Alex Ferrari 0:00
Now, before we get started, guys, I just wanted to let you know what you're about to watch. I have done at this point over 1500 interviews in my podcasting career, and over 600 on next level. Soul. And the guest you're about to see. His name is Guru Nath, and he his energy as a walking spiritual master in the room was something I have never felt before. I'm still kind of dealing with him. He literally just left. And I'm recording this as a beginning of this interview, so this transmission, this conversation, is charged with an amazing energy that I hope you guys feel as well. Some will feel it, some won't, and that's fine. We discussed that actually in the conversation, but this is one of the more powerful interviews I've had on the show. It moved me almost to tears at moments, and I think it's going to really help a lot of people out there. So sit back and enjoy.

Alex Ferrari 1:09
This new age that you're speaking of is that what we are all going through as humanity right now?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:14
It is said that this young boy, Kalki, at the age of 25 to 28 will declare this Satya yoga, the golden age, they will be bumpy and they will be for but the bumpiness will tend towards a settlement. This being is called the nameless one. He is called the non being essentiality, and he is called he about whom naught may be said, and he is called simply Shiv goraksha Babaji by his intense concentration has accelerated the yugas and brought upon us, in the very new future, the Satyug Earth Peace shall not come about by United Nations. Organization, earth, peace shall come about by United Minds Organization.

Alex Ferrari 2:06
You now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please, like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show, Yogi Raj. How you doing Yogi Raj?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 2:48
Yes, I'm doing well.

Alex Ferrari 2:50
Thank you so much for for making the trip all the way from India to Austin to visit me. I truly am honored, and it's a privilege having you in the studio. I am so looking forward to our conversation, because I have, I have studied a lot in Yogananda work in kriya yoga, and I'm fascinated with Baba Ji, as he's in the middle of all of the Ascended Masters there, as well as all the other masters that I have around us. My very first question to you, Yogi Raj, is, I've always said that when you are becoming a spiritual going on in a level of enlightenment, self realization, going on the spiritual path, Buddha, Yogananda, they're very much monk like but you are likely here in mahay, who had a family, have a wife, have a child. Because I always said, if you want to truly test how enlightened you are, spend the weekend with your family. You have been able to do the work that you're doing as a spiritual master while being married, marrying and have a family and raise a family. How are you able to do that? How can you balance the real world with the spiritual path that you're on? Because it seems like it should be one or the other, but you've been able to balance the two. So what advice do you have for people that want to go down this path?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 4:17
Be like Lahiri Mahasaya, be a householder and yet achieve the goal. And Babaji, Maharaj, Yoga Lahiri Mahasaya and Gyanavatar Sri Yukteswar have always wanted to send to this world. Householder yogis, after the great work, of course, paramansa Yogananda did, which he showed that a celibate and a brahmachari can also attain to enlightenment, and a householder yogi can also attain to enlightenment. And therefore they sent. Household a yogi amongst all you people to show them. No excuses. I have a wife. My children are going to school. I'm going to get my daughter married. It will all happen. Take it in your stride, but don't leave your one or three hours of isolation, your solitude with the divine use. Utilize one hour at least, and many more if you can, for your communion with your divine indweller,

Alex Ferrari 5:38
Beautiful so in meditation, many times. You could do it in meditation, the hour, the three hours in meditation to be connected with the Divine

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 5:45
In meditation, you don't connect with the divine indweller. Okay? To connect with the indweller, you have to go to a state of Samadhi.

Alex Ferrari 5:55
How do you get there?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 5:57
A state of Samadhi? To put it in layman's language, is a thought free state of tranquil awareness where there is not a single ripple of thought in your mind's lake. And I always tell my disciples, the advanced ones, hold your silence, stillness still. If you hold your silence, you cannot see the divine indweller. You cannot become ONE with Him. If you hold your silence and become still, you cannot be one with the Divine indweller. If you hold your silence and stillness, still. Then you become one with your divine indweller, because you are bereft of all thought. And when all thought disappears, consciousness appears, which is another name for atma or the divine indweller. So you have to be in a state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi. You can also be in a state of sampradnath samadhi, which is sabhikal samadhi, and get a vision of the Lord of your divine indweller. But through the transparent glass, the mirror of your mind, so you and sabhikal samadhi, as long as the mirror of the mind prevails the glass. Once you break the mirror of the mind, there is no support and nothing to hold on. Then you transit from sabhikal to Nirvikalpa Samadhi, or in yogic Palance, as we say, from sampradnath to Asam Pradnya Samadhi. Sampradyat means having knowledge of everything in the world, all that there is, is me, the birds, the bees, the sky, the trees, the plant, the leaves. I vibrate in everything in creation. But when you go beyond all of this is me. That is the last and final state of the mind, last and final state of the cosmic ego, when that evolves. And you know that even the state of all that there is, is me, is but a very, very, very fine film of matter. When the last veil is removed, you enter from sampradnath to a sampradnyat samadhi, the Samadhi beyond human knowledge and mind, pure consciousness, which we know as God Paramatma Ishwar, or the reality, as I call it, the reality I have described you to you The Soul, that it is a thought free state of tranquil awareness. The description in common man's language of the paramatma Supreme Spirit or God, is that it is an all pervading consciousness of stillness through eternity, composed of nothing yet, of which all else is sure, composed, it stands supreme beyond all dreams, eternally reposed this world our sages did perceive. These are some poems I made to make people understand and describe God in other rather than say the word god, somebody told me to say God without describe God, without saying God. So I said, that's not very difficult. This world our sages did perceive as mind stuff materialize in relative sequence. It is built deceiving mortal eyes. This is Maya, all that is composed. They knew all that is composed, they knew must get decomposed. Where then does reality lie? All matter being composed, that means I have eliminated all matter and creation with a stroke of the pen of my realization, all that is composed must get decomposed. Where then does reality lie? All matter being composed? Then I go on to say that all pervading consciousness of stillness through eternity, composed of nothing yet, of which all else is sure. Composed, it stands supreme beyond all dreams, eternally reposed.

Alex Ferrari 10:51
Yogi Raj, when you, when I was reading up on you, I learned that you became, is it enlightened or self realized at three years old. Or am I, or am I misreading that? When did you understand who you were and what your mission was, when you to come on this earth?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 11:10
I was born in a certain state. Call it a normal state. Call it enlightenment, call it a partial enlightenment. I started becoming aware of this at the age of three, when I used to sit long hours with my grandfather and lose consciousness, Lose My Mind and awaken in consciousness, but I did not know that this is enlightenment, because for me, it was a very normal state, a natural state every time I meet, till this very day, when people tell me we are feeling the impact of your transmission, our schizophrenia is cured. You appeared to me in a dream. I was having a dream, and I thought I was in a state of Samadhi. You wiped that state away and brought me to an absolute state of essential non being. And then I knew so their experience of me gave me as the through the passage of time to know that I am coming to a state of enlightenment, because I was very cautious not to declare myself as enlightened, or even say the word For fear of the ego interrupting your ego, my ego, because the ego never it always lies dormant. It's a very tricky thing, the ego, and it can arise anytime. So I never proclaimed or said that I'm enlightened. There was no reason to say so. I had good friends. I was roaming and behaving with others, as a normal guy, you know, cracking my jokes, having my I was in a public school, had good boxing bouts, ran my marathons and did well in class. I used to get a third division. I didn't know why. I didn't understand mathematics or trigonometry. It was alien to me, and I was known as a laggard and a person who was a dreamer, because I used to look out of the window and see the nightingale on the tree outside and become one with it. I used to be wrapped in that awareness. 30 years later, I came to know that as a boy of 12 to 15, I was going to through a state of the samyam of sabhikalpa samadhi, a state of samyam where the subject and object become one. But in school, they have no such inner education of yogic lifestyle. So they called me a dreamer and a laggard, even, even in India, where it was the birthplace of this but it was an English public school. I was educated in Sherwood College, in an English public school in any town. Got it Okay, so that's why, and and a lot of the cream, the creme de la creme of India came out of the school field. Marshal maniksha was from there. General Bakshi was from there, and not the one on the TV, another one. Then there was Anita Bucha, the great actor, so Kabir Bedi, all these luminaries came from there. And sitting amongst them, I was quite a laggard, because I was going into states beyond mind. My subject was beyond mind. My school taught me about mind. I was not about mind, because from my birth, I was born in that state, so I was a misfit. But I I, I slowly fit in. I'm still in. I. Are in contact with my my college friends. They're all these big made generals and all this, and we still talk together, still in connection. But that time, I got through it, and then after that, my schooling, I went to the Himalayas, and my my schooling and learning and meditations in yoga began. I went through it very fast, because it was a recapitulation of all my past lives. And I quickly went through the stages of Dhyan, Dharana, you know, shabal samadhi, then to Nirvikalpa Samadhi. And I came to know, but who will I tell it to? And if I tell it to them, will they understand? Will they believe you? It's not a question. I don't care whether they believe me or not. I'm reveling in my own inner purity, fair enough, the essential non being, because I know that behind the fragmented space time events of creation lies the all pervading awareness of reality.

Alex Ferrari 16:15
Guru Nath, one thing I want to ask you is so much is been said of the yogic path, the Enlightened path, from Buddha, who found enlightenment under the tree. There has been a very over the years, over over millennia, this kind of romanticizing of enlightenment, that once you get there, you're enlightened all the time, and you kind of live above the world. You live in it, but above it. But yet what you're explaining is like I felt the enlightenment. I understood where I was. I understood that I came in in this way, and kind of rediscovered what I was doing. But you had boxing matches, you have friends, you went to college.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 17:03
This was, this was the first stages during my unfoldment, when a yogi is reborn, he's reborn into two houses, in either the house of a pious and wealthy person, or in the house of a pious Brahmin family. I was born into the house a royal family, aristocracy of the Gwalior families. We're connected, and we are the nobility of Gwalior. And I had all the facilities at my proposal, big halls, rooms to meditate, silent places to meditate. But when you are reborn, you recapitulate all what you have done in your past, and then you come to your present. So you go back in time, like in your last life. If you're a painter, you start doing painting. If you loved horse riding, which I did we you do horse riding, then you compose poetry, like I'm composing poetry spontaneously. But after you get over that, you get to your own original state, your inner being. Who is the enlightened being? There's a simple explanation for enlightenment. In Patanjali, in one word, it is said, freedom from thought is enlightenment. So simple, but yet not so simple, very true, he has said, Chitta Vritti nirodah, when all the chitta, that means your intellect, your ego and your mind, when they are all subdued and silent, when you have totally transformed them and overcome them into a state of pure consciousness. That means, when you transit from Divine Mind, divine mind is a state of chanting, devotion, bhakti, doing philosophic things, chanting in groups, meditating, having lower states of Samadhi, like having a vision of Krishna. This is all the first stage of mind, but when you get to divine consciousness, there is nothing to rest that pure consciousness. There is nothing but a vast expanse which is beyond mind and beyond comprehension. Those who tell it know it not, and those who know it tell it not. But we can always give pointers, which I'm giving to that state. And now the state is where I'm definitely in a state of my own, and I'm in the society, not over it. I'm like, sort of you. Just cruising over it, floating over it. The whole world is like. It's like, more or less like a dream, if I may say so. So what those people said in the final stages, it is like that. But you can relate, because we have come with a work. We have a work. And our mission, my soul cry. Next level of soul is the 11th commandment which I am telling you about now. This is the next level of soul that I am talking to you right now, if Earth Peace is to herald the dawn of the new age, we must all realize humanity is our uniting religion, breath our uniting prayer and consciousness are uniting God. This is the 11th commandment of my organization called the Siddhanath Yoga Parampara. Then we have for the people certain saints, what their work should be, which is an appendix of the 11th commandment. I say we the Hamsa hamsa means the soul, the swan, the psyche. We the souls we the hamsas are meditated to the furthering of human awareness and we the hamsas are dedicated to new life, awakening for earth, Peace through self, peace and we the hamsas are devoted to serving humanity as our larger self. All this is the standing platform of the siddhanath, yog parampara, and this is the 11th commandment for the new age.

Alex Ferrari 22:19
This new age that you're speaking of is that what we are all going through as humanity right now, this kind of upheaval, this kind of chaos, everyone seems to be awakening. More and more, these conversations are not in Himalayan cave anymore. Now they're going to be broadcast to millions.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 22:34
They have to it is said that three to 400 years ago hence, at the time when Leo and Aquarius in opposition to one another, they should appear the Kalki of Dhar. But through the great being, this being is called the nameless one. He is called the non being essentiality. And he is called he about whom not may be said. And he is called simply, Shiv Goraksha Babaji. This Shiv Goraksha Babaji for short, is called Babaji, and he by his intense, concentrated, his concentrated mind, by his intense concentration, has accelerated the yugas and brought upon us, in the very new future, the Satya Yuga. The Kalki yoga is upon us. The Kalki yoga is we are passing through and now at the same time, the Kalki Yoga will be over soon, because, as Sri Yukteswar said, we are in the dwapar. There are cycles within cycles. Within the Kalki is a Treta. Within the Treta is the dwapar. Within the Dwapara is a satyug. So time for the Satyug is to come the minor Satyug within the major dwapar. And this and the so the super Kalki. So it's all mathematical calculations, wheel within wheel, the Kalki is already born, and in eight years, during which there will be a lot of wars, emotional upheavals and turmoil amongst societies, chaos. But I personally feel there will not be a world war, but there will be a world war like situations, not one situation more situations, which you can see now, right? But the world is wise enough not to connect and create a world war.

Alex Ferrari 24:47
So there'll be a lot a little, little wars,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 24:50
Like big wars. Ukraine is a big war, right? Israel, Iran may erupt or just fizzle. Be a damn squid may fizzle out into it, into a treaty. Okay, but let us see. By 2032 it is said that this young boy, Kalki, at the age of 25 to 28 will declare this Satya yoga, the Golden Age.

Alex Ferrari 25:14
Who's this boy?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 25:16
In eight years?

Alex Ferrari 25:18
Is he alive now? Yes, he is alive now,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 25:21
Yes, this is what is said. People have seen this boy. I have personally not seen him, but there is no harm to wish and to think positive. Sure, if we think positive, let's pray that he is there and he will help. He will help guide us, and he even 2032, after all this upheaval has come to rest, and the Gunas are more or less balanced. That means he's already working in the turmoil. Then he will declare the Satya yoga in 2032

Alex Ferrari 25:52
I've heard that from others as well. Seven years

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 25:56
There are the group of the Mahaprabhu Chaitanya and of the Krishna group who have prophesied this. And 9 12, 2032 would be a declaration of the beginning of the Satyug without world has to phase out.

Alex Ferrari 26:16
So after 2032 that's when things start to improve. Improve. Smooth things out a little bit.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 26:22
Smooth things out, and they will be done in a surreal manner. Not miraculous. Almost miraculous results will take place positively. Almost miraculous things are happening even now, the decapitation and the elimination of certain heads of certain terrorist organizations are just going and it's just in a flash. We don't even know

Alex Ferrari 26:48
Things are changing. Things are changing, but these next seven years are going to be a little bit bumpy.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 26:53
They will be bumpy, and they will be for but the bumpiness will tend towards a settlement, a quiet and a peace, which the prophets, they prophesy that by 1932 it will begin on the upward climb to Satya yoga, 2032, 2032 2032 2032 okay, is the crucial age. We people are also working. Since I sit here before you, I have my own work of teaching people kriya yoga. I do not know whether it is appropriate for me to declare what I do on this in this public standing, but I am a worker amongst waka. We will be working with and alongside the divine Kalki that's coming. Our work is more internal. We work with the inner government of the world, which people here call the white Lodge, of which the Ascended Masters are a part. And I can, yes, we work as we beat them all the time, but I will appear to you sometime when in your silence or in your dream, and you will know who you have been interviewing and all that. But that's a that's a surreal story. Let's take it as a big joke until I come to you. But these people have to make themselves whoever they are. Maybe there are others like me. There's this, the gentleman, Kalki. They have to reveal themselves. And not only that, they have to show themselves by their work, right? Not by the words, but not by the words you want to raise the dead, Lazarus, take up thy bed and walk. Yeah, you have to say that these will be people with power like that. Interesting. And we yogis have been taught not to give people the menu, give them the food, give them the experience. And those who are ready for it, I am there to give it to them. I guide them physically. I guide them astrally, coming in their dreams, no harm. If we are helping a good cause, whatever the religious caste or creed humanity is our uniting religion, breath are uniting prayer that is giving kriya yoga and consciousness are uniting God. I give them the experience of a thought free state of tranquil awareness, also

Alex Ferrari 29:16
Gurunath I have to ask you, you know, one of the big parts of your story on this earth and in this incarnation is meeting Babaji. Can you please tell everybody what that experience was like when he came to you, and how did it change your life?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 29:33
If they sit with me in a silent room instead of telling them, I can give them an experience of how I felt when I met Babaji. This is a state of Samadhi which is beyond mind. And how can I, with the mind, relate to you something which is beyond the mind? I can so it was very nice. The sun was setting. And I was on the slopes of the drone Giri Parvat, and as I turned around from the skies and I heard, I saw the setting sun, it went behind the clouds, and then suddenly the clouds were removed, and the sun, the evening twilight sun, shone in a beautiful ochre orange, casting its lengthening shadows. And I said, Ah, the light has come. And a voice in the firmament answered, indeed. And then I was lying on my back. Then I turned around onto my stomach and prostrated, and I said, Who art thou and the non being? Essentiality, Shiv, goraksha, Babaji said that which thou thinkest me to be, that I am to thee, I air, I share, I air, I am, that I am. This is a short glimpse. I can't explain the deeper experiences because there are no words. I've done my feeble attempt in my documentary film, the wings to freedom. But it doesn't justify the experience which I had.

Alex Ferrari 31:26
You were crying in that I remember watching that you teared up when you were it

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 31:30
That was a very important cave, one of the caves where I had met him. But yes, you cannot hold the voltage of the being. This being is so powerful. I was the first one to give a most definitive experience of Babaji, a thick book which I've written called the lightning standing still when Yogananda was born. His parents, Bhagavati, Charan Ghosh and his mother, used to visit a temple regularly. They were situated in the time of in the in the city and town of Gorakhpur, there was a temple of Gorakhnath. It's still there which Yogi Adityanath has, where they used to meditate fervently and ask for a child. And their first child was born to them in majeda. It's mentioned, I think they named him after Gorakhnath. They called him Gora, Gora, so Gorakhnath, then the second child was born. He Babaji had mentioned formally and Sri Yukteswar had also known that a child and a disciple would come who would be like a big steam engine and take 1000s of people in America to liberty and liberation and moksha, which he has done. And after that, he told his master in incinerators, look, Master, I am here by your grace, but you are in your little room over there, meditating in serampore at your Ashram, or Jagannath Puri, and look at me in the air. That moment, the face of Sri Yukteswar filled the skies, and he said, My son, you are watching it from Planet Earth. I'm watching it from all space. I'm watching I'm enjoying the freedom of all space. So these masters are ever alive and moving around, and you will get to know them soon, continuing this that Sri Yogananda was given this when Yogananda was a little boy, people ask me, Why do you call Babaji Shiv Goraksha Babaji? This is why I'm explaining why his parents were at Gorakhpur. Their eldest son's name was Gorakh the second son who was born one day in a party. He got lost as a little boy, seven year old boy, he went wandering off, and they couldn't find him. And then after hours of searching, they found Him in the temple of gorakshanath, deeply lost in Shiva.Goraksha Babaji's meditation whom, the whom the world popularly knows as Babaji, because Yogananda, his book has written, I could have written of many more experiences, but Baba Ji has prevented me to reveal the whole truth, which today, perhaps I'm revealing a little more. The other side of the story, which was not revealed by Yogananda, is revealed in my book, Babaji, the lightning standing still. Do read it, because if you haven't read that in relation to Baba. Baji, you've read nothing. So they found Him in the temple of Gorakhpur. At Gorakhnath temple, they brought him and brought him up. So this is a very interesting story that throughout the mystique of Babaji, has never known who is Babaji? Does he have the name is he Shiva? When Shiva, Gorakshanath, burst from the heart of Shiva at the beginning of time and then appeared at every time. I'm talking about the person you know as Babaji. And every world cycle he comes in one of the world cycles, macchandranath was praying deeply for a disciple better than him. Then he went to the Himalayas and Shiva appeared. He asked, Lord Shiva, please give me a disciple better than me. Shiva told him, You are already enlightened. You've reached the goal. You can't get that. So he said, still, I want a disciple better than me. And when he clearing this more goraksanath, you see, so when he asked for a disciple greater than Him, then Shiva said, I must come as your disciple. And Shiva came as gorakshanath, and the same gorakshanath throughout the ages as being born and remaining eternally born is Shiv Goraksha Babaji is given in my book The lightning standing still. Do read this book.

Alex Ferrari 36:40
I plan to, I plan to what was the first teaching, or the most important teaching, if there is one that Babaji gave you, to give to the world,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 36:54
It was in my past life, I was already teaching kriya yoga with some of the people here, and it's not proper to reveal everything. It says you have to approach in a humble way and let the people realize, let it. There's no point me talking and yapping and giving the menu of talk. Let me give you the meal, and then you decide for yourself. But I can give you this much that I was teaching Kriya Yoga in my past life, blessed directly by Babaji himself. No harm in saying that, because I will give you the pudding. The proof lies in the pudding. So I'm ready. I have no skeletons in my cupboard, no reservations. It's like a child. You come to me, sit in front of me, take the kriya yoga. Take the experience. Don't like it. You go away like it. You can come and stay. But we are not concerned about the physical body and physical happenings in this world, so much as we are concerned about the inner soul which can never die. Like Lord Sri Krishna said in his Gita, why are you grieving over bodies which have died? It's all me who's died in the battlefield. It's all me. And he said, You Arjun, can never die. You are the immortal soul. Nayanam, chandate, shastrani, nainam dehati, paava ka nakedanti, apana shoshiyati Maruta, the breeze cannot dry me. The water cannot wet me, the fire cannot burn me. I am the immortal Atma, the soul, and that is this immortal atma which is shrouded and clouded by the Veil of Maya, the illusion that is the great illusion. And it is not the soul that is liberated or in bondage. It is not the atma. It is the buddhi, or the intuition, which is swayed by Satan, the aham, the ego is the Satan. Intellect to intuition is the buddhi, which is the feminine part of nature. She is taken to believe that she is the doer of everything. Maya does everything. But when, through practice of yoga, she gets out of the delusion, she finds that the Lord is the doer, the naked singularity, the one and only eternity. So it is not duality that runs creation. It is the singularity. It is not plurality, it is reality. So the purpose of yoga is to get from duality to singularity. Let me tell you one thing before, because it's a complex question. It's not the next level of the Soul. It is the next next level of the Soul. But let me say it before it's missed out. We call God Paramatma. Parama. Atma is both at once. Paramatma both at once empowers creation and is inherent and eminent in creation as the atma. So the paramatma empowers creation, and the atma in creation receives that empowerment is inherent as the soul of every living being in creation. Now sandwiched between the Atma and the Paramatma is the ego Mano buddhi and Aham car. It's a, it's a club sandwich, not a Sindhi, because it is paramatma, the bread of life and the livingness is the atma. And within this is the, is the game of Maya, which is the chitta, which is composed of the three layered club sandwich of intuition, that is intellect, ego and the lower mind. Now these sandwiches, if the soul, which is within the creation has to go to the paramatma, which is beyond the creation, the atma must eat the sandwich of creation with great care, or the buddhi must eat it for the atma. The atma will be ever present, and every bite that the buddhi will take in assistance with the Atma, because you get an empowerment from here. And within your soul is a corresponding empowerment to God. Sandwiched in between is the ego. So when you eat the ego, when you do things, I did this, I won the tennis match. I'm the greatest boxer on Earth. I'm the best tennis player. The i has to be a claim. But Sri Krishna says, and so does Shiv Goraksha Babaji, that every thought, word and deed you do you dedicate at the lotus feet of a liberated master, the Supreme Master, Shiva, goraksha, Babaji, and then you will create no karma. The ego will not stick onto you and make you reincarnate with an unfulfilled desire. That unfulfilled that stickiness of the ego's desire, the unfulfilled desires will be dissolved by your offering your Ishwar pranidhan. When you offer your body, mind and soul completely to the Lord God and to the Sadguru, then you create no new karma that is called a karma, non karma.

Alex Ferrari 42:40
So one thing you said there that I wanted to kind of dig into a little bit is that we are not liberating the soul. There is a idea in the world that that the soul is trapped here, that we are trapped in this incarnation, and that we are trapped in this circle of reincarnation, constantly that we're like always trapped and trapped, and we're trying to liberate ourselves. And when we find enlightenment or self realization, we are free. But what you just said is the soul is not what you're liberating. No, what is what are we liberating when we find enlightenment?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 43:18
We are liberating the intuition, the subtlest part of the intuition, which is called buddhi, Atma, buddhi and Manas. Now the subtlest part which is liberated is like, you know what? We go into battle. The buddhi fights the battle for the king. The king is sitting on his throne. He doesn't he does nothing. He's observing because of his presence. He is giving the power for the for the intellect, intuition, to fight the battle. And just as the king has not won the battle the ego and the king, when you conquer the ego and you conquer your own intuition and the ego, you give the credits of the victory to the king, so also the Buddhi. When it is liberated, it says, The soul is liberated. He is liberated and he is bound. But the soul cannot be liberated, nor bound. I'll give you an example, please. It's like the moon. The moon is in the sky. That is the atma the soul, the reflection of the soul, is the buddhi with the waters, the turbulence, which is, which are the dynamic rajasic ego. So all the while, you feel that the soul is trapped, because the buddhi takes on the form of the soul, and find it is disturbed by many thoughts, sexual thoughts, angry thoughts. This because the moon is there, unaffected, but the reflection of the moon appears to be caught the reflection of the soul. That reflection of the soul is not the soul, but it is the intellect or the intuition which appears to be the soul. And when the soul by yoga practice. Thoughts, quells the freedom, and gets the freedom from the mind, quells the thoughts, and it finds itself as still as its master above. Then it realizes its folly, that it was not the doer of all these worldly actions, but the doer is there. And that moment it realizes it goes into the atma. So the intellect, the buddhi, is one with the Atma, Shiva. Shakti merges into Shiva.

Alex Ferrari 45:28
That is the most beautiful explanation I've ever heard of what the soul is. And just so I'm clear, and for everyone watching, it's clear, I'm just going to repeat and try to interpret what you just said, that the moon itself is the soul.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 45:41
Yes, this is a metaphor. I'd give you an example.

Alex Ferrari 45:44
I love metaphors. Yes, I'm a storyteller, so I loved telling stories and metaphors are amazing. So the moon is the soul, the ocean

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 45:56
Is, is the is, this is the is the stuff the mind stuff of Maya, correct? So this called mind stuff.

Alex Ferrari 46:05
So it's the illusion. So the ocean that is reflecting, the reflection of the moon has all these waves, all this stuff. And

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 46:13
Because of the rajasic and dynamic nature of ego, which is Rajo gun, which is Pran, the rajogun, the dynamic nature sattva gun in Maya, prakriti and Maya and delusion of the of the cosmic mind. There is the intellect, which is sattva gun, then the that is the buddhi, then there is the ego, which is rajogun, and then there is Manas, which is the typewriter, no brains of its own. Is just typing down what the buddhi and the ego do. The ego, with its power of prana, whips up the waves of emotion in the mind's Lake. That is the rajasic gun. And you cannot give it. I have realized this. I've been through this. So I'm giving the example. And when, by the practice of prana itself. You take a thorn to take the thorn out, you take the prana to use the prana. Prana is the one that disturbs. Prana is the one that disturbs you in creation and binds you to Maya, and prana is the one that can relieve you from Maya. Praani, bandhan, kartha hain, or prani mukti Datta Hai, Atma Rupi Paramatma hai. Praan Rupi Paramatma Jago, dedo. Ha, me moksha.

Alex Ferrari 47:27
So that's so beautiful. So when you're when with the with the waves, the waves of the ocean are the mind, the ego, and that's the delusion. But when you meditate and calm the mind. That's when the waters settle. When the waters settle to a point.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 47:47
Do you know how to calm the mind? Yeah, the breath disturbs the mind. You use the very breath to calm the mind with the breath that disturbs that very breath calms the mind. That is the linchpin of yoga at its initial stage, and the linchpin of yoga at its final stage is yoga has Samadhi. It's yoga. You can call it yoga Samadhi, or God or Babaji.

Alex Ferrari 48:15
So breath is the key. It's the linchpin to cause key the first

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 48:20
There are many keys and many locks. Each body has a key and a lock, and with that particular key, or that which you called a technique, the type of samadhis, these are the keys. You see, they have many keys, Dharana Dhyan, samadhi, divided into vitarka Samadhi, the key of reasoning. Next comes the which are Samadhi, the key of meditation. So it's a trance meditation, not this. The lower meditation, after which are is Ananda, Samadhi. So that is the Samadhi of joy and bliss. So reasoning, contemplation, or meditation, bliss is the third one, and the last one is asmith Samadhi. Asmith samadhi, where is the highest stage of sabhikal samadhi, where you realize that all that there is, all that there is, is me from that you get to the final stage, where you realize sir Smith Samadhi, where you think that you are the whole creation is love and light, and you are aware of everything going on in creation. But when you go to a higher stage, beyond the divine mind, this divine mind into divine consciousness, from sabhikar to nirvikar samadhi. Then you take out that when you keep meditating and sad visions of Krishna and Ram and everyone and are very holy, and you can see God in the burning bush and all these things, when you see through that and realize that even this the state of. Existence, consciousness and bliss, even this is a very fine film of mind and matter. And when you can see through this and you reject that, then the final veil of the great delusion is unveiled, cast off, and then is the solitary singularity about which nobody knows anything, nobody can say anything. We can only experience it.

Alex Ferrari 50:36
Gurunath, let me ask you, when you find this, when you are at the stage that you just explained, and you haven't died, you haven't moved on, you haven't transitioned, and you come back to live amongst

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 50:50
No, I have died and moved on. The body is just my vehicle. Is just a facility. Somebody buys a Chevrolet, somebody buys a Mercedes, right? You just choose a body and come I know what is the end of this body. I know that I'm going to lead it. I know I have to keep it super fit to be able to serve humanity as my larger self. Humanity is also my larger self in the vaster cosmic scenario, in the individual scenario, I have been cut clean of all desires and thoughts, but in a in a world scenario, in a cosmic scenario, means how much have you cut off from creation? And some people who have cut off totally are sent back by high command. That is the real the non being essentiality. I call Babaji, the non being essentiality. Babaji is the isness of the zero, not zero.

Alex Ferrari 51:44
What does that mean?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 51:45
He is the being. That's what I'm saying. They are so mighty in their expanse and their state of realization that words fall beggly. I mean, we are with a begging bowl of words with a few coins you want us to construct the splendor of Babaji? Impossible. Fair enough. Fair enough. One question I have to ask you, know, I'm going to tell you an experience I had. I had the pleasure of going to Mount Washington to Yogananda ashram. Yes, that's where in Mount Washington in California, Mount Washington in California. That's where the he's his Samadhi is built there. Yes, yes, yes, yes. First he was in the in that crypt, yes, and he was taken out. And now grant Glory be to yoganandaji.

Alex Ferrari 52:30
So when I went, I was given the honor of actually going to his room where he lived, that they haven't touched since he has transitioned. And we walked in once through, the brother who was walking me, walked me through, and I would feel, I felt the second I started even walking towards the room, I started to feel the energy. And when I walked in the room, I start to really understand what was happening. But then I got I asked them, can I meditate here for five minutes, and he's like, Sure. And I sat at the at the edge of yogananda's bed and touched his shoes, his his slippers, and I started to meditate. And guruna, I cannot explain to you what happened. I went into a deep meditation like that. Like, I mean, I'd never, it takes me a minute when I meditate, to get in, like, to go down. I was there like that. And the funny thing is, I started seeing things coming in, and I started to,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 53:32
You know, something, yeah, why your mind went into that? Why? Because you were prepared for it. You were wanting it. Yes. Do you know why your mind is not going into that. Why? Because you have changed the compartment. You have come into your intellectual compartment. You're interviewing a yogi who you don't know from Adams, and therefore you are not ready. But it can happen right here at the table. Sure, there are hundreds of people who have had experiences, and that is the work of the master. Sri Yukteswar gave it. Lahiri Mahasaya gave it. All true masters. You see the litmus test of the master. There are three litmus tests, but one of them is when you see him. He is not a physical body. He is a congealed soul. What does that mean? He is a frozen soul taken form for you to grasp. If I came in just an awareness, you wouldn't be able to see me. So when he comes as a congealed soul, you grasp him, and he is able to teach you the mind is coming in the way of the experience and to interview me, you have to use mind, otherwise you cannot interview me. So I would suggest that, are you when you have put your mind to rest, or I have put your mind to rest, then you can come and we can have some sessions together, and I'm having three sessions. Here in the United States. First session I'm having is at Mount Madonna. They've called me. There was a yogi there called Swami Ram Ram Swami, I think. Then the next one is at Oxnard, and the third one I've had, the first one at Asheville. Second is Mount Madonna. So you're welcome to send your people or come appreciate Of course, we can't do much in an interview because the frame of mind. We are framed in the frame of mind. In order to get the experience, we got to break the frame of mind. The moment you break the frame of the mind, you get into consciousness and experience is all yours.

Alex Ferrari 55:45
Well, I'll tell you what Gurunath as we're having this conversation, I'm already feeling certain things.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 55:54
You're an energy feeler. You can feel it now also. You can feel the energy between a normal person and a yogi. Of course, you're sensitive to that,

Alex Ferrari 56:01
Yeah, but I feel it. But I feel it as as when you walked in, yes, yes, and as the deeper as we're talking,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 56:07
That's what I've been the mind of a professional person, is, this is a sacred secret. So after one hour, you have opened up and admitted it on the phone, that the moment you walked in, this radiation and feeling was there, sure, and and you said, hey, no menu today, boys, only food.

Alex Ferrari 56:28
The chef is bringing, the chef is bringing the food out. You're just gonna eat.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 56:34
But you insisted on talking about the menu because of all the people who want to hear,

Alex Ferrari 56:38
Well, yeah, because we can't, we can't broadcast the food,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 56:41
But, but I described the menu. I told you how to eat the sandwich of the ego. Yeah, by surrendering it to the Lord, and then you create no new karma.

Alex Ferrari 56:51
So when you came into this life, did you have karma?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 56:54
Let me tell you. Let me not talk about myself, because then that will tend to be egotistical, fair enough. And I'm just a Josmo. I like to crack dirty jokes. I like to enjoy myself. I like to have great good fun with my grandchildren. But when I go deep, I really go. So question is, there are two, three types of people, the first people who are normal people, incarnate with their own karma, and they have to go through the good and bad of it. Some people, they incarnate with partially their own karma and partially take on the karma of their disciples. And the third type of people are those people who incarnate with no karma of their own, but they choose to take on the karma of their disciples, or, as in the case of Lahiri Mahasaya Babaji during Lahiri mahasa as incarnation as bhartarinath, when Babaji was gorakshanath, bharatari went into battle. He was told that he died in battle, so his queen, Pingala Rani, went into the funeral fire as a true Sati, a true Indian lady, she committed Johar, not sati. When bhartari came, he started crying, oh, my queen is gone. My queen is gone. Babaji happened to be passing through, that boy that's in my book, The lightning standing still. This example, he happened to be passing by. And he said he sat by the King bhartari, he also he took his bowl, mud bowl. He broke it. Bhartiri was crying for his queen. He was crying for the broken bowl. Oh, Bharti said, Hey, Yogi, are you crazy? It's just a earthen pot. That's not you. It's just the shell of this thing. So Babaji told bhartarinath. He said, Yes, Yogi, similarly, the queen that has died is just the shell her Atma, her soul is immortal, so don't cry for that which is not worth crying for. Then he said, No, no, I want to see her. He said, Okay, Get me water. So Baba Ji got over Shiv goraksha Babaji got our water. He sprinkled it on the dead body, and 100 Queens appeared before bhartarinath, who was Lahiri Mahasaya in his past life. I'll tell you why, because I've researched this and experienced it. He there was another person, but I won't talk much about Vikramaditya, his brother. So when he got this, he said, Now choose your wife. So he said, I can't. They're all alike. He said, This is Maya. Then he sprinkled again, original. I. Maharani Pingala was there. He spoke to her and beseeched her to stay back. She said, no karma has happened. I have to move on, but I will be meeting you again. And she moved on. Shed will be meeting you again. So this desire Babaji kept in the mind of this great, lofty yogi, yogata, Lahari mahasayas escape velocity was so powerful that he would escape even the event horizon and the escape velocity of all delusion, had Babaji not kept him down with this desire of seeing Pingala again? That first desire was planted in his mind. The second desire was planted in his mind when he said, Now I will initiate you a mysterious being, Vikramaditya, who about whom I will not detail or talk about, because that will lead to a whole new, shocking chapter. He led him up. He led Baba Ji to the throne, and he sat there with the scepter of life and death in his hands, the great king of kings, the Lord of all lords, Babaji, is the collective Elohim of the angelic hierarchy of the heavenly host, the Master of Masters, and not an Ascended Master, but perpetually descended, so that the whole of creation may be ascended by his descent interesting. So he sat there, and he said, Lahiri, I will give you initiation. Initiated him, and he got down from the throne, and he went back. Then, the desire for being in the palace remained in bhartiris mind. Am I right when it remained in bhartiris mind in the next life, Babaji designed a golden palace in the Himalayas by his kriya shakti, Gyan Shakti and Echa Shakti. That was the palace that he desired in his past life as the Nath yogi. Bharatari Nath, okay, he had the same seed, a serific being came. Babaji came. He went to the throne. The scepter of life and death in his hands is mentioned in Autobiography of a Yogi. But the other link is not mentioned, which I provided in my book lightning standing still, that fills the other gap so and he said, Lahiri fail, the Emeralds feel the rubies in the palace fulfill your past life's desires, which were not your own, but I kept so that you can reincarnate on Earth to hold you down your escape velocity. So these yogis are totally free, but they are kept down by the choice of their masters, or they choose some karma on their own. So Lahiri was required, and then after that, when he went, he was already married to Kashi Muni. The first desire, married to Kashi Muni, he was Marani Pingala. The second desire is seeing the palace which he took away from him in his past life. And he went as a as a Nath Yogi in the forest with gorakshanath. So this is the our ascended masters here. No Nath ke no rang hain. They are the nine colors of the nine naths, or masters. So beautiful. I hope I'm not giving out more than I'm supposed to. I'm going to be flooded with questions now. These are the two that proves Lahiri Mahasaya was bhartiri in his past life, the desire for his queen fulfilled as a married Yogi in this life, householder yogi, which they want everybody to be, Baba Ji, a householder yogi. I am a householder yogi. I was destined to be by the grace and glory of Babaji. The second one is the palace materialized. So this is, this is the thing which I am linking up as to these great they would be greater than Ascended Masters. We would they would be descended masters. The descended master is the Avtar.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:09
One of the other things that Yogananda spoke a lot about in Autobiography of yogi was the introduction of at least to the west of the yogic powers, the levitation, the bio location, manifestation and all this kind of thing. From what I understand in my research and studies is that those powers, the yogic powers, could be traps in the tray, in the in the in the path or the journey of enlightenment.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:04:37
They are not traps at all.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:38
Tell me explain

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:04:39
They are not traps at all. Okay, it is your weakness or your distracted mind may be misled, you know, like Little Red Riding Hood in the books, picking up apples and flowers and buttercups and daisies. Yeah. So these siddhis have so much powers that, first, as a possibility of an ego to arise in you, right? And second. Only for you to use these siddhis and to misuse them, not that you will be there are people who've used their siddhis and they have not fallen into the trap. There are people who have used these siddhis and not been tempted or distracted along the path. And there are people who have misused siddhis also. So they say best is to keep away from it, because, according to me, don't use the siddhis and pray to them and go with folded hands in front of your siddhis. You attain to that state of the Paran Mukta, Jeevan mukt and Paran mukt that the siddhis come folded hands before you and say, Master, tell us what to do. These siddhis were used. Babaji didn't use them. They were at his beck and call at his service. So the siddhis must come to you then they are used. There'll be no temptation of a fall, because you've no desire for them at all. You've bypassed them by miles. Totally. Avdoot, you have disconnected. So that's why they say when when you're practicing, when you're ascending, don't use them when you've descended. They come as your maids and staff servers, and they do it without you knowing also they do your work.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:22
Gurunath, as as the world is becoming a little bit more chaotic nowadays, in these next seven years, as we talked about, we're going to be a little rocky. A lot of people are fearful of what's happening, the institutions that are crumbling around us, wars, economic, drive, food, media, all these things are changing, and they're very fearful. What advice do you have for people who are fearful?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:06:45
My advice to the fearful people is, don't be fearful. Be do full. Get up and do. And if you can't do, don't be fearful. Engage in some sort of an activity which will go towards the bringing about of peace on earth, whether it's sitting alone in your room and meditating and Kriya Yoga, whether it's sitting alone and you know, praying for earth peace, whether it's joining some peace organizations. If you are in diplomatic circles, do go ahead. Do meet heads of state. Have conclaves and conferences where you can, you can tell them and convince them, which I said in one of my talks, earth peace shall not come about by United Nations Organization. Earth peace shall come about by United minds organization, not by uno, but by umo and this can be done by actively pass it, participating in peace gatherings. Go for it, no matter how small. Give it a try. Don't be pessimistic. Oh, it's a small thing. It's not going to affect. It is. And let me tell you, one good thought and meditation has a ripple effect. Like in a still pond of the world, you throw one pebble, it has a ripple effect on the whole pond. So one good thought will have a ripple effect on the whole of humanity. Therefore, I tell them to do a technique I have given, besides Kriya Yoga, called the Earth Peace meditations, where they let explode from their hearts. 8 billion, 70 million. Swans, 70 million. That's each soul and humanity. Let the let these missiles of peace explode in the hearts of humanity, and put your hand in a circle of Oh. Spread Earth Peace through self, peace. That's one of our mission statements devoted to New Life awakening for Earth Peace through self peace.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:52
Why are we as humanity right now awakening more and more to this information, to understand the realities we're breaking Maya more and more now than we have ever been. People are looking searching for this knowledge. Why is that happening now?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:09:07
Natural evolution of different stratas and straits of humanity, which are there, and another expediting process is fear. Fear of death, fear of the unknown, and fear of war. So they make an effort to know what is death, what is after death? How can war be avoided? How can the sufferings of war be mitigated? All these things accumulated contribute to an inner urge to find that elixir which will quench the thirst of all ages.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:52
Can you explain a kundalini awakening?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:09:57
I can give you a kundalini awakening. I. Without the traumatic effects of the Kundalini awakening by techniques of Kriya Yoga. So that you see kundalini awakening is just the process of the divine energy. It's like a volcano. It pushes its energy up. And first what is thrown out of the volcano, magma, Muck. So also, when you when the mark or the negative thoughts are thrown out, you start jumping like a frog, or you start howling like a dog, or you start these are things of your negativity which are thrown out. But I don't, I don't agree to this sudden awakening of Kundalini. It's not with the circadian rhythms of nature. If you want to do it, get it come gradually with no traumatic effect. Do your 12 Mahamudra every day, 24 mahatmudras, 144, kriyas, 108 kriyas. And gradually build the capacity of your mind. And as your mind gets purified, the Kundalini energy, which is the electromagnetic energy in your body, will gradually through a milder name for Kundalini energy is Prana, is breath. The breath turns to prana. Prana turns to kriya yoga. Kriya Yoga turns to Kundalini energy. Kundalini energy turns to sabhikalpa samadhi, and that sabhikal samadhi, the mother then goes into Nirvikalpa Samadhi, or reality. This is called the alchemy of total transformation, and that's with the chakra system, that is the system of yoga Raj Gurunath siddhanath, as he teaches in his siddhanath Yoga Parampara. Fathers, I cannot speak for this. I will give you the menu and the food both at once.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:41
Okay! So when you, when you sit in silence with the divine, what do you pray for, not as a master, but as a soul, what do you pray for for humanity? What is, what are you putting out into the universe, right?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:11:53
I don't pray for humanity. I become humanity. I expand into humanity, and let the Lord God do a double osmosis through me so he knows best what is to be done. Where there is to be war, there will be war. The evil shall be mitigated. Where the suffering are there, suffering shall be eliminated. Some people who deserve a good reward shall get their states of Samadhi. So it's all varied in this varied world of Maya. So let the Lord do it. I myself cannot ask for one simple thing in that in that sitting, I ask, O Lord, what is that thing by which everything will be perfect? And the Lord says, without saying it, I am that thing by which everything will be perfected, that's the best thing to ask for

Alex Ferrari 1:13:02
As a master as you're walking this earth in this incarnation, at the level you're at spiritually, how do you balance in how do you balance living in Maya? How do you balance those two things?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:13:18
The living in Maya was of secondary detail, and I balanced it. Sometimes I didn't balance it, and I couldn't care less.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:27
What do you mean?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:13:29
I balanced my own life. Sometimes I fell with bleeding knees. Sometimes I fell with a broken shoulder. Couldn't care less. But for others, I did care that they all got Kriya Yoga systematically, that they were all moving towards God thing. So my work in this world is not objective. It is subjective. It is helping all my disciples to flower into the likeness of their own being. Which is God?

Alex Ferrari 1:14:01
What is the most misunderstood aspect of Kriya Yoga, or your teachings in general, that people just misunderstand?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:14:11
See, they misunderstand. It is the ego. I think ignorance is coming in the way, and everyone has a right to do what they want. If you want to be a drunkard, go ahead after us telling you you don't listen, then the karmic law will take place. The law is a great teacher. Karma is a great teacher. So we lay before everybody the Kriya Yoga, but no pressure. We force nobody. We tell them that Yoga itself helps you to do what you're doing better. There never has been, nor will be, a time when man's immortal self is. God shall cease to demand his best and foremost attention. And Yoga is the science of the pursuit of this immortal self. There never has been, nor will be a time occur. I think this is right, that there never has been, nor will be a time when man's immortal self shall cease to demand his best and foremost attention. And yoga is the science of this, the pursuit of this immortal self, which makes you realize that you are not a perishable body, but an immortal soul.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:43
If you had one teaching to give humanity before you leave this incarnation, what would it be?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:15:52
Silence.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:56
Why silence?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:16:00
Because hold your silence, stillness, still, for then you'll become divinity will.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:10
In your opinion, how do you balance Free Will versus destiny? So many people are so caught up in I have free will. I can do whatever I want. There's no destiny. There's no one's telling me what to do. Is very egocentric. But we all have a journey. We all have a purpose. We all have a path that we must walk. How we walk it, I feel is, in my opinion, is where the free will comes in. But there are these kind of mile markers throughout life that like, you're going to meet this person, you're going to do this, you're going to do that, but how you get there is up to you. There is up to you. How do you balance the two? What is the difference? It's your definition of it.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:16:52
As a matter of fact, everything is free will, but this free will is bound by your own past actions, which are called Sam scars. Sam scars are past memories. The mass integration of these past memories make you have certain tendencies the sanscars make you lead you to certain thoughts, and those thoughts make you do what you do. So if I have constantly been a carpenter in my past life, the momentum of those past karmas of repeatedly being a carpenter, those impressions which are in my subconscious, of being a carpenter, getting the word sawing, the word making a box, hammering the nails, Done. It 1000s of times, many lives before this. This life will make me a carpenter or the huge boss of Packers and Movers. You know, packing and moving. So your destiny, what action you do, the karma that you do in the present determines what you will be in the past, in the future, when that becomes the past that comes upon you, and you have to fulfill that desire, because all these actions are desire filled. Now, those desires have to be filled. They have to be fulfilled. And therefore, you had a free will in the past, but you molded it such by constantly being a carpenter, that you're a carpenter in this life. You had a free will in the past, but you painted so many 1000s of pictures that when you came in your next birth, the soul incarnated with those past impressions

Alex Ferrari 1:19:05
And skills,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:19:06
The brush and the paint automatically appeared in front of you, and your skills spontaneously went into motion, and you became a great Picasso or a Ravi Varma. So this the Free Will has been there are, there are many free wills of your individual self that as you expand and evolve, there's the spirit of the earth who is a larger part of you that has its own free will. Then there a larger part of you still the inner essence of that larger expansion is called the galaxy that has an informing spirit. And then the supercluster has an informing spirit. And so the whole cosmos has an informing spirit. These informing spirits have vaster and vaster areas of operation. Mission. You may not realize them, but you have to evolve to them. Your consciousness has to expand from your individual consciousness to the consciousness of the Earth, which belongs to the spirit of the earth, to the consciousness of the solar system, to the consciousness of so in that it is you, yourself, your higher self, which formally has laid down those laws of nature, your consciousness only, but you evolving at this particular stage, are free to do what you like, but you have your local standai area. You can shift this table from here to there, you can shift that television set from there to here. You can make changes and do whatever you like. But within the parameters and limits of this room, a bigger being can do whatever he likes in the world. More powerful beings, President of Russia and America, they are more powerful. Their theater of operation is bigger than yours, because their samskaras may have had that authority. So they operate in that area. Then they are bigger inner government of the world's areas. Bigger beings of the inner government of the world, the Ascended Masters. They have a bigger theater of operation. So there is free will, there is free will, but as per your own capacity, you cannot just say, Oh, I have free will. Okay, rain today. Can't say that. But if Lahiri Mahasaya looks up to the sky of Sri Athle says, Let there be rain this evening. They are the masters of the elements. They have acquired those powers and siddhis and those past samskaras, and they can make it rain. So different people have different levels of freedom. The ones that are jumping is the ego. You are free, but your freedom is your who is who is your master, who is your larger self, who is your parent source? Your parent source is the spirit of the earth. So your freedom of Spirit is there within the spirit of the Earth, but limited to the spirit of the earth. That spirit of the Earth has its own domain of freedom of Spirit. So you see, your freedom is guided by the universal laws of this world, of the solar, system of the cosmos. So you are free, in a way, within the limits of your own karma and samskara, and you are bound by the Greater laws of nature that you can't tell the sun to rise at 12 o'clock in the night. That's a bigger freedom which the sun himself can rise and set certain things start happening. With any old Josh Moore saying it, there'll be chaos, and then there'll be prali, destruction of the earth, of course. So your free will is only to your karma and your capacity of your destiny. Destiny is not all for done. Destiny is what you make. You know in your past, which becomes a fixture in the future. Let me give you an example, please. I am a child playing with mud. I let in water, and I say, I'm going to build this like this, with clay, and then turn it to the right, and then turn it again to the left. So I have like this, but I can change it if I want to have the free will. But if I wait overnight, there's no water that clay becomes hardened. Who has done that? Me myself, and me myself. Am bound by my own past karma because of time. Time has hardened your course you have chosen to take this course. It's your free choice, but not at a whim. Freewit is not a knee jerk action. It is an action of past, present and future. Your individual present tells your individual past to each one is allotted his exact and proper task. You say, Gurunath. Why does my waterway flow like this to the right and then to the left? Why can't I change it by my free will? You yourself have made it through your free will, but the passage of time has hardened it, and now you have to obey it. So time is one of the things that hardens the free will also because it is impressed in your mind as that passage of going right and then left, that way, that waterway is made. So you have free will what you do in the past comes to in the present, and you have to strengthen that. If you break it, it will not break. Awake, beautiful, there'll be a disturbance of mind. So So destiny is nothing. But what you have done in the past, what you have done in the past, is your present destiny. What you do in the present will be your future destiny. The doing is called karma. Karma means building of a bridge like this. Once it hardens, you have to go along the line of leases. You can, but with great effort, you can change it, but it will require a great effort. So destiny, you know, and will, they both go, they work in tandem. You used your will to make this roadway in the past. Now that roadway which you used by your free will has become your destiny, but it was your free will in the past which has made it your present destiny.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:48
Let me ask you this. There was an experience I had years ago where I went to Mexico. And in Mexico I went to go visit the pyramids, went to Chichen, Itza, Koba, Tulum, and when I was in Coba, I was there was this big, you know, ancient pyramid there, and people were walking up it. So I was like, Okay, let me walk up it. And I start walking up, you know, the stairs and not looking anywhere else, just looking up. And then about halfway through, I stopped because I got tired. I'm like, let me just rest here for a second. And I turn around, and that's when I discovered that I did not like heights. I was very I was like, Oh my God. I was terrified. I had never felt that in my life. And then I slowly went down all the way down again. But that was the first time I was experienced that like not a terrifying, terrified, paralyzing fear, but a fear that was like, you know, other people could just skydive and do this. I can't. It's not something I'm doing. So then, in a meditation, years later, I'm in my meditation, and I see, I assume me in a past life, being thrown off of that pyramid, very right? Is that? What that was, I was seeing glimpses of, yes, of that.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:27:07
So you must have been thrown from a height, and you had a fear for that height, or maybe even that pyramid. And you know, these fears, they don't arise. There's no chance for them. They can only be tested, and they can only arise when the opportune moment arrives. So the opportune moment is getting to a height. When you got to a height, you found that you had a fear for height, and this is because of your being thrown off in the past life.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:36
So that. So that does happen, yeah. So there's a reason why, for whatever reason, I'm really, I'm really drawn to acoustic guitar. I can't play. I would love to, but I can't. I just don't know how to play it. Or haven't I tried? I couldn't do it. But whenever I hear acoustic guitar in any form, flamenco, you know, just the normal I absolutely am drawn to it. And I have to believe in a former life, I had to do something with that music. I had to be that that had some effect

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:28:09
On that day. You may you may have been connected to this guitar from listening to it from a past life, whether it be in Spain or Spanish. Sure, so the Spanish things attract you also a lot. Oh yes, they do. They Spanish because you have been a Spanish person in one of your past lives where you were in a musical band, in that musical but besides one instrument, you must be attracted to other instruments at well, or wanting to play some other instruments,

Alex Ferrari 1:28:41
But yet I have no I have no talent. You have no talent, not in this life, not for that.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:28:46
But you like to you like to listen and play.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:48
I would, it would be a dream of mine to take a guitar and just start to play. But apparently in this life, if I would have had that gift, I might have gone down that road.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:28:57
You would have been a rock star

Alex Ferrari 1:28:58
And and and the universe is like, no, no, no. You have other work to do in this lifetime. You can enjoy it, but you, we're not gonna, you're not gonna have the skill set in this life, because it's not what you're supposed to be doing. So I just, I'm bringing this up as an example of how people listening can just look at the things that they're interested in, look at the energies that they have. What are they? What is what makes them happy? And it's, it's like what Joseph Campbell said, the Great, the great philosopher, to find your bliss, and that's how you follow the path. What makes you happy is in a lot of times, it's not what makes you money at them at the time, but that's what following your bliss is. Would you agree following your bliss, your happiness.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:29:43
You follow your bliss. Well, sometimes you don't have bliss. You have aggression. Yes, you do to wait till the bliss comes. Bliss is not easy to get by in this modern times. But yeah, you it's not so unscientific as following your bliss. You. See, I've written a poem in this book of mine, wings to freedom, and that will explain a lot of the questions which people have, that the law of karma is the ultimate law. I mean, I could read to you one of the chapters of that which could clear the misunderstandings of a lot of people that they have. You see, the to the Truth is truth be gone. This is, you see, your karma is nothing but and more, of course, it's Newton's third law of motion, that every action has an equal or opposite reaction. So this is a very important law. If you do good things, you reap. Good things, you get what you deserve, you reap. If you do good, you reap good.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:51
So then for the people who who say, and we all experience this, why do bad things happen to good people?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:31:00
Why do God bad things happen to good people? Because the answer to this is this, you look at his present life, but you don't see his past life or what he has left behind in this life in the past. See, have you seen a crochet? A crochet is the square knitting cloth with big spaces that you can crochet your crochet. Crochet, yes, yes, yes. I don't know these are ladies things,

Alex Ferrari 1:31:30
Yes, yes,

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:31:32
Crochet looks very good, but in that crochet, have you ever turned it at the back, it's very ugly. is good, but the back.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:44
Correct the front, the front style

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:31:46
So for us, it appears that good bad things happen to good people. But if you turn around, they get what they deserve, because they have done things in the bad they have done things in the past which are not good. So to each one is meted out his exact and proper song, each one is meted out his exact and proper score. So this, this unbribable Judge is called the karmic law, who balances the ups and downs of lives of man, fitting the jigsaw of our fates as we ourselves had planned. This is the karma.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:31
Is it true Gurunath that once a a soul or a being achieves enlightenment, that he dissipates the karma for his ancestry, for multiple lifetimes in the going back and for multiple lifetimes going forward. I heard that somewhere. I'm not sure if that's true or not.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:32:55
You see, each one dissolves his own karma and works out his own karma. So if you have a more advanced being, he will not only dissolve his own karma, but he will take on the karma of other beings. So they say that the yogi's impact is so big that he not only purifies the karma of his his personal life, but in he purifies the karma of all his relatives and all his surroundings and all his disciples, depending upon the the the gravity of that yogi. If it's if you cast a small pebble in the lake, it will create its own ripples, little ripples cast a huge rock. It will create huge ripples in the ocean. So also the ripples of goodwill, the ripples of work, of the which the yogi is doing, he can not only save himself, not only do good to himself, but he can purify others also.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:00
Now I'm going to ask you those questions I was going to ask you before that. I ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:34:09
I have no definition of living a fulfilled life, because for me, personally, a fulfilled life is only in one word. What is my definition of living a fulfilled life, to be one with God. What is that by fulfilling which I may fulfill All. The answer comes, God is that by fulfilling which you may fulfill all. What is that by knowing which I may know all? Answer, God is that by knowing which I may know all. What is that by living which I may live all God is that by living which I may live all because he is the only perfect truth in creation. All of us are imperfect. We are still evolving. He is the only one who is our parent, source and ultimate goal. By God, I mean the ultimate reality. You can call it God is a mere question of dialect. It's a word. But when you reach the final reality, the ultimate goal, that is the ultimate fulfillment, which we variously call God, Ishwar, Allah, ahur Mazda, you know, Shiva, Rama. So these are words. So when you fulfill in that perfect being, then only you can be satisfied. Imperfection cannot satisfy you. Desires are endless. The great desire is one who fulfills all desire. Shiv Goraksha Babaji, Shiva, God Ishwar.

Alex Ferrari 1:36:05
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Gurunath, what advice would you give him?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:36:12
I've had a experience of mine, actually, if the first experience was when I was in my mother's womb, I was aware when I came out, my first effort, which I made was at my first attempt of trying to stand. And it was a tremendous effort. I put my hands on the sofa and tried to lift my legs. I still remember that, and it required a big effort to do that. And I had tried. I had a talk with little guru Nath, but little guru Nath and myself are very similar in the sense that we both live in the presence. I have not seen any change in little guru north, and in me the essential change that means I'm still the same as little guru Nath, and I get along with best with people aged one to three, if they're seven or 10, at 12, it becomes attention to me. They bug me. Children is children are the best, purest, but little Gurunath, she lived in the moment. He lived in the moment. And I couldn't say I've spoken for him. I've been with him and associated with him even now. It's a very pure essence, essential part of my Samadhi.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:49
When a child is born, they're closest to source, they're closest to God. And when you're about to die, you're closest to God, give or take, depending on how you're dying. It seems like both sides in the middle is where all the crazy happens, all the Maya is happening. But when you're young, you're still very, very close, and when you're leaving, you're close. Is that true?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:38:15
In my case, it would be true, because when I was very young, my mind was very still, and I could perceive behind my mind the eternal stillness, constant. And as I age, my mind is again becoming still, and the fog of the mind has cleared 95% even my normal days in Samadhi, it's 100% clear. But even normally, it's 95% clear. And I feel both the still mind. Whenever the mind is still, you're closer to God, God or consciousness, or your soul or atma has never gone anywhere nor come anywhere. It was the same all the time, the same, all pervading consciousness of stillness through eternity. And this when the mind stills, you get that stillness through eternity. You get that stillness through eternity

Alex Ferrari 1:39:09
In your meditations, in your moments of silence. Have you spoken to God? And if you have, have you ever asked him one question? Is there a question you would want to ask him or her?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:39:21
First I'll tell you how I saw God. I made a poetry on it, poem then Stiller than stillness itself in silence, I do behold my innermost rising star. I dissolve in that mystery, untold, so near, yet, so afar, so that is the star is the inner God, the Jiva. It's near and yet afar, because I was so absorbed in that. State. I had no thoughts, no questions to ask. I was just merged into that state of silent awareness. I got merged into it. I didn't ask any questions. I felt I had already everything that I was complete, and then I dissolved my eye Ness, the subject and the object, which is the star subject, which is me, we merged together. This was my experience.

Alex Ferrari 1:40:35
One question I would like to ask you is about psychedelics and people using psychedelics and plant medicine to open themselves up to achieve the places where a yogi would do it, through meditation, through techniques, through breath work. What is your take on people who do not people who do that, not judging, but what is the process, and is it similar to what a yogi goes through when you take Ayahuasca or psilocybin or mushrooms or something like that, that opens your mind so rapidly and so intensely that it could be overwhelming.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:41:10
But these experiences, which many people mistake for spiritual experiences, are not spiritual experiences. They are psychic experiences. They are wonderful, they are exciting, and some of them could be pointers to the spiritual path. But all these experiences take place in the individual, the psychic and the the vaster mind, the subconscious mind, and they can take you to some super conscious mind, but they're still in the mind, and they definitely, as far as the mind is concerned, as far as sabhikal Samadhi is concerned, they can help certain doorways. But sabhikal samadhi, the Samadhi of mind and matter can be helped and assisted by types of these drugs, provided, provided they are not chemical, harmful, killing drugs. The cannabis type would be better drugs or they you lost, you lose temporary memory. But they are harmless by and large, and I do not encourage them. But if people have it, I have no opinion as to what they should and should not do it. The cannabis is not too harmful. The chemicals damage the brain, and they are not it is not the final stage of what they think that this is a state of final Samadhi, because after the mind, it's all in the mind. After the mind, where there is no thought, comes the divine consciousness. That's where the real Samadhi begins, all these experiences of seeing the third eye or blazing or flying, or seeing the Tigris or seeing damsels in heaven. They don't come under the category of Samadhi. They come under the category of samapatti. Samapatti is a category where the mind rests itself on a beautiful third eye or on the beautiful of the damsels of heaven. But Samadhi does not rest on any object. It has no alambana, no rest on any object. Samadhi is the merger of the witness into the awareness. There is no thought, word, deed, object, anywhere. There you are, just your pure awareness goes, that is the Jiva, and expands into the integrated consciousness of the universe, called Shiva. It has no object to rest. The mind rests itself upon an object that is called samapatti, which is a Samadhi with objects to rest upon, a house, a church, the form of Krishna, the form of Jesus, you know, having the Last Supper, the mind is concentrated and merges into the Last Supper Photo of Paramahansa, Yogananda, an image of Sri Yukteswar. But when all these forms and images go it is called the nirguna nirakar samadhi, without form or attribute, then only individual consciousness merges into cosmic consciousness, and there is nothing to support that individual consciousness. So at first it feels out of place, and then it gradually merges into that vast individual consciousness beyond mind. So the Samadhi beyond mind is Samadhi. The Sammind, samadhi, which is in mind and has an object to rest upon, is samapatti. This is the difference.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:01
Yeah, and is that what happened with the maharishi? When there's a story that went around that the Maharishi was given mushrooms and he was only supposed to take one, he took the entire bag, and nothing happened. He was like, I this does nothing to me, because tell me

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:45:20
The state which the mushrooms gave was a psychic state. Which of of knee jerk euphoria. You know the knee jerk when a doctor hits you in the knee so that's a knee jerk euphoria. But Maharishi was already in a permanent state of higher Samadhi. Higher Samadhi. It could be the higher sabhikal samadhi, or he could have been in Nirvikalpa Samadhi, but both were higher samadhis than the mushrooms. Let's say mushroom Samadhi goes only up to mind. If Maharishi was beyond mind in Nirvikalpa Samadhi, without form and attribute, then he will not be affected by that lesser voltage. Because he had a he had a sweetener which was sweeter than the mushrooms.

Alex Ferrari 1:46:08
That is what it is. Gurunath, what is your hope for this conversation to do for people watching?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:46:16
I would not pin any desire or hope onto it, but I would just pray to the Lord God, thy will be done, and if it is for their benefit, which I definitely think it is that will reach them. But people, different people, have different acumen of understanding a particular subject. Now we have spoken on all depths of philosophic subject, some understand the simpler. Some understand the rasa. But I feel I've been pretty simple in my explanations as to what the different types of Samadhi are. It's a huge it's a rich Zambezi River in which the deepest divers can dive, and the shadows for the youngsters to play too. It's like a river.

Alex Ferrari 1:47:07
And finally, Gurunath, is there any parting messages you would like to give the audience?

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:47:12
Be sensitive. My presence is the message I have given to you in speech, all that they could be given now I am here before you in silence. Just be me and let the rest take its course. I am available, open. You can come anytime. I am there for you as the presence.

Alex Ferrari 1:47:38
Gurunath, it has been an absolute pleasure and honor having you in the studio. And I appreciate you more than words can say. And I appreciate everything you're doing in your mission in this life to awaken this planet and help souls transition and enlighten. Thank you, my friend.

Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath 1:47:55
God bless you. All the best. Godspeed and Ashirwad.