Alex Ferrari 0:00
You know, every major sports franchise has a totem. Many of them are animal totems.

Shawn Leonard 0:06
We have a deep relationship and connection to the animal nation. And it's not just indigenous people, not because we feel like we just made them up, but it's something that we've had a connection to. When I was young, I was I was drawn to polar bears, but, you know, never thought anything, right, never thought anything of it, until it came to me in the dream. And then, you know, now that I've received six different parts of the bears, etc, but I don't believe that they leave you, He stared me in the eye, and it was almost like he was downloading me with information, like he was telling me his stories.

Speaker 1 0:06
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion Shawn Leonard, man, how you doing Shawn?

Shawn Leonard 1:16
Oh, it's so awesome. Alex, it's so I think it's super cool to be returning a champion.

Alex Ferrari 1:22
I appreciate you coming back.

Shawn Leonard 1:24
I absolutely love you. I love your show. I love your audience. I love everybody that's on as guests. So I feel very honored and privileged to be back here.

Alex Ferrari 1:31
You've made the trip from the great white north, sir,

Shawn Leonard 1:34
Not so white right now, still, thankfully, but the leaves are getting different colors right now.

Alex Ferrari 1:39
We look chilly, but when you walked out here, you were like, Oh, it's hot, little crispy out here. Is that the devil I just saw exactly. But well, first of all, thank you for being part of the Soul Mastery Summit. We had your your sessions were like, one of the favorites. People loved your sessions because you just telling story after story after story. And it was just such and I sat there like this. Just sat there. Tell me Shawn.

Shawn Leonard 2:10
I have that natural ability of talking.

Alex Ferrari 2:12
You are storyteller.

Shawn Leonard 2:13
Could be a curse to my wife. But other than that, it's

Alex Ferrari 2:16
Brother from from another talker to a talker to another talker. There we go. My wife is also the same, like, Okay, can we this is a lot,

Shawn Leonard 2:25
Michelle, are you still listening to me?

Alex Ferrari 2:27
I stopped 15 years ago. So we have a new book coming out, and we're gonna I've never had this conversation on the show, which is exciting for me. You have a book called walking with your spirit totem animals, discovering the four animals that guide you through life. So I've heard of, obviously, totems. You know, even the American Indians have those totem tote poles, yeah, totem poles, right? And the different totems. And, you know, every major sports franchise has a totem, yeah, many of them are animal totems, you know, like the Cougars, the Jaguars, the Dolphins. I'm very sad. I'm a dolphin fan. Been sad since, and the

Shawn Leonard 3:06
The blue jays just won the other day.

Alex Ferrari 3:07
Look at that. She's a blue you know the fierce Blue Jays, the fierce attacking Blue Jays. But So explain to me, what is a spirit totem animal? What do you mean by like, connecting to your specific animal, because from our from the Latino culture, and this is more Mexican than Cuban, but we have, if you saw Coco, the CoCo move, the movie Coco, about the Day of the Dead, there are spirit animals, okay? There's in the in the Mexican culture, right? Who on the other side are protectors of you and and guide you and help you along the way. So in the Latino culture, we are aware of these kind of things, yeah, as well. So I'm somewhat familiar with, like, you know, a totem animal, or an animal that helps you or guides you through this side. But we're, look, tell me what, tell me, sir, explain to me what this is.

Shawn Leonard 3:53
Well, in indigenous culture, you know, we're, we have a deep relationship and connection to the animal nation. And it's not just indigenous people. Obviously, what you're saying is the Mexican people and Egyptian people, you know, the pagans, the Celtics. You know, there's so many cross cultural people, the Hindu people, especially, too. Oh yeah, you know, I mean, so pre Christianity, pre like, kind of new thought of what we thought was new thought 2000 years ago, which an Ascended Master came, and we kind of like started to kind of drown out all other kind of ideals, especially within Turtle Island or North America, that even indigenous people kind of lost our connection to the understanding of the animal nation. And it's really I feel coming back. And I think we, you know, we can't walk through life in harmony without with the animal nation. None of us have pets. Or many of us receive signs of messages from the spirit world, from animals as well, or insect nation, or, you know, ocean creatures, etc, animals of the air. And I feel like that, they carry messages for us. And, you know, growing up. Yeah, I'm from the bear Nation. I'm migma from Nova Scotia, Canada.

Shawn Leonard 5:03
So the migma is a bear. Is there Totem?

Shawn Leonard 5:06
No, there's different totems in relation to, you know that we have, what's the word I'm looking for, but we the clans. Okay, so the Bear Clan, the Bear Clan, there's the eagle clan, the caribou clan, the beaver clan, etc,

Alex Ferrari 5:21
The Blue Jay clans.

Shawn Leonard 5:22
But it sounds like a pretty cool one, and

Alex Ferrari 5:26
In Toronto, I think.

Shawn Leonard 5:27
But the clan system was predominantly set up in indigenous people to because we didn't have last names. Okay, so to genetically have a strong tribe, you didn't marry people. If you were from the Bear Clan, you didn't marry people within the Bear Clan.

Alex Ferrari 5:42
Oh, so you, you actually were, you were actually not forced, but you were, like encouraged, to marry it outside of your clan. That's a good sign. That's you don't need a bunch of inbred bears.

Shawn Leonard 5:53
So we know, right! So that's why it was so important to connect with other cultures, other indigenous people, and that's why sometimes there was trades within communities that had different clan systems, so that we would be healthy and well, and we something we would have known throughout the ages.

Alex Ferrari 6:08
So that's very interesting. So even at the and this is we're going back hundreds, if not 1000s of years of this kind of stuff, they knew that we can't marry within this gene pool, we need to to strengthen our immunity in our lives. We need to kind of mix with other cultures,

Shawn Leonard 6:27
With other cultures and societies of indigenous

Alex Ferrari 6:29
So they knew that at a base level, they did at a base level, they're like, No, we're Bear Clan. We only meet with Bear Clan. No, no, no, we beautiful

Shawn Leonard 6:38
For being from the Bear Clan, even though growing up and knowing this, because I was taught this by the chief of mabuga, First Nation, which is the nation which I'm from or connected to, that I really never had any strong connections to the animal nation as I was young. Because, I mean, again, you know, indigenous people have lost their culture, predominantly because of like colonization and residential schools and all these things, which is kind of been stripped from us, of our understanding, our ideals, that elders have been passed down to us. So we're remembering, we are relearning some of these concepts. In a sense, there's elders that would be able to pass these things down, but there are few. And so for me, particularly, and predominantly, it wasn't, you know, growing up, I had up, I had an immense connection to the animal nation. And, you know, I used to have a pet raccoon, a pet crow. I'd saved a few other birds in my time, and I had cats and dogs, and we had what you call like animal fur family, you know. So I felt very strong, and we do today, right? And, you know, even back to Egyptian times, you know, they had, you know, they revered their cats and their connection to cats, right? And they were even buried with their cats,

Alex Ferrari 7:49
Yeah, poor cats.

Shawn Leonard 7:51
Hopefully, they finished their lifetime.

Alex Ferrari 7:54
Oh, he's that, damn it. I gotta go too.

Shawn Leonard 7:56
But you know, our ancestors are helping us remember our cross cultural connection with the animal nation, and how it's kind of like appeared to me, in a sense, even though I'm an indigenous person, was through dreams

Alex Ferrari 8:10
As I was thinking, as you're talking, I was thinking, I'm like, every culture has this. I mean, Africa, for God's sakes Africa and in Australia, within the aborigine and it's a very kind of, not primitive, but base thing of we had a deeper connection with the animal nation in our past, and we've kind of lost that as we've gotten more intellectual, or more this, or more that we've lost the feeling of it. But now people are it's kind of like we've gone over the hill a little bit, and now we're like, no, no. This religion thing's not really working out for us. Let's start going back to things that were pagan or things like that, and connecting with your animal, your animal partner, and things like that.

Shawn Leonard 8:48
I think that, you know, even in Christianity, if you think about it, you know they have spiritual beings of not ever lived a life on Earth, and angels that are cross kind of human nation and the bird nation. Oh, yeah, the way it's depicted? Yeah, yeah, it's depicted that way. Do they appear that way to all people all the time? No, they don't. I've, I've met angels myself. And yes, right? And they appear to people differently, absolutely. And I don't think they necessarily need to appear as a winged flaming sword. Have I seen an angel like that? Yeah, I recently have had that experience. I have a course called Spirit talker tribe, and at the end of the year we have a gathering within the course. It's called Spirit talker tribe live. And as for all my students who come, and there's a lady doing readings on my session named Lisa Dawn Brian, and she's a first year student. She's really stepping into her abilities. And so I give people who are really stepping into their abilities at the live session, if they would like to get up and do sessions. She stood up on stage and she did session. She did amazing. I was so proud of her, because I was a big part of that development and unfoldment within her. So I'm really. Grateful. I feel like a proud daddy, in a sense of like helping people become the people they need to be that's beautiful. And so as she was speaking, I saw something with her, and it was psychically, not like physically, but, you know, psychically, through clairvoyance, I saw this beautiful woman standing with her arms outstretched, with like feathers all beneath her arms. And I said that it's so strange. I said, at least, I said, I just saw this. She says, Well, that was the lady who came to me in my near death experience. This is the lady who brought me back to to earth when I died. So it's an angel. It was an angel. Now in indigenous culture, like we celebrate the connection, the cross cultural connection, between the animal nation and the human nation. And hence our powwows. You may have heard of a powwow before. In Migma we call them maomis, which is the gatherings. And as we gather, then we may embody the prairie chicken or the bear or the wolf or the fox or even the great eagle. And there's different dances and ceremonies that we would do to kind of like represent that

Alex Ferrari 11:01
In those ceremonies. Are they about connecting, or, like, are you trying to connect with the Spirit? Like, what does that mean exactly? Is it a celebration?

Shawn Leonard 11:10
You're, you're a spirit for for a short time. And it doesn't necessarily have to be your totem. It may be sure, you know, maybe for myself, I would, I would maybe dress up as a bear or the ego, or etc, because those are some of my totems.

Alex Ferrari 11:22
I see that you have an eagle. Yeah, so are you? Is that? Because that's not your clan, your clans bear no so what? So why do you wear the eagle? What's out of curiosity,

Shawn Leonard 11:30
It's in the seven grandfather teachings, one. But my name is Wabat Gipu Aguda Mahajakjik Mahamajik in Migma

Alex Ferrari 11:38
Easy for you to say Sir

Shawn Leonard 11:39
Just you know, I'm gonna get test you after see if you can say that I have a hard enough time saying I forgot this.

Alex Ferrari 11:47
I don't. I'm not good with names. Bob, so you know,

Shawn Leonard 11:48
White Eagle spirit talker, okay, that is my translation. That's their translation in English, which is my migma name in English, is White Eagle spirit talker. So I carry Eagle medicine. Now, mind you, even though, when the elder had gifted me the name, I had been finding eagle feathers everywhere. But that summer, I was in Newfoundland visiting some of my relatives, and close to the mabuga First Nation, and I was out on a few beaches, and I found three white tail feathers from an eagle. I didn't tell the elder, and then I come home, and I thought it was very kind of significant that I would find three white tail feathers. And then when he went into trance, and then, you know, he was gifting me my name through ceremony, he kind of goes into an altered state of channelness of sorts. And then says, you're to be known as wabakibu gurumajigham, which is white eagle spirit talker. And so then I felt that the eagle nation had been with me, and it's the highest of all the seven grandfather teachings, because there's seven grandfather teachings. Number one, the wolf, humility. Number two, true turtle. Number three, bravery, Bear. I got him on over here. So you just love Eagle Yes, because I find when I'm on the spotlight, sometimes I forget this, right? So I rather not forget this. This is pretty important respect buffalo wisdom, Beaver and Sabe, or Bigfoot, which is honesty,

Alex Ferrari 13:12
You say Bigfoot, yeah, okay, we'll talk about that in a minute.

Shawn Leonard 13:15
Yeah, absolutely. That's one that everybody's gonna be interested in, yeah. But love is kind of the foundation of the sound seven grandfather's teachings, which is what Eagle embodies. So how I approach my work as a spirit talker, you know, and a psychic medium, as some people may know, I'm an indigenous psychic medium that love is how I approach all my work, how I approach spirit, how I approach the ancestors, and that's how they approach me and respect me in equal in return. So it's a medicine that I carry. It's within my name. And that's why on the eagle that they have the heart. Now there's also on the eagle, you may see some strawberries, you know, and strawberries, in indigenous culture, represents a heart medicine. So it's medicine that different plants can help us with in life, and it's good medicine for your heart and to walk through life. It's even in the shape of your heart, if you think about, of course, right?

Alex Ferrari 14:06
So, like the walnut is in the shape of your brain, right? Absolutely, your brain, right? Cauliflower, right? Looks broccoli. They always have kind of brainous esque they're good for you. It's awesome. It's pretty amazing. It's nature's amazing,

Shawn Leonard 14:19
Absolutely. So love flies, you know, or the eagle, and the medicine of unconditional love that it carries, why we see it that way, and the Condor for southern southern America, Native American people would be very similar as the eagle nation, but the eagle flies higher than all the other birds, closer to what we say is gazul or grandfather's son, or nisgum, which is grandfather sun in the sky, which we feel and see as the first physical emanation of light within our solar system. But it's we're all star people. We're all made from the stars. We're Star Dust. So we see that when we that's why we're all drawing kind of unconsciously to sunsets or to the sunrise. And, you know, just standing in the sun and feeling it, there's just this kind of like unconditional love that comes from the sun itself. It doesn't like Shawn, you know, Shawn only on Shawn, or Shawn

Alex Ferrari 15:12
Oh, there might be a Shawn out there, who believes that the sun is only for him.

Shawn Leonard 15:15
Exactly. It shines upon everyone unconditionally. So that's that kind of like representation of the heart of our solar system, and that first light as the ego flies higher, that ego receives first and it can fly above all the storms. It can see from higher perspectives in the world, and see the world as a much greater space of being, as opposed to its own personal experience. So that's why we connect that medicine, that spiritual medicine, to the eagle itself. Does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 15:45
That makes that makes perfect sense. So, okay, so you're, you're, this is, I find this so fascinating. One thing I've noticed that I kind of seen over the years is indigenous people from around the world, they have a much greater respect for animal life, yes, and for plant life, and for Mother Earth and all of that. I'll never forget. I love the last of Mohicans. That movie was beautiful in the beginning opening scene. Do you remember last Mohicans.

Shawn Leonard 16:14
I don't. I it's funny that you mentioned this, because is so strangely because, for whatever reason, on my Facebook, one of the little algorithms of videos, the last Mohicans showed up, and it was the last battle, not the beginning, unfortunately.

Alex Ferrari 16:27
So the beginning of that movie is a hunt. And when they they are chasing a deer and they're trying to end, they're trying to kill it, and then when they finally get it, they go down and they pray around it, saying, Thank you for giving your life to feed us and so on. That is a very kind of, and I when I say primitive, I don't mean that in a negative way, just kind of like a base, base level idea, almost just like it's just what it is. It's the right thing to do. We've lost that we've had. We've had a very big disconnect with our our food and an animal in the animal kingdom, though, I think you're right, there is starting to make a we're starting to be more conscious of that. We're starting to make more be more content.

Shawn Leonard 17:08
We have to be. I mean, there's, have you heard of the White Buffalo Calf Woman prophecy?

Alex Ferrari 17:11
No,

Shawn Leonard 17:12
Okay, well, the White Buffalo Calf Woman was an Ascended Master, okay, that had visited the Lakota and Nakota people way back in the day, and and she had come and brought a pipe and helped the indigenous people who lost their understanding of what their culture and their ceremonies were. So she brought the sacred pipe, which is just a tool for prayer and connection and remembering the connection of all things. So she taught them things, and then she passed away. But before she passed away, she kind of disappeared from my understanding, as some ambassadors do that. She said, I will come back, but when I do come back, I'll come back with a message about I'll come back as the white buffalo. So the white buffalo represents this kind of, like, pay attention again, to the balance of nature and all things within the world and and I know that you have spirit talker.

Shawn Leonard 18:08
Yes, we have show Yes, we have spirit talk one. On Next Level Soul TV, sir, on Next Level Soul TV, very popular. People love it. People love it,

Shawn Leonard 18:15
Which is on there, and season one, and we're working on season two and season three. Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, in season four, I went to Sioux Valley, Dakota nation. And you know, way back when I first started to get reconnected to my culture, I met this, this man Andre Chevrolet, who was an Algonquin medium, and he gifted me something. And it never really clicked to me until much later in life, but he gifted me a little glass bead that had ashes of the white buffalo. And what's the significance of him gifting me that? And I kept it, and I never thought about it anymore. And then here I'm filming season four of spirit talker, and I'm in Sioux Valley, Dakota, nation, and they have 16 white buffalo. They have, they have a herd of buffalo. And, you know, in the odds of a white buffalo coming into the world are significant, like, I don't know it's like one to the millions. Yeah. I mean, there's some in Utah, yeah, we started, and the reason why they started to become more apparent to us is because they're sending a message from White Buffalo Calf Woman about how we're to remember the connection between us and all things in nature and within the animal nation itself, because if there's not balance, we won't be able to survive or live upon this earth for a super long time. Because that's why it's so important that we keep in mind, you know, not not allowing animals to go instinct, because there's like, a very delicate ecosystem within Mother Earth that we have to care for. And you know, if we don't become stewards of the land, stewards of the animal nation and the Sioux Valley people are stewards of the buffalo because they have given us life. Indigenous people for so long, they that they were caretakers to us. They provided food stuffs into. Clothing, you know, things to wrap our tools, to wrap our teepees and wigwams in that no, now it's time for us to care for them. Does it mean that we cannot harvest an animal from time to time? Yes, I'm pretty sure they're not harvesting white buffaloes. But because

Alex Ferrari 20:16
You would think, yeah,

Shawn Leonard 20:18
They've never mentioned that.

Alex Ferrari 20:19
But here in America,

Shawn Leonard 20:22
Well, in Canada, a little bit different. But they, you know, and I know they harvest an animal from time to time, and but they, they, they keep a healthy herd that is strong and filling in the, you know, in season four, I got to meet Eye to Eye some of the white buffalo. And it was profound.

Alex Ferrari 20:43
Yeah, I got, I was in Utah, and I actually went to see one. And they're pretty, pretty amazing. Yeah, pretty amazing.

Shawn Leonard 20:49
And, you know, one of the things that the elder had me do when I was there was tie tobacco prayer tie onto the fence of where the buffalo were. And when I stared at the White Buffalo, he stared me in the eye, and it was almost like he was downloading me with information, like he was telling me his stories, telling me about his life and what he represents within the world. And so I prayed. I tied my prayer tie to the fence, and he and he come and put his head on my tie, and it was like he was hearing my words, and I was praying for His people. Was praying for my my nation of people, their nation of people. I was praying for all people of the world to to live life and learn about balance and remembering who we are in that ecosystem. You know we and we think of and I know just recently, which is sad, because just the other day, I got a message from somebody that said, well, spirit animals don't have spirits, right?

Alex Ferrari 21:44
Oh, yeah, the animals don't have souls. Yeah? Anyone who's ever looked into an eye of an animal, you can't tell me, there's

Shawn Leonard 21:50
No they carry love. They carry so many unconditional death. I mean, we all are created from the same source, right? And we have a word in Migma, which I'm in all indigenous cultures, we say, I'm sitting on the Migma, but it's all my relations and all of our ceremonies, our prayers, our words that we speak. We end that way. We start that way. It's because it's acknowledging the connection between grandfather, sun, grandmother, Moon, Mother Earth, us, the seven directions, all the nations that walk upon Mother Earth or swim in the waters that fly in the sky. And it's important to remember that all of these things are important. They all have a spirit. And you know, when indigenous people do we do our ceremonies. You know, we honor those directions. We start in migma culture. We start on the east, where the sun rises right that first light, the first light, and then we go around, and then we honor Mother Earth, you know, Grandfather sun, or nisgum and and then we have to honor ourselves as well. And that's one of those medicines that ego brings to us, because the heart is on the eagle, and to be an effective healer, teacher, speaker, podcast, person who's out there, you know, spreading, you know, wisdom and knowledge. You have to love yourself too. And I think this is where, unfortunately, maybe a lot of face and beliefs have put God on a pedestal, or, you know, on a throne and and forgotten that God or creator is everywhere. There's no place that creator is not and that that delicate balance is deeply connected to us. And I feel like the animals are reconnecting to us now to help us remember that. And ancient cultures, ancient belief systems, had that understanding knowledge, but it's been lost somewhat, and it's coming back again. And I think more people are going to have dreams of animals

Alex Ferrari 23:41
You you mentioned in the book The four life stages, the four stages of life and, and, yes, the four stages of life, and how the spirit animals evolve with us through those, yeah, for us. Can you explain that?

Shawn Leonard 23:53
Well, I, you know, because I feel like we have specific animals that are connected to us right from birth. And we, you know, according to the Medicine Wheel teachings, because that's a big part of indigenous teachings, is the medicine wheel, you know, it starts in the eastern direction. There's four directions, but they also represent not just the direction, the cardinal directions, but also stages of life, infancy, youth, adulthood and elder stage of life. And for me, I and this is where this wisdom has come to me, I feel like it's being given to me by the animals and the ancestors. Is that was not taught to me by physical people. I know, I know about, you know, the stages of life from the medicine wheel. But what I didn't realize is that these animal medicines, even though they may have been attached or connected to me all my life, I become more aware of them at different stages of my life. So as very early on in my life, you know, the ego was obviously very connected to me. It became my indigenous name, and then, and then I was gifted the medicine of the white buffalo. I connected deeply to. A polar bear that was very profound, and that is, like, so amazing. And as of recently, and I feel like, because at the different stages, I'm not an elder just yet, and, and that's something has to be bestowed upon you by somebody within your community. That's not something I can just say I'm an elder,

Alex Ferrari 25:18
Right! It's like being part of the Jedi Council

Shawn Leonard 25:20
Right? You're not ready.

Alex Ferrari 25:22
You need Yoda to go. You may join the council so.

Shawn Leonard 25:27
But recently, I had the medicine of the owl connecting me just and I know I'm moving into that medicine because I'm 53 and typically an indigenous culture, you know, around 55 or older, you could put possibly, potentially for be respected as an elder at that.

Alex Ferrari 25:50
I mean, you do get a discount at the movie theater. So I'm just saying I'm almost there, sir, few more years.

Shawn Leonard 25:56
But I feel like at different stages of my life, I've noticed that at at least four animals. And I'm not saying only four, but there's different animals that have come to you at different stages of life, and I've become more aware of that now.

Alex Ferrari 26:08
But when you say polar bear, polar bear is not part is polar bear part of the culture, and generally, do you see polar bear like in your land, where the where your tribe was no,

Shawn Leonard 26:18
No. Well, in Newfoundland, yeah, in northern Newfoundland, sometimes on the ice flow polar bears to come over to the to the island.

Alex Ferrari 26:25
So it's not like a completely no foreign animal.

Shawn Leonard 26:28
It is. It's not like a typically known animal that would be connected to the indigenous people, but we would have known about them because they they still come over every now and then,

Alex Ferrari 26:36
Like a kangaroo that you just, I'm really associated with the kangaroo. There's no kangaroos anywhere in Wisconsin.

Shawn Leonard 26:40
Well, they come over on the ice right, and then the ice melts, and they can't find their way back. So sometimes they have to tranquilize them and bring them back to like Labrador, which is another part of mainland Newfoundland, because there's an island of Newfoundland, so the up in northern part of Gros Morne Park and stuff, sometimes a polar bear will show up in your backyard.

Alex Ferrari 26:59
That's not something you want out of all the bears. They're the most vicious. They're the biggest and the strongest, right, like they are, they're like, even, even Grizzlies are massive. But polar bears are no joke,

Shawn Leonard 27:09
Just probably the largest land mammal, I feel like, in regards to, like, the bear nation anyway, for sure,

Shawn Leonard 27:10
Either, yeah, I mean, obviously elephant, but it's massive. Yes,

Shawn Leonard 27:19
And so with the with the bear, I mean, I didn't know, I, although I've had many encounters for my life with bears, and some of them are pretty freaky. I, you know, when I was young, you know, run into the woods with my with my dog, one of my fur family, right? I didn't know there was a bear. And I was, I was going back there fishing, and then the dog just took off in a bush beside me, oh, pounced this young black bear. Was it a baby bear? It was a young it was young black bear.

Alex Ferrari 27:45
It wasn't Baby Bear, because it's a baby bear. You know, Mama's around somewhere.

Shawn Leonard 27:49
Well, I hopefully my dog would have my back at that time, but the bear just ran off. And there was another time, because I way back. You might not know this, but I used to have, like, an eight pack. Used to be really in shape. Sure, we all did. I used to be like, really fit back in the day, just so you know. And I used to do these racing called adventure racing. And through the adventure racing, I did, the race that I did was called the full moon in June, and the full moon in June always took place on the full moon of June, of course. And it was like a three day race. It was a 36 to 42 hour race. You did it with a team of four people, and you have to have one person of the opposite sex, and it was through the mountains of Alberta, British Columbia.

Alex Ferrari 28:28
Shawn, stop it. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. Oh, oh no, please. I'm exhausted.

Shawn Leonard 28:34
So anyway, on this race, I was always like the fast I was always the person that was orienteering, and I was always the fastest hiker. Hence, I became a mailman at one point in life, because I walked very fast. And so anyway, I'm way ahead of my team, and we're probably third, in third place, and there's like 42 teams, and we walk into this clearing, and in the clearing there's there's no trees, because it all the trees had burned down from a forest fires from previous years, and we all hit headlamps on, and I could see half the distance my team, and beyond them, there was another 40 teams that were coming over the hill, right? And so I see this red thing way up high. I'm like, There's got to be a tree here, right? What? What could be? Read that high. And then there was another one, and they were so far apart, I'm like, There's no way that's like, that can't be an animal, even if it was a bear. I mean, I would smell him or hear him. So I walked closer. Now, from here, you know, from from here, not probably from here to the wall, and up steps this grizzly bear. Oh, and I'm in a clearing with nowhere to go. They're fast, and I didn't, and they were, but he was, he was sleeping. I think he got up on his hind legs to smell me, because he could tell that it was coming. So anyway, I start waving my arms, because that's what you're supposed. Walk backwards, be calm, speak to him. So I'm like, I'm from the Baron nation. I don't taste good, and he didn't seem that interested, right? And I'm walking backwards, and I tell my team to come up and and they said, Well, I said, You guys better get here now. And one of the ladies was supposed to have because there was one lady in her team who carried the bear spray. So I said, you might want to whip that out and just in case, yeah. And she goes, Well, I didn't bring it, because at our last check stop, they checked to see if it was there. And then I thought, we would never need this. Here. We need it. And anyway, the bear starts walking towards us all. And so we start singing, because when the couple, the lady and the other person were on her team, were French, so we started singing, Ferrari Jacques, I don't know if you know that name, Ferrari Jacques. That's the only song we knew together. So the bear walks past us, and it was like a moment that I'll never forget. Wow. And just walked right by. Just walked right by. How big was he? Because there's difference. It was probably the biggest grizzly I've ever seen in my life. We're talking about 1015, foot high. Oh, probably at least that. Oh, Jesus, if you think about a sofa the length of a sofa, and bigger around, no, much bigger than a sofa, right? Like, just, just massive. And he kind of huffed and growled a bit, and then just was an interest in, literally, if you can imagine this, like, is it, you know, was it Moses apart at the sea? Yes, well, that's what it was like, the bear going through all the lights. He was just like they were all partying as he walked through the mall, but, but I had a moment, and it made me think, you know, things like this wasn't an accident, you know, I keep running in the bears. It wasn't until I really had a profound dream, though, that really clicked with me. And in my dream, this is probably about 10 years or so ago, right? I was in a field, very much like I saw the grizzly, and as I was walking through this field, I saw seven shadows of people that were chasing me. And I don't know why they were chasing me, but I knew they were going to do me some harm. So I started running, and I could see the trees off in the distance, and I'm running as fast as I can right, trying to get away from these shadows who I don't know who they are, why they're there, what they're what they were trying to do. And then out of the woods, which is odd, because polar bears don't live in the woods. No, there are no woods where they trade. Seven polar bears walk out of the forest, interesting, and they start running towards me and the other shadow people. So I turn around, I figured, well, you know what? You got outrun. If you can outrun the other guys, they're going to get it, and I'm not, so I'm running for my dear life, towards them now, and I knew I couldn't outrun them. I realized I couldn't outrun them, so I surrendered. I got on my knees, and I waited in the field, and it kind of closed my eyes on my dream, and waited for them to eat me, and all seven polar bears ran past me, and each shadow that was in the field the polar bear would kind of pounce on and they would just disintegrate. And then all seven polar bears turned around and walked into one Great Bear, and he looked me in the eyes. And then I woke up, oh my God. And I was like, this polar bear wasn't there to hurt me. This polar bear was there to protect me. And I realized that there was different types of totems, like there was a spirit animal totem, like the eagle that guides me in a spiritual way. But there's also power totem animals that are there to kind of help protect you when you're going through certain things.

Alex Ferrari 33:11
Shawn, let me ask you, because this is fascinating to me. All right, so when you're saying you're connecting to the power of the polar bear. Let's use the polar bear as an example. Is this on the other side, because that's very mystical to me. What this is, you know, yeah, it's the idea of the power of the polar bear that you're connecting but you're connecting to something else, like, that's not a you're connecting to, like, almost like a a a network or a source, the source of polar bear. So like, let's say there's a soul of the polar bear, an oversoul, the essence, the essence of polar bear, is on the other side, and they're there to help humanity. Now that essence that I'm gonna call it the oversoul, for lack of a better word. So the polar bear, oversoul that represents all polar bears around this world has has his sparks all around and every time there's a polar bear, it's part of Mother Mother polar bear, right? They also create, I guess, totems, or that energy you can tap into because you're connected to them somehow. Is that makes sense,

Shawn Leonard 34:17
Right! In indigenous culture, we call it medicine that, like the essence, is the medicine that they embody, right that they can help you, or you can call upon if need be. So if you're facing certain situations, you may, you may need to be brave, bravery to face a challenge. You could call upon the bear nation to kind of help and guide you.

Alex Ferrari 34:38
And when you say, help and guide you, what does that mean?

Shawn Leonard 34:41
Well, the medicine like, because they're like polar bears, predominantly, if you could think about, you know, the lives that they lived very remote, isolated locations, through the harshest conditions that you can imagine living through. And they're very durable, very durable, right? And, and, you know, all other creatures are scared of them, even especially.

Alex Ferrari 35:00
They can swim, they can swim, they can walk. I mean, they're, yeah, powerful, absolutely.

Shawn Leonard 35:03
And they can go massive distances and do it all by themselves. So when you're facing a challenge, and at that time, I didn't know I was going to be facing a challenge, and I did, and I won't get too deep into it, but there was a family of seven people that had showed up, and one of the people took me to court and was suing me. Anyway, I won, and then they appealed, and I won that. But the whole time I remembered that the bear was with me, and that that medicine was going to help me through this. And it went on for a long time, and it cost a lot of money to kind of deal with, but I dealt with it, and I got through it and but I know it was a teaching lesson for me. And you know, people that come in to create chaos or problems or issues in your life. I mean, they're there. Everybody's teaching us something, right? And the bear was teaching me to to endure and to overcome. And that's what I used to their old time. I actually have a polar bear claw go with you? Yeah, I wear it all the time. And when I connected to the bear, or the bear connected to me, that the polar bear, I woke up. I told my wife, Michelle. I said, Michelle, the polar bear connected to me and and I got in my head that I wanted to have a claw. I said, you know, I need validation that this bear is with me, this Great Bear, and I don't know how this is going to happen. So I had a ceremony. I went into the forest and woods. I laid some tobacco, I smudged, I spoke to the ancestors, including the Great White Bear, waback Moon. And I said, if you're, if I'm meant to carry your medicine, if I'm, you're meant to walk with me in life, I need you to validate in a very unique and special way. I want you to send me a polar bear claw. I don't know how or how it's going to come to me, but I'd really like it if you could send me a claw and I just let it go, and then months later, I get a parcel in the middle from a lady named Barbara Kent Bishop, who lives in Newfoundland, and was just in Labrador, and she wrote me a little letter and with a little package that was wrapped in a red cloth. And she said, I just met with some Inuk elders in Labrador, and the elder had gifted me two polar bear claws. And he said, this one's for you, Barbara, but I have to tell you, Barbara, this other clause meant for someone else, and you have to gift it to this other person. And I can't tell you who it is, but you'll know who you're supposed to gift this to. So she went home. She goes, I thought about it like for five minutes, and I only could think of you. She goes. So I hope that you accept this gift that is given to me to give to you. Wow. And I wear it. I'll show it to you.

Alex Ferrari 37:45
So this is my claw. That's just cheap. Look at the size of that thing. It's a polar bear claw. Oh, my God, that's probably the pinky finger.

Shawn Leonard 37:57
I'm a young bear myself.

Alex Ferrari 37:58
The a pack is gone.

Shawn Leonard 38:05
But since then, it's gotten stranger, because even though that's an amazing thing that has happened, shortly after that, another lady came to my house named Laurie kurudo, and she does, she's MIG ball. She did some part time taxidermy, and she goes, I was just working on a polar bear rug, and I have a little piece left over, and I thought I should gift it to you for your smudge bowl. And then a week later, after that, somebody called me and say, Sean, I you know me, and my mom could really use a session. And I know that you don't do them anymore, but I have this old polar bear rug in my closet that I was thinking of what I could do with it. And I thought about you, and thought about offering it to you if you could do a session for me. I'm like, let me check my calendar. I think I can work this out. And then even writing the book, walking with spirit animals, I received another claw. I received another rug, which a lady reached out to me and said, you know, Can you meet me? Her and her husband? There, this lady, Mrs. Finnegan, and her husband, her father in law, passed away. Her husband's father and he met some Inuk elders up in Northwest Territories, like 50 years ago, and he traded a sled for a polar bear rug with the head, the claws, everything. And he recently passed away, and they were looking at it and thought, what can we do with this? You know, it's in their closet, another rug, and we thought that you would be honored to have this. Would you? Would you accept this gift? We have the papers for it from where it came from, and all this. And I'm like, I would absolutely love to have that. So I'm up to six different parts of different bears over. Years, over the years, and while I was writing this book that the six piece have come to me, I'm still waiting for one more. I believe for the seven, the seven bears. Now in indigenous culture, we have the seven grandfather teachings. Seven is a very spiritual number in relation to the directions, etc. So I don't think it was an accident that those seven bears that come to me, but it's this is not for me. I mean, my egotistical sense of thinking, Okay, this is me. Oh, this is awesome. I get seven parts of bears. It's not. It's about helping other people understand that the animal nation is connecting to us and wants to connect to us and wants to walk with us all, and that there's four animals that probably walk with us all which are, well, it could be, it depends on what yours are, right? They're uniquely different to you. Can you tell? But can you do a reading? I could do a reading like I feel you have a horse that is connected to you,

Alex Ferrari 40:52
An ass of a horse, because that would make a lot of sense. And we explain the tiger too. For whatever reason interesting, a tiger out that I've connected with a tiger. For many I was born the year of the tiger.

Shawn Leonard 41:07
Oh, were you No way? Because I see a tiger and a horse, but, you know, but I would say to you, you know, call upon them and speak to them, invite them to reveal themselves to you. But you, if you already feel connected to the tiger.

Alex Ferrari 41:21
I've always, I don't wear a tiger or anything. Of course, you don't. You know I'm not. It's not Scarface giant tiger or tiger. So I don't, I, but I've always, I've just when I was learning about horoscopes and stuff like that, back in the day, I heard, I'm like, what year was that born? Like I was born, because we all want to be born of the Year of the Dragon. Because Bruce Lee, yeah, I was born the year of the tiger. I'm like, well, that's not bad. You know? It's not like the rooster. No, there's nothing wrong with rooster people. But I so I've always been connected to the tiger energy wise. And anytime I see a tiger or it's just something that's always been in the background since I was a kid, right? When I heard about that horse is new, but Tiger, when you said Tiger, I was like, yeah, that's that's the one animal.

Shawn Leonard 42:09
So where's the like the Siberian tiger from, mainly India, India. And I'll tell you, you've lived many lifetimes in India, and that's why the Tigers connected to you, and that's why you're drawn to the culture, and that's why there's things within you that is expressing itself, yeah, like, right? Indian saints. And so there's a there's an animal medicine that has not only walked with you, is walking with you in this life, but is walking with you through many lifetimes. Interesting. And the tiger is one of those

Alex Ferrari 42:33
That's beautiful. So how do you so look. So everyone's watching this and saying or listening to this and going, this is fantastic. Sean, these stories are awesome. I want seven polar bears. I would like a tiger to hang out with me. What? How can you connect with them on a spiritual level? What can a normal, non Indigenous psychic media to connect to their totem animal and how to connect with them, how to work with them, how to talk to them like, or do you just sit there and go, Tiger like, how do you

Shawn Leonard 43:04
Well, you might already know some of your spirit totem was like you you already feel like, you know, you have a connection to the tiger that I knew for sure. And a lot of people are similar. There's people out in the world that have a deep connection to the feline nation. You know, they may have lived many lifetimes in Egyptian culture, right? Exactly, yeah. Or you've maybe had 10 cats for your lifetime. Your lifetime, which is me included.

Alex Ferrari 43:24
You don't want them all at the same time.

Shawn Leonard 43:27
You may already like, there might be already subtle hints that you feel drawn to a particular animal and maybe,

Alex Ferrari 43:34
Well, the feline in general nation is something I've always been drawn to, right? The tiger. I have cats at home. I've had dogs too, but the cat is something that's been very like, very drawn to that energy.

Shawn Leonard 43:46
And some people are drawn to the canine nation. You know, the wolves. They're all like ancestor. The wolves is the ancestors to all the canines I walk on, correct today. So, you know, there, there might be already Inkling within you of, like, at least one or two animals, that you look first, within yourself, within self, yourself, yes, because the answer is always there. I mean, don't feel like you have to come to me, because I can't get to everybody about coming to me. This is about discovering this stuff within yourself and the connection you have, right? Hence is why I wrote the book walking with your spirit totem animals, right? Right? Which comes out October 21 so if you're watching this after, you know it's available everywhere, right? And if you I'm doing a class on October 23 a free class teaching about it. And I have a meditation that if you put your your receipt code on my website, then you actually get the the meditation, you'll get an intentional prayer, or ceremonial prayer, that would invite your spirit animal totem to connect to connect you. So I've given those out for free for people who are buying the book, awesome. But if you don't buy the book, that doesn't mean you can't have your own personal ceremony, that you can't go somewhere sacred to you, a sacred space, and make some type of offering. Could be a crystal, it could be a medicine that your culture works with, predominantly in. Some way that resonates with you. It could be sage, it could be Palo Santo, or or whatever it is, just make an offering and then speak from your heart to the animal nation. If you're not sure of the animals, if you if you are sure, you can call upon those animals, because you know you're facing a certain challenge where you need to be brave, or you need to be truthful, or some of the other medicines. And in the book, I have written an extensively about the seven grandfather teachings, but the wolf, the turtle, the bear, the eagle, the Buffalo and sabe. We're gonna talk about sabe in a minute. Yes, I know we'll get there. We'll save the best for last year. But you know, you may work with those medicines. You know, some of these are my totems, but depending on what I'm facing, and if I need to be humble, or embody humility in some way, because I'm I'm speaking to people you may call upon the medicine of the wolf, because that's what that carries, that animal, that essence, that particular spiritual medicine that they care, that you can use that to face a certain situation. And we don't like an indigenous people, we don't have, like the 10 Commandments. We have, what the seven grandfather teachings, which represent ways we can approach life, so that we are cohesive and help each other and work together. You know, there and each of these animals carry different medicines, like Wolf, humility, bear bravery, love, Eagle, etc, Turtle truth. And I mean, the turtle has been what, 200 million years upon Mother Earth.

Alex Ferrari 46:30
Oh God, at least 200 shark is even longer, yeah.

Shawn Leonard 46:34
But then the turtle is deeply connected to Mother Earth. I mean, in literally, literally, and I tell you, because on the back of a turtle, time is embedded in it. Yes, I mean within the outside of a turtle's back the shell, they have 28 different sections on the outside, which represents the 28 days. And on the inside of the turtle shell, there's 13 representing the 13 moons. And it's a calendar year with upon Mother Earth. Isn't it odd that an animal embodies time and embodies truth about who we are? For as long as it's been here, it lives forever, too. Yeah, absolutely. They live for like 100, like 50 years. I think they live up to five or 700 years.

Alex Ferrari 47:17
Some, sometimes there's someone that there was one that died recently, was the oldest one that we know of, at least in captivity. And it was like 125 years old, 130 years old, something like that. And it's like it saw, like it was alive during Einstein it was it was alive before World War One. It was alive around the civil war time.

Shawn Leonard 47:35
I think they have one second down south somewhere. I'm not sure I have to, like, I would do your research chat GPT is great for this stuff. But I think there was a turtle that was about five or 700 years old. So to live as long as it does, you know, the way it approaches life and moving slow. Yeah, he's moving really slow and going with the flow, pretty much, you know, it carries its world on its back. And we even called North America Turtle Island, because if you look at North America, it's in the shape of a turtle, and I've put it in my book, actually kind of like outlined a turtle into North America. That's beautiful. So it's, it's pretty awesome. And we would know that as indigenous people if we weren't star people, right, if we weren't able to see either psychically through our visions, or be taken up above by Star people, we wouldn't be able to know that North America itself was in the shape of eternal so I think that, you know, indigenous people are connected to our star brothers and sisters. But also, I mean, we're deeply connected to Mother Earth and all its nations, and we're caretakers. We're all caretakers, not just indigenous people, all people are caretakers of Mother Earth.

Alex Ferrari 48:47
So you mentioned Sasquatch, yeah, yeah. Okay, so listen, all right, Shawn, this is a topic that's never been discussed, really, no way ever on the show. Oh, that's awesome. It is. I've have a feeling that there is a, you know, and similarly to when, like, I had a NASA rocket scientist talk about, you know, other beings from another world, like, well, if you're going to talk to someone about that's a NASA rocket scientist who's working at NASA right now, would be the person to talk to about that same with this. If I'm going to talk about I want to talk about it with an indigenous person from that point of view, right? So what's the I know, from my understanding, from, I'm going to say Hollywood, essentially, especially that one episode from $6 million Man back in the 70s when he fought the Sasquatch guy. It's a, it's a, it's a man, Beast kind of thing that lives in the forest. And then there's Harry and the Hendersons back in the 80s, that kind of movie. That's all I really know about it. And then, of course, that one famous, the one famous shot, yes, that they filmed it and no one knows, is real. Or not? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not that. I'm sure it's not that one, either. So from your point of view, who is Sasquatch or better, as we know, Bigfoot,

Shawn Leonard 50:07
Bigfoot, Sabe or it's been known by different names. Yeah, you know the Yeti,

Alex Ferrari 50:13
But the yetis in the north,

Shawn Leonard 50:14
But very closely related. Yes. I mean, if you think about this, I mean the human age, we only think of ourselves as just and as of recently, even with the Nazca mummies and things like that, they're finding the remains of like Humanoid Type beings that transcend just our understanding of what the human nation is.

Alex Ferrari 50:32
Well, yes, skulls, the different kind of skulls, and things like that.

Shawn Leonard 50:36
And how long have we been on Mother Earth? You know, I think we've probably been seated here by our star brothers and sisters, and maybe there might be some cross cultural kind of genetic stuff going on and stuff like that, but the Anunnaki and that, yeah, right, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of, like, Star people that you know, probably had a hand in who we become, in some sense, right? But, you know, saskwitz is some West Coast indigenous people call him or her. They have, like carvings and paintings in the forest that elders have told me about that predate any type of European connection to people. So there is an understanding or belief that there is this humanoid kind of creature called Sasquatch, or backfoot, that has walked upon Mother Earth. I feel, personally, and I've had an experience with with Sasquatch, just so you know? And the reason why I had the experience is because I wanted to explore and understand what Sasquatch or Bigfoot was. And we are interdimensional beings. We all are.

Alex Ferrari 51:34
I knew, I had a feeling you were gonna go here.

Shawn Leonard 51:36
We're all interdimensional beings. You know, we have people seeing ghosts. Sure, we have do they appear physical sometimes to people? Yes, so does Sasquatch. Sasquatch has walked upon Earth as a great nation at some point. And I do feel like they have the ability to transcend the physical and spiritual and take form for moments of time where people can see them. Do they live here for sometimes they can transcend back into spirit. I'm sure they do. I'm sure they or to another dimension, another definitely dimensional. Because we're, you know, definitely there's, you know, multi dimensional space and time for which we all exist with a pin right now, just as we are. And human nation. If you can see people walking in and just like gnomes. So like, we have teachings, like, I think they're called big bush. I might have pronounced it wrong enigma. But the little people, you know, we have giants, giant people, hairy people like sasquits. And when I was filling season four of spirit talker, I went,

Alex Ferrari 52:29
Apparently, I gotta get season four. These other seasons are a waste of time. I need to get season four. All amazing. I'm joking.

Shawn Leonard 52:37
They'll all come on Next Level Soul TV eventually,

Alex Ferrari 52:39
Absolutely, sir

Shawn Leonard 52:40
And but I got to go out and spend time with indigenous community called Steeles, and their symbol for their community is Bigfoot. That's the picture that they have for their community. And they actually have a place there called the Bigfoot trail that they honor and protect and do ceremonies and it and it leads to one of these spots where they have these paintings in the forest that predate and depict Sasquatch, or they call them Sasquatch. Now, when I was there in the community, it was pretty amazing, because I learned some of this history because I didn't know it. And I got to they did a ceremony for me with their young people, and they were singing their songs and through ceremony, and all their young people dressed up and had made what they believed their depiction of what Bigfoot looks like, and they were walking around like Bigfoot, embodying the spirit of Bigfoot through their ceremonial songs and Dance that they had done for me, it was amazing. I loved it. And a lot of, like, more current type of, like, faces that you would see of like Bigfoot or Sasquatch, where they're they're kind of unique looking. I guess all these masks look like that, like Harry and the Hendersons, no, a little bit stranger than that, really, little bit stranger than that, yeah. And still humanoid, right? But there are people experience Bigfoot often, and I feel like they may come in from other dimensions from time to time. Did you just whisper there? I just want you to know I didn't. You might record a spirit. Okay? There was a breath there that went here. I didn't hear that. Okay. Well, just so, you know, I might pick it up. I'll listen. You listen? Yeah, because I know there's a spirit here with me, and it could be this, the spirit of saskowitz, who knows? Because when I, when I when anybody that is, this is, this is a gift that I have, that I that I don't know why I have. And it just happened recently where I was telling you about previously coming on, when I was in freverton, I was doing a live event, and during the event, spirit had spoke loud enough that the loud enough that the audience could hear the spirits, not just one or two, like half the audience, half the audience heard the Spirit speak, okay? And it was, it was pretty like, a big eye opener for people that are there, you think, for you as well, right? So I have a feeling you're gonna hear a spirit there. All right, all right. But anyway, when. Was out there. I saw the ceremony. I walked up the saskowitz Trail, and I thought I'd really love to connect to this, this beautiful, amazing creature, right? So I invited saskowitz to connect to me. And, you know, they represent honesty and the seven grandfather's teachings, because they Is that you, that's me. Okay. Did you hear that?

Alex Ferrari 55:31
Amazing. I didn't do that. Was that you?

Shawn Leonard 55:37
But anyway, I went out on the trail. I went out on the trail and and I invited because I made an offering, and I walked for some time because I was up there filming. And there's this massive cedar trees out in the west coast of Canada, right? And I think down in California, oh, yeah, the redwood cedars. And I saw very quickly from one tree into another, which looked like a humanoid, haired creature that ran across the path from one tree into another tree, and had to sit there and think, did I just see what I just thought I saw like that was amazing. I didn't see like in the physical form, but I saw what I thought or believe is the spirit form of Sasquatch and it cements my understanding of it being a cross or interdimensional being, so that they can come in and be seen, but also they can choose to not be seen if they if they want to be

Alex Ferrari 56:36
Very much like a ghost, yeah, much like a ghost, very much like a ghost, if they can't be shown, it cannot be shown when you said gnome, that's very interesting, because I know in Ireland, yeah, I think it was. I think it's Ireland. I'm not sure. I'm almost positive it's Ireland or Scotland, one of the two. Yes, that you can get a degree. No way in in finding gnomes. Yeah. Now when you hear things like this, yeah, yeah, you just go, guys, what do you talk like when you talk about but when you start looking at all of this stuff through this lens, yes, all of a sudden you're like, Well, wait a minute, if we believe in interdimensional abilities, the Mandela Effect, even, you know, on a quantum level, like, you know what the Mandela Effect, obviously, is, right? Like, you know, there's shift different timelines, right? Of course, all that kind of stuff. So if we all have this kind of belief that there is something like that, there's multiple timelines, multiple dimensions, even if it's like just the other side, isn't another dimension, you know, like when you're talking to your grandmother, your grandfather, they're in another dimensional, space and time exactly. So what is there not to say that there isn't all these kind of mythical creatures, dragons, fairies, dragons, Yeti fairy Yeti gnomes, all those kind of things that at one point didn't live here, or did live here, you know, all that kind of stuff. It came from somewhere,

Shawn Leonard 57:59
Of course. I mean, how long has Mother Earth been here, and how many creatures have evolved and changed or gone into spirit?

Alex Ferrari 58:04
I mean, just in our lifetime? Yeah. I mean, look at all the dinosaurs. Yeah, absolutely. You know the I think was it? No, I think it was up to 10,000 years ago. They had the mammoth, the wooly mammoth, and the saber tooth tiger was still roaming North America,

Shawn Leonard 58:20
Right! And do people still see Loch Ness or Nasi or there's that Oka Pogo up in Canada? Like, there's so many different names

Alex Ferrari 58:22
That little one down in Mexico, New Mexico, the guy with the little flute, yeah, but those kind of,

Shawn Leonard 58:27
Yeah, absolutely. So they pop up from time to time, and people have these experiences of seeing things, right, right? So they're interdimensional beings, right? They have a spirit. Can they take form? Yes, we've taken form into this physical for this lifetime, we will return the spirit. We've come from Spirit

Alex Ferrari 58:43
So they can kind of shift their frequency, their vibration, come in and to come out. Yeah, and that's why you only see glimpses of it. That's right, absolutely. That's why Bigfoot hunters are not going to find him.

Alex Ferrari 58:43
Well, they might find him for a minute. They're not going to caption

Alex Ferrari 58:50
But the point is that they, but they wouldn't, really, they wouldn't reveal themselves on on a reality show, generally speaking, like we're gonna go find like, that's not where they go, but in a spiritual experience like you had, they might just feel for a moment, just give you, you're not gonna have coffee with them. But no, just a glimpse of like, did I just see that that's

Shawn Leonard 59:17
Because I wasn't sure. I mean, I mean just by what everybody's talked about, I'm not sure if these, like fairies, gnomes, have existed, but I've had experience where I've seen things like that, but just for moments. And it's because there are space and time have kind of crossed for a moment, the frequency of vibration, of alignment, of coming together, for a moment, I've seen them

Alex Ferrari 59:38
So is in your culture is Sasquatch an animal? It part of the animal nation, or part is part of the animal nation. It is part of the animal nation, but it's a humanoid,

Shawn Leonard 59:49
Humanoid animal, yeah? I mean, apes are also humans

Alex Ferrari 59:52
Gorillas are humanoid, yeah, yeah, kind of humanoid, and we're only a few with DNA strands away,

Shawn Leonard 59:59
Right! And they're still evolving, right? Even apes and monkeys today are still like evolving. They're not fully become who they need to be interesting, right? I feel like that. There's a an embodiment, and I think possibly, I mean, if you think about it, because we we see we're all relations, right? These are our ancestors. They've come before us. They've evolved and lived upon Mother Earth, and have become something new and greater. We are still becoming something new and greater. We will at some point, I feel like the human nation, just like our star brothers and sisters, we won't even need to talk. We'll just think about what we need to say to everyone.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:31
But that's the way it is on the other side. Yeah. I mean, spirit doesn't talk with voice. No, generally,

Shawn Leonard 1:00:37
Generally. I mean, I do record them speak with but they do have a voice, but,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:40
But when you're near death, experiences that I've spoken to, yes, all of them that no one had a conversation, No, exactly when Jesus shows up. Yeah, you know it's, it's always telepathy, and it's instant you ask a question. You know the answer Absolutely, it's, it's almost instant it is. Um, so I'd love talking to you, Shawn

Shawn Leonard 1:01:00
But Sasquatch. I mean, see, this is the card. I'll just hold it up here, just for a second. There it is. Oh, there. I don't even know where I am. This is the card from my Oracle card deck that I had. And this is all the art done for my Oracle Card Deck is done by a migma lady named Tracy Metallic, beautiful. So it's all hand painted. Everything in this card deck is hand painted. And I used a Who is it? Aaron Gugu, to kind of help me do the digitally taken the paintings to put on to the to the cards, right? But, you know, so these are all teachings connecting indigenous people, not because we feel like we just made them up, but it's something that we've had a connection to,

Alex Ferrari 1:01:39
Yeah, the legend, if you will, or the myth of a Sasquatch has been around for generations upon general

Shawn Leonard 1:01:46
Pre contact to European people, absolutely. So as far as I know, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:01:50
So it's been something within the indigenous community in North America. Is it a specific North American thing, or is there Sasquatch other places?

Shawn Leonard 1:01:57
I don't, I can't answer that, okay, because I, what I would say predominantly, is probably North American, but Yeti, well, Yeti is in the Alps, but they're very closely related, right? They look similar, just maybe just different color fur, right? So, but, but the Yeti is, isn't that the Alps, isn't that, yeah, and things like that. That is in the Northern Norway and that kind of, yeah. So I feel like there must be some type of like, I mean, if you look at our planet, where the human nation is in, people from Africa, black, sure, different. The red. Indigenous people are red. You know, Caucasian people are typically referred to as being white in brown people, Chinese people being yellow people. You know, it's like or brown people. Like, there's all kinds of colors of people. So why wouldn't there be so, Why could they not be related still, and still have different colors of fur, or embody the same type of form, but just in different parts of the world in different ways?

Alex Ferrari 1:02:48
And could it they, and they could, could have they been at a certain level on this earth hundreds of 1000s of or millions of years ago, absolutely, and this is just a couple of remnants, is of coming in and out when they want to God, just it takes the head hurts. It's beautiful.

Shawn Leonard 1:03:03
I this is a this is kind of a strange one, but my stepdaughter, Ashley, my wife's daughter, my wife Michelle's daughter, Ashley, she has a very deep connection to gnomes, and she's dreamt of them. They come to her. She's got a gnome tattoo, really. And then this is, this is kind of cool, because, and we have teachings a big mouth culture. We call them bigabush

Alex Ferrari 1:03:28
Do they have the same kind of because gnomes, to my understanding, are very European, yeah, but we call them just little people, yeah, but they don't have the pointy hats or, no, that's just, that's the other That's right,

Shawn Leonard 1:03:38
Little people.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:39
And that's, is it Dutch. Isn't that maybe, is it Dutch, or it's, I feel it's like in the Netherlands area is where you see,

Shawn Leonard 1:03:46
But I feel like there's teachings, like, whether you're you go to Tibet about Yeti, of like a hairy out there's different, there's different kind of depictions of our understanding of that, right, too, right? And to the mic people, or indigenous people, we call them a big bush, which is like the little people I might be pronouncing that wrong. I gotta know. I'm gonna get some messages from migball people saying that's not how you say that, but I do my best and but Ashley was downstairs watching TV with her boyfriend, and I have a camera that's kind of pointed out the window outside. And one night, I got a notification that there was some movement outside. Stop it. I did, and I caught a little guy waddling no stop about this high do you have that footage? This is, this is a weird part, because I often delete all of my recordings and and I deleted them all. My wife saw it so she can vote for me. I know it's gonna sound silly by saying this. I saw a little person, and I showed it to her, and she goes, Oh my God, that's a freaking gnome. I'm like, it is. And I said, is it odd that actually is downstairs when we caught this? But maybe I was never meant to show it to anyone.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:50
Well, no, they're not. That's not what they Yeah. But I feel like that.

Shawn Leonard 1:04:53
We call them tricksters, right? The gnomes are the little people the big blue bush that we feel that they can influence us in different. Ways with their medicine. So maybe they're not meant to be seen, but just meant to be known that they're there. And I, and I know what I saw. It was in a figma imagination. I literally had it on film on my security camera, and it looked like a little man with a little hat, and no, I'm waddling across my deck.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:17
So what? What energy does the Sasquatch have in this, in this honest paradigm, honesty,

Shawn Leonard 1:05:23
Honesty because they have to accept themselves as they are. They teach us to just beside despite being different, because they are different than the typical human nation or other creatures within the forest. But they embody honesty because they have to be honest with who they are, and they bring that teaching of honesty. Because, if you're facing a situation in life where and many people are afraid to be who they are, yeah, right, yeah, because they're they're fearful of judgment, or they're fearful of of what somebody might think about them, or, you know, then it's, it's then you can call upon the medicine, the essence, a Bigfoot, to kind of help you to be honest with who you are in life, and to accept yourself in life, to love yourself.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:13
So with all the animal nation totems that you've connected with, yeah, many of these seem to be North American, yes, right, but there, but in other cultures, like the kangaroo, I'm assuming, I'm assuming the aborigine have the Tasmanian devil and,

Shawn Leonard 1:06:29
Well, it's like you, you're connecting to the tiger, right? There's no Tigers here. There's no tigers. I mean, unless you're the tiger guy from TV there,

Alex Ferrari 1:06:37
I'm from Florida, sir, please, please don't Tiger King, no, no, they're not native tigers. To my understand, Tigers were not native to North America until they were brought over here.

Shawn Leonard 1:06:47
But that doesn't mean that you only connect to North American creatures. But you know, for me, it is, it's it is that way, of course. But for someone else, you may be very deeply connected to the elephant or the kangaroo or the snake you know, or and there snakes in North America, but there's the armadillo. Who knows? Yeah, and they all have different medicines, and I won't know them all, just I didn't write the book, thinking, Okay, well, I'm gonna list all the medicines of all the animals of the world. No, no, yeah, we'd be like this thing, maybe even thicker, I would say, you know, if you feel connected to an animal from another nation within the world, because Mother Earth is a great big place, you know, then redo your research and find out what that animal essence embodies, and how you can call upon it if need, if you need to.

Shawn Leonard 1:06:48
So what does the tiger have? Just out of curiosity, I don't know. Oh, you don't know the tiger. No, I don't know the tiger. Okay, but I mean, assuming it's strength,

Shawn Leonard 1:07:40
I would say strength. You know, they're very protective of their family, right? Because I feel like that the mother, just like the Mother Bear, is very, I'll be very protective. And, you know, they, they're very family orientated, if you think about it, because they, they hang out in prides of like, like lions, etc, so that they are very deeply connected and work together. Interesting. They support each other. Interesting. So I feel like there's medicine there. If you really do your deep dive on your research in regards to the medicine that a tiger could carry, you'll find that there's a lot of that that you embody.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:12
Now, is there any, is there any totem of animals that have long passed Well, I mean, obviously Sasquatch is not something you hold on to. So like, do you have the T Rex? Maybe somebody, can you connect to the Bronx horse? Like, just ask saber tooth tiger.

Shawn Leonard 1:08:29
Maybe I've never heard of it, but it doesn't mean that it's not possible.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:33
Well, I get Yeah, I mean it, they probably wouldn't have been in the last 10,000 years or so where a lot of this would have been started right in the

Shawn Leonard 1:08:41
Well, I think it's always existed, yeah, of course, for primitive people, I don't like to call them primitive, because Exactly, yeah, it's just technologically primitive, you know, because we've all been quite advanced spiritually and connected to Mother Earth very deeply. You know, that transcends like probably 100 1000s or hundreds of 1000s.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:05
I mean, you look at like in the popular culture, there was a movie called Black Panther,

Shawn Leonard 1:09:05
If you think about Neanderthals, yeah, like, primitive people, right, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:09:07
So, like in Black Panther, there was a lot, like, in the African cultures, all about animal totems, like a lot of like the Jaguar and this and that, and the when he went into the other side, when he died, to become black panther. Do you ever see that movie?

Alex Ferrari 1:09:24
I did see black panther. I don't really remember it that well, but I remember

Alex Ferrari 1:09:29
So that he went, when he was dying, to become the Black Panther, he had to go to the other side where he met his ancestors, right? And they were all Panthers. And then one of them came down, and that was his dad. But all of his, all of the other kings, were all Panther sitting in a tree, right?

Shawn Leonard 1:09:40
Beautiful. I think, you know, and I'm not 100% sure of this, this would be only kind of a philosophy or a thought process here, that potentially, we have been our animals. Oh, you mean, we've evolved today. We've chosen to to live lives. We were spirit, first and foremost. We're just an orb of light. Yeah. We, and I think predominantly, we mostly take on the form from which we're exist within now, but throughout time, through the desire to gain knowledge and wisdom, we may embody an animal as a spirit in in the past, and we may have deep spiritual connections that we why we're so kind of cross connected, like like angels, that there may have been experiences that we've had where we were the tiger, or we were the eagle, and many indigenous people go into trance, and they are the eagle. They they will see the world from the Eagles point of view. And you could call that in a sense, and there's this word shape shifter, yeah, right. And that's kind of an indigenous slaughter teaching. That's where our spirit and the spirit of the animal from which you can embody. And there's people that talk about maybe becoming these animals, right? But I don't necessarily feel that it's like a physical thing. Is this like skin walkers? Or is that different? Maybe, I don't know.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:57
Okay, yeah, a whole lot about skin walk,

Shawn Leonard 1:10:59
But shape shifting, that there's there's people that you know that have experienced people becoming an animal, or an animal becoming a person, etc. And it could be a spiritual thing as well, not necessarily a physical person doing this. It could be a spirit that is able to kind of transcend those different forms.

Shawn Leonard 1:11:12
I'm gonna have to test you now. Shawn, yeah, on 80s television shows.

Shawn Leonard 1:11:20
Okay, I might be good at this one.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:22
I think I have you and I are both similar vintage as they say. There was a movie, there was a show, had only one season, but back then, there wasn't a lot of content, yeah? So it was a show, I'll never forget it, and it's a pretty bad show, yeah, Manimal, I didn't see you that. So Manimal was a dude who can, literally would transform into three animals, really a panther, either an eagle or a bird of some sort, and it was some other, I forgot the third animal, but the transformations were the same guy who did, like the Werewolf in London. Yeah, American. That whole like that in the whiskers are coming out. It was so bad. It looks so horrible. Anyone who wants to have a good time just go to YouTube and type in Manimal opening, yeah, and you'll just see this, just because the because back then, you remember all of them had like this, like minute, minute and a half long opening of the show, right? Like the A team and all those guys, and they had an opening, and it's just him transforming into an eagle, a panther and something else. And that's how he would fight crime.

Shawn Leonard 1:12:28
I mean, I mean, I don't, I've never experienced anything like where I've seen somebody kind of transform. I mean, that's, I would say, in indigenous culture, it's more of a ceremonial thing, where you can go into trance and maybe connect to the spirit of the ego and become one with the ego for a moment.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:42
Let me, let me. I want to talk to you about this, the trance. So from my understanding, when you're saying like, you go, you know, you have a ceremony, and either it's with, is it either with a plant medicine or sometimes without plant medicine?

Shawn Leonard 1:12:54
Well, we don't normally use plant medicine in your in your in my culture, in your culture, okay, yeah, so you're not taking peyote. No, I will be. Though. I think in the winter, me and my wife and her oldest daughter might be going, we're going to Aruba for a little bit, because we love it there. Yeah, but we're going to go to Peru and they, which my wife's already done, like some ceremonies with some elders down there. And I'm interested in maybe, like, giving it a go.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:19
Please report back. I want to know what happens,

Shawn Leonard 1:13:23
But she said, some pretty awesome experiences. And so

Alex Ferrari 1:13:26
When you're doing these ceremonies, it's more like, like, Okay, so in your in your culture, do they do a sweat? Lot a sweat? We do sweats? Yeah, okay, so sweats. So when you're in a was it called a sweat?

Shawn Leonard 1:13:26
It's just a sweat lodge, but the ceremony that takes place is a ceremony, that takes place as a ceremony, sweat ceremony, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:13:42
So you go into this teepee, if you will, that's or, yeah, and you're, it's hot, it's a sauna. It's like a sauna. And then I guess in during that process, you be in, you're in there for a while. It's not like you're in there.

Shawn Leonard 1:13:56
Well, there's different rounds, and each round represent different things. So you'll die if you stay, no, you're right, you and you can stay in there. But we open the door between rounds right to get some air. Yeah, because it gets hotter each run, the fourth round is the hottest. And, you know, I've seen things in sweat ceremonies that are so what I've seen spirits or people I'm usually, I'm told by elders not to say too much, except just focus on what I'm there to do, which is, like, you know, you the different rounds. There's a pipe ceremony in the sweat ceremony, as well as there's usually a pipe carrier, one that that would say the prayers are leaded the ceremony itself. And then we all would pass the pipe. We all pass water. Sometimes we will pass berries and share food. But we'll pray for for other people. We'll pray for everybody in the sweat lodge. They'll be around for that. There'll be a prayer for you know, the women of the world that are in your life, etc.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:43
Is it? Is it a way in that, specifically in this ceremony? Is it a way to kind of just break down the physical? It's about prayer, yeah, but the heat, the aspect of ease, is breaking you down to the point where you're just opening yourself up to what's happening, because the. The heat is just, it's a lot. It's a lot. So your body is like freaking out, and your mind could finally,

Shawn Leonard 1:15:05
It's like rebirth one, because you're almost like entering the womb, re entering the womb. And then you're saying prayers connected to Mother Earth, and you know, the great spirit, etc. And then you call upon them to kind of hear your prayers when you pray during this it's really about prayers and ceremony when you're there, but the heat is, it's a little bit of like when you're in a sweat, you're, you know, the energy that the moisture, because you pour water on the red hot rock, so you know that it amplifies your prayers, the ceremony. But it's also a little bit about suffering, yeah, right. Because when, when you suffer, because life is it can be struggle, and we do suffer, stop it. And if you're praying for somebody that you know is going through cancer or right, we can go there and pray for that person. And but we're suffering, and we believe that when we suffer and we pray for them, we're taking some of their suffering away from them. So we're trying to help them, even though they may be still making their journey home to the spirit world. We're trying to make it easier for them through our ceremony, through our prayers of words, and maybe taking on some of the pain that they may not have to carry through that process.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:13
Okay, all right. So then so other ceremonies, when you're like, you're connecting to the animal energy or the animal totem, right? Is this kind of a form of meditation, channeling? Well, there is it exactly.

Shawn Leonard 1:16:29
There's different ceremonies. There's one ceremony where you could go without food or water for four days and sit in a spot in the forest. Well, that'll do it. Yeah, you'll start seeing something. You will. You think I'm hearing people here, wait till you're out there, and you'll be here, you'll hear a lot of come tell you all kinds of stuff. And and you'll be challenged to, you know, with different spirits, because they they will try to get you to come out of the circle. I've heard people have spirit people come to them, and even like Earth bounce, or like earthbound spirits that will then try to, kind of, like, stop you from your ceremony.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:01
And so in the show Yellowstone, yeah, you've seen, you know about that show?

Shawn Leonard 1:17:06
I have seen Yellowstone, yeah, actually, kind of like the show for a while.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:09
It's a great show. It was, it was a great show. There was this, because they're cowboys in Montana, but they're really connected to the land, yes, and they're connected to the indigenous and one part of and she's he was married. The character I'm talking about was married to an indigenous woman, so he needed to go out to do that. They went out to the into nature, yes, and they in the the Indians were putting a circle around, right? You stay in your circle, and you stay in your circle. And in that time, that's when spirits would come in trying to get them out. And they literally said this to, like, in the show, yeah, they're like, they're gonna try to tempt you. Go, no, yeah. And there was a wolf that kept, they kind of brought him in, but that was his totem, his totem. His totem was the wolf, you know, the protector, the this or that. And, God, it's fascinating that they pulled from, they pulled from this story to incorporate it,

Shawn Leonard 1:18:01
Yeah. I mean, that's it's very accurate. It's an indigenous ceremony. It is very accurate. So people have had two, three days, yeah, two, three days, four days, no food, no water, no food or water. And it has to be something that is overseen by an elder, because they have to keep an eye on you and keep checking on you. And then after the you start the whole ceremony with a sweat, so you're already a little bit dehydrated, and you can drink some water in this weapon only, like a spoonful here and there through the rounds, because you pass water around as well. And then after that, you go into the circle. You know an elder will come and oversee you. And then you'll have visions. You'll start to you may embody the spirit of the eagle, you may embody the spirit of the wolf or the bear. And maybe there's like a message that you will receive because of that, how you need to approach a certain situation or an aspect of life that you need to get stronger in. And then you end it with a sweat. You start saying stuff, yeah, it's, you know, you're into an altered state of reality.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:58
That's what I was. That's the word I was looking for. You become, you go into an alter state, right? So not taking peyote, you're sweating it out of you.

Shawn Leonard 1:19:06
You're in a fast thing. You're an interdimensional space and time interesting. So you're, you have a foot in both, yes, worlds. You're in both worlds at that time.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:14
That's amazing. So that's kind of what,

Shawn Leonard 1:19:17
And there's that levels of energy, right? The higher level energy, there's low, Earth Bound energy, right where some spirits reside, and some animals and creatures reside as well. And you know, in your spirits, kind of like crossing between all those levels of energy,

Alex Ferrari 1:19:29
The consciousness of humanity right now, do we, like when you connect to a certain animal, do we kind of evolve to another animal? So, like, I started off as the wolf, and then now I really can, like, how does that work?

Shawn Leonard 1:19:41
Well, you know, when I was young, I was, I was drawn to polar bears, but, you know, never thought anything, right? Never thought anything of it, until it came to me in the dream. And then, you know, now that I've received six different parts of the bears, etc, but I don't believe that they leave you. I feel like we gain more medicines.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:57
So you just keep, you have a tribe of animals. The stages of life. So explain these four

Shawn Leonard 1:20:02
So like the infancy of stage of life, there may be one or two animals. It could be a spirit and power tone. I'm not as with you in the infancy stage of your life, as you move into the youth stage of your life, there could be two, two new animals that present themselves, but the other guys haven't left. No, they're still part of your tribe. They're still part of your soul group, right? Just like the bear has been showing up all my life, but I didn't really know how strong it was connected to me till later. And the eagle, you know, I've just recently, I just met an elder when I was up in Fredericton doing my event, which is a province in Canada, and she gifted me an eagle head, and she's gifted me an eagle talent, and I have to take it to a taxidermist to kind of finalize it so that I can put it on a staff or something like that. Something like that. But she says, and this is where she goes in the trance sometimes, and different elders, do they receive a gift of an animal from, like a wildlife park, or somebody that is like an Eagles, like died on the power lines and they found the remains. And then indigenous people can go to the natural resources and say, you know, do you have any that I can use? And they'll say, Yes, I we've just discovered this eagle. They'll take it, they'll do ceremony, and then they'll go into their their ceremony, and they'll be told by spirit which parts are supposed to go to which people. So the spirit had come to her and said, I need to give Sean this eagle head, and I have to give them the talent or the claw as well. So she recently gifted me those, and they're home, and I have to, kind of, like care for those and finish the process and and on top of this, somebody just called me and said, because I live in Nova Scotia on the ocean, she said, Sean, I just found this eagle that washed ashore. I can't keep it because it's illegal for me to have but I've saved it, and I think that you may want this, and it's legal for you to have it. I can have it as indigenous people in Canada. We can have the remains of animals that are especially endangered or protected, but we're using it. We're not killing the animals. Yeah, that's for right? Especially protected animals. That doesn't mean that. And if you're at the bear nation, you probably don't go bear hunting, right? You're not killing. If you're no, you don't. You don't care the buffalo. You don't eat the buffalo. But could I go moose hunting? Yeah, I could, and but I would still respect that animal and honor the medicine that the animal. I would, I would, I would, I would every bite of that animal that I would eat. I would honor it and thank it for the sustenance and a life that it's given me. And that happened just year and a half ago. I've not hunted my whole life. I hunted when I was young. That's not true. I used to rabbit hunt and stuff and but I had a dream where I was in this in the forest, and I saw a bunch of moose walking through the forest, and one stopped and looked at me, and I woke up. I told Michelle. I said, Michelle, it's so weird because I know I don't, I'm not. I don't have moose medicine that I carry, but I had this dream of these moose. Later that afternoon, I get a call from an elder in New Brunswick. It says, Sean, we're going moose hunting. You should come with us. I'm like, and my wife's going like, that's not an accident. So we go up to New Brunswick, and I don't have a license, but as an indigenous person, we go with an elder. I don't even own a gun, so we're we, I'm staying at their camp. This is her name's Juliette Barnaby from listaguish in near Quebec, New Brunswick border, and so we go to her camp. We get up the next day, we go for a little drive just to see if they're moose. And I have a psychic vision. This is where I'm like, did we drive by here? I'm seeing moose tracks in my head. And he just jams on his brakes and goes, Oh, look, there's 13 moose up on the hill. And it was just like the dream that I had. He says, If you're going to to take a moose, now is the time. So I got out, he prepared the gun for me, told me where to shoot, a name and how to dial in the scope and the moose like and he said, Well, there's a buck off in the in the trees, but there was only one standing in the clear. And he was like she presented herself to me, just like in the dream. And I took the shot, and it ended her life. And then, you know, I said, should we go up? He says, No, you give her time to make her transition. So we went, had breakfast, we came back. I brought my tobacco. I laid tobacco on the animal. I put my hands on her heart, and I thanked her, and I prayed for her, and I'm and we're not that conscious of the food that we eat when we go to the keg, you know, and have a station. We don't think about the life of the animal that we maybe have taken just a disconnection, right? There's a disconnection for understanding it and respecting the animal nation. And so he showed me everything that I needed to do for to harvest an animal to bring home, and I have, like, a whole freezer full of moose, and every meal I have, I am grateful, I'm thankful, and I think about the moose, and she lived her full life, you know, she was quite old, so it was just everything in line for that to happen, and I knew it wasn't access, especially I'm writing. The book. And I think Spirit wanted me to share the understanding that, you know, animals aren't just our friends, you know, we, I mean, the plant nation as well, have life and spirits, you know, of course, but so all animals and but we have to be respectful and honor them, and only take what we need, not to abuse it.

Shawn Leonard 1:20:02
Yeah, the world's having a little bit of problem with that now.

Shawn Leonard 1:22:02
We are, and I think that's why the animal medicines are coming back to the human nation. Now, connecting to people is to help us just be more conscious, more connected and know that that that finite balance between all nations.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:02
How can you tell in Have you had experience with this where animals come to you as messengers, yes, not only in dreams and in spirit, but in in real life. Like I've heard so many stories of birds that just keep landing on your Yeah, in a place after someone has passed, and like she loved Blue Jays and all of a sudden blue jay is always outside the window.

Shawn Leonard 1:22:02
Yeah. Well, my dad used, like, after my dad passed, I started getting Blue Jays would just show up and just walk at me, just like, squawking at me, like, and then before that didn't happen. No, nothing like this. And it was just, it was actually kind of abnormal, like, how many blue jays were coming around me. And then blue jay feathers start showing up. I start getting Blue Jay feathers and and I remember, after my dad died a long time after, like, I hadn't gotten a blue Jay feather in a long time, and me and my mom were going for breakfast, and she goes, Do you think you still feel them around? I said, Oh, absolutely. I feel dad around. You know, get out of the we went for breakfast. We come back and right where my, my my car door was, there was a blue Jay feather sitting there. I'm like, What's the odds of that? Mom, you know, you know that, that we just spoke about them, and you're asking me if I feel them around and then that there's a blue Jay feather there. It's not an accident. I mean, Spirit people can use animals as messengers to remind you that they're still with us. So there's this cooperation or connection to the animal nation, even with spirit,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:02
And do when, when they do communicate with you? Is it that's one version of communication, which is spirit, using animals or partnering with animals to give us information. But how about if it's your totem? Yeah, now hopefully a polar bear is not going to show up, and for me, hopefully a tiger is not going to show up. But let's say you have a more kind of, not kinder, but more domesticated animal, yeah? Like, if you're connect well, but let's a perfect example, if you're connected to the feline world. You know, I assume tigers are part of the feline Absolutely, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, the dogs are part of the of the wolf nation, yeah, of course. So is a representation of my I mean, you use me as an adult, the tiger my cats will have, they will give me some sort of message. Or is there a way to communicate? Because I told this story the other day on one of the episodes, and I think it's very important to tell the story again. So please forgive me if you've heard this, guys, my dog, who's a very sick, he was very he was a paralyzed for the last five years of his life, and I took care of him when I was a kid. Just in the back, yeah, yeah, yeah, just in the back, yeah. I can see your dog, yeah. So he, you know, I probably kept him alive longer than he should have, because he crawled around in his too. Yeah, it was diaper and all this so, but I did that for and he taught me valuable lessons about everything he was with me, and I was a bachelor and all this kind of stuff and and then I met my wife, and then about a month after we were dating, was the first time she came over. Yes, she came over. She met him. The next day he left. Wow, he died next day, right? He's kind of like, Thank God, I can rest now. I'm waiting for you. Jesus. Two years later, I can't take this guy anymore. He's yours, yeah, kind of energy. And I have a picture of him. I keep him the house all the time, and my daughter's asking about him. We have a little, a little Christmas tree ornament that my mom gave me. That's a little, a little, he was Corgi, yep, it's a little Corgi with a little halo. And he always goes at the top of the tree, right? Every Christmas and, you know, my kids know about him and all this kind of stuff. So it was, he was communicating with me in that way. He just, there was a connection.

Shawn Leonard 1:22:02
There was, I mean, he's part of your soul family, right? You're, there's no question. You have a cross cultural connection in relation to many lifetimes, too. So I feel like the fact that he showed up in your lifetime, and I feel like animals can show up on your lifetime more than once, lifetime more than once. Well, I have, I have a couple of cats now. And, yeah, you swear they're probably a cat from another time, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:29:48
Oh, well. I mean, one of them definitely is, and the other one man, he just came up, and he's like, when we went to the to the shelter, we were picked up when we got him, my daughter, my daughter. Daughter. One is like, I want a dog. I'm like, I'm not getting you a dog. It's way too much work, and I'm gonna have to deal with it. No, yeah, yeah, okay, I'll make it. We'll get you another cat. So, like, we had one cat in the room for one daughter, and, yeah, we got the other cat for the other one. He just came up and just, boom, head butts. Yeah, boom, head butts. The most loving cat ever. And then he attached himself to my wife, yeah, that's it. That's that's his person, right? I'm second, but that he number one. He doesn't even look at the girls,

Shawn Leonard 1:30:28
Yeah, because we like fascinating. I have little dash outs, oh yeah, little long hair, dash outs and scout and my, my second one's called Obi Wan. Well played, yes, well played, sir. And anyway, when, when I met, because we had Scout, he, you know, he's probably over four or five years old, and I felt like he needed a little companion, because we're, I travel, and I think he needs a little friend. There's a kid and keep him company, keep him young too. Because, I mean, he just wants to sleep all the time, and him and the cat don't get along necessarily. So I feel that it was really good for him to have some another brother, sure. So we got Obi. But when I met OBI, I recognized him. I, when I saw him, I used to have a dog when I was young, and he was, he was, he went vicious, unfortunately, and he got hit by car. He was just a puppy. And I, when I met this, this little Obi right? And I hadn't named him at the time when I knew him. When I met him, I knew I had the name of Moby. I'm like, I know this dog. I know him. I met him before. And we never got to finish our karma. We never got to work out what we needed to work out. And I feel like he came back to me to kind of work at a Karma like, yeah, between karmas, experience between us. Yes, there's we're learning from everybody's teaching everybody everything in our our pet family are teaching us things too.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:45
I mean, I mean, I literally had to take care of a, you know, paralyzed dog, right, five years, right, in my 20s.

Shawn Leonard 1:31:53
And so, when did you have your children?

Alex Ferrari 1:31:55
I had my children when I was in my late 30s.

Shawn Leonard 1:31:58
Okay, so your wife now Is she the mother of your children,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:01
I would hope so I was in the room when they came out.

Shawn Leonard 1:32:06
Not to be offensive, I just don't know your background,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:09
Right! Yes, of course, yes, yes.

Shawn Leonard 1:32:10
But what was he teaching about being a parent?

Alex Ferrari 1:32:13
Oh, absolutely, about being responsible, about thinking about outside of myself. I was 20, my 20s, I was just

Shawn Leonard 1:32:20
And we all are. We all have that ego from which we learn from as we're younger and we grow and mature. But he was teaching you some things about, you know, being a caregiver, being a father, being a parent, and being and how to be a nurturer or caregiver to people, so that when you did become a dad and meet your wife, hence when you met her, you know he didn't need to teach you this. This the next part of your life, you know the next part of your experience is now unfolding. You don't need me. Your family's coming. I'm good now I prepared you for this.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:50
That's so powerful. I still remember the first day I didn't want him, that my mom got him for me. Yeah, he just, she's like, I couldn't get you a dog. And I'm like, thanks. And she brought him. And I remember I was working at the video store. Yeah, I was 18, and she's like, I have a surprise for you. And I go the backseat of her car, and there he is as a puppy. And I go, I put my hand, and he starts looking me right away, right? And it was, it was just instant Connect. It was instant connection. And, you know, I told him, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna feed him, I'm not gonna and then slowly but surely, guess what, I ended up taking care of them.

Shawn Leonard 1:33:22
What aunique, you know, experience to have with a dog that is paralyzed from in the backside down, from probably here back, but it feels like but so you say, you see him, I see him. Yeah, I can see I'm psychic, so when we talk about things, I see things. So that's just what it's like to be me. Yeah, it's a gift. That's like when I met Lisa on stage and she was doing readings, and I saw this angel, right? You know, it's just things come to me visually. And, you know, maybe I think a lot of things come to a lot of people. We just don't pay attention to it,

Alex Ferrari 1:33:52
But I think we are becoming more aware. Yeah, we are. So it's like I was talking to Robert Edward Grant, who's a polymath, and he is an explorer. He's Tony Stark. He's Tony Stark. He's Tony Stark. But Tony Stark meets Indiana Jones, it's he's a most interesting human being I know. And he was starting to go to the Great Pyramids, and he made discoveries at the great pyramids that he's starting to see patterns inside the and he's proven this, I mean, because he's extremely intelligent man, and he starts seeing patterns in the great in the king's chamber on the wall that has been there for 1000s of years, and no one noticed them. But then he starts pointing them out to the geologists from the government, and they're like, I can see them. I'm not supposed to see them, but I can see that, yeah. And now he just made a recent discoveries, like he's doing research, and he found that there's two other pyramids on the plateau, wow, that no one has ever seen before, but yet they're on like, 500 year old maps and things like that. But now he goes there, and then he went to where they are, and there is a pile of it's. That it's a remnant of a pyramid, right? Because you're in the desert, so there's not rocks like that in the desert right now. He's showing you the cut lines. They're very eroded, but the cut and I asked him, I go, why is it, Robert, that you're able to see these things now? And people are starting to see these things now, but they've been in front of us this entire time. And he said something very profound. He's like, Well, our consciousness is raising, right? We are, our vibration, our frequencies, is elevating to a point where we can see things that have been right in front of us the entire time. That's that's kind of goes along with what

Shawn Leonard 1:35:35
Absolutely, I mean, our ancestors, yeah, you know, our loved ones, or ancestors that are in the spirit world are reconnecting to a stronger in a personal way, but we're more aware, and they're revealing things to us that maybe we have forgotten or that we don't know or we don't remember. So they're infusing us with knowledge and wisdom.

Alex Ferrari 1:35:54
How do you because you, I mean, your culture seems to be really connected to their ancestors, so you, I mean, it's a verbal tradition, mostly, mostly back then. You know, there wasn't,

Shawn Leonard 1:36:04
But there's also, I mean, well, we have ceremonies and indigenous culture to connect to our ancestors,

Alex Ferrari 1:36:09
Right! So my point is that when you when you connect it to ancestors, it was always based on verbal or oral tradition. No, no. How do you So, how do you connect? So, how do you know five generations back, or sent it generations back?

Shawn Leonard 1:36:21
Well, because a lot of our ceremonies, because this is what I'm saying, a lot of things were lost because of colonization, sure, and which is unfortunate, of course, and some elders kept the wisdom, but many of our ceremonies have been given back to us from our ancestors in the spirit world that have reminded us and told, taught you and taught you. You know one of these, these ceremonies that I didn't know, right? But my ancestors, my people in spirit, told me about we, like, we have a game called waltus. Waltus, waltus. It's a fun game. It's a wooden maple bowl, and there's like, five to seven dice in it, and they're made of bones or antlers, and they have a symbol. And it's a fun game. And you play with elders, and you take it, you bounce it, and all the pieces go fly in the air, and you're hoping they all come up, or all down, or all up at one. And then there's a bunch of sticks that you get in relation to that. But there was a double purpose for the bowl. Our ancestors would have taken it and did a ceremony where they put the water in the bowl and left it on in the moonlight for four nights. And they would have done a sweat, a smudge, a pipe ceremony, you know, invited the ancestors. And then after the four nights, the person that could see with the community, or had the ability to see would sit with the water and gaze into the water. And not that there's anything in the water, but it's, it's an energization of the ceremony. And they would be in a meditative state. And then the ancestors would tell them what medicine somebody should have, what message somebody would need from their loved one, or what, what we've something we've forgotten, and tell us about a ceremony that we need to remember. And I saw this, and my ancestors had shown me this, and when I went to elders and told them, like, we used to have a ceremony like that, nobody said, this is their ceremony. Spirit had told me about the ceremony. My ancestors told me about this, and then it was validated through someone else. So it was, you know, our ancestors can guide us and teach us things or help us learn things that would that have been forgotten for sure.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:19
Yeah, because, I mean, I know of and my and my lineage, I know of only probably up until my great grandparents and and I vaguely understand who they were. Yeah, I can't even think about going back, yeah, but like when I went to for my ancestors, my ancestors, according to my grandparents and my great grandparents, they came from Spain, yes. And this is the funny thing about it, they came from both sides of my family, my mother and father, both all well, Cubans generally, were colonized, right? And they all this, they're all Spanish, right? You know, in South America, obviously, a lot of Spanish. But when I did my DNA test to see where I came from, yeah, south of Spain, Northern Africa. There you go. 85% of me, yeah, of my DNA comes from that region, right? So when I went there and visited this last summer, Wow, holy crap,

Shawn Leonard 1:39:13
Yeah. See, I have a guide named Victoria, okay, a guide, a guide, spirit guide, and I record her. I actually can record her talking to me sometimes. Okay, I have recordings of her on my YouTube channel, and there's a voice where you'll hear her saying, the kid the kedge and things like that. She's Gaelic, but also has Norwegian ancestry. She's Gaelic, Gaelic, Gaelic, like old Gaelic. Yeah. So Scott, Scotland, Norway, kind of mix.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:36
I don't, I don't, I know how that connects to indigenous

Shawn Leonard 1:39:39
why I'm saying this isn't part of my genetics. Is 15% Scandinavian.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:44
Well, they might have come over, yeah, across the right, yeah,

Shawn Leonard 1:39:47
The Vikings. Of course, of course, of course, meet up with some indigenous people when they I even have a thing called Vikings disease. No, yes, where I You probably can't see, but I have, like, a. A tendon here that is, like, it's, it's, it's got a ball on the tendon, really. And I have them on my feet too. And it's actually called, it's called something else, but it's also referred to as Vikings disease, because the Viking people were malnutrition when they came over and they interbred with indigenous mic bomb people, and they had these things on their tendons because they have overuse and overwork. You mean, yeah, from growing, hacking, doing, you know, doing everything, biking, me stuff, Viking stuff, mostly not fighting, but just like surviving, I'd say, but so they pillaging. They had issues with their tendons because of malnutrition and genetics over centuries of time.

Alex Ferrari 1:40:40
It's like having scurvy because you don't drink vitamin C, like, drink vitamins.

Shawn Leonard 1:40:43
Do you think it's odd, though, that you know because I have 15% of my DNA is Scandinavian, and here I have a guide who is Gaelic/Scandinavian, my ancestor from genetically many generations, generations back, that is helping me and guiding me in this current lifetime. So, no, I think when we think about her ancestors, it's much larger than we can even comprehend.

Alex Ferrari 1:41:08
So I'm gonna go into deep waters here. Okay, let's do it. I want to go into deep water because I love this guy. I love these kind of conversations. All right, so that that the Gaelic guide of you. Her name, Victoria, Victoria. Okay, Victoria. So Victoria, her soul, yes, is on the other side guiding you absolutely. But that soul is, and this is how I see it, that soul is a spark or an echo of who she was in that time when in that incarnation, right? But she is that over soul of hers. Yes, that's just one aspect of her bingo, yeah. And she's in the future, doing other things. She's in the past doing other things. She's She might even still be here right now.

Shawn Leonard 1:41:45
She may be, I've not met her, and actually, that's not true. I have met her, and you met her physically once in my life. But she's not incarnated. No, she wasn't. She came in a spirit and just vanished, like in a second later.

Alex Ferrari 1:41:57
Okay, but so, but so she might actually be incarnated here as, you know, Beth in, you know, New York, you know something, who knows? Yeah, so I'm saying this because it's I'm trying to wrap my head around so is that makes sense, that this is kind of like an aspect of her. So in other words, you and I have lived many lives, right? If we've gotten to this point to have this conversation, this is not our first time here on Yes, of course. So, you know, we probably were Roman. We're probably Egyptian. We were probably, you know, Vikings, many, God knows how many other different kind of generations. So those versions of us, those aspects of the Roman. Alex, right, right. We'll call it the Roman Alex, and you're the Egyptian Sean, yes, okay, they exist on the other side. Yes, while you and I are still having this incarnation, absolutely, the oversoul, Egyptian like. Does that make sense?

Shawn Leonard 1:42:47
They exist within you now, all of them, all of them, you just and that's why some people in different parts of the world have fallen and hit their head and woke up and speak German.

Alex Ferrari 1:42:55
Oh, god, that's like that disease, that's right. And they speak,

Shawn Leonard 1:42:58
They all of a sudden know how to play the piano. Never played their whole life, but yet in another lifetime they had played. So there's elements or aspects of their oversoul that we can reconnect and we can actually in an instant, and it's usually because of some type of trauma that we then, then have another lifetime personality that kind of connects to this, this lifetime.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:15
Yeah, there's stories and stories and stories in history about people just waking up one day, or something happened,

Shawn Leonard 1:43:15
Hit their head, and they could paint, and then I could play music, or I can or all of a sudden, they're fluent in German, and they never spoke German in their whole life, or never been a German, never been to Germany, but yet they can speak. Is that? How is that even possible?

Alex Ferrari 1:43:34
Like, where is that information?

Shawn Leonard 1:43:36
It's already within you. We just believe it's separate of us.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:40
So how do you tap into it Shawn?

Shawn Leonard 1:43:41
Well, maybe give you a good concussion

Alex Ferrari 1:43:45
Shawn, I'm not going to give myself a concussion, sir, to speak German.

Shawn Leonard 1:43:50
I'm just joking. I will say is meditation and ceremony, you know, if you but I think there's certain aspects of your oversoul that you're not meant to remember like, yeah, in order for you to be the person that you're, you're, I don't need to know you're being in this space and time, right? That you have to fully embrace this. Now, does it mean that you can't remember through past life regression or other regression hypnosis sessions and stuff, or even deep meditation or trance or ceremony? Yeah, aspects of that, that memory of that animal you once were, or the person you once were may come flooding back into you. Is like, I can remember this now,

Alex Ferrari 1:44:24
Yeah, because you don't want to, like, if you happen to be in a former life, Genghis Khan, hopefully not. But let's say you were someone who did a lot of a Viking, who just raped and pillaged and did all the Vikings.

Shawn Leonard 1:44:39
I think that's a misconception. I think they did that sometimes, but I don't think they did it.

Alex Ferrari 1:44:42
Yes, I don't mean to offend your ancestors. I am just

Shawn Leonard 1:44:44
Pretty spiritual people. For the most part,

Alex Ferrari 1:44:48
That bad PR people got real. Don't mean to offend the Vikings, but generally speaking, that they did a lot of. Say negative things or not not good. You wouldn't want to remember a moment that you were a soldier in World War One. You don't want to remember that trauma in this life, because it would just change you. Yeah? So you don't want to connect to that version, or at least that part of that. So that makes sense to me, right? Yeah, you don't want all that, no, no, all your lives at the same time,

Shawn Leonard 1:45:19
If you have PTSD from all the people that you're murdered in another lifetime. It might not serve you in this lifetime being the spiritual person you are today,

Alex Ferrari 1:45:26
Right! Because we've evolved since then, right? And this is this life. I'm here to do this work, right? As opposed to dealing with that work. That's a whole other Yes, we got enough stuff down here to deal with.

Shawn Leonard 1:45:37
I came up back this way.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:41
Can you imagine having and there are people who say they can remember all of their lifetimes.

Shawn Leonard 1:45:46
Yeah, I remember some you do, yeah. So do you I remember? I said last time I was here, I spoke about a story where I was in France. So if you haven't seen our first interview, you should watch it, because there's a story on there. But I was in France and southern France with the Cathars, yeah, and, and I met my ex wife there in the regression that I had, and I realized I'd live life before. And actually went to France and discovered the exact spot from which I lived and and the people that I was connected to,

Alex Ferrari 1:46:14
Is that, why sometimes you, like, you get that deja vu, like, have I been here before?

Shawn Leonard 1:46:17
Maybe so familiar. Maybe I didn't know I was there until I was regressed, and then when I was regressed, I went there, and I literally everything just kind of unfolded, that I found the exact spot from which I lived. And it was just amazing.

Alex Ferrari 1:46:29
Amazing. Have you guys? Have you and your wife figured out how lifetimes before that you were together? Because obviously,

Shawn Leonard 1:46:36
Well, I've been married three times, so

Alex Ferrari 1:46:37
That could have been funny. They could also be part of your soul.

Shawn Leonard 1:46:39
They are part of your soul group. I mean, it doesn't mean that, you know, we've had many, you know, we'll call them soul mates, sure, through many lifetimes. And you know, different soul mates come in your different lifetimes at certain aspects, because that's where you are and what you need, and they're supporting you and you're supporting each other on your growth,

Alex Ferrari 1:46:56
Right! And it doesn't have to be a romantic soulmate. It could be your mother, your fellow, other people,

Shawn Leonard 1:47:01
Right! I mean, you have many soulmates, and some of them could be romantic, sure, right? And it's so it's not, you know, we've lived many lifetimes, like past, present, future, right? So it could be with one person, very rare, I think, very rare. Oh, the one every single Yeah, right. Do you have soulmate connections? Maybe? I think, I think a soulmate connection really represents the the alignment between you and another person,

Alex Ferrari 1:47:25
But, but those souls, even if like you, maybe, let's say we're having fun here. Let's say three lifetimes in row, you guys were romantic soul mate. Yeah, doesn't mean on the fourth lifetime, they're probably going to be in your life in one way, shape or form, but in that might not be no romantic different,

Shawn Leonard 1:47:39
Right! Like, even with brothers, my ex wife, right? We were together. Obviously we weren't supposed to be even together in that lifetime, because she was a princess and I was just a peasant farmer, dude, and this, yeah, I was just like a peasant farmer, you know, I was a Cathar. I was very spiritual person in that lifetime, but I was with somebody wasn't supposed to be with. And I in even though our past cross in this lifetime, you know, we were meant to be together for a time, to teach each other what? Yeah, and then, and we have, you know, two beautiful girls because of that, and they're part of life, and that's amazing, but that's, that's, you know, that's not our complete journey. Our journey was meant to end, and maybe we'll reconnect in another one. Maybe we won't, and, but I don't know that. I don't know that yet, but as far as I know, we've lived many lifetimes together, and we keep showing up from time to time and and even my current partner, I feel like I know her, Michelle, but I'm not quite sure yet where we've connected to in the past, and you haven't tapped into that, not yet. It will reveal itself. I, you know, I don't the way my life kind of works. It just it reveals itself and unfolds

Alex Ferrari 1:48:26
And you, but you, actually, you're a really great definition of someone who trusts the path. I trust. Yeah, you have faith in the path. You have faith that things are supposed to work out the way they are. Yes. I mean, I don't know you deeply, like, Yeah, but, but I imagine that you're not worrying about, like, Oh, God, is this gonna happen? That's gonna like, whatever happened?

Shawn Leonard 1:48:58
No. I mean, we have you roll with it. Forerunners and animals sometimes are part of forerunners, right? An animal, a bird, hitting the window, and then next, you know, you hear about a death in the family, right? And things like that happen, right? So there's a, you know, there's messages to kind of let you know that you're going to go through stuff. So when things like that happen, I feel there's an intention, a purpose, a reason. There's something charted, planned. It's not chaos.

Alex Ferrari 1:49:24
Can I tell you, this is kind of like when you said, bird hitting, when this kids, this story came in to me. And this is a, this was a pretty just years before, Next Level soul, all this kind of stuff. My wife, who was my girlfriend at the time, she was in the bathroom, and we had in that house that we had in Florida, it's a glass, a glass door in the shower, and all of a sudden I just hear boom, the shower door. Wow. Just explodes. Yeah, and you know, those shower doors are not, they're tempered, they're they're not, they're not. Easy to break, no, and I run in, and I go, and she's, like, a little bit bleeding, because, like, what happened, right? She just touched it. I just touched it, because it would have taken so much force, right? It was a small bathroom, so, you, like, didn't throw anything there was, she just touched the door, right? And it exploded that moment. Yeah, across town, her aunt was getting in a car accident. Really. She was fine,

Shawn Leonard 1:50:26
The synchronicity of things,

Alex Ferrari 1:50:27
It just happened at the same time. And when we found that out, because she comes from a Latin American background, I'm Cuban, yeah, so that whole we just started connecting. It was like that energy to save her right, had to flow through her and pop through right, as opposed to save the aunt from getting really hurt. That's what we kind of came up with. That's the only thing that made what do you think that?

Shawn Leonard 1:50:52
Well, I would say it's a forerunner for sure that something's happening in the family. And spirits trying to let you know, despite what's going on, everything is according to plan. So it's because sometimes we get wrapped up thinking, oh my god, I can't believe this person was in the accident. But if you had some type of forerunner to kind of let you know that this is coming down, that means there was a charted plan for that to happen for that person, and it could be death for someone. And I have a story about this in the book. Actually, there's a an elder that I met a long time ago named Danny Paul. And anyway, I had this amazing dream with eagles. And the dream was where I was in the sky, flying with eagles, and I looked around, and some of the eagles were all white. There were white eagles. Even though my name is white eagle. I was looking at these other eagles that were all white, and I could tell that they were elders. They were all white. There is no white. I was gonna say it's a fallacy of being white eagles, right? So anyway, these, these bald eagles, are all pure white. I know that they're there. They're elders and the other eagles, this is where it gets. Kind of strange. The other Eagles all have ice in their wings, and they're flying in partners or pairs, but they have ice. They have ice forming in their feathers. Are they wider? No, they're not. Okay. They're not. Now the pairs, there's a male and female. The female would get on the on the back of the male as they were flying, and pick the ice off the feathers. And then they would change, and then the male would get on the back of the female and pick the ice off. So all the Eagles said, flowing to this we'll call it a church hall. And at the church hall, they were beating on the door for help because they had nowhere else to go. They literally their little talons kicking on the door, which is comical, in some sense, but anyway, this priest come to the door, and the priest said, Well, what can I help you with? You know? He says, Well, you've done so much harm to us, but we need you to reciprocate some healing back to us. We need our own space and place to be well, this is the eagle side, the Eagles talking to the priests. Okay? And so what happened was that, well, the priest would not help them, but what he says, I'll give you a piece of the land that we've annexed from you. So they went to the land and they built a long house, a traditional this all in the dream. In the dream, it's pretty I know it's pretty vivid, yeah. And anyway, all the eagles were inside the longhouse, and the white eagles were inside, in the longhouse with them a sacred space of teaching for elders and to share wisdom and knowledge, right? And I saw all the ice melting off the wings of the other eagles. Now it was like they were becoming healthy again. They were becoming whole again. And then I woke up and I tell my wife, Michelle, who's probably the wisest person in my life.

Alex Ferrari 1:50:53
You've brought her up a few times. I'm like,

Shawn Leonard 1:50:53
Well, I got to give my I know that's my go to person

Alex Ferrari 1:50:53
Couple decades I get you.

Shawn Leonard 1:50:53
She said, Well, she should speak to an elder and tell him about the dream and see what he can make of this. So I'm thinking about some elders, and she goes, Well, you shouldn't call those people. I don't like those people so much, right? She's honest, bluntly honest. And then I'm thinking, she's got to be someone else. You can think of it. I'm like, Hmm, I used to, I remember this guy, Danny Paul, right? So I go to his Facebook page, and on his profile, he's got an eagle in his arm. I'm like, pretty sure there's a guy I'm supposed to talk to. So I give him a call, and I say, Danny, I tell him about the dream, and he goes, You know what? I've already have a space picked up for the longhouse. I've been waiting for somebody to come and help me. And I said, Well, how can I help you, Danny? And he says, I just need your time. And I'm like, I'll give you my time. Can we do this in the spring sometime? I'm very busy, so I don't have very much time. And he said, Yes, I have a space already picked out for it. And anyway, I have this conversation with them, and he says that our people need a long house, and the elders need a place to share their wisdom and teachings and such like that. And I said, Well, I'll help create the space so that elders can do this. And this was like. To December 19, when I shared this vision with them, this dream. And it was very like, profound, you know, like, because you don't have things like that happen all the time. And so anyway, December 24 I'm going to my wife's, my in laws, my wife's mom's house for for Christmas dinner, pre Christmas, right? And so I'm driving there, and on the way there, there's an owl on a telephone wire that is hanging very low, like, for whatever reason this one wire is, like sagging right down. It shouldn't probably be that low, or somebody's probably going to get hurt, but there's an owl on it, and I pull up to the owl in my truck, and I get out, and I'm standing from me to you, and I'm looking at the owl, and he just stares at me. I like, is Michelle, this is weird. This owl is telling me something. He's trying to send me a message, and I'm not church, because what do you think it means that's like, now represents wisdom, right, knowledge, of course, the elder medicine, right could also represent death and indigenous culture. We sometimes see owls and we think that, Oh no, it's a forerunner to somebody dying. I said, I hope that's not what it means, but I feel like he's sharing something with me. So we have Christmas dinner, and I go home, and I think about calling Danny because of the message, right? I go to his Facebook. He just died. Oh, he died six days after talking to him. And I'm thinking, was that Danny sending me the owl to remember the dream, to share the wisdom and knowledge, and recently, the lady, the elder that I just met up in New Brunswick, I told her about the same dream, and she says that in migma community, we don't have any long houses, but she knows the ceremony to build one. I said, Well, can we build one together? And I and she said, Yes. So she's the one that gifted me the eagle head, the eagle Talon, hence having the dream of the Eagles, and it's reconnecting. And I never asked her to give me anything. Sure, it's just all kind of aligned. And I feel like Danny was kind of like helping me. He was the one that told me he made his journey, but he also didn't want me to forget the teaching or what was given to me by spirit and to share it with another elder. So that's a forerunner, but there's so much more to that, and that's how my life unfolds. It's, you know, when you start to see the synchronicity or connection in things, you know, I don't go looking for people to build this. They will come. They will show up, and everything will align to make that happen.

Alex Ferrari 1:52:14
Shawn, I don't know what, what it is about you man, but like, being in the room here, like I feel so chilled, I feel kind of like connected, like it's, there's a vibe, there's an energy in the room. Now I'm like, I feel like I'm connected to my tiger. I'm connected to my horse, yes, like it's, it's like, I'm not even joking about it, I'm literally feel. There's a feeling that I have in my body that I'm sensing, and I'm feeling these kind of things as we're talking about it, and the stories in the back of my head of all the animal encounters and all the things it's it's pretty amazing, man. Sean, where can people pick up this amazing book walking with your spirit totem animals?

Shawn Leonard 1:58:19
Well, you can, you can get it. You can go to my website, shawn-leonard.com and if you if you pre buy, or if you buy after, you can like, submit your receipt number on my website. And you'll get the free teaching October 23 and it'll be recorded and sent out via email after, you'll get a meditation. You'll get a ceremonial prayer to say to connect to your spirit to in a minimal but if you go to a website, it's got amazon.ca amazon.com Barnes and Noble Indigo, every place is on my website that you can go and click and get the book.

Alex Ferrari 1:58:46
And of course, if they want to see more of you, they can go to Next Level Soul TV, yeah. Spirit Talker, yes, and, and we have a couple of projects we might be working on next year, yes, together. So I'm very excited to share that with the community as well. One last question to you, my friend, sure if the animal kingdom could tell humanity one thing that we need to hear right now, what would it be?

Shawn Leonard 1:59:12
Reconnect to us, remember that we are one,

Alex Ferrari 1:59:18
My friend, I'm almost tearing up after it's so simple, and that's when truths are usually. It doesn't have to be complex at all. It's so so so simple. Shawn is such a pleasure talking to you, my friend,

Shawn Leonard 1:59:31
Same with you. I think we're like Soul brothers.

Alex Ferrari 1:59:33
You and I must have been a horse and a cow in another life,

Shawn Leonard 1:59:38
Chicken and a worm,

Alex Ferrari 1:59:39
Chicken and a worm in another life, man, because every time you and I get together, it just like, we just fall into this kind of like, yeah, and we just chillax. And it's kind of like, it's like, comfortable. It's extremely comfortable. So I appreciate you, brother, thank you again for being here, and I look forward to our next conversation. So thank you for helping everything you do. You to awaken this planet. My friend.

Shawn Leonard 2:01:29
Me too, and thank you as well.