Indigenous Psychic on Time Travel & Humanity’s Hopeful Future with Sonja Grace

Alex Ferrari 0:00
You are a spirit traveler. Please tell me what a spirit traveler is. Well, that sounds fascinating.

Sonja Grace 0:07
Yeah. I call my ability to spirit travel a process in which I have to go into meditation. I can't go anywhere unless I am fully dissolved. We went back to Atlantis after right before Atlantis fell, and then we went back to 250,000 BC. At the beginning of Atlantis, there was a temple that was built, and the temple was in the shape of a big serpent. And you walk down the hallway inside the serpent, and there was a altar at the end, at the head of the serpent, and and water all around the altar. There was another race of beings not from earth, that got a hold of that sphere.

Sonja Grace 0:13
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you. Please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I like to welcome to the show. Sonja Grace, how you doing Sonja?

Sonja Grace 0:19
Hi. Thanks for having me here. Thank you.

Alex Ferrari 1:41
Thank you so much for flying out to next level soul studios. I really appreciate it.

Sonja Grace 1:45
Thank you. It's exciting to be in Austin.

Alex Ferrari 1:47
Yes, it is a fun city.

Sonja Grace 1:50
Yes, hot.

Alex Ferrari 1:54
And we're actually on the cooler down. We're in the cooling down phase right now. So yeah, a few weeks ago, the devil literally walks across the street all the time here, says hi to us. He's like, I gotta get out of here. So way too hot for me.

Sonja Grace 2:05
That's our joke about Phoenix. We don't live in Phoenix, but we always say Phoenix is Phoenix is worse one mile from hell. So, oh, one mile, I know.

Alex Ferrari 2:14
No, actually, I've been to Phoenix is, I think, worse than, much worse than. But it's dry heat. Yours is dry heat. Ours is this mixture of of humidity and not humidity. I'm from Florida. That's that's humidity, that's humidity. That's 110% yes, so, but I'm so glad to have you on the show. It is your your background is pretty fascinating to me. So can you tell everybody where you like, what your heritage and how you got into the spiritual space from, I guess, I guess, influenced by your heritage?

Sonja Grace 2:49
Well, actually, tell me. I am half Norwegian, and I have Choctaw and Cherokee blood on my mom's side, okay, and I was born with my abilities. I can see, hear, feel, smell, and oddly, taste, everything in the unseen world, in the spirit realm, interesting. So I've been hardwired since I came into this life and and I, you know, I've, I've dealt with it for a long time now. I've been practicing as a healer for 44 years, and I feel that getting into this was a process. Yes, so, for example, as a child, you know, I'd see all these spirits walking through the house, and as one does, yeah, and I didn't have anybody to talk to. I didn't have anyone really, who understood my poor mom would, you know, she was an artist, and so she'd put paper and pen in front of me and tell me to draw and to, you know, use get that imagination on paper, you know. But I was also pretty hyperactive, so she put me in ballet school, okay? And that energy, yeah, and I learned a whole different set of skills, because ballet takes a lot of training and a lot of discipline, and and I had the wherewithal to learn how to defy time and space. So if you know what Sinead turns are, they're real fast turns you go across the floor. How many shenay turns can you do in a count of eight? Well, you can do a lot, or you can do eight. So you learn a sense of time and space with your body that then, you know, filters into other aspects of your life. So I performed. I was a professional ballerina for 15 years, and I was with the Oregon Shakespeare Festival for 10 of those. I was. Rosalyn and Kyle McLaughlin was Romeo and Romeo and Juliet. I worked with Dennis. Aren't I worked with James Avery. I choreographed James Avery in a play that's beautiful, yeah. So that was, it was really fun. You know, a lot of people now who have moved on. I had the good fortune to be around and I, and I really enjoyed the performance aspect, because, of course, being at the Shakespeare Festival, you're sort of, you're sort of going through all your lifetimes, you know, experiencing, you know, different costumes and different time periods. It's like, okay, yeah, I really was in the 1500s I get it and and so a lot of things transpired, and I eventually moved into working with my first teacher, who was in San Francisco. And after I worked with her, I went to my second teacher, and then I went to my third teacher. So over the course of 10 years, and I was already practicing, I had three different brilliant teachers, and they all helped me to corral what was happening to me, because I didn't know. I mean, I was walking down the street seeing yellow and orange on people. And I look at my friends and go, did you see that those people have yellow and orange all over them? And they're like, What are you on? So, so I had to, you know, bring it in and create a foundation of which I can work from.

Alex Ferrari 6:45
So when you were, when you were younger, and you started seeing these dead people walking around, so what explain to me your abilities? Because, I mean, I've spoken to so many psychic mediums and people who see dead people, people don't see dead people, but And you, but you only just don't see spirit. You see the spirit realm as a general statement. Is that on and off like right now? Are you seeing spirits, not only spirits around me, but or in this room, but do you see the realm as well? Can you turn that on and off? How does that work? Because that seems a little overwhelming for the mind to see two worlds at the same time for your entire life.

Sonja Grace 7:19
Yeah, it, it's, it's on most of the time. I think if I'm watching a movie, I'm disconnected. I'm disconnected a little bit because I'm watching the movie, but it was hard to navigate when I was young. It was really hard to navigate and to understand what was happening to me I feel now, you know, and I have to really say this, I attribute the sanity of my life to being sober for 44 years, and that I look at Everything now through that lens, and what that means is my filters are clear when I do healing work on people, and I only work long distance, but when I do healing work on people, I am as clear as I could possibly be, because I'm not smoking pot the night before, I'm Not having a glass of wine with dinner. I'm not polluting the system, but I rarely meet people. Now I've met you, but I rarely meet people who are this far down the road. I know Greg Braden is, and I really appreciate him for his sobriety. It really makes me happy, and I also feel that there are people in my life who have long term sobriety, but they're not in the industry that I'm in and and I I think that people have an idea of spiritualism and what's going on in the spiritual community, but the lens that I view through makes a lot of sense to me, and that is, we're a highly addicted society, highly addicted alcohol, drugs, gaming, texting, social media, social media, you name it. Were addicted food. Oh, my God, there's a big one, and, and, and yet, we've got all these people who have entered the spiritual community without addressing that basic dysfunction that many of us inherited in our family structure.

Alex Ferrari 7:19
Let me, let's dive into this for a second. This is interesting to me. So many people, you know, I think there's more and more people coming into the spiritual space every day. People are leaving religion, organized religion, in droves. The world's a little upside down now slightly, and people are looking for answers, and they're entering the spiritual. The world, and they'll watch shows, and they'll read books, and they'll take the seminars, and they'll go to events and things like that. But what you just said is very important for people to understand is that they have not done any real work, right? They haven't, they haven't done shadow work, they haven't cleaned up their diet. They haven't, you know, dealt with trauma, right? They haven't done any of that stuff, and yet, they they go to these shows, or they read these books, or they take these courses or whatever, and they're like, it's not working for me. I'm like, Well, of course not, because you're not addressing the underlining problems, which is a lot harder than going to hear That's right, a psychic medium. Talk about grandma who just came in the room and talked to you, which is great, which is healing in one way, shape or form, but it's different.

Sonja Grace 7:19
In my practice, I'm a healer, and I go in and energetically do surgery on people. I work on people like a surgeon. So, but I'm all I'm working in the energy body. So if there's a cancer, there I am taking that cancer out. That was it dropping.

Alex Ferrari 8:44
Yeah, I see that was very nice. You're very talented.

Sonja Grace 11:13
So I take it out and I energetically do the work. But it has to pass through the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual bodies, and it has to hurtle the ego. So whatever that person is dealing with, if they're open and they're surrendered, like, Okay, this is happening, and I welcome it to happen. Of course it's going to go a lot faster. Of course it's going to that work I just did is going to have a stronger effect. But if they're in resistance and like, oh, I don't trust you. And, well, I don't know about this, and I don't believe and blah, blah, blah, it's like, I I tell the person, it is your own intuition that you are not trusting it's not mine. You don't trust yourself. If you trusted yourself, then you would know that what's happening here is is something that can happen. I experience miracles every day, every day, there's phenomenal things that happen. And after I approach the healing aspect, I always go into a deep dive with the emotional body, and I do tons of processing. Work with people. I work with the inner child. I work with the inner male and female. My first teacher was a Jungian therapist. I mean, I get it, and I definitely go deeper than that, in that I feel discovering patterns of what we're repeating over and over and over again. You know, I get a client who calls me and says, Well, my, you know, my boyfriend just left me, and, you know, I got divorced five years ago, and you know, my first boyfriend left me, and why is everybody leaving me? And it's like, yeah, that's the pattern, isn't it? Abandonment, 101,

Alex Ferrari 13:16
You're the common denominator in all of these situations, right, right?

Sonja Grace 13:19
So then I go in and help them discover where in their life, from the womb until three years old, that they experienced abandonment. And then I help them to extract that out of the body, so that we're making room now for healing, so that the cancer or the illness or whatever is brewing in there doesn't have to keep percolating because of the emotional wound that they're holding. So they have to go hand in hand. I really believe the physical body is like a big closet, and all we're doing is storing all this unresolved emotional wounds, trauma, etc, in the closet and about, you know, 45-50 years old. Guess what? It wants out

Alex Ferrari 14:13
Like in those movies, you get clocked open and everything just comes flying out right, bulging at the seams, kind of thing. But going back to when you were, when you were growing up, and you're seeing, you know, seeing all these entities and stuff like that. So I'm not going to put you on the spot. I'm like, is there? Who's his grandma with me? I'm not going to do that. But you how do you deal with it psychologically? I mean, at this point, you probably used to it, but at the beginning, just psychologically, dealing with, Hey, I see and do they speak to you? And do they connect, communicate with you?

Sonja Grace 14:52
They do speak, and they do connect. And I've had, I've had clients who have died. I. Come and, you know, like, practically terrorize me because they're so excited to talk to me on the other side. That must be, which is hilarious.

Alex Ferrari 15:10
That must be kind of freaky for you, like you're talking to me now and then, you know,

Sonja Grace 15:16
Tell you once that was so good. My client, Howard, who was a pool and spa guy loved Howard, 250 pounds, heart problems up the Yin Yang, really, really into all things spiritual, cosmic, and he put pools in. And Howard had a massive heart attack and and die. And I didn't find out about it until, you know, I saw Howard standing in my bathroom. I'm like, Howard, did you cross over? Yeah, I did. I'm really pissed off about it. Okay, I'm sorry. And, and and then later, Howard came back to me, and he said, I have to tell you something really important. And I said, What? And he said, You don't realize this, but you actually kept me alive for a good three years before I passed, because I was working on him. I was working on his heart. I was working on all his systems, doing healing work, doing processing work, and the fact that he would come and tell me that, you know, thank you. You kept me here longer than than I was really supposed to be. And I've heard that from other people too, you know, you don't always know, as the healer, whatever effect you've had on someone, right? But, but Howard definitely wanted me to know that I helped him to be here longer. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 16:55
So from, you know, being from the eclectic heritage that you are from half Norwegian, halftown, Cherokee, okay, from the from both sides, but I think more probably from the Native American side. How did that influence your Well, I your spiritual journey. Have you? Have you dug deep into that?

Sonja Grace 17:16
Oh, totally, totally. And, I mean, what's interesting is, you know, as a kid, we always played in the neighborhood. I mean, we were outside, oh yeah to the lights until lights turn on, yeah. So when we played cowboy and Indians, I was always the Indian, right? Because I know, right, but I was like, No, I'm the Indian. I mean, I knew, I knew my heritage, but it wasn't something that was really laid out. We were so influenced by my dad's side, the Norwegian side,

Alex Ferrari 17:48
You're here in America, or yeah, in America, yeah, so you have the America, and you're also influenced by the American culture in general.

Sonja Grace 17:54
Of course. But I became a part of Hopi culture, Gosh, 40 years ago, okay, and that became my second family, my second home, and then I married a Hopi man, and now I'm married into the tribe. I mean, I I'm very connected out there, and I feel more Hopi than anything, because I've spent so much time there and and I love the community and the ceremonies and all that is practiced.

Alex Ferrari 18:27
Let me. Let me, if I, if you don't mind me asking, I want to kind of dig into the spiritual practices of, let's say the Hopi, because that's the tribe that you spent most time with. How does the Hopi look upon psychic medium work, or healing work, in this kind of way. What are the traditions? What are the what are the histories of it? I'm just fascinated with that side of it.

Sonja Grace 18:52
They consider me a medicine woman out there. Okay, so I, you know, I mean, I all of my free work that I do, which is a lot, is for Native people, people in the Hopi tribe, yeah. So I, I have a lot of people who want to see me in person. Even though I work long distance, it's more common practice to go to the medicine man in person. So they want to see me in person. There was one time we were at a dance at one of the villages, and this woman, it was just such a funny scene. I mean, I still kind of think about it and go, Wow, that really happened. That was wild. This woman came, dragging her leg, dragging it across the plaza, drag, drag, drag. And she gets to the door and she says, Can I see you? And I'm like, and there's all these people in the house, because it's always busy and people cooking and kids running around, she drags herself and her leg in and sits in the chair and. I said, what happened? And she said, Well, I, you know, there's no running water out there, so it's all out houses, and people have to haul water. She said, I came out of the outhouse and fell down the cliff. Oh, geez. Oh yeah, it was, it was like that, okay? And I said, so have you had an x ray? I go right to, you know,

Alex Ferrari 20:22
Have you gone to go to the doctor emergency room?

Sonja Grace 20:23
She said, No. She said, anyway, so I worked on her and and I did some repair work in her hip, and I took a couple of things out that were more psychically, yeah, yeah, I was working. Well, I was using my hand, but, but I took some things out of her that were sent to her from another person to harm her. Okay, yeah, we're gonna get into that, yeah. But anyways, I kid you not, this woman got up and normal as normal can be walked out of the house when we were done and walked across the plaza back to her house. And I'm like, okay, that just happened. Interesting. Yeah. But see, here's the thing. People don't necessarily know this in the broader sense of white culture, you know, it's not but in indigenous cultures, there's things that are practiced Mexico, all over the world, but at Hopi, we call it witching. It's like you get Witched by someone. They're using black magic, sure. And it's very prevalent. It's very prevalent in a lot of places on the planet.

Alex Ferrari 20:24
I'm Cuban. I'm very familiar with it.

Sonja Grace 20:24
You get it, yeah. And so that's the kind of stuff I'm dealing with. I'm like a priest disguised as a woman in the 21st Century. I kid you not. I'm doing exorcisms all day long. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 21:06
So, okay, so when you're talking about kind of like black magic, give you I'll give you my example of my my experience in it being Cuban. Have you ever heard of santeros? You've heard of the term Santero Santeria? Yeah, which is the Cuban black magic and white magic? Yeah, I've had actual priests in my family who might like my cousin was a white he wore white for a year. Everything was white for preparing himself to become white Santero, which is to help protect people from the dark magic. It's as I'm speaking about it out loud. It sounds insane. It sounds insane, but this is a cultural thing. It comes from the islands, from us and Afro Cuban, you know the concept of voodoo and stuff. It's just a different version of that. So I'm familiar with the black magic, but I've never really dabbled. I haven't really gone deep into that kind of stuff in here. And I've always been my feeling on and what I've been told is, if you have a if you have protection around you, or if you have spirits around you who are protecting you, that helps, yeah, but there are people who try to send you bad juju, yeah. Can you explain what that process is, how it works?

Speaker 1 21:06
So I'm, I'm usually the one on the receiving end of this, because I don't practice such shit and and I only work with angels. My guides are high angelic beings. I don't work with anything else. I am like, yeah, that I that is not a realm that I will ever go into

Alex Ferrari 23:41
And the dark side to me, yeah,

Sonja Grace 23:43
Yeah, but I do spend a lot of my day clearing this stuff from people. And there's, you know, there's a lot to be said about cultural influence and people coming together and trying to bring down someone, put the Mojo on someone, you know, just do harm to them. It's a low vibration. It's a very low vibration. But there's a lot of it going on. I hate to tell you that there's a lot of it going on, and people don't realize how, even how powerful their thoughts are. That's true. You can be driving behind somebody who's who's going really slow, and you're yelling, Get out of the way, you know, and out of those words, or these, you know, little zingers that are hitting the back of that person's head and and they're like, God, what is wrong with the person behind me? And they didn't even turn around to look. They feel it. You know, we we are powerful, but we're reckless with our energy. We're not managing our energy in a way that takes. Responsibility. And you know, in my practice, what I teach, I have a grounding meditation. It involves grounding all the chakras, because I'm a firm believer that we should be receiving energy from the earth up into each chakra, and we should be grounding our energy down into the earth. So in this meditation that I teach it, it grounds you, and it helps you to take responsibility for what you're doing with your energy. Great example, everybody you've you've been in New York, you're walking down the street in New York, and there's this person coming towards you, and you're like, wow, they're really hot and but they're not, they're not, they're okay, they're attractive, but they're not, like, super hot, hot, but they're running second chakra energy with everybody walking down the street, so everybody's getting blasted with this second chakra, and you're all looking at this person, going, wow, you know, mesmerized. They're not grounding their energy.

Alex Ferrari 23:43
So let me ask you a question then. So I've been around being working in Hollywood for as long as I did. I was around a lot of celebrities, and I was a lot of around some of the most beautiful human beings I've on the planet, really. And I realized that when I was it was in a room with one of them, or working with them, I can, I mean, there's an energy about them. There's something that they they almost suck the wind out of the room. Some of them, like, they walk in and everyone just hoof, yeah, on them. Is that? What do you I mean, obviously, if they're good looking, they're good looking, they're going to be good looking on a physical level. But this is deeper. This is a whole lot deeper. I've met some very interesting human beings in the film industry, to say the least. But some of these actors that I met, some of the biggest movie stars in the world, I walk in, I go, Oh, I understand why that person's a movie star. I get it, like, just the energy, everything. It's just to them, What, in your opinion, what's causing that, other than their maybe just their natural beauty? Yeah, because I've seen, I've seen beautiful people who don't have that.

Sonja Grace 24:43
Well, that's what I was talking about. The person walking down the street, not beautiful, but everybody's drawn to that person like a magnet. And I'm looking at them energetically, going okay, first chakra is grounded. Second chakra is blasting everybody. Third chakra is blasting everybody. Fourth chakra is all over the place. You know, I'm just going up the line checking what's happening, and I think that's what's happening with a lot of people in the industry, is they're not grounding their energy because they're afraid, if it's grounded, no one will see them. It's kind of like that, that invisible little hand coming out, you know, tapping you on the shoulder. They're afraid that you won't see them. So they've got to blast everybody Peacock, yeah, they have to kind of constantly be they have to blast that energy out, and it's not helping them. The more we ground our energy into the earth, the more that earth energy will come up and support you. It will support you. It will support your whole body function.

Alex Ferrari 28:17
Afterwards, I'm going to ask you about my chakras. Do it right now. Do you want to? Do you want to? I'd love you to just look at my chakras and tell me what I'm blasting, what I'm not blasting, what I need to ground, because I have not had that done.

Sonja Grace 28:29
Okay, okay, all right, I'll tell you. Okay, your first chakra, where you're sitting, is very red. It's open, it's moving pretty fast, which is good to see, you want your chakras spinning fast. Second chakras, okay, it's a little bit smaller, I think, since we talked about blasting with second chakra energy, yours kind of went, Okay, keep quiet. But it's, it's moving. It's got a lot of orange. It has some green in it, which tells me, you know that your heart energy is definitely on that empathic level.

Alex Ferrari 29:09
You need to stay hydrated while you do chakra work.

Sonja Grace 29:13
No kidding, your third chakra is really open, very, very large. It's, it's, it's got yellow in it, but it's also got a lot of gold and tan color. Often times, when there's a mixture of color like that, it you're integrating something, you're you're assessing and sort of formulating, what does that mean for me and my power and my physical well being, right? Heart Chakra is good. What's interesting about your heart chakra is it has a lot of what's that color? It's like a burgundy, dark red, not dark red. It's more of a it's got some pink to it, okay? And then there's green right at the center, okay. Well, it again, you're, you're processing something, okay, so, yeah, the first chakra level, being all about food, clothing, survival and everything grounded to the Earth is is doing its thing up in your heart, like you're again, you're assessing and trying to integrate something that has to do with your survival. On a heart level, your fifth chakra. Beautiful throat, beautiful Indigo, very open, super, super clear energy.

Alex Ferrari 30:45
That makes sense, since I do this for a living

Sonja Grace 30:47
Exactly sixth chakra, which is your third eye, it's, it's open, it's a little bit folded forward and and, you know, I'm just, I'm, just going to do it. I'm lifting it up. Okay, now it's back up. It's moving. It's a, it's a, it's a light, pale blue. It's, it's quite crystal, like a crystal, almost feeling, okay, yeah, it's, it's beautiful. Oh, thank you and Oh, thank you. I have fantastic shot. And your your seventh chakra is the crown, yeah, the crown, you know, they usually open out wide. Yours is kind of open up this way. It's open the vertical power current goes all the way up to source and all the way down to the center of the earth. And yours is, it's very clear, all the chakras hook into it like tubular flowers. Interesting. So you have, you have chakras on the backside the, let me start over, the vertical power current. The first chakra hooks in this way. So it's it's facing down. Seventh hooks in up this way, directly into the court, whereas the other chakras are hooking in front and back. Do you understand, like, tubular flowers? Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 32:15
Interesting. Yeah. So overall diagnosis, decent. Okay, chakras where I'm at right now?

Sonja Grace 32:20
Look at the backside, but yeah, they look fine. Oh, interesting. Fine. I They look fine. I did not see anything that alarmed me. I didn't see anything that made me go, Hey, we need to talk.

Alex Ferrari 32:33
Okay, good. That's a good thing. Yeah, that's a good yeah, that's pretty fascinating. I've never had my chakras read before, so that's and you see auras as well. Yeah, yeah, all the time, everything. So you see auras all the time. So you when you're walking in, when you meet somebody for the first time, you obviously have a one up, because you're able to see their their aura. So if they're going to try to do you harm, or if they're going to be negative to you, or they're going to do something. You'll see it before it comes.

Sonja Grace 33:01
You know, I don't even work that way. Tell me. Tell me how you I don't I'm so open all the time. I'm so freaking open. I'm like, because I don't have anything to hide. I don't have anything. In fact, I wanted to talk to you about this today, please. I i find that someone like me, with 44 years in this industry, is often I speak with authority on on what I know Sure, and I find that people who don't understand the depth of work that I've done, the depth of processing that I've done, and the years, the four decades of meditation that I've done that that that is an authentic place as a woman in a body experiencing my, my life, reality and what I, what I, what I hear people say is, oh, you know, she's all ego. And it's like you don't even know. You don't even know what the ego is, let alone what the false ego is. I don't think people have done the inner work to recognize what is healthy ego and what is a false ego. And more importantly, we have lived in a male dominant society for so long, since about 4000 BC,

Alex Ferrari 34:42
Isn't that earlier

Sonja Grace 34:43
That we have lost the thread of what it means to be an authentic woman, to be authentically in our power as a woman, and not be reflecting a man's power because the people. People who have been in power for much of the last whatever, 1000s of years, 1000s of years, have been men and so women mimic and copy. We wear suits, we we talk like men. We swear like men. We you know, we've got this whole male gig down. Is I talk with authority, because I know what I'm talking about. I've lived it. I'm in the trenches. I'm working on cancer every day. I'm working on clearing aliens and demons and entities and stuff from people's bodies and fields. I'm in the trenches. So I think it's important to define, on this beautiful day that we're together, what is the authentic authority of a woman like it's a great it's a great question, and something I'd love for your audience to ponder,

Alex Ferrari 35:58
Yeah, I mean, I've said this before on the show. I mean, I've been surrounded by women my entire life. I have no testosterone in my life whatsoever. Even my cat's balls are cut off. They literally is no testosterone in my life. So I'm surrounded by women constantly, and raised by a single mom and grandmother and all that stuff. Very few male my grandfather and my father, obviously, to a certain extent, but I, but I've been so I I understand, I understand, as a guy, I understand women, hopefully, at a deep level, and my children, I'm literally all I have is women, right? So, you know, having having daughters, you look at the world and you're like, you want to make them empowered. You want to make them strong. You want to think, but you're absolutely right. In regards to where we've been, it's been very male dominated. The masculine energy has been basically running humanity, yes, for 1000s of years, yes, but I'm noticing that within the last 100 there has been an uprise in women. There has there has been the feminine energy is starting to rise in a way, in a way, because, and I've said, this has been said on the show before, that the masculine energy was needed for period of humanity's time, because you needed that, that engine, the ego I need to conquer, I need to grow. I need to you needed that energy, not you didn't need nurturing energy at that point you needed, you know, kind of that kind of energy where now the feminine energy is starting to come back in, because we need it, because the feminine energy is what's going to help balance this whole planet. Because you, if you keep going down the destructive, purely masculine energy, which is wars and conquering and this and that we're gonna, we're not gonna make it. So we needed the female nurturing energy now, and now we're seeing, you know, obviously, in our life, in my lifetime, and a little bit before, I mean, women didn't get the power to vote until what, what was the year, I think, the 20s or 30s, yeah, something like that, before then they, you know? And then how long before they could get a credit card, and then, like you needed your husband to co sign for you, was insane.

Sonja Grace 38:06
So let's talk about dimensions. Oh, yes, let's talk about dimensions, because it rolls into this, okay, we have been, I believe humans have been here for about 2 million years, sure. And I believe that we were brought here. Sorry, I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes of belief systems, but I believe that we were brought here by a race of beings, Anunnaki. No, they're called Moo. The Giants called Moo. I've heard of them as well. I believe the Giants built the pyramids. They built Gobekli Tepe. They're responsible for a whole lot of stuff that helped the people of Atlantis and then the people of this phase of humanity. So we've been in the fourth dimension up until the Mayan calendar ended, and that started us moving into the fifth dimension when that happened in 2012 people experienced weird things, absolutely, neck pain, back pain, weird symptoms. I was watching, listening, talking to people. What are you going through? Okay, so it's kind of like that scene in Star Trek when the ship enters the nebula zone. And all of us, we were like, right entering, well, now we're in the middle of it. We're in it. And this fifth dimension is a high, high vibration that is requiring us to raise our vibration, to meet it, not for the vibration to meet us, because it's not all about us. What? So, yeah, we've we've got a lot of work to do. That's why I'm saying I'm posting on social media all the time. You have to do the work. Get the shovel. You got to do the. Work, because in order to have that high vibration, that high frequency, you have to know what the inner landscape is. You have to know what your traumas are, what your emotional wounding is. I just got a call from a woman stage four ovarian cancer. Can't figure out how it possibly could have happened, and she came from a perfect family. And I'm like, I got something to tell you here. It's probably not that perfect. There is no perfect family. And furthermore, there's something very deep, rooted down in your pelvis that has grown over time that is now evolved into cancer. There's always an emotional component to the illness. Always and all cancers fall under the scope of resentment and anger. Everybody I've ever worked on who has cancer? So what do you really feel? Well, I'm, I'm really angry, I'm really resentful. Yeah, yeah. So now that we're in this fifth dimension, and we're all trying to navigate it and going, I don't know, you know, I'm all over the place. I can't focus. I'm I'm so confused, and I can't find anybody to be with. There's no people. I'm only on social media. I mean, it goes on and on and on, and it's because this energy is so high that it takes everything we have to focus and to get clear on what we're doing. Oh, what's my purpose? Oh, for God's sakes, let me tell you everybody's purpose. We are here to love at the deepest level of our being, like a riot of explosion at the heart. That's how much we're supposed to be loving. We're supposed to love everybody around the world as much as we love our families, our dogs, our cats, our children, and we're so resistant. We're so like, No, I can't love that person. They're horrible. It's like, yeah, okay, I get it. I get it. But love is the vibration, the most powerful vibration that we can connect with, because when we're in that state of love, we open up to Divine Love, which is what we came from. And then there's a merging of those vibrations. And guess what helps us get through the fifth dimension, love, yep, yep, interesting, yep, as The Beatles saying, All You Need Is Love.

Alex Ferrari 42:49
Well, The Beatles brought in a whole lot of that back in the day. There's no question about that, yep. What I find fascinating as well is that your your background in in the Native American side of you, your heritage, they do. They talk about chakras and and they talk about these kind of things with the terminology from the east. Is it a different name for it for them?

Sonja Grace 43:14
No, I think it's very different. I think that there's that, you know, there's some traditions that practice a more you know, traditional Native doctoring. You're a bone doctor on the res. You're going to adjust people's bones. You're a healer. But I would say most medicine people across the country are working similarly to how I work, in that they are looking for what was done to this person that has made them ill. See, that's interesting. I work both ways. I want to know what did you experience and create from an emotional wound that sprouted this illness, whereas, in a more traditional, native way, I think it's what somebody put the Mojo on you. And believe me, I take stuff off of people all the time, and their symptoms are gone. They're totally clear. So, so it's, it's, you see what I'm saying. It's kind of two streets that I walk on. I walk on, take responsibility, and I walk on. Okay, let's look at what happened here.

Alex Ferrari 44:35
Now, another aspect of the thing, of the work you do, is you are a spirit traveler. Please tell me what a spirit traveler is. Well, that sounds fascinating, yeah.

Sonja Grace 44:45
Well, okay, long time ago, I don't know, 25 years ago, Sean and I went to the willow mountains in Eastern Oregon. We got a cabin. We were all excited. It's beautiful there. Where I grew up, camping and, you know, backpacking into the woods. So anyways, we're there. I'm happy. I told Sean, I'm going to sit down and just do like a 20 minute meditation. And he said, Okay, I'm going to sit here on the porch and just hang out. I'll wait for you, and then we'll cook dinner. So it was kind of dusk. Well, in my meditation, I was experiencing when I go into meditation, my body dissolving and just becoming like grains of sand that just rolled into the trees, or whatever was my environment. So I was gone. I was gone, and my guides, who are high angelic beings, came, held their hand out and said, We want to show you something. I said, Okay. I took their hands, and we went up and I mean, I felt it. I felt the air. We went up and up and up and we kept going up. And I'm like, Okay, we're out in space now. We really went up and we ended up at this place that they informed me was called the center of the universe. Oh, that's okay. That's significant. So we're you don't see Earth at this point. No, no, you're gone, gone. I'm gone. We're not that close at the Center for being a nurse. No, I was gone, gone. And there were these beings there, and I call them the savrock but they're the ant people. And the ant I've met the ant people. I spirit traveled, not then this was the first, okay, I'd met the ant people before, but not in this context. So they're standing there, and I'm like, What are you guys doing here? They said, we take care of the center of the universe. And I said, Wow, cool job. And they said there was this kind of milky white substance. And they said, We want you to step into this. And I looked at my guides like, Okay, I'm really scared now. And they said, It's okay. So I stepped in absolutely hands down. I can't even fully explain it to you. I went into such a state of bliss that I was just, I mean, it was overwhelming. I was totally like, I'm never coming out of this. I'm forever staying here. And about that time they said it's time to go. And I'm like, no. So I took their hands. We went back down. We thanked the savroc, of course, and we went back down, and it was five hours later.

Alex Ferrari 47:48
But for you, it was like,

Sonja Grace 47:50
Sean was still sitting there. Yeah, he was still sitting there. I'm sorry. Do you need tissue? No, I'm okay. He was still sitting there. And I'm like, Oh, my God. It was like, dark. And, yeah, wow, it was crazy. It was crazy.

Alex Ferrari 48:06
And he left you there for five hours. He didn't, he didn't bother you.

Sonja Grace 48:09
Oh, he knew I was gone. He could tell Yeah. So ever since then, I call my ability to spirit travel, a process in which I have to go into meditation. I can't go anywhere unless I am fully dissolved. And then I take my guides hands. I never go anywhere without them, and they take me to a place back in time that they want to show me. So we've been to the Great Pyramids. We've been to Gobekli Tepe, we've been to Easter Island. We've been all over the place, various timeframes. Probably the most interesting was going back to Atlantis.

Alex Ferrari 48:53
Please, yeah, explain. Please, tell us the story. What was it like being in Atlanta?

Sonja Grace 48:58
It was really cool because

Alex Ferrari 48:59
At what point, at what point in time

Sonja Grace 49:01
Two time periods, we first we went back to Atlantis after right before Atlantis fell. And then we went back to 250,000 BC at the beginning of Atlantis. Okay, and there was right before it fell, and and, yeah, at the beginning I see Atlanta starting around 250,000 BC. That's a long time for a civilization. For one

Alex Ferrari 49:28
Civilization, did they have cycles? Yeah. So the destruction cycle, rebirth cycle,

Sonja Grace 49:34
There were, there were some cycles, but it was more influence, influence coming in. Towards the latter part, it was Anunnaki coming in and wanting to enslave the people. Yeah, interesting. So at the beginning there was a temple that was built, and the temple was in the shape of a big serpent, and you walked down the hall. Hallway inside the serpent, and there was a altar at the end, at the head of the serpent, and and water all around the altar. And during this time, an alien race came and visited them and gave them a sphere, and the sphere held some form of nuclear power, and that that sphere was kept in this temple, in the water under the altar. It was kept safe.

Alex Ferrari 50:32
Is that what the Great Pyramid was supposed to be for? Because it's not a tomb.

Sonja Grace 50:36
Hold that thought. Okay, so over time, they were shown how to use this power, and they utilized it very specifically. They were very careful about what they used it for. But in the end, showing up now, at the end of the fall of Atlantis, there was another race of beings not from earth, that got a hold of that sphere, and it caused a nuclear they they opened it, it caused a nuclear reaction. And that was the beginning of the fall of Atlantis. That was the beginning. Then, over the course of 100 years, all these comets came in, and now I view comets as the watchdogs of the universe, and they protect the Earth. If they see anybody messing with her, they're on it. They're coming. They're not gonna. They're even if they crash into Earth, it's to rid her of her fleas, right? It's kind of like that. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 51:44
It's a total end game kind of scenario, though. But yes, yeah, it's a sledgehammer. It's not a scalpel, right?

Sonja Grace 51:51
But they're definitely, they're the Watch Dogs. Okay? So they came in, hit the Earth, land masses shifted, broke off, you know, we know the fall of Atlantis, and I saw all of this, and I thought the nuclear part of it was so interesting, because I I I did not suspect that I did not and yet here we are today, dealing With this nuclear power war, whatever you know, everybody worried about what's going to happen next. And I'm like, Yeah, okay, I get it now where this is as much of a cycle as anything else. It's all cyclical, and it's all karmic, everything, even this moment between you and I. It's karmic. There is no like, why is it? I just walked past 100 people in New York, and I don't have any interaction with it, because I don't have any karma with those people. Yeah. So it's all cyclical and all karmic, and I do feel that things are predestined. I don't I think that we have free will and that we can definitely raise our vibration and do the things that we want to do, but we have to know and understand what our karma is so we can do those things within the context of that,

Alex Ferrari 53:22
Is this concept of Karma? Is that something that the Hopis also have? Is it, but it's not called karma? Or is that even something that they

Sonja Grace 53:30
I don't you know, they have prophecies, and they believe that we were, we came to Earth in the first world, that we were born of the earth in the first world, from grandmother spider and and the the creator, the Masao, was there, here on the planet with a torch, and that was the only light. And there's a whole process of, you know, what happened in that first world, and then that ended, and then the second world happened, and there's a whole problem. Then the third world happened, and that came to an end, floods and, you know, devastation. And now we're in the fourth world. And there is the prophecy that the fourth world will come to an end, and that we will move into the fifth world,

Alex Ferrari 54:20
Which is what it's everything cyclical. Yes, everything cyclical.

Sonja Grace 54:23
Everything's cyclical. Even our emotional patterning is cyclical. You know, we're just nothing but a bunch of cycles, pretty much, yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 54:34
I mean, absolutely, there's, there's no question about it, yeah. So when you, when you're doing the spirit travel, and you've gone to these different places. Oh, so Great Pyramid. Back to the Great Pyramid. Great Pyramid. Yes, is that what that was? Because that's the question I've had, and many people have had it. They say it's a tomb. It's not a tomb.

Sonja Grace 54:51
No, it's not a tomb. And in both of my spirit traveler books, I have two out, I talk about the cafe pyramid in the first one. And. The Great Pyramid in the second one. And what I describe is they are a teleportal system. They are a transport system. The Great Pyramid was built first with the sarcophagus and the room that that is held in that was the first part that was built. Everything came afterwards and was built over it. And I experienced it. I spirit traveled back there. I absolutely got transported off planet. And it does go to Orion's Belt. What does that is the transport, too.

Alex Ferrari 55:45
So I've heard from people who have gone to the Great Pyramid and have gone inside the king's chamber that they meditate there a little. They'll play some music there, or they'll hit a sound and it just the vibration in that room. Is something, yeah, out otherworldly. But many of them are like, literally, the sky opens up to them. They see the stars. Yeah, it's there. I've had many reports like that,

Sonja Grace 56:08
Yes, and it is sound, that part of the transport is sound.

Alex Ferrari 56:14
When you say that, did you ever see the movie contact? Yeah, is that kind of what we're talking about, as far as the transporting through wormholes and all that kind of stuff.

Sonja Grace 56:26
Yes, I love that movie. I love that movie too, and they're remaking it. Did you know that they're remaking it?

Alex Ferrari 56:32
Of course, they're remaking they're remaking everything because they have no original ideas anymore. They're terrified. Oh God, terrified. Hollywood's terrified of doing anything original anymore. But the original movie with Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey, I love it. It was not Carl, not Carl Young, but Carl, who's the writer? Sagan. Sagan, thank you, Carl Sagan, he was a very spirit. It seems like he was a very spiritual dude. Yeah, he was a deep, deep guy. I mean, he was into this, obviously, as a star, as an astronomer, scientist, but he was a very deep guy. I mean, you read that, you read that, or you watch that movie, you read that book, you're just like, what is happening. So it is similar, though,

Sonja Grace 57:18
I think it's similar my experience, because I went there spirit traveling and was literally taken up but, but I do believe that people have experiences of travel, time travel, or teleporting to a planet, whatever, by just being in that room, in that space.

Alex Ferrari 57:42
Let me ask you something when you were, when you're traveling spirit, traveling through time. So like you said, you were at the beginning of Atlantis, the end of Atlantis. This might be a very difficult question, or very deep question, but how does that work? I heard somewhere that all, all time, all time, all lifetimes are happening at the exact same time. So we're the soul is experiencing multiple lifetimes at the exact same time. So right now, as we're speaking, Atlantis is falling at the exact same time. It's hard for our little brains to wrap around it, right? Can you explain how that time travel aspect of it works. Are we jumping to different timelines? Are we all the same timeline in a different place? Like I said, this is a

Sonja Grace 58:28
So the best explanation I can give you is, is I'm not my body time traveling?

Alex Ferrari 58:34
No, of course not.

Sonja Grace 58:35
So I'm in, I'm in like an etheric state,

Alex Ferrari 58:41
Astral almost astral traveling. No, it's not astral travel. It's something different.

Sonja Grace 58:45
It's something completely different. I can't experience this level of travel unless I go into meditation and feel my body completely dissolving So that right there takes it out of the astral travel arena. Okay, so when they take me and we go, there's some crossing of timelines that's happening. But I'm feeling the air, the cold. Sometimes I wear a coat because they tell me it's going to be cold, interesting areas. Yeah, it's wild.

Alex Ferrari 59:23
Your theory of body can get cold

Sonja Grace 59:27
Yes, it does. I mean, I've felt it and I come back exhausted. I think I've only been gone a half an hour. I've been gone five hours I've been gone. I mean, it's crazy.

Alex Ferrari 59:38
Are you familiar with Yogananda? Yeah, he would talk about this stuff that he would he's like, I'm gonna go away now. I'll be gone for a few days if you need me, just come into my ear and whisper that we need you, and I'll come back. And he would go into these deep meditations, and he would just be gone, yeah, just guys traveling. He's going doing, and a lot of the yogis and. Lot of the gurus and swamis have talked about this.

Sonja Grace 1:00:04
No, a friend of mine brought me back some for booty from Sai Baba. And she said, put it under your tongue before you go to bed. And so I did, and I knew who Sai Baba was. I was definitely aware, and, you know, felt totally fine with him. So I did. I put it under my tongue that night. I dreamt I was and I don't know anything about his ashram. So I dreamt I was in an ashram, and he met me, he took me by the hand, and he pushed on a wall, and it popped open like a door, and we sat in this private room, and we talked about, like, super deep spiritual stuff that was like, It was so incredible the conversation. And then I came back and I went to see her the next day, and I said, Okay, so I had this dream. I was in this place. This is what it looked like. I described the ashram to a T and she and I told her about the the wall that popped open like a door. And she said, that is exactly what it looks like. And there is a door into a private room. She said, You were there? Interesting? Yeah, I totally had this connection with him. Was so it was so interesting to to have that like be there and not feel that there was any separation between this reality and that?

Alex Ferrari 1:01:48
So, yeah, I'm going to ask you something. It's just, I find this really interesting, and again, I have a unique perspective, because of the amount of people in this space that I speak to on a daily basis from all walks of life, there seems to be levels. And it's not above or beyond, just different levels where the experience, the human experience, is so distinctly different. So obviously you and I are having a very deep conversation about Sparrow travel and going to you know, gurus, ashrams in meditation in India, and all this kind of stuff. And then there's, there's people who are just like, I can't pay my bills tonight. They can't even comprehend what we're talking about. And I think all of us have been at all levels of it. Very few saints come in fully formed. They usually have to go through the process. But I'm noticing it even within my own life. I'm experiencing things on a spiritual level that I never could even conceive of when I was in my 20s. I mean, when I read Autobiography of the yogi for the first time, I'm like, I stopped in chapter three. I was like, What biolocation? This is crazy. I'm out of here. And I just, I put it down. I couldn't, I couldn't wrap my head around it, yeah. So I've evolved to a point where I, when I finally picked it up again, oh, now I get it. Now I'm ready for it, yeah. But you had to kind of get yourself to a level. So when people ask me about meditation all the time, they're like, oh, you know, how do I meditate? Or how can I get to these deep places like it takes work. Yeah, it takes time to meditate. I mean, I've been meditating for probably almost a decade now, over a little bit over a decade, and when I first started, I wasn't feeling what I feel now when I go to meditate, right? It's but it takes time to build this up. So I'm bringing this up for people to understand that just because you can't spirit travel, I can't, at least I don't think I can or have these abilities. We're all capable of it. It's just

Sonja Grace 1:03:53
Okay. And I'm glad you brought this up, because this is really important. We are all spiritual. Yes, we are all infinite souls having a human experience. We are all capable, maybe not willing, but we are all capable of meditation. We are all empathic. We all have super duper intuition, if we choose to tap into that. But there's, this is where Karma comes in. Okay, karmically, I have had lifetime after lifetime after lifetime of being some type of healer. That's the, you know, the cross eye, bear it. I have to go through that and obviously work through things being burned at the stake and hung and all kinds of things for being a heretic. So I'm still working that out right. Some people have karma where they're a farmer. They're really good as a farmer. They know plants. They know the David realm instinct. They understand no. Nature, and that shouldn't be a repellent. That should be a wow, I'm good at this. I should do this. This is my purpose, right? So we all have sort of these different things karmically that we're working through. Can everybody do what I do? No, I don't think so. Can everybody do what you do? Huh? I don't think so.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:23
Well, there are people who have different skill sets, like, I can't play basketball, like Michael Jordan, right? I just can't.

Sonja Grace 1:05:29
And I tell people all the time, if you need brain surgery, because we're all one and we're all the same, are you going to ask the kid bagging your groceries to do your brain surgery? I don't think so,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:41
Skills that need to be acquired or cultivated. And this perfect example I'll bring Michael Jordan back up, is when he started. He had obviously natural talent, yeah, but he was cut from his high school team. Yeah, he had to work at it. He had to develop that talent, but he had a good starting place and but that was obviously what he was supposed to be doing.

Sonja Grace 1:06:01
And this brings us full circle back to addiction, and the whole idea that spiritualism has become as big of an addiction as any addiction. Preach, preach, I'm telling you. I mean, you know, I've read this book, I've read that book, I've taken this workshop, I've gone to Joe Dispenza, I've gone here, I've gone there, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I'm still not clear about what I'm supposed to be doing or why I have this chronic depression. I hear that all the time,

Alex Ferrari 1:06:31
But Sonja, isn't it, because when you when you do that kind of stuff, and you're constantly and it's great, you're reading books, you're educating yourself. Fantastic, watching podcasts, you're downloading courses. That's all fantastic, yes, but it could be addictive, because it could be a false. It's a false. The false ego, if you will, is is going to I've met people like I'm the most spiritual person. I'm the most humble person, really, if you're saying it, that's probably not a good thing. I know so. But the thing is that they're it's all surface level stuff. They're not digging deep, and it's kind of like this kind of almost rat race, almost wheel spinning wheel that you're on that you can't get off, because you're just constantly doing the surface level stuff, but you're not doing the deep work, but you're lying to yourself saying I'm super spiritual, because I've got all the products that I have to have. I have the crystals in the room I'm saging every night. You know? I have my tarot deck here. I've got my Oracle deck over there, like and those are all wonderful things.

Sonja Grace 1:07:36
They are, but they're tools, like anything. They're tools. They're tools. And you know, if there's one thing that my native culture really has taught me, is we, yes, we need to be humble and we need to walk as what we say, a good red road. You know, we have to, we have to be mindful that other people have feelings. They matter. They when they need our compassion, they need our love. They might not have what you have, or maybe you have less than them, but you have, you know, your your infinite soul inside of you that's guiding you. There's, there's so much to spiritualism that, like I said, has become a bit of an addiction. People running off to an Ayahuasca ceremony and then running off to do psychedelics, and then smoking pot, and, you know, all these things that, yeah, done in a very ceremonial way might help you open up, get to what you need to get to, people with PTSD, people in military, absolutely, But, but we I feel it's so important that we know what that content is inside of us, that we do that deep exploration of emotional wounds and trauma, so that we can then approach that spiritual path from a place of grounded, focused, perseverance.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:24
One thing you were saying in regards to the lifetimes that you've been a healer. In many lifetimes, I've been told that I've been a monk and a radical, and I was in many lifetimes, I was jailed. And, you know, yeah, you know, I'm sure I was a witch at one point, many lifetimes I was speaking to,

Sonja Grace 1:09:44
I was in Scotland. You were, you're, you were a woman in that lifetime. And you were, you had your thumbs and your toe, your big toes tied together, and you were pushed in the moat and and, and if you drowned, you were definitely a witch. If you sir. Survived it, then you were killed and given a Christian burial. That's how you died in that lifetime, being a witch. I just saw it really clear. Wow, yeah, sorry.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:07
I was like, I didn't know you did past life, past life reading as well that's fascinating. But I was talking to a guest. He was a ex military Special Forces, and he's done a lot of what special forces do around the world, just like that. And he spent a lot of time in the jungles of South America, and there, he wouldn't go to a village, and he would meet the medicine man, and one medicine that one day he had a session with this medicine man in the jungle. Yeah, and he basically asked him, Why? Why he's a very deep, I'd love to his name is tulam. I love him. He has very deep spiritual aspect to him, even being a warrior. And he asked, like, why am I like this? Because he there was a sadness to him that he he was a warrior in this life. Yeah, had to do what he did as a warrior. And the medicine man said, Well, that's you. That's your breed. He goes, What do you mean? He goes, it's like a dog breed. Your your warrior. You have been warrior in many, many, many lifetimes. That's what you know, and that's why you're drawn to it every single, yeah, lifetime. So it's similar to you as a healer, similar to me as a communicator, or, I guess, a spiritual person.

Sonja Grace 1:11:39
Yeah, you're drawn to it well, and even, you know, as a healer, what I see with people is someone will come to me, you know, I broke my leg. Can you work on the bone? I need help. You know, healing this quickly because I've got a marathon director, no,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:58
I gotta go up to Mount. Everest, right? Can you hook me up, please?

Sonja Grace 1:12:02
So, so I'm working on their leg, but I'm also looking at the cycle. And there it is, the background, the background, last lifetime, killed in Vietnam. Leg broken. Quick, reincarnation, lifetime before world war two shot in the leg died from infection. Nick's lifetime acts in the leg. It kept it kept going where it was always the leg and always being either shattered, broken or what off.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:31
So what is it? Is a karmic thing. It's karmic. It just had to constantly karmic. And does he have to clear something for

Sonja Grace 1:12:44
Yeah, go in and I clear it karmically. Yes, I do that.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:47
And now next lifetime, he's not gonna have to deal with that

Sonja Grace 1:12:50
Correct, correct. And a story about that, please. Two women up in Canada called me. They said our brother is in New Mexico. He hasn't talked to us in, I don't know it was like 10-12, years, and our mom is really starting to get worried because he hasn't talked to her either. Can you help us out? And I went back into the lifetime where the whole family had begun, and I told the two, like the soul group, if you will, yeah, as a soul group. And I told the two sisters about it, and I told them in detail what happened, who each person were, what and then I cleared it karmically, okay, they called me the next day and they said, You're not going to believe what happened. I said, Oh yeah, I am. They called me and said that their brother, out of the blue, called their mother and said, I just had to call you. I had the weirdest dream last night, and his dream, verbatim, was the past life that I had told the girls about and head clear.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:03
There was a that was, that's powerful. I spoke to somebody one day. I forgot who it was, but they were telling me about a past life. And in that past life, they were in Scotland, and they were giant, big muscle, you know, six, seven, giant guy, yeah, with, you know, you know, the ax and all, you know, all that stuff. And they were in a battle, and he got chopped, chopped right here with the AX, yeah? Well, in this life, he's had shoulder issues his entire life, entire life, and they don't understand why. They just, like, they didn't understand that there's like, oh, it's karmic, yeah, that's what you're dealing with from that. So in this lifetime, and I've heard this, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, the body is a representation karmically, of where you've been correct in other areas. So if you have a mole and like your back, let's say, and it's a big, big mole that easily could have been a bullet hole that's right from a former life that you. Got shot in the back. That's right. Sometimes it's not painful, but it's just there as a reminder. Yes. So if you're looking at your body and you're like, Oh, I've always had the kink here, yeah, always have this, you know, this, this birthmark, yeah, all that stuff comes from karmic.

Sonja Grace 1:15:14
Yes, yes. I did a past life reading for a woman who was, she's a very successful singer, and in her last life, she was a singer in Singapore. And I told her the whole thing, you know, we were doing a whole past life reading, and she got online and started looking for herself in that last life because it was recent enough. Yeah, yeah. And she found the picture and the woman, and it looked just like her. Stop it. I'm not kidding. And I've read people who were on the USS Arizona when when Pearl Harbor got bombed, and they have found themselves goosebumps. They've found themselves, and they look just like they look in this lifetime.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:04
There has been some online, I've seen some doppelgangers that you look like past pictures from like the 1800s and you're looking like, is that Matthew McConaughey like it like? Is that like actors who just like, identical, identical. They look like they're just in costume. It's fascinating.

Sonja Grace 1:16:22
It is. It's, it's weird,

Alex Ferrari 1:16:24
This whole, this whole experiment, this whole journey of humanity and the soul. It's, it's so deep, so vast, and we have barely scratched, even, not even a scratch on the surface of everything that's and we're just talking about our little planet, our little our little blue marble in the universe. And there's so much more universe out there. It's so much a waste of space. I always say it's a waste of space if there's nothing else out there. I wanted to ask you, in regards to the indigenous side of of you. Is there any prophecies? Is that this side, if you said the left side, is that said, from your from that from that side of you, is there? Have you heard, or have been taught about prophecies, about the future, about our time periods when, like you were talking about the fifth, we're going into the fifth we're in the fifth we're in the fifth dimension. We're in the middle of it, because so many people are so concerned about what's happening right now in the world, and we all feel it, you know? I mean, I've been around since the 70s. World's changed a whole lot since then, every decade was a little bit different vibe. The in the 20s have been insane. We came in like a rocket with the pandemic, and it's just been every year it's just been crazier and crazier. Yeah, so what do you see for humanity currently, in the next year or two, and is there some more vast prophecy that you can cherish, share with us?

Sonja Grace 1:17:59
You know, do you remember the movie Jumanji? Of course, what I hear about the future is like these drums going

Alex Ferrari 1:18:09
Giant rhino is gonna come in at any moment.

Sonja Grace 1:18:14
Oh my gosh, it's so funny. I I think there's prophecies about there's all kinds of prophecies. Of course, Hopi has their prophecies.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:25
Do they have, though, or are they just completely off from each other? These are the prophecies. I mean, you said to hope you have their prophecy.

Sonja Grace 1:18:32
Have their prophecy. I was thinking, you know, Christians have their prophecies. Well, there's that different different groups around the planet have prophecies. What I see is we live in a phase of humanity. So this phase of humanity began when Atlantis fell. Many of us incarnated towards the end of Atlantis. We came and had several lifetimes in Atlantis, like, Oh, let me try this out. Okay, I sign me up. I like it, right? So we have this phase of humanity that's now coming to an end. Does it have to be catastrophic? No, is the earth a part of it? Yes. Does she have to cycle like we do? Yes, will there be some bigger events? Yes, can we handle it? Yes, we can handle it, but we're all slightly dialed in with so many lifetimes and catastrophic things happening in those lifetimes, and many of us having experienced the fall of Atlantis or Lemuria, that we're kind of bracing ourselves like, Oh, God, I remember this. It's PR PTSD. I remember this feeling, you know, and people are getting really, am. Fucked up, interesting, and so I feel it's it's the collective. As a collective, it's up to us, and one of the elements in our soul, body, aside from divine, love and peace, is hope, and it is up to us as a collective to dial into that vibration that we carry in our soul body that is called hope. And if we keep going down the doom and gloom road, and we keep watching Independence Day and god knows what else we can watch that sets us off on edge. You know that it's all going to fall into a rubble and we're going to perish, then we're losing the opportunity to bring hope into our children's lives, and it's our kids who need that, you know, it's like, God, how long did your parents tell you Santa Claus was real, you know? And it was a bummer to find out Santa Claus wasn't real.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:13
What? What? Spoiler. Spoiler. Alert, everybody. Hopefully, if there's any nine year olds watching, I apologize. I apologize. She's, she's, she's making that up. Of course, he's real. Stop it.

Sonja Grace 1:21:28
But our kids really need that hope. And there's that younger generation right now that is trying desperately to find some reason, some semblance as to why it's worth being here and for the parents out there who have children. Man, this is so important because, you know, between iPads and phones and computers and TV, we've lost that thread to nature. And if you really want to know why we're here, we're here because of her, because of the earth, and we're bound to her. Forever. We are bound to her. She may lose her body, this big, beautiful, blue body she has, but she'll go and find another planet and reincarnate just like we do. Her cycles are millions of years long. Ours are much shorter, but we are bound to her. So when she finds another body, guess where we're all going? We're going to go to her and have new bodies and a new experience.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:47
Do you believe that there was a lot of this generation the last 150 years? The amount of technology and advancements that we have gotten dwarf the last 10,000 years or so, if not longer, we did it so quickly, even within our lifetimes, so much has changed so fast. Do you believe it's because of the incar these are incarnated souls from Atlantis, which had advanced technologies, which had advanced ideas that came in are like, oh, where's the phone? We don't have a phone. All right, let's get a phone going, you know. Oh, what's, what's with the horses everywhere. Let's Henry, Henry, come over here. Can we get the car thing going? You know, kind of, does that make sense?

Sonja Grace 1:23:32
It makes sense. And I think to some extent, yes. And I am a very firm believer that there are extraterrestrials that have come and imparted wisdom to certain scientists and people on the earth.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:50
And when you and when you say extraterrestrials, you know, a lot of people are like, Oh, we're going into that world. But that's something that's been talked about in native cultures throughout time, the star people, it's ingrained in the cultures of that. And then also, just going back to the Sumerian tablets of the Anunnaki that, you know, they decided to sit down carve out this story. I don't think they were writing fiction at the time, at least they, I mean, it was, you know what I mean, and all of that kind of stuff. So there is a basis for this. It's not just tinfoil hat theory. Now, this is a real old idea.

Sonja Grace 1:24:28
I went out into the field, you know? We shot a documentary called Spirit traveler, looking into the past to find a better future, right? And we went into Utah and hiked way back into the the rocks around Zion or No, we were, we were by love. Oh, I can't think of it southern. It's Southern Utah. Okay? I. So we're up in the rocks, and we come to a site that's got pictographs and all kinds of stuff. Obviously, people had lived there, and there were small red hand prints on the wall, small all over hand prints, and then in the middle of it, one very large handprint with fingers this long and little suction cup tops of the fingers. Yeah, and I think that peoples have been visited and infiltrated by Star people for a long, long time. A long, long time.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:44
I mean, it's in every culture around the world.

Sonja Grace 1:25:46
It is every culture. It is and and we compared Hopi culture and we compared Celtic culture and circular things created by those two cultures. So it's a really fascinating documentary, but this handprint is like, Yeah, I mean, you can't, I mean, I'm standing in front of it going, this is not

Alex Ferrari 1:26:12
Right. Well, I mean, the concept of pyramids being around the entire planet and technically, should have never been speaking to each other, right? You know how the Mayans were building pyramids, and the Egyptians and the Japanese were

Sonja Grace 1:26:23
And the Giants move. The Giants move. When I went to Easter Island, they okay. So I went to Easter Island, and they wanted to show me how the big heads on Easter they're really bodies, yeah, how they got they are,

Alex Ferrari 1:26:39
They are bodies, yeah, they found that out now, yeah,

Sonja Grace 1:26:41
The Giants move, who I'd met back at the Great Pyramid, they showed up. They said, We're gonna take you where we come from. And we went up, just like I did with my guides, up, up, up, up. And we were on a planet in the Pegasus constellation, where they come from. And there were pyramids. There were pyramids on this planet.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:09
What is about? What is about the pyramid that's so powerful? Is it this the actual sacred geometry of it?

Sonja Grace 1:27:15
Yes, and the fact that it is a stable it's like a marker. It's like a marker, mile marker, almost, yeah, right, a mile marker for where, for where that energy is collected and formulated for.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:33
So, in other words, it's the sacred energy grid of the of the planet. And these, these, and they're all on the tropic. Of you read my I was about to say that all these pyramids, you don't find pyramids down in the deeps of South America or in South Africa. No, you find them all around the Tropic of Cancer. Yeah, that's where all of them are. They're all lined up around the exact same that's right area. Yeah. It's fascinating.

Sonja Grace 1:27:57
It is. But I think the giant smoo are, are the architects of those, and I think they've helped humanity many times. Maybe they'll come back and help us again.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:09
I'm curious what would happen if they did, like, how would we react to it?

Sonja Grace 1:28:14
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of things. How are we going to react

Alex Ferrari 1:28:17
Oh, man, if Jesus came back today, what do you think would happen? I mean, like, it's, yeah, he would not be accepted. I don't think,

Sonja Grace 1:28:24
Well, I think half the half the populace at this point would say, oh, that's AI.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:30
That's, that's visual effects. That's not real. That's right, that's not real because we're so we're so cynical.

Sonja Grace 1:28:37
Oh god, we're cynical. We are so cynical. I tell people all the time, that guy standing in front of you could be Jesus. It could bite you in the nose, and you wouldn't know it, because you are so disconnected from paying attention. We've just we desensitized to each other, to the human contact experience, and we're in our phones, we're in our electronics, we're we're starting to float away with AI now. I mean, that's happening.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:11
Oh, very much. So where do you think, Sonia, where do you think that we are going to go as a species, as a collective? Because it seems that anytime that humanity is given a new toy, a new technology, we go all in, yeah, on all of it. Jen, I mean, it takes a minute to accustom to it, but they really go all into it. The idea of of social media and the internet, it's a very powerful tool, and it makes our lives in many ways better, but also, you know, we're more connected than we've ever been, but we're lonelier than we've ever been. That's right, you know, because you and I remember a time prior to the internet, that's right, and what the life in life, what life was like. You know, a lot of people have been. Saying that peak humanity was the 90s, like, that's peak humanity was right before the internet came in, right? And people were still talking to each other. They had social skills. Where do you think? You know, with ai, ai is a very interesting concept, an idea. It is a very powerful tool, and only getting more powerful on a daily basis, right? It's really scary how fast it's growing. I mean, scrolling so so fast. Yeah, I see a world where, you know, we are in holodecks. We're experiencing, we're experiencing things, not even just being in a holodeck, interacting, touching, feel. I don't know how that technology would work, but I can see, I can see where that's going, maybe in our lifetimes, maybe not in our lifetimes. But I see that for humanity. But 100 years from now, we're, I mean, the technology, if we survive, if we're all, if we could all just make it through this.

Sonja Grace 1:30:53
I just want a Star Trek suit. I know, right? I'm like, if I had a Star Trek suit, I wouldn't have to pack a bag and do all that crap. Yeah, you just hit a button and you got your suit on.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:05
And the food, the little food maker, is really nice. That's always like, I would like a filet mignon. Okay? Thank you very much. That's very nice. You know, there's a lot of Star Trek was, you know, I'm a Star Wars, dude, but I do love Star Trek. I'm a total trek. I love, I do really love Star Trek and the vision of the future that gene had, yeah, generome was so beautiful. Yeah, it was inclusive, very inclusive. Every culture was represented there, and, and,

Sonja Grace 1:31:33
And it was all about making peace with right people and beings. Yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:38
It was just such a beautiful thing. So my question is, where do you think this is all gonna go? You know, how do you how do you have you seen anything, if you have, but in general, just within the next 100 years, where are we gonna be?

Sonja Grace 1:31:52
I think we're going to have a complete shift in our society, how we live, what the parameters are, because many people's jobs will be taken by AI. So we're going to have to subsidize those people. People are going to have to have something to live on. And I think we're going to be sort of this combination of an organic beginning and a bit of a Star Trek, kind of environment, concept, a way of living. I don't see anybody perishing. I just see us having to be flexible to change and grow with, with what's coming in terms of AI,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:45
You know, it's really fascinating, as you're talking about this, I was, I just projected myself out as a soul looking down on the earth. Yeah, and I'm and we're hanging out at the coffee shops and in heaven, or whatever you like to call it, we're having coffee, obviously the best coffee ever, and we're looking or like, Hey, what's going on down on Earth? Last time I was there was, oof, it's pretty rough down there. How's it going? And it's 500 years in the future, and I'm just looking at it from my own human eyes right now, going, Wow, that'd be kind of cool. Look at all the cool stuff they got going on down there. Oh, that's interesting. Where are they spiritually? Oh, this would be kind of fun. Let me go in to that, because we have these kind of fantasies of, like, what would it have been like to been in ancient Egypt, right? Or in ancient Rome, or in different countries at certain different times of human history, right? You know, in America, when America was just really becoming America, yes, you know, or Europe when it was becoming Europe, or, you know, or China, when it was becoming China, all this kind of stuff. It's fascinating, but it's really cool to think about, like, oh, I wouldn't mind just dive in there a little bit and have some fun. And the first time I've ever actually thought about that in that way, that like, but that's how a soul would look at a planet or look at its society and go, that's kind of cool. I haven't experienced that before. Let me go down there and figure that out and feel it is that makes sense.

Sonja Grace 1:34:10
Yeah, it does. It makes sense. But I think as far as the future goes, I think the wild card is the planet, and let's not forget, Earth is married to the sun, and the sun will, you know, blast us a good one with solar flares to remind us who's in charge.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:36
You mean the world, the universe doesn't revolve around us?

Sonja Grace 1:34:39
Yeah, right. Right. So I think, I think that there's some, some really good things in the future. But I also, I think it's important that people not be naive to the fact that there are cycles. Here we are again, cycles that the Earth has. That are going to repeat, they will repeat, and we're living on her back, so suck it up.

Alex Ferrari 1:35:13
You never hear that term in younger generations. No, no, and same here, you know, as a Gen X, or you're like, suck it up, man. Like, what's wrong, right? I mean, we drank hose water and we survived. You know, we had metal we had metal slides that gave us third degree burns as we went out. That's right, monkey bars that went up six stories and there was nothing but cement at the bottom. Nothing, nothing, no soft, little pieces of wood, no rubber, right? Boom, you broke your leg. Well, you won't do that again. Let's move on.

Sonja Grace 1:35:54
It's, it's, we were like a we're like a gang. We were riding our bikes all over the neighborhood and staying out until dark.

Alex Ferrari 1:36:03
It's like Mad Max, but when that dark hit, though you better be better be home, yep, or there was no cell phones. There's no location trackers. I know you know, my kids have my kids. My kids have their friends give them their tracking, yeah, do you know that? I didn't know that was the new thing. I was like, Wait a minute. You know where your friend is right now? Oh yeah, she's, oh yeah, she's at the mall right now. Like, you know my other friends at home right now? I'm like, how do you what is because you have to get permission. You give them the term, like, yeah, you can let me know you know where I am all the time. And like, you and I were, like, both horrified at that right now, like, I don't know.

Sonja Grace 1:36:44
No, no, no, I was in the woods. That's where I want to be. I was hanging out in the trees, right? I mean, yeah, yeah, oh my god, the connectivity that we're talking about is so about the Earth, you know, and why we came here. And when I see people disconnecting from the planet, it's like, no, that's why you're here. Go hiking, go, you know, go walk by the lake, go to a river, go experience this planet.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:19
So Sonia, if there's somebody watching now who's really kind of feels lost and uncertain about where things are going, is there any advice, any words of wisdom that you can give them to kind of deal with what's happening?

Sonja Grace 1:37:31
Yeah. First of all, we are at a very important time where a lot of things are coming together, and we can be a part of that coming together by simply raising our vibration by sitting down and meditating. That's that's all that's required is sit down and meditate. And if you don't have it in you to sit down and meditate, watch your favorite movie, watch something funny, laugh out loud. Bring your energy up, because when you're in a higher frequency, all these things that are coming together will be more tolerable and will be less scary. And the last piece is we must light a fire under our hope. We must because as a collective, it is our hope that will keep the human species continuing, and certainly will help our children to usher in a new phase of humanity. And we definitely need that. We need it.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:48
Sonia, where can people find out more about you, your books, your projects and getting a hold of you?

Sonja Grace 1:38:55
Yeah, my website. Sonja, S O, N, J, A, Grace, G, R, A, C, E .com, I'm on Instagram, the real Sonja Grace. Facebook, you can find me all over the place, but I've got tons of books, and so I was telling you in the green room, I've got some a feature film that's under consideration right now, and I've got a whole fiction series that's going to be coming out. And, yeah, I'm very excited.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:24
That's awesome, yeah. And so, yeah, do you have any final words or messages for the audience?

Sonja Grace 1:39:30
Mind your chakras. No, no. Just stay grounded. You know? I mean, I know it's hard to be grounded nowadays, and luckily, we have things like grounding sheets and PEMF mats and all these cool things that you can buy, but go outside barefoot and stand in the grass, stand on the dirt and get yourself grounded, because it's going to help you to manage. Your life a lot better. It's going to lower your stress, going to lower your blood pressure, and it's going to help you to really connect your physical body with the very energy that we were meant to connect with. That's why we're here, is because of her. So please go out and ground and keep your hope alive, because hope is everything for the generations that are coming.

Alex Ferrari 1:40:28
Sonja, it has been such a pleasure talking to you, and thank you so much for being here and and thank you for all the work you're doing to help awaken this planet. So I appreciate you.

Sonja Grace 1:40:36
Thanks.