Living While Dying: A Soul’s Journey Home with Peter Redgrove

Peter Redgrove 0:00
Life doesn't end when we die, it's a rebirth. The life we've lived determines which level we go to. That's my belief.

Alex Ferrari 0:12
We are the only animal on the planet who understands that they're going to die. Yet we we live our lives in many ways, like it's going to go on forever.

Peter Redgrove 0:23
He said, it's wonderful. It's wonderful. We're all one. He fell back died. That's how I would describe God and the life over there is more beautiful, of course, with a caveat, depending on the life you've lived here.

Alex Ferrari 0:56
I'd like to welcome to the show Peter Redgrove, how you doing Peter?

Peter Redgrove 0:59
Not bad for an old guy, not bad for a guy that's facing demise head on.

Alex Ferrari 1:11
Well, I, I appreciate this conversation more than you'll ever know this our mutual friend James van Praag, recommended that we speak, and when he told me your story and what you were doing, how brave you were with what you're dealing with, and we'll tell everybody about what's happening in your life, I knew I had to have you on the show, because, as we were saying before we came on air, I think this conversation will continue to ripple Throughout the years to come and will be seen by the people who need to see it when they need to see it. So before we even get started, just want to thank you so much for your bravery and your willingness to talk about death and dying in such a, you know, head on kind of way where

Peter Redgrove 1:58
My honor to and it's my last contribution to the world that I was born into. You know, I think we all have a responsibility to add a little something, make a little better than than we found it.

Alex Ferrari 2:16
Absolutely, absolutely. So can you tell everybody what your diagnosis is right now and what stage you're in.

Peter Redgrove 2:23
Yeah, I have late stage, bone, not bone. Oh, God, thank God for that. Bone marrow cancer, and you know, accompanying that, of course, is leukemia, so one begets the other, and I have, at best, several months. At best, I've already, I think, outlived my oncologist estimation of how long I'd be here. Three months ago, I was very close to passing and for some reason I rallied, and all my numbers were elevated. But I'm now going into my ninth round of chemo. My gosh, yes, and I have so please bear with me. I have something that's very real. It's called chemo brain, and sometimes I have difficulty. The word is on the tip of my tongue. I can't get it out. My memory is certainly to say short term is an understatement. So I have made some notes, and I hope you'll forgive me if I refer to them occasionally.

Alex Ferrari 3:55
You're doing chemo right now, for a lot of people think that chemo is a cure, and it is for many kinds of cancers, it can be, but you're using it basically to kind of keep you alive. Because, from my understanding, bone marrow cancer, you really can't operate on it. You can't, you can't. It's you're pretty much, you know, it is what it is.

Peter Redgrove 4:16
It is what it is. And the only, the only thing that might help in the long term is stem cell therapy. But I'm too old and I've got too many underlying issues for that to happen, which is fine, you know, I'm not unhappy about that. I I treasure life and but I'm also looking forward to what's going to happen on the other side, as you may know, or I have a very. Very strong belief in the afterlife and and that's I've had an interest in that for many, many years, way before I even thought that, you know, death was in my future. You know when we're younger, of course, you know we were immortal in our own minds. And you know, I read books on the subject by Edith Kubler Ross, who was one of the pioneers in bringing the whole issue of death and dying up to a public forum. And books, I don't know if you're familiar with them, the Anthony Bucha books, I've heard of them, yes, yes, yeah, they're fascinating. And I was completely fascinated with them. And more recently, I found a wonderful book that anyone who is in my situation might want to take a look at it's a book, and it addresses both the practical and the spiritual side of dying. And I'm going to hold it up and show you a shell for the book no interest other than the subject. It's called, yeah, it's wonderful. It's a wonderful book. And I read

Alex Ferrari 6:26
The art of dying. Well, yeah, the art of dying,

Peter Redgrove 6:28
The of dying well, I recommend by Katie Butler, and I recommend it to all families. This is something they should have.

Alex Ferrari 6:39
Well, Peter, there's something that's very interesting in your past, because you are indirectly responsible for helping the kind of like opening the doors to psychic and mediumship in the mass, in the mass understanding, yes, because you actually, you actually helped James get off his butt and actually write a book his first Yeah, and that book was such a it was one of those books that just, it was one of those catalyst books, yeah, it's a classic now, in the scope of of the afterlife, spirit communication, all of that the book, I forgot the name of it. The book again, what was his name of the book, walking to heaven, talking to heaven, of course. And that book is, it's just one of those books that really changed the game. And then and Scott and shot James into the spotlight, into the stratosphere,

Peter Redgrove 7:37
Exactly. And of course, that was the platform that really works back then. I mean, the whole field of publishing, book publishing has changed, but in that time, it took me a year of nagging and nudging. I said, for God's sake, James, you've got to write this book. It's the springboard. And of course, you know, we ended up on Oprah and a lot of other TV shows, Larry King and but what it demonstrated was how timely it was, and what a hunger and a thirst there was by the general public for information on the whole process of death, dying and bringing an awareness that life doesn't end. When we die, it's a rebirth. It's a transformation of energy, because that's all we are, where energy is a transformation of energy from one form into another, and it's nothing to be afraid of. It's as natural as birth, right? We celebrate birth. We should celebrate rebirth. What I've referred to it always, the day of death is the rebirth day, and we go back to our our real homes.

Alex Ferrari 9:08
Now, Peter, let me ask you, you said you have a great belief in the afterlife and in this in spirituality. Yes. Can you explain to people why you have this belief and what has happened in your life to reaffirm these ideas? I asked this question because there's so many people who either for religious backgrounds or fear other things, who don't believe in the afterlife and think this is a bunch of Who hoo ha, but they're watching but they're watching this conversation, so they're curious.

Peter Redgrove 9:41
Yes, well, there are a couple of reasons that I've come to this strong belief. And it's not just a belief, it's very, very strong, and I'll go into it later. I've had plenty of evidence that there is life after life. Yeah. Uh, the thing that first of all that convinces me is common sense. Well, give when we're born, why you'd like to call it Uncommon Sense. These days, there's not a whole lot of evidence that we're living in an age of common sense, but that's a whole nother discussion. It doesn't make any sense to me that we're given choice, conscience and free will. Why? If there's nothing, and I think if people dig, if they go inside and dig deep, they'll find they have soul, something quite separate from the physical. But the common sense approach convinced me. I thought, well, if this is it, it's a very bad joke. And, you know, I'll have someone dig a hole and jump in and have them cover me up. It doesn't make any sense. The other thing is, just intuitively, I knew I know, and my intuition has been probably the most valuable tool that I've had coming into and living through my life. The third thing is sitting with James, many, many, many evenings in circle and having absolute evidence of spirits coming through, people coming through. And it was one of these circles that a gentleman by the name of Harry came through to me and said, told me what I needed to do with James. But the first time I met James, I knew, intuitively, I knew he brought through, in a number of private readings, people that no one else knew, and certainly James didn't know. And the first reading I had with James, he brought through my partner of 18 years who had passed a year previously, knew nothing about me, knew nothing and describe, not only described the person, described the photograph and a frame that it was in in great detail, the frame that the picture, my favorite picture of him is in, is an art nouveau picture. It was described in great detail. And then he went from room to room, describing my home. And I mean, it was really remarkable. But then I was advised, you say by Harry that you've got work to do with James. And I saw, I had a vision of his entire life in a way I knew what I had to do, and I also understood that my job in this lifetime, this most important job, was going to be on the sidelines. You know, I never saw celebrity. I'm not interested in it, but I was very, very interested in elevating James in many, many different ways. I was there by his side for years, and still I am advising, counseling and again, using my intuition, but I know without a shadow of doubt, Alex, that we survive physical death and that we you Know, as I think, I forget who said it. It's like going from one house to a more beautiful house, and the life over there is more beautiful, of course, with a caveat, depending on the life you've lived here and the life you live here prepares you for the great event, and the great event, which is a mystique, it's we still, you know, I haven't been there. I don't know. I mean, I've been there many lifetimes, I believe, and I'll have many more. But. Actually, in this incarnation, I haven't been over there and come back and said, you know, that's the one thing I a lot of people on, on your show, have had, nd ease. You know, if I have a weird wish, it is, I wish I'd had one.

Alex Ferrari 15:20
Having a near death experience is, is a is a blessing. You shouldn't have to die to have it. But many, but many people who have had it are very grateful for it, because they now understand that they're they have proof. They have in it, just you can't argue with them about it, because they know what they saw, they know what they felt.

Peter Redgrove 15:42
It's transformational. Now, some people come back with psychic abilities. Other people come back with people who wouldn't remember what they had for breakfast. But they can remain they can be mindful in every single detail of the out of death or the near death experience that they may have had 20 years ago, they're very much so very much. Yeah, and spirit has found a way to bring this whole issue of death dying up to discussable level. We, you know, it's something I've tried to talk about for many, many years with friends and acquaintances, usually met with a great deal of reluctance. Oh, we don't want to talk about this.

Alex Ferrari 16:35
It's fas, It's really fascinating. We are the only animal on the planet who understands that they're going to die, that we're the only one who has an understanding of that, a true understanding of it. And yet we, we live our lives in many ways, like it's going to go on forever. So we, we abuse our bodies. We do things that we're not supposed to we eat the things that we're not supposed to eat, we take risks with our bodies. That is when you're when you're a young man, as I'm sure you remember, we did stupid things.

Peter Redgrove 17:11
Oh my god. And I think of the things I've done in my life. Oh, my Lord.

Alex Ferrari 17:17
How are you alive? How are you alive in this point?

Peter Redgrove 17:21
Well, yes, you know, I was the child of the 60s. I lived through 60s in seven days. You know, the great love ends and,

Alex Ferrari 17:21
Oh yeah, there might have been some weed, some drugs,

Peter Redgrove 17:34
At the very least, yeah, you know, you know, in a way, I've lived in the best of times and the worst of times, the worst of times, was the price that was paid, you know, I'm a gay man, and the price that was paid for all that loving, quote, loving, it was terrible, terrible. Sure. I spent a number of years as a volunteer in in an aid unit hospice. Of course, it was a death sentence. At that time, I spent seven years, one day a week, helping dolls pass. And that was

Alex Ferrari 18:21
So it sounds like you've kind of always been around this topic in one way, shape or form. You've been, you've had an understanding of it, and it seems like, and it's what I find fascinating about spirit and about the universe, our soul plan, and everything that we come into this incarnation with, is that everything that we do in our life prepares us for what we're supposed to be doing, and your entire life has prepared you to be able to share like this at this point in your life, it's pretty

Peter Redgrove 18:52
Absolutely

Alex Ferrari 18:53
It's pretty magical.

Peter Redgrove 18:53
Absolutely yes. And you know my childhood also, I mean, I had a fractured childhood, surreal in many respects, and that's a whole different story, but it prepared me to live a life of independence, but most importantly, a life of an empathetic way of looking at people and situations, and it has prepared me. It has prepared me. I've been very fortunate in the way as a child, I suffered all kinds of abuse, but it made me strong and it made me independent, and I certainly wasn't going to allow it to the negatives. Part of it to define me. I lived with a lot of anger, until I a very, very young man, and I had a wonderful experience by. Gentleman who literally gave me a whack on the face and said, wake up, wake up. And that was that was a real transformational moment in my life. I was shocked into not playing the blame game. Beautiful, you know, we can all that's the easy thing to do is to point fingers and say, you know, it's your fault. It's your fault. No, no, we are all responsible for our own happiness or unhappiness.

Alex Ferrari 20:39
Peter, I want to ask you, what is the thing that has surprised you the most about the dying process,

Peter Redgrove 20:47
The sentiments that and the feelings that it releases and it brings when I was diagnosed with this? I mean, I'm not a young guy. I'm 84 years old. I've lived a long life, much longer than I ever expected. The thing that brought not surprised me, but it was very effective. The diagnosis you've got X number of months, you may have a year, year and a half, if you're super lucky, and how it changes priorities very, very quickly. By driving a real, expensive car with a lot of gears, you have to change gear real quickly, and it changed my view of a lot of things. It's as though the layers in my eyes were being peeled back, peeled back, peeled back, and I look back, and the only reason I ever look back is say, What the hell did it was I thinking, and what have I learned from it? And it changed my priorities a lot. I thought, well, this is no longer something that's theoretical. I mean, I know, intellectually, I'm going to die, but emotionally, psychologically, this is something I'm facing head on, and the chances are very high. Alex, six months from now, I won't be here. You know, I've been busy packing my spiritual suitcase.

Alex Ferrari 22:46
What does that mean? Exactly, what does that mean? Exactly, can you, can you?

Peter Redgrove 22:49
Well it means, it means, you know, as I said before, a life well lived is the best preparation for for death. And we all want a good death, and I want a good death. But the thing I've always done in my life, when I've taken trips and I've been fortunate, I've taken traveled all over the world, I packed too much. Always packed too much, and it's that what if, and trying to cover every contingency. Well, you can't do that. You need steamer full of trunks. It's getting rid of old emotional and psychological baggage, getting rid of things that have caused you stress, things that we see we get caught up in the minutia of everyday life, sorting out What's what's important. I, for one, want to travel light. I just want basically a little bag with a toothbrush, and, you know, that kind of baggage. I don't want to take any baggage, and that gets it into the whole area of forgiveness and and forgiveness. That's been a big lesson this lifetime, very big lesson, and a hard one. And I've given myself the gift, and it is a gift of forgiveness. It certainly allows me to move forward, even in this limited time, lighter with love and generosity of spirit, and I spend a good deal of time i. Thinking about things that could have done better. This gets to something I feel is really important, Alex, we all know, at least those of us who've watched your programs, and I've watched you for a couple of years now. Thank you. No, as you've I feel humbled that I'm here people like Greg Braden. He's he. I can't wrap my head around the knowledge this man has, and I'm going off on a tangent. But extraordinary man, and there are things that become very, very important. And as I said, forgiveness, giving yourself the gift of loving yourself. And because of my childhood, I had a very, very difficult time loving myself and feeling adequate. The abuse was not only physical, but it was deeply emotional, and that leaves its scars. So I've always felt like the salmon, you know, swimming upstream through life,

Alex Ferrari 26:23
And so forgiveness is one of the key lessons and one of the key things that you're focusing on during this this process. You probably worked on it prior to this process, but it really sharpened the the tool, if you will. At this point, you're like, oh, oh, I gotta, I gotta get going.

Peter Redgrove 26:42
Yes. Well, you know, holding grudges, and it becomes like a big hump on your back, and the longer you hold on to it, the bigger it gets, and it gets to a point where you just cannot move. And it's very important in life to move forward and not be static, and thank the good Lord, I realized that early enough to put a lot of corrective behavior into place. I've been very fortunate in a way. Alex, you know, I've lived a fairly successful life, and that's got nothing to do with with stuff, money, and it's none of that. It's and, you know, it's where you start that matters that determine how success, successful your life has been. Where did you begin and what did you begin with? How far have you come?

Alex Ferrari 27:53
Peter, let me ask you. There's so many people watching right now who have fear about dying and the uncertainty of death, right? I have people in my family who you can't even say the word, and they're around your age, healthy, thank God, but, but they just don't even want to think about it or talk about it, because they are terrified of the unknown, the uncertainty of fear. What advice do you have for people who are going through this process, either themselves dying in the dying process, or watching one of their loved ones dying as well? What advice do you have to overcome this uncertainty and fear?

Peter Redgrove 28:38
All right, I've been around it. I'll address what you say to dying people. Very often you don't need to say very much of anything. You need to be there and listen, holding a hand and just listening. There's great wisdom to be had from people who are dying. There's great wisdom to be had from very young children, the old and the young, and as far as as far as advising and helping people who have fear. There are a lot of books I found for myself. I found all the Anthony Bucha books to be very, very helpful. I also found there's a book friend of mine. You human, I don't know if he's been on your show Dr. Brian Weiss,

Alex Ferrari 29:43
The name sounds very familiar. I'm not sure if he's been in the show, though,

Peter Redgrove 29:48
Gosh, he'd be a wonderful guest. He wrote many lives, many monsters.

Alex Ferrari 29:53
Yes, of course, that's why it sounds familiar. Yes, I haven't. I had him on. I tried, but he's not doing interviews right now. He said. Itself, but it's such a wonderful book. I mean, that book is instrument.

Peter Redgrove 30:05
It's transformative. And I've always and I gave that book to many, many people that I was privileged to take care of in in the AIDS unit. It kind of puts a frame around the picture of your life, and makes sense again, another, another way of reinforcing the notion that we're not just flesh and bones. We have a spirit. We have a soul that is the essence. That's the essence of who we are that continues. And I've tried to I think a good way to approach it is to ask people, why do you not believe that you are something more than this physical body. A lot of it is ignorance, and I don't mean that in the negative sense. They haven't done much to dissuade themselves of their own belief that there is nothing great philosophers and scientists have all come at some point to the belief that there is life after life. Some of the great minds of you know the 20th and 21st Century have come to that conclusion. And who are we to argue with that? Einstein was one of them. Bertrand Russell, in fact, converted to Catholicism. It's they all come to religion, and it's not Which reminds me a very funny story. You know who WC Fields was, of course, of course. Yeah, well, he was very ill, and a friend of his came to the hospital and was shocked to see him sitting up in bed, reading the Bible. And he said, Bill, what the hell are you doing? He said, looking for loopholes, looking for loop.

Alex Ferrari 32:38
Oh, that's wonderful.

Peter Redgrove 32:40
Looking for a little story, and I think the best way to approach it is gentle persuasion. Leave books if the people read or even watch these videos, there's so many available on MDs, I would encourage people to watch them. I mean, some of these people are very eminent people. They're not flakes, they're not crazy. Oh no, no. So if the advice I would give is leave appropriate books, like talking to heaven, the Anthony Bucha books, I had a strange, not strange, it's not strange for me. I was sitting after my partner had passed, about two years after, I was sitting in my library, very quiet, very still reading, and a book flew off the shelf, and it was this book,

Alex Ferrari 34:01
Here and the hereafter.

Peter Redgrove 34:03
Anthony Bucha, book, it just flew off the shelf.

Alex Ferrari 34:07
Peter, let me ask you a question. Have you do you meditate? Or have you meditated?

Peter Redgrove 34:11
Yes, I do

Alex Ferrari 34:15
So have you ever or in a dream or anything? Have you been shown what will happen. Have you seen a scene of your of your death? Because a lot of people do see those things like that. So you haven't been given that gift yet, but you've been giving so many others.

Peter Redgrove 34:32
Yes, I have not, no,

Alex Ferrari 34:35
But you have James, no, but you have James. And James is telling

Peter Redgrove 34:38
You know, we'll be sitting, we'll be having a conversation, and he'll look and say, oh, so and so's behind you. Said, there are always people around you. I said, Well, I've been told that. You know, wherever I travel, I travel with large groups,

Alex Ferrari 34:57
An entourage, if you will, an entourage.

Peter Redgrove 35:01
Exactly you know. And he said, My the other day, my father, whom I never knew. I didn't know who he was, was came, was standing beside me, and he described him, so that's one of the people I'm looking forward to meeting on the other side. And that's, you know, how can you not? How can any intelligent, smart person deny the existence a of soul, and that the soul continues this journey after you shed this this body, it again. It comes back to a common sense. It doesn't make any sense that we're here, and that's it. What's the point?

Alex Ferrari 36:04
Well, exactly, I always say that too, is like, okay, so you mean to tell me that you came into this life to be a gay man, being being raised in the 50s, in the 60s. And I was, I was born a Latino man, you know, born in Florida, in America, in America, and that's it. That's the only experience I get. I don't, you know, I there's so many different experiences on this planet, from tribal to being a billionaire, and everything in, everything in between, from a monk to an atheist, to a woman, to a man, to there's so many. And depending on where you are, being a man or woman, or a gay man or a gay woman, or any colored person, or it depends on where you are. So a woman being born in 19 a black, a black man born in 1850, really really rough situation, you know? So it's so so that's another experience. So to me, it never made sense, on a logical standpoint, that we only get one, one shot at this, and it just so happened that this is the life we live. How about the kids who die at birth? How about children who die early and like, you know, how much? How about someone who had just abused their entire life? Or how about someone who just was so wealthy and lived a wonderful life, and that's the only experience they get? It doesn't make sense to me, reincarnation, when that idea was introduced to me, that made all that just makes logical sense, an evolution of the soul by experiencing everything, everything that this, this planet, this beautiful planet has to offer. Because there's literally infinite experiences in the school that we have here Earth, if we look for them, very well put,

Peter Redgrove 37:58
If we look for them. And I think it's very important to have a what I call a spiritual peripheral vision.

Alex Ferrari 38:05
What does that mean?

Peter Redgrove 38:06
It means being aware, not just physically, of what's going on around you, but doing a very quick interpretation spiritually. How does this? How does this fit spiritually, with with, with me as a spiritual being, the things that are going on around you. How do I deal with them? And that's, you know, it's a challenge. At times. You see things that are going on that are so offensive to your spirit and again, why? Why do you feel that way? Reminds me another story. I like telling these stories, please. The billionaire that passed away went up to the pearly gates, was met by the Lord, and Lord said, Well, my son, I'm pleased to see you. Let me show you to a new home, and so he took him by the hand and walked down one Boulevard after another. The houses were magnificent, unlike anything that you could ever imagine on this earth, and turned the corner, came to another street, and then came to a place had a little picket fence, and way in the back of the lot was this very modest shack, in a way, that's all it was. Us. And Lord said to the billionaire, well, this is your new home. And the billionaire said, But Lord, you know who I am. He said, I know who you are. And he said, but there must be some mistake. He said, No, no, it's no mistake. We built the best that we could build with the material you sent.

Alex Ferrari 40:28
That's amazing.

Peter Redgrove 40:30
So I've always believed, Alex, that if you're blessed with good fortune, good resources, you have a that comes with a responsibility, that comes with a responsibility you have to use it. I mean, you have to use it to again, make things better for people who have not been as fortunate. Yeah, hmm, bad question. Yeah, generosity. You know, nothing goes with us. I've never seen a shroud with a pocket.

Alex Ferrari 41:13
I think it was Danion Brinkley, who's a near death experience, or he's like, You never see a U haul attached to a hearse.

Peter Redgrove 41:22
Exactly. I love. That isn't that amazing, yeah, but it's so true. You know, unlike the Egyptians, who, you know, buried stuff themselves with, you know, complete palaces, interiors of palaces. Have you been to Egypt? Have you traveled?

Alex Ferrari 41:43
Not yet. I'm hoping to go next year.

Peter Redgrove 41:45
Yeah, it's wonderful, actually, to to see those tombs. And I, I cannot believe those were built by, you know, without, without help from some Yeah, outside help.

Alex Ferrari 42:01
That is a whole other episode and a whole other conversation. I've spoken to Greg Braden about that on multiple occasions. It's one of my favorite topics to talk about is how those were built

Peter Redgrove 42:11
Extraordinary when you see it, you can't put a razor blade between these blocks that way tongues.

Alex Ferrari 42:18
Peter, let me ask you, What lessons do you believe that dying have for to teach the living?

Peter Redgrove 42:24
How to live better, how to live more fully, how to put the priorities in the right place? Mean in at the end of the day, what matters at the end of the day? What matters? What matters is how many lives you've touched in a positive way. How much love Have you given, how much love have you allowed yourself to receive? And bottom line is, have you made a difference? And that's part of when I was speaking with James on his podcast, I said, you know, it occurred to me I woke up one morning and thought, you know, the common denominators in near death experiences is the life review and and that's something that should either terrify you, if you've been a bad person or or Not the other way, and there's no judgment there. You by anyone other than yourself, and that's more terrifying. And there's no jury, there's just a mirror.

Alex Ferrari 43:55
Oh, yeah, that's so much worse. It's so much worse than someone pointing a finger at you than just looking in a mirror. Oh, it's so it's so powerful. Peter, so Peter, there's, there's a, you know, I'm a recovering Catholic, as I like to joke around me too. Yes. Okay, so you would understand this. Then, when I was in first grade, the priest comes in and gives us a lecture about hell. I went home crying to my mom and go, I want to go to hell. I'm a good boy. Like, it literally traumatized me. Like, can you imagine telling a first grader it's just horrible. It's such a horrible thing that they do and then, but for so many people who live their lives with this terrifying fear of hell, which, and we don't want to get into it, but it actually is a misinterpretation of what Jesus actually said. There is actually no hell. Then Dante showed up with that amazing book, The Inferno, and then the. The Catholic Church grabbed onto that and and so on and so forth. So the concept of hell, to me, doesn't make sense. But what can you tell people who are sitting here listening to this, who may have a concept of hell, either through Catholicism or through their own religious beliefs, which, depending on there's many, many many religious beliefs that believe in that kind of thing from 80s, back in the day, and all of that. So it's a common idea that there's a place that where all the bad people, all the bad souls, go. What did? What advice do you have for people who are holding on to this and it's making their dying process horrible?

Peter Redgrove 45:41
I've encountered it a lot. It's pure fiction, and it was devised as a controlling mechanism by the early Catholic Church. Some of the the great writings that were in the Bible were excised by by

Alex Ferrari 46:04
The Council of Nicea.

Peter Redgrove 46:06
Yeah, exactly, exactly. There's a contradiction here. On the one hand, you're taught that God forgives, loves all of His children were all made in His likeness, correct? Well, if we're all made in His likeness, explain. Hitler Stalin, is that his likeness and there is, there are different level but this is how I would explain it. There are different levels of consciousness, and we're all we all vibrate. It's all vibration at different levels. And the life we've lived determines which level we go to. That's my belief. From my perspective, there's no burning fiery pit. There's none of that. What there is is a place of darkness and a place of regret. I don't think there's anything quite as bad as a place of regret when you see in your as a spirit, as a soul, what could have been, what should have been, but what you did with what you were given? I mean, there are, there are people who've given great skills as orators, and they've used it for bad, negative purposes instead of for good, instead of moving nations to be part of a global community, caring for each other and loving each other, the opposite, they will move to kill, to hate and not love. So I think Hell is a place of fiction, but Hell is a place at its worst, is a place of darkness if you've lived a really, really evil life, and I don't think the majority do that. I believe in the goodness of people, and I believe the majority of people have good hearts and good spirits, and they just want to be left to live their lives comfortably, freely in a community that cares with and for each other, which I believe in the future is going to come back very much. I see that very clearly.

Alex Ferrari 49:06
What does the concept of a good death mean to you, spiritually and emotionally?

Peter Redgrove 49:14
Okay, emotionally, you've cleared up unfinished business with friends, family, acquaintances, you're at peace with, with relationships. The second thing is, spiritually lived, a life that recognizes love is not just a word, it's a real force that you have forgiven yourself for mistakes you've made, and we've all made them, and it's very, very hard. Well to forgive, but the hardest thing is forgiving yourself. Very true. So I think a good death is one which you have made peace with situations and people physically and you've made peace with yourself, acknowledge your mistakes, forgiving yourself from the mistakes, and focusing really on the good stuff you've done in your life.

Alex Ferrari 50:37
And that was emotionally How about spiritually?

Peter Redgrove 50:42
Same thing, the spirit is preparing yourself for the life in the next realm. I mean, we, I think spiritually, it's all part of what I just said, loving, forgiving and understanding. That the only reason we're here and we choose to come here, by the way, it's not random. I call it the universe's pit stop. We're here to rotate the tires, you know, a little oil, but get that car back on the track. It's the universe's pit stop.

Alex Ferrari 51:47
What advice do you have for someone to begin to make peace with their own mortality?

Peter Redgrove 51:53
Read, there's plenty of material now available that was never available before. I think Talking to Heaven is a good is a good start. Many lives, many masters, is a good start. And the Anthony Bucha books, the book I showed the Betty, the Katie Butler book, The Art of dying well, is a very, very good book. It's, it provides a road map, not only in terms of physical preparation, but spiritual preparation. It's very, very easy read, and it's, it's almost like a bucket list of things that you should do in preparing for death, but the best thing you can do is live a good life. Live a life that is governed by love, generosity of spirit, and the probably one most important things you can do in this life that carries a lot of weight on the other side, apparently, service, service to others. Very true volunteerism. It's a very important thing.

Alex Ferrari 53:20
Now, Peter, I'm going to ask you a few questions that I ask all of my guests. Okay, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Peter Redgrove 53:29
I think completing the tasks that we came here to complete. Um, service to others, I think, is a very big component of a good life. I was fortunate. I couldn't speak for myself and that I was given a very clear indication of what I had to do with James, and that that work, and it goes way beyond just his first book, been a lifelong his it's been a lifelong job of guiding him and assisting him and helping him. I think it's completing tasks you came here to perform, and we all agree, you know, to the to the situation that we are born into family, circumstance, etc, and there isn't anything we're confronted with that we can't handle. We've got. All the tools, I believe we bring enough in nature's toolbox, which is intuition from other lifetimes. We bring enough, not everything, but enough to meet the challenges we agreed to me, and overcome a full life is one at the end of the life, you can say, well, I experienced a lot of difficulties, but I got through them. You can't you've got to get through stuff to grow, and you can't go around them, under them or over them. You go through them. And if you've experienced a lot of problems in life, a lot of obstacles, and you survive them, and survive them without becoming a cynic or a person full of grudges and hate and entitlements, you've lived a good life, beautiful, good life, if you you know, I haven't had that good fortune. This lifetime wasn't meant for me, you know, to raise a family and raise them with a real sense of values and their own worth and their own value and what's important. You know, it's not the size of the bank account or the toys, it just isn't but none of that stuff goes with us

Alex Ferrari 56:44
Now Peter, if you had a chance to go back in time and speak to Little Peter, what advice would you give him?

Peter Redgrove 56:49
Love more and tell the people that I never had a I was not wise enough to tell at the time how much I cared about them and loved them.

Alex Ferrari 57:03
Now, what advice would Little Peter give you?

Peter Redgrove 57:05
Don't sweat over the small stuff.

Alex Ferrari 57:10
Very true. Very true.

Peter Redgrove 57:11
Don't waste your energy. You know, it's at the end of the day. It doesn't matter the small stuff and have more faith in yourself and for goodness sake, look for opportunity to learn. Everything we do, everything we say, you know, has a consequence, and that's something I would certainly advise the younger Peter, everything, even our thoughts, have energy. They have power.

Alex Ferrari 57:55
How do you define God or Source?

Peter Redgrove 57:59
Another story. Best way I can. One of my neighbors was a very, very famous Hollywood person who became very friendly. His favorite food was rice pudding. You know, I'm a cook, so I may russ could take him up to him, and I was honored and privileged to be by his bedside when he was about to take his Last breath, right before he took his last breath, he was practically comatose, but he raised himself up, held his arms out, smiled. He said, it's wonderful. It's wonderful. We're all one. He fell back, died. That's how I would describe God, Buddha, whatever name you want to affix. Sure it's the source. It's we're all part of that tapestry.

Alex Ferrari 59:23
Now, if you had a chance, if you had a chance to ask God one question, what would it be?

Peter Redgrove 59:29
Why did you create such a beautiful planet and put such dummies in it?

Alex Ferrari 59:35
Fair enough, and how do you define liberation in this lifetime?

Peter Redgrove 59:44
Forgiveness not just a word. Practice it because you're always going to run into situations where it's needed and demanded in order for you to move forward. And freeing yourself from early indoctrination. Like you, I'm a recovering Catholic. When I left Catholic school at 15, I took two aspirin and got over it. I think it's very, very important, and we all have that honor and gift to have our own relationship with the source, God, whatever you conceive, that energy, that creative force to be letting go of the fear of death. I was raised by Catholic nuns in an orphanage. Oh, wow. And one of the things that, if I had allowed it, would have crippled me, one of the nuns died, and we were forced. I was No, I think I was around seven years old. We were all forced to walk around this nun's dead body in the church that that traumatized me. And I think you know, as Piaget, the great child psychologist and psychiatrist, said, you know, by the age of three, it's all done circuitry. It's like circuit board. It's all done. So many of us spend most of our lives undoing the crap, you know, the circuitry that was installed that should never have been installed. So we spend our lives on doing that and working to release fears and to those evangelicals and Catholics and Protestants, whatever it is. I mean, we're all supposed to be connecting with the same creator or creative spirit. Let go of that. Go inside. You will know. You will know what kind of relationship you need to have with your Creator

Alex Ferrari 1:02:42
And Peter finally, do you have any parting messages that you would like to say to the audience before you go?

Peter Redgrove 1:02:48
Yes, love one another. Be kind, be generous with each other. Be responsible for each other and understand that in a culture that seems to worship the wrong the wrong stuff, recognize the spiritual part of who you are, let that grow, let that develop, because I'll remind each of you at the end of the day, nothing goes with you other than the sum and substance of the lives you've affected, the lives you've touched, and make Death and your passing a gentle a gentle thing, and not all of us. And I understand that sometimes it's dangerous to paint with a broad brush, and I always try not to, but generally speaking, you know, coast into your own demise, gently and lovingly and with a degree of excitement, what what could be better than meeting all your loved ones, your family, your friends. And the thing I'm looking forward to most is being free of the physical body, because my physical body right now is, is, is, disintegrate. Eating, but you know, it's an old machine. It's like an old car. You know, needs pause, breakdown.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:07
Of course, of course. Peter again, I can't say thank you enough for doing this, this interview, and doing this conversation. I do believe it's going to help a lot of people around the world when they see it for many, many years to come. I appreciate your bravery. I appreciate your willingness to continue to help and serve humanity in the way that you're able to you are an inspiration to so many who will be listening to this. So thank you, not only for this conversation for helping James get on his path and him and all the millions of lives that James has touched over the years, you are a giant sir in this life.

Peter Redgrove 1:05:53
That's a kind that's such a kind statement, and one I'm not sure I deserve, but it's been, it's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure. Alex, I'm humbled to be in the company of all those amazing, amazing guests you've had over the years. And my hope and my My dream is that it will affect some lives, and I ask people do your own work to get rid of the fear, the fear that's how the Churches have governed. That's how they've they've been so successful over the centuries and the millenniums, they use fear and you know like you, when you're confronted with the concept of eternal fire and pits of fire, but minor infractions, you know, eating meat on Friday. What the hell is that all about? You know,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:16
Peter, yeah, I I love you, my friend. Thank you again, so much for doing this, and blessings to you on the time you have left on this planet, and I look forward to the celebration on the other side.

Peter Redgrove 1:07:30
Yes, likewise. Thank you for what you do Alex, so important. Thank you very much. And God Bless You.