The Truth About The Pyramids They Tried To Erase with Randall Carlson

Randall Carson 0:00
10,000 years, what's going to be left?

Alex Ferrari 0:02
It doesn't make any logical sense that there isn't some sort of intelligence around this universe.

Randall Carson 0:08
Atheist seems to be afraid of the fact that there could be meaning to all of this, and so they put their faith, and that's what it is, faith in a in a cosmic accident. So when you have these increased periods of rainfall, the pluvial events, I think you have accelerated formation of cave systems. Well, there's no reason to assume that that there wouldn't also be cave systems, and probably, in some cases, enormous ones under the Giza Plateau. Both of them have been hijacked towards the propagation of this system at the expense of truth, in my opinion, and reality. Why is it so outrageous that we can't even speculate?

Alex Ferrari 1:09
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please, like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I like to welcome to the show Randall Carson, how you doing Randall?

Randall Carson 1:32
I'm doing well Alex, thank you, and now I'm doing even better. Sitting here with you.

Alex Ferrari 1:32
I appreciate that, my friend, like I was telling you before we got on, I've been a huge fan of yours. What you and Graham Hancock would have been doing for such a long time, but your work, specifically with the Younger Dryas and and that talking about fighting the good fight out there, and trying to get this information out into the world. And first, before we even get started, thank you so much for being that kind of trailblazer and taking all the arrows in the back, or be the like they say. It's like taking the arrows in the back first over the hill. Is the one with the arrows in their back first through the wall is the bloodiest. That's that's when I think that I think of you and Graham.

Randall Carson 1:40
Okay, well, you know, to be fair to Graham, he's taken a lot more abuse than I have, you know, I don't, but he weathers it, you know. And most of what I've seen launched at Graham doesn't amount to anything at all. It's, you know, even some of the professional archeologists that are attacking them, I've gone through the fine tooth comb some of their critiques and objections and things. And really, there's nothing there. There's, it's a lot of name calling, a lot of, you know, pseudo archeologist racist, or, you know, after ancient apocalypse, you know, he was a racist. He was a white supremacist. He was promoting fascist rhetoric. I mean, it was so ridiculous. It was like, this is almost like something you would expect to see on, you know, on Saturday Night Live or something. Is this. But these people are serious. Do they really think they can put this out there and nobody's going to notice that there's no substance to their argument? There's no rebuttal, no reputation, no debunking. It's just name, name calling, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 3:28
Well, let me so why do you think? And I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Why do you think that the the mainstream archeology, world, archeological, archeological, archeology world, academia, which archeology is essentially academia, if I'm not mistaken, correct?

Randall Carson 3:45
Yes, I would, yeah, certainly, yes, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 3:48
So the mainstream academia has such a problem, and not just archeology, all sciences, right? All all different types, anything that comes along that shifts the paradigm or a new truth, is this, bite, tooth and nail. I mean, it's going back to Galileo for God's sakes. I mean, it's, yes, it's insane. So why do you believe that they are so threatened by this exposed, new knowledge that's coming out?

Randall Carson 4:19
That's a really interesting and important question. I think that the reason is, is because academia has been progressively hijacked by the political sector and is being used as a venue for propagating certain worldviews, certain constructs or models of reality. So you're not allowed to question the dominant narrative. It's that simple, because the whole thing is a house of cards that they've constructed, and they're afraid that if you pull one of those cards out, the whole mess is going to collapse. And I think they're right, and I think they're. Getting desperate. I, you know, one of the things I did after Netflix did Graham Hancock's ancient apocalypse, which I'm quite, quite proud of, the fact of having appeared in it. And, in fact, the climactic episode, you know, we were out there in the out there in the field. Anyways, you know, I went meticulously and methodically through the attacks on him. I must have read 10 or 12, and I noticed several things right away. Number one, it was crystal clear. They're all working from the same talking points, sometimes even at the point where you would read almost word for word, two sentences, you know, and the same ideas over and over again. Oh, he's, he's promoting fascist themes. Because somebody, apparently, in, you know, Hitler's, you know, in the Nazis, looked at something at once upon a time. And therefore, you know, if, if a Nazi went and looked for the Grail, the Holy Grail, which we know they did, and other artifacts, if you talk about that, well now you're somehow invoking Nazism. I mean, that's, that's how ridiculous it was. But the point, I think, was that they get down to there's a model of pre history, and you know what they say. You know whenever, you know, whenever you have a despotic or dictatorial regime or totalitarian regime takes over, one of the things they have to do is erase history. They have to erase the history so that they can reconstruct history to reflect their own narrative. Well, I don't think that the you know the idea now, I guess I'll use this. It's like an exponential curve you've got now, 10,000 10s of 1000s of years of, shall we say, Stone Age existence, and that we never move beyond a stone age existence until the last 10,000 years, and really, specifically within the last 4500 or 5000 years. You know, usually writing is is dated at having first appeared in Sumer in the Middle East, that area between 4,500, and 5,000 years ago. That marks the beginning of history. And that is when the curve began to accelerate exponentially. And we're sort of at the pinnacle, at this point of human development, human evolution on this planet. And in that model, there's no place for a major departure from the model, the curve that they built, and that, I think what we're getting at here is that the evidence is accruing more and more to where it's pointing, that somewhere in the human past on earth, there has been a very sophisticated knowledge and understanding of natural law far beyond what our predecessors have been given credit for. And I think that's a big part of it is we don't want to acknowledge that, that the real history of human civilization on earth may be reflective of the history of life on Earth. Which same thing? It was a it was this curve, the smooth curve where we go from very primitive life forms to ever more complex evolutionary forms, and then suddenly it takes off. And now we're the the pinnacle of creation here on Earth, right? And in that model, which has deep roots in the idea of gradualism, of uniformitarianism, even as human evolution, is based in the model of Darwinian incrementalism, which basically a sense that that the curve, the changes at any given time are so minuscule that they're almost not noticeable. Say so with life, you have the same idea, the same up until the 1980s when that began to change. And of course, what you would probably know Alex, when that what one of the major developments that triggered that change was the discovery that the Earth had been pummeled by a gigantic asteroid some 66 million years ago that caused a mass extinction. So now, right in the middle of Mesozoic, right at the end of Mesozoic life, you have this major transition between Mesozoic and Cenozoic, right? And so that transition was a complete anomaly within the previous models that had prevailed for nearly a century. Again, the term uniformitarianism the present is the key to the past, and which is a very powerful No, it's a very powerful way of of reconstructing events that we are not able. To witness in real time, right? But it's only half the process, and they left out the other half. So it became entrenched dogma by essentially the turn of the 20th century, in the early 1900s up and through the really up until the Second World War. Past the Second World War, the dominant model was very gradualistic change, and the sort of the tagline was one grain of sand, one drop of water at a time. But we've got millions and millions of years to accomplish change within that, anybody who proposed, well, there might have been exceptions to that. There might have been discontinuities within that nice continuum, they were labeled, immediately named, labeled a fringe. You know, they were, they, they were relegated to the fringe. That's what I'm going to try to say. So, you know, when you had these people like Velikovsky stands out as a manual. Velikovsky stands out. So he was, he was, of course, 50% of his stuff was right on, particularly his geological stuff. The other 50% what I would call the astrophysical side of it, didn't make sense. But you know, he was working with what he had in the 1950s but what he did do is he first attempted this fusion or disintegration of modern science as it was mid 20th century, and the legacy, the archaic traditions we'd inherited from our past in the form of myth and legend and folklore and things like that. And he found a congruence there, which I think has held up. Not only has it held up, but I mean, it's been, I think, now, demonstrated over and over again, that that the ancient peoples, our ancestors, of many cultures and all over the world had a much deeper understanding of global change and the things that had, I would even go so far as to say, a scientific understanding. But get to get back to the question. Now, the question you asked is that the we went from this smooth curve like this of life to realizing now, now that we know about the five great mass extinctions, the Permian, Triassic, the andor division, the end, Devonian, plus too many lesser events to even count at this point, is that the real model of life on Earth is more like a sawtooth, right? Okay, the transition that I think is taking place right now that is really the important thing to understand, is that we're we're taking that version of change and realizing that it also applies to human civilization, that human civilization is not really a smooth curve with this at the pinnacle our present one, we're actually looking at a sawtooth. And the fact that we now know that our species, according to the latest anthropological findings, is somewhere between 150 and 200,000 years that we modern humans, Homo sapiens sapiens has been an occupant of this planet. Now, if you figure, let's just go, because I think it's going to end up going, we're going to push it beyond 200,000 years. Now, that's from finding bits of skeletal remains, a piece of a skull, etc, but being able to reconstruct the entire anatomy from a single piece and realize, well, this is one of us. This is like a modern human. Take this guy from 150,000 years ago and take him into the present, dress him up in a suit of clothes or whatever, and you wouldn't know. You wouldn't notice him walking down the street as anything bizarre. So think about this, Alex, if we've got 150 or 200,000 years, how many generations is that? Let me just I've got my calculator right here. I'm going to put in 200,000 years. Then I'm going to divide that by 25 say that's the length of a generation, and that's 8000 generations. Now if you consider how quickly we have come from basically, hunter gatherers, feudalism, etc. To where we're at now we're looking at 2, 3, 400 years, let's say since the scientific revolution, scientific enlightenment, followed by the Industrial Revolution. Let's give them 400 years for the essentially the rise of the modern incarnation of civilization. How easy would it be for 400 years to get lost in the noise of 200,000 years? Of course, I think that, yeah. And I think that's kind of the answer is that there is now a concerted effort to control the narrative, and you don't want it if people start going, well, let's see, what if there were advanced civilizations? And I'm going to, I'm going to put that in quotes advanced, because we have to define what we mean by that. Because a lot of people say, well, there were advanced civilizations. Well, what did they actually look like? And how do you define advanced and then, and then the critics come in. Well. Yes, they that what they're doing is looking in a mirror, and they're trying to imagine, well, if there was just an advanced, advanced against civilization 20,000 years ago, or 100,000 years ago, it would have to look like our, some version of our modern incarnation. And it doesn't have to, probably didn't look anything like a fossil fuel.

Speaker 1 12:13
Exactly. And that's the thing that I find so fascinating with with people that have that argument, is that, like you're looking at the past through our lens, you can't exactly, I even, yeah, you can't imagine another technology that's not fossil fuel based. What if it's what if they figured out solar power? What are they figured out a nuclear power, whether they figured out crystals or cars run on water, all this kind of stuff, any other kind of technology that maybe have the free energy but, but they can't see anything past that. But what I find fascinating is, well, we talk, you talk about the Younger Dryas a whole lot. I do, yeah, and it's, definitely going to dive into that, but and how the Younger Dryas lines up with the time that Plato said Atlantis was around and all of that kind of stuff. And then you start looking into these different rabbit holes, and you start making it starts to make sense. But the one question I want to ask you is, and this goes for everything you were saying, like, when, when dictatorship or something comes in, they whip wipe out history. That's Rome. Rome did the exact same thing with the Christian religion, which Rome eventually turned into the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, and changed and did all of that. So if anything shifts. So like right now, if you and I had proof right now that you can go, Hey, this is irrefutable proof that has been tested 1000 times. Atlantis was real. Here's a videotape that we found of something that we saw in Atlantis time it would shake the foundation of every story or everything we've ever been told, yes, in 1000 different different modalities, different than it would religion, science, everything would change everything Yes, and nobody wants that that are in control or in the narrative. Now is that basically why nobody wants they hear from you, Randall, I don't want to hear about any of your crap stuffs where I'm at?

Randall Carson 17:23
Well, I, yeah, I think you just expressed it in a nutshell. I it comes down to that because there's, there is the dominant paradigm of reality, and it's, it's hierarchical, it's authoritarian, and academia has become a big component of that system. And so there have been pressures on academia to not along with along where I'll put academia has been hijacked along with mainstream media. Oh, both of them have been hijacked towards the propagation of this system at the expense of truth, in my opinion, and reality. And that's, you know, so you've got this, you've got this entrenched elite class that's benefiting off of the current, the dominance of the current paradigm. They don't want to let it go. They just don't want to let it go. And but it's going to happen. I mean, we're on the threshold, I think, of a serious if we want to use the term evolutionary breakthrough, and I'll just mention, I do believe in evolution, but I don't necessarily. I wouldn't put myself in the what do you call it? The I wouldn't put myself in a creationist camp. I wouldn't put myself in the Darwinian camp. Because I look at what's happened in the history of this planet. I look at the complexity of life, of everything. And I go, in my mind, it's like lot of the native, indigenous peoples of North America used to refer to to God or ultimate reality simply, as the great mystery. And that's kind of where I fall, like, what the hell? How do we we? Can we explain this by an accident, you know, which, basically, if you're an atheist, well, it's all a cosmic accident that you and I are sitting here having this conversation now, right, right. On the other hand, there's a sort of an oversimplified creationist of you got this sort of indefinable, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God, right? That has somehow, you know, stage managed the whole thing. And personally, I don't know, I cannot. It almost is too much for me to try to conceptualize God, right, right? It just, it's too much, I, you know. So, like I've said to people, you know, at some point I have to confine my thinking. I have to constrain my thought processes, because otherwise it's just too much. So I basically have limited myself to the metagalactic level of thinking beyond that. No, I just can't deal with it, right? So I like to stick closer to the home to the metagalactic. Level, but I'll start from from here to there. I'll maybe go, Okay, well, let's start with the moon, you know, because right then we'll move on there. Maybe then we'll move from there to Mars and

Alex Ferrari 20:13
And so on and so on, so on and so on so. So one thing I find fascinating is you just laid out a timeline of 200,000 years. You know, conservatively, 200,000 years that you and I in the way that we are form Homo Sapien. Sapien has been around something like that in the last 100 in 50 years. 160 years we have evolved more than the last 5000 on a technological standpoint, on eight, if you want to go down on a consciousness level, on a spiritual level, because things that we just look at now going we don't allow that anymore. It's commonplace. 5075, years ago. How long ago, before women could vote? How about, you know, slavery. These were natural, normal things that's in the Bible, all this kind of stuff. So what I find interesting is that they say that, Oh, yeah, we started 200,000 years ago, and it's been a slow drip of evolution all through that time. And then just about 5000 6000 years ago. That's when things started to rev up, and then there's this curve. What makes more sense to me, and based on your research as well, is that it's our our species is cyclical, meaning that cyclical, yes, it goes up and it goes down. Very much. Saw, like your saw, it goes up and it goes down. So at one point, even in the spiritual text, if you go deep down into the Vedic texts and things like that, they talk about the yugas, the Yuga system of 24,000 years that you know, at one point you're very enlightened, and that's when technology is at the height. And then there's the dark ages all the way at the bottom. That makes much more sense that we have done this many, many times, and it's just been reset again and again by something like the Younger Dryas or other events that might have been able to reset. And people can't wrap their head around that. But if you think for a second, did you ever see the show on History Channel called there's an older show, life after us, or life after man?

Randall Carson 22:18
Oh yeah. In fact, I read the book. There's the book that the companion book, yes, 10,000 years. What's going to be left? Well, they suggested, at the end of the book, they suggested, there'll be two things that that future, that our progeny, 10,000 years from now, could know that we were here or visiting aliens, or whatever one

Alex Ferrari 22:38
And that's if all man was wiped off, the

Randall Carson 22:42
All man just disappeared, just gone. We were just Yeah, we were just removed.

Alex Ferrari 22:46
Buildings are left. Yeah, our buildings are left behind. Our technology's left, correct? That's all that's left. Go ahead.

Randall Carson 22:51
Well, what would be left would be the great pyramids, stone pyramids and Mount Rushmore. I remember that's what they said in the and I'm not convinced about Mount Rushmore. But, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 23:02
No, I don't think Mount Rushmore. They said that the last, one of the last things that would go would be the Hoover Dam in the US.

Randall Carson 23:09
Yeah, maybe it would go. It would definitely go. It'd have to go. It has to go. It would have to go. And because, well, first of all, because pluvial events occur cyclically, pluvial, meaning rainfall, and without somebody to maintain the dam and to open the spillways. Yeah, it would over top. Once that first over topping. I mean, then it's all she wrote for Hoover Dam, Grand Coulee Dam, etc. Yeah. Dams would all go building, high rise buildings. They're all going to go because once the ground systems, the electrical grounding systems corrode, and they're not effective anymore. Now you're going to have lightning strikes, which will cause fires. It will be slow at first, but it'll be an increasingly accelerating process, and by the time you got by 10,000 years, you know, buildings are going to have fallen into rubble, and depending on the the climate and the environment, you know, forests will now be growing where urban areas once were, and unless you knew that you were looking specifically. But even there, you know, one of the things I like to point out is that, you know, we're building a whole urban civilization around the world, essentially using the raw materials that are left over from the last global catastrophe, or the one previous to that. You know, where does gravel come from in nature? Well, gravel comes from extremely catastrophic floods or ice ages, between the combination of glaciers and mega floods. You can completely re sculpt a landscape to where it looks almost nothing like prior factors. Even a term now that's been coined, called glacial fluvial, and that means the combined action of glaciers and ice. And I mean, think about this. We go back. Or 12,000 back to the basically the Younger Dryas coming back to that and then the previous 15 to 20,000 years, we were in the midst of the depths of an ice age where a glacial age where average global temperatures were eight to 10 degrees centigrade, colder than now in many places of the world, and probably no place in the world that wasn't three to five degrees colder, but a lot of the places were, you know, 10 degrees colder center, and that's like 18 degrees Fahrenheit, colder, colder than now. And so people don't really have the capacity, I don't think yet, because we've been educated and to visualize that if we were to go on a time machine back 15,000 years ago, how dramatically different the world would look right here, like next to in Georgia, where I'm at, if I go out to somewhere like Savannah, or, you know, I used to hike and camp out there, like on Cumberland Island and stuff. Okay, that's the coastline. That's the beach. Well, go back to the depths of the late glacial maximum, 15 to 20,000 years ago, when I'm in the middle of a northern forest, and I would have to go another 40 or 50 miles to the east to get to the coastline, right? Sea level is 400 feet lower. Now think about this, during the Ice Age, one of the most benign places you could probably try to build a, you know, establish a settlement, and then eventually grow it into a city or a town or a village or community, would be along the coastlines and and there, the most ideal place along the coastline is going to be near the mouths of rivers, because now you've got, if you set up a settlement there, you've got access to the shallow marine ecologies, so you can harvest that. You've got the rivers carrying resources, fresh water, fish, mollusks, that sort of thing. You can also use the rivers for transport. So those become essentially the optimum places where you would establish just like if we look at the rise of modern civilization, that's exactly what we see. Same thing, same model. We see the first urban areas established for for trade, oceanic trade, or overland trade, and many of those, particularly the the cultures that were that had the seafaring capabilities they would establish their settlements at the mouths of rivers. But here's the thing, if you go back 15, 20,000 years ago, a couple of things have happened. One, sea level rose 400 feet. Okay, so it's drowned millions of square miles of inhabitable land on the earth, right at the same time. Now you've got six to 7 million square miles of Earth covered with glaciers. Those all melt away, right? But then what's left? Where those glaciers were? Not much, you know, certainly not, you know, I mean, certainly no evidence of civilization. Because between the on the the encroachment of the glaciers, which are essentially crushing and pulverizing everything in their path, then the rapid melting of the glaciers, creating mega floods of melt water, whatever the glaciers themselves haven't accomplished, the flowing water will. And of course, the glaciers may be combined to confined to a specific region. We can see from the northern United States up to the Arctic Circle, from the Atlantic to the Pacific. But then those melt water floods, they discharged and covered millions of square miles that were not directly affected by the glaciers. You know, that's why, you know, I take a lot of people out to Washington State, where some of the great floods in the history of the Earth, at least, recent history of their left their imprints in the landscape. And once you spend a week out there immersing yourself in a landscape like that, you come away with pretty altered consciousness about some of the events that have played out on this planet that we inhabit. But I think that's kind of the ideas that we're talking about here, is that there are these disruptions within the continuum of change, and that oftentimes the aftermath of one of these disruptions looks very different than before. And you brought up you mentioned Atlantis. Well, the interesting correlation there is that Plato gave the subsidence of Atlantis following this great war between the Atlantean Empire and the inside the Mediterranean civilization, you know, Egypt and the proto Athenian civilization and whoever else might have been involved.

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Randall Carson 31:02
The they were the Atlanteans were driven out. He doesn't give the exact timeline, but it's implied that shortly thereafter, the convulsion took place. He says that Atlantis subsided, that it was a mid atlantic he described pretty explicitly, I think, as a mid atlantic civilization that evolved on a on an island, or islands in the mid Atlantic and then but he also describes, and people overlook this. He describes that the catastrophe also encompassed Greece, and there was a he describes, essentially an immense erosional event that occurred in Greece, which, of course, would imply rainfall, the term for rainfall pluvial, a pluvial event that and we can look now, and we can see that there is along the Mid Atlantic Ridge, at the meeting point the triple junction where the North Atlantic plate meets the Eurasian plate and the African plate. There is a feature on the bottom of the ocean floor which is referred to by marine geologists as a microcontinent, and there are some very large mountains on this microcontinent, and the peaks of those mountains are just above sea level, and those constitute the Azores Islands, the nine islands of the Azores, right? But they are on this microcontinent, which is maybe almost as large as Iceland, but it's a mile to a mile and a half under the ocean. Well, what's interesting about that is there is both empirical evidence and theoretical evidence that would suggest that a major subsidence took place along that triple junction because of the rapidly increasing weight of the rising sea levels. And this brings us to a concept called isostasy. We've got continental drift plate tectonics, which looks at lateral movement, then we have isostasy, which looks at vertical movement of the Earth's crust. And there is evidence that there was a subsidence along the Mid Atlantic ridge, and I've gone extensively into that, so I don't think we'll get too much into that in detail here today, other than to point out that, yeah, the evidence exists that there was a massive subsidence along the Mid Atlantic Ridge, which curiously, is pretty much right where Plato describes, in my opinion, where he describes Atlantis being, and also the Gulf Stream did not because of the lowered sea level. It didn't go into the Gulf of Mexico. It bypassed that. And then right there, just north of the Azores, it did its loop around. It didn't go it was maybe 1000 miles. It made its loop. It's turning back to the south uh, whereas now it carries the the warmth all the way up to the British Isles, even to Scandinavia. It dumps that heat before it reverses and starts heading back, you know, towards the equator, where it picks up the heat again and then carries it around in this never, never ending cycle, right? Okay, so what I'm getting at is that the Azores Islands, even without subsidence of the ocean floor, they would have been much more extensive because of the lowered sea level. Right? 400 feet down, every island on earth gets bigger, right? You can visualize that from everything I can discern now about the climate of that area of the planet back then and the subsequent advances that would have been the ideal place for, again, quotes, advanced civilization to emerge. Now Plato does not describe, you know, Crystal laser weapons and and and rocket ships and any of that. What he does describe seems to be like a hyper. Version, a Phoenician or a Minoan type civilization, seafaring civilization on steroids. That's kind of what he's describing, which implies, if they were seafaring, and they did have a far flung empire, they knew how to navigate, they had seafaring skills. If they know how to navigate, they've got astronomical knowledge. Obviously, you have to have that if you're going to, you know, travel the world by ship. And I don't find anything so outrageous about that. And again, within the old models, well, this nice, smooth continuum, there have been no interruptions. So why don't we find the pottery? Why don't we find the the evidence of some kind of civilization? Well, the people that are raising those objections, I think, are appallingly illiterate when it comes to understanding the extent and intensity of some of these global changes that we now are overwhelmingly documented, but I don't think our models of global change, of social or cultural change or of civilizations have kept up with our knowledge of the dramatic and extreme level of change that has engulfed this planet from time to time. And one of the areas I'm looking at right now of interest is called the Eemian sub stage 5e marine isotopic stage 5e also called the Eemian I won't necessarily get into the technical background of what marine isotope stage 5e is, other than the fact that that oxygen isotopes in the ocean And in ice cores change their isotopic composition with changes in in the climate, and they're pretty good yardsticks for climate change. But anyways, there was a period that lasted from 116,000 most recent date, 116,000 years ago, 229,000 years ago, called the Evian and it's always been held up as the closest analog, say, within the last at least couple 100,000 years, probably even a million or more years, the closest analog to the Holocene, which is the period of interglacial climate that we're in right now. Interestingly, the date now given, if you look at the, you know, look at the geological charts. Now, the date of transition from Pleistocene to Holocene is precisely placed right at 11,600 years ago. Right associated with that there's something else. It's called meltwater pulse 1b and that was apparently a very large influx of water into the global oceans that occurred 11,600 years ago. Now it's interesting that Plato, in his dialogs Timaeus and critius, puts that date, he says that the subsidence of Atlantis occurred according to the sacred registers of this the Egyptian priesthood, who'd been, who'd been custodians of this record for for millennia that their sacred registers went back 9000 years right now. So long journey to Egypt occurred historically, give or take, a few decades, about 600 years ago. So, I mean, I'm sorry, 600 BC, so about 2600 years ago, right? So you add that to your 9000 years from so long time back, you're at 11,600 years, give or take, a few decades. So very interestingly, Plato says that the final subsidence of Atlantis takes place at a date which is now within a century, or even less, of a great meltwater pulse into the global oceans, which, in my understanding of geophysics, would require a vertical adjustment of the Earth's crust. Because we know there's a thing called isostasy. When the glaciers are removed, what happens like, Are you sitting on a cushion chair right now? Right? Well, think of it this way, your rear end is causing a depression in the cushion in the chair, right?

Alex Ferrari 39:15
How dare you, sir, how dare you?

Randall Carson 39:16
Well, you know, I'm a risk taker okay,

Alex Ferrari 39:22
You do you, sir, you do you?

Randall Carson 39:25
Okay, well, so if you stand up, what happens to the depression?

Alex Ferrari 39:30
It usually will pop. It'll fill itself back up to where it was originally,

Randall Carson 39:33
Yeah, and that's basically, I think, a useful analogy, because you put, you know, a mile and a half of glacial ice up, say, over centered, like over Hudson Bay in Canada, but we know that the land was depressed probably at least 1500 feet, because we can see the elevated shorelines around the rim of Hudson Bay, right, right, and other places, like where Lake Bonneville was in Utah, we see a. Line of the uppermost shoreline. Now, of course, water will be level, but you had this gigantic lake in Eastern, I mean, in Utah, near the just west of the Wasatch Mountains, where, like, where great salt where Salt Lake City is. Now, you had 1000 feet of water, right? Great Salt Lake is just like a minuscule remnant of great lake Bonneville that was a late glacial age, gigantic Lake, almost like an inland sea, really, in Utah, right? Well, now those shorelines are no longer level. The shorelines that were left behind are tilted like this. Why? Because where the water is the deepest, the rebound of the land has been the greatest. So picture, you've got the level shoreline, take the water away, and now it starts the land starts rebounding. And so the shorelines become tilted, and that's because of isostatic adjustment. So you have isostatic you had evidence now of considerable isostatic adjustment along the Mid Atlantic ridge. And if you, if you look at some of the the evidence from oceanography and marine geology, it looks very much like a lot of the Azores microcontinent. It is called, was above sea level. And it isn't outrageous to to, you know, to hypothesize such a thing. Now, what I've said is that, because I don't see people online said, Oh, Randall Carlson believes in Atlantis. He thinks he knows where he thinks Atlantis is the Azores, right? Well, no, that's not an exact that's not a correct way that I characterization of my opinion on it. My opinion is that now, having extensively studied Plato's two relevant dialogs, reading what four or five different translations, even slogging my way through the original Greek to try to clarify what was the Word, where he's talking about Island. In the English translations, what was the original word? Well, the original word was NASA's and NASA's meant Island, right? So going through all of that, I pretty much concluded that, well, if, if there's one place that seems to be most likely consistent with Plato's account, it would be the Azores he talks about, west of the pillars of Pericles, which traditionally has always been. Some are arguing that that it wasn't, but I mean, from my research, it looks like it was almost always the Straits of Gibraltar right there, with Spain on the on the north and and Morocco on the south side at that at that place. And he just very explicitly says that the power that you know Atlantis was a power that came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean. And interesting. I mean the very Atlantic Ocean, you know, you if you go back the original etymology of the word it, we now end it with a hard sea. What is that called a vocative? You know, you see, think of the word circus. It starts with a sea, but you have the soft sea circus, almost like an S sounds, and then you have circus, you have a heart. So that's like on the back of your right, the roof of your mouth. Well, the the Greek, the Greek letter that was the the final letter of Atlantis was pronounced as a soft sound. So I mean, originally the Atlantic Ocean was the Atlantis ocean, so somebody way back in antiquity was making that connection when and we don't. I have no idea who would have been responsible for that, but that Atlantic Ocean was originally the Atlantis ocean. So that, to me, is very interesting, but that's been taken as a metaphor. You know, again, what Plato described to me was an advanced seafaring civilization that had a far flung empire that probably encompassed, you know, Europe, North West Africa, probably portions of Northeast South America and eastern North America. And why is that so outrageous that we can't even begin to think, look, islands were we know that islands were being inhabited and colonized more than 50,000 years ago. So we humans, or some of our cousins, whoever it might have been, have had seafaring capabilities for a very long time.

Alex Ferrari 39:33
Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, you look at the Pacific Islanders and what they were able to do with exactly, with like, coconuts and a couple strings. I mean,

Randall Carson 39:33
Yeah, exactly, I know. So. Why is it so outrageous that we can't even speculate? I don't think it is. I think, in fact, I think just everything, to me, is outrageous. I mean, the fact that we're here on this planet, third planet from the sun, and everything is just exactly as it needs to be. I mean, you can't start shooting parameters much, and it all goes away.

Alex Ferrari 39:33
It's all a coincidence, obviously.

Randall Carson 39:33
Now we're getting into that,

Alex Ferrari 39:33
I know, but it's ridiculous, yeah, but it's so ridiculous, like, even a logical person, without even being someone who's, you know, got a tin foil hat on them, you know, just thinking about it from a logical standpoint, even Einstein said himself like there has to be an intelligence behind all of this. It doesn't make any logical sense that there isn't some sort of intelligence around this universe.

Randall Carson 39:33
Well, it almost seems to me that everything, yeah, in my experience, just, it just speaks intelligence. I mean everything. I mean it's, you know, in the Masonic Order, God is referred to which, which provide. One of the things that appealed to me about masonry when I learned about it was the concept of God as the great architect. And that kind of gave me a handle, because I had nothing, I could not even begin to think about God. But this kind of gave me, at least sort of an intellectual handle that I found somewhat I found satisfying, because it gives me a framework. Well, now I can think about God, at least metaphorically, as this great architect, and then from that point on, and that was, I guess, in the 70s, when I was, you know, prolifically reading, trying to understand, you know, other cultures, other religions, other philosophies, where their beliefs were. That's when I kind of came upon this, the idea, and it appealed to me. And then from that day on, I look at everything around me, and almost it does. It seems like a work of divine architecture. No, to use that as an analogy and but who was the architect? I'm still like, can't grapple with that, you know, you know, there's one conception that it kind of a parody, but in a way, it kind of encapsulates, I think, sort of sort of the, the standard model of God, which appeared in in being made fun of in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Genius film, yeah, genius film. Remember the scene where God parts the clouds and stop that groveling? If you recall? Well, that's kind of your, your standard model of God, right?

Alex Ferrari 39:33
Yeah, the white beard, the Michelangelo version, or the,

Randall Carson 39:33
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And maybe, on some level, maybe there's something to that. But, you know, I don't again, I don't know. That's why I said, I kind of invoke this idea of a lot of the indigenous tribes of North America who just referred It's the great mystery, the creator, the creation, and that's kind of where I come down now. It's just a mystery that boggles my mind, and I don't get atheists, because atheists seems to be afraid of the fact that there could be meaning to all of this, and so they put their faith, and that's what it is, faith in a in a cosmic accident,

Alex Ferrari 39:33
Right! Exactly, exactly. But So with everything that we're talking about, Randall, there's, there's, there's a fly in the ointment for general academia right now, and it seems to be being covered up in a way, but that, like, kind of like the horse was let out of the out of the stable, and it's, you can't get it back in, which is go black. Gobekli Tepe, yeah, that is a major fly in the ointment, because according to the nerve it says that no way that we were, we were just hunter gatherers. But when you look at Gobekli Tepe, hunter gatherers didn't do that. That's a very intelligent, very intelligent civilization. Who did it? And it's not the only one that we see. Is goblet tepley, but there was apparently five, eight or nine or something else buried, and now they're like, covering it up, or they planted olive trees or something, so no one could get back into it, like it's a weird thing. So tell me what your what your take is on Gobekli Tepe, and what does it mean for our timeline?

Randall Carson 42:54
Obviously, it doesn't. It's not consistent with a hunter gatherer, migratory culture that's following the game, following the seasons, picking up and moving, you know, on a regular basis. I mean, it shows a sedentary lifestyle where you have, clearly, some level of hierarchy within the within the culture, because you've got, first of all, you've got enough leisure time, presumably, to be able to conceptualize a great work of whatever you want. To consider it, whether it's a work of science or art or. Engineering. Clearly it's symbolic. So it has meaning to it. I think it had meaning, deep meaning to whoever created right now, you also have to have a division of labor, because you can't, you cannot undertake a project of that magnitude, or whatever it might be. And we find many, many examples, from the megalithic realm to the monumental earthworks of North America. You know, all over the world, we find this, this evidence that, yeah, you had a highly evolved civilization, because you had to have a division of labor. Because, let's I go back to one of the more recent examples, the incredible gothic cathedral building era in Europe that lasted from about Oh 1130 to the like the end of the 1200s right in there, 150 170 years at its peak. Well, when you look at and if you haven't done this, you should travel Europe. Travel France. Go sharp go to amion, go to Reeves. Hit 345, of those magnificent cathedrals, because everyone is, in a way, a textbook of stone, and every one of them has insights and levels of knowledge encoded. I think that, in fact, the real message of those cathedrals has not been discerned yet, in my opinion, but when you look at those and you realize the, you know, I'm a builder. I've been a builder for 40 years. We do all kinds of projects, smaller projects, ranging in size from a few $100,000 up to a couple of million. But in that, in that realm of operating, we sometimes have to, you know, move things anywhere from one up to two tons, I think is the maximum we've had to bring in. Sometimes we've been building things where we have to, for example, bring in a steel I beam that weighs a ton. Well, we'll generally get a crane to come and move that right. We don't move it by hand. Typically we cut off, you know, we can install beams up to a ton, but once you get past a half a ton, like we'll, we'll use mechanical means come along and pull these and and so on to get to say, lift an I beam up into place. You know, we build with stone. We'll bring in. You know, we, I don't do, I used to do a lot of stone work, until my back protested, and now we subcontract that out. But, you know, we, typically, you build with smaller stones that that might weigh, you know, 20 to 50 pounds. Usually these stones are not so large. Of one man can't move and manipulate the stone. And the reason, I mean, we, you know, now, in fact, what we've done is we've gone to, like, stone veneers, you know, stone facings where you're basically the stones have been, you know, fashioned down to the where they're only three inches thick, right? So now you can easily handle them. The stone masons can put them in place, order them up and so on. We don't build with 50 to 100 ton stones. And the obvious reason is, is, well, I mean, it would be completely uneconomical to even do so, if we tried to, you know, even 10 ton stones? You know where any modern building, any building you've seen in the belt in the last 150 years, are they using 10 ton stones, even one ton stones, right? Yet, all over the ancient world, they they're moving stones that would weigh 5, 10, 20, up to 50 tons and more. Now you could imagine or theorize that there's some idiosyncratic culture, some bunch of you know, eccentric culture, that whatever is obsessed with building with large stones, and they've developed some kind of means, simply using human labor and mechanical means to move large stones and build with them. Okay, okay, make that argument. Yeah, there's this, Hey, there's this weird culture somewhere up in Northern Europe, or, you know, in in on Malta, or, you know, in the Middle East, wherever it might be, who were motivated to build things out of 10 ton stones, 20 ton stones, all right, but here's the thing we're looking at, many cultures all over the world. I mean, the only place that I don't know of any megalithic stone work is Antarctica. Every other call, every other plant. Every other continent on Earth has megalithic stonework, right? I just have a very hard time grasping why subsistent cultures or hunter gatherers, nomadic cultures would be motivated to do that. Why would they be motivated to. Move 10 ton stones. It doesn't make sense. And, you know, I just think that, okay, well, right there. That was the first thing thinking along those lines is, well, they must have had some very efficient method of transporting stones of that magnitude, of that weight, and what would that be? Well, I'm not 100% convicts that I know, but it's very plausible that they were using technologies that have been lost. And why is that so outrageous? Because, again, it just to me, doesn't add up within the conventional models of pre history, ancient peoples who were essentially Stone Age existence right down until, you know, the Neolithic anyway, were out there moving five and 10 and 20 ton stones around. Why would they do this? Well, first of all, if, if we were going to try to assemble and build something to endure through the extreme vagaries of global change. What medium would be probably optimal? Well, megalithic stonework, right? But anything else like we just talked about earlier, you know, within a few 1000 years, is going to be mostly gone, right? So that could be one reason somebody was building with stone, but I don't think that's the full explanation. And I think perhaps what we're seeing with some of the sacred spaces around the planet is remnants. It's, it's their pieces, it's, the remnants of a broken machine, if you want to put it that way, that once was functioning on, perhaps on a global scale, and was destroyed during or previous to the Younger Dryas. And then there were various efforts made to reconstruct, at least in certain places, this same machine, again, which employed the geomagnetic field of the Earth, it incorporated in and made use of the interactions between celestial forces and terrestrial forces. And we know that they're we know that they're related. Now, you know the moon, we know moves billions, trillions of tons of ocean water right during the tides. Well, there's as much water throughout the lithosphere as there is on the surface. Well, that water in the lithosphere is also being affected by subterranean tidal forces caused by the moon primarily. Does that have an effect? Well, I think the evidence is pointing direction. Yes, it does have an effect, and we can see it manifesting in changes in the geomagnetic field, and particularly those changes manifesting along the zones of least resistance, which are the fractures and fault lines that are all spread around through the Earth's crust.

Alex Ferrari 42:54
Randall, let me ask you. Let me ask you, in regards to Gobekli Tepe though it was, it seemed like they had that civilization that built it, and built all the ones that are still under underground, that they knew that something was coming, and then they actually buried it to protect it from what was coming. That is very that opens up so many cans of worms about who they were, what kind of technology did they have to understand that something was coming, even if they let's say it was a let's say the Younger Dryas was caused by a giant meteor that hit the planet. Let's just say that's and it melted all the ice, like you're saying, if they were a primitive culture, they would have looked up and go, Oh, look, there's, you know, the sky gods are angry at us, or something along those lines, not to have the like, hey, we need to bury this, to protect it for future generations. And on Gobekli Tepe, just the astrological connections of the of the things that they carved into it, and how heavy is completely tapping. How big are those, those monolithic stones?

Randall Carson 59:08
They have to be two to five tons. I'm thinking, from the sides that I've seen,

Alex Ferrari 59:14
How are they, how are they moving those things back then, right? You know what we talk about, your gather times, right? Not even Egyptian times. This is free Egypt.

Randall Carson 59:25
To me, like you, Alex, are not a professional archeologist, but you are asking the obvious questions that are begging to be asked, that for whatever reason, we're not supposed to even speculate they're there. And of course, I think there are factions within the establishment, if you will, that realize, okay, there's some major holes in our in our plot, in our plot. Yes, there's some major plot holes. Yes.

Alex Ferrari 59:53
I mean, it was, it's the same thing as when I was in Catholic school. I would raise my hand and go, so what happened to Jesus between years, 12 years old and 30 he's he's gone 18 years. Well, we don't we don't we don't we don't talk like you mean to tell me, this man has all these stories, all these disciples, no one kept a record of what happened to him in those 18 years. I would imagine those are good years. Those are like

Randall Carson 1:00:17
I want to know. I I'm right with you, Alex, I brought that up, where, what are you telling me that nobody really, yeah, there's a story there. There is a story there that I'm convinced, if that story was revealed, that would just blow the lids off of a lot of stuff, blow the lids off 2000 years of history,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:39
Right! And that's the thing, though, that like you, they don't want to, they don't want to even talk about it. It's not even a conversation. And I'm like, but, but then you're not, you're obviously holding back information. There's little stories about everything that man did for three years from 30, from 30 to 33 or give or take. And there's little stories of little miracles here, a little bit like, You mean to tell me nobody was around between the years of 12 and 30. Like, no, nobody was watching this kid. Like, it just makes no sense. So that's what we're talking about here. Like, why wouldn't you ask these deeper questions? That's what you are doing so beautifully over the course of your career. Are asking the tough questions and taking the arrows when they're like, no, no, no, you know, you're basically getting the nun hitting you with the Rule of, like, those questions Randall?

Randall Carson 1:01:29
Yeah, it's true. Well, you know, there's a name I'm, uh, well, he has no credentials. Well, yeah, and I confess right at the outset. I'm a high I'm a college dropout. I dropped out to take care of a special needs son and to build my business, but I never stopped doing the research. You know, I've been I've been obsessively researching since I was 18 years old. I even have a was keeping a journal at the time, and around the time of my 18th birthday, back in 1969 I made this commitment that I was going to try to become an one of the most I thought, I'm going to become one of the most educated men of my generation. I literally, that's beautiful. I literally thought of that because I've been reading about, you know, some of the great minds of the Renaissance and so forth. Da Vinci he was kind of my model, you know, they said, Oh, Da Vinci was the most educated man of his generation. And I thought, now that's a worthy goal. And I love doing research. I'm really curious about everything. I want to get to the bottom of things. And so I embarked on this quest at the age of 18, right around my 18th birthday, a few months after I got out of high school, and I thought, Okay, I'm free. Now. I can start doing what I want, learning what I want. So I set up on this quest, which has been a very interesting ride. And the thing of it is, is that the only thing that happens is that the further I go into it, then the more I learn, the more interesting it gets. And there are things now that I'm like, Okay, I think I might have be on the verge of figuring this out, whereas a few decades ago, well, I can remember, in summer of 70, when I was 19, I did my first major. I spent four or five months traveling. I'd grown up in rural Minnesota, and I spent four or five months traveling around the western states, Utah, Nevada, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Montana. And I started seeing these landscapes that just blew me away. I remember going through the Columbia Gorge there, across the Sierras and everything. I remember the sense I had, if you know the story of Gulliver's Travels, when he went to what was it he I can't pronounce it, Rob did. Rob dineg, where he was in the land of giants, and he was just this little thing in this land of giants. That's what I felt like. I like I was a little Putin or something in the land of giants. But at the time, I remember, my impression was to ever understand this landscape that I'm seeing here would be a hopeless quest. Well, now, you know, last fall, I made my what seventh, eighth, ninth, traverse through that, through, through the gorge there. Well now I'm looking at it, and it's like the difference between, you know, if I pick up a book like this one, right? I just got, just grabbed a book randomly, I open it up. If I'm illiterate, I look at this page and it conveys no meaning to me, right? But I'm literate, I can read. So, you know, if I, if I picked up a book written in Russian, I would open it and it would not convey meaning to me. I wouldn't, you know, right? Well, now I go through the Columbia Gorge and it's like I can read it. I can see the fan Delta splayed out from the from the mouths of these rivers. I can see escarpment set certain heights above the. Level, I can see point bars in the composition of those point bars, and now I can begin to put all together. And I'm realizing, okay, there's a vocabulary here. You know, in 1970 I had no clue about, I didn't even know that it was something you could understand. You know, it'd be like this. Here's another analogy. Imagine that you're going down the road. Think about this. Every day, you're out in the world, and there's information being conveyed to every sign, every billboard, is conveying information. And you're driving and speed limit, 60 miles an hour, no right turn, whatever, 1000s of messages that you're you're filtering and processing right? Sometimes, not even so much consciously. But now imagine you've just been transported from Sub Saharan Africa, and you have no understanding of the English language, the English alphabet, any of that. So it's completely you can't read. It be like if I went to a Muslim country and looked at things written in Arabic, I wouldn't have a clue what they're saying. My wife, on the other hand, can read Arabic. You know, she's getting her master's degree in Middle Eastern Studies. She can read Arabic. So now, when I come across these Arabic words that I go, What are they talking about? Here? I go to right? So what are they saying here? You know, which is kind of cool. But anyways, here's the point I'm trying to get at. So you would be handicapped. You would admit, okay, well, here's all this information. I cannot access that information correct. But now let's take it a step further. Let's say you don't even realize that that's encoded information. You see these imagery, but you don't even realize that there's that there's a message there, the story. There, yeah, you don't realize that

Alex Ferrari 1:06:45
You don't even know what a book is, let's say,

Randall Carson 1:06:49
Right! You don't even know what a book is that exactly. That's where I'm trying to get at. Whereas I take people like we just did, like I said, we just did a I did a field trip a couple of months ago. I took 40 people. We started in Salt Lake City, and we traveled north up through what's called Red Rock pass, and we learned about this giant lake Bonneville. And I told showed people look over there at the mountains, Wasatch Mountains. There you're going to see two shorelines, right? You're going to see an upper one that's called the Bonneville shoreline. And then there's one just below that, which is called the Provo shoreline. It's actually 350 feet difference. I've had people tell me on these like, oh yeah, I've been here. I've seen those, but I just never really thought about what they were. Well, you see that upper one that was the upper most level of Lake Bonneville. So if you're standing here in Salt Lake City, that upper that water was about 1050 feet over your head. And you try to imagine, and you look up the sides of the mountains, and you see that very distinct horizontal line, and it's a shoreline well on the north in the basin of Bonneville, which is now the basin of Salt Lake, has no outlet to the ocean. It's confined to the inland area, so any rainfall or snow melt coming off the mountains that goes in there, it has no, no river carrying it to the ocean, it ultimately goes away because the water evaporates, right? So it rains there. It's It's desert now, right? Total desert. Then you have to think about, okay, it's desert, arid desert now, but if we go back, you know, 14, 15,000 20,000 years ago, somewhere in that interim, there was a gigantic lake here. Well, how did that? Where did all that water come from? Well, it had to been rainfall. Well, we're in a desert now. So how extreme was the difference? Did there have to be in the climate to have enough rainfall to produce this gigantic inland sea of fresh water, right? Well, then we took the tour up and there's a little saddle on the northern rim of what was Lake Bonneville. It's called Red Rock pass. And then you go through Red Rock pass, and you come into you pass into southern Idaho. Right now, in Red Rock pass, there's two types of rock outcrop. There's a sedimentary rock that sits on top of an igneous like a granite rock, let's say really hard igneous rock. Picture this, the sedimentary rock is 350 feet thick on top of it, right? And it's a softer rock than the hard granite it's sitting on the level of Lake Bonneville. Rises and rises and rises and then it spills over the top of this temporary rock dam well as the water's running over the top, right, because it's a softer it's a lot of sheer force, lot of power within that flowing water. It eats its way down through that 350 feet of sedimentary rock when it gets. To the granite. It stops because the granite is hard and resistant. That difference between the granite, the top of the granite, and the top of the sedimentary rock, is 350 about feet, the same distance between those two shorelines, right? So you've got one that marks the high water mark where the spillover occurred. And then when the water level dropped over the next several months, and it was pouring out of that outlet at about 40 million cubic feet per second, which is an enormous volume of water, it dropped down. And then when it hit that sill, the flood waters from this outburst stopped, and now you still had a big lake, but it had lost about half of its volume from at its maximum over the next few 1000 years, 345, 1000 years, that lake evaporated away. So we can now say, okay, there was a gigantic outburst flood from this lake that seemed to have immediately preceded a serious climate shift that didn't allow the regeneration of the previous climatic regime. It made some enormous transition. It went to desert, and then the water evaporated away, and it's almost as if the flood is the line of demarcation. We then followed that flood north to where it hit what is now the Snake River Canyon, and followed the Snake River Canyon up not quite to the mouth of Hell's Canyon, but all along that route, what I was doing was essentially teaching people how to read the landscape, how to understand the flow of water, and how the flow of water, under the tremendous power of water, created and shaped the canyon and and so That was the point. You know, in effect, I guess I say I'm trying to teach people to read, but I'm trying to teach people to read the hidden script of the earth. And it brings to mind a quote from the book of Job, 12th Chapter, eighth verse, speak to the earth and it shall teach thee. And that's kind of what I've been doing, engaging in a dialog with the Earth, traveling around and immersing myself in these landscapes, and sort of requesting the earth to divulge, to yield up its secrets. And this has been a 40 year quest for me now, and I'm beginning to make some sense out of it, and I want to share this knowledge, because, damn it, people need to know this story, because it's, it's the stage upon which everything that we think of history has played played out.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:53
Well, let me ask you the pyramids, one of the great mysteries of humanity is how they were built with the purpose of them are, and all that kind of stuff. And of course, a British archeologist walks in and goes, this must be a tomb. And then we've been stuck with that narrative ever since, though the proof is not there that that was ever a tomb because they never found anything. There's no glyphs. There has been a lot of chatter lately in regards to stuff that they've discovered, quote, unquote, underneath the pyramids through some new technology. Have you heard about that? I'm sure you have. What's your take on this new stuff that they're finding underneath, meaning essentially, like another city or towers underneath, or something along those lines. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

Randall Carson 1:13:38
Well, I have, I've interviewed the two Italian scientists. I've met them personally. You know, I've had breakfast and lunch with them a couple of times and had a chance to they see my credible gentlemen. But I, you know, at this point, I, I'm refraining from, you know, endorsing any opinion or or other. Hey. I mean, I think it would be super exciting if it turned out that some of these simulations are what's really there. Now, one of the things in my studies of Earth change I learned really way back in the 80s with the first shuttle overflights of the Sahara that we're using ground penetrating radar that was able to look below the the thick the sand layer that covered the Saharan desert. And what they found was extremely eroded bedrock that had been eroded by huge volumes of water, almost scab land like like the terrains I've been looking at out in eastern Washington, right? Okay, now, most of the Giza, most of the Giza Plateau is limestone. Well, limestone is erodible under water erodes. Calcium carbonate is, is dissolvable in a water, particularly if it's got a if it's somewhat acidic, right? So, like. North of here, Tennessee, Kentucky, some of the most prolific cave systems in North America. Why? Because it's all limestone. So when you have these increased periods of rainfall, the pluvial events, I think you have accelerated formation of cave systems. Well, there's no reason to assume that that there wouldn't also be cave systems, and probably, in some cases, enormous ones under the Giza Plateau. Now, we do know this, that the Nile River Valley is like a gigantic, almost a slot canyon. You know you if I know, if you've been to Egypt, but if you, if you get it'd be worthwhile to go. And if you do walk over to the eastern rim of the plateau and look out over the the Nile Valley, which is a verdant, you know, it's agricultural. It's, it's flat. There's, there's an embankment, you know, on the other side, three or four miles on the other side, and you've got two very distinct range, if you look at it in in Google Earth, what you're going to see, it's all brown and desert on both sides. And then the the Nile Valley is green because, because of the the water that's coming out of the Ethiopian highlands and flowing north into the Mediterranean. Well, there was an event that occurred around five, I think was 5.2 million years ago, called the Messinian Salinity Crisis. And what this involved was a complete desiccation, or evaporating away, of the Mediterranean Sea, which in some cases is like 9000 feet deep, right, like just off, like the Eastern basin of the Mediterranean, just north of the mouth of the Nile is nine, maybe 10,000 feet deep. I don't know the explanation. I don't know if anybody does. There's speculation. But whatever caused the whole Mediterranean to dry up, and there was a dam across, apparently across what is now the Straits of Gibraltar. Well, at some point that dam broke loose, and there was what they called the Zan flood, where you had this as much as 100 million cubic meters per second pouring in. It just inconceivably huge volume of water. I mean, now we're talking flows that are on the scale of some of the largest flows estimated to have occurred on Mars. Okay, but now you have this Antillean flood rushing in. But when the Mediterranean dried up and the water level went down, what happened? You had the ancestral Nile flowing north, and the ancestral Nile was now cutting down to match the discharge, the elevation of the discharge point, right? So what has happened? And it was probably augmented by enormous floods coming north. In fact, there's evidence that there have been enormous floods where maybe the capacity of the Nile was carrying 10 or more 100 times the current carrying capacity of the Nile River. Okay, so that would accelerate down cutting in any case, the if you were to go to the Giza plateau and go immediately to the Nile River, what you're looking at is the top of a of a sedimentary column of material that was deposited. A lot of that material was backwashed when this is in clean flood, rushed in, rushed to the eastern sector of the Mediterranean, and then backwashed up a canyon that was 8000 feet deep. That's half again as deep as Grand Canyon. And if you were to remove the sediment, the backwash sediment from the Nile Canyon, you'd be standing there looking into a canyon 8000 feet deep. I mean literally, right there, a few 100 yards from the Giza Plateau. Now, if you can have that much erosion or that much material removed from bedrock? Yeah, it's, to me, it's not outrageous to speculate that you might also have large caves and caverns under the whole plateau system. Now, is it also too outrageous to speculate that humans might have accessed those systems? No, I don't find that particularly outrageous. I mean, it makes sense, but I'm still withholding any opinion until I learn more. But let's, let's make three assumptions here. One, natural cavern systems on a on a impressive scale, could exist within the Giza Plateau. Secondly, could we speculate that humans were somehow able to access those cave systems? Third, once having accessed them, could they have done anything to occupy them and to then utilize them in some fashion or another? Tulum, so. Something, yeah, build something there? And the answer is, well, okay, each one of those is plausible. It's not out of the question that there could have been some type of an engineering project, but honestly, I don't know. I'm excited about it. I'm waiting to see we, course need to have the thing that'll convince people, I think, is when we finally have access to it and we can get in there and record what we actually find. But I don't know. I mean, there are skeptics and there are believers, and I'm kind of in the middle.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:35
Fair enough, Randall, you've been doing this, Randall, as you said, 40 years or longer, since you were 18, yeah, and I have to believe that you've seen a shift in society, meaning of their hunger for this information, because when you first started coming out, and when Randall, Randall, Graham and Eric Vaughn, thank you. When they started, all of you started to talk about this. You were, you know, just this is insane. You're crazy. All in a and it's slowly but surely, the public has opened their minds up. Their consciousness has been raised to be able to not only accept a lot of these ideas, but to also jump in and go, Well, wait a minute, what did happen to what did happen in those 18 years for Jesus, you know, what did happen on these these questions, but there seems to be a hunger now for the truth, not just in what you do, but the truth in Every space for economic, food, religion, all of it. What's your take on where we're going, where our consciousness is going? Because it seems to be opening up and rising to a higher level to allow this kind of information in. And you've seen that, assuming you've seen that throughout your career.

Randall Carson 1:21:56
I kind of, I've said frequently in written about that. I think we're kind of at a crossroads right now. I am researching the concept of resiliency. How did ancient cultures adapt and survive? How did they go under to the forces that were out of their control? And recently, I've been looking at the some of the cultures of Western America, particularly in the region of Utah and Nevada, because having just been out there. But there is, you know, I mentioned Lake Bonneville. Well, Lake Bonneville was the largest of these lakes, but there was Lake Lahontan, which was a close second, and many, other lakes, right? Well, we now know that there were people inhabiting the ancestors, the Paiute tribes and the Shoshone tribes lived out there. And they've got traditions that go back. They tell stories of when their ancestors were living on the shores of this great lake, right? And that the mountains were covered with glaciers. Well, that's in their cultural heritage. That's in part of their stories, their ancestral stories. Well, okay, so if they've been handing down oral traditions about their ancestors living on the shores of a great lake when the Sierra mountains were, you know, mantled and glaciers, well, you got to go back 11, 12, 13,000 years there, right? And so there, they have maintained all along that, yes, our oral traditions do go back that far. And then in 1940 there was a cave. They a couple of a man and wife, archeologist team found a cave. It's now called Spirit Cave, which would have been right on the western shoreline of Lake Lahontan, this great lake. And they went in there, and they discovered some burial remains. There was a intrusive burial that was probably dated between 1,500, 2,000 years ago. And then there was another burial underneath it that was actually preserved as a mummy, right? And they assumed that it that these two were roughly the same age, and they estimated that the date of this burial was 1500 to 2000 years ago. Well, then radiocarbon dating came along, and they were able to this was in 1940 so the remains of the mummy went into a museum, and actually, for a while, was in a circus and displayed as the oldest man in America, right? But that was 1500 to 2000 years old, right? So now fast forward to 1996 97 they radio carbon dated the thing, and the burial stuff that was with him turned out to be over 10,700 years old. Boing, okay, so that completely changed the equation of who this guy was. Well, then the Paiute Shoshone tribe comes forward and said he's our ancestor, right? We call him the storyteller, right? And, and they were like, Get out of here. You know, that's ridiculous. Well, then fast forward, I think, to about 2004 after couple of years of controversy and back and forth. The the Paiute Shoshone tribe was trying to, they wanted to repatriate the remains and rebury them. Scientists were pushing for, let's do a DNA analysis. And finally, the tribes agreed to it, and they did a DNA analysis. And guess what? It showed a genetic sequence from the storyteller, 10,700 11,000 years old, down to the modern tribes. So what that now does is it seems to support the conclusion that here was an oral tradition that existed since the Ice Age. Well, a lot of the like, I know, criticisms that Graham Hancock myself have received talking about atlanticism as well. They say Plato says it was a tradition in their sacred registers that went 9000 years, and that we know that couldn't happen, so therefore the story of Atlantis was bogus. I mean, that's essentially the logic, but I don't buy that logic. So I think the takeaway is this, we now see that there's evidence of now that. So the question then becomes, what did this tribe, what did these people, these indigenous people, do? What sort of strategies of life did they have to adapt to in order to preserve a tradition for 11,000 years, which then raises the question of resiliency, and I think that's what comes down to where we're at today. You know, I think we're right now burdened under massive you know, as a builder, I've seen over the last 20, 3040, years, how much more complicated it has become, because you have to navigate through layers upon layers of bureaucracy. We've seen the bureaucratic response to these awful floods in western North Carolina. Bass last October, we've seen very similar what happened in the hill country of Texas, right bureaucratic inertia. And what we see is local people spontaneously organizing and doing what needs to be done, bypassing my argument is that we have to really look at strategies of adaptability and resilience, and we are passively allowing ourselves to get straight jacketed by bureaucracies on All these levels. America was founded to create a place where people could be free of oppressive government. Minimalist government was was set forth in the Constitution, and that has been completely betrayed. People need to come and recognize that the political sector, in order to enhance their own power, has hijacked academia has hijacked the education system. And this is one of the things now where I'm turning my attention to, and we could do another podcast to discuss this, about where I think we need to do I think education is going to be re education, opening people to these greater possibilities. Back in the early 90s, I got tapped to do some presentations to a group of kids that were being home schooled. They had come up into Waldorf system, and in in those days in Atlanta, the Waldorf school only went to eighth grade, so kids that had been in the Waldorf system of education for eight years, had now graduated from that and what were their choices, go to private school or go to public school. So a group of the Waldorf parents got together and they organized a wall. They called it the Waldorf outreach program. They rented a room in a church. They hired a guy that I knew a friend of mine named Bradley, and he became the main lesson instructor. And they would have anywhere from five to 10 kids that would meet in these classes. And it was almost like almost one on one instruction. And then he would bring in sub teachers, subcontractors, if you wanted to call them that he tapped me to come in and do a program in geometry. I think it was March of 1995 I went in there, and I did two weeks, and I combined the I used art to teach geometry, and I did two weeks with these kids. I think I only did four or five actual classes with them. We're at the end of the two weeks. I'd say, Bradley, this was fun. Thanks for the opportunity to do this. I had been lecturing and teaching grown ups, but I'd never done programs for kids before. Well, then a few days go by, he calls me and he wanted, he said the kids were wondering if you'd be willing to come back and do more they had. Were having so much fun, and. I thought, and my work was a little slow at the time, so you said, Sure. So I ended up actually finishing out the year. And then over the summer, I started getting all these calls from the word was getting around that these kids were having a really fun time learning math, right? Because I combined math with art, right? So I got calls started, getting calls over the summer, and I ended up doing these, organizing, these classes for 15 years, and had some amazing things happen in there, getting to know these kids, kids that had been homeschooled all their life, kids that were coming in from public school because they couldn't adapt to public school. You know, we had one group of three boys. We entered a national science fair contest that had, I don't know, 20 or 30,000 contestants in it. We got second place nationally, and I gave them, got a nice certificate for it, and then I got an award for outstanding scientific education for for children. So ever since they're marinating in the back of my mind was I saw the dramatic contrast, because at the same time, in the 90s and early 2000s when I'm doing this, is when school is just locking down and becoming authoritarian.

Randall Carson 1:31:13
You know, police roaming the halls with dogs smelling the locker rooms. You know, security checkpoints going in and out. And I began, how's it come to that? I thought it was bad when I was, you know, in in school in the 60s. It's 10 times worse now. And you see kids coming out can't read, they don't know their history, they can't do simple math. I mean, it's pathetic. Now there are kids very because I'm working with young, some young people in their 20s and early 30s now that, you know, obviously have graduated since then that are outstanding and have somehow had this natural immunity to this indoctrination. It has dumbed the rest of the the students down. I think so. What I'm doing now is I'm, in fact, I'm going up on Saturday to look at a piece of land up in Tennessee. We're there's a group of us that have kind of come together, people that I've worked with for years, some of them successful with in business, some of them now retired, semi retired, who really want to do something like this. And we're looking at creating a school, and I put a whole prospectus together, what this school would do, what it would teach, what it's, what its pedagogy would look like, because it alarms me that, as I mentioned, I grew up in rural Minnesota, so I could go out at night and I could look up from the time seven, eight years old. I could find the Big Dipper. I knew the North Star. I could see the Milky Way galaxy. We lived on the shores of a lake. So, you know, I have memories of being seven years old fishing in my backyard while my older brother is cooking up the fish there, and we had a fish fry. Our nearest neighbors were farms, so we got all our fresh eggs, our chicken, everything from typically within a mile of where we lived. My mother had huge garden, so she was canning, she was pickling. It was really almost paradise, didn't I took it for granted back then, but I got exposed from very early on to the outdoors, the natural world. And now we have studies showing and I've included included these studies in my my prospectus, we have studies now that show that kids that are raised with regular exposure to nature literally have structural changes in their brains to differentiate kids that are not being exposed to nature. And the practical outcome of this is dramatic in that statistically, we can look at the two groups, a group of young people that have been raised so that they've had regular exposure to nature, the sky, the green spaces, flowing water, compared to like a strictly urban group. In this group here, you've got more rates, higher rates of depression, more suicides, more addictions, more divorces, right down the line, right down the line. And now brain scans are showing there are literally structural changes that occur through the exposure to the natural realm. So I want to combine academics with outdoor programs. I think that's where we need to go. When I was doing my organizing these classes, I would teach geometry or trigonometry, and I would regularly bring the students to my projects where we're applying this knowledge, and I would get them to actually help me solve problems. And that could range from cut and fill. Problems like, how much material do we have to excavate here to to do these footings? And why do we have to have footings? Why are they called footings? Well, they're like your feet. Imagine that at the bottom of your legs. You didn't have feet, you'd fall over, wouldn't you? Well, when we build a house, we have footings, and we have to engineer those footings. And I would get the. Kids literally, to use the mathematics that we were studying in the classroom to go out and solve. I taught trigonometry by teaching kids how, how we designed and built roof systems. Which are, you know, I said every carpenter knows, rise over run. You know, if you go up a stairs, and there were stairs in the church we were meeting. It says you've got the rise and you've got the run, right? Well, if you have too much rise compared to run, you're probably going to fall down the stairs. If you've got too low then your stairs are going to be really long and you may not have room. So what you're looking for is a rise over run. Here's a ratio. Let's say rise seven a run 11. So seven over 11, which actually happens to be very close to the pyramid angle. But then I would show them that, and we would design a staircase in the classroom, and then I would take them out to the job site and say, here it is being built, right? This is how I think you need to teach because, because what's happened is you go in public school and you get, what, 55 minutes the bell rings, you have to stop what you're doing. You get up, you go to another class, and you have no consistent comprehension of, how does this class relate to what I just did?

Alex Ferrari 1:36:17
How does it relate to anything?

Randall Carson 1:36:19
How does it relate to anything

Alex Ferrari 1:36:20
Like, anything whatsoever. Like I went, I mean, I had such a tough time in school, until I went to college, and then in college, I started to learn more classes I wanted to learn about. And then I, you know, got straight A's, and I was in Dean's List and all that. But in high school, I barely made it, yeah, so numbing for me. It was insane that look, we could go down that road for another five hours. Trust me, I have children. I get it completely getting it's funny because my kid, one of my kids, I think she was like, 11 at the time, came to me. She was like, look at this picture. And it was a picture of a classroom in 1885 and she goes, Look at my classroom, nothing has changed. An 11 year old, so the generation coming up now looking at things so differently and demanding things change, which is So, you know, reassuring? Yeah, you know that there's hope. It gives me hope that things will change, because this new generation is demanding those changes.

Randall Carson 1:37:23
Yeah, and you know, the rule I've read is that, you know, you really, all it requires is about 20% if you 20% of the people get on board with a social change, it can happen, right? It's so the two big things, education and then media. And this is, to me, the the the encouraging thing about media is what you and I are doing right here, correct. We're bypassing the monopoly of mainstream media, correct, and we are growing exponentially. We're able to explore alternative ideas, alternative information without without the filters that are being imposed on mainstream media. I saw a recent interview between, who was it? It was one of the talking heads, Scott Horton. Scott Horton, he wrote a book called provoked, where he goes into the whole history of of you know, Ukraine, US involvement, NATO, Russia. You know all of that, right dense, 500 page with a couple of maybe 1000 or more references in there, and he's interviewing with this talking head. Talking head would ask him a question, and he would start putting out information. And I mean, he'd done his homework, and he's making way too much sense. And if you watch it, you'll notice two things. One, he was never allowed to finish his thought. Second, you could constantly see the the the interviewer doing this. He's, he's there. He's like, well, well, so what do you think about this? Then he'd interrupt him. And then the next thing he's doing is he's, you go, yeah, he's looking at the paper. He's got on his desk there. This is the talking points that he's supposed to be hitting. The whole thing is a gigantic fraud. But I think it's, it's crumbling. It's, it's on its way out.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:09
It's, I mean, look, if you look at these huge shows you know that are doing these kind of conversations around the world, there's a lot of amazing shows with massive audiences, yes, bigger, much mainstream. My show gets better ratings than CNN or any of the news networks. I love hearing that, but it's the truth. I mean. And I'm not, I'm a, I'm a decent sized show, but I'm I'm not Joe, you know Joe, Joe dwarfs their entire network with one episode. It's insane. Yeah, it is. So it is definitely shifting. It is definitely, definitely shifting. And it's hopeful. It really is hopeful for change. Randall, I can keep talking to you. I know you got to go, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world.

Randall Carson 1:39:56
Probably the simplest I've got, I had to spend $500 to buy my name from a plumber in Alabama

Alex Ferrari 1:40:03
That was pretty cheap.

Randall Carson 1:40:05
Yeah, it was, I was, I was expecting more than that, because I thought my name's worth more than $500 right? But, uh, so I bought that. So I've got randallcarlson.com Keep my name. You know, Hey, my friend grahamhancock.com I'm going to, I'm going to do like he does. randallcarlson.com also how to do calm. I'm going to send you a short bio, whatever you want to do with it, throw it out, or edit it, or just whatever. It's probably longer than you'd want to use. But yeah, it kind of goes in a little bit into my background, in history and and then the two. But the two links that I think will get you to most everywhere you need to go is randallcarlson.com and how tube.com on partnering with them. And they are a an internet platform. It's pretty much I partnered with them because they were very much pro education and helping to catalyze a major evolution in how we educate young people in this country. So I partnered with them about five years ago, six years ago, when they were just beginning to launch. And so those would be the two places, let's see. So the podcast I do now, it's called squaring a circle, which is a geometric metaphor, and also, let's see how to here's how I would describe it, an independent video hosting platform dedicated to free speech and sharing knowledge across a broad spectrum of categories,

Alex Ferrari 1:41:34
Beautiful, beautiful. Randall, thank you so much for coming on the show. I look forward to our next conversation, hopefully in studio. I think, yeah,

Randall Carson 1:41:43
I would love that. I've got a double reason to get out there again. But, you know, I spend a lot of I may be going out to Arizona to do a conference coming up, I think, in February. So I've got a choice of flying or I may drive, if there's enough places to stop along the way, and I can get away for an extra four or five days. I'm probably going to drive. But anyways, there will be an opportunity for me to join you in the studio.

Alex Ferrari 1:42:09
I appreciate you, my friend, and thank you again, so much for all the hard work you've done all all these years that you've been doing it and fighting that good fight. And I appreciate everything you're doing to help awaken this planet, my friend. So thank you again.

Randall Carson 1:42:20
Thanks, Alex, I enjoyed every minute of our conversation.