A Love Story Near Death Experience with Scarlett L. Heinbuch

Alex Ferrari 0:00
Can you tell us what the shared death experience was all about?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 0:05
I no longer was in my body. I was out of my body in another realm, but this time I was conscious. I wasn't asleep. I was in another realm, in that place of love and peace and safety and indescribable knowing and awareness. I describe it as like having billions of little dots of liquid, love light. It's not wet. But I don't know any terms and to describe it any other way, and my hand was holding the hand of the spirit of this man, and that's where we met, here, there he was, and it was like, my heart totally open and I knew him. It was like, Oh, I love this man. I've always known this man, always forever, and I have in this awareness, and I knew everything about him, everything and he knew everything about me, and we were just embraced in this love together while he's in his near death experience hovering out of his body ready to go.

Alex Ferrari 1:26
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show Scarlett L. Heinbuch, how you doing Scarlett?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 1:51
I'm well. How are you, Alex?

Alex Ferrari 1:53
I'm doing I'm doing well. Thank you so much for coming on the show. You know we're going to talk about how you died and how you came back, and what you saw and what happened. And your story is, I've spoken to easily over 100 near death experiences at this point in my career. Yours stands very apart from everybody else because of the uniqueness of it. But before we jump in to when you died and came back, what was your life like before, before your near death experience.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 2:22
It's very interesting, because the near death experience, the first, well, the the real one I had, was when I was four years old. So I was a child, and having that experience as a child is a very unique type of thing, because when you're that young, Alex, there's no before or after. There's only the experience that day that shapes you and you just, you just accept it. So would you like me to share a little bit about that, please? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, I, you know, it was June, and I'm not shy about my age, because I'm grateful that I've lived this long. But this was 1964 and back in that day, you had to wear these little rubbery kind of things on your head, because I guess it was a hygiene issue to keep your hair in place and also not get in your face. So and had little scallops on it. So I'm wearing this very and it pulled your your hair. So we were out swimming, and my older sister, who's only 13 months older, and I were both in the shallow end of the pool. My 18 month old brother was off in a little kiddie pool, and my mom was there. It was crowded, hot summer day, and I was bobbing back, back, back, and then my feet didn't touch the bottom, and I didn't know how to swim. And there, you know, mom just was trying to keep an eye on us. There was a lifeguard the whole nine yards. But that didn't stop what happened next, which was I started swallowing water, and I started flailing, and I just couldn't get any grip. So then I just kept swallowing water, and then everything went dark. And then I'm aware that I'm hovering at the edge of the pool, and I'm seeing the physical me on the bottom of the pool with that little pink scallop cap, and I'm aware that that's me too. So I never had any doubt about being out of my body and that there's a consciousness out outside of my body, even if I didn't even have any understanding of that those words or language. But in any case, I'm hovering there. I'm now surrounded by just this incredible feeling of peace and love and safety. Just in my my childhood wasn't like that. It was pretty turbulent. So being in that, that air, just that whole space of love and peace, was so compelling, I didn't want to come back from it. And again, being four years old, it's hard to have words, but the knowing that came into my mind. About life and awareness and my mother. I could feel my mother's awareness that I wasn't there. And she later told me about she's a nurse, but she looked around, didn't see my little pink cat bobbing, and then came to the pool and saw me on the bottom of it, and that's when she dived in and got me out, and she told me later, she said, you know you were blue and not breathing, and for a while you weren't with us, but being a nurse, she knew how to revive me, which is what she did. But here's the thing I knew. I knew I had a choice. I didn't have to come back and but I was aware of her feelings. I was aware of this life journey. I knew it was not going to be easy, but I love my mother so much that I knew she would never, ever get over this if I, if I didn't come back, her guilt, her feelings, her love for me, and her just, just her mother's heart would be broken. So I knew I had that choice, and I chose to come back out of love for my mom. And so that's what happened. So I wake up on the side of the pool, on my side, I'm spitting up water, and I'm back, and I never had one doubt that now having that experience of being out of my body and floating in that love and that light and that peace, that that was very real, too. But here's the thing. At four years old, I didn't understand that that portal. Now that's word I use, because that portal to the other side didn't close. So what happened was, as the years went on, I was able to just get out of my body. I was able to astral project terms I didn't even know. Now we're talking again the 60s, this is way before you had terms like near death experience or out of body experience. So there wasn't any language for this, and there certainly wasn't much support. You know, when you're explaining, oh, I'm at grandma's and I'm floating all around the house in my sleep. So, but that's what happened. And you know, so having had and the After Effects, I had so many of the after effects as a child that many adults report, like having psychic awareness, that knowing that intuition, unusual things happen, seeing seeing spirits. Now that was terrifying at four years old and five and six and seven.

Alex Ferrari 7:22
So let's slow down for a second. There's a lot going on here. I want to want there is a lot going on. There's a lot going on here. So before we keep going on, let's second. So when you so when you were floating above yourself at four? I have spoken to children or adults who were who had died as a child, and what I find fascinating is that you're saying something similar, where you understood you just under you just knew what these things were, even though you didn't have the vocabulary right understand consciousness or the grandeur of the universe or the soul and all of this stuff. Were you at even at four, were you religious? Were you already being, you know, kind of going is your family religious or spiritual at all?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 8:09
Well, my parents were not. My grandparents were they went to a Baptist church, and when I was a child, I always wanted to go with them to this so there wasn't any particular understanding of religion, except that I always felt a kinship with with the creator of a universe that I somehow just knew existed. And so I guess I just felt like, well, there is something far greater. I do remember my mother trying to teach us about awareness, and she took us out one time, and we're really, really small, and had us look at the sky, and she said, Who do you think created all of this? And we're, we're thinking, Well, I guess she said, this is the creator, you know, God, or whatever name you want to use. And I just remember feeling that sense of awe that there were stars in the sky, this enormous sky, and I was just this one little person on this planet in it, and who created all of that. And I couldn't even comprehend that, that it was like trying to understand infinity. I knew it intuitively that it was infinity. But again, I didn't have the language, but I just knew it. You know, that's like, oh my gosh,

Alex Ferrari 9:26
Yeah, the concept of infinity is even difficult for an adult to grasp, let alone a four year old. But what I find interesting is that you understood everything that was going on. We said that you knew you had a choice that was an instinctual like something inside of you was saying you have a choice. It wasn't a voice. There wasn't any specific beings or anything around you at that point correct?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 9:50
Correct. It was just a knowing. It was a knowing that in my spiritual journey, whatever choice I made would be okay for my spirit, but whatever choice i. Eight had consequences for others, and that was the knowing too, and so it's hard to describe it as a moral choice that you're making at four years old. I don't even know if morals the right word, but it's an awareness that you do your life impacts others, and every single choice you make impacts others. And so that awareness flooded me at four years old, and I will say to this day, it has stayed with me. I'm aware that I don't make a choice in a vacuum. Every choice I do make impacts others. And I was also aware that others aren't part of me and this family. We're all family and so and having all that love around you, it was it felt like a responsibility to be a loving community member in this planet, in this human family that I was a part of and that I was related to, and that every choice I made impacted others and vice versa, and I had a responsibility or a choice again to determine how I was going to behave in the world. Wasn't going to be loving, wasn't going to be kind, was it going to be helpful? And I came back from that experience with just an open heart, full of compassion for others and care and a healing gift from a young age where I just I just felt such empathy for others. I was acutely aware of people suffering. I could sense it. It didn't matter how old they were. People adults just gravitated toward me, asking me questions about things in their lives that were happening, and I just knew things that there's no way that I could have known. And so, you know, but I just, I didn't know that that was not everybody's experience, till I got older and realized not everybody's operating from the state of awareness at any age. And so it was a little little little tough.

Alex Ferrari 11:58
It's even nowadays, even tougher, that's concerned so you kind of insinuated, and please correct me if wrong when you were saying, like when you died this time, did you any other near death experiences in your life?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 12:12
Well, not quite. I had this shared near death experience, and that's the healing thing and the love story and the very unusual next kind of thing.

Alex Ferrari 12:22
Alright, so we'll get to that in a second. But so when you came back as a four year old, you had you came back with gifts, yes, psychic abilities. You came back with the ability to go out of body at such a young age, I have to ask you, why do you think this happened to you in this life at that age, because, again, speaking to so many near death experiences, I hear the stories like, Well, my life was off track, and this kind of threw me back onto track. Or I was lost, and then I found my path by this near death experience. It was also an exit strategy, like you have exit points like, Hey, do you want to just end this and start start a fresh one? Like, are you done with this one? Did you just like, not like the scenario this? And there's exit ramps throughout your life. You have a choice to like, Hey, do you want to go? Do you want to come? It's up to, why do you think that happened to you at four? Because at four, I'm assuming you weren't lost, and your life wasn't like, oh my god, a four year, oh my god. Why do you think the universe gave you that gift in many ways, at four?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 13:30
Well, that's a great question, and I have pondered it. And I, I, I put this out there, and I, you know, I wrote about it too, when I grew up in an alcoholic home with my father having severe depression and untreated depression, and drank to manage it that made our home life extremely challenging and scary for a sensitive child, which I already was. So when this experience happened, it wasn't a way that I could have left because it was not safe in my home. It did not ever feel safe for me. So this was being floating in that that that bubble of peace and love and safety. Again, it was like this is home. This place is not home, but being here is hard, and so it did give me a choice about the exit point, because who wouldn't want to stay as a child and a cocoon of safety and love and but again, that love is the key, because there's something about safety and love versus loving the human in this earth experience, which was, who was my mother and my sister and brother and my extended family. I love these people very much, and even my father. I just I knew he was wounded, and I didn't know how to help him, but I just knew that this life was not going to be easy, and yet I could. I didn't have to stay in it, but I also knew me not staying in it was going to also, like I said, hurt a lot of people too, in ways that would create that ripple effect throughout time. And to me, the higher calling to love was to step into it and to show up in this life, even as a child this knowing that maybe I could make a difference, maybe I could bring love back, the kind of love I was experiencing, back to this earth, and have a chance to share it with others, to help them understand that we are more than our bodies, that that we have a choice about loving one another and helping each other and just showing up. And, you know, your question is really good. And as we're talking, I'm thinking about a little bit more, because you're asking a question that not many people have asked and and that's really, you know, it was love for my mother, but it was also love for my father, because, again, he was suffering and I didn't, again, these aren't terms you have, right? I didn't know the term depression, I didn't know the term alcoholism, I didn't know any of these things, but I did know human spirit, and I knew my father had a wonderful spirit, but it was somehow not able to come out because of what had happened in his life. So again, this, this is kind of like the healer's call, I guess even at a young age, that if I chose to go on, I'd be okay, but they would not. And so there was a reason I was here,

Alex Ferrari 16:32
And it's a very selfless approach to it too, because you could have just been in this safety and this love and this i That's all I hear. On the other side, generally, is everything is just love, ultimate love. You can't feel it. You understand everything. You know everything. It's it sounds heavenly. Quote, no pun intended. It sounds wonderful. And down here it's a bit rougher. This is a tough school that we're all in. So that shows even at that young age, you had the ability to, or at least the opportunity to understand that at a very deep level, more than your intellectual mind could ever have grasped at that age. It seemed like again, and I've heard this before, you're you were able to understand this knowing was so far beyond the physical intellectual capability of your brain you were it was something so much deeper and that you were exposed to at such a young age, is is fascinating to me. Now, you say you come back with psychic abilities. You come back with being able to go out of body. When you go out of body, I'm assuming it just started to happen. And so you started to train your I'm assuming you later in life, you trained yourself. You trained yourself, you discovered it, or you figured out, Hey, I'm going to go out of body. And, and, you know, things like that. Did you when you spontaneously jumped out of your body? What did you think? Because, generally speaking, it's not normal people.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 17:58
No, you're right. And, and just about again, when these things happened, it was usually in a sleep state I would be. And so when we're talking about we're talking about period statement, states of unconsciousness. For example, I was unconscious at the bottom of a pool and conscious outside of it, in that out of body near death experience. And so when I'm sleeping, I'm also in an unconscious state. It's different than a near death experience, with your body shutting down, but but you're out, you're unconscious. So that's key to what happened next in and so that's what would happen. I usually have these out of body experiences, not through willfulness, but through through sleep. And so I'd find myself floating around, floating down the steps, at my grandparents, going somewhere, or just floating around, or being able to see places, anywhere. It's just like my mind's eye instantaneous. But it wasn't a dream, no, oh, no. I was very aware.

Alex Ferrari 19:03
Yeah, you were very different. It was very different than a dream like state.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 19:07
And there was a time when people I had, my family members, who told me later that they saw my spirit out of body. And that was yes, my cousin revealed this at a family reunion. Again, when I was a small child, we spent a lot of time at my grandparents again because of the turbulence with my family, my immediate parents, and so one day I was my grandfather and my cousin were having a late lunch, and I had they put me down for a nap. So I was pretty young, I guess, still, and this is shortly after that experience. And my cousin reported that they looked up and saw me standing in the kitchen peeking around at them. And grandpa was startled, and he said, You're supposed to be in bed. And clapped his hands like that, and then I disappeared right in front of their eyes. Well, they were both so unnerved, they jumped up and ran to where I was and and I was sound asleep in the bed, and it was the bed was high, so I had to do little steps to get up to it. And there was no way I was faking it. I mean, I was sound asleep, and grandpa was so unnerved and upset. He he told my grandmother about it later. He didn't understand how this could have happened, and he was just really upset. And my cousin was, she was about four years older than I, so she, you know, was still a kid and herself, so she but she didn't really think that much of it. She was like, well, we saw her, we don't know how, but again, there's acceptance when you're a child that the adult mind that wants to tear everything apart. Or, how did this happen? Where the kids are like, well, this happened. Okay,

Alex Ferrari 20:50
So life is, yeah,

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 20:52
But apparently it was very unnerving for him, and you know, so to hear, you know now, and we know that term by location, where you can be one place and that's what happened?

Alex Ferrari 21:06
Yeah, so it's interesting, because this is an out of body experience, but this is also bio location. Yes, sounds very Yogi esque. Yogis are known for that power, to be able to bio locate themselves while they're meditative, to be across town, another part of the world, anywhere you want, you can project yourself as you were going through all of this experiences, the out of body, and I'm assuming the psychic abilities you're saying that you were seeing, you were seeing ghosts. And so now, now you're medium. You're a medium as well. So now you're a psychic, out of body medium, death experiencer. I'm just, I'm just checking off the credentials as we go through this, as I'm unpacking this Scarlet, okay, you're a medium too. So you're seeing as, how old were you when you started seeing, you know, spirit,

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 22:00
Right! It's right after,

Alex Ferrari 22:02
Yeah, nobody around you that's going to guide you through this.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 22:06
No, it was terrifying. And lots of times I saw just scary faces. I didn't even know who they were. And this would happen at bedtime, and when the darks, I was scared of the dark. And you know, that's one of the things I look back on and realize that no one told me I could say no or tell them to go away or put up a shield. No one knew this, because, again, what do you say? I saw these scary faces. Oh, well, you're just whatever. It's always dismissed. But it wasn't dismissive in my mind, because I was, I was frightened, and then when, when someone in our family would die, I'd have a visit, that was frightening. So these weren't things I sought out. I had never been one just to seek out or but because I had that unusual sensitivity, and a lot of times it was in that either unconscious state they did contact through dreams, or in a conscious state, when I was partially falling asleep and but the awareness is so shifted that, you know, it's not a dream. It's very different from that and you know, and then, then I had the telephone call from a deceased relative, and a time when this was before that was even discussed. This was in the 70s. Would you like to hear a little more about that? Yes, okay, well, my aunt, my mother's only sister, who was significantly older than her and was more like a mother figure, died at 50 years old, and this was in 1975 and she was my mother was just heartbroken. The mom just took it so bad. She went to a terrible depression. It was very sudden. Her sister had breast cancer that was diagnosed too late. And back then, in the mid 70s, treatments weren't very advanced, and it was just boom, diagnosis, and then she's gone, and my mother, again, just went to this terrible spiral. So one night I her, I had a dream that my aunt was there, and this was just days after she passed and and she was standing there, and she didn't look good. She looked scary to me, kind of like maybe she was decaying in their physical form. And I'm this is again, horrifying, but she was, she was saying, Please tell your mother to stop grieving. She's holding me back. And that was the message. And I woke up from that with heart pounding, feeling frightened. And why would I see my aunt looking like this? You know? Because most of the spirits either even if they look scary, it wasn't like a physical decomp, and that's what it was looking

Alex Ferrari 24:51
It wasn't Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 24:54
No. So later, I learned more about why that happened in the etheric body when it. Shows up. It may look like it as it's piecing out from the physical existence to whatever the spiritual, etheric space, but that's how she appeared to me. And again, it was not a good thing in terms of my response. I was frightened, but I did share the message with my mother and then my grandmother her there, her mother told, told her too, that later that week, she also had a visit from my aunt in her bedroom where she saw my aunt looking okay, but the same message, and grandma was wide awake, and she said she came to me and said to tell you, please, to stop grieving. You're holding her back. So grandma was sensitive. She was a Pennsylvania Dutch woman. She was very tough, but she had that Pennsylvania Dutch she'd grown up with a powower, which is the term that the healing terms that the Pennsylvania Dutch use, and we can get into all that later. But so there was a awareness and understanding that, you know, things can happen outside of the normal realms. So so when my aunt showed up and Grandma told my mother that mom still could not get out of her depression, so about a few months later, I was at home, and this, again, was 1975 back then, they had the rotary dial phones that plugged in. So the, you know, no one even knows what that looks like anymore, but that's what we had. And we lived in the country at that time, and which meant we were on a party line, meaning, you know, you could share the phone with anybody. Could kind of listen in, unless they the people who operated the phone kind of cut it off so and sometimes connections weren't as robust as you would like, anyway, but it was the middle of the day. I just gotten home from school late afternoon, and I was home by myself, and the phone rang, so I picked it up, and I hear this crackling on the phone line like static, crackly. And then I heard my aunt Say my name, and I recognized her voice even through the crackle. And I said, aunt, her name is Marguerite. I sent Marguerite, and she said, Hi, honey. And I said, Aunt Marguerite, you're dead. She said, I know, Crackle, crackle. Please tell your mother to stop grieving. She's holding me back. Well, I can't tell you the line one dead, because what happened was I slam the phone down. I was so freaked out. I had goosebumps. My whole body was chilled because, again, electrostatic reaction, magnetic, whatever it is, with that kind of contact with another realm. But I'm not parsing that out my brain. I'm just having the experience. I'm a teenager. I'm scared. I'm having a phone call from my dead Aunt, how in the middle of the afternoon, I'm not asleep. This is not a dream, and I ran outside pointless. I mean, it's not like her spirit was going to chase me, but it was just a panicked reaction. I had never, at that time, heard of phone calls from a deceased relative. I didn't even know that was even possible. Now, you see all the books about it, and so it's all all in, but not back then.

Alex Ferrari 28:26
So the phone line didn't go dead. It was dead originally. But anyway, sorry, especially, yeah. But So with all of this stuff happening to you at this age, and now you're a teenager, and this is weird. Stuff seems to have been going on with you again and again. How did you psychologically start to process this? Because there's no one guiding you. I've heard people go through this, but then the grandma comes in, her mom comes in. Oh, you've got the gift now. Oh, this happened to your grand. Like there was. It doesn't seem like any of that has ever happened to you. So you have to deal with this and also be dealing with the teenage, being a teenager, right, own thing itself,

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 29:09
And growing up in the turbulent home. So one of the things that I always considered my saving grace was a desire to learn. And so I would try to read, research, find everything I could about what was happening. And in the mid 70s, that's when UVA had started the work with Dr Ian Stevenson, doing research into reincarnation. And also at Duke University, JB Ryan had started the the whole thing. And I think that was in the 70s or 80s. I'm trying to know it was the 70s, so again, trying to understand what they call parapsychology. And so I began to learn more about this and and learn that, for example, when they would use, like the the Zener cards or whatever, I'm not any good at that kind of thing. I what I did do was I volunteered at a crisis. Center, an after school center. I did after school tutoring. I was a peer teen counselor for peer groups, so I tried to do things that were helpful.

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Scarlett L. Heinbuch 31:28
And at the center where I volunteered, there was a man there who was a retired engineer who was very interested in all the work that Stanford was doing in remote viewing at that time, and so we would do remote viewing experiments to try to see if we could locate runaway children. And so I'm not an artist, so we would try, but what I could do was kind of get a sense of the children's feel feelings, and so I'd send them a message to call come home, and we began to have some responses. Now, again, it could have been unrelated, you know, but kids started calling home shortly after, we were trying to contact them remotely so, and that was again, as a teenager to me that was trying to help and heal. Help and heal seemed to be everything that I was doing. I also was a hard worker, because our home life was turbulent, my way of coping was to work hard. So I worked two jobs in high school. I worked at $1 general, if it's okay to say, I worked in the afternoons and early evenings, and then the other times, I worked at a hamburger stand in town, and I learned how to make change, so I can still do that today, how to count up. No one can do that with the computers and everything telling you. But these were skills I'm very practical, but everything I did and then volunteering, so I kept myself busy, and I kept myself with things that would help me to ensure my freedom by working and saving money and helping people along the way. And you know, like I'm 16 and I have my first bank account and I bought my own car, these were things being very independent. I and I'm not going to say that I was fearless, but I knew, I just knew that things were going to be okay, and even if they weren't, they were still going to be okay. And I think that was because of that near death and experience at four, I knew of things ultimately would be okay. I knew I knew I would be and that if something happened in this life and that i i left it whenever I was still going to be okay. So why not do those things and take that chance or make that decision and try these things. I'm not gonna say everything's gone great or that I didn't make bad decisions, because I'm still a human being, and when a child grows up in an alcoholic home or in a turbulent situation, you know you you have work to do on your own wounds to heal and and and your own blind spots, and so that's as a human being, I just still had to work on that having, as I've said to others, you know, having a spiritual awareness and a connection doesn't make you exempt from life's pain or making bad decisions or or being with people who other who do make bad decisions, and now you have to to cope with that. How are you going to cope your question is always, what am I going to do in this situation that is going to show some love and care and and help my spirit evolve? And so these are questions that I hold. I'm not going to say that I don't always get it right, or that I do always get it right, but I but I'm aware when I don't, and and I'm also aware that even when I don't, it's okay, there may be a spiritual lesson for somebody else in that moment. But. But there's always a lesson for me, and that's, did I do my best here? Did I did I bring love to this situation? Where did I fall short? And what can I do better next time? It's an ever evolving growth process.

Alex Ferrari 35:13
So Scarlett, you've had a weird life.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 35:19
That sums it right up, story

Alex Ferrari 35:22
Saying that with all the love in the world, it's life so far,

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 35:26
It's about to get weirder.

Alex Ferrari 35:30
And I was about to say, and that was just the appetizer for the another weird situation that happened to you. So can you tell us what the shared death experience was all about.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 35:42
I will fast forward 41 years at this point, I'm a single mom. I have two sons with disabilities. I'm in a PhD program in Public Policy and Administration, having gotten my master's in public health to help my kids, and I'd also gotten certified in Reiki to help my children. So again, that was a healing thing. I didn't want to be a nurse. I just wanted to have some skills to help my help my boys and and also found that this healing and working with energy and that more formalized way was was really helpful for others and also very soothing for me. So I'd done the the Reiki, as I mentioned, growing up in an alcoholic home doesn't exempt you from from things, and also increases your risk too. One of the things that I had done at that time was I felt I was drinking too much, and then we're talking 20 years ago now, when this happened, it'll be 20 years this fall, and we you know, so I felt I was drinking too much, so I had taken myself to some, you know, 12 step recovery meetings and but I'd stopped going because I was a busy grad student. I was also teaching at the college where I was in getting my graduate work done, and it was a marriage and family relationships class, which was very interesting. And so I was having all kinds of things, but I was broke. I was broke, so I had gone to this meeting, and I'd heard about this man who had gotten desperately, desperately ill that everybody knew, but I did not, and his mother had been called to come in from San Francisco after on going into the fourth week to come to Richmond because her son was she'd gotten the call to come say goodbye. So I got a call to go that meeting that night, and I like stopped for a friend of mine who was picking up a coin to celebrate 20 years for her. So I said I'd go and I see people I haven't seen in a long time, and they're all standing around crying because his mother just gotten back from the hospital to come to this meeting to thank everybody for all they had done to help her son and give him good community while he had been here, because he had just come out from the west coast to do a contract job, but now he was dying, and so she said she'd signed the funeral directives that day, we went on had the meeting, and people are just really upset and and, but something about her really touched my heart, and even though I didn't know her son, I just knew as a parent how hard it is to lose a child and at any age. And so, you know, at the end of the meeting, I went up to her, and I was going to say, Hey, I'm really sorry about this, but instead, I said, I don't think you should give up hope. And to this day, it's one of those moments where, why did that come out of my mouth? Because my head immediately kicked in with, well, what are you saying? She's already told you that she signed the funeral papers. They told her he's not going to survive, and she's here to say goodbye, or he did, and, and, but spirit was in charge at that moment, so I asked her for permission if she would like to go pray, maybe do some Reiki with him, telling her, I certainly can't promise a thing, but if you want me to do maybe go Hold his hand. I've had some experiences with the other side. I'm not afraid if people are going to pass and and I would consider it, you know, a way of extending fellowship to go show up and just be there with him, if she would like that, with full respect. And she said, Well, he's Jewish. And I said, Well, I understand. I'm not going to be disrespectful to anyone. This is not a religious thing. This is just, you know, a spiritual matter. And she said, Well, she said she would get permission, and you know, assuming he's still even with us the next day. So I left the meeting wondering why it even offered this. Because he was desperately ill. And again, when I say desperately ill, he had a very rare form of vasculitis, which meant that all of his systems have shut down. He was on life support. He had not regained consciousness from the paralytic coma he'd been in for going on four weeks. His what had been in respiratory arrest. One of the lungs had collapsed, had double pneumonia, sepsis. He's in bad shape. Is what you bad shape, blood clots. His heart was out of rhythm, and. And his kidneys had been destroyed from the granulomas from the the vascular, vascular illness he had, and so they were also in complete kidney failure. And the problem was, is that they would not regenerate because of the nodules and scars that had occurred so And to top it all off, back then, when someone was in an unresponsive coma. They didn't do the trach, so he'd been doing the throat ventilator and then the feeding tube well with the lung collapsing and the oxygen issue, he had not gotten enough oxygen. Then he had an encephalopathy, so his brain brain injury, so the likelihood of him surviving was at that point, almost impossible, and even if he did, he might have persistent brain injury and would have to be on dialysis for the rest of his life. And if he survived it, it didn't look good. And and later we learned any one of those things could have taken them out, but the combinations we've been told was not survivable, so, but I didn't know all that going in.

Alex Ferrari 41:10
And what I find funny is, like, you know, I could just do a little Reiki, and maybe, like, I find it. I mean, I No disrespect to the Reiki Masters out there, but this sounds like a desperate situation for this, this soul. I don't think Reiki is going to do it.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 41:25
Reiki was not no Reiki. Reiki is a great, great stress reliever. I've seen it do some pretty amazing things. But this when I walked into the room to see him in and again, I'd never seen anyone in total kidney failure, so I didn't realize that the body is completely bloated. So he had that, and he had, you know, all the tubes in his nose and throat and neck and everywhere, and the catheter bag was bone dry because he just failed. The kidney failure was so extreme he wasn't producing anything. And it was, it was awful. You know, being a nurse's kid, I'd grown up with medical terms and heard stories, but I'd never seen anyone that close to death, aside from my father, who had died years before. But seeing on the ventilator and and just seeing this come, this complete stranger who looks so vulnerable, and it was just really, really really opened my heart. And mom had always said, you know, when someone's in a coma, talk to them like they're awake, and never assume that they can't hear you. So, so that's what I did. I went up and introduced myself to him as bad because he didn't know me, and I told him my name and why I was there, and that met his mother and his friends, and that a lot of people loved him, and if he had some unfinished business and wanted to stick around, I was here to try to help him if he could and wanted to, and if he didn't, I was here to help him just go, if he wanted to go, and just know that he was loved and everything would be okay. So I did ask his permission to work with him. And a lot of people are saying, oh, you know, you don't have to ask permission to do healing. Well, yeah, you do, because everybody has a spiritual journey, and people don't want healing foisted on if they don't want it, it's disrespectful. And I've you know, I try to respect everyone's energetic space and what they want and don't want, and it's not up to me to determine what someone's journey is. It's up to them. But I had shown up, and I asked his permission, and I stood there and waited, and I felt a puff of air, and then I thought, Okay, well, he's letting me know it's okay to work with him. So I took his hand, and again, he had all the IV lines and pulse oximeter, all this stuff. So I'm very careful to not dislodge anything. And the nurse in the ICU have put her chair right outside the door, keeping a close eye. So I said what I call affirmative prayer, which is just affirming, is his healing, you know, in a very positive way. So I did that. I did the Reiki treatment. He didn't respond. And I thought, well, I guess this is this. Is it. And I took his hand again to say goodbye and close up with the prayer. But I did feel, I felt a lot of love and connection with him in the spiritual way and but I didn't know him, and I just said, you know, if you're going to go, it's okay, but I could feel his feelings. I could feel some shame and pain, and I was like, Oh man, he's he's not. It was sad. It was like, He's not a good place. So I said, I don't even know why I'm telling you this, but I am. If you decide you want to stick around, I'll make you a promise, and I'll come back, and I will continue to work with you as long as you want me to. So that was my promise. And with the understanding and I said, if you're here tomorrow, I will come back, because I didn't know if he would be, I was kind of shocked he was still alive that day. So I went home and oh, well, the end of that session, let me. Just say what was unusual was I was holding his hand. He had no grip because of the coma, and I couldn't take my hand away. It was like it was fused to his for a moment, and that's when I realized the spirit was reaching back. I was like, okay, so So I repeated, I'd be back tomorrow if he was still here? So I did. I came back, and I came back for 12 days, and then about the fourth day is when we had our shared near death experience, and he had not, yeah. Did you want me to Yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 45:35
So what happened?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 45:36
Well, I went in to do the the healing session, as I had been doing, and I took his hand to say the prayer, and that's when he I no longer was in my body. I was out of my body in another realm. But this time I was conscious. I wasn't asleep. I was in another realm, in that place of love and peace and safety and indescribable knowing and awareness, like when I had had my near death experience at four years old. But this was even beyond that. It was, it was, I describe it as like having billions of little di dots of liquid love light. It's not wet, but I don't know any terms and to describe it any other way. And my hand was holding the hand of the spirit of this man. And there his body, he was hovering out of his body that was in the coma. And that's where we met. Here. There he was. And it was like, my heart totally open, and I knew him. It was like, Oh, I love this man. I've always known this man, always forever, and he's the person of he's the spirit I've always loved forever, and I have in this awareness, and I knew everything about him, everything and he knew everything about me, and we were just embraced in this love together while he's in his near death experience, hovering out of his body ready to go. And I don't know what decision he's going to make, Alex, but this love was so huge that it wasn't selfish at all if he was going to go into the light, into that tunnel, because again, he was hovering. If he was going to go, that's would be joyful for me, because that's what his spirit would want, and that would be giving him such incredible peace. There's not selfish bit in this kind of love. It's so unbelievable. But that's where we were embraced, in this heavenly love. That's the best way, this forever love, this forever time with this spirit that I know is my beloved Well, what do you do with that? Next thing I know, I'm flocked back in my body. I'm standing at the side of his bed. He's still unconscious. He's still desperately ill. He's still clinging to life. God knows how, literally, God knows how. And I'm looking at him now, still bloated, still unconscious, still still this, and I'm like, How have I just met this soul mate who is dying that I don't even know who's a stranger in this life? And yet I felt this incredible bond of love with this being. I don't even know what to do with any of this it. There's no way you can process the feelings, the emotions, the I'm an analyst by nature, too. On top of all this, I'm very analytical. I want evidence, I want to understand things, and I could not wrap my head around this at all. It was, it was so confusing and and it was like being in two worlds at one time. You know, experiencing that love while I'm conscious like that, it just and then to to meet this way, and then then as a human being, then I was like, Oh, but I don't really want him to go. My spirit might be all that lofty, but my human self is like, I've met this, this soul mate. I want to meet. I want to know him. I want to have this experience. But it's not my choice. So I continue to work with him over the next 12 days. And in that time, we had another unusual experience where, and this is where I see things, when I'm falling asleep. And while he was in his room, his kid, he was improving. He started to improve, and obviously he was living, and he continued to hang on and and get a little bit better. But they said his kidneys would never, never come back. You know, ever. You know, they might regain a tiny bit of function, but that's, but that's it, because of the scarring. Well, one night again, you know, falling asleep, I feel like I'm in his room, and I look down and I see him on in the cot, and I see you, and I see four beings that look to me to be blue in color. They're very tall. They look like a medical team in. Like in blue scrubs, but their skin is blue. Everything's blue. And they're at each side of the cot, and I see one that I call the lead doctor, because that's what looked like to me. And the lead doctor is has like a holographic tray in front of them with like blue kidneys on it. And I see these kidneys being descended into his body. This is what I'm perceiving it as, right? And and so they go into his body. And I'm like, What is going on here? Are they giving him an etheric kidney transplant? Am I dreaming? And except that the lead doctor looks up and see nods and that like he can see me hovering there in the corner of the room, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, he's aware of my presence. So then I kind of fell asleep after that, wondering what the heck happened. I woke up super early the next morning, at 630 again, just like I saw these beings. Was that a weird dream, except I get to the hospital and the man, the stranger's name is David, and David's kidneys starting to regain and ramp up and function significantly. So I'm like, I don't know what's going on here, but I do my Reiki work, and I had used aroma therapy music to help with the brain, keep the brain stimulated, you know, all kinds. I was using oils on his feet and acupressure points, all kinds of things to just help expedite so this is way beyond Reiki. And we're also, you know, again, this the power of the spoken word. There's a lot of power in that, particularly when people are unconscious, it's almost like a hypnosis. You're affirming healing. Anyway, the nephrologist who who was examining his kidneys, came in, and the doctors and nurses, at that point, and he was in a Catholic hospital in Richmond, started calling a miracle boy, because his kidneys began to ramp up and exponentially each day increase, so that by the end of 12 days, his kidneys had returned to 100% full functioning with no no medical explanation of how that happened, because it was not possible, given the level of damage that was all documented. So at the end of that period, he regains consciousness, he wakes up, and we get to meet for the first time in life. And you talk about awkward, because he woke up and he knew everything about me. He knew he was going to marry me. He knew he was wildly in love. This is what he says. And he he knew all this, even though he didn't even know me. He never met me, and until, you know I told him, reminded him my name. He didn't even know my name. He just knew he knew me on every level. So he didn't have the conscious memory of the meeting on the other side, but he had the After Effects and the spiritual memory, which is not unusual for someone in a deep coma with heavy medication affecting recall, but he had the spiritual recall. So he didn't tell me any of that the time, of course, but he, you know, I'm just still flummoxed about what had happened. And you know, he was in the middle of a divorce. I didn't know anything about him at the time, and I just was like, I don't see how any of this, you know, I don't understand any of this. So he got better. He flew out to the West Coast to go see his mother over Thanksgiving, or right before Thanksgiving, and his extended family out there, he came back, and then he got sick again from the medications they treated like cancer, and he had too much of the immunosuppressant. And so he was back in the hospital again, again with double pneumonia and nearly dying again. So at that point, I went to go see him and did some conscious healing work with him on his lungs, and, and, and. And that's when he said, You know, I'm gonna, just gonna tell you I love you. And I was like, Well, yes, I love you too. I don't know what we're supposed to do with any of this. And honestly, Alex, I didn't even know who's gonna live. And I was, you know, upset about that, because I wanted him to live. But I had a friend who I had been talking to, and he said, you know, you got to have a glimpse of love. If you even got it for two minutes, that's more than a lot of people ever get in a whole lifetime. So don't be selfish. Accept what you get. It's not up to you, it's up to God or your Creator or your choice, but you got a glimpse of love, and maybe that's all you get. Maybe that's supposed to be enough. And I was like, maybe that is supposed to be enough, because what I glimpsed in conjunction with another being, when you have that kind of love and a shared near death experience, you know it's one thing to have it when you're just by yourself in a near death experience, but when you have it with somebody. Else together. There's something that is so profound about that, that that's what makes this, our experience so unusual, and that's when I'm I didn't even have words for that, and that's why I came up with the term shared near death experience, because we shared it together, and it's different from a shared death experience, because he didn't die, he didn't complete the process. He came back, and later he told me he had a choice too, and he decided to come back. And his body had a miraculous healing. Again, it is unexplained and

Alex Ferrari 55:34
For you, or did he come back for somebody else?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 55:36
He came back and he said, you know, he said he was going to marry me. And I like, okay, you know, as I mentioned, I was teaching the marriage and family relationships class, so I was like, I told my students, you don't want someone who's going to be newly divorced, who's has a catastrophic health situation, who might be having financial issues, you know, whatever. And then one night, one day, when I had still gone to go visit him, he was in the step down unit, and he was saying how, how awful things had been, and why he was going through this process, and and, and I just looked at him, and I took his hand, I said, you know, you have nowhere to go but up. And we boasted. Sat there and laughed. We just laughed. And I was a broke, single mom. He was catastrophically ill and and that's like, I guess we're just going to meet here now and do this journey together. Well, so that's what happened. So we got married 19 years ago. This fall is the 20th anniversary of that encounter in the hospital, of with him, he did make that stunning recovery. His kidneys have been great for the past 20 years. There is no medical explanation. And his med his I'm a I'm a stickler for facts, and so his medical records have been reviewed by multiple doctors, and our story was featured on the TV show the unexplained with William Shatner in the first season. It was only a three minute clip, and of course, they focused on the blue beings and said that I was a great healer, which I'm not. It's really, it's not about me. It's there's a spiritual force, and we had a unique spiritual experience. It doesn't mean that I haven't had good experiences working with people who are also hovering out of body near death, and had some pretty stunning recovery subsequently to that. But what makes our experience unusual is that we got to share it together. We met on that other side and that that bubble of love and came back, and we have been together this whole time now, for going on, 20 years, and that and his health has stayed pretty consistent. I mean, we're getting older, so we have older people health issues, which are normal, but he is a walking miracle. And the other thing is, the prognosis from what he had is it is a chronic condition. People who do survive it, who don't even have the catastrophic levels that he did, maybe live eight years. So we're going on 20.

Alex Ferrari 58:15
That's an amazing car. That is an amazing story. All I see is, like, you know, a movie. My head as a filmmaker, I'm like, Oh, this here, and no, we'll skip, we'll cast Scarlett Johansson as scarlet.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 58:32
Oh, perfect. Okay,

Alex Ferrari 58:35
No, it's a beautiful, beautiful story, and it's just something that I haven't heard before. It's so unique in the near death space. I just again, hundreds and hundreds of people I've spoken to about this stuff. Your story is very, very unique and very powerful and very reaffirming to people about the other side, and also about soul mates and about, you know, finding that connection we all strive for in this life, to find a connection with another person that can witness this ridiculous experience that we're all going through, you know, and be there as a witness, you know, more more than your parents, more than it. There's a very specific bond, you know, like, I have that with my wife, like, oh, okay, where you been, you know, alright, let's just, let's just go, you know, kind of so have. Do you have a message for people who are either going through a death cycle with a loved one, meaning that some, that someone they are, they are loving, is going to die, or they themselves are understanding that they're going to die soon, and they're afraid and they're watching this as something to hold on to as they're as they're going through this process. What message do you have for for those.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 1:00:02
People, the message I would have for people going through facing death, either way, on any side of it, is to remember the truth of who you are, that you are a spiritual being, that people like me are giving you this message for a reason at this time, to understand that you're going to be okay, that there is love nothing but amazing love for you and to please remember also that we are, all of us are human, and we're all going to pass. Pass on. You know, we all are This Too Shall Pass is a scripture that people listen to all what we're experiencing will pass. It is hard to lose somebody in life. It's hard to face our own mortality, but for those who us, who have we know what is on the other side, and we're all giving that collective voice, you hear, you the same thing we're saying, the same things. Our experiences might differ in certain ways, but the universal truth is we're all giving a message of love that our consciousness exists and continues to exist for eternity. And to think of about it this way, we are just one being on this very small planet in one galaxy, in a cosmos of trillions or more galaxies that's expanding that we cannot even comprehend. And there is something so huge that is in charge of all of this, it's not us, and we have to believe that however turbulent this earth journey has been, there is an incredible love and consciousness on the other side, that it's almost like going to sleep and waking up into that other place and and that your loved one, who might be going now ahead of you is just going ahead, and they're going to be there when you get there. And if you're going first, you will be there when they get there. And that that love and that consciousness is still going to keep you connected and love, love always lives. It never dies. Your physical body does, but your love lives on, and your consciousness lives on, and you can, you can trust that. Trust it, and I hope that people are hearing what I'm saying, will listen not to the words, but to the spiritual truth in their hearts, because that's what I'm trying to give. It is a message of hope, but it's a message of healing and it's a message of love and to have a little faith that they that their lives mattered, their spirits are incredibly important, and that they will live on

Alex Ferrari 1:02:53
Beautiful, beautiful message, Scarlet, where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing and Getting this stuff out there in the world.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 1:03:01
My website, which I think you'll you'll post, is, it's just my name, scarlettheinbuch.com, and I did write that book. We met on the other side, and I did it to include resources, documentation and just to tell the story, because it's a lot that happened over those periods and and I'm very honest about my humanity, and I want people to know, you know what? I'm not a saint. You don't have to be a saint to have a spiritual experience or near death experience. You just have to be willing to be open to to love and the journey and see where where it takes you. But they can go to my website. I've posted every interview. I've had any information they have. I'm not doing healing work, right these these minutes, but I do tell people, and I mean this sincerely, I can't often respond back, because, because the TV show aired all over the world and continues to and I can't respond to everybody. But if you do send me a message, I will promise you I will read it. I will pray for you. You will be on my prayer list in the morning and in the evenings, and you can be assured that that will happen, even if I can't get back to you personally so they can find out everything about me on my website and more than they probably want to know in my book.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:20
Fair enough. Fair enough. Scarlett do you have any parting messages for the audience in general?

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 1:04:24
Well, just that I'm grateful for anyone who's listened to what I've had to say, and that I hope that what I didn't have to say inspires them to know that love will show up and find them in the most unexpected ways on this side and on the other.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:40
Scarlett it's been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with all of us, and I, I do appreciate everything you're doing to help awaken this planet. So thank you again.

Scarlett L. Heinbuch 1:04:50
Thank you, Alex.