Baptist Taken to Different Levels of Heaven in NDE with Professor Dean Brinson

Dean Brinson 0:00
Anything that's in time and space must die. Once you get out of time and space, you immortal. You in the area of salvation, which the Christian called a lot of Christians thinking that you speaking in tongue. These are real languages. We human beings are all miniaturized forms of God. We are God's children. That's my teacher. Could I stay here forever? He said, No, going back, there's a tent door. Christ talked about this tent door. He said, this door is right behind these two eyeballs, about an inch and a half. And I ended up in India, hoping that I could get some answers satisfied when I died, it was painless.

Alex Ferrari 0:58
I'd like to welcome to the show Professor Brinson how you doing Professor Brinson?

Dean Brinson 1:02
Thank you for asking me I'm in good shape.

Alex Ferrari 1:07
Good, good, good. I'm really looking forward to our conversation. You've had a, not only a interesting life to say the least, but your near death experience that you had, what happened when you went to the other side, is pretty remarkable. But before we jump into that world, what was your life like before you had your near death experience?

Dean Brinson 1:27
Oh, I was born in a family of eight children with a mother and father, and we were kind of very poor. I was born into Montgomery, Alabama, the Civil Rights state in which Doctor King protested and tried to get liberty and freedom for his people. At the early age of about five, my father was laid off from his job. He was a candy maker in a factory, and that created problems for my mother before then, he made enough money at about dollar an hour at that time to he saved up. He was a good saver, and he saved enough money to buy a house. So he bought this house. It had only two bedrooms, and he was very proud of it before he got laid off. So he, when he was laid off, he had enough money where he traveled to Chicago, and he left my mother with about $250 for her to take care of the children, and it was difficult for her at that time without him being there. So she would go next door and talk to her cousin, and they would give us some flour. She could make cornbread. She would get some buttermilk. We would dip bread in the buttermilk, and that was a meal. Sometimes she had a little chicken in the back, a couple of them, and they would lay eggs, so we could eat eggs free. And she would go to the supermarket, and she would buy cheese, bacon and sometimes Kool Aid, different flavors.

Alex Ferrari 3:27
Yeah, so Professor, let me ask you though, are were you raised religious? Were you?

Dean Brinson 3:31
Yes, she's very religious. She took me to Baptist Church, and I was five years old, and she would never miss a Sunday, and she would take a dime or 50 a quarter and put it in church, and she would give us two or three pennies. So everybody got into practice of putting money in church, but my father moved up north. He moved to Chicago, and he stayed with his first cousin, and they allowed him to stay free until he could get a job. So it took him about five months to get a job, and he lived on West Washington Street. I know the exact address. I still remember it, and things started improving. So he sent for all of us, and he rented out his house for the employer, because unemployment was difficult for black people at that time to get jobs, and as time went on, we registered in school, and as I grew up with my family and I became 12, I decided to get a paper route. But before then, I was in the south, I used to pick cotton with my family, and they would pay us $2 a pound, and for 50 pounds, we would make $1 and my sister, she was very clever. She would sometimes put a couple of bricks in the bottom of the bag, see, and she said, you don't put too many. You gotta come up because you're. Want them to discover it. Wow. So we would make about $8 a week, and my mother would take $5 and give us no she would take six and she would give us a few dollars to split with each other. We were very happy, because we never had any water to drink in the house. There was no plumbing equipment. My father, being a carpenter, he built the stove. I mean, took and we would pour water in it and take a bath, and we would take it out, throw it in the yard. That was an outhouse in which, if we had to do number two, we would go out there. And I was afraid at five, because it was about 12 feet deep, and if you fall in there, oh, you would be miserable experiencing and they used to tell there were children who fell in. So as time went on in the north, I worked the paper route and I made $10 a week, delivered on their papers, so I was happy to buy me some gym shoes and some other clothes. Took a little pressure off my mother and I loved playing sports. Baseball was my greatest sport, but basketball, I loved the it even looked greater. So after graduating from elementary school, I went to high school, I graduated early because I went during the summer time, and immediately after graduating, I went to Chicago Teachers College, and after graduating, or even earlier, there, within three years, I immediately got a job and took a little pressure off of my mother and father.

Alex Ferrari 6:39
That's beautiful.

Dean Brinson 6:40
But during that summer month, I believe it was 1960 It was early in the 70s. My brother got killed. He was murdered by a black person, and my parents were at the hospital. My sister got in touch with me and said, You need to come here right away. I said, what happened? She said, Just come here. And she was crying, you need to come so I had a car at that time, I drove to the hospital on the south side, and they were all anymore. Everybody was crying, lot of tears. I started crying, and I started getting depressed. At that time, I'm looking at my brother, brother, he had been shot twice in the face and a couple of times in the chest, and he didn't have a gun. He just was going into a house and this boy, this man, had three children, and brother had got there. He wasn't there. The boy, the man, so he went to get some some beer for the girl that he wanted to date. So when he returned, the fellow was there. They got into an argument, and he pulled out a gun and shot him immediately. And then all of the kids of his ran upstairs. His ex wife ran upstairs, and he shot at them. He missed her, but he hit a child in the arm. The child survived, so she called the police. They came. They arrested him, and he went to jail, but my my lawyer, my mother, got a lawyer, and they wanted to make sure he would stay in jail. So after a year, he had a lawyer, and he had claimed self defense and he was let free. We felt there was no justice. I mean, they caught him. My brother didn't have a gun. But you know, black on black crime, you can easily get away than white on black crime. It's easy in America, even today. So what happened? I became extremely depressed. Question Mark stopped flowing every night in my head. I couldn't get rid of him. I started asking question, God, are you real? Do you exist? Is there justice? So after being depressed, I was extremely curious all the time. So I went on trip, several trips. I went through Canada, asking questions of some people, in churches, in synagogues. I went to the Netherlands, Switzerland. I went to Germany, France, England. I went to the Middle East. I went to Hong Kong, Japan, and I ended up in India, hoping that I could get some answers satisfied, and by a strange coincidence, I met a gentleman. He was much more intelligent than me, highly educated. Had graduated from Harvard University, even though he was an Indian, he had won a fellowship, and he majored in international law and. Business, and he told me a story after I got to know him well, he said when he was at the University, the many of the professors would gather around him and ask him questions, and they were fascinated with his understanding of yoga and all the religions, even though he never got any academic degree in religion. And so they made a recommendation to the President of the University that he should become chairman of the department of religion. Of course, he declined. He had to go back take care of his family. And so after I met him. He gave me a lot of gifts. He befriended me to the point where I never had that experience before. After meeting a stranger, he giving you gift, paying for tours of different parts of India, New Delhi, Canada, and some other places. And I met his family, his wife and three children, and they treated me with so much affection. When I left, everybody was calling me uncle. That was a direct experience of love. So they did, yeah, but before I left, he sat me on a bench in the park, and he started raising his voice at me. I said, Are you mad? He said, No. I said, Why are you speaking so loudly? He said, Because I want you to remember you are made in the image of God. I said, I know that I learned in church. He said, No, you don't know it. He said, this human body is constructed in such a way that every human being can actually get out of the body without pain, go into the higher region, have a conversation with God, and then go back down and get in the body and go to work tomorrow. I almost fell off the bench. I said, that's possible. He said, Yes, my teacher taught me how to do that, and I made a little progress, he said, because he was humble. Okay. He said, Do you want to learn how to do this? I said, Of course. He said, You have to learn how to concentrate attention, because attention is the second most powerful source in the universe, next to God, if you could concentrate your attention, like Jesus says in Luke 6 22, if thy eye becomes single, the whole body shall be full of light. That metaphorical statement made by Jesus was that if you have every human being has nine doors in this body, two eyeballs. That's an opening. It's an aperture in which we can see. Out of this body, we have two holes in the nose, in the nostril, two we can smell good and bad fragrances in this world. We have two ears. We can hear different kinds of forces and different kinds of things, including the wind, the thunder coming from this world. You have a mouth in which you can communicate, and that can create a lot of problems with you. Be safe. You said, Be careful what you say. You told me about Gandhi, who liberated his country. And he said, Gandhi practiced Satan Graha. Sat the Graha means, if you practice telling the truth, regardless of the situation, you will develop a strange city of power where everything you said will become true. I said, Wow. Then he went into, how many doors have I described so far? Let me see how good you are in math,

Alex Ferrari 13:45
Uh, looks like you did 2,4,5, so you have five holes so far.

Dean Brinson 13:52
So you must have flunked arithmetic.

Alex Ferrari 13:55
Absolutely, I am horrible at math.

Dean Brinson 13:58
Two ears, those are,

Alex Ferrari 14:00
Oh, I didn't hear. I didn't, I didn't. I didn't hear the ears. Sorry, yes.

Dean Brinson 14:03
Okay, so that's two ears, two eyes, two nose. I mean, two nostrils, one mouth. That's seven Yes. Then you got two holes in the lower part of the body, one at the buttocks, in which you defecate and get rid of the debris in the body, and one at the reproductive organs. And most men, attention constantly flows to that door. They don't like that part, you know, but they clever enough to use that door, because they very powerful, and they can make you do almost anything. And for five seconds experience we go out of highway, feed the children, create houses, cars, all of that because of the five that tent door gives you so much pressure for five seconds. So going back, there's a tent door. Christ talked about this tent door. He said this door is. Uh, right behind these two eyeballs, about an inch and a half, if you withdraw attention from the lower limbs of the body, come up to the chest. You can in, open up this door. You knock it with love, or you pray with love. It opens and you fly to the different spiritual worlds that exist inside this body. But you have to learn all of this from someone who's qualified. You can't read about it, you can't watch it on YouTube. You can't even learn about it, practically from preachers or ministers. Even the Pope of the Catholic Church doesn't know about these secrets. It's highly secretive. And if you a Perfect Living Master a PLM, as I abbreviated the term, they extremely rare in this world, but they always hear they so rare. My teacher said you can count them on one hand, five. Now there was a teacher by the name of Swamiji. He lived in the 1800s in the northern part of India. He was a Hindu. And there was another teacher. His name was to see Das. And that was another one. His name was solid ground. There was three at that time, and they had different disciples, but they told me, you didn't have no more than 4000 solid ground had a little more and two six dos had less than that. These spiritual teachers will come here, even if there is one disciple looking for them, they don't care about numbers. They come from that high region to pursue those disciples who are extremely desirous and fanatical about finding God. There are three levels of seeking. One, most people are mediocre. But even if you seek at the mediocre level, the least you'll get is religion. If you see intensely, you get to go to bookstores and read about other religions. You start breaking free from some other variation. If you get intensely seeking you will meet a teacher, and it can be a yogi. It can be someone who teaches you how to go to the astral plane. And if you become fanatical, insanely sick, you will meet a perfect, living teacher. And the teacher will appear by coincidence, there's an old saying in India, when the guru, when the disciple is ready, the guru will appear. They said, Sheila, okay, I'm sure you heard of that. So this is a true story. I happen to win a trillion dollar lottery ticket by me, this individual, I call it some money, called trillion dollars. It's actually a currency. If, when you get out of the physical body and go into the astral plane, the currency of a trillion dollars is the concentration of your attention. And with that attention, you can go very far up in astral plane. And if you have a perfect living teacher. He can take you even higher. He can take you all the way back to the Creator. So, in essence, let me get to my clinical death experience. You want me to do that?

Alex Ferrari 18:30
Yeah, please.

Dean Brinson 18:32
Okay, when I had the experience of clinically dying in Chicago in 2019

Alex Ferrari 18:39
How were you? How old were you?

Dean Brinson 18:41
I was let me think. I was about 75 Oh, something like that. Okay, fair enough. And when I died, it was painless, because when I was in the hospital, I got into an argument with my wife. You know, how wives are? You've been with them for a long time.

Alex Ferrari 18:59
I my wife is perfect, Sir, I don't know what you're talking about. She nothing that she says is ever wrong. And I'm the project, sir. I am the project that I'm they're constantly being worked on. She was perfect out of the womb. I'm the one that needs it. I need to be obviously worked on through my entire life.

Dean Brinson 19:18
You similar to me, so I don't have to go too much into that.

Alex Ferrari 19:21
We smell our own, sir.

Dean Brinson 19:23
Well, I'm not gonna let my wife watch this.

Alex Ferrari 19:27
I said, I just, I said, what I said, because my wife might watch this.

Dean Brinson 19:35
How long you've been married?

Alex Ferrari 19:37
20 years.

Dean Brinson 19:38
I've been married twice longer, and more so than you. So I have a little bit more freedom with her, but

Alex Ferrari 19:46
Oh yeah, yeah, you're not going anywhere. She's not going anywhere at this point.

Dean Brinson 19:49
Right! So she got, she got a temper as we were in the hospital. I had, I already had gotten a. Hip surgery on my right hip from playing basketball. I was like, went up for a dog, and somebody came under me. I hit the cement and I and didn't break it, but it fractured a little bit. So I immediately went to the Chicago hospital, packed hospital for treatment, and when I went there, he took x rays, and he said, it's not so bad, but we could get you some surgery. I said, will it heal? He said, Yeah, you young. You only I was at that time, about 19. He said, Well, if it doesn't improve, then you wait and see what happens. So I was glad to hear that news. I continued to play basketball, and that was before I met my teacher. So when I met my teacher and left India, not that he had called me uncle. I flew back to Chicago, and he told me at that time, you need to eat plant based food. You can't make any spiritual progress, even if you got a perfect Master, he may let you make a little bit, but you won't go too far. I said, Why do I need plant based food? He said, because the Lord has made you that way. I said, how do you how do you explain that? He said, the species exist on Earth, 8.4 million, and they all fall within two categories. The category if we fall in as human being, we are non violent species. There are also some animals that also non violent, like we are, horses, cows, sheep, etc. These animals that are non violent have flat teeth. They don't have canine teeth, like scissors. They have fat teeth. When they eat anything, their mouth move in a circle. They chew in a circle, and they masticate and squalid the food because they have a small throat. Then he said, these nonviolent animals all sweat through the skin when they get tired from running, he said, on the other hand, the non I mean the violent animals, they square through the tongue. They their mouth cannot move in a circle. They have sharp canine teeth and strong jaw muscles. They could sneak up on an animal, and they normally grab it by the throat, and they kill it. And then they start like a butcher, slicing it and getting huge sharp, and they chew it a little bit and swallow it, because they have a large gullet, large throat, and they have 2,000% more hydrochloric acid than the non Robin animals. So what happened when I came to Chicago? Let me just go back to the death I had this experience. I was in the hospital. My wife put me in a wheelchair, and she took me up to the fourth floor to meet and have a colonoscopist do his thing. But before we got up to the fourth floor, we got into an argument, and I said, Oh, you know, I told you I didn't need a colonoscopist operation. I've been eating plant based food for nearly 50 years. Mom, things my arteries. Oh, it's pure Esther snow. She raised her hand like she was going to slap me. Keep your I won't say the words, mouth closed. You're going to go through this. I don't care what you say. So as I go through that door to see the colonoscopies, I became very quiet, and I didn't say anything. I nauseously and painlessly left the body, and my teacher was right there, as he had promised. Nobody could see us. I immediately tried to stop them from cutting off my Expensive Jacket, Mm, hmm, and my hands went through their body, just like in the movie Ghost. Patrick's crazy them anymore. I tried to talk. He said, they can't hear you. You let her ghost body. They can't hear you. Let's get out of this place. So before we start flying through the roof, I said, I wanted to see the sun. He said, Why do you want to see it? You see it every day. I said, No, I like to see it up close. So he said, Okay, we flew to the sun in less than a fraction of a nanosecond. You can fly faster than the speed of light. We were there in less than a second. And so when we got there, I looked at Sun, and it was nothing but huge ball of fire, nuclear explosion, atomic implosion, glasses, but I couldn't hear too much. He toned down the explosion. Obviously them experiencing the heat. And he said, Why are you so fascinated? Let's leave this glory in place, and let's. Go to the heavens. So as we traveled upward through a tunnel, I ended up knowing people, seeing some of them that I had known for centuries, and many of them didn't know me, but some of them knew me, and then they asked me a question. He said, Oh, we're not going to ask you. Are you from America? I said, Yes. What state you live in? I said, Chicago. What's your phone number? I gave it to him, knowing that they will go through this valley or this river of forgetfulness and take birth. Knew they wouldn't do that. So as they got into the body, became human. Every human being, when they take birth, I said, not all of them, but a few, but most human beings developed what I call spiritual Alzheimer. They don't recall anything. They do recall Alzheimer to most people, mean, I've seen this before. I've done that before. I take the call and it comes occasionally in some people's lives, the Lord has put that in the consciousness of people for them to figure it out. But if you go deep into trying to understand it, you have lived before. You have been in this world before, millions of times. Maybe since it's creation started. We know that this universe, the physical universe, is they estimated to be 13 billion years, but it's much older than that. So as we travel through these different species, because we have an opportunity to learn by being in a different species. If you a philanderer, you can be born a swan. Swan do never cheat on they never get married. They never cheat again on their life, even if they make dies. If you are that's considered devotion, right? You learn devotion, uh, Obama b The Queen is taken care of. She doesn't have to do anything. All of the other bees will protect her with their lives. If you ever see National Geographic movie, especially if you want to see the quiet Earth, that movie goes into detail and all of these insects, of the species, especially the insect, they give up their life for the queen. That's what God wants you to do. Okay, so by traveling through these species, you learn lessons. You may have to go many times to learn these lessons. And when you become a human being, you got devotion for your family. You don't know where it comes from. You devoted to your wife, even if she cheats on you, you don't know why. You just become a couch potato and watch TV. So devotion is equality, and as you you can even become a tree. The quality that God has in a tree is patient. You can't find anything on earth more patient than a tree, okay?

Alex Ferrari 28:07
Maybe a rock, maybe a rock.

Dean Brinson 28:08
You become a rock too. Consciousness has the capacity to become anything. So you can even become viruses, protozoa, a believers. They have life. They can move around. They eat anything that's conscious. Can behave with movement, except for the tree. The tree give us fruit and fire, and all of them, these species, go through a process of recycling themselves. You find trees. They create pears and oranges. The next year, they come back with other pairs and oranges, you know. So everything is in recycling. So as we travel in the through this tunnel, I and got into the the middle part of astral region. I saw so many people that I knew. Everybody is very loving. Everybody has a strange, almost unconditional love. They embrace you. They they got great knowledge. They don't have to go to school and study like we do in this world. They just look at something, and they get infused with the knowledge of that activity or that something we call that. They also got telepathy. They don't you need to use words to speak. They can words add to the beauty of the conversation. But most of the time, they just read your mind, reading your mind. They can actually listen to your thoughts. They can actually see your thoughts. So there's no possibility of being deceived when you're in that world. Deception can only take place in the physical world. It is we think deception is a good thing. Can be good and bad. You can. Be deceived by looking for a job. People can discriminate against you, then you can get lucky and then end up becoming a millionaire working for somebody else. Okay, so we would not deceive you be stuck with that particular job, but it can be negative too. Uh, men use deception to manipulate women in order to hit and run. Okay? And you most men, if you be honest, when they teenagers, they have hit and run and played that game many times until they meet the right woman. But they don't realize when they play the game of hit and run, they creating karma. They're hurting feelings. They're gonna have to come back into this world unless you meet a perfect, living Master. So we all have good and bad come even if you in order to be human, you have to be born with good and bad karma. You can it's impossible to be a human being without good and bad. Good and bad takes place. Good means you have some you're not retarded. You may get married to a wonderful woman, you have children, but you can get shot by drive by bullets because of bad comma. Okay. Now good karma, we think is good, but good karma keeps you coming back and again and again. Bad comma keeps you back coming. You look bad. And again, the system has been set up by, let me use a principle, time and space, if you want to call it a, B, time and space doesn't want you to escape from itself. And so as you go back in time and space, you keep going back. You have to have a body. In order to be in the physical universe or astral universe, or because of your you have to have a body. And these bodies are traps. You have three bodies, the physical body, the astral body and the causal body. These three bodies are actually inhibiting factors, blocking you from going higher, the mind is the biggest inhibiting factor. Divine is constantly thinking thoughts. Modern day psychologists who've done research, they said the mind thinks over 60,000 thoughts through a day, running through it today. And when people meditate, if you ever sat in meditation and you're quiet. This man is running all over the place. It can go back to child swimming, need high school. It does not stop. You cannot control it, no matter what you do. So the only control is, let me go to sleep, right? We fall asleep, and then we create another body, which we tend to think of us. We fall from the sixth floor, which is sixth floor of this body, and we fall to the fifth floor, which is in this area. And we always get into that floor. And three things happen to us. We become hazier and hazier, uh, finer and finer, and we fall to the fifth floor. When we fall, we immediately create a world which looks just like this world. I don't know if you read it or the holographic universe by Michael tablet. He talks about the hologram, yeah, it's a very good book. But anyway, he said, as we fall into this form, we immediately create a world that looks like this world. It looks as real as this world. And we see airplanes in the sky, helicopters. We see people in the street. We see a lady wheeling a newborn grandbaby down this road, you see an old man at the top of the new building asking for bricks from the younger man below. That process is actually creating time whole new right? We also can go into a bank and try to rob the bank, and the police will capture us, put us in handcuffs, and we go to a judge and we sentence just like in this world, you can eat food, go to the McDonald's that's there, or Burger King, or the hamburger or Big Mac. It tastes exactly like the food in this world, except that texture and the quality is slightly different.

Alex Ferrari 34:22
So you're talking about being in the other side. You're, you're,

I'm talking about dream. Oh, dreaming.

Oh, of course, dreaming gotta, gotta go, yeah. So what? So, so when you're so you when you're being basically torn around by your your master, yeah. Teacher, teacher,

Dean Brinson 34:38
He took me to the Yes. He took me into the astral plane, and he gave me a huge tour of the astral world. We met so many intelligent beings that were scientists working on projects such as Dr Carver did. He came up with over 400 different discoveries and invention from just. The study of the sweet potato plant and the peanut plant. He invented even Robert from these two plants, and Henry Ford, who was a vegetarian, both of them were vegetarian. He wanted to have Carver work in his plant, and he offered Carver six figures. Carver turned it down. He said, I wanted to help my people. Carver didn't care about money. Carl Ford wanted to get those, those tires cheap. Okay. So anyways, so as we go into the astral part, the astral part got partial astral records cash. And you, if you go there, you can examine them, depending on your your ability to concentrate attention. You don't have to go to a library. You just go and concentrate attention. And you can examine some of the actual cash. You can examine your own you can see how you live way back, even then, during the time of Jesus, you may have been a creek or tree, or you may have been a human being. If you're a human being, evidently, you didn't get initiated by him, okay? Otherwise you'll be back. Even Judas has gone back. These masters will love you if you hate them, if you talk about them, if you kill them, they bound to take you back. Regardless, Judas is going back to Peter. Went back into these higher regions in his lifetime. In spite of his great doubt, when the Roman soldiers was ordered by Caesar to go get Peter, he was under the impression that Christ was creating a rumor, if not telling the truth, that he was a king. So when he ordered his soldiers to bring Christ to his palace, he asked Christ the question, I hear that you say you're a king. I'm the king in this area. Are you a king? Christ spoke only at this time. He said, Yes, My kingdom is out of this world. So the king laughed and said, Hey, this is a lunatic. Take him away. And they took him away and he was crucified. A lot of people think when Christ was crucified, they were thinking that he was God, but when they saw him on the cross, they start crying and praying while you let my friend died. God cannot die. It's hard to have faith in God as a human being, Peter had a hard time because he slept with him, went to many places, watched him perform miracles, and yet he denied him three times, even if you were around and a perfect living teacher was around you, the thought can come, if your faith is just intellectual, oh, man, he's talking real, you would start wondering, who's running the universe. When I see him snoring in the bed, who's doing this? You understand these thoughts can come, but if you had great love for him, you wouldn't care. There was a friend of mine who was on this same path I'm on. She was much younger than me, and when I met her, she would tell me, Professor, I would go and follow our teacher, even if he took me to hell. That's how great her love was. I was shocked. I said, I don't want to go to hell, be with the devil, you know? She said, that's, that's the way my position is. She had been on the path much longer in her previous life, and she had made great process progress. She had crossed the causal play. Anyway, after I went into the astral world, it got all kinds of planetary systems, huge, huge world. If you were to compare that world with this world, in this universe, this universe would appear like a quarter in that astral plane, would be the Pacific Ocean. That's how huge that is. As we crossed that world and went into the, oh, that world. Everybody is full of light, full of sound, music. Even the trees are making music. The animals are making music. Like Julian Andrews, she sings in the hills are full of music. In Sound of Music. Everything is full of music. Everything is wonderful, beautiful with joy and happiness. Even the animals don't fight each other, even the sheep and the lion can lay down together. That is true in the Bible. But as we cross that world and go into the causal plane, the total Catholic records exist there, the totality of all species, you can become, if you go far enough in astral plane, you start having the false feeling that I am a God. That's how dangerous it is without a teacher, because you can do almost everything that God does. You can create, you can control. You. The destiny of everybody. You can project time and space. You can, I'll do everything that God does. So the Indian people got a book, and in that book, it talks about going to the to Brahma, which is the causal plan that's where time and space exists. And they think that's God, that's a false god. It's a counterfeit God. The president of that world. That President only can live in that world for so much time. Anything that's in time and space must die. Once you get out of time and space, you immortal. You in the area of salvation, which the Christian call you don't have to reincarnate. That space in the causal plane is much user huger than the astral world. It's like a silver dollar and the causal in the astral world, I mean the causal astral world. The causal world would be as twice as big as the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean put together. That world is huge, gigantic. All of the comma exists in that world, and that President of that world control everything, therefore he, or it, thinks, God, it can't get out of that view. If you could say something and something can happen, if you can do everything in this world, something can happen. People think they profit. So I got these miraculous power. So as we cross that world in a flash of a second we'd end up in going, he took me to the vashu and Doc, that's in the intern, that's the plane of salvation. And in that salvation, tremendous love, enormous love, unconditional love is flowing from the master to you, and you get infected with this. You become unconditionally and thematically loving him as a friend. The Master befriended you on earth, and that friendship lasts all the way up, but it becomes extremely intense in the brainwa, I mean, that's when dark salvation area, and you're jumping with joy. And as I was expanding the great love and happiness in that vision, I asked my teacher, could I stay here forever? He said, No, but if you do what I tell you to do, and after you come back to Earth and perform all your duties and meet all of the people and share all of this knowledge with them, you will immediately go through all of these worlds quickly and go back to your original home.

And I asked him a question. I said, Can I go back on my own. He said, you can try, because the light of your body is that of 16 sons, physical signs and brainwa, which is the next stage before your total home is huge, dark, extremely dark, and it has whirling tones and caves. So as you try to go, you end up moving this way in the cave, turning you end up where you started. You will have souls there for, I don't know how much time, because time doesn't exist, and they're there having a good time, enjoying themselves, they can create islands of themselves and populated these islands with their own consciousness. So they extremely happy. There'd be consciousness that's there, worship them and love them, lacking a dream. If you were in a physical world, if you had the ability to create children and women in countries and different kinds of society, and everybody worship you. If you had that power, you could do that here. Okay, so you can do that there. And my teacher said, sometimes, when I take different souls through this world, I have to hide and duck them, because they'll come to me and ask me if they can come back to Earth. So many of them that I see, I tell them, Yes, you can go back, but you have to come all the way back down to earth to be an ordinary human being. Many have said, No, it's like leaving Hollywood. You got a billion dollars, and you're being told you going to be in a tent homeless in the street. So it's hard to make that decision, but if there was some who made that decision, there was so much suffering from happiness that they wanted to get more and so they asked the masters. Sometimes they would say, yes. They. Willing to pay that price, and they the only ones who went back. So if you want to know how we came back and why we came back to this world, there were uncountable amount of souls. You can't even count them, because on the pen, there are millions of souls on the pen of an eagle. They can shrink, and they can grow as big as an elephant or big as the universe, these souls that are there uncountable numbers, many of them said they wanted to come back to the spiritual fun town, the Disney World, which are these region, because they had wonderful experiences here, and they wanted to come back, but only a few. It was estimated by these Perfect Living Master, only 10% of the souls asked God. It took time before they left. If we get frustrated and we don't like this, bees rigid, how do we get out? The Lord may have it said, I myself will come and get you. You don't have to. I won't send an Angel. I won't send any preachers. I won't send anybody. I myself will come and get you as a human being like Christ said, I'm the father one. Nobody can go back to the Father except for me. We all the sons of God. In the Bible, in Psalms, 86 chapter, second verse, you are all gods. The Bible is full of these statements, but we don't understand them. We human beings are all miniaturized forms of God. We are God's children. We made of the same spiritual stuff that he's made of, but we have to meet a spiritual teacher in order for him to fertilize us, to cultivate us, to associate with us, to teach us how to meditate, and then we can become God. So I don't think I left out anything else, but those souls that said they wanted to come back. The teacher, the P, L, M, said he will personally come back, and they'll become his friend. They'll fall in love with him as a human being, and he will take them back as quickly as possible. You have any other questions you have?

Alex Ferrari 47:15
Yes, yes, yes, Professor, so when you were on the other side was the teacher that was guiding you through this experience. Was he deceased already, or he was no, he was alive.

Dean Brinson 47:28
Yes, he was alive on Earth, working in the office. So when I left that world, I came back and I saw him, and we were friends. We were buddies.

Alex Ferrari 47:38
He did have a conversation. Yeah, he had a conversation about what happened.

Dean Brinson 47:43
I said, I couldn't remember everything, but some memory was there. I said, Why didn't you let me go all the way back? He said, You know, I told you, you can't go back. He was laughing. He said, you have to do your duty. You're going to have so many people to meet and share this knowledge with. And may I ask you, or may I say to you, Alex, that you and many others have brought me back. I don't know if they curse you or to bless you. You brought me back. But anyway, not to be facetious, I came back. I enjoyed him, and then in 2019 that's when I died, and he died in 2020, in December, from Covid. And he created one big problem, which I had told him before he died. I said, You gave me a problem. He said, What is that you gave me the only problem that I got you giving me too much happiness. I don't know what to do. And maybe Alex, you can tell me what to do to get rid of this happiness.

Alex Ferrari 48:47
I have no idea what you could do, my friend, that's something I don't have any idea.

Dean Brinson 48:52
But maybe, maybe you can help me in this area, because I know you've been on YouTube, and some might followers, and I have been too many on YouTube. Tell me where I can find somebody on YouTube who talks about causal playing, dashboard salvation, going back to the ultimate career, and how this creation got started, and why?

Alex Ferrari 49:15
Yeah, yeah, you just have to watch this show. We talk about that kind of stuff all the time. I have Yogi I have yogis on the show. I have mystics, I have swamis, I have scientists. I have every walk of life. And that's one of my favorite topics to talk about.

Dean Brinson 49:35
Well, next time, if you have one of them, the best one, you have ask him or her, have they had an experience of being 1000s of years when they go to the astronaut, your memory comes back to you when you go to the causal plane. Millions of years of memory come back to you when you go to the causal plane. Ask them that I'm sure they will say no, because it's real rare to have these eight. Experiences, most people only have the astral experience, and they don't have they don't go that far. They don't remember being three or 4000 years of age. They don't and causal plane. Nevertheless, they don't have memory of being millions of years of age. This is how the memory works. When you go to second you wake up, you immediately know how old you are. Am I right? You know you're 30, 40, 50, however old you are. That memory comes back. The same thing happens when you go to the astral plane. Your memory come back will be 4000 years of age. It works the same way as causal plane, millions of years, and then we come back the salvation of stage. There's no time, okay,

Alex Ferrari 50:49
Professor, I have to ask you. I have to ask you, you were raised Baptist, yes, a Southern, a Southern Baptist, no less, yes, yes. And all of this information was thrown at you by your teacher when you learned all of this information, all these truths about how the world, how our the purpose of life, and the you know, the other side, and karma and all that doesn't really connect with the Baptist upbringing. So how did you reconcile? How did you reconcile that within yourself?

Dean Brinson 51:23
Very easy. If a Baptist come up to me and she or he doesn't believe in reincarnation, I said, have you had the experience of deja vu? Yes, I feel I've done this before. Seen that before. I said, that is the Lord giving you a hint that you have actually been there before. And if you want proof, I can send you to a psychiatric hypnotist who can take you back and regress you in the memory. If you read Brian Weiss book, many lives, many, mess, many, mess. I mean, I'm sorry, there's another book Tom Schroeder, yes. So in that book, you can start seeing children with memory of previous fires.

Alex Ferrari 52:04
Mm, hmm. So, oh, those are powerful.

Dean Brinson 52:06
Yeah, yes. And so Christian, if they read that and don't believe it, then I said you can go see a hypnotist. I know one in Chicago. She'll charge you $300 and she'll take you back in the memory world, and you'll discover that you were black and being tortured by slaves. You got hung on a tree, and you were Overseer and you beat people and carried them hung you were rich, you were poor. All these experiences come into the mind of memory, but they have to, you have to record them, because when they get out of the trauma, many of them don't remember. So the recording, you start speaking Spanish, and they said, Who's that person? Look at your mouth on the record. Are you speaking? How do I know Spanish? You in Spain? How do you speak? Speaking French? You in speaking French? A lot of Christians thinking that you're speaking in tongue. These are real languages. And you a great mathematician. How do you know algebra, trigonometry? You were a great mathematician before all of these memory come back and the Christian you,

Alex Ferrari 53:10
But you accepted all this information wholeheartedly. You, you never, never once said, Oh, this is not I did have now I did have okay. And

Dean Brinson 53:19
He just said, yes, my teacher said, if you listen to me and practice what I teach you, you will hear a sound. You will hear music in the beginning stages of sound like birds chirpy crickets at night, and when the sound get more intense, it'll sound like a big bell with beautiful music, almost playing. If you read Betty Eadie, or read her in early part of a book, she talks about hearing a bail sound, and that bell pulled her up into the heavens. The sound changes in tonation and in volume as you go higher up in the causal plane. It sounds like a trumpet. It takes you up. They talks about this in the Bible, okay. Mm, hmm. And then if you go beyond the causal plane, you sound like a guitar. As you go higher up to sound changing to violins like Mozart used to play. It's not exactly like that, but I'm giving you some idea of what it sounds like. And if you go higher to the highest plane, it sounds like Bell pipes, like the Irish plane, and it's beautiful army and melody.

Alex Ferrari 54:34
So Professor, when you came back, you just came back to life. And I mean that. How did that happen? When you came back,

Dean Brinson 54:41
My teacher pulled me back. I used to get mad at him. He said, Well, you have to do your duty, otherwise. Imma, bring you back. So I want to come back. So now I'm here dressed as bright black like you are.

Alex Ferrari 54:53
Fair enough. Fair enough.

Dean Brinson 54:54
The Lord knows you don't have any free will. He created illusion of free will. You. In every human being, it's it's extremely important if you knew everything, you couldn't seek. So the illusion of free will is necessary, but God see it as a blessing, because the angels can't seek. They got knowledge. So in the sense the Bible said you hired an Angels, even though you don't Earth, they in heaven. You hire in a sense that you can see, and if you seek intensely, perfectly until you will come to earth and take you back. That's the beauty of the human. And the Lord loves the human more than anything else, because only the human beings can go back to God. They just want to go back. They have to become human, any being. That's how to the causal plane, have to come back and become a human in their learning lesson, there's one lesson I can share with you. There was a boy. He was 16. He was working in a theater on the north side of Chicago, and when he used to go and sweep out the popcorn and take out the trash, he found a bag full of about $8,000 mostly $100 bills, and there was a statement in the bank deposit. Now he could've stole that money. Nobody would've known. He took it to the manager of the theater. In the theater, managed to open up the bag, and the Vice President saw all of his money. He said, Thank God there's a bank deposit. I can get in touch with her. So he got in touch with the lady. She came to the bank, I mean, to the theater, got her deposit and gave the boy $300 and gave manager 100 the boy was very happy. And I said, this boy must have learned the lesson of honesty. How did he learn? He could have learned it in various ways. He could have gone to jail politics. He could have robbed people inside because of the come out. Never do this anymore. That's how you learn lesson. You don't know how, but it's in your nature when you take birth. I won't discriminate against people. I don't care what color you learned that Obama would have never got in office had there not been white people who put it there. These white people had to take birth after being black, it became white, and they voted for him, and Obama was president, even, I'm sure remember you. Okay, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 57:33
Professor, I'm gonna ask you a few kind of rapid fire questions to ask all my guests. Okay, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Dean Brinson 57:40
Living in the shadow of the Lord, practicing meditation deeply with devotion and love and love everybody, including your enemies. Because you don't really have any enemies once you go inside and doing your worldly do this.

Alex Ferrari 57:57
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Dean, what advice would you give him?

Dean Brinson 58:02
I would say, I'll spank his butt. So say no, but my mother used to spank me, and she died at the age of 80. So when she, I mean 100 so when she, just before she died, when she was about 80 to 83 I went to see her. She was in a nursing home, and I said, My dear, please give me a slap. She said, why? I said, slap me. I wish you had beat me more with the dying courts you had, because you helped me a lot. You allowed me to look for the Lord, and I'm intentionally grateful you should put all your children more than including me the most. I'm the only one in the family that's on the spiritual path, and that's been eight of us, so many help me.

Alex Ferrari 58:56
How do you define God?

Dean Brinson 58:58
God is omniscient everywhere, present and has total power. He is. He's the only thing that exists. He has a problem too. He does not know how to create another being. He only created illusions of himself. And he does it for a reason. I normally don't say this, but the Lord is lonely yourself, any all your whole audience, if they were to examine their consciousness, they would be lonely if there were no people or animals on earth and they were living here by themselves.

Alex Ferrari 59:35
If you could ask a God one question, what would it be?

Dean Brinson 59:38
It would be, please help everybody to love animals and not kill because 55 billion animals are being slaughtered every year and we eat them. 55 billion, that's more than the population of America is only 300 million. So you can imagine how great that killing is, and a huge amount of is created from them. You know, in your heart, every human being, if you were to ask anybody if they're driving an automobile and maybe moving down the road, and if I squirrel or chicken runs in front of that car And they surprised and shocked, they automatically will squirm and stop. That's that nonviolent pulsation operating in the body which makes us do this when we don't think, okay. So I would ask God to help the animals.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:43
Fair enough. Where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing in the world?

Dean Brinson 1:00:47
They can go to my website. I have other a lot of lectures on this particular thing iseak.org Okay, and and sometimes we have meetings and lectures in Chicago, and sometimes they're huge, where hundreds of people attend, and we don't charge anything, because my teachers say, Make everything free. But when they come, we arrange for them to be catered to by a healthy, plant based dish, and it has food similar to the food we manufacture. My teacher taught us how to come up with food. You may want to look this up on your website. We manufacture catfish tastes exactly like catfish. We manufacture chicken wings. We put a wing on a chicken because some barbecue sauce on it. It tastes just like barbecue chicken. We make hot dogs. It tastes just like Chicago hot dogs. You can't tell the difference. We make eggs. They frozen. Taste exactly like eggs. They already been sauteed. You just put them in the skillet for a little while until they thaw out. And you don't have to add any sauce or seasoning. You can, but you don't. You put them on a sandwich with some cheese. You can take them to the lunch we coming up with tuna salad. We trying to come up with all kinds of food to make it easier for people to make this church issue. My teacher said, God is doing that. He want people to become merciful and kind, not to kill these animals. Because if somebody were to cut their ear off and fry as a child, he would eat it too and go into a restaurant, say, give me some barbecue here. Put some ketchup on, as a child, we don't know any bout it okay?

Alex Ferrari 1:02:48
Professor, I appreciate you telling me your amazing story, your amazing journeys that you've been on, and I hope that this conversation helps a lot of people around the world when they watch it. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken this planet, my friend. So thank you.

Dean Brinson 1:03:02
Thank you. If you want me to come back, have your people and in your audience write questions, and we can go deeper into the question, including the Bible. Okay? Thank you.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:12
Appreciate you, my friend. Thank you.