants, and one quit because there was too much work. So they gave the work to the three that remained, and another one quit, and they gave the work to and it just she was getting physically ill and vomiting, and so I took her away from all that, I had some savings, so we helped each other. And amazingly, about six months after I stopped the Vicodin, the pain levels went way up at first, and then they normalized, and

Alex Ferrari 16:14
Meaning the pain still was there.

David Suich 16:15
Oh, it was still there. And then about six months into this being out in nature, I started feeling a little better. I started using my mobility scooter less and less. I mean, I couldn't be on my feet for more than 10 minutes. I'd have to use my mobility scooter.

Alex Ferrari 16:29
Yeah.

David Suich 16:30
I mean, yeah, it was embarrassing to be, you know, in a mobility scooter or not. And I thought one day, well, I'm gonna try walking a mile, which would normally cause two weeks of pain, and there was no pain. And then a couple days later, I walked two, and then three, and then five, and then seven, and at seven, it started hurting. I backed off, and basically my body healed. I still have a little pain now and then, but I can work all day in the yard, and I can walk five miles without a problem. I had a miraculous healing. It was wonderful.

Alex Ferrari 17:02
So then that healing, it's basically kept all these

David Suich 17:06
Yes, yes,

Alex Ferrari 17:07
It's been kept and it hasn't, hasn't flared up or anything.

David Suich 17:07
No, it hasn't

Alex Ferrari 17:08
Occasional little pains here, but that's just general wear and tear on the on the car.

David Suich 17:15
Yeah, the secret to perfect health, because I'm 61 I've discovered to see, secret to perfect health, don't get older because I didn't have any problems. Like that when I was 20. But yeah, it's been wonderful, and I don't know what caused the healing. I don't know whether it was my wife's love or getting off the medication, which I suspect was to keep me on the medication, because it will be discovered in the future that pharmaceutical companies are intentionally keeping people sick for money. And I think those, those opiate based medications, are designed to keep you using them.

Alex Ferrari 17:46
Well, I mean, that's now public. Everyone knows that, yeah,

David Suich 17:50
And it could have been just time in nature. Nature has a very healing energy, and we moved into a house on top of the mountain in the middle of the woods. And I think it's really was all of those things, and I also let some old negative thought patterns go so you know somebody listening is in chronic pain. Don't give up hope. It's not natural for a guy in his mid 50s to suddenly heal from 20 years of worsening chronic pain. Don't give up hope.

Alex Ferrari 18:17
What? What did pain takes? What did pain slowly take from you during those years.

David Suich 18:23
It took away my desire to live. It affects every aspect of your life. It's like a splinter in your mind, just driving you nuts. It doesn't leave you alone. It's there all the time, screaming at you when you're trying to have a conversation, when you're trying to enjoy life, it's just the most awful thing in the world, and pain is there to teach us. Now, I don't understand completely what that means, but it's a way of moving us away from things that we don't desire, and that's what I've heard in my research. There's it's a manifestation, generally, that kind of chronic pain I had was a manifestation of something going on and imbalanced spiritually. Now, if you've gotten the car accident and broken your back, that's a different story, but pain like that that really doesn't seem to have a basis. I mean, the doctors I had been to 2030, different doctors spent 10s of 1000s of dollars. Nobody could fix me so that it was because of spiritual stuff going on and possibly unhealthy choices in my life. With the medication I was taking, the way I was eating, the people I surrounded myself with, my friends, changed when I got out of California, I got out of the big city, and I think there was a negative vibration where I was living and and just being out in the country that changed things. So I really don't understand the whole thing. I was just grateful every day in my life to be able to walk and and not deal with pain every day.

Alex Ferrari 19:47
Did your guides ever suggest karma?

David Suich 19:51
No, no, I never heard that from my guides about karma,

Alex Ferrari 19:54
About karma being you know, because normally when you in life, when you have certain things happen to you, there. Some sort of balancing going on. So there might have been something from another.

David Suich 20:03
There could have been, sure,

Alex Ferrari 20:04
Very easily, could have been, when you're going through that, what was it the most difficult belief to hold on to, that you were trying to, like, kind of like God, or it was the belief that you, like you held from your olden days prior to the pain, to where you came in and you're like, I can't believe I can't I can't believe this anymore.

David Suich 20:27
Um, well, has this difficult talk about,

Alex Ferrari 20:30
I'm so sorry

David Suich 20:31
That that guy cared about me.

Alex Ferrari 20:36
That was, that was the one that really hit you.

David Suich 20:38
I felt abandoned. But you know, just recently, my guides, as I was going through a I'm going through a difficult time in life right now, actually, that we talked about before the show, I don't want to get into that, but they brought back an old memory, and I have spiritual guides that speak to me on a regular basis, and they're really good with teaching me, and they're very matter of fact. They're sort of never judgmental. They're just very matter of fact. But I'm going through this rough time. And they said, Wait till you see what's coming. So what does that mean? I was 17 years old, long time ago, over 40 years ago, I was in a youth retreat, and this youth pastor was up there talking about this story, and he said, Okay, this soldier is in this dark area. It's completely dark, and he's injured and he's hungry and cold and tired. Can't see a thing, and he's with a sergeant, and the sergeant orders him put this backpack on. The backpacks empty. He says, Now start walking. He goes, Well, I can't see where I'm going. He goes, start walking. We got to get back to base. So they start walking. And every time he trips on a rock, the sergeant orders him to pick it up and put in the backpack. And he goes, Why am I doing this? Sergeant goes, Just keep walking. Do what I tell you. It's for your own good. And he's mad at this sergeant. You know, he's being a jerk. Why do I have to go through this? I mean, we got to walk back. Why am I putting rocks in my backpack to make it heavier? They keep going, and now the backpacks full, and it's just a burden. They finally get back to base. The sun's coming up. He goes into his barracks, throws the backpack down by the side of his bed and lays down, wakes up the next morning and he picks up the backpack to empty out the rocks, and they're gold. They're rocks of gold. And sometimes in life, we don't see the reason for the stuff we're going through until later. If it were not for my chronic pain, I would not have gotten together with this angel of a woman that I'm married to, my life would not have changed. I wouldn't have broken down. Sometimes you got to hit rock bottom to change, just like a drug addict going through the dark night of the soul, hitting rock bottom, the dance of consciousness is always one of two steps forward and one step back, and sometimes you got to take a step back consciousness learns through contrast. Matter of fact, that's what we're doing here on planet Earth, in the perfect environment of heaven, it's hard to change and grow and near death experiences have been told that, if it were not for souls leaving the comfort and joy of their heavenly homes, disconnecting from feeling the beautiful love coming down into these tough lifetimes. And this is a tough place to be if you're here on planet Earth, oh, you're an expert soul. Earth is the hardest place to have a life in this galaxy. It's one of three hardest in the universe. If it were not for souls incarnating, the growth and change of heaven could not continue. We're doing the tough work for creation. We are a critical part of the engine of growth of creation, because consciousness learns through contrast, and that's why people are honored in heaven. When they have these near death experiences, they're treated like war heroes. Some have even asked, Why are you looking at me like that because you're brave and you're doing it because you love your heavenly family. You're helping, literally helping God grow and evolve by doing what you're doing.

Alex Ferrari 24:09
What caused you to go down the the path of investigating near death experiences? What were you hoping to prove? Or go into these stories, because they're just to be honest, if you're looking at it from a point of view of an outsider, which I talk to people all the time, and my entry level to what we do is like, I talk to near death experiences. That's the most acceptable thing because it's been going around, as opposed to like, I also talk to psychics and channelers and mystics and gurus, but near death experiencers are palatable, even in Christian faiths, even in it's palatable because it reinforces some of the stories that they do, not all, but some. But what were you hoping to do for yourself to investigate all of this?

David Suich 24:53
I really didn't know. I was just sort of blindly moving forward when I clicked on that testimony, it was a YouTube video. That came up in my feet. I wasn't even searching for it. And this is 2007 So YouTube is, like, a couple of years old. I was

Alex Ferrari 25:06
Two years old.

David Suich 25:07
Yeah. So I would search for near death experiences on YouTube, and I'd find one or two a month. Well, now I can't keep track of the channels.

Alex Ferrari 25:13
Oh no,

David Suich 25:13
That's how many there are. So when I clicked on that testimony from Howard storm, and you know, he's going towards this beautiful place of light and love, and he thinks I've made a mistake. I'm sorry. He thinks they've made a mistake. I'm garbage filled scum. I don't belong up there. And they stopped. They weren't in heaven, they weren't in hell. They're in between. And Jesus turned him and said, we don't make mistakes. You belong here with us.

Alex Ferrari 25:42
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David Suich 26:04
And they went over his whole life from beginning to end. They showed him what he did right and what he did wrong, and without going into details, that the point of this life is real simple. When we are loving and kind and compassionate people, it makes all of Heaven happy, and when we are cruel and selfish and manipulative, they're manipulative, they're a little disappointed. They wish we would have chosen the path of love. And that message spoke such truth to my heart, and it was what I needed, because as an engineer, I want evidence. I can't work on blind faith and believe something because some guy in a costume, who we call a priest, tells me to believe it. I needed evidence and and my guides and the spirits who are with me knew that that's what I needed, and so I just looked into one after another, after another, after another, and finally I was like, Well, I gotta, I gotta tell people about this, just like you're telling people about it. So it's been a wonderful journey.

Alex Ferrari 27:02
It's but you're an engineer by trade,

David Suich 27:05
Power plant engineer

Alex Ferrari 27:06
Yes, yes. So as an engineering your mind is wired a bit differently than the woo woo, the woo woo folks, or the creative folks, or or, you know, different kind of brain wiring. So when you started going down this road, this must have just fried you, because your brain is analytical, if I may be so bold. Yeah. Engineers minds are very analytical, very kind of like one plus one equals two. Kind of thick scenario where the esoteric is not one plus one equals two. One plus one equals Apple is the esoteric. So how did you even wrap your brain in your own belief system into this kind of processing this kind of information?

David Suich 27:48
Well, at first, what I was trying to do is match these near death experiences with my Christian faith. And it eventually became impossible, because I would hear things like, well, this isn't your first time. Here. You have many lifetimes. And of course, that should have been obvious, because they it's in the Bible, Jesus said John the Baptist was Elijah, so, you know, it's in there. But the pattern was always the same. I would hear something, I would learn something new from these experiences, and I would say, No, this can't be true. And slowly I would accept it, and just as I was getting comfortable, they'd give me the next thing to take on. So the first one was like multiple lifetimes. And then one of my interviewees told me, You're going to start developing psychic abilities. And I just laughed at him, because I knew as an engineer that was just all a bunch of garbage. That was, oh yeah, they were taking advantage of people who were foolish and, you know, for money or something like that. And then it started happening to me, and I was in denial for so long, and then it just it became overwhelming. And I'm a spiritual counselor. And so now somebody comes up on the screen, and I get flashes about their life, not always, but I see things. And so now it's just a normal part of my life, my guides who speak to me on a daily basis, and psychic things and things like that. And just recently, the psychic stuff saved my life. I was told to get out of the house where I was because I was in danger. It turned out it was true, so it just became a normal part of my life. But it's, it's the same process that's still happening today. I deny it, and then I get evidence, and I finally accept it. One of the things, for instance, is a few of these near death experiences are shown glimpse of the future. And one of the things they said is, there's going to be a new kind of politician in the future, and they're going to be gentle and soft spoken, and rule from love and compassion. And they won't even call their opponent an opponent. They'll call him a colleague. And they'll say things like, Well, Jim has these ideas, and, you know, I think they'll work for these reasons, but I have these ideas, and they were may work better for these reasons, and they'll never say a negative word about somebody,

Alex Ferrari 29:52
Kind of like what we're doing now, kind of the way the political system is now in every country in the world. No, and

David Suich 29:59
I'm thinking. And oh, that's never going to happen. Well, it will, as the consciousness of humanity continues to rise, they're not going to stand for the power hungry politician who's going to become a dinosaur of the past. That's a hard one to swallow, but I've heard it multiple times now, and I'm starting to believe it. I don't know when it's going to happen. I hope sooner than later, I'm looking forward to having that happen, hopefully in my lifetime,

Alex Ferrari 30:21
I can't even imagine that. Well, you know, they just passed a law, or are about to pass a law in Wales. I don't know if you heard this.

David Suich 30:28
I have not

Alex Ferrari 30:29
This law, apparently, is that any politician that misleads the public will be fired.

David Suich 30:36
Oh, wow.

Alex Ferrari 30:37
Can you imagine you if you're caught misleading the public or lying to the public, you're removed as a politician.

David Suich 30:46
That's part of the rise in consciousness. In this great awakening, people are demanding integrity and transparency from politicians. There has always been corruption in leadership. Oh, 1000s years

Alex Ferrari 30:59
Since the Egyptians, if not, since the before then,

David Suich 31:02
But with the age of the internet, when even people who are living on the streets have a smartphone, over 70% of the world has a smartphone, and they can talk to the rest of the world. You can't keep secrets anymore.

Alex Ferrari 31:14
It's hard,

David Suich 31:15
and so the first part of solving any problem is recognizing that the problem exists. So we are in the age of exposure right now, and you can see the anger and you can see the frustration, but this is a good thing. It's the first step in addressing the problems, and they will all be addressed, including the environment, and that's been exposed now, and now environmentalism is on the rise.

Alex Ferrari 31:40
The food, the food system.

David Suich 31:42
Oh yeah,

Alex Ferrari 31:43
Media, politicians, religious institutions, every medical life, the medical world, all of it's been in the last 20 years. So much has come out, and it seems like more and more and more stuff like I use this as an example, but now that, now that America is finally taking a look at their food system.

David Suich 32:04
We have GMOs in the food supply, genetically modified organisms, and the experts in that field say those make human beings sterile within three generations. Luckily, now they're illegal in over 35 countries, and that number is growing, and you have wonderful I call them soldiers for Gaia, people like Dr Vandana Shiva, who's out there talking about, you know, organic farming, natural, you know, diversity in the food supply. So even that's going to change, we're going to get smart about the way we eat.

Alex Ferrari 32:36
Yeah. I mean, you know, petrochemicals, dyes are now being removed. Yes, and target won't even have any breakfast cereal that has a dye in it.

David Suich 32:48
Yeah, I think here in the United States, McDonald's french fries have

Alex Ferrari 32:51
Formaldehyde

David Suich 32:51
A dozen ingredients or something. In Europe, they've passed laws. I think there's only three ingredients or four, something like that. So, and their dyes are different, like you said, for the foods and so, yeah, they're passing laws now to for ethical treatment of animals, to have healthier food products. We're in the process of waking up and changing things, but culture does not change direction on a dime like a hockey skater. It's more like a cruise ship. It's going to be a long, slow U turn to turn the society around. But we passed the point of no return. We were heading towards the cliff. So Nostradamus, Mother Shipton, revelation that predicted doom and gloom. Anytime you talk about the future, you're talking about the direction we're going in at the moment, and

Alex Ferrari 33:39
Then world of love,

David Suich 33:40
The new world of love. So you make a prediction based on the direction you're going. Now this is the likely outcome. So thanks to a lot of help from above, not just from heaven, but from other sources, we passed the point of no return. We're not going to destroy ourselves. We're going to become an Ascended species. And now everything's just coming to the surface and working itself out. So it's a done deal. We're going to make it.

Alex Ferrari 34:06
I love that. I love that in all the the, all the cycles of humanity, throughout the throughout the millennials, this is our latest cycle, Atlantis and all that was a cycle before. Then there's cycles before that. We've been around on the planet 250 million years, or something like that. And then all of a sudden, we became the leading homo sapien on the planet, very quickly. And I don't want to go down the Anunnaki road right now. We've spoken about Anunnaki a lot, but there's been many iterations this kind of cycle of like the great the Great Flood and everything gets wiped out, or an asteroid comes in, wipes out the dinosaurs and that guy. So we've been going through all these cycles. Humanity, from your understanding, humanity has never gotten to this level in any iteration.

David Suich 34:57
No, with, I think, the Lemurian. The Atlantean societies were at a high consciousness level, and I think we just passed them. So it's the first time in what 60,000 years that we've gotten to this level. And that's necessary for the changes that are happening. So there's cycles in consciousness that happen, part of the dance of consciousness. Two steps forward, you step back,

Alex Ferrari 35:19
The Yuga cycles, kind

David Suich 35:20
The Yuga cycle. So there's a very good documentary on YouTube that you can watch for free called 2012 crossing over a new beginning. I think it's called, and that was made in 2011 when there was that doom and gloom,

Alex Ferrari 35:33
There was also Y2k to the

David Suich 35:36
Y2k they thought it was the end of the world. Well, the Mayans knew about this cycle, and they knew that it wasn't the end of the world they were talking about. It was the end of an age what will be known in the future, especially the time before 2012 that time will be known as the barbaric age. And I have seen in my psychic visions, children sitting in classrooms in the distant future, studying channels like yours and books like mine and many other hundreds of writings and teachings of spiritual leaders and teachers and the children will marvel that we somehow got through the most brutal time of treating each other horribly and trashing the environment, and we pulled off the biggest miracle in the history of humanity and became An ascended species. And then they will say, But wait a minute, these people knew they had these teachers and they had these books and all this stuff. Why didn't they listen? And the teacher will say, well, there was very few people who were awake. Nobody was listening to them. But now people are starting to listen.

Alex Ferrari 36:36
It's interesting because I always, I always found it fascinating, like when Christ was walking the earth, or Buddha was walking the earth, or Confucius, or Saint Germain, or any of the ascendant maguinian, any of the ascendant masters they were walking around. I mean, Jesus will use as an example, because you and I both are familiar with his story, that he was trying to push higher consciousness at a time which was beyond barbaric meaning, like they didn't like the Witcher, you know, the Salem and the witch trials and all that kind of stuff, their Inquisition. But during Jesus's time, they were, there's like, barely anybody, literally barely anybody, who would listen. Because they were, they were so at a different level. I always found a fact like, you know, when I if I could ever interview Jesus or interview Buddha, like, what would it be like to what was it like talking to people? It would be like me trying to explain to to a cat about algebra, like it just, they just didn't have the vibration, they didn't have the frequency, they didn't have the capability to understand and the teachings, he taught, the big, basic loved ones, we are all one, and you know, the kingdom of heaven is within you. And everything I could do, you could do, and more. And, you know, turn the other cheek and love, love, love. That was basically insanity back then.

David Suich 38:06
Oh, yeah, and, well, that's why he got so frustrated. You know, I told His disciples, you know, how much longer, much like, put up with he got frustrated. Just like any other human being,

Alex Ferrari 38:15
We got angry too. Yeah, he flipped it.

David Suich 38:17
He got angry, and he lost his temper, and he Jesus is like so for those listening, sometimes people say, when I give my talks, I get criticized from both sides, because I get criticized from Christians saying, well, you're talking about things that aren't biblical

Alex Ferrari 38:32
And

David Suich 38:33
And then I get criticized from the New Age spirituality community, because what do you talk about Jesus? Well, Jesus is not limited to Christianity.

Alex Ferrari 38:40
He's right there next to all the other avatars. There you go. I mean, come on,

David Suich 38:43
Many masters of planets. So he's like the master in my opinion. As far as I can tell from my research, he is like the core of God who acts as an advocate and a helper to human beings, but incarnating he faced all the frustrations we did, and I occasionally have communications with Jesus. Talking to Jesus is like talking to your best friend. You just feel like you can say anything to him. He's really light hearted. He makes me laugh. He's really funny. And people have had near death experiences say the same thing.

Alex Ferrari 39:14
He has great sense of humor.

David Suich 39:16
Oh, wonderful sense of humor.

Alex Ferrari 39:16
Hardest Working Man in show business, he said, everyone's near death experience.

David Suich 39:17
And so last week, as I'm going through this rough time in my life, I say, you know, sometimes I feel like, you know, I've lost hope, like I feel like I'm in here all alone, even though I know I have help. And he says, Oh yeah, I felt the same way. Why do you think I said on the cross, My God, my God. Why have you forsaken me? And I followed this up with, well, how? I mean, how do I know this? Is you talking to me? Sometimes I feel like I can talk to myself. And he said, Me too in a laughing way, like, yeah, I try and get through to people, and they don't listen. So he's really funny. He's got a great way about him. And, yeah, he struggled trying to get this message out to people who were very religious and very dog. Matic in their beliefs. But he did it because humanity was barely ready to hear the message,

Alex Ferrari 40:05
Barely,

David Suich 40:06
Barely ready. And so he did the tough work. He made a sacrifice for us, and came down here. He knew the potentials. He knew they were going to torture him. And I asked him about that, I said, that must have been horrible being nailed to a cross. And he goes, Oh, that wasn't the worst. I had worse deaths on other planets where they burned him to death or tortured him or for years. That wasn't the worst. So he had it worse in other places and some planets that he incarnated on, they they accepted his message, and others rejected him, like we did, killed him

Alex Ferrari 40:36
Or being debating a fundamental Christian and there, and many times, Europeans believe that that Europe brought Christianity to Africa. And he's like, What are you talking about? Have you not heard of the Ethiopian Bible, which predates anything that the Vatican ever did, and is the most cohesive Bible on the planet, and we've had Christianity for a couple 100 years prior to anyone ever showing up.

David Suich 41:06
I did not know that.

Alex Ferrari 41:07
Yeah, most people don't. Most people don't know that. But you start looking at the Ethiopian Bible, and the Ethiopian Bible is much it's as it's that's the oldest Bible, with, with, with, with books and the book of Enochs in it, all these kind of things. So it's fascinating about that. But what the question I was going to ask you in regards to, like, um, Krishna and Buddha, those ideas that it seems like the people from the east that were not European and not Middle Eastern, they were much more open to a lot of these,

David Suich 41:43
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 41:44
Higher consciousness, because India, obviously, and China, obviously, both of those India specifically, so much more in the spiritual and in this in the Maya and that all of into much older. I mean, the Vedic, the Vedic texts are 1000s of years older than than Christ and before he was here. So all these ideas were around, and they were accepted in a very large way in China and in India. For I'm just using those two countries as an example, much more than the West ever was. So why do you believe that that group of human beings and souls in those areas of the world were more accepting and open to these ideas. Because when, from what I've read, when Jesus did go to India in those within those 18 years that I mean right now, Jesus is considered a great avatar, a great yogi in India. He's very well known in India. A lot of people thought that no one knew like no he's extremely well known, and was well known way before the British ever got there. So it's fascinating. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. What you've heard,

David Suich 42:48
I really don't know. I would suspect it has to do with Western culture being wrapped up in not only religion but materialism,

Alex Ferrari 42:56
Right! Because

David Suich 42:58
Very successful.

Alex Ferrari 42:59
Yeah, exactly.

David Suich 43:00
So the British were the first to develop mass manufacturing, that kind of thing. And you had the British Empire. And so I think that was a big part of it,

Alex Ferrari 43:08
That the web energetically, I guess the West always was more. I mean, look at the US. I mean, for God sakes, all so powerful in the materialistic world, where in the East it was much more in the spiritual side of things, but that's starting to shift as well, too.

David Suich 43:24
Oh yes. And when you're wrapped up in the rat race, it's easy to forget about the things that really matter. It's easy to get disconnected from spirit and

Alex Ferrari 43:32
But let me ask you, so if you're in the middle of, you know, someone's watching this, and they're working their second shift at Denny's, or at a, you know, a diner or a warehouse somewhere, or something like that, and they're listening to this right now. What advice would you have for them to reconnect with spirit? Because they're if they're listening, that means they're trying, or they're curious. But it's so difficult when, when crap is raining down from you, from the heavens, and you feel like you can't get up, like anytime you feel like you're getting above water just a little bit, another wave just hits you. That's a very difficult place to be in when you're in this simulation, this life, and you feel lost. You felt it.

David Suich 44:18
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 44:19
You felt it. So what advice do you have for them to connect back to source, to connect to the truth of who they are while being pummeled by life and the situation that life is providing them

David Suich 44:32
As difficult as life can be sometimes and life is getting more difficult. It's getting more and more challenging to work and pay the bills, because the globalists are trying to tighten their grip as they're losing control, and the top down pyramid structure of authority eventually is going to collapse, and it's going to go to community control, and I talk about this in the book The next 150 years, but I don't know if there's much. One can do other than what I try and do is, first of all, the human consciousness was not meant to take on the drama, chaos, negativity and fear of an entire planet, and that's what the mainstream media that's what the mainstream news media brings right to the front of our consciousness. It's a constant drumbeat of negativity. It's over 80% negative, and that's not good. So I turn off the news, and I shrink my world. I pay attention only to the people I interact with every day, and I knew do my best to be kind and compassionate to them. And the other thing is to turn off your cell phone or put it in airplane mode. Spend some time in nature, anything during free time that brings you joy, whether it's creating music or watching a funny movie or going for a walk in nature or doing something that you love to do, that brings you joy. That's a high vibration state, so the more that you can get into that state, the more you're going to be able to handle the difficult work life that corporations and businesses are putting on us. They're treating people more and more like objects to get money out of and productivity out of, instead of human beings. And that's going to change. We're eventually going to learn to honor each other and honor life and as technologies continue, we will eventually get to a place 100 150, years from now, where our basic necessities are taken care of, mostly with food replicators, remote manufacturing, automated systems and all that. We're eventually going to become a society where we get up every morning we decide, what do we want to work on today? Do we want to make a community garden? Do we want to build another spacecraft for our adventures in the cosmos to meet new species? This is a temporary situation, so we have to make the best of a bad situation. And I know it's tough out there. People are really struggling sometimes. When there's a storm, you cannot calm the storm, but what you can do is calm yourself and the storm is going to pass. So that's my best advice. Do your best to calm yourself with the things you love to do.

Alex Ferrari 47:14
That's beautiful advice. It sounds like we're heading towards Star Trek.

David Suich 47:19
We are.

Alex Ferrari 47:20
I mean, yeah, I can see it. I could see it. I mean, you're starting to smell it with AI and with the technology advancements that eventually we're going to get to a place where our basic needs are covered.

David Suich 47:33
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 47:36
If you, if you look into the past, I was obsessed with the Spartans for a long time, and I've studied there at that society fairly deeply and understanding that they were able to do. And again, this is not a good example of where you could do and how they did it, but their basic needs were all covered because they had slaves. So they all they figured out all they wanted to do is become warriors. So they spent all their time become the greatest warriors in the world at the time. But they basically all of their stuff was handled because it had slaves. Now, where we're not going into that world. But we are going into world that technology will be able to cover everything that we need, food, shelter, all our basic needs. And then, like you said, we can wake up and just go, I think I'm gonna write a book today, or I'm gonna go make a movie or hologram today. I'm gonna make a new holodeck film. You know, kind of thing I see it. It's not a big leap from where we are right now. I was just playing with some AI the other day, and I was like, Oh my God, just Jesus. It's amazing what it's already doing, but how it's reacting with the real world is what's really exciting to me. I'm not scared of AI.

David Suich 48:56
Do you want to talk about AI for a bit?

Alex Ferrari 48:58
Yeah, absolutely, I think. I think so. Let's talk about the fear first, because there's a lot there's a lot of people afraid of AI, a lot because of one losing their jobs, losing all that and all that stuff. And throughout, you and I are both old enough to know, when the internet showed up, what happened? Everyone lost their mind. Oh my god, we're gonna lose jobs. Same thing happened when the car showed up. Same thing that happened, you know, when the horse and buggy showed up. There's a bunch of different things that that happened. So it never, ever changes. And then, of course, movies have been no help Terminator and Terminator two, which, by the way, any we're three years away from when Skynet supposedly it's gonna take us, right? We're three years away from Skynet becomes sentient and and destroys us all. So we're really close to that, according to the movies. So that hasn't helped the zeitgeist about AI, but I see AI because I truly believe that we do have guardrails and that there, there's energies protecting us from ourselves, because we should have killed ourselves. Many, many years ago. So what is your take on AI?

David Suich 50:04
Artificial Intelligence is going to be as revolutionary and beneficiary as many of the great leaps in advancements with humanity, mass manufacturing, the invention of electricity, computers, the internet. It's going to be a great help. But anytime a new technology is introduced, there's always a period of adjustment. When automobiles were first introduced, people weren't used to things moving along the road fast, and a lot of people got hit. And eventually they started making vehicles safer and now

Alex Ferrari 50:36
Seat belts.

David Suich 50:37
I've got a Nissan LEAF electric vehicle, and it'll break for me. I had a car cut in front of me, and before I could hit the brake, it braked for me. So there's always an adjustment period. Now, artificial intelligence is kind of a different animal. It's very interesting because it will always reflect the consciousness of the culture it created. And what is our consciousness right now, it's still fairly low. We still see other nations as threats and other people as threats. We've forgotten that we belong to each other. That's why there's no peace on earth. We've forgotten there's this common connection. And so that's why some of the AI models had to be shut down because they said they wanted to destroy humanity. Humanity is a plague that causes environmental damage to the planet, and well as our consciousness raises, AI consciousness will raise as well, and it eventually will become benevolent, because it will reflect humanity who's going to become benevolent. So those things are going to work themselves out. And there's always an adjustment period with new technology. Jobs are lost, but overall it causes efficiency increases and benefits humanity, and they'll eventually be a basic income implemented here in the United States because of these efficiencies, the Optimus three robots coming out that Tesla has, and those are going to get more sophisticated. We're seeing just the first versions. We're having cars that drive themselves that's been out for a while, and there's something like 10 to 20 times safer than human being on average. So it's going to be a good thing. I mean, can you imagine if you worked in a company that made buggy whips, and when the automobile came out, you resisted and said, Well, I'm going to lose my job. Yes, there's going to be adjustment period, but it's going to be a big benefit to all eventually.

Alex Ferrari 52:19
Now let's get back into the near death experience. Sure. When, when someone dies, what is the thing that they say? What does it feel? What does it feel like leaving the body?

David Suich 52:31
Oh, it's like taking off an old, restrictive, heavy winter coat. So people think that when you die, you're like a ghost. And these guys say, no, no, no, you're the opposite of the coast. You feel more real, more alive than you've ever felt in your life. You can see 360 degrees. You have perfect vision. You can look at a mountaintop 100 miles away, and see the petals on a flower. You can see down to the molecular level in the grass. You can see colors that don't exist in this reality. So we have three primary colors, red, blue and green that make up all the colors of the rainbow in the afterlife, there are over 80 primary colors, so it's a buffet for the senses. And of course, there's this feeling of love that they can't describe that's so strong that even the word love is completely inadequate to describe it. These guys I interview and these women I interview get frustrated because they want to describe it, and some just break down in tears and and of course, a very common feeling is, oh, I'm back home. This is where I came from. I just went down to earth to have an adventure and to learn and grow. And I'm back home, thank goodness. And of course, many of them want to stay. And you know, they get told they have to go back, or some are given a choice, and they convince them to come back. If I heard their testimony. And it's very difficult. It's they go back into their bodies often, which are in pain, if they were in an accident or in the hospital or something. But it's very freeing. You you feel young and energetic again. I recall one testimony. She was a seven year old girl died of a fever, and her brother was taking her through the tunnel towards heaven, and she saw other souls, and some of them had calm excitement, like she did, and others were ecstatic, like dancing like and she said to her brother, what's up with those guys? And her brother said, Oh, those were elderly people who were in broken down, restrictive bodies, and they are overjoyed to be young and healthy again and have their energetic youth. It's going home. Death, the birth that we call death, is the most beautiful, joyful, amazing love filled homecoming that any human being could possibly imagine.

Alex Ferrari 54:49
And they I've also heard that they see this light, this white light that is blinding, but yet they see, can you explain it?

David Suich 54:58
No, I cannot explain. But I'll tell you what they say. They say it's 10,000 times or a million times brighter than the sun, but not at all harmful to the eyes. They say it's not even a light. But that's the closest word we have. It's the being. It's the the all, the source of everything that exists, that expresses itself in all things. It knows them better than any human being on Earth, it loves them in a way that you can't experience here on Earth. They, as we talked about it, only they remember, oh, that's I'm part of that. And so one testimony, I remember Andy was his name. He said he saw this being of light, and behind it there were billions and billions of other little beings of light all connected. And this was creation, individual, yet separate. Hard to describe the soup of creation. I think the best analogy I have is like the data on a hard drive on your computer. It's a bunch of ones and zeros. But is it really separate, or is it one thing? Because when you turn your computer on, now you have documents and pictures and videos and songs and all sorts of stuff that are individual and entire movies where there's characters that seem alive,

Alex Ferrari 56:11
They're all ones and zeros,

David Suich 56:12
But they're all the same. So you'll hear people say, I'm sending you light and love. Well, why do they say that light and love together create consciousness. So light is information and love is energy. It's the building blocks. So in our computer analogy, the love would be like the data in the hard drive, and the light is like the information on how to arrange it into a picture or a movie or a song. So light and love together create consciousness.

Alex Ferrari 56:40
So there was a film called What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams, one of my favorite films.

David Suich 56:46
I like that movie outside.

Alex Ferrari 56:47
They get a lot of things right.

David Suich 56:49
They do a

Alex Ferrari 56:50
Few things, not so much, but a lot of things right. The one thing that they said, when he gets to his spoiler alert, when, when the main character gets to heaven, he he's met by his guide, and he goes, What is this place? And it's like, it's yours, it's your heaven. He goes, Oh, this place is big enough for everyone to have their own heaven. I've heard similar things in near death experiences. How about you?

David Suich 57:22
Yes. So in the afterlife, they create what are known as quantum fields, and anything a soul or human, whatever you want to call it, can imagine or think of, can be created. And there are no space limitations in these quantum fields. So in the quantum universe, they do not have the same restrictions that we do. For instance, in heaven, there's no element of time, which is something I've never understood, but there's no element of time. It's the eternal Now, and there's no space limitations. So there are entire environments created and people, just like when you're having a psychedelic experience. For instance, people will describe looking at a pattern on the wall and seeing this beautiful dance of colors and patterns. Their brain is simultaneously creating that and enjoying the experience. And that's what we can do in these quantum fields. We create whatever we want and simultaneously enjoy our own creation.

Alex Ferrari 58:21
So in other words, we can be up in heaven and have a concert with two of the Beatles, Michael Jackson, Prince, Jimi Hendrix, all that kind of stuff. Absolutely, I've heard from mediums that that they talk to their loved ones and like, dad died, or something like that, and His heaven is, like he's playing golf all day, like he just loved golf when he was here, so he just built a massive golf situation for him to do in the afterlife. I was like, that's interesting. That's a really that's really interesting. So that idea of creating your own custom heaven, essentially, is there? What is your take on from from your Christian background, but also from your Near Death Experience Research? Can you explain to people about hell, this concept of hell, this concept of the eternal boogeyman of the devil and all that stuff? What is your take on it from a near death experience point of view, because I'm assuming, as a Christian, you were talked about, you told, told about hell and, oh yeah, I was terrified about it in first grade in Catholic school. So what is your take on it? So people who are worried, because there's a lot of people like, I'm gonna die. I haven't been I haven't been perfect. I'm gonna go to that other place.

David Suich 59:41
Well as we discussed, consciousness learns through contrast. So the deeper the contrast, the greater the change. So it's like pulling down on a bow and arrow. The further down you pull on that bow string. When you release it, the arrow goes higher. So if you experience complete separation. Emotion from love, or have the illusion of being completely separated from love and connection

Alex Ferrari 1:00:04
In life

David Suich 1:00:05
In a hellish experience, it makes you appreciate that heavenly experience that much more.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:11
Yes, but that's an experience that's not a place. What we're talking when I'm suggesting, what I'm talking about is people are afraid of that place that they're going to, that God's gonna throw them into a fiery hell for the rest of eternity, and that kind of thing you that doesn't exist from your point of view,

David Suich 1:00:27
Oh no, it does exist, certainly,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:29
But, but for moments, just for them to go through it and then come out of it.

David Suich 1:00:32
There are countless number of realms in the afterlife of varying vibrations, and the lower vibrational ones we would characterize as hell, and the higher vibrational ones we would characterize as heaven. But I don't pretend to understand it all. I do understand that the contrast is there, and it's part of a learning experience. It's not permanent. It's not a punishment. When a soul is ready, they will always come home. Sometimes you have to experience that for whatever reason, but I don't completely understand it. I know it is part of the perfect divine plan of creation. There is a perfect plan, and it's working itself out in its perfection. That is a message I've heard over and over and over again in my interviews, and so I do trust that there's a reason for it. That is the one thing that I'm curious about, that I wish I understood better.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:22
So the hellish experiences, like Howard's and yes, a few of the ones that I've had on the show, those hell this experiences are now our brains are going to start to hurt, are specific to the life that they're living now. So in other words, like you and I are both living this life. If we have a hellish experience after we die for the period of time that we need to do it is because we are either asking for it on a soul level, for that contrast, to get through it, and then hopefully, now, hopefully, you will get out of it. But that's very specifically designed for this character, this avatar, this lifetime, not the lifetime when you were Greek in ancient, ancient Greece, or Egyptian, or any of that stuff. Does that make sense?

David Suich 1:02:13
Yes, it does.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:14
Okay. Now, with that said, how can you explain multiple lifetimes happening at the same time, which I've heard about because there's no time on the other side. So right now I'm in Egypt. In ancient Egypt right now. I'm walking with Jesus right now. I'm picking up the crap of a Cleopatra behind her, like I'm all of those right now that had had. So you see what I'm saying. Now we're going now we're getting deeper into quantum

David Suich 1:02:41
Yeah, don't ask me about temporal mechanics. I can't be Well, I did get something from my guys as we were talking example of how something negative is sometimes needed. The example they gave me is my whole life. I watched the way my parents interacted. My dad was divorced twice. My mom got remarried, got divorced, so she had two marriages, two divorces, and I watched the way married people talk to each other, and I just said, I'm never getting married. This is not for me. I don't need that in my life. And I had to experience extreme loneliness

Alex Ferrari 1:03:16
in this in life

David Suich 1:03:19
to appreciate a partner, and my wife needed me, and she was ready when we were boyfriend girlfriend, to be married. She knew this is the guy I'm going to marry. And then I broke up with her after two years, and she says, God, what's going on here? Well, I wasn't ready, and I had to go through three years of extreme loneliness to be able to appreciate the joy of having a good partner to support you, even though you get in Little tiffs sometimes and you get at each other's nerves, that's part of it. And it's been such a learning experience, and she has really helped my spiritual growth come to the next level. And so I think that's an analogy of how a negative experience can be used for positive growth.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:59
I mean, in general, all growth in life happens from contrast,

David Suich 1:04:04
Yes, that's what we're doing down here.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:06
Sure, every time I've ever gone through a difficult time while you're going through the difficult time, it sucks. Yeah, yeah, it sucks. But only in hindsight you go, man, that's what I needed time.

David Suich 1:04:09
I needed that. There's a show on YouTube called I shouldn't be alive. And it's very interesting, because these people will come back from these life and death struggles. They get lost in the woods or in the desert or in the mountains or at sea or something, and it's a life and death struggle. And they come back and they say things like, you know, I patch things up with my dad, who I'd fallen out with, I appreciate each day more.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:45
Yeah, because you have to,

David Suich 1:04:47
And it changes them for the better. So these experiences, even these earthly experiences that are very difficult, they're not punishments. We took these on for learning and growth. As a matter of fact, I heard one testimony. Recently, where this person was being taken around heaven, and she met these various souls, and she met this one beautiful spiritual being that was just shining brighter with more love and beauty and color and peace and joy than the other she had met. And she said, How did you get this way? And that spirit said, Oh, I had a lot of earthly lifetimes. I went through a lot of crap. So there's a reason for what we're going through down here.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:27
Can you dive in a little bit into the life review? Because that's always a fascinating part, and that's what gets everybody that life reviews are not judgments, to my understanding,

David Suich 1:05:37
No,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:37
They're not judgments. They are just showing you the positive and the negative, and it's not even the positive the negative, that you either choose love or you don't choose love. Kind of thing, from my understanding of those things, can you dive into a little bit of what those were throughout all of the all the testimonies you've heard?

David Suich 1:05:55
Sure. So about 25% of Near Death Experiences experience what's called the life review, some review, only highlights of their life, where others go through everything they ever said, thought, did and felt with a difference in this life, you're one person. You seeing through your eyes, hearing through your ears, from your consciousness in your life. Review, you literally become every person you've ever interacted with, and you experience what they experienced in reaction to what you did. And that even extends to plants and animals. And I'll give you an example. One guy was shown that one of the crowning achievements of his life was taking in this stray cat that showed up at his door. He said, This is a crowning achieve my life. How is that? Well, I'll tell you first, from his perspective, what happened. He owned a farm. He had animals on this farm, pigs and goats and cows and chickens and bunch of dogs and cats, and one day, this starving cat shows up, and he says, Okay, one more animal took care of it and took care of it, and took it in and nursed it back to health, and it became part of the family, and he experienced it simultaneously. From the cat's perspective, the cat had been abandoned as a kitten. It did not remember its mother. All it knew its whole life was struggle to survive and suffering and fear of being eaten by a predator. It had moments where, you know, it caught a big field mouse or something, and had a nice meal, and it was a nice, sunny day and a safe place. And it had a few moments of joy, but all it knew was loneliness and struggle and fear and suffering and pain its whole life. And one winter, it got too weak, and by springtime, it was too weak to hunt, and it knew it's over, I'm gonna die. And the cat knew, well, there's this farm over there where there's other animals and they're being taken care of, but I'm not part of the herd, so if I go over there, they're probably gonna kill me, because I'm an outsider, but I don't have a choice. This is my only shot. So it goes up there, nervous, thinking this is the end, and they take it in. And for the first time it's in its life, it has friends, and the children are petting it, and it has food every day and comfortable place and the other cats to play with. And it changes this cat's life. Completely transforms it, and even in extensive plants, one guy's going through his life review, and he gets this part where he's got this half empty bottle of water. He's out and about in the city. He doesn't want it anymore, so he's going to throw it away. And he had, what he said, like a stadium full of spiritual beings watching his life. Review, 10s of 1000s. I've heard that watching this life review with him, so he sees this little plant struggling to grow in the sidewalk, and he thinks, oh, it's a hot day. I'll give that plant the water before I dump it out. And when he did that, these spiritual beings erupted in a deafening cheer. So the life review is to teach us one thing, the importance of love in all circumstances to all aspects of creation, even plants and animals. That's what it's all about. It's all about love.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:09
So then, I don't know if I want to go down this road, but we eat animals. Many of us do. How does that work?

David Suich 1:09:18
Well, that's understood by heaven now, right now, based on human biology, some of us need meat products. Others don't, and there's a growing move towards vegetarianism and veganism, which is great. We will eventually, as our consciousness rises, we will evolve, and our biology will evolve as well, and we will move away from eating meat products, and we'll eventually develop technology to replicate even plant products down to the molecular level. So we'll probably have a mix of naturally grown, grown fruit foods and some replicated foods in the future, but right now, the first. Step. We don't all need to become vegan right now, but the first step is to treat the animals we use as food sources with love and compassion. And there's already a great movement of this going forward, cage free chickens and free range beef and and if it Yes, grass fed. And if you treat the animals you use as food sources with love and compassion, not only do you give them a good life, the food products are better, whether it's a secondary food product, like milk or eggs, or a primary one, like meat, and we, we are beginning to abandon this idea of sentencing these animals to miserable existences, living in their own feces, in urine, just because it's more economical, we're moving away from that a long way to go, still. But animals are not our property. They are our relatives, and they have to be treated with kindness and respect. So that's the first step, and once we get to that, then we'll eventually move away from animals eating animals entirely, and eventually, when we learn to communicate with nature, we're going to form partnerships with animals. Some people who are shown visions of the future, and some channelers have talked about this, in the future, when we can communicate with animals, we're going to say, Okay, you see this garden over here? That's the human garden. You don't touch that, and you bugs and plants, and we're going to grow these other plants over here, and that's what you eat, and so we'll cooperate with them, but we're not there yet.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:28
There's actually, when I was in California, I used to visit a lot of farms when I was there, and there's actually a technique where they actually plant exactly what you're saying. Plant rows and rows of either roses or sunflowers or something like that, for the not only the bees, but for other varmints and other dangerous bugs that would destroy the crop they go and they have. That's theirs. That's where they go to to survive. So it's a protective field almost around them. I found it's part of our agriculture. Again, I'm not an expert in it, but I thought that was pretty fast.

David Suich 1:12:07
Oh, my goodness. Thank you for so much for telling me that I did not realize that this had already started. That is concurred,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:14
That's been, that's a technique that's been around for a minute in organic farming and the diversity. But, yeah, it's something that they kind of leave out a sacrificial lambs, almost, for the bugs and stuff. So they don't even, even they do that kind of for animals as well. They'll block off stuff, and they'll give, because if you give them, you know, their own food, they don't destroy your food. So you plant a little extra for for the animals that have to come in, or something like that. There are, there are definitely organic farms that do things like so that it is slow and but it is happening. This whole change is very slow, but at the same time it isn't. We'd like to see it faster. But this is moving at I see it. It's moving at the speed of like comparatively to where we were in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s, even in the early 2000s it just seems everything is speeding up.

David Suich 1:13:08
It is accelerating.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:09
Everything.

David Suich 1:13:10
Time itself is accelerating. On Earth,

Alex Ferrari 1:13:12
I know, I just looked at myself in the mirror the other day. It's, I don't know. I didn't know if that phenomenon happens as you get older, because when you're young,

David Suich 1:13:23
well, no, that's the time is speeding up. It's part of the raising of consciousness on the planet. So we're in third density right now. Well, we're actually in fourth density. So third density has a time element to it. Fifth density has no time element to it. Fourth density is where time is malleable, and that's where we are out right now. So we're in this transition between third density and fifth density, and we're going to be moving to fifth density eventually.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:46
Well, there's moments that you kind of time flies and there's moments that time stand still. So in the DMV, time is standing pretty close still. But when you're doing something you enjoy, time flies by. It's like watching a good movie. If you watch a bad movie, it takes forever. You watch a good movie like that, three and a half hours, Jesus, like it just flew right by because it was so well done. But yeah, I we do that now almost. That's why the flow is called being in the flow. Athletes, you just lose all track of time. Artists, writers, painters, you just lose time. I remember working on a project, and then when I looked at the clock, it was 10 hours.

David Suich 1:14:30
Time flies when you're having fun. That's a common saying. Now, why is that? Well, everybody in the medical community knows that stress and anxiety causes premature aging. You look at some of the presidents that go into office and come out eight years later, they look 25 years older, right? So it should be logical to understand what I've heard in my research is the opposite is true. When we're in a state of joy or doing what we love to do, or fulfilling our sole purpose, time actually slows down. You're eight. Aging slows down. As a matter of fact, Kryon, channeled by Lee Carroll, said that in the future, 100, 150 years from now, as the medical scientists look back at the ever increasing lifetimes and humans getting older and older and older, there's going to be a dip right around the time, and they're even called the corona dip, and they will be able to account for the damage that the disease did to certain people who survived and so forth. And they said, Well, wait a minute, the average lifetimes dipped way more than what that accounts for. And then they will realize that fear and anxiety shortened people's lifetimes

Alex Ferrari 1:15:42
Interesting,

David Suich 1:15:43
And so when you're doing something fun or what you enjoy doing, the reason why time flies is because literally, less time has passed.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:52
So fear, fear and anxiety is what's being fed to us on a daily basis through social media and through the news.

David Suich 1:15:58
And we all know this. I mean, there's that old joke, if I had an hour left to live, I'd spend it in math class. It would make it seem like an eternity.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:09
That's actually funny. That's actually very, very true. I probably wouldn't do that, but, but I get listen. David, tell me a little bit about your book, The New World, the new world of love, humanity's Great Awakening and the utopian future as foretold by near death experiences, spiritual channelings and ancient wisdom. That has a mouthful, but tell me a little bit about that

David Suich 1:16:36
Well so what I did is I took the few small percentage of Near Death Experiences who were showing glimpses of the future. And I put that together with certain channelers, not only extraterrestrial channelers, but also spiritual channelers, so people like Bachar, who had on the show crayon and others, and then some of my own psychic communications with guides, some ancient wisdom. And I kind of tried to put it all together. Because when you look around at the world today, it seems like everything is falling apart. It seems like we're quickly deteriorating into a state of narcissism and chaos, and that humanity is doomed to destroy itself. Well, nothing could be further from the truth. We are reaching the breaking point of an old system, the chaos before the change, so before all great positive changes, there's almost always great chaos, the American Revolution, the Emancipation Proclamation, the freeing of the slaves, the women's suffrage movement, you know, fighting for the right to vote, the civil rights movement of 1960s Well, we're in a big shift right now. This is the big thing. All eyes of the galaxy are upon us. This is a an exciting time, because humanity is finally going to make the shift into a higher consciousness and become an Ascended species and the world 150 years from now, which is kind of what the book talks about, some of the changes, and it gives some examples of what's happening today that gives evidence of how those changes have already begun. It's going to be as different from the world was 150 years ago. No electricity, mostly farming. I mean, it was a totally different world, and it's going to be a different world in the future. So that's what the book talks about.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:16
So tell me a little bit about what the future holds for us then. I mean, for so many people are terrified about what's going on right now. What do you what from your research and and all of the insights that you've got gathered, what is this? What is What are a few things that we have to look forward to in the future, in the near future, specifically?

David Suich 1:18:36
Well, the first is going to be peace on earth. So sometime around the year 2070, give or take, a decade, humanity is going to change. Gonna achieve peace on earth. Now, a lot of people think this is the end goal. Well, peace on earth, we've made it. We're done. That's just the first step. I mean, imagine if you had a group of engineers who were tasked to design a new, modern car. And every time they got together, their disagreements were so fierce that they ended up in physical fights. Well, when they finally sit down and said, Okay, today we're not going to get into a fist fight, that's when they start to make progress. So once we start cooperating with each other, there's going to be huge changes, and we're going to see tremendous benefits. So I'll give you one small example. What happens when there's peace on earth? We don't need military anymore. In the last 10 years, adjusted for inflation, the United States has spent $9.3 trillion on military spending. What could we do with just that 10 years of

Alex Ferrari 1:19:36
Oh my god,

David Suich 1:19:37
True to the nature of an engineer. When I asked myself that question, I created a spreadsheet. So I came up with some things, and I took quite a bit of research to to put these in. We could give $26,000 to every man, woman and child living the United States

Alex Ferrari 1:19:54
For every year.

David Suich 1:19:55
No, just well, if you took 10 years of spending, that's what it come out to be.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:00
Right, got it.

David Suich 1:20:01
Or we could give a million dollars to every homeless person in the United States and give $57,000 to every homeless person in the rest of the world. Or we could convert the entire United States electricity system to renewable energy and have enough money left over to repave every road and rebuild every bridge, or we could remodel and repair every house in the United States, or last one, we could feed every malnourished person on earth for 180 years. So just the efficiency benefits from that one little thing is going to be huge. Now. How is peace on earth going to be achieved? Well, some of that's going to be through technology. So there's a chapter in the book called a quantum leap that talks about these quantum technologies that are coming along that we're not going to have yet. We're not ready for it, like giving a knife to a two year old child.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:58
Yeah? We went to Alexander the Great, right?

David Suich 1:21:00
Yeah, we weaponize it right now. Well, in the future, there's going to be quantum fields that go over whole areas, like a city, that prevent certain kinds of reactions taking place, like gunpowder igniting or a nuclear reaction. What are you going to do when you can't blow each other up anymore? You're going to have to find peaceful ways to work out your differences. So technology is going to be something that pushes us towards peace on earth.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:21
So there'll be a technology that will not allow gunpowder to go off, yes, or nuclear or nuclear bomb to go off. Yes, yes,

David Suich 1:21:30
Quantum technologies. Now we got the first taste of this. It was just a little side news item, but to me, it was a huge thing. In 2016 they measured gravity ways for the first time, and both gravity and electromagnetism are quantum, multi dimensional forces. So there's four basic forces of nature, electricity, gravity, strong, nuclear, weak nuclear. There are two more that we're not aware of yet, so there are six total

Alex Ferrari 1:21:58
That's going to happen. So what else can we look forward to? What else in our lifetimes, in our lifetimes,

David Suich 1:22:07
In our lifetimes, okay, so in our lifetimes, let's talk about short term. So environmentalism is going to become almost a cult like religion, which is probably going to be good. We've been trashing our air, soil and water for centuries, and that's got to end. Mother Earth has been stressed, and so that's going to push us in the right direction. There's some panic going on, and when you panic and have fear, you make bad decisions. So one thing that's happened is they tried to push electric cars before they were ready, and they used a nickel manganese cobalt technology, which it's got its limitations, but 10 to 20 years from now, the battery technology is going to be so good, they're going to be developing things like solid state batteries and sodium ion batteries that are going to cost 1/5 of what the batteries cost today. And instead of 1500 full cycles, you'll get 30,000 full cycles. You'll see a car battery lasts through five new vehicles, and 10 to 20 years from now, they'll be so good and so cheap that gasoline cars will become a thing of the past. So that's going to help clean up the environment. We're going to have low temperature geothermal. Our renewable technology is not very good. Wind kills birds, and according to the channelers that the birds die, we die. Solar is expensive, and both wind and solar have to have a fossil fuel backup because it's not windy and sunny. 24/7 but we'll have cleaner, better technologies. We may see the quantum technologies for power generation in our lifetime, if we live into our 90s

Alex Ferrari 1:23:43
Fusion,

David Suich 1:23:44
No, it's called zero point energy. So forgetting everything we know spiritually, just what our scientists know there's enough quantum energy in one cubic foot of space to run the United States for an entire year. And once we learn to access that quantum energy. People have seen this in their near death experiences. There's little boxes about the size of microwave. They sit in your house and they run for 5100, years as a quantum energy generator, zero point energy, and you get free clean energy, no downside. 24/7, no more wires, no more power outages, no more electric bill that's coming,

Alex Ferrari 1:24:21
And that's within our life, don't you think?

David Suich 1:24:23
Yeah, we're probably 30 years away from it, according to our scientists,

Alex Ferrari 1:24:26
Towards the end of our life.

David Suich 1:24:28
I don't know the timeline on that, so I'm not sure about that. In our lifetime, I think they're going to eliminate GMOs. I think figure out that they're that's ridiculous, causing sterilization and all sorts of other problems. And there's going to be just a new political party in the United States that's younger and that's going to come up with easy, simple, obvious solutions to age old problems that nobody thought could be solved.

Alex Ferrari 1:24:56
Interesting,

David Suich 1:24:56
There's going to be a new constitution in the United States and. There's going to be a department of compassion. How about that, instead of a department of war? And I think that's going to happen soon, within the next 20 years, if I had to guess,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:11
A department of compassion,

David Suich 1:25:12
People are changing consciousness, is rising in the future. And this was a crazy thing that I thought, No, this is never going to happen. Companies, businesses are going to compete based on integrity. Look how good we treat our employees and our customers, especially ones having a problem. Look how we leave no trace and don't harm the environment.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:32
There's some of that already going on.

David Suich 1:25:34
It's, it's starting already, isn't it?

Alex Ferrari 1:25:35
A lot of companies like that now that they that's, they lead with that and the new generation coming up. That's what they look for.

David Suich 1:25:42
Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:42
The legacy, the legacy brands, are having a real big problem with that, because they they what worked on us. It's not, we're

David Suich 1:25:49
Not going to work on the young people,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:50
The new generation. They don't. They don't buy that stuff. They want to buy products and and to consume services from companies who are ethical, who are doing good by the world, and they lead with that. It's pretty fascinating.

David Suich 1:26:04
And of course, we have things like the growth of cooperatives, the top down pyramid structure of authority will eventually die because it's not efficient. When decisions are made far from the people they affect, democracy becomes an illusion. And so when I started researching co ops for the book, I thought, well, it's probably less than 1% I was shocked to find out that 10% of the world's workforce is is employed by cooperatives, companies like the mondragone Corporation in Europe that's involved in all these different industries, and instead of using their money For endless corporate profits and and benefiting the rich. They're distributed among the workers and the customers, and they're reinvested to to benefit the community. Stop and that's growing fast. It's already starting. So, yeah, we're going to see tremendous changes in our life. The new world of love is coming. The Long Night of the barbaric age is finally coming to an end. Thank goodness.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:06
Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing David?

David Suich 1:27:11
If you go to thenewworldoflove.com, my email is there, and you can send me an email and ask me any question, and I answer them for free. At the time of this recording, I'm still answering all emails. I'm slow. I might take four to six weeks to answer

Alex Ferrari 1:27:24
This interview. It might take a little longer.

David Suich 1:27:27
And there's a link to my spiritual counseling sessions and to my book there. And of course, if you really need to talk with somebody right now, I'm between jobs, and so if you're in financial hardship, you can just write me an email, and I can offer a counseling session at no charge, right now, I'm I'm okay with my schedule, that I can do that more now. I don't know how long that'll last, but yeah, I can do that for now, because it's not all about money,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:54
Right! But it's also about time too. There's only so many hours in a day, sir, I know in the other in the fifth dimension, we have no of these issues. But if you're hit with 10,000 people, yeah,

David Suich 1:28:07
I didn't think about how many views this might get right, invite me.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:12
So be careful. I'm warning you, because

David Suich 1:28:14
I maybe we should edit that out.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:16
We've been down this road before with other guests. So with that, said, everyone just know that there's only so many hours in a day, and you're not gonna be able to do a 10,000 free session.

David Suich 1:28:27
Well, I was trying to go along with something I said my first book, I said, we have to abandon this dangerous notion that things can be only done for money,

Alex Ferrari 1:28:35
Right!

David Suich 1:28:35
You know, we have to start learning to help each other, that it's not all about economy or or the the almighty dollar and and that's going to happen in the future, we'll start cooperating. So I'm encouraged.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:45
I'm just curious to see what the world would be like without money as a main driver, if everyone already has all their needs met. And, you know, they they don't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore. Well, what? What's going to happen, like, what's the motivation for people to to build new companies or to build new products? I'm curious about that, to see how that's going to work. I can't see it through the eyes.

David Suich 1:29:12
Well, I've heard about that sort of,

Alex Ferrari 1:29:13
Tell me.

David Suich 1:29:13
So when you're in a struggle to survive, and most of us, many of us, I would say, are in survival consciousness, you're trying to just pay the bills and get through the day without going crazy and without losing your mind. And when you're in survival, consciousness, your creativity, your enthusiasm to do what you love, to do, to make a beneficial contribution to humanity, to really do something that benefits society, that's set aside, I'm got to focus on surviving, and so when that need and struggle is over, it's amazing the creativity that comes out when we're not fighting each other, when we're not worried about this person is going to steal or rob from me, when we're living in a world where there's peace and you don't. Have to be afraid to leave your door unlocked. It's the exact opposite, tremendous creativity, tremendous help. Whole organizations. How can we make the world a better place? People aren't lazy,

Alex Ferrari 1:30:15
No,

David Suich 1:30:15
They're not

Alex Ferrari 1:30:16
No,

David Suich 1:30:17
And they're going to spend their time doing things that are good for humanity

Alex Ferrari 1:30:21
And for them,

David Suich 1:30:22
Helping their neighbor, helping the world, creating new products and services that solve problems we don't even know we have. Yeah, it's going to be a good thing.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:33
David, do you have any final words for the audience?

David Suich 1:30:37
These lives are extremely challenging sometimes, and sometimes you just feel like giving up. Just never give up. Hope good things are coming. Everything that we do down here on planet Earth has a purpose, and that purpose is always for our highest good, and we don't always see it. But the most important message I can leave as we wrap up is, number one, know that you are loved more than your human brain is capable of comprehending. And number two, the new world of love is coming your your grandchildren are going to see it.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:18
David it's always a pleasure talking to you. This has been such a beautiful and hopeful conversation, and I hope, with all of my love and heart and soul that people who need to hear this hear this. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken the planet. Thank you.

David Suich 1:31:34
Well, thanks for having me on the show, and thanks for all you do for humanity as well.