The Prescription for Humanity’s Soul with Panache Desai

Alex Ferrari 0:00
I don't know if you guys have noticed or not, but I have been doing these little intros more and more lately to certain episodes that really, really move me, either in a spiritual way or some other way, and to kind of highlight these conversations because they are absolutely needed to be listened to. They're special in some weird way, and they've been happening more and more lately. So every time you see one of these intros, it's something you should probably take pay attention to, because it's something special going on in this episode. Not that all of our episodes aren't special, but these really just move me in a very different way. And today's guest panache, who is this amazing mystic. I've never had a conversation like this on the show before. There wasn't anything mystical, there wasn't anything energetic, there wasn't anything metaphysical. On the show. This was just a deeply profound conversation that truly moved me to my core. So I really want you to sit back and enjoy this conversation, because it is a whopper, and I really believe that it's going to change the lives of everyone who listens to it. So enjoy. Why does the world feel more chaotic now than it did before? Because it seems like there's a lot of craziness happening.

Panache Desai 1:22
Because we're closer to the truth than we ever have been, because we're closer to peace and love and unification than we ever have been. That's why I think that people are suffering because they're living in the illusion of ownership. You have to take ownership of everything that you've done and everything that everyone else has done, and that's a one way ticket to suffering. Recognize that in the midst of these conversations, you're just connecting with a truth that was always present within you. I've seen miracle after miracle in front of my eyes, but the greatest miracle of all is when somebody finally fully accepts and embraces themselves, because in that moment, they reach that place of neutrality, and they reach the essence of the manifestation of that word love, that everyone who's watching this and listening to this, please begin to fall in love with your humanity and do it quickly.

Alex Ferrari 2:24
Now before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please, like, subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show Panache Desai, how you doing Panache?

Panache Desai 2:47
Great man.

Alex Ferrari 2:49
I'm good, brother, I'm good. I love your first name. By the way, has a lot of panache. Sorry, I couldn't help it. I'm sure, I'm sure you've heard that 1000 times.

Panache Desai 2:57
I've heard every pronunciation of my name imaginable, so it's, it's nice to hear it pronounced properly, actually. So thank you.

Alex Ferrari 3:05
Yeah, my friend. I'm so looking forward to our conversation. Your your take on spirituality, on the soul. I see a Buddha behind you. Is really interesting. So I'm gonna just dive right into the deep end of the water here, sure, what is the true nature of the soul, beyond identity, memory and personality?

Panache Desai 3:27
Well, I think the collective misconception is that there is an individualized manifestation of soul, whereas, in my experience, is just a collective manifestation of soul and emotions, feelings, the body, the mind, the identity, are all just manifestations within this collective field that we call the soul. So what this translates into is that Alex, you and I don't have different souls. We are the same soul. We are manifestations of the same energy, the same light, the same love, the same presence. And this is where this notion of oneness or unity consciousness comes from, that we are just points of individuation of the same manifestation of this whole, this totality that some people call God, some people call the divine. Some people call this infinite intelligence. Or others who don't have a belief in anything particular just refer to it as love. But now we're beginning to realize more and more that this is who and what we are. Now the funny thing is that in spirituality and personal development, they have these false hierarchical structures where there's high vibration, low vibration. So now there's further compartmentalization, separation and duality as it relates to individual experience. Again, in my experience, what I've experienced is that there's infinite energy always present in all things. So everything is always at infinite potential. So when we look at that, that potential is free of time, it's free of space, it's free of everything. It's already it's already in its fully actualized form. So once I began to realize this from my own personal experiences and supporting millions of people now all over the world, I began to realize that this whole. Thing called spirituality is totally unnecessary, because nobody has any issues with the level of spirit, that at that level, we are always at infinite potential. What's been happening is that our programming, our conditioning, our life experiences, familial dynamics, societal dynamics, have led us to believe that there is something imperfect about us at the level of our humanity, this rejection of who we are at the level of our humanity then leads to self denial. And of course, the self that we are denying is the infinite one. And so how we bring everything into embodiment, and how we bring everything the totality of its expression, is to fully accept ourselves as human beings. It's not to fix, heal, change, improve, understand, go to workshops, go to seminars, do all of this stuff, because that's just Further compounding the resistance and further pushing the truth of ourselves away from ourselves. We have to cultivate a level of intimacy with who we are, and that happens through recognizing that this whole being human thing is not a problem that we have to solve. It's not an impediment to the oneness, to the connection. It's actually a necessary instrument through which we get to uncover the blessing of this oneness, of this love, of this magnificence that we will experience called life.

Alex Ferrari 6:12
So the problem of what you're saying, I completely agree with you, but the societal issues, the programming that we had since born, whether you're born Hindu, whether you're born Catholic, whether you're born Jewish, where you're born atheist, there is a programming that we have to kind of break through. So as they've said, those first seven years, you're programmed in life, and then you spend the rest of your life trying to deprogram yourself from what you learned in the first seven years. Is that accurate in your in your opinion,

Panache Desai 6:41
I think it is. But I think it's a bit of a superficial take on it really. Because I think even if we look at perfection as a whole, then that means that even the programming is a part of the perfection. You see, if we, if we say, If we say that the programming in the conditioning is the impediment, then we're disqualifying the perfection from the individual. So actually, my experience, we've been doing call to calm meditations now for over 1600 days, totally for free. You click on a zoom link people from all over the world, what's been working and why it's working, and why people wake up every morning is because when they come into the acceptance of themselves, they're not changing it. They're not they don't need the programming to be different. They don't need anything to actually change. They're finally just providing themselves access to who they are, which is really when you look at it like you know, in my cultural heritage, the highest form of spiritual practice is to observe oneself without judgment in its genesis, that's what meditation is. All these other things that came into being were really just about observing yourself without judgment. But what is that? That means to recognize that you as the human being that you are, when you give yourself the gift of your acceptance, when you come back to your breath, you come back to your awareness, come back to the truth of yourself, in the midst of that experience, then you are empowered. And there is no point of disqualification, and there never was

Alex Ferrari 7:56
So from your experience. And I agree again, I agree with you. I think that everything that we go through in life is part of the perfection of what we chose to come down here. Do you believe in reincarnation, as far as the soul coming back and forth, again and again? Do you also believe in the soul blueprint, or the soul plan of these perfect examples, like the perfection of like, I need to be born into that family, because they're going to give me the challenges or the blessings or both that I need to go through this, through this incarnation. Does that? Does that vibe?

Panache Desai 8:29
That makes perfect sense. I think there are two, two different ways of approaching this. The only kind of thing that makes sense to me is pre determination. Because when I look at my life, and I look at the perfect unfolding of my life, clearly there was some architecture in place that I could never conceive of, that I could never understand. And so for me, this whole movie that's playing out on the screen is just that the suffering happens when we identify with what's happening in the movie, or we personalize it and have some attachment to any outcome. So my role in all of this is just to be here, to be who I am and to and to play my role in the movie without any over attachment to any aspect of it, because it's not really who I am. So I think that reincarnation sometimes becomes yet another convenient point of disqualification for people. I think we have to understand what reincarnation actually, fundamentally is. If energy can never be created, nor can it be destroyed? Then that means that the same infinity is recycling itself perpetually, right? So, is there some continuation? Is there some progression? Yes. But is that, you know, is there some meritocracy that determines how what you come back as, or some pure way of being that determines what you come back as? No, I don't think that that's the case. We are living in a simulation. This really is the Maya, the ocean of samsara. It really just is a holographic projection. And the whole point of all of this is to is to realize that this illusion has nothing to offer you, that spirituality working on self, personal development, the world, the money, the fame, the success, the fortune has nothing to offer you. Mean that it cannot give anything to you, and it can't take anything away from you, that ultimately, there is already a place of wholeness and completion within everyone. And that disillusionment, this disillusionment that everyone's experiencing right now, family dynamics, governments, power structures, banking, this disillusionment is the awakening to the infinite, eternal and immortal self that you and I both share. That's the essence of everything.

Alex Ferrari 10:24
So in your analogy, we are just actors in this giant movie. And just like an actor wouldn't attach themselves to being an assassin or being a horrible person or being a beautiful like they don't attach themselves to what, what part that they play. It's the same way that we should look at this, like, I'm Alex, you're panache. We understand who we're playing. We understand the part that we're playing, but not to attach ourselves to the exterior illusion, which is what the Buddha said in many, in so many words,

Panache Desai 10:59
Yeah, not just the Buddha. I think krishna's articulation of this with Arjuna and Bhagavad Gita was so beautiful. You know, Arjuna was suffering from stage fright, and the greatest warrior that ever lived and was refusing to go into battle. And Arjuna said, Oh, Arjuna, they are already dead. And in that articulation, we got the greatest clue into the nature of reality anyone could have ever, ever gotten right is that, hey, this is already done. You know, there's nothing to manifest. There's no outcome to push for, no goal to try and achieve. And actually, the truth is, and this way it gets really interesting, Alex, because I feel like people forget the end. So in the end, if we're returning to the infinite, and we're infinite all the way through, and we came from this infinity, then that means that this whole human thing has nothing to do with who we are at the level of the Soul. Therefore, we can't use it as a diagnostic tool. We can't say just because some area of life isn't quite working out in the way that we've been conditioned to believe it should, that something's malfunctioning at the level of our being, on the level of our energy, that just simply isn't true. And so again, I think there's this magical tapestry that we're a part of. I think there's this collective unfolding that we're all a part of. And again, this is so beautifully demonstrated. Every morning, I have people from every religion, every race, every gender, every sexual orientation, every spiritual path, that come together. Why? Because people are beginning to wake up that they're not these different manifestations and permutations of life. They are this essence that never changes, this eternal truth that's the constant, and that's where people are choosing to live from.

Alex Ferrari 12:28
So when you were, when you were saying that, that that story from the baldavita, about it, they're already dead, kind of idea, well, people would ask, well, then, if everything's already been it's already done, then is there free will? Is this destiny versus free will kind of conversation?

Panache Desai 12:48
Great question. I think at the level of the ego, you have the illusion of free will, however, you're just going to end up where you're supposed to end up and go through what you have to go through anyway. And that's a very hard thing for people to accept, because, particularly in the spiritual space or in the personal development space, because everyone's trying to people don't realize that identifying as being spiritual is just trying to exert some level of control over your life. It's the same thing as being successful or or, you know, or working on yourself. It's like you're trying to exert some control over your life. What we have to get to is that we don't need to exert control over our life. The only place where we feel the powerlessness is at the level of the identity. And we know that, because anytime anyone has any crisis or challenge what begins to arise, what they're being shown is, hang on a minute. There are forces greater than you that are at work in your life and and this is an invitation to surrender to that force that's greater than you. So the powerlessness that's at the foundation of ego actually is an entry point into infinite power, and that infinite power is the same power that's animating all things. It's a source of everything. And this is what every great being was pointing to. It's what every awakening leads you to. It's what however you get there, whether you get there through the excesses of materialism and wake up one day and just realize that you're depressed, alone and miserable and miserable and addicted to 50 different things, and there's nowhere else for you to go, or someday you just wake up, just have some spontaneous awakening where there's light everywhere and love everywhere, and you just don't understand what's happening. It's the same awakening. It's the same redirect. It's the same same lightning bolt of grace that's calling you into something more.

Alex Ferrari 14:18
Well, it's kind of like what Jim Carrey's amazing quote is that I wish everybody in the planet could get everything they ever wished for, to understand that it means nothing, exactly, which is such a beautiful and from him who literally what got everything he ever wanted, and then some to realize it meant truly didn't mean anything. So so the idea, and I'll go back to the movie idea, since I come from that world, the movie idea. So the script, the screenplay of our life, okay, has been written. We wrote it on the other side in a blueprint to let us know this is what we need to kind of go through in this life. Where I fit. This is my personal take on it. We're. Where I see the free will is is like I've always said that there's these mile markers that you're going to hit no matter what. You're born into this family, you're born into this country, you're going to have this job, you're going to meet this person. This is going to happen regardless. But how you get to each of those is where the free will kind of opens up. So as a actor on a set, you have a scene to shoot. Now, if you walk around the chair, walk towards the chair, walk jump over it, crawl on the floor. That's up to you, but you need to get from point A to point B. Does that vibe with what you make sense?

Panache Desai 15:32
But it's just, again, some futile attempt to try and exert some level of control over something doesn't have to be controlled. So at that point, just say, Hey, I'm a control freak, and just be done. Like, it's just easier to just say, if I'm going to end up in the chair, then why not just witness myself? Why not just allow the flow of life to move me to whatever the chair is? Right? And this is the thing. Like, we're all dying guys. Like, listen, you've only got so many years on this planet. You've only got so many years on this planet. If you want to stop your suffering immediately, please start accepting and loving yourselves. That's it like that. The very second you finally start accepting and loving yourselves, and you finally start recognizing that you're not broken, you're not a problem. You don't have to be fixed. It's not the next guru knocks, not the next seminar, not the mantra, not the teacher that actually it's just this innate power that's always dwelled within you, which, funnily enough, is the essence of most philosopher, especially in my cultural heritage. It's like God, Guru and self are one. How did that get lost in translation? Jesus's articulation of this is I and My Father are one. So how come every great being points to the fact that the same power that dwells within everything in life is also present within you, and yet we're still projecting, and we're still trying to control and we're still trying to have some influence over things that we don't have to influence. And what this is is just an unwillingness on the part of the individual to fully embrace themselves. Whenever you're still trying to negotiate or bargain or reason with reality, it's because you're still not at peace with a part of your humanity. So where this Free Will thing becomes interesting is that actually once you finally accept and embrace reality your life, and you're fully responsible and accountable for your experience, then you can determine how you feel. Because what I've noticed is that my experiencing peace, love or joy, or whatever it is, it's a natural expression of my being, has nothing to do with what's happening outside of me. So what's actually happening, Alex, and this is the most phenomenal thing, is that people from all over the world are now realizing, hang on a minute. It's not the brother in law, it's not the mother, it's not the father, it's not the childhood, it's not the career, it's not whatever that is actually. No, I get to define and determine my state. I get to live from the totality of who I am. So if there is any such thing as free will, it's only present to you once you become one with everything. But at that point, you don't change things. You're not influencing things. You're just living from the truth of yourself. And that's like being a lighthouse. That's like living from the inside out. At that point that love becomes something that everyone else is introduced to, it becomes a possibility for them. And that's when you become that's when you realize the whole point of this. I didn't come here to get something. I came here to give something.

Alex Ferrari 18:21
So from your point of view, how does consciousness evolve over these multiple lifetimes that we're incarnated into?

Panache Desai 18:28
Well, the illusion is that there's an evolution, right? So maybe, maybe consciousness is just constantly infinite, and we're just maturing from being a very adolescent species with the ability to destroy ourselves into a more mature species, like maybe humanity is just growing up in its ability to actually embrace this infinite consciousness that was always infinite, see, so the assumption is that consciousness is evolving. Consciousness is not evolving consciousness, and that also ties into the illusion of higher vibration, low vibration. No, there's just infinite vibration. Consciousness is always infinite. We are only ever expanding or evolving through our acceptance and love of ourselves into finally aligning with that infinity. That's the truth.

Alex Ferrari 19:11
So when I met with consciousness, I might have used the wrong word, the soul. How does the soul evolve across lifetimes?

Panache Desai 19:19
The soul doesn't have to evolve across lifetimes, because, again, that's the same, a part of the same infinite manifestation. So it's like you don't go to Disney to evolve, you don't you don't go to Universal Studios to evolve. You don't go to Applebee's to evolve. You don't go to Olive Garden to evolve. You don't drive to your local Tesla Supercharger to evolve. You didn't come to earth to evolve. You came to earth to have a fully immersive experience. So this brings us to the purpose of creation. Why do we have separation and duality? What's the point of all of this? Well, if you're just one singular phenomenon, how can you know yourself? Right? There's no way to know ourselves, right now. We're one. Singular phenomenon, knowing ourselves as Alex and panache. So this allows me to know myself. That's the whole point of this creation. The whole point of this manifestation called Life is so that this thing called God, or the divine or this infinity, can know itself. So then we have to engage in this polarity, this duality, this illusion of other, to finally get to a place where we can recognize that, hey, we're all just a part of the same singular whole. So we're not evolving. We're just experiencing the evolution. Is the myth that we have to fundamentally stamp out in spirituality and personal development, because that, again, is based in some linear progression. And that linear progression is an illusion When you were when you were not conscious, not awake and not aware, you were still at infinite potential. There is no more and after,

Alex Ferrari 20:49
Okay, so let's dive, let's dig a little deeper into this. So yeah, from my my research, I've spoken to probably about 150 near death experiences, which is an amazing phenomenon. One of the key things that is a recurring theme is the life review. I'm sure you've heard of this, yeah, so the light, so the life review kind of jives with what you're saying. That this is an experience, but there is a learning involved in that, which is a form of evolution. But I understand your point of view of the of the timeline and the progression, see, but can you explain it to me?

Panache Desai 21:23
Yeah, well, because they're articulating the near death experience to you through the lens of being a human being. Human beings naturally conceptualize everything in terms of a linear progression through time. But it goes back to our first question, if the soul is infinite and immortal and eternal, then that implies that it's outside of time. It's always in the state of perfection, right? So this is how we can access it. This is how we return to it. This is how we know ourselves as it. If we're a perpetually moving target, then we would never be able to align with it. We'd never be able to embody it and live with it. So it has to be the eternal truth. It has to be the foundational truth of all existence and reality, right? And so in near death experiences, when they're when they're having the experience, they're one with everything. When they come back, then they're articulating the experience from separation and duality, or based on their programming and conditioning. And then now again, they're back in time. They're trying to explain something to you that's outside of time through the lens of time, which implies linear progression.

Alex Ferrari 22:19
That makes, that makes a lot of sense. Make a lot of sense. Well, this concept, so explain this concept to me, the idea that I've heard this from many mystics, gurus, quantum physicists, that all lifetimes are happening at the same time, which for us, is a very difficult in this, this kind of, you know, evolutionary timeline that we have to do. Everything goes from a to b is very difficult for us to understand. It's, it's, it's kind of like in my in my visual effects world, in editing, you go from A to B in in visual effects, there's something called nodes, where they're a bunch of things all happening at the same time, which is much more efficient than a line. So can you explain this idea to me and in layman's terms that we could all understand?

Panache Desai 23:07
Yeah, so creation happened in an instant, sure, and when we're just now experiencing the creation that happened in that instant. Okay, so in the moment you were conceived, even before you were conceived, you were already born, and everything was already determined in that moment, your life already happened. So creation happens in an instant. Everything, all of this was born in an instant. And then there was light. And that light is that instant, right? And now, in that moment, in then, and then there is light. Is that manifestation of all these different permutations of light, all these different reflections, projections, aspects of light, but that's all it is. So the fact that everything is happening concurrently and simultaneously is a wonderful notion, but, but it's also very reassuring to know that it's all already done. And then which? And so maybe Alex like this is a near death experience. Maybe we're having our life review right now, bro like that. Maybe that's what this is, right? We just think that it's something other than that. But no, it isn't. Maybe it's maybe that's exactly what this is,

Alex Ferrari 24:15
So but you, but you do agree that we, we are a soul in this reality. Let's say so. We are a soul that is experiencing this reality through, through this avatar, this body and set of programmings and other things and so on. It's kind of like the James Cameron film Avatar. He sits down, he lies in, boom, he goes through the little looks like a birth canal, and he pops out, and now he's an avatar. Experiencing that world as an avatar is that makes sense to you?

Panache Desai 24:48
Yes, and we don't need the avatar in order to experience the world, because the experience is the experience itself. And this is where it gets interesting. You see, there was never a time when. And the truth did not exist in its infinite form, right? So, so if creation happened in an instant, then that means that everything was already done. That means that everything was already concluded and finished. So humanity crosses the finish line. We enter a golden age. We we know peace, we know love, we collaborate. Everything's already done. So the the illusion is the illusion. So that the first illusion that we have to overcome is the illusion of the other, that you and I are separate from one another. We're not with the same energy. We're just in two different bodies. And then the other illusion that you overcome is the illusion of yourself. That's a harder illusion to overcome, that there's this person called Alex that, you know, he's does this thing in the movie industry, or does this thing with, you know, design, and does this podcast, right? That's the other illusion that we have to overcome. Once we overcome that illusion, and we and we realize that all of it's an illusion, then we get to a place of truth, and then we never leave that. And then in that moment, it's like we begin to experience what reality actually is like, what all of this is actually about. And we get to live in a whole other way, because all of a sudden, it's not about life according to the mind, it's, it's, it's about life according to the heart and life according to love, because that's really the essence of who we are, and that's why we've come here.

Alex Ferrari 26:14
So the Masters, let's say you have Buddha behind you. When Buddha found enlightenment, he found it fairly young, and he lived many, many decades after he found quote, unquote enlightenment. So he walked the earth in this reality in an arguably less conscious time than we're living now. How does how does one, once they get to that level of understanding of truth. Can they even continue to walk this earth?

Panache Desai 26:45
Because the only thing that's left for you is to be of service. So for me, I could have, very easily have just left my body and not been here, because every manifestation of this that I had was just okay, just take Samadhi, just leave the body, just merge with everything. However, the modeling of consciousness, the modeling of living in an awakened state that I received was fundamentally false. You see, human beings did not come here to be inanimate objects, like, you know, rocks or twigs or leaves or branches. We very much came here to be human. So after you have whatever the awakening is you then integrate the awakening, and then you just live as if nothing happened. So, so you're just basically living as a human being in the world, embodying this truth. But you're just going through everything you're going through anyway. Nothing's different, except you know who you are. You have total proximity to the essence of yourself, and that never leaves you. That peace is always available. You can literally just take a breath and come back to it in any moment.

Alex Ferrari 27:45
So what's the ego? What is an illusion of the ego?

Panache Desai 27:50
It's a total illusion. There was a moment in your life where you felt powerless, and in that moment of powerlessness, you created some false illusion of power called ego. I feel like in the modern world, ego has been demonized in the same way that in medieval times, or more superstitious times, everyone's blaming everything on the devil. I know today, people still do but, but it's like nobody wants to take accountability and responsibility, so everyone needs some out or some external force or phenomenon, you know. And again, these are all based in duality and separation. Ego is just a manifestation of survival. It's the part of us that we create, that we believe that we need to get ahead to make it in the world. In fact, it's reinforced. We've been told over and over again that we need it. The Complete articulation of this is How to Win Friends and Influence People like that's important, and after a while, you get to a place where you realize that I don't need to survive this thing called being human. I don't need to survive my emotions. I don't need to survive my feelings. I don't need to survive my mind. I don't need to survive my body. I don't need to survive this thing called life actually. And in the moment when you finally get to a place where you don't have to survive your internal experience or your external experience, then this thing called ego just completely dissolves. It totally becomes something else. It becomes an avenue of individuality through which you express this light and this potential in the world. So the common misconception, again, among my peers and colleagues, is that ego is something that we have to overcome. Ego is not something that we have to overcome. It's something that we experience while we're in survival, once we've accepted and embraced ourselves, and we're free of the influence of survival, then we get to a place where we realize the function of ego and identity, that even that is perfect, even that is a part of the perfection that we are that allows us to express uniquely who we are, why we're here, and even that is an ally on the path to being of service, to expressing, to sharing, that all of this, every part of manifest creation, inherently has within it the same perfection, and that no part of it needs to be excluded, that everything needs to just be welcomed into our hearts. It needs to be welcomed home to love. And the more we do that, the more. We realize the greater blessing in all of it.

Alex Ferrari 30:02
So have you done any studies in some of the more esoteric phenomenon, like, you know, ghosts, spirits in your in your upbringing, your what is your feeling on spirits who are still hanging around, or the medium that you're talking to grandma, and there's evidential mediums like you. There's evidence that something's going on. What is your take on that?

Panache Desai 30:27
So they're just interacting with themselves in a different form, right? Because if this really is a manifestation of oneness, then all of these spiritual phenomenon are just different aspects of yourself. So for example, in near death experiences, if you're Christian, you're going down the tunnel. Jesus comes to get you. If you're a Hindu, Krishna comes to get you. If you're a Buddhist, Buddha comes to get you. If you're an atheist, Einstein comes to get you. So what does that mean? It means it means that the Infinites taking whatever form it needs to take for you, right? So if you're a medium, you're still living in separation and duality, and basically you require the avenue of mediumship to explore your own connection to the infinite truth of yourself. But once you finally just accept and embrace yourself, then you don't need the mode, the medium or the tech or the or the technique anymore. You can just finally realize that, hang on a minute. This is just who I am. These are just different manifestations of myself that this this isn't something other than me. This is just my interpretation of infinity as me.

Alex Ferrari 31:27
So why does the world feel more chaotic now than it did before? Because it seems like there's a lot of craziness happening

Panache Desai 31:37
Because we're closer to the truth than we ever have been, because we're closer to peace and love and unification than we ever have been. That's why.

Alex Ferrari 31:44
So with that said, Then does it mean that all the all the kind of darker things and the things that we don't want to really look at are starting to come up as either a last ditch effort to for control because they don't want to lose control, or is there something else going on? Because everyone feels it.

Panache Desai 32:03
We're just waiting on you, bro,

Alex Ferrari 32:07
Like, literally me, because that's a lot of pressure, sir.

Panache Desai 32:10
No pressure.

Alex Ferrari 32:10
Hey, man, I'm doing it. So I'm doing it so as I can

Panache Desai 32:17
Great. So this is the funny thing right about all of this, yeah, is that there was a, there was a collective experience of being human before we were born, right? So basically, there was a already a sea of emotion, a sea of feeling, a sea of thought forms. There were always collective agreements before we born. All of this already existed. It predated us, right? So what's so special about this time when we actually accept and embrace our part of it, which is our life, which is the whole point of us being here. We set ourselves free, and we also liberate every other human being. So this time, the reason why everything feels like it's more chaotic is because, first of all, it can't be repressed or suppressed anymore. It's all coming up, and it's not bad or wrong or dark, it's just stuff that we haven't been willing to be vulnerable enough to acknowledge about ourselves as a species, right? Like all of these things have always existed now we're just being made profoundly aware of them. We're being made profoundly aware of them so that we can accept them and embrace them. What's happening, however, that isn't serving us temporarily is that people are trying to fix the things that are coming up instead of just accepting them and embracing them. So if we ever have a problem with anything in the world, we're never having a problem with anything in the world. We're just having a problem accepting and embracing a part of ourselves. So this is why joking. I'll say we're waiting on you, but we're not just waiting on you, we're waiting on everyone who's watching this and listening to this, because really, you are the future of humanity. So so the more you fix, heal, change, improve, the more you push completion away, the more you accept and embrace, the more you draw everything toward you, harmony, wholeness and completion toward you, the faster we all break through and live in this totality of love and oneness that we know has been coming and that everyone's been prophesizing and telling us about since the beginning of time.

Alex Ferrari 34:06
That is something that has been talked about this. This time has been talked about by Buddhists, by Hindus, but this is a time that has been around for long, long time. Um, do you have a belief in the in the idea of Atlantis and those time periods, and that humanity is cyclical, like the yugas.

Panache Desai 34:25
I feel like we've gone through different stages of human evolution before. And what I mean by human evolution is that we've gone through moments in life where I feel like we've been on the brink of either a breakthrough or a breakdown, as it relates to whether humanity continues to exist. And you can look at the world right now and see that we're kind of reaching that same inflection point of like, Okay, do we exist or do we? Do we not? And I think that the reason why people have really resonated with everything that I've been saying is because I'm very pro human. I'm pro us, like I want us to continue to exist as a species. So here's a scenario, Alex, like, if you and I, if we fall into this trap of believing that emotions are wrong or low vibrational, feelings are wrong, or low vibrational or or that the mind is the impediment, or that the body is the impediment, or the ego is the impediment, one day, someone's going to come up with the solution and just say, Okay, well, we can just switch off all your emotions. And you yourself have said that that's the problem, right? Or let's just switch off the mind. The mind's been nothing but an impediment to you. Let's just put a chip in your brain. Let's be done with that. Or, even better, your biology is an impediment. Why have a body? We can keep you alive without a body. Why have a body? I think what we have to do as a species is very quickly fall in love with being human again. We have to go from being this stain on existence, there's this kind of mishap that happened in infinite creation into once again, cultivating a love affair with ourselves pretty quickly. Because if we don't start to love our emotions, and we don't start to love our feelings, and we don't start to love our thoughts and our mind and our bodies, one day, and thankfully, it's not going to happen, but one day, we could have, very easily, have just fully acquiesced our humanity, because we would have fully concluded that it was the issue. Because our whole lives we were told that we were the problem, or that certain aspects of being human were the problem, and we would have gone into this greater integration with technology on a biological on a biological level, to where we would have surrendered human biology. I think what's happening right now is that the more we cultivate this acceptance and love of being human, the more we reignite this love affair with being human, the more we're preserving being human for future generations, meaning that future generations will have the ability to feel emotions, feel feelings that think thoughts, have a body, have a uniqueness, have an individuality. And this is where for me, when I examine reality itself, what's happening right now like this, accepting and embracing our humanity is the most pivotal thing that unlocks every other thing. Because until we can finally come into a place of acceptance of our humanity, none of the rest of this, the collaboration, the innovation, the breakthroughs, the research, the science, whatever, whatever it is that's the next iteration of being human cannot come into being. And so I'm a pro humanist. I'm pro us. And my request would be that everyone who's watching this and listening to this, please begin to fall in love with your humanity and do it quickly so that we so that we preserve it. We're here to preserve the right to be human, the right to feel, the right to think, the right to have autonomy, the right to have biology, the right to exist.

Alex Ferrari 37:33
I'm trying to use, I'm trying to create examples in my mind of what you're saying. Yeah, and I always use movies because movies are my language. So a movie like The Matrix, or the movie like Star Wars, when the main characters finally accept who they are, that's when the magic happens. That's when Lucas is able to blow up the Death Star. That's when Neo is able to transcend the actual code of the matrix and start to manipulate. And it sounds also like what the guru or the yogi would do, or any of the masters, the Ascended Masters, would do. Does that make sense? That's 100% right.

Panache Desai 38:09
That's exactly right. And actually, once you finally accept and embrace yourself, the illusion no longer has any power of you. There's no suffering anymore. There's no cause and effect, there's no karma. There's none of these concepts based in duality, there's just the ever present, eternal, immortal self.

Alex Ferrari 38:25
So you just mentioned karma. What is your take on karma? Because that is a word that is talked about so much.

Panache Desai 38:30
Yeah, it's another way. It's Karma is a very loaded word because people really don't know what it means, but, but basically it's like, okay, let's just say that right now we're living out our karma. So so people have turned karma into an arbitrage opportunity. It's like, Oh, I'll do good stuff and I'll great I'll get I'll get great stuff, I'll do horrible stuff and I'll get horrible stuff, right? It's this very linear kind of, very adolescent way of interpreting something that's nuanced and multi dimensional. What is it? Really? It's just us Living out our lives. To be who you are, is to live out your karma. There's no negative or positive connotation to it at all. You're just an infinite infant being engaged in the world of form and phenomenon. That's it.

Alex Ferrari 39:09
The quote, unquote, negative karma or positive karma that you have been told about is essentially you just living. So if you were born into, let's say, an abusive family, or if you were born into a very loving and rich family, let's say, or an abusive and poor family, those are two, you know, opposites of the coin. That's just the karma, and you're just living your life according through it. And it's not like, Oh, if I, if I give a lot to the if I give a lot of money to the poor, I'm gonna erase my karma. To my understanding. That's not the way karma works. You've got to, like, if you hurt somebody, someone's going to hurt you in this life, and that's just part of the path.

Panache Desai 39:48
Well, no, that's a bit punitive and a bit kind of, it's very, very human way of looking at it. Okay, there's no reward or punishment. There's just the experience. Yes, right? And I think the only reason why we struggle with these concepts is because we've been conditioned to this hierarchical framework of experience, right? And primarily the reason why we've been conditioned into a hierarchical framework of experience is so that we can be controlled at once we realize that there is no hierarchical framework of experience, that it's all just an experience, then we can begin to unwind all of that stuff. You know, one of the manifestations of both Luke Skywalkers journey and Neo's journey is very much just a hero's journey, which is a journey that you're very familiar with from the film world and storytelling, right? And it's an ancient manifestation of storytelling that's present in all cultural phenomenon and ancestors and, you know, indigenous peoples all over the world, and that's really what we're on, right? So, so the the karma, the life experience that you're born into, is not a limiting thing. It's the very thing that you have to be born into to free it from the illusion of the of this dream, right, that we're living in, or this, this illusion of this maya, this simulation that we're living in. So Luke had to go through everything he had to go through to wake up to who he is. Neo had to go through everything that he had to go through to wake up to who he is. Alex is going through everything Alex has to go through to wake up to who he is, as am I and that's the journey that we're all on.

Alex Ferrari 41:17
I love the idea of what you just said to wake up to who we are. It's such a very powerful, powerful statement, because most of us can't stand ourselves. Yeah, they we belittle ourselves because the way society taught has basically programmed us, but to wake up to your true self is freedom, is liberation, and that's what the Masters all have been saying and right is that correct?

Panache Desai 41:44
It's totally right. And the only way to get there is to begin to accept love and embrace who you are. That's the only way to get there. The more you the more you continue to fix, heal, change and improve, the more you're on this hamster wheel of imperfection, and the more you're keeping the experience of this peace that we know is available to us, distance from us. So you have to start from where you are and begin to open your heart to yourself, to know thyself and love thyself. Really is the framework. It's beautifully articulated by Jesus. It really is the framework.

Alex Ferrari 42:15
So let's, let's talk about love for a second, because we've mentioned, you've mentioned love the few times in this thing, in this conversation, love is a concept. I've heard it as the ultimate power, the ultimate vibration, the ultimate everything in the universe. But what is it truly, from your point of view, because it's a very large idea.

Panache Desai 42:35
Well, it's not the romantic kind of notion of love or condition to believing it is right. It's, it's this state of neutrality. So we, we finally get to a place where we experience this clarity or neutrality within this equanimity or harmony, as the Buddha lovingly articulated the middle path, right? It's like it's a state of being that's all inclusive of everything. There is no thing that is not included in the middle path. There's nothing that's excluded from the love or the oneness. So after a while, you start to get the space of neutrality and love really is a natural expression of who we are at the deepest level of us, of our being, right? So, so once we start to accept who we are, we begin to become neutral around who we are. We begin to become neutral about life's experiences, until one day, Alex, you and I are just sitting in the movie theaters, just watching the movie of our lives, eating our snacks, just enjoying the movie and just and just sitting there, and then whatever happens in the movie, we know it's not happening to us, and we're free and this and this is awakening and freedom is to be able to realize, hang on a minute, we're not this is not personal. This is just an experience that's unfolding, and we can just sit there and just watch the film. Now the film, if it's a good film, is going to be engaging. You're going to respond to it, but you won't react to it, and that's the difference. And so So again, it's like, I've seen miracle after miracle in front of my eyes, but the greatest miracle of all is when somebody finally fully accepts and embraces themselves, because in that moment, they reach that place of neutrality, and they reach the essence of the manifestation of that word love in its fullest form.

Alex Ferrari 44:12
It's the equivalent of going on a roller coaster. Because when you jump on a roller coaster in those two minutes, or whatever long the ride is you're not analyzing it, you're not breaking it down. You're not worried like there's there's just an enjoyment of the Pro. You just go and that's an extreme version because of everything that's happening. There's not when you're in a roller coaster, you're not thinking about anything else. You're thinking about the ride, and that's just enjoying it. You're not questioning it. You're not maybe you're questioning your choices of getting on, yeah, but that's essentially it.

Panache Desai 44:46
I think the only reason why we question it is because we've been conditioned into this idea that we can mess it up or make a mistake, or that right, or that something can happen to us at the level of our soul, which is the ultimate manipulation to convince someone. That there's something that could happen to them, a love of their soul is to exert complete control over them for the rest of their lives.

Alex Ferrari 45:05
So you what you're telling me is there is no devil and there is no hell.

Panache Desai 45:09
There's there's no anything, unless it exists within you, if it exists within you, if it's if it's a part of yourself that you haven't accepted, then you're living in your own personal hell. But once you've finally accepted and embraced yourself, well then you're living in your own personal heaven. But who determines the heaven and the hell Hu do through your acceptance and love of yourself?

Alex Ferrari 45:27
So there is no, so yeah, again, there is no from the Christian standpoint, there is no judgment. There is no like Day of Judgment with the Great, the great power, the way the great white guy in the sky with the with the beard that Da Vinci painted

Panache Desai 45:42
When, when they have their life review, or these people that you've interviewed, is there a buzzer that somebody hits them there to go flying down a chute into some world that's horrible, where there's a booby price? No, they just have their life review, they relive everything from everyone else's perspective and everyone else's experience, and then, and then, that's it. That's what happens. So basically, when you have your life review, you relive everything from everyone else's perspective, and then, and that's it. That's the whole point of the life review.

Alex Ferrari 46:10
Well, what is like, what's gonna say? What is the point of that? Because, I mean, you feel the pain that you cause somebody else. So what's

Panache Desai 46:16
The the point of it isn't as a reward or a punishment. The point of it is that we're one, and so it's just another returning to one, right? So, so the life of you itself is just an exit out of the illusion of duality and separation into the inherent oneness of all things. And so it's just another way that people reclaim their oneness. You know, we're doing it while we're alive. People who have near death experiences, if they actually go on to transition, they do it when they're dead, or they do it when they die, and then come back and they're totally different. There's something different about them, yeah, well, what happened? What? What happened was they concluded the separation, the duality within themselves, and they touched that truth, that love, that oneness, and now they're living it and embodying it.

Alex Ferrari 46:59
Do you the the lunacy of the concept of the or the lie of that there we are not one of separation. You look at the Earth from from from the sky or from space, and you look down, there are no borders other than maybe the Great, the Great Wall of China, other than that. There's no There's no borders. There's nothing you can see. It's it's lunacy to be at war over land or property things like that. When do you think we are going to hate to use the word evolve, or go past this, this point in humanity, in humanity's history,

Panache Desai 47:36
I think when we go back to the framework that our indigenous brothers and sisters, very clearly embodied, which is that human beings are just the custodians of this planet. I don't know at what point we decided that we owned the planet or that we had ownership over things. I think that people are suffering because they're living in the illusion of ownership. When you live in the illusion of ownership, then you have to take ownership of your emotions. You have to take ownership of your feelings. You have to take ownership of your mind. You have to take ownership of your body, your ego. You have to take ownership of everything that you've done and everything that everyone else has done. And that's a one way ticket to suffering. And so after a while, you just have to realize, well, wait a minute, no, I'm here for a limited time only. This is a one man, one woman. Show everything that happens here. She's happening as a part of the unfolding of that. Let's lose the illusion of evolution. Let's just get rid of that everything is always an infinite potential. Let's get rid of the notion of learning lessons. Let's just imagine that we put on the virtual reality headset just so we could experience ourselves in a different form, through all forms. Maybe this human thing is an avenue through which you get to experience yourself through a multitude of different forms, and that's all it is.

Alex Ferrari 48:41
And it is, it is an illusion, isn't it? Because, you know, you fight like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, you know, in our lifetime, there's going to be our first trillionaire. There's no doubt in my mind that that will happen. But they're all going to die. I know they they're trying to figure out ways not to but they're all going to pass. They're all going to go, and they can't take it with them. So it is truly this ownership idea is like such an illusion, such a deception of ourselves to believe that we can actually own anything. And as you get older, you start to realize these things, like, you know, even things that you held on to so tightly when you were a kid. Now you look at it and go, you would have, you would have fought someone to the death for that Optimus, prime, original, unopened box, or something along those lines. But now you look at it like it was a, it's, it's a piece of plastic.

Panache Desai 49:33
You think they would have learned from Steve Jobs, Right? Steve made all this money and left the planet and couldn't take anything with him. And now, you know, his wife and his kids are enjoying all of that and whatever way they see fit. And you know, it just goes to show you that. And this is a very common awakening that people have. They they because all they know is success. All that's all they know. And everyone's trying to success their way out of their suffering, like they think that that's actually going to work. Not right, and it doesn't work right. So people have been sold collectively on mass. Just produce more. But the only thing is that for every level of production, there's a higher level of consumption. So there's always something more expensive, there's always a bigger yacht, a bigger plane, a bigger EBITDA, a bigger corporate entity, a bigger way to exert power and control over the world. But you know, this brings me back to Jesus confronting King Herod, I think it was, and he said, you know, he said, you have all of this. You have all of this kingdom. He said, But my kingdom is far greater than yours. Yeah, so let them keep their kingdoms. Our kingdoms are far greater brother. That is very, very true. You can keep your kingdom, Kingdom spot greater. It's in a whole other place.

Alex Ferrari 50:48
It's, it's so at a certain point we are going to, well, let me ask you, Are we, are we going to make it? Yes, there are time are we going to make it as a species? Because it seems we are so tell me, explain to me kings, because a lot of people are really worried and really scared about what's happening in the world now is in the next 50 years. Where are we? You know, I've heard different things about from predictions to prophecies and things like that, that we you spoke about the Golden Age, the 1000 years of peace, all this kind of stuff.

Panache Desai 51:17
Yeah. So we don't have to worry about a mass extinction or a mass annihilation. We don't have to worry about AI or nuclear bombs or nuclear fallout or governments losing it. We're on the verge of the biggest breakthrough of them all, which is recognizing that to be human is actually our final frontier. It's not space, it's not Mars, it's not some other planet or some of the destination. Now, even if we can become a multi planetary species, we're just going to take our earthly issues with us there. So it's not like,

Alex Ferrari 51:48
Yeah, Mars, Mars is not going to be a utopia.

Panache Desai 51:51
Like we could move the Desperate Housewives in New Jersey to the Mars, and they'd still be the Desperate Housewives of Orange County. So we're just gonna end up with the Desperate Housewives of Mars. It's like, it doesn't matter human nature is human nature, right? Right? It's crazy, right? But after a while, we have to realize, hang on a minute, now we're going to be fine. And why are we going to be fine? Because the ultimate technology was always the human heart. It was always the place where the oneness could be found. It was always the place where this collective sense of love could be cultivated. And we are going to move into that, and there's nothing. There's no AI or any other thing. Sam Altman is not getting in anyone's way, like it's hard enough for him to keep his company afloat, let alone get in anyone's way or stop anyone's progression or evolution. Elon. Elon is more pro human than anything else, like he's he actually is a species speciesist. I love that, like he actually is advocating on behalf of humans. I don't understand what the rest of Silicon Valley is on that spectrum, but it doesn't matter, because the truth is, all of this is already done. We make it. This is the first time in the history of humanity that there isn't a mass extinction or a mass annihilation. We make it. And we make it because we return to life. We return to the truth of ourselves. That's why we make it so.

Alex Ferrari 53:02
If there were mass extinctions and mass kind of like this, the Yuga cycle is, as it's known. The last one was Atlantis about 12,000 years ago. You're saying that we might actually get past this point where we can not break through the cycle, but just, I hate to use the word evolve, because you've made it a bad word.

Panache Desai 53:25
Now, the fact that you and I are having this conversation is proof enough that we make it

Alex Ferrari 53:30
Okay because they weren't having these conversations back then.

Panache Desai 53:36
No, and look like two different people from two different parts of the world, as different as different can be, recognizing the innate oneness and love that we both are interacting with each other. So it's already happened. Alex, it's just that now people are realizing that it's already happened.

Alex Ferrari 53:51
So what do you say to people who are terrified about everything that's happening right now?

Panache Desai 53:52
Well, I think you have to finally just accept the fact that you're scared and realize that it doesn't have anything to do with outside of you. It's not the economy, it's not a government. It's not, you know, some technocrat, it's not, it's not something outside of you. It's, it's actually just a fear that you have to accept and embrace. And I think the big thing is, I think we just have to grow up. You know, when you're adolescent, it's everyone else's fault in the playground, you know, but when you finally become an adult, it's you realize that, well, hang on a minute. Now this is, there's a there's something on me. Yeah? So that that's really the simplest way of describing this shift is we're going from flinging mud at each other to finally just realizing, Now, wait a minute. Now, this is, there's something in me I need to embrace here. That's it, so.

Alex Ferrari 54:35
But there's not. But all of humanity isn't evolved, evolving or changing at the same pace. There are, right?

Panache Desai 54:43
They don't need to, you know, like, basically the illusion is so imagine this, like, let's just say, for for sake of clarity, that transformation is evolving beyond the need to transform. That transformation is really just evolving beyond the need to transform the illusion of transformation. The funny thing is, anytime anyone has an awakening. They realized that they were already awakened. It's a giant joke. Like, it's not that all of a sudden you became something else or woke up to something else. You finally just allowed yourself to wake up to what was always present, right? Like, that's, that's the awakening. And so we're all going to get there, because we're all getting there, and because people like you and I are having interactions like this, because we do cold, calm every morning, people come from all over the world like it's already happening. You know, for me, I witness it in real time every day, people from all over the world, different religions, different political ideologies, different socio economic backgrounds, as different as different can be. Yet everyone is moving into this empowerment within themselves, and we're collectively celebrating the differences, while at the same time staying true to ourselves and living from our hearts and acknowledging our individuality. So conformity is going to lose its appeal, and individuality is going to be in vogue again.

Alex Ferrari 55:56
So when the Buddha was enlightened or found enlightenment. He didn't find a location, he didn't find a place. He didn't even go to a new place. He just awoke to who he really is. Same thing for Christ, Christ consciousness is that,

Panache Desai 56:12
Yeah, same thing for you and I everybody. It's the same phenomenon. It's hysterical, you know, because we've turned this into such a big deal, and it's just not, it's like, it's like you're doing the Macarena around the truth. All you have to do, stop and just, and just, finally, take a breath and relax, go and then just gently ease into it. It's not an attainment. It's an allowing.

Alex Ferrari 56:31
So when you when people are so, when bad things happen to good people, as they say, how can you explain that to someone going through a very difficult time? Financially, emotionally, spiritually, trauma, all this kind of stuff.

Panache Desai 56:44
I think the worst thing that ever happened to me was the best thing that ever happened to me about eight years ago, my daughter was born with eight to 10 years ago now, my daughter was born with a congenital heart defect. Had five open heart surgeries, flatline for eight minutes, almost didn't make it, and after 18 months, had a heart transplant. And now she's 10 years old, and she's a cheerleader, and she won second place in the cheerleading competition this last weekend. And that time of 18 months was the best thing that ever happened to me. It showed me it didn't matter that I was panache Desai, it didn't matter who I knew, what I had, everything that I had done, everything that I thought mattered didn't matter. My life literally crumbled all around me, and all of my usual support systems and structures were crumbling with me. My wife, Jan, was going through it. My mother was going through it. There was nowhere for me to turn. And in the height of it, I found myself going down to the chapel in the chapel in the hospital, and I just fell to my knees, and I just started crying, and I'm like, Okay, if she's supposed to die, I accept it, if that, if that's, if that's what's supposed to happen, then I accept it, because I realized that holding on to any expectation as it related to her life was causing me no end of suffering. In that moment, I confronted my powerlessness, that I am totally powerless as it relates to what's happening, that there's something far greater at work here, and I have and my my role in all of this is to acknowledge that and then cultivate the closest possible relationship I can with my own heart within the course of my lifetime, and to be of service. And you know, this morning on called calm, I said, you know, I'll never be able to thank God for my life. The only things left for me is to show up every day and click on that link and be available for people. That's it. There's nothing, nothing in this world matters to me anymore. I don't want to do anything. I don't want to go anywhere. I've been everywhere. I've done everything, I've met everyone. I've lived all of that, and it just doesn't matter. It's so superficial and so fleeting. What matters is this what you and I are doing right now. You know this is what's important. And so the worst thing that ever happened to end the timing of this Alex was beautiful because Oprah happened, Penguin, Random House cut me a huge check. The book came out, and I was on this trajectory. They were trying to turn me into the next Deepak. Chopra. Love Deepak, but, you know, I'm not Deepak. Obviously, I'm Indian. People lack imagination, and they were trying to get me to fill that one Indian slot movie, right? And so and like, I'm like, No man, like, that's not me. And this thing happened right at the right time, and I withdrew from everything. I stopped doing keynotes and stopped doing all this stuff, and stopped being out in the world, and I just finally, just came to what's real. And what's real is this, you and I now this. This is it

Alex Ferrari 59:36
Yeah, you don't, you don't do a whole lot of interviews anymore.

Panache Desai 59:37
No,

Alex Ferrari 59:38
Well, I appreciate you jumping on this show. I really appreciate that.

Panache Desai 59:44
I appreciate your questions and you and your just your enthusiasm and spirit. It's, it's wonderful Alex.

Alex Ferrari 59:51
Oh, I appreciate that, my friend. I appreciate that I am, I am endlessly curious about things. I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out the path for myself on this, on the. In the story I'm trying to figure out how to get to the chair.

Panache Desai 1:00:04
So I don't think that Luke on Tatooine ever could have imagined his journey, right? No, and I, but I don't think that you could ever truly conceive or imagine your journey. And so they just have to be in the unfolding event every day.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:17
That's what I've kind of that was what, for me, specifically, what happened with this show was that all of a sudden, like you, when you Oprah and Penn house, all this kind of stuff, you probably when you were starting this, but you never could have imagined something like that when I started this YouTube channel. I never knew I was going to grow a million followers in three years. Yeah, since it's insane to think that but I if you would have told me this, I'm like, You're smoking a whole lot of something. And this experience with next level also gave me the same experience, or the same lesson is, oh, I'm not in control, no. And that was such a powerful, powerful lesson for me. I'm not in control. You went through it with your daughter. I went through it with the show, because I was, for the first time in my whole life as a director, by nature, by profession. What does a director do? Controls everything in the shot, everything in the scene. So I grew up with that, and when I realized, oh, this has, this has nothing to do with me, right? Like I'm just it's just going without me. I'm along for the ride. That was such a monumental change in my reality, my reality, and understanding of reality, such a massive understanding.

Panache Desai 1:01:33
Now you just have to enjoy the ride

Alex Ferrari 1:01:35
Right in and I think you're right. Anytime I any sort of pain or discomfort happens because it's something I'm trying to control. Yeah, something I want to happen, as opposed

Panache Desai 1:01:47
Where we are now, Alex, too, is that we can't control it anymore. It's like all the dams are breaking everything, everything's like opening up. Nobody can control anything anymore. And anytime you do, it just becomes excruciating to the point where you have to surrender to what's happening in your life. And so we're reaching a critical mass. But it's not that we're evolving. So we're just finally allowing ourselves to be this infinite potential that we always were.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:11
I think that 2020 what happened in 2020 was the first shot to humanity, because the whole planet shut down, yeah, for at least a month. Like, it's, it's generations will look back and like, you were around in 2020 like, yeah, it was the first wake up call for all of humanity. At the exact same time, I don't know, at least in any of our written history, there's never been a time where the entire planet stopped.

Panache Desai 1:02:38
Yeah, it's funny, because that's how cool to calm came into being, right? So when I went through everything with Solaris, with Celeste, you know, there was one friend who called me. He's in fashion. So like on any given weekend, he's in Rome or Paris or London, like he's the busiest person I know, and he's in different time zone. And he would call me every day, and he would just say, how are you and and, you know, cool when, when the world shut down, you are enough came out. It became a national bestseller, and then the whole world shut down. I was supposed to go on a 60 city book tour, and everyone said, Well, what do you want to do? I said, you know, I just want to go live on Zoom every day, and if nobody comes great, if somebody comes wonderful, but I think the world could just use a friend right now, like in the same way that I knew how much of a difference. It made to me that somebody just called me every day. That's how cool to come started. If you take 1607 days back, you know, you end up I think March 16 of 2020, is right at the beginning of the pandemic, right? And and so everything that's happening now is as a result of that. And so, yeah, we had to get over a lot of stuff during the past. During the pandemic. And also, the pandemic was a death and dying workshop that nobody signed up for. It was also an authenticity workshop that nobody signed up for, because now, all of a sudden, everyone was confronted with the reality of being in their home, being with their wife, being with their husband, being with their kids now, they actually had to deal with their choices and decisions and deal with where they made those choices and decisions from, right? And so, yes, in so many ways, it was the beginning of a great awakening. But at the same time, that great awakening hasn't stopped. You know, I think in the height of the pandemic, we had like 3000 people every day. We still have 2000 people every day, you know, so so it's not like the the awakening has stopped. It's not like the remembrance has ended. If anything, it's building more momentum, and people like you and I, who are having these interactions, are gaining more and more traction. Now. People are falling away from all the superficial stuff, the techniques, the modalities and the externalization of power and authority, and people are trending more toward this, and they can feel the difference. They can feel the authenticity of this. They resonate with it. And they resonate with it because they resonate with the truth within themselves. And so, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:54
This is something that I've been lately feeling with these kind of kind conversations, there has been almost a level of transmission that happens when we have these conversations on the show. It's something that I wasn't prepared for. And yes, we have some more of the mystical side of things. But even something like this, I've had very deep conversations with quantum physicists with mystics that had no, you know, woo, woo kind of aspects of it, but they're so powerful that the energy just bursts through the screen, and people are just drawn to it. Doctors I had a wonderful doctor who came on, and it was just such a powerful, profound conversation that people just were drawn by it. I'm noticing that happening more and more lately, that the people who are coming into our our world, like yourself, are it's like the timing is starting. It like, oh, okay, we need to. We need to ramp this up. Now. Let's start getting more of this out there. How could you How do you explain, on a quantum level what is happening energetically with conversations like this, this authenticity, this, these kind of profound, deep conversations that people resonate. Why are they resonating so so much with it on a quantum level?

Panache Desai 1:06:15
Well, because when you live from the truth of yourself, if you are the epicenter of your reality, then everything is a manifestation of your own relationship with yourself. So when you embody love and you embody the oneness, everyone who comes into contact with you experiences that love and that oneness. Why? Because it's your natural state. It's coming from you. So what's happening is a polarity shift. We're no longer living from the outside in, we're living from the inside out. And the reason why people experience it almost like a transmission, it's not that somebody's giving you something, it's that you're remembering it within yourself, in their presence. Don't ever give your power away. Don't ever make anyone greater or less than you. That's the illusion. Recognize that in the midst of these conversations, you're just connecting with the truth that was always present within you. And that's why, for me, like being Indian, this has been such a trip, bro, because, like, everyone wants to turn you into something, and, oh, you must be a guru or reincarnation of this person, that person, you know, Oprah, tried to turn me into Deepak, like, you know, whatever, like everyone's trying to turn you into something. And for me, like, I personally just love being your friend like that, to me, is the best relationship, you know, and and that modeling actually was Krishnas relationship with Arjuna. You know, krishna's relationship with Arjuna was he was arjuna's friend. He wasn't his guru, he wasn't his teacher, he wasn't some avatar, some great being. He was just his friend. And I think that that's where we are now. I think that all these hierarchical systems and structures are collapsing, and now we can just meet each other as equals, because we always have been, and we always will be.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:48
And even if you're meeting with a quote, unquote, Guru, Yogi teacher, they are not better than you or worse than you. They might just be a few steps ahead.

Panache Desai 1:08:02
That's your illusion. That's you again, with this linear progression through time.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:07
Okay, so, so, okay, so, great thing. But you were just saying that nobody is better or worse than you just wanted to be friends like Krishna. So, but at a certain point, Krishna was more he was teaching, he was still teaching. Was he really? Was he just awakening? Was he just awakening?

Panache Desai 1:08:29
Was he just himself and being himself right? Like, maybe that's all it is, you know, like, maybe we've just turned being authentic into a superpower, because so few people have the courage to be true. Well, maybe that's it, bro, absolutely not to say that Krishna wasn't an amazing being, or, you know, that any of these beings weren't phenomenal beings. But what made them amazing, what have made them amazing, was their own intimacy with themselves.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:52
But that's all. All the Masters are like that. All the Ascended Masters, all of them,

Panache Desai 1:08:55
No different than you or any other being that's watching this show. It's the same, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:09:00
It's just, it's just awakening to it. Yeah, it's just awakening to it. It's like, we could all be Neo in the Matrix. We just have to awaken to it.

Panache Desai 1:09:08
Yeah, where you're at the stage, you're at the stage of your neoness, where you're in the room with the Oracle, and you knocked over the vase. And then you're like, Okay, if you're, if you're all knowing, why didn't you tell me that I was gonna knock over the vase. And she turns around and says, Would it have made a difference?

Alex Ferrari 1:09:26
So that I am you're saying me personally, that's where I am on my trailer.

Panache Desai 1:09:29
Yeah, you're in the knocking over the vase. I'm like, okay, Oracle, if you're the Oracle and you know everything and everything's gonna unfold, why don't you tell me, then I would have knocked it over. But you're like, okay, even if I'd have told you, would it have made a difference,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:39
No she said something else. I'm not sure if it was in the first or second movie that she says. And what really fry your your noggin later is that it already fell before you even touch it. Exactly, you know. And it's like the the spoon, the spoon scene with it, with the little monk boy, yeah, right before he walks in. To the into there. He's like, he's like, how do you bend the spoon? Is like, no, the trick is to know that there is no spoon, right? And that's how it like, that whole movie don't get it's my favorite movie of all time. It's like, it just kind of just, you can watch it 1000 times, and it does it every time you find something new, yeah. It's like, it's the endless, endless piece of art panache. Is there something that we can do as a So, if someone's watching all of this beautiful conversation interaction that we've had, what can someone do on a daily basis, a daily practice, spiritual or otherwise, that can help us get to this understanding, this truth, this awakening?

Panache Desai 1:10:40
I think the main thing for me is that, you know, we have to give up this notion of a formalized meditation practice, and we have to realize that this is our meditation, like with our eyes open this thing called life. And so for me, it's like, come back to your breath. You know, just rest in the awareness of your breath. You know, it really does transform your life into a living meditation. You know, if you resonate with anything I've said here, come to call to calm. You know, come into a greater acceptance of your humanity. You know, realize that the more you embrace who you are, the more you open your heart to yourself. And this is what it really means to know yourself and love yourself. And ultimately, that works where a lifetime of fixing, healing, changing and improving just distanced you from the truth of yourself and your power accepting and embracing yourselves moves you closer to your heart, develops a closer level of intimacy with this being that you are. Alex and I have been talking about for all this time, you know, and so start with, start with the truth. You're not broken. You don't have to be healed. You don't have to be fixed. You're wonderful, and you already have this infinite potential within you, and the more you start to accept and embrace who you are, the more you're going to uncover it in the same way that every great being before you did.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:49
So with that said, you're saying that we don't have to heal or fix and I agree with you to a certain extent. I want to ask you your opinion on trauma, on baggage, on things that have happened to us in our life that we're carrying along with us. Maybe by pro we need to process it, or we need to move. What do you say to those people who are like, Hey, listen, I was, I was raised in an abusive family, and I'm carrying that pain with me all the time. How can I how can I overcome that?

Panache Desai 1:12:16
Well, so I've seen miracle after miracle where people just finally accept the fact that it happened, and then it completes the reason why they spend an entire lifetime working on it and fixing it and healing it and going to therapy and talking about it is because they're not willing to accept the fact that it happened. But what you accept, you complete. So the very second you can just accept the fact that the trauma happened, it's over. It no longer has any power over you. All of that stuff that you're doing, you're doing you're dancing around the trauma. And in fact, sometimes you're just re traumatizing yourself because you get stuck in this perpetual trauma loop, like you're working on it, you can't get rid of it. You're working on it, you can't get rid of it, but there's nothing to get rid of. So let's say, you know, everything that happened with my daughter slashed, or everything that happened growing up in London or whatever in my or whatever in my life, the only sentiment, or the only thing that I need to offer it is my acceptance, yes that happened

Alex Ferrari 1:13:11
The end, because you can look at what happened with your daughter, and I know many people in my Family and friends who would have just been worried for the rest of their lives about that, and I'm sure there is this, I have to assume there's some sort of concern with her and making sure she's okay and so on. But to be obsessed about it is what I'm talking about, which most people would have been like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Put, put her in a plastic bubble wrapper, wrapper, and, you know, bubble tape or something like that, because it's just so I would be as a father, I would be just like, Oh my God, but I understand, you see what I mean?

Panache Desai 1:13:48
Yeah, yeah. So the freedom comes through the acceptance of what happened. The very second you accept what happened, you don't have to work on it anymore. And, in fact, the reason why you're working on it is to finally get to a place where you can just finally accept the fact that it happened.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:04
It's you're absolutely right. Most, most trauma psychologists are, you know, the they or therapists. It's all about accepting what happened and bringing it out to the light and go look, it happened. Yeah, you've got to move on. Yeah, it was. It was part of the journey that you kind of signed up for, and that's hard for a lot of people to swallow.

Panache Desai 1:14:27
It can be because, because they don't realize that in the absence of that, they wouldn't be the person that they are now. So again, because we have this hierarchy of experience, we think that everything has to be hunky dory. We have to live in an ashram, and, you know, follow a certain lifestyle in order to live this perfect life, and we don't, no, we have to be born into every circumstance and situation so we can complete it. So no human being ever has to go through that again. The only reason why human beings have to keep going through things is because we don't accept the fact that they happen and complete them within our hearts. You see, the reason why acceptance is. So powerful is because once you accept it, you stop surviving it, and it finally reaches your heart and it integrates. So acceptance is always the fastest path to love and the fastest path to completion and oneness that any human being can ever use.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:14
Can I give you an example of something that happened in my life in regards, of course. So when I was 26 I almost made a $20 million movie for the mafia, and I was caught in that for

Panache Desai 1:15:26
Oh no, it's beautiful

Alex Ferrari 1:15:28
No wait, it's so much better. I wrote a whole book. My first book was all about, it's called shooting for the mob, and it's all about this journey that I went through. I was 26 I was offered a $20 million movie to do, an ex Gangster's life story, and then by the time I realized what was happening, I was already locked into this mob thing that I couldn't get out of. Like, literally, I was, I was trapped, but it was, but it was a prison that I set for myself, yeah, based on all the threats. And, you know, my life being threatened all the time, all that. Then to add insult to injury. I'm flown out to Hollywood, and I meet the biggest movie stars in the world, the biggest producers. I actually was in. I was in the the penthouse of one of the producers of the matrix, right? And this happened right between matrix one and two. So it was like, the early 2000s so it was right then. And I'm like, so I'm like, this close away from my dream, literally talking to Batman. I had one of the actors who played Batman I'm at their house and like, this insane story while my life is being threatened to me on a daily basis. So I was constantly being like, Oh, it's so close. Oh, so close. Oh so so when I was finally released, and he released me from this world, I was devastated. I went to a depression for almost like two years. I didn't do anything, I didn't go anywhere, and I kind of shut it all down. I put it in the deepest, darkest parts of me, and I moved on, only when a friend of mine said, you need to write this book. When I started to write the book, all of it came bubbling up. Oh yeah. And then I started to cry while I was writing, and I would skip chapters because I knew where I had to go emotionally. But once I wrote that book and recorded the audiobook, which took the recording of the audiobook, took me a year. I released the book first, and then, like when I wrote a whole other book, did another audiobook, and then came back to finish it, because it was so difficult for me to do once I once, I acknowledged it and accepted that that happened. Then I became grateful for it, because without it, I don't even know if I would be doing the work I'm doing right now of trying to help other people, because that was my goal. After that, I wanted to help filmmakers not go through the same journey and all the you know, the arrows and the bullets that I took while I was going through my journey as a filmmaker, I wanted to help them, and then it turns into next level. So, but without him, that doesn't happen, but it was most painful, most dramatic thing, one of them that has ever happened to me. Yeah, so Does that all make sense to you in your

Panache Desai 1:17:59
Beautiful man, I just love you. Like, honestly, like, I just love you. No, no wonder a million people come and watch, like, you're just amazing. Look at you. Proof of God, proof of divinity, proof of love. Like, what are we even talking about? Of course, we make it. Alex Ferrari is real, bro. Like, what are we talking about?

Alex Ferrari 1:18:16
Panache is real too.

Panache Desai 1:18:18
Alex Ferrari exists. What are we talking about? Of course, we make it. Look at us. Look at us. What is happening right now.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:31
But I appreciate that, but that's it, but that's the thing that is a great illustration of accepting a traumatic thing in your life. But it took me almost 20 years,

Panache Desai 1:18:44
Because people don't tell you that you can do that, right? Everyone tells you you have to work on it. You have to process it. You have to, you know, go do Ayahuasca journeys and go do catch them. You have to go do this thing, that thing, because nobody it's in nobody's best interest for you to just accept it and move on. It's in everyone's best interest for you to live in a state of perpetual incompletion and live in the illusion of imperfection, that's the sad truth, bro. Wow. Because, because if everyone just starts accepting their trauma and everything they've gone through. There is no personal development, spiritual development. There is no therapy, there is no analysis, there is no industry, there is no anything. There are just people who know how to be adults and how to navigate life as an adult through sense of personal accountability and responsibility and then an acceptance that opens your heart to the integration that everyone's really longing for. What everyone's really longing for is an integration emerging, and it's that acceptance that allows for it.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:51
Well, it's the is the equivalent of, if I find a cure for any number of diseases that if you put your finger in warm water with. A little sea salt in it, it cures it that's never going to be promoted, because there's no industry in that. No, there's no money to be made there.

Panache Desai 1:20:08
That's why we just keep having some regurgitation of some superficial thing after another that hits mainstream, but this kind of stuff never hits the mainstream. Why? Oh, it's, but it's, it's starting to, yeah, but, but because it works, right? Bro? Like, that's the thing. Like you and I both know firsthand that to turn and face yourself with love is the only way out of the solution,

Alex Ferrari 1:20:28
And it's hard. It's hard man, because of the programming, because of everything that people have been telling you since you were born.

Panache Desai 1:20:34
I call it human dysmorphia.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:37
Oh, that's beautiful

Panache Desai 1:20:40
People have body dysmorphia, but it's like human beings are suffering. Beings are suffering from human dysmorphia. You know, we've been taught to hate ourselves and reject ourselves and deny ourselves and see ourselves as something that's ugly, or parts of ourselves as ugly or horrible. What are we talking about?

Alex Ferrari 1:20:54
Well, that's how you sell well, you sell toothpaste because you don't want to have bad breath. Yeah. You know, like, I mean, don't get me wrong, you should probably brush your teeth. But you know, but, but there's an industry, you know, yeah, around that, that thing, like, if you want to, and it's never about health, it's more about, like, if you want to pick up the good looking girl, or stay with the pick up a good looking guy, or something like that, you need good breath. Use my product right to get

Panache Desai 1:21:21
Yeah, it's the same reason why a certain beverage company puts a smiley face on all of its cans accident, I think, not right. It's like, come on. Like, what are we doing? Guys like, you know, at some point we have to be the be the human beings that we were born to be. You know, at some point we just have to finally grow up into that and be that and step into that fully.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:44
But there's but there's lifetimes that people who go through lifetimes who never accept that or understand that.

Panache Desai 1:21:49
Well, I think this is the big show, bro. I don't know about you, but I felt like this is the big show. I feel like this is the one. I feel like this is the one I feel like we're going to end the whole cycle of reincarnation, coming back, people doing it, people needing to go through all this stuff, I felt like it's ending inside of each one of us every day, the more we take a step toward ourselves with love, the more we end the need for any other human being to go through this.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:12
It's what's happening. And as you said it earlier, is that when you find that light within you, when you find that truth within you, you start to radiate that to others, and others start seeing you as an example where they can awaken. And it's a ripple, it's a stone being dropped in the lake, and the ripples. But you have to do it for yourself. You can't change the world, you can't fix the world, you can't save the world. That's not something we can do. What we could do that is for ourselves, and by doing that for ourselves, it ripples out to everything else. Yeah, it makes sense.

Panache Desai 1:22:45
Yeah, perfect sense.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:49
Panache, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Panache Desai 1:22:53
Brother, just head on over to the website, panachedesai.com, P, A, N, A, C, H, E, D, E, S, A, I.com and comfortable to come. It's totally free, like people come from all over the world. I'll talk for 30 minutes about all of this stuff, and we'll sit and meditate for 21 minutes and have a good laugh and go about living our days.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:11
That's amazing. And do you have any final, last messages that you would like to share with this audience watching now and in the future?

Panache Desai 1:23:19
I think it's important that everybody know that they're not broken, that you don't have to be healed, you don't have to be fixed, you don't have to be changed, you don't have to be improved. You've just been trying to love people who don't love themselves, and as soon as you realize that you've been trying to get the acceptance and approval from people who don't love themselves, hopefully that frees you from the need to keep doing everything that you're doing, and then you can redirect your time, your effort, your energy and your resources and your awareness back toward yourself and remembering where that love truly resides and living from it. My deepest wish for all of you is that you know that part of yourself that's real, that never dies, that was never born, that's eternal, infinite and immortal and just thank you for the gift and the blessing of this time. And Alex, like, what a beautiful time,

Alex Ferrari 1:24:05
My friend. Thank you so much for for this conversation. It has been a profound one to say the least. I think people will be watching this again and again, because there's a lot of nuggets in this. And I not only appreciate you, man, but everything you're doing to help awaken not only this planet, but awaken each and every one of us within ourselves. So I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you.

Panache Desai 1:24:24
Thanks, bro.