Ascended Master Babaji’s True Origins with Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath

Alex Ferrari 0:00
So before we get started with today's episode, I wanted to let you know what happened again in this studio. We welcome back Gurunath, or Yogiraj, as he's known as well, and the energy that I felt in this room, I was brought to tears again a couple of times, some of the insights that he shared with me, and in turn, with you, were so profound, so simple, so beautiful, so moving, that it really shifted me. It really changed me. And if you wait till the very end of this conversation, Gurunath gives you a blessing, a transmission that when I was receiving it, here I was it just, was just waves of energy as he gave this meditation and this blessing to all of us. It is something that I'm still kind of he literally just left five minutes ago. So I just wanted to come in here while it was still fresh in my mind, I'm still kind of taking it in. I'm still kind of on a high from this from this, not only from this conversation, but from this blessing. So I hope you enjoy this when you're watching this, just sit back and let it kind of wash over you as he speaks, as he transmits his energy, let it just wash over you as I did while I was in the room with him. So enjoy. With everything that's happening in the world today. What do you believe Babaji's message would be to humanity right now?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:45
O Lord, give us to realize that humanity is our uniting religion. They have come into this world to bring harmony, peace and the evolution of the whole of creation, the science, soul saving science Next Level Soul has come to us. And true education, I believe, is not in bookish things. It is to educate the ego and humility.

Alex Ferrari 2:14
What you just said a Gurunath is, I mean, I'm almost tearing up a little bit because of the energy of what the realization I just came I've never felt this realization before.

Alex Ferrari 2:24
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome back to the show, returning champion, Yogiraj. How you doing Yogiraj?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 3:09
Fine thank you.

Alex Ferrari 3:10
Thank you so much for coming back. Our last conversation or transmission that we had went viral. People went crazy. They loved our conversation. They loved your energy. They loved what your message was to the world. And I had to have you back. You know, it's had to have you back. It was, it's always a lovely it's always lovely to have deep, deep, deep conversations that help people around the world. So I appreciate you coming.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 3:36
That's true. But I was not doing anything. I was myself. Yes, I was standing still in myself. That's what that must have given the transmission.

Alex Ferrari 3:48
Hey, it worked the I guess they liked it. So we'll see if we can. Let's see if we can. Let's see. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens in this conversation. So my first question to you, Yogiraj, is, what does Earth peace through self peace mean? Because so many people are worried about saving the world and saving and changing the world and helping people around the world doing you know, there's a lot of difficult things happening around the world, but this concept of Earth peace through self peace, can you explain that?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 4:20
Yes, these meditation transmissions are done every full moon today happens to be the full moon, and I believe there's a lunar eclipse also. Anyway, all said and done, I give it the name Earth Peace through self, peace and I developed a technique whereby you could radiate love and peace to the world at large, transporting yourself to. The Moon and radiating silver swans to the earth for peace, and then transiting to become the sun, you yourself become the sun, and then radiate the missiles of 8.7 billion swans through the sun. So the silver swans and the golden swans of the Sun and Moon comprise the Earth Peace meditations. Now why I called it Earth Peace through self peace is what I wanted to tell people that there cannot be earth peace without self. Peace first you must be full of peace and overflow with that peace, and when you overflow, you glow and you give to the whole of humanity. If each human being is saturated with love, he can give earth peace to others more effectively than when he himself is wanting. So you must first. That's why I've had a first meditation of the golden lotus, in which you create self peace. Today, in my earth, peace. They always, they show it. And when you have self peace. Then you go on to radiate Earth Peace. If your bank balance is empty, you cannot donate to others. It's as simple as that. It's very full of peace and love. Then only you can give it to others.

Alex Ferrari 6:35
And that's the thing that so many people want to help others, and wants to give others, but it's kind of like you have to take care of your own house. Yes, before you you know, go out and start giving in many ways. And this be ability to be enlightened within yourself, having peace within yourself, having love, having light within yourself, just by doing that act alone will change the world, because you become an example, and people start to feel your energy as you walk through life. Is that true?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 7:05
That is very true. But in this case, I thought that we should multiply it, and that 10s of 1000s and even millions of people should practice this earth piece meditation. The logic is this, that if one man thinks a good thought, that thought will ripple across the mind's Lake of the collective consciousness and mind of humanity. So one thought has a ripple effect for the good or for the bad? If they think bad, then how much more effective it would be for 10s of 1000s of people and millions of people with one intent, meditating and making the sound of the peace and love, radiating it to the earth, it will bring about earth peace, not to what extent it will bring it about. This is a new thing, and you have to you are you are going into hatred and malice and terrorism with peace and love and resolve for good. So these two forces when they interact, what the result will be, will be, you see, our job is to do the best that in these times of trial, tribulation, terrorism and World War like situations we have to improvise, or we have to develop this technique, which I have developed, called Earth Peace through self peace, which we are doing today. Now, as I speak, there are 1000s of people all over all over the world, who are practicing this earth piece meditation.

Alex Ferrari 9:06
Let me ask you, with yogis and gurus, the Buddha himself, all of them, they all spoke about enlightenment, and that is a term that has been thrown around very much so especially over the last 50 or 60 years here in the West. And what is your definition of enlightenment? And can you also discuss what enlightenment is in your eyes, in the sense that so many people feel that once you're enlightened, it's over. The game is over. It's done. I'm enlightened now. I'm like the Buddha, I'm like the Christ. I'm good. I don't have to do anything else now. I'm now enlightened, and I walk around in pure bliss all the time. But you are someone who found Self Realization early in your life, and yet you have lived very among us in this world. Have a family, all these things. So can you kind of talk a. Bit about the balance and the misconceptions of that word enlightenment,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 10:04
Humanity today and the human being as such, is basically and fundamentally enlightened. You see, it's just like I say, you put the hands of your mind upon the eyes of your soul and cry that you cannot see. Take the hands of your mind away from the eyes of your soul and behold your own enlightenment so the innate essence of who you are, the reality who you are, is enlightened, but it is covered by the mind. The mind is composed of the Chitta. The mind is called the chitta, and it is composed of the intellect, the ego, and the ratiocinating mind, the typist. So the intellect is Buddhi. The ego is aramkar, that faculty in a human being, which is self arrogating and always gives the buddhi, the intellect, the feeling of ownership. This is mine. This is yours. So yours and mine. And the Manas is the lower mind which takes directions from both the intellect and the ego. That is the intellect, buddhi and the ego. Ahamkar, the Manas, which is the lower mind. It's like a stenographer. It just types and keeps the Akashic records. Now, when you are in a state of mind, your state of mind that I'll make a long story short, freedom from mind is enlightenment. Now, what remains after mind goes because when the mind is composed of the intellect, or intuition, high intellect, below that comes the ego, the arrogating principle, or the principle, says that I am great. This is mine. This belongs to me. This is my studio. This is my house, and the third factor is the stenographer. The third factor is the one who has no decision making but just takes down the impressions. Which is the intellect, the ego and the lower mind. The Higher Mind is the intellect. The lower mind is called the lower mind. It has passions and emotions. Also. The higher mind is intuition and creating stuff, discovering new things. But in between them is sandwiched the ego, the arrogating principle, which makes you think that you are the doer. But behind all this the buddhi ahamkar and Manas, which is the intuition the ego and the lower mind. Behind this, there is an all pervading consciousness which never changes. It's always there. It is the ego that thinks, makes the intellect think that I am enlightened now I am in bondage. The Enlightened, all which you may call God, or you may call the reality, is always and perpetually present the moment, the drama of the chitta, which is the collective mind of intuition, ego and lower mind. This forms the collective mind, which we call Chitta. The Chitta also is composed of buddhi ahamkar, the ego and Manas the lower mind. This is playing the whole game and the drama and making you think that I am in bondage and I am free. Now let me give you the example that you are the sun in the sky. That is the atma. There's no word for Atma and the English language, they call it the soul, but it's a very limited and misleading word. But. So it should be called the eternal awareness, or it should be called, for lack of a better word. I don't know what word to use. The isness of the zero, not zero. Anyway, let's not get into those details. I would say that this is like the sun. A simple example I'll give you. Who is your true self, the sun. Who is the mind, the ocean. Now the sun casts its reflection in the ocean, the waves of the ocean mind. The oceanic mind has the reflection of the sun, but the buddhi, that is the intellect, feels that it is the reflection of the sun. It mistakes the reflection of the sun to be the sun itself. But the Sun was always enlightened, ever enlightened. It was never ignorant, but the cloud of ego, which influences your intuition, makes you feel that you are God, that you are an ignorant and you are this, the celestial awareness you are not the eternal, immortal awareness. You are this. You are not affected, but the waves the ego creates the waves of ownership and makes the intellect, intuition, feel that it is in bondage. It is the soul in bondage. The sun is in bondage. Now, as long as there are ripples of thoughts in your mind's Lake, you cannot see the moon of your delight. You cannot even see the reflection of the sun, nor the actual sun, because you're so involved in the waves. Those are the waves of thought which create a disturbance in the mind to make you feel that you are in bondage, or you are free, but who is in bondage? Not the sun, not the atma or the soul. It is the reflection of the sun which is in bondage, which the ego deludes the intuition into thinking that the buddhi, or the intuition the intellect is in bondage. Then who is free and who is in bondage, the freedom is got when the ego subsides. The ripples of the minds lake, there is freedom from mind. Then you see the enlightenment of the sun, reflection without any waves due distortion. After you see it's not distortion you look above. So this is the penultimate stage, savikal samadhi, looking at the still image in the in the ocean. But the Nirvikalpa Samadhi, or enlightenment, is when you look up from the mirror to the actual sun. Then you know that it was not you who was in bondage or enlightenment. It was only the reflection, but the real sun, the real sun is high above in the sky, and as soon as you the intuition, the ego and the Manas look at the sun, that very intuition, or buddhi or intellect, is enlightened. So the intellect is in bondage, and the intellect is enlightened due to the delusion of the ego, which causes the ripples of lakes in the mind's Lake. The moment you take the hands of the eye, the ego away, the more my eye doth disappear, the more the self as God appears, so as it appears, gradually it disappears through purification of the mind, I've given you a certain example. But there's, there's a system called Yoga. The Yoga sadhana helps to purify the mind, the electrons, protons and neutrons, of which the mind is made. So the Cosmic Mind is the creator of the delusion, with the ego, who is the mischief maker, and so the more humble you be, like they teach you to be humble and simple in your sadhana, they teach you to practice every day it's to train your mind to get to such a refined state that you transcend the gunas. The Gunas are the luminosity of the electron, the activity of the proton. Now the luminosity of the the electron is satogun, the activity of the proton is rajagun, and the inertia of the neutron is tamo gun. So these three gunas make up the mind, nature of Prakruti, or the cosmic mind, the sweet nurse of nature is made up of electron, protons and neutrons.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 19:56
So this is what constitutes nature, which we. Called prakriti, which we also call the cosmic mind, as long as the Cosmic Mind, which is ensconced in each individual, as the individual mind, you see like there's a big bucket, but you take off each drop each mind from that cosmic bucket. Each mind has the reflection of the sun, so also each one of us individually has the Cosmic Mind reflected at the sun, so that drop of water thinks that, ah, I am the sun. I have absorbed the whole sun, and I am enlightened. No, this all has to subside. The drop has to merge in the ocean. The ocean's might thoughts have to be stilled. Then you see the reflection of sabhikar Samadhi. You see, you see God through the crystal mirror of the mind, which is the penultimate, not the final, stage of enlightenment. It is the stage before enlightenment where the prakriti Laya purush, the cosmic being. He feels that he is the whole of creation and the whole of nature. If you see these great saints like Francis of Assisi and Nietzsche, they all had the sapikar state, but they couldn't get to the Nirvikalpa. They couldn't get rid of the cosmic ego. They got rid of the individual ego. So when the whole thought processes in the individual is thing, then he is individually. He is individually enlightened. Enlightened self realized. When the cosmic ego of the whole ocean of creation is done, then he is God realized. So when he is, when he is individually realized, self realized. He is realized only in his body and the self. He is still in a perfect state of mind, still mind. But when he breaks the mirror of the mind itself and the reflection goes, then he is God realized. He goes to the final state beyond ego and I.

Alex Ferrari 21:46
So the so these masters, like these, these saints, like St saint, Francis of Assisi and Nietzsche and many others, they were self realized master, yes, but they weren't God realized.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 22:00
This is what I'm saying from my own experience, my own vision, and this is what I feel. This is mine. Others are free to have a view. But I'm talking through experience. I'm not talking through books, right?

Alex Ferrari 22:16
Exactly. So then Buddha and Christ, where God realized, yes, that's the difference, yes. Babaji, obviously, yes.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 22:24
This topic, I believe, was to come up after the topic we have finished this, then this topic about the various saints and their states were supposed to come up. But it's coming up.

Alex Ferrari 22:33
It's coming up naturally. So Yogananda was God realized,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 22:39
Yes, Yogananda was a was a beautiful example to show how he went under the tutelage of his God. Realized master, the self, realized Paramansa Yogananda transited to the god realized state.

Alex Ferrari 22:54
Interesting when you were saying it is Maha Samadhi, yes, and you when you were saying everything in regards the example of the ocean and the mirror and the reflection and all of that, the thing that kept popping into my head was Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Okay, are you familiar with the

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 23:13
Plato's allegory? No, tell me what is it?

Alex Ferrari 23:15
So the plato allegory, Allegory of the Cave is essentially there are people who are tied in a cave looking at a wall. In the wall behind them, there's the door to the outside. They don't know the outside exists. They only their only reality is what's on the wall. The light from outside is casting shadows. Those shadows that are playing on the wall are their reality. They don't know anything different. One of them escapes and gets outside and sees the beauty of outside reality, the reality, the real reality, comes back in and says, hey, hey, this isn't real. This is what's real out there. Yes, and they're like, You're crazy. This is our reality. And that's all. They didn't they didn't even want to look behind them. That's the allegory. So it was the casting of the sun and the light and the shadows as a reflection.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 24:04
This is the difficulty we are going to have with many people to make them break away from that duality and do the reality. There's another beautiful example of when you go to see a cinema on the cinema screen. Yes, two things are cast, light and color, absolutely. Now, light and color, they are different, but when they go onto the screen, they are mixed. And you feel that the screen, what is projected onto the screen,

Alex Ferrari 24:36
Is alive, is alive with the sound.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 24:42
But at the screen, at the theater, it's difficult. It's different altogether. The light, the color, the light has to be separated from these two. None of them can operate without the light. So also nothing can operate without the reality. The duality does not exist without the reality.

Alex Ferrari 25:00
And now you're entering my world, which is the movie world, which is where I come from. And one of my favorite quotes from Yogananda is that we get all caught up with this show of a movie, and there's death and violence and love, and every aspect, every spectrum of human experience, is on the screen. And we're so focused on the screen, what we need to do is turn around and see where the light is coming from. Where is the projector? The light of the projector coming from, which is similar to what you're saying the light?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 25:30
Well, the fish says, Be careful of even that, because we are in a screen behind the screen, behind the screen. So this is the dream within a dream, within a dream, like a Russian when you turn around, yes, when you turn around, first, you see a relative reality, but not the ultimate reality. And then when again you turn around from that, then you see the real reality. So this is, this is like the first stage of Samadhi, which is the vitarka, which are Samadhi. Then there's the sabical samadhi, the dream, but the subtler dream, but still a dream. And then there's the Nirvikalpa Samadhi, which is the final and who knows behind that there may be another dream

Alex Ferrari 26:15
And another and another

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 26:18
That is not there because the people realize and the reality itself speaks, you know, that is there, but it it is warned in the yoga vasisht, they have said this, the dream, within the dream,

Alex Ferrari 26:32
I have to ask you, what is people ask me all the time, what is the point of this, all of this, what is the point of incarnating, coming down to earth, struggling, succeeding, highs, lows, duality. What is the purpose of it all from your point of view?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 26:50
My answer to them is, you haven't even entered kindergarten, and you're asking cosmic questions. Let me ask you a counter question, what is not the point of all this? What is not the point of all this? It is so glorious. It is so wonderful with all its life, its livingness, its suffering, its joys, its sorrow, and this is God's Leela. This is God's play. I don't say God, I say the play of reality, and it's been happening through millions and billions of years. And some little pindly little sparrow pipes up and puts his hand up and says, What is the purpose of all this? My answer is, meditate and find out for yourself.

Alex Ferrari 27:37
So when you say, meditate and find out for yourself, can you dig in?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 27:40
This is the first part what is not the point. Yes, the second I do explain what the point is. The second part of the explanation, the point of creation is first that it is a perpetual and ceaseless process, ongoing and everlasting. To narrow it down further that the soul, which here is the buddhi, or the intellect, with its ego, it enters into the descending arc of creation to learn its lessons in the University of life, and unless the ego is battered and hammered, it will not learn its lesson. Because ultimately, mind you, the ego, along with the intuition, is transformed into the reality. That's why I've called my techniques the alchemy of total transformation. Like in Italy, they all, they tell me, Guru Natha, teach us the alchemy of total transformation. So I like the way they say. I said, first learn the kindergarten thing, the first thing your asans, pranayama, disciplines. So so the University of Life has to teach these egos who are in prakriti in nature. So these egos, with their intellect, ego and their stenographer, they are strutting about, thinking that they own the world. You see, many people are there. They are narcissists. There's a few of those. I think they think that there's nothing beyond them. But they are not bad. It's just their stage of evolution. Terrorists. They are not bad. It's a stage of evolution. You see there are people with animal appetites. Now, all these different stages of evolution have to be knocked and hammered in with Tong and hammer and little tin work has to be done at the great Noah's Ark before it sails out with every pair. Of degree of human souls. You know who are at the at the at the level of the groundhog, at the level of the of the the zebra at the level of the giraffe, at the level of the elephant. All of them have these traits, emotionally, psychologically at the level of the bull. Some some people are bull headed. They won't read at the level of the ram, two rams on a bridge hammering their heads away. You see all this. So this is the ego, with all its animal traits. This has to be refined in there's an arc and a cycle of the evolution of human consciousness, human mind. Here it has it's a descending arc where it travels through the life and the universities of life and all its grades and gets more and more material. It likes materialism. It likes wine, women and laughter, sermons and soda water the day after. And as it gets its experiences, it is surfeited and satisfied. It's had its Ferraris. It's sowed its wild oats. It's had its most beautiful woman. He's been a billionaire. And after that, they decide to do good work. Then they want the ascending Ark, the same soul. The purpose of all this is learning the lesson in the University of life. Then he leaves. Then he starts meditating. He starts compliment contemplating, and starts listening to devotional songs, starts going to meditation centers more often, because his desire is to awake, he has to awaken what he does not know as yet, till he later knows that he has to awaken himself. When people look for God and they say there is Enlightenment somewhere, I have made a small poem, and it is if you try to evaluate your mind or rationalize your mind and try to fit God into your little rational mind, then there will be havoc. Do not try that. Do not try that. Just surrender. I have made a poem that you will go topsy turvy. If you try to comprehend that which is beyond mind in your mind, that which is infinite in your finite mind, then what will happen to you? There will be chaos. For here your feet upon your head, your head is humbled to the floor. The awe filled mystery you yourself ask no more. I will repeat for you, please. For if you try to analyze God, there will be you will go topsy turvy. For here your feet upon your head, your head is humbled to the floor, the awe filled mystery. You yourself ask no more, and if you want to know you yourself do the necessary means of yoga practice, the necessary means to achieve the necessary end

Alex Ferrari 33:12
You were mentioning about materialism and the ego, grabbing on to things we all, all of us, have the knowledge that we're going to die, that they we know that this is limited time.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 33:27
Well, I wouldn't call it knowledge. I would call it information. Information, because knowledge only comes after you've had the experience, fair, those who have had the experience of after a death, sure experience like I've had many times. Otherwise, besides Samadhi, also you go to the body, there's something superior to the body, then that would be knowledge, but hearsay and bookish reading would be information.

Alex Ferrari 33:51
So information, so we all have the information that we are going to eventually pass that this is a finite time that we're here, and yet the world has held on to the material so much, fighting for land, fighting for riches, fighting for the physical, you know, world and women and all this kind of stuff. And yet it doesn't seem like it makes no sense. It's almost ridiculous. Someone who says, I own this land, you're renting the land. You're only here for a certain amount. So why do you believe that humanity has been so obsessed with the material for so long?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 34:32
But what else are they going to do? It's the best thing that they can do at their particular stage of evolution. I've seen people. I mean, if you see there are big funds, and they are big people who give away vast donations. I believe that that Bill Gates has made foundations for charitable institutes. There are big charitable institutes in in in the world. Which are giving away food and and help aid to people all over the world, and alongside they are, parallel to them, are running cartels of corruption, okay? And they're making sort of things like fentanyl and all that, which will be very harmful and could kill society. So that that is their level of evolution. This is their level of evolution. So there seems to be quite a variety of people and souls on this earth. These, these varieties of souls, if you call it, the minds, the ego minds, egoic minds. So it is the development of the state of ego and true education, I believe, is not in bookish things. It is to educate the ego and humility so that those people who are humble will not try to grab excess wealth or not try to give people equal wealth, which is also wrong because they are not worthy of it intellectually, they must strive to give people an equitable amount of wealth, each one according to his own merits. So this is what our society should be, whether they be egalitarian societies or democracies or dictatorship, if the ruler is just like in ancient times they had. There was some Lord Ram and Krishna, ancient rulers, Marcus, Aurelius, yes, yes. They were very just rulers. Very just rulers. So this is the whole game of life. And as the soul learns its lessons in the University of life. As the mind, the cosmic mind, I call it. He evolves, and ultimately it transforms himself into that reality. He merges into the subtle aspects of mind. He becomes from the particle electron to the wave of light, and then becomes enlightened light. So this is the way the other thing is there, that the reality which is reflecting its light on the whole of creation, is animating creation. And if creation is not animated. All this world would be a dead soup and dead mass of unanimated matter which would lie waste. This whole of creation would lie waste, and in order to animate it the great reality looks upon creation and animates creation. He is called the drishta, the process of looking. He is the witness, the cosmic witness. The drishta The process of looking, is drishti, and during this process, Srishti, or creation, is made. So there's the drishta, the drishti, and the Srishti. The drishta is the cosmic onlooker. He does nothing, but just by his looking, the process of his seeing, creation is made. And in that these electrons, protons, light, matter, energy, all is created. And creation is created by his mere looking, his mere being. So the very existence of reality fuels the existence of creation. And then if, if there were to be no reality, he would turn his face away, then all this would be dead matter.

Alex Ferrari 38:54
It's interesting, Yogiraj, when you're saying that the one thing that popped

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 38:58
But it's all one,

Alex Ferrari 38:59
It is. But the one thing that popped into my head was this, have you've heard of the double split, double slit experiment in quantum physics?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 39:10
Way of particle duality,

Alex Ferrari 39:11
Exactly when the when there is an when there's someone watching, the intention, the just the awareness, the consciousness, the particles change because, look at it.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 39:25
There was a quantum scientist called Von Neumann. I don't know whether you've heard of Von Neumann. Now, Neumann conducted a an experiment. I don't know how he could conduct that. It does not seem to me to be possible, but they say that he conducted and he looked through the telescope. He looked blank, into space, into blank, and suddenly an atom appeared, an obstacle appeared, so he said, he went to the Royal. The Academy of this thing, knowing that he would be kicked out at the very start. So he said, Look, I would like to say something that when I conducted this experiment, I looked through the blankly at space. I'm not remembering whether he looked look through the electron microscope, or whether he looked through a telescope, or whether he just looked blank. He must be looking through a telescope, or this thing, there was nothing, and then this particle suddenly appeared. So he said, I'm sorry, may some of you may not. It may not be in keeping with your mindset. But here's my question, if there is an infinitely larger being than us, they call him God, if he just looked at creation, couldn't creation come into being? If, when I looked an atom came into being in the last they said, Oh, you're talking nonsense, and this is this thing. And they said, No, you don't come with all this stuff. We will reject it at the output, you know, like a judge, it doesn't stand the table. Sweet. But he said that this idea I got from the ancient rishis, and in their texts, like the yoga vasisht and the maharta Manjari and the Pindar Brahman of gorakhs and Shiv goraksha Babaji and the Patanjali yoga sutras. In these texts, it is mentioned that there is a drishta, drishti and Srishti. There is a seer, the process of seeing and creation. So the seer by merely seeing it, is mentioned in all the textbooks. That's what I just told you before von neumann's experiment, that by merely seeing the process of seeing created creation, it has already happened, and that is how the beginning of creation began. But there were many such scenes and many such cycles, because after the whole cycle, we'll get to that later, it's a different thing. You know, there's a manvantara and a PRALE, Maha manavantar and a Maha pralaya. What are those? Yes, yes, yes, Maha Yuga and a mahaprala. So it's the awakening of God and his sleeping, the awakening of creation and going into deep sleep of the reality. So reality and creation alternate. They both originate from reality, but he wants to be many. So by merely seeing by his drishti, he creates creation. It is a fact, and that's why I give you von neumann's example, the very nice example.

Alex Ferrari 42:48
Very much so, very much so. Are we? Are we sparks of the Divine? It's our soul, our Atma, sparks of the Divine. I asked this question very specifically, because so many of us, so many humans, always are looking at a middleman to talk to God, or they don't believe that they have the strength or the power to do anything in their own life. They have to have something outside of them, but the true power from my understanding and my experience lies within so I would love to have your experience or your explanation of is, are all of us sparks of the divine spark of that greater consciousness?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 43:31
We are not merely sparks of the greater consciousness, but we are the divine only the mud of the mind has come in the way to the truth of who we actually are. You see, we are already the water. They give an example in this thing that, like water flows in a field, it is dammed up by the mind. The mud of the mind covers the splendor of the soul. The mud of the mind covers the splendor of the super mind, the intuition. They are all mind. You see, they are all mind, the intuitive mind, then at a grosser level, the ego mind. Then at a grocery level, the intuitive God, I should say, as mind. Then there is the ego God as ahamkar. Then there's the mental God as emotions and passions. Is God in the passion too. Without him, there can be no passion. You see everything. Then it grows, grosser and grosser. Like even if you take the elements hydrogen, helium, hydrogen, helium, oxygen, water, H2o, then from water comes. Dampness, condensation, ice, then there comes damps, the through the damp water, the Earth is created and the mud is created. So light itself is matter at its subtlest, or God is at its subtlest, and matter at its crossest. Do you mean to say guru Nath that matter is God, yes, I do, sir, then what? What is it that is gets enlightened? Is it the soul that gets enlightened? No, you are already enlightened, but you are a grosser form of enlightenment, through permutation, combination, and through eons or billions of trillions of years, you evolve from the earth to the water, water to the fire, fire to air, etheric radiance, from radiance to prana, that is The Living Light, from Pran to divine mind, from divine mind to divine consciousness. And then there is the merger of the divine consciousness, the enlightened light, with he about whom naught may be said. This is the gradation of the alchemy, if you may permit me, of totale, transformisione, this is the beauty of it.

Alex Ferrari 46:26
I mean, what you just said, Gurunath, is, I mean, I'm almost tearing up a little bit because of the energy of what the realization I just came I've never felt this realization before. I've spoken to hundreds and hundreds of spiritual people across years now, but the simplicity of something that you said hit me like a ton of bricks right now, which was this that we already are enlightened. We just need to get rid of the mud of the mind all this other crap that's on top of us that we pick up the second we're born from our families, our friends, our society. If you start to pull that away, you allow the enlightenment to come out, the truth,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 47:10
Allow ourselves to come out

Alex Ferrari 47:12
Exactly the truth to come out, as opposed to the mistruths or the misunderstandings that are on top of us all this mud. I've never thought of it that way. I never thought about it as we already are enlightened. We just got a lot of coats on. We got to pull these coats off. We got to take the hats off, yes, and kind of shred, shed all of this stuff. I have never thought of it that way before, because people, when they think of enlightenment or self realization, in many ways, specifically enlightenment. It's something outside of them that they discover. Like the Buddha found enlightenment with under, under the under the Buddha tree and the abandoned tree. He found it. But all he did was

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 47:55
Uncovered his

Alex Ferrari 47:57
Uncovered it. The beauty. And if you think about Christ, same thing, same thing. It's just beautiful. And so

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 48:06
No other God besides you. There's no other God besides you than Stiller than stillness itself. In silence, I do behold my rising innermost star. I dissolve in that mystery, untold, so near, yet so far. This is the penultimate state of realization. It's near and far. But when the near and far of you, that is your ego and the star, which is your intuition, become one, then you become totally enlightened. There is no duality. When you become the singularity you are entitled. This is a poem which I have made you cannot with your mind, because you're saying you're so near yet so far, because you're still in the mind. But that mind dissolves. There is no mirror of reflecting God or Krishna or Ram or Christ or Zarathustra. You become them.

Alex Ferrari 49:22
And that is it is difficult for a lot of people listening to believe what you just said in the sense that you are God, You are God, and it's a simple concept, but, but Western, especially Western civilization, has pounded in us for so long that

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 49:40
They do not know why they have pounded it into you. You see they they are half chefs. They didn't practice the full of yoga. So that's why they used to get stuck along the way. The first complete system of God realization was developed. In Sanatana Dharma in Bharat varsh, India,

Alex Ferrari 50:03
1000s and 1000s of years ago,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 50:06
To say that I am God is a blasphemy. Yes, this blasphemy was made a blasphemy because people on their real path of the Gnosis may not develop, the very ego will block your way. If you say, I am God, you can only be God. You cannot say you're God, because the moment you say I the ego comes in, and the ego is an obstacle to your realization as your reality. So the I has to be removed, but the purpose they had the I was to teach you a lesson to be humble and not say I. But ultimately, when the I itself disappears, you are, just be, just be that you are. So the I has become had become taboo because they associated with the ego or the ahamkar and the I is an ownership principle. The moment the i takes birth in your heart, you want this. You want that you do ownership. You know. So to avoid all this, they prevented the I. But ultimately, there is no I in that you don't say it's I,

Alex Ferrari 51:18
Well, let me ask you, then, what is the concept of I am, that I am, what God apparently said to Moses about the mountain,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 51:27
That is the penultimate state of realization.

Alex Ferrari 51:30
Okay, so in that state, it makes sense.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 51:33
In that state, it makes sense because for God even to speak or to act in any fashion with which the human mind or soul can understand. He has to take a form. And he took a form as the burning bush. When he took a form in the burning bush, he also had a voice, so the moment that's absolute perfection in which there is pure consciousness, no electron, proton, neutron, there is no Rajo tattva, Tama in sattva gun. So the moment he disturbed the pure consciousness and came into creation, into the divine mind, he became limited to creation. And therefore the God of Moses and of Abraham was Ishwar and not parameshwar. He was God and not the Lord God,

Alex Ferrari 52:34
Because he had to come down,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 52:35
Yes, because when you create a single disturbance, a spanda, they say the first vibration in non being was the spanda created by God's process of vision, drishta, seeing this Panda, you begin to come into nature and intuition. So he about whom we know nothing cannot be discussed nor known, unless you become it or merge into it. Explain that please those who tell it know it not. Those who know it tell it not

Alex Ferrari 53:23
Do do not say.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 53:27
No it says, don't read the menu. Here's the food. Eat the mango. But those who are eating the mango cannot say that the mango is sweet or sour because their mouth is already filled with the mango and they are experiencing it to be sweet. They don't want to tell others. They say, you experience it for yourself. That's how God laid down the process of realization. God realization.

Alex Ferrari 53:59
You've been on this plane for quite some time, you've seen humanity change over these years, especially the West, especially the West, there is more people looking to awaken, more people investigating, trying To seek out information. To my from my experience. Do you believe that humanity is making a shift, is making this growth in consciousness that's opening up, from your point of view? Or do we have eons to go?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 54:35
Well, I would divide humanity into three sections. The physical, the celestial and the divine. So in the divine section, the causal section, more people have made it say 60% and. In the celestial section, 30% and in the human, human section, terrestrial section, about 10% this is how I see it. I'm open to correction now. But one thing is, there even those people in the celestial realms. You of St George, or in the divine realms of Michael and karthikey, they also have to come down to earth and go through this rigmarole. Many of the gods and planets have to tread the earth. They have all tread the earth before us. And all have tread all the planets of the solar system in their circle and cycle of evolution. And then they evolve slowly, from planet to planet to planet to planet. And then they go to the sun, then they go to the cosmic so these are stages of evolution. The stars are merely the the vehicles which are inhabited, like informing spirits of Zeus Peter, inhabiting zupetta of Saturn, inhabiting Yahweh. Yahweh inhabiting Saturn of Neptune, no inhabiting Neptune of Apollo, inhabiting Uranus. So these are the various informing spirits which inhabit these various planets.

Alex Ferrari 56:43
So you do believe that planets themselves have their own souls, and that the universe, like the galaxies themselves, have their own soul, and so on and so on? Yes, so on.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 56:54
These are, these are inhabiting beings who are grosser so that they can have subtler and subtler bodies, but all of them bundled into one, all of them are enlightened. Potentially in the future, they will all go to that state of enlightenment from the very informing spirit of the Sun, who already must be enlightened. He must be just sent there to out of compassion, to work for creation. We are at a lower rug. So we are also evolving in this alchemy of total transformation. But the transformation is total. Neither that ring will be prevented from becoming God, neither the band you tie or the metallic substance that will all be progressing towards enlightenment, though it take eons of billions and trillions of years, but it will all go into the great void. He about whom we know nothing. Who art thou? I know thee not, and yet I am of thee. I cannot comprehend Thee, Lord, thou emperor of divinity. So I take my ego aside, humble myself. I sit and melt in silence of thy love. O infinite. Make me thy truth. Make me thy love, eternal, Lord of Light,

Alex Ferrari 58:17
Beautiful, beautiful. I wanted to ask you, because there's I'm confused about this, and I think you're the man to ask about this. I heard when I was when I'd been studying Yogananda, he would talk about meditations and going into Samadhi. I think it's called when you go into samadhi in meditation, he would go off to other realms, the astral realms, the celestial realm? Can you explain what that is? What is the celestial realm? The astral realm when you go into or what happens when you go into Samadhi? Where are these other realms that we can travel to within a deep meditation or evolution of our soul?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 58:56
Well, in a yoke called lay yoga and other mystic schools in India, they believe that the human being has seven chakras, or pranic lotuses. If he wants to go to those lotuses, they are this. They are the different realms which are in his body and which are also outside in the cosmos, okay, so in the Gayatri mantra, they have made a mention of all the seven heavens, Om bhum, bhavam, swaham, mahom, Janam, tapam, Satyam, Satyaloka is the highest loka that comes here. So these realms, they correspond to the realms outside. And when you go to that particular realm cosmically, you have to wear the body, the physical body, the passional body, the emotional body you know, and the devotional body, the mental body, the intuitional body and the spiritual body, which you have within you. Yourself made of matter. These bodies have, you have to go into to enter those realms. If you can't go in a grasser body and enter subtler realm, that's what they call astral traveling. But all these states are relative states one to another. They are relative states of enlightenment into a vaster and vaster expression of your true divine nature, but they are not the ultimate enlightenment. Only when you have got rid of the cosmic mind. Freedom from mind is moksha. Chitta Vritti, nirodha, Patanjali has said in the Yoga Sutras that when you get rid of the Chitta is not merely the mind. Chitta is all these things, your lower, passional, emotional, devotional mind, then your ego mind, the mind the will to do you know, the will to conquer, the will for name and fame, the will to become president. So this is the rajasic mind, and then you conquer the sattvic mind, sitting and meditating long hours trying to settle transform in scientific language, trying to transform savikalpa into Nirvikalpa Samadhi, or to transform your electron into the wave. The wave particle duality is the catch point of Maya. That is the great delusion.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:26
That's interesting.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:01:27
That is the great delusion which science is at a loss, is to say, hey, is this world a particle or a wave? Is it matter or spirit? We still don't. They're still struggling with this. Oh, they said they don't. They don't admit it. So for for them, they have not penetrated the core. So as long as they penetrated the core, this wave particle duality will remain like a what a Schrodinger cat. The cat is exists, so it doesn't exist. But you cannot argue over it unless you open the door and actually see for yourself. You have to see for you, for yourself.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:05
That is, yeah, short hairs cat is pretty interesting,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:02:08
And that you'll see that the cat doesn't exist, but it does exist, but unless you jump into that that room, you learn to find out, then you yourself lose your mind, because you don't know whether you exist or not exist, except in the larger awareness of the reality which people call the Lord God. You see, I want to get back to one point, which I missed out, please, which I need to tell you, which nobody will tell. Gurunath, how are you calling our God limited. And how are you saying that this word ayer asher ayer. How do you pronounce it in Jude, in the Hebrew language, the yahudin language ayer asher ayer. ayer asher ayer this, something like this, I am, that I am. God does not need to say this. He does not need to say any word, because the first word which happened with creation was according to the Sanatan philosophy of the Vedas, was the big explosion. It's called the sport philosophy, okay, 1000s of years later, they came with a big bang. But it's a rehash of the first one,

Alex Ferrari 1:03:39
A few of those things and a few things that they've taken from the Vedic from the east.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:03:44
No, I won't say they take it. They took it inspired. No, they must have discovered it individually, right? Of course, I am not. I'm not saying no, no. I'm saying the dateline there, we have already come across this now, when they the seer, the drishta he is seeing, that is drishti, the process of seeing. At that time, a very peculiar thing happens. The Lord God creates creation. The first wave of enlightened light, not light. Light is too slow. Enlightened light is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. It's not moving like light. It's not limited. Then the great void of the lightless light, and the Spirit of the Lord, to make it simple, is accompanying his lower nature, which is called prakriti, or intuition. And in that nature is formed. Nature. Is formed along with God. So if she has the three gunas, tamaraja and sattva Guna, she has with it also the Lord God. And when there's the perfect blend of God with nature, that is not the Lord God, it is called God. It is called Ishwar, the supreme ruler, for he is with Prakruti, and he is ruling the whole creation with her, but she is doing all the activity of Manas. He, by His mere presence, is supplying the fuel for creation to carry on. That's why, at that level, when God was merged with the Holy Spirit, because the Western people have knocked out the feminine aspect. The Macho male people have knocked it out which is not, which is wrong. So they're both there, Shiva and Shakti. In India, we have a picture of half Shiva and half Shakti, ardhana, Ishwar. Now that is a very beautiful depiction of Ishwar God, or the Lord God, or in Michelangelo's Capella Sistina Sistine Chapel, they have God with his finger and had a man touching. So that is not the Lord God, because the Lord God is beyond human comprehension, beyond name and beyond form. The moment there is name and form, He is God, the God of our creation. And it is this God of our creation that says, I am, that I am. So here I have explained that the God of creation, once he comes into creation, He, although aware, abides by the laws of creation, which he himself created, maybe like electromagnet, electromagnetism or thermodynamism or gravity, you know, or electrolysis or whatever, whatever, these cosmic laws. So both these informing spirits, which are potentially infinite, they limit themselves for creation and work the whole creation out.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:00
So Gurunath, the one of your favorite subjects is Babaji. One of my favorite subjects to talk about on the show is Baba Ji. And in we've already, if anyone who doesn't know who Babaji is, they could look at our other conversation. But he is basically the the the yogi, the master of masters. He's 2500 years old, maybe longer older, living in the living in the Himalayas to this day comes and goes as he pleases into this incarnation, does and goes out and is helping humanity throughout his time, throughout all, throughout all history. That's my understanding of who Babaji is, as does Babaji work on a multi dimensional timeline simultaneously? Like, is he in multiple places at the same time? Because right now, when I speak to near death experiencers, I have a lot of people in the West, when they die, they see Jesus or they see Buddha or something like that, but, but every Jesus can be everywhere at once. But, yes, he can be everywhere as well as because he's everywhere at once on the other side, because on the other side, you can project yourself 1000 billion places at once. Can Babaji do the same in this timeline, in this place? Because we were talking earlier about God coming down into into creation or into materialism, and it changes because he's now away from the ultimate version of himself. Does that make sense?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:08:29
You see people when they are speaking about Babaji, they have given a very, very limited picture of who Babaji is. Okay, according to my humble, in depth experience. I think they are giving a very relative and a very limited experience of who Babaji is, especially in the in the in the in the time frame manner in which they are talking about this being. He is the very core of creation. But as he comes down through the septenary Heavens to lower and lower fields. This being limits himself. This being accommodates himself to the limited understanding of man. You see, each one knows Babaji to the extent of his personal realization of Babaji, but nobody knows him in his complete essence, there are two aspects when we speak of Babaji in his unlimited Divine Sense, and the others that we speak of Babaji in his limited sense, where he came as the parapar guru of Paramahansa Yogananda and the the supreme guru of all the the initiates of the Kriya Yoga section, which is a very small fraction of who Babaji really is. What would you like me to start with? Is how I would understand him to be, or how the people are talking about which is very boring.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:34
I like your version. Personally. I like your version better.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:10:37
Yes. So my version is that at the beginning of time, Before time, this non being essentiality, who I call Babaji existed. Why I have given this title is that although he is the non being, he is still the essentiality of all matter, although he has nothing to do with matter, he is the father of all matter. This is the source from where he comes. That means the source, in plain and simple words, is he does not come from Ishwar or God. He comes from the Lord God. And I have explained this process before, that at the beginning of time, there was this fort theory, the Big Bang, as you can call it, where creation began, and the drishta, the seer the Supreme, in the process of seeing created, Babaji, as the spirit and prakriti, with her quality that is nature, the divine mind, cosmic mind and cosmic consciousness came into creation at the same time. Right? The cosmic matter was composed of the three gunas, Raja, Tama, Satwa and the Cosmic Consciousness remained consciousness side by side, accompanying and animating a creation. So that was the purush, was an animating the prakriti. So the Purusha and the prakriti are depicted as Shiva and Shakti. They are called ardhanareshwar, and in this, in my book, Babaji, the lightning standing still, I have said that Shiva is the lightning holder, the lightning wielder and the lightning molder all at once, as the Lightning as the lightning holder. He is Shiv goraksha Babaji as the lightning molder. He is Shiv goraksha Babaji and Mataji, which is Ardha nareshvar, Shiva and Shakti, half Shiva and half Shakti as the lightning wielder, the molder. And the third state is the lightning wielder, where the Shiva aspect becomes silent and only Shakti, she wields the whole of creation with the three gunas of Raja, Tama sattva, and creates the whole of creation with electrons, protons and neutrons, respectively. And that is creation. This is where Baba Ji's origin is. He sees is he is the isness of the zero, not zero.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:58
I read somewhere that Babaji had a sister. Is that correct?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:14:03
Babaji's sister is called Mataji, okay? And she is none other but his own aspect, his dynamic aspect of the potential Babaji of the purush, the Prakruti aspect is Mataji. And they have come into this world. They have come into this world to bring harmony, peace and the evolution of the whole of creation back to its source, and specifically in the School of yoga, Avatar Lahiri, Mahasaya, gyanatha, Sri Yukteswar and Prem avatar Paramahansa, Yogananda. He is given the science by His mere presence and Lahiri mahasaya's innovation and his his beseeching Babaji, the science soul saving science next level soul has come to us by the grace of yoga Lahiri Mahasaya and gyanatha Sri Yukteswar. Who is my ishtadeva with gorakshanath. And I was born on the 10th May, the same day as gyanatha Sri Yukteswar. And therefore there are certain realizations I've had with him connected to Babaji. But Babaji is even in the autobiography, other people have said, do not try to know who is Babaji. You cannot pierce his transcendental star. Even Paramahansa yoganandaji has mentioned this, you cannot pierce his transcendental star.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:40
What do you mean by that?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:15:43
That is beyond mind and meaning. So it is very difficult to tell you what I mean by that, and I cannot make you know that, because nobody has pierced his transcendental star. But however, Babaji, he is called Babaji for namesake, whom I personally call Shiv goraksha Babaji. And this is the Babaji I have had vision of. This is the Babaji I associate with and merge with, by His grace, not mine. And I have written this book as an humble offering, and it is on a Babaji, the lightning standing still so he is beyond light causation, space and time. Only when he stands still in light can he take a form. And the form of Babaji come because light is matter at its subtlest, with the photon and the quark and the neutrino, these are subtle building blocks, and he has to come down to take this, this form in creation. That's where he gets his name, Baba Ji Shiva, Baba premba Baba.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:10
So the stories that are in Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda, of him basically walking around the Himalayas as as of today, still walking with a group of initiates that are with him and students, he kind of just appears and disappears and goes to wherever he wants to go and everything works. Is that how you understand Babaji as well?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:17:34
No, okay, I understand him very well at that level. Yes. Paramahansa, Yogananda, to give a very, very simple, basic, basic thing of Babaji in those times, because the force of Christianity was a lot, and he had to sort of play to the understanding of the Christian people and the Christian church. Therefore, he said the Christ like yogi, this thing, but babaji's stature was way beyond anything we can imagine. And you see, I have given an idea. This is a very simple but correct idea of Babaji. You see, he comes from the Supreme unknown, but he is a mahavatar. So avatru. Avatru means descent in diminishing order. Avatru descend in diminishing order so that Babaji can accommodate himself to the limited understanding of man with that point of view, Yogananda has made it simple for people to understand that Babaji is a physical body. He roams about. He can disappear and appear at any time. He is not bound by the laws of karma and nature. He is beyond that that much he is given, and he roams with his little band of advanced disciples upon this earth. But there are other heavens and planes and planets where he is also functioning, and other galaxies too.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:04
So he's multi dimensional,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:19:06
But I multi dimensional is a is a very beggarly word for what His Majesty is. Very beggarly word because we have a pure few coins of worn out words, we are sure we are compelled to use those words because we have, from our begging bowl of vocabulary, paucity of words we have. Therefore I have written, Who art thou? I know thee, not. Words are so dry and dumb I cannot comprehend thee. Lord, thou, Emperor of divinity. But however, I gave an idea. Somebody asked me, What do you think of Babaji? So people, still, some of them, feel that I have not given these words, but I have invited them to research. It's no big deal if it's if it's anywhere. I don't mind, but I said this somewhere. Babaji is the being who plays with causation, space and time, like a child plays with soap bubbles, and if he were to smile in his innocence, he could shatter the world. This is my loving expression of Babaji. I don't want any limitation. I don't want any linear thinking. I don't want anyone to hedge me in with my ideas because I'm a poet. Let me feel feel me free. Let me feel free to fly the azure sky of unlimited love. An eternal no die. So just to give you a taste of what he is, he plays with causation. That means he is doing the role of the supreme initiator on all the heavens, Seven Heavens and earths, and also looking after the people in the seven hells. Rasaatal palap, patal Talat al rasa tal you know all the seven hells, like the seven hells, it is His Majesty, because of whose presence that these hells are existence otherwise, even the damn hells would disappear. This is my personal view of Babaji, and I keep it close to my heart, and I have been deep, but this is the shallowest. But if you cannot pierce his transcendental star, and I'm telling you this, which is making the audience dizzy as to His Majesty and what he is, then, what can be beyond his transcendental star? What state of the isness of the zero, not zero, must Babaji be? I'm talking about the grand finale where the source of Babaji is, and I cannot talk about it, because there are no words. All this, these words I'm using for him are from the begging bowl of our vocabulary. There's a paucity of words for what I have experienced, and that too is not the finale. So they said, Then, how does he come down to earth? How is he every every person meets him and all I said, even now, Babaji could be in the theater. Even now you could experience Him in your breath. But each one according to his own capacity. You are Babaji, to the extent you know Baba Ji, a little child knows Babaji as Santa Claus. Okay, let's see another child who will come. They'll say he's a very great, a great saint, or he's Elijah, or Christ. Another great person may come and say he's just beyond in the highest Samadhi, it depends upon their degree of realization. So I am saying everybody who gives a description of Babaji is correct. One person says, Babaji lives one Kalp, he is 120 years you are right. Babaji is just 700 years old. I mean, with all due respect to those people, it makes me laugh, you know, sure, and even the descriptions that I have taken out of Babaji from the ancient scriptures, mind you, I call him Shiv Gorakshababaji, Parma Yogananda was born in Gorakhpur, okay, and his father, Bhagwati Charan Ghosh, was a great devotee of gorakshanath. Therefore he called his first son Gora, his the is the majeda majle dada. The name of the book is actually in Hindi. We call it majle Dada, middle brother, and the short for it is majeda majleda. The younger one was Yogananda. But Yogananda was found. Meditating deep hours in the Gorakhnath temple, not in the Babaji. There's a temple. There's no temple known as Babaji. They have Yogananda to not expose it clearly to the people. He didn't say it is gorakhanat temple. Then otherwise he is clearly mentioned. If I were to mention the miracles of Babaji, if I were to tell you in depth, it would fulfill 10 volumes like Autobiography of a Yogi, I suppose I am here to fill the second volume of The Autobiography of a Yogi delving a little deeper. You see, he will let us know only how much he wishes us to know we cannot delve more into his deeper star. But I have known that it is none other than Shiva, goraksha Babaji who is the Babaji of Autobiography of a Yogi. And I have had his experience, and in that experience, I have seen them to be the same. I will also give you a scientific explanation for this. Don't worry, this is the age of science. I'm not trying to shirk away from anything, and I'm agreed to others opinions. This is my personal experience. It's not an opinion. I don't go on opinions in faith, for faith is blind experience is that which blazes the trail you see in my last talk I had given about majlida, majeda, the book in which his name is Gora and the Bhagavati Charan, asked for a child, a spiritual child. He was given it by Guru Rath Gorath is still aware and around and you can still experience Him. Anyone who chants his name with reference attracts an instantaneous blessing. This is the splendor of shiv goraksha Babaji at the beginning of time.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:27:21
This being, along with the integrated consciousness of the universe, when it was seeing there was a great explosion from his heart, which people now refer to, the Big Bang and all but in the in the scriptures, in the Nath tradition, also, it is said gorakshnath was born from the great explosion of Shiva, who is the Lord God param Shiva. Was this Shiva born? This Shiva was born. The birth of Babaji was from the explosion of the heart of this integrated consciousness from the before time and then time and causation and space gradually took their place in the cosmic laws simultaneously. And when he burst forth from the heart of Shiva, along with him, with the drishta, the process of seeing was gorakshanath and his Shakti, purush, and prakriti, Shiva and Parvati. So the Shiv that was meant to look after creation is called Gorakhnath gorba and the paramshiva, which is to be perpetually in the state of Samadhi, is Mahadev Sadashiva, or param Shiva. Now this Shiva, along with Parvati, is also called Ishwar gorakshanath, has been given that work for this whole cycle the great world cycle. And he divides himself into many other swambu Manus, many other naths all over creation in descending limitations of the space time continuum. So he accommodated himself to the space time continuum. You see, he accommodated himself within light. Otherwise, what is? What is there were 300,000 miles per second for gorakshanath, what is it for Babaji? He is there, here, there and everywhere, instantly. And he appears to people at many times, at many places. Why do people talk such nonsense and such baby? These are kindergarten things. If you take a roll call or a special you inquire around the people. I'm saying this, I feel humbled with all humility, but people have to be educated. I'm appearing to hundreds of people many times at the same time. This happened in Maui. This happening here, and they don't even know me, and when they see me on TV, they say, This is the man who appeared to me in the dreams. So this is a very kindergarten stage. We people are nowhere there. So this is the second state of initiation, which is called there. There are these various stages of initiation. You know, first you have the dwij, the twice born, then you have the kutijak, then you have the Hamsa, then you have the parampansa, fourth degree of initiation, after the paramatsa, then you have the Siddha, fifth degree. So at the second degree of initiation, you begin to get this astral travel. It's not a big deal, but to get astral travel with purpose, you must be directed by high command, by other higher beings like Sri Yukteswar, Lahiri Baba yogatar, gyanatha yuteshwar and the mahavatar, anupa dukkha, swambo, Shiv Goraksha Babaji. So Shiv goraksha Babaji is that being who, in his spiritual self, spiritual awareness lasts for the whole world, the whole cosmic cycle of 340 trillion years after that, he goes into his own state of Samadhi, along with the great Brahma, who is called the silent watcher. You see one day of brahma. Let me tell you people boast about the Aztec calendar, or the Mayan calendar. It has come to an end. It is 5000 years ago. So it means 2000 years ago. How did they know a 5000 year old cycle? Well, listen to the great calculations of of asuramaya and the brahmarigu and the great and the great grand Rishi, Auguste and the great calculator of cosmic cycles, Narada, they were all great calculators. Asura, Maya was a was a great being, cosmic calendar. They calculated the 300 and 40 trillion years cycle, the life of our creation. The life of our creation is politely saying that is the life of one of the creators. This is the Hindu calendar of the cosmic cycle, the Sanatan calendar. Now, in this 300 trillion years, there is one day of brahma. That is one day. To give you a better picture, for a better understanding, if you go to the Sistine Chapel of Michelangelo, you will see God that is the creator they have depicted. So here's one day in the cosmic cycle, not in the individual or human or celestial cycles, they are smaller cycle within cycles, each smaller than the other. One day of this cosmic cycle is equal to 4,320,000,000 years. That is a day of our Creator, the Michelangelo picture that you see with the big beard, and they say on the Lord God, or of Ayer Asher a year. Now this one day is divided into 14 sections, and there are the 14 kings who rule each of the minor world cycles. There's a cosmic sense, also not in the terrestrial or human sense. So in this cosmic self, each Manu rules for 300 million years, and there are 14 such Manus. So if you constitute a reign of a divine Manu for 300 million years, and you multiply it by 14, you get 4,320,000,000 years, which is a day of brahma. You understand I do now, there are 100 days in a year of Brahma, and so on. So for this and and. 100 years in the life, so on, so forth. It goes on. It's too complex for me to calculate also, because the numbers are so, so mind boggling. This is one cosmic cycle of creation. You're going to the Mayans, and all 5000 years, 10,000 years cycle. It's the source. Source is Arya Varta, India, Sanatan Dharma has through the great Narad and bhugu and Agastya and asurya Maya, great gigantic calculators of super human intelligence have calculated this, and now they are not going wrong. They are still right. You know what they are saying now you will be surprised. The rain of one sun, one solar cycle is 280 280 to 300 billion years. The time it takes the sun and our solar system to go around the black hole is 280 between 280 to 300 million years. They are still calculating, because exact science is never exact, because you you can't calculate exact science on a moving universe, right? That is a problem. Yes, that is the problem. Ever expanding. Yes, ever expanding. Now they who calculated it, 510, 1000 years ago, or five 7000 10,000 years ago. We would give them the benefit of the doubt. They're saying 300 years reign of one king, one celestial King, divine king. And here they are saying that the divine king is always this, the sun, our son and many other sons. They take 280, to 300 million years. So there is the reign of one spiritual Manu. That's a world cycle. Then there is a lay and a minimum destruction period called pralay, according to the cosmic, not celestial or human. Human cycle is much shorter which jnanas Yukteswar has given of the yuga. It's a 12,000 year old cycle, 12,000 24,000 year, 1000 year. Then there's a personal cycle. So let's not get into all this. This is a calculative system. And I was, I was very bad at math. In my listing, I used to get, I used to get the the big zero in my in trigonometry and this thing, till I realized that Vivekananda spoke on the zero that gave me a lot of encouragement, and I'm giving the zero or no mind state, I realized the value of the zero. That's why I comfort myself.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:37
Gurunath, let me ask you, without with everything that's happening in the world today. What do you believe Babaji's message would be to humanity right now?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:37:49
Babaji's message would be to look at humanity as the silent watcher and sustain the whole of humanity and creation. For him, the rabbit is not bad, neither is the king cobra. The Savage is not bad eating raw meat, neither is the Brahman eating his avocado and celery. He has equal compassion for both, and he wants the evolution of both. He tries to refine the mindset of by giving these people a chance. This is a long evolutionary process. It's a long evolutionary process of eons of billions of years. So what are you want to ask me that of this thing, what you want to ask me there is one atom in the body of Babaji, and that atom is being taught Kriya Yoga. So the Babaji in his finale, as you told me, I should go ahead with my view of Babaji. So going then I'll tell you about the littler Babaji, who accommodates himself to the limited understanding of man. Then I will tell you about him, but now he is with he is called the silent watcher. He is the Divine Light by which we are practicing Kriya Yoga. You are reading the Holy Bible. The other one is reading the Bhagavad Gita. He is the Divine Light by which the forger is forging a document to cheat people of millions of dollars. The Watcher is still watching. He is the one in broad daylight a person can see who is shooting. Is accurate enemy and killing them in battle according to their own law of karma. Babaji is watching the law of karma, which he created also, and he is also the watching the killer and the to be killed, and the killer and the to be killed will each get their reward and punishment, as per Newton's third law of motion, or I should say, Bhaskar, bhaskaracharya's third law of motion, that each action has an equal and opposite reaction. So he gives them a little more discrimination, so that they should think before they act. So this vast being is so vast, and your question is so little, that I am at a loss as to what I should answer, because you're asking me, from my state of who I think Babaji is, I cannot answer that little question, which kriya yoga and which Christian Science and which Islam and which Hinduism. For me, as long as I am existing, my breath is running through the breath of humanity, but and the light is there. They're forging their documents, they're praying. They're doing this thing. They're acting, creating murders. They're being pure. They're having sex, they're having wine, they're having women, because my awareness is there in them. They are having laughter and then they are having sermons and soda the day after. But I am watching. I am unchanged for I am the silent watcher. Because of whom everything goes on. But for example, if I put off the light, neither will the forger of the documents be able to forge his documents, neither will you be able to read the Bible, neither will I be able to read the Bhagavad Gita and with the inner light of this awareness, neither would I be able to evolve. So he is about the alchemy of total transformation. There is no good nor bad for him. All that is is he has created the circadian rhythms of nature when winter has its snow, snowflakes. He does not compete with the snowflakes and the different designs. He does not need to because he is the very common snow that is behind all the different snowflakes. So he is not differentiated. He is undifferentiated. He is homogeneous. And for him, behind the fragmented in babaji's vision, behind the fragmented space time events of this world lies his omnipresence of reality.

Alex Ferrari 1:42:59
Can I ask you a question you mentioned earlier. This is off the topic of Babaji, because we've gone to speak. We can't we get we've gone too far. This is too much for one episode, as you said, 10 volumes. We have to keep talking about Babaji.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:43:16
No, I will calm down. I will calm down

Alex Ferrari 1:43:20
The you mentioned before that in the West that they were taking a lot of the feminine aspects out of these stories, these religions, these spiritual spirituality, I've noticed that the feminine energy seems to be growing now it seems to be coming up more because we've been so male dominated. The masculine energy has been so dominating for 1000s and 1000s of years, where now the female energy is starting to come up to balance it a little bit more. Do you agree that the feminine energy is starting to make itself known a little bit more because

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:44:04
Yes, I would love to agree. And I always champion the women's cause Yes, because it makes my heart literally like bleed, yes, and it I wait wells up with tears for the woman the way they are treated in Afghanistan. Yes. And I wouldn't even like to to speak the truth, my limited truth about how women themselves are made as the receiving end, and man himself is made as the transmitting end. It's okay if the woman is with you. For the act of creation, the man puts his seed in the woman, and she receives the seed, so she is more passive, and that passivity has a beauty to it. Mm. It and man is aggressive and progressive. Progressive. He has more of the Rajogun. He transmits his seed into the zygote, into her, the Ojas virya and Ojas, that is the sperm and the ova. So does the sperm penetrate the ova? Or the ova penetrate the sperm?

Alex Ferrari 1:45:35
I think it's the first one.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:45:39
Then they must all pray you see. But this does not mean that man should exploit his positive nature to outer actions in the world I detest, and I think it's a great fallacy on man's behavior to bully the mother these idiotic men who do this, they don't realize that they are born from the womb of the mother, you idiots. I'm addressing that part of society, and the Afghani Taliban, if it wasn't for her, you would never be where you are, and yet you are treating other worse than chattel and cattle. This is a very, very disgraceful thing, and the scar of humanity is not only on the Taliban, but since we are human beings with them, we also carry the scar of bullying them and doing this nonsense. That's why it is going to be a very difficult task, because the very nature of women is passive. I'm speaking because I have to speak. You put me on a very difficult subject. I don't want to, didn't want to speak this, but I cannot tell you a lie. Yes, the woman will, will, will rise and, you know, I'm sorry, it's a very sensitive subject. And if you see, in the case of the the hyna, the hyena, the woman, the hyena species is risen, and the man is just a servant to the side. She throws him aside. She takes the first thing she's even grown a false organ. The hyena grows a false or but they cannot operate it. They cannot get the seed for the seed. They have to go to the male hyena. That is how God has made it. But I am championing the cause of woman, that I pray to the good Lord to give these certain sections of society, like the Taliban, or certain sections of society which are treating the woman as secondary, should give them equal respect, honor the womanhood, for she is the mother. She is the Divine One. I've written my poem panna, that you should read it. It's one of the best poems that I've written, championing the cause of womanhood, the motherhood of of humanity. You know, where she gives her life, her own son, and saves the prince's life. That I've made a poem on that but, but sad to say that, when will this happen? Because I'm praying first. Let us start from the worst places, like in Iran. This a lot went off. A lot of young ladies died. Their freedom was restricted by that. I don't mean that women should be encouraged to dance naked, of course, in the streets, but give them their rights of driving, education, standing shoulder to shoulder with man, working with him, helping him. Why not so? So they are rising, but that you see, man's ego is very subtle. Somehow or the other, he's going to go to the side and try to Trump her. And that's why women are becoming very cautious. If the woman ruled a lot, and they were a lot, a woman in in more of the administration, there'd be lot more peace and good sense instead of the rash aggression of man. I'm not disgracing man, but many a time Man has misused and abused his power to overpower the home. Just a little, just a little bit. Of course, this is, this is a sad thing. It is, it is. And I'm always praying night and day that, Oh good lord, give woman the Shakti, for she is the inspiration, and the Shakti of man also very true. And why, oh, man, are you mistreating her? This is a great dichotomy. It's a great this thing between and some women I saw in Italy or some places, unless the husband dominates them, they are not happy. They want Him to dominate them. Sure. So this is a question we cannot discuss here. It's a personal thing. I personally pray for the welfare in my meditation and say, Good lord, give them freedom from this tyranny of misguided men.

Alex Ferrari 1:49:47
Now Gurunath, before we finish off, can you give a blessing to everybody watching and who's going to be watching this in the future? Before we leave,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:49:59
I can give them a blessing by silently meditating. And I don't have any, I have one prayer, yes, but I can give them a by just sitting silence for five minutes. That's the blessing.

Alex Ferrari 1:50:13
Now, that would be fantastic, but not wouldn't be very good visual spots. Is there? Is there, is there anything you could say, a little prayer, a little something that can I give them before we leave,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:50:26
I will tell you two prayers. And one is a simple one. My sister had once asked me, what prayer shall I give? Because in my school, there are many children of various denominations. They're Christians, they're Hindus, they're Muslims. So I said that the best prayer I can give you is the 11th commandment. And make the children fold their hands.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:51:15
O Lord, give us to realize that humanity is our uniting religion breath, our uniting prayer and consciousness, our uniting God, because this is who we actually are. The other breath prayer I give Ki, that is a Sanskrit prayer, Ki, O Lord, may they be good will and peace to all mankind on earth. May nobody ever be sad, may always everybody ever be in a state of tranquil peace and bliss. Aum, **prayer** May there be peace on earth and goodwill to all mankind, dear souls, I know that for what I am teaching, I am giving my state of Samadhi to an unprepared audience, but those who are in tune with me will receive a thought free State of tranquil awareness.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:25
Thank you, my friend, that was beautiful again. Thank you so much for being here, and I do look forward to our next conversation. Blessings my friend, thank you.