Master SUPERNATURAL Healing Through One ANCIENT & POWERFUL Technique | Niraj Naik

Niraj Naik 0:00
The thing to remember is oxygen efficiency, CO2 tolerance and the ability to produce nitric oxide. If you can master that, then you're gonna have a much better quality of life you're gonna live longer and have less risk of disease.

Alex Ferrari 0:21
I'd like to welcome to the show Niraj Naik, Naek, Naik?

Niraj Naik 0:25
Perfect. I can't pronounce my name properly either and it's been like 44 years.

Alex Ferrari 0:33
Thank you so much for coming on the show my friend, I'm excited to talk to you, my friend. I saw you in. I think the first time I was exposed was Mindvalley. With with what you do there and then I went down a rabbit hole and we have a mutual friend that connected us. And I said please, I'd love to have Niraj on the show. Let me connect you. And here you are, sir. So I'm excited to talk to you. Right? Yeah, yes, Dr. Espen. He's amazing, does amazing work as well. So you really are focused in breathwork. And by the way, the first time I was introduced to you when you said the renegade pharmacist. I'm like, Well, you had me at Renegade, so. So tell me what was what was your life like before you got into the work that you're in now in breathwork? And understanding all of that?

Niraj Naik 1:24
Well, great question. I'm actually, right, I'm writing a book at the moment, I'm thinking to call it breath farmer, because I actually used to be a pharmacist, believe it or not, okay. And I worked for seven years community pharmacist. And prior to that, I actually used to run raves in the UK and I big drum and bass raves and 2000 people every month for three years. It was epic. That's why I thought I was always going to do but that didn't quite work out and ended up. Going back to my day job. While I study University, it was a crazy situation. And I ended up being a pharmacist. And I really didn't want to do that. It's one of the things that your parents kind of guide you into doing if you're Indian, you're either a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant, or a pharmacist or something like that, right? safe, secure professions. So I did that. And that's where I got a taste of my medicine. Like I suffered a lot with disillusionment, like wondering what the hell am I doing here? Like, am I really helping people to see people are going back with shopping bags full of drugs not getting better. In the end, it took its toll. I tried many different things to get out of this situation, different business ventures, things weren't working. And then I went to this Tony Robbins event. And that's where I heard for the first time somebody talk about diets and nutrition, and health and what what it really means to be healthy, right? So I thought, Well, I'm gonna put Tony Robbins to the test by see if he's full of sugar or not, because I got pharmacy full of sick patients, maybe I can get some job satisfaction by getting them off the pills. So instead of onto them, and actually, you know, it works. I came up with this healthy shopping list service idea where I write shopping lists, based on people's conditions. And I'm amazed I use a little bit of like, kind of motivational techniques, you know, persuasion techniques that I got from Tony, to persuade them, that was a good idea to do this. And I literally just simply swapped factory based foods for normal healthy foods. Last week, we came off medications quite fast within two weeks, at least the reductions in medications and doctors were loving it. They were like brilliant. It's actually got me promoted, they have a head office of one of the biggest corporations in the UK. And I was going to carry out this big mission of this LV shopping service that got shut down after six months, for some reason, shocking. And I got hit with a autoimmune disease called ulcerative colitis, which left me housebound for almost a year and I was pretty much shitting blood 40 times a day for a year was that that was the real turning point. For me. That was where I had to go deep in and I was told by the you know, the, the consultant, who was this huge, Obese Overweight lady clearly didn't like a job, and clearly didn't know much about health. She was telling me that stress makes no difference diet makes no pills. So she said either you take a pill that hasn't been tested yet be a guinea pig for that or have your colon removed. Why there has to be a third way and they say God stands for gifted desperation. Right? So luckily, somebody came to my rescue as an amazing yoga teacher in the UK, Swami Vivekananda. She said Samira, you actually got a gift if you can actually turn this around. You can be amazing role model to other people in your situation. And because you got this tenacity and this drive to want to help people so I saw I saw changing my perception and she said, Look, you can actually use some ancient, you know, breathing practices and lifestyle adjustments and yoga techniques to fix this. And so I put down my disbelief because you know what I'm, I'm actually like quite a left brain analytical kind of guy, especially back then. So I want everything to be proven. But back then there wasn't much science and evidence. So I just went for it, I had no choice. Because such relief of just a few techniques, they put me down a rabbit hole. And I was like, Alright, I want to put as much science as I possibly can, to these techniques, I want to improve this, I want to get it out to the world. And that's been my mission. Since then, I basically have packaged my method into a simple modality, which is based on the breath. It's based on same breathing techniques as I've used. And I've expanded on it because breath really is like a pharmacy, or breathing technique is like, if you're an arm, block your nose, you can do that. On a fixed contribution patient, you can do that if you want to have more fitness and endurance, you can do that if you want to fix your reptile dysfunction, you can do that. So there's many different things that you go to a pharmacy for quite commonly, that can be solved by just pranayama techniques. And like just simple lifestyle adjustments. So this I put into a system and that's actually become the foundation of now Soma breath, which where we train instructors, they're really like the new breath pharmacists, on all these ancient practices with a lot of science behind them in our Cambridge University studying our techniques. And we've grown into a community with like over 2000 instructors around the world. So it's been pretty, pretty epic.

Alex Ferrari 6:31
So weird. So when you say the ancient techniques, are you talking, these are yoga techniques, these are ancient yoga,

Niraj Naik 6:38
Based on Tantric Yoga, you know, traditional form of yoga, which is not very well understood, because there's different mode types of yoga in the mainstream now, which is very far away from the original sutras and, and I met a young doctor in India, who wrote some papers that really inspired me some research papers, they're very well cited. And he is a yogi, but also a medical doctor. It's called Prakash Marsh. And he, well, I reached out to him, and he took me on as a student. So I went and trained with him studied with him. And he ended up joining forces with me, we create a curriculum together. But in there, he's basically what he's done is taken these ancient practices, and put science and like, explain them, like from a medical understanding, and is so profound when you look at it from that perspective.

Alex Ferrari 7:31
So you're telling me that goat yoga is not 7000 years old?

Niraj Naik 7:35
Yoga is no one knows how it is, but there's no

Alex Ferrari 7:39
Goat yoga, goat yoga, not so much. goat yoga, you don't know when He would go up. This is the insanity that we are here where you do yoga and little baby goats climb on you.

Niraj Naik 7:51
What?

Alex Ferrari 7:58
Yeah, so yeah, so people understand that to the yoga has been around for such a long time. And it is, so far, it's not just to have a killer bod. It's about other deeper elements that I've I think are slowly starting to come back in are coming into the Western mind a bit more, because it started off like that, but then it kind of went into the physical, you know, Lululemon world. And then now we're going I think we're going back into that spiritual world.

Niraj Naik 8:27
And what's happened now is it's all become compartmentalized. So you have the trauma specialists, you have the eye doctor, you have the, you know, that regression therapists and hypnotherapist and massage therapists and all these different experts in different fields. But really, we're how we're a whole everything is holistic. So Yoga is a complete system, it takes into account everything and has methods for you know, that are therapeutic that are for physical health and emotional health, you know, and so on. So really yoga if you look at it properly, it's a way of life and it's really a system for working on every aspect your life and there is hypnotherapy type techniques, which is like things like yoga nidra guided meditation is just a form of hypnosis, then there's, you know, things were physical endurance peak fitness, which is like the yoga asana and pranayama, which are all about creating oxygen energy efficiency, you know, then there's the concentration exercise is Gianna yoga and, and other you know, Karma Yoga, all about action and passion and, and doing service in the world, right. So a lot of things have become separated. And I'm trying to bring them together a bit more. So they all work in alignment with each other. And simplifying it. Things don't have to be so complicated. change and transformation is easy, actually, if you just know the principles of it.

Alex Ferrari 9:56
So I have to ask you because the first experience I ever was even at supposed to the understanding of breath work with Wim Hof the Wim Hof Method. I know, you guys are colleagues and friends. And, you know, when I tested it, you know, taking a cold shower, I'm like, holy crap, this thing is working. Can you explain why it works? What is it about the breath that, you know, even something like the Wim Hof Method, or that you can you can deal with with extreme cold or are you trying to heal yourself? Or you're trying to, you know, open up your chakras or what what is it that people feel when the breath work because we breathe every day? So what is the what is the power of the breath? Can you explain it to somebody who has no understanding of it?

Niraj Naik 10:41
Yeah, sure. So yeah, I spent a lot of time when I made the soundtrack to the Wim Hof Method. And if you go to his YouTube video that's had like millions of views, like that's all my music, and we met albums together. And he's an amazing I love him. So, if you look at the Wim Hof Method from a pranayama, or equivalent of it, so similar to me, so you got bass Trico, which is rhythmic breathing, and are fast breathing, right, so you breathe. And the point of that fast breathing is actually to get rid of co2. You briefly for a brief period, you're letting go of co2, co2 is what tells your brain, you need to inhale. So what happens is when you go to into your breath hold, which is called by a comebacker. But when you get to a certain point around 60, to 92nd, where you go beyond a certain point, it's known as Shesha, chakra, where which in a sutra is it basically means holding your breath after XL to the maximum effort you possibly can. And what this creates is a state called intermittent hypoxia. And this is where the magic happens. So comebacker, which is all about breathwork, holding your breath is the most revered technique of all, in pranayama, right, and what that does is when you take away oxygen for a brief period, because what you get is a lower than normal oxygen level, for a brief period. That's why it's called intermittent hypoxia, lower than normal oxygen, your body goes, Oh, I'm running out of oxygen, I need to change and suit the environment. So what it does is it prepares for that happening, right, so where you get prepared for a low oxygen environment. So it actually improves your amount of blood red blood cells, you have you get improved blood circulation, get new blood vessels being formed, you increase in dilate, or the blood vessels in your heart and your brain. Okay, and you also increase over time, number of mitochondria in the cells and overall, eventually, your breathing rate will slow down and you'll be able to hold your breath for longer periods, which is a sign of oxygen efficiency. Now, oxygen we need to become friends with because oxygen actually is reactive. It's like if you imagine the mitochondria like little combustion engines, that's really what they are. The oxygen goes in there. And it burns like a fire right inside. And it creates overtime wear and tear free radical damage, oxidative stress, your body's always fighting and battling against which you want to mitigate the stress from oxygen combustion, right? Just like a car, right? That hasn't been tuned very well hasn't it service. When you drive the engine too hard, it blows up, right? Same thing if you what we want to do with and what yoga tries to do the asana and pranayama combination is to make you so efficient use an oxygen, you need to have less oxygen. And that means and you will have less of this oxidative stress. Your age will lifespan will increase. You live longer. You live healthier. And it all works by this one secret magic ingredient. It's not secret anymore. Nitric oxide, nitric oxide, just remember nitric oxide, no nose, right? It's only ever really producing nasal breathing or breath retentions when you hold your breath beyond the comfort zone. So which you do with the Wim Hof Method, you do it with our breath techniques as well. We have techniques like that. You actually create this positive stress response and through the nitric oxide mechanism. And nitric oxide is vasodilation Bronco dialer. It's also antiviral, antibacterial, anti microbial, but what it also does, Okay, check this out, is it activates stem cells, and it wakes them up out of circulation because stem cells hate oxygen. So they come out to play in low oxygen environments, right? So when you do brief period of low oxygen, stem cells wake up, boom, they go to areas where there's low oxygen, sorry, they go to areas where there's healing needs to be done rejuvenation, lower inflammation, and they go in and do their part there. And yeah, So that's kind of in the essence, how that works. But also you got to remember this. If you go to stem cell labs, right, the way they activate stem cells is through low oxygen. Right? That's one of the main mechanisms. Also intense heat, and intense cold. Right? So what is wind do? He does intense cold, right? So he's activated and we were all about sauna like so. My so my system is more about there's no one size fits. All right, and you've got to find what works for you. And what we do is we modify techniques and customize them. For the individual, we have a variety of different greens and some that are all about, you know, positive stress responses, oxygen efficiency, others that can turn off stress on command, lower your blood pressure, lower your heart rate, we've got others that act like natural anti inflammatories, you know, unblocking your nose, lowering inflammation, clearing congestion. And ultimately, our system, what we're trying to do is help people become very oxygen efficient, right, so that they have a better life, better quality of life, they're more calm, because co2, which is what we're actually training ourselves to have more of my in our system is good co2 tolerance, co2 is what allows oxygen to come off blood cells and enter into body tissue cells. Without carbon dioxide, we actually don't get oxygen go into where we go, and we get low body tissue oxygenation, which is a result of what causes most diseases. So basically, the things to remember is oxygen efficiency, co2 tolerance and the ability to produce nitric oxide. If you can master that, then you're gonna have a much better quality of life, you're gonna live longer and have less risk of disease. After you've done that, then we go into the deeper layers of how do we understand ourselves? How do we peel away the layers of what makes us us our identity, our ego, right? Because we are as good as our egos right now. Well, our level of thinking is as good as the quality of our thoughts. So if you want to go to the next level, you have to understand your truth, who you are. So you can make better decisions for you not because society tells you, you should do something, you're doing it based on your own truth. But then you can also discover like, new abilities, new passions, new pursuits, you can get out of this kind of status quo like situations and move into new environments, new realities, tunnels, I call it, where you actually flow into a life, which is way bigger, better, more rewarding, fulfilling than you had before. But the reason why we don't do that automatic command is because we have all these limiting beliefs is programs, conditions and imprints that happen at a very early age in our life. And this is where people use therapy, right? To try and unravel themselves. But there are breathing techniques accelerates this make it easier, and I've made this therapeutic breath practice. It combines the breath with guided meditations and music therapy because musics my big passion, as I said, I serve on arrays, so and back into making music. There are beauty music, and, and these therapeutic breath sessions, which is what we one of the ones you did with Dr. Espen are profound and take you into the most heightened extraordinary states of you know, they're like psychedelic journeys. Oh, yeah. And from there with the right guidance, you can you can make a major difference to somebody.

Alex Ferrari 18:30
I mean, that's exactly what I did with Dr. Aspen. I, he, he took me to one of these, these sessions. And it was it was he warned me he's like, this could be very psychedelic for you. And it was in, in a very weird way. I've never felt anything like that before. And I was still recuperating for the next few days. That was just kind of like, off my meditations took a new level, a new shift because something kind of opened up in me. I was just so blown away at the power of the breath. And I've known about the I've known about the concept of breath work and I've read, you know, yogi's, you know, breath, work books and things like that. And I've tried a few things, but I've never gone deep into it. But by the way, your explanation of the actual physiology of what happens is brilliant. It was so concise, and I completely understand. And when you even answered the question before I even asked it because it was like this is what Yogi's do, because Yogi's have this ability, some say to live 150 200 years, sometimes depending on the legends, but even then even an extended life of even 120 130 140 where they just do breath work every morning. And they they just are constantly replenishing ourselves. Because I asked a bunch and I forgot. I've asked quantum physicist I've asked biologists why do we die if we recruit if we redesign our bodies or ours are regenerated, we have a full new body every seven years. Why do we die? What is the purpose of it? And you just kind of explained it, the engine is like you can have, you can take care, you can take care of a good car, a good engine, and it'll you take a Toyota, take good care of it, change the oil, don't rub it, you know, it'll last you bet at a certain point.

Niraj Naik 20:24
That's it. It's, but you know the thing. So yeah, in yoga, you measure somebody's lifespans. Let me see if that answers this by how many breaths they take not. Heart rate and things like that. So every time you train yourself to hold your breath, using conducting things, you actually add on minutes to your breath, they say so, if you hold your breath for a minute, you've added an extra minute to your databank. Now, same thing goes with breathing rates, if you and depth of breathing, so volume of air. So let's say average breathing rates, most people they live like 70 years is 15 to 20 breaths per minute, according to the science right? Now, yogi's breathing rates are much lower, like 10, WrestleMania or less. So if you can bring your breathing rate down, you actually start to increase your lifespan dramatically. And this is shown in the animal I'm not loads of making stuff up is shown in the animal kingdom, animals are live a very long time. Whales, elephants, turtles, they're very slow breathing rates, whales have like less than one breath per minute greenways. And they can hold their breath for long periods of time, like two hours. Now animals that don't live a long time. Like rats and mice, they breathe very fast. 150,000 requests per minute they live like one year, well, two years, right. But this is the this is the kicker. This is the this is the one that supports everything other than saying the naked mole rat, the naked mole rat is a rat. But it lives 30 years, almost completely free of disease, it's very hard to get cancer and stuff like that. The difference between that and normal rats is their lives primarily underground, in a hypoxic environment, a low oxygen environment, high co2, and you can hold his breath for 18 minutes at a time. So breath rates, and breath. Hold times, is what you want to train for if you want to live longer.

Alex Ferrari 22:26
Fascinating, my friend fascinating. Now I've heard the differences between nasal breathing and mouth breathing. Can you talk about the differences and what we should be doing more of depending on the technique, I guess,

Niraj Naik 22:39
Very good point. So we are designed to breathe through our nose is the only way you produce nitric oxide and own nose, right. So we must always breathe through our nose. And pretty much all of my techniques are nasal breathing based, some more intense techniques that are like more like taking you to orgasmic states or psychedelic states, which you don't want to do all the time. Because it can cause stress on the body, or mouth breathing sometimes, but more focus on the exhale rather than breathing in like large volumes of air. So. So they are our kind of rare treats that we have sometimes on our retreats. But it's not like what we teach people or encourage people to do every day. Every day we focus on healthy nasal breathing, and diaphragmatic breathing and what you'll see you'll observe a person who's, like, optimized with their breath again. Now Lao Tzu is a famous Chinese philosopher who said this quote, the perfect human breathes like they don't breathe at all. Right? So somebody's very optimize their breath is like somebody you can't even see if they're breathing, it's like, doesn't look like they're breathing. Their breath is so subtle, and it's in through the nose into the diaphragm, that they're hardly needs to breathe any air because there's so efficient use of oxygen. So their diaphragm hardly moves. And their breath is so subtle, right? And it's smooth. There's no like jitteriness, no stuttering This is not like manic, it's not fast, it's calm. And the breath is also your breathing is a mirror of your thoughts. So someone who's very erratic in their thoughts and mind and stressed they tend to have a faster erratic breathing that matches that. But someone who's very coherent and very relaxed and in their element and in the flow. Their breathing is very rhythmic harmonic. And it's also the three S's slow, silent and subtle. And that's that's how we train our instructors. We observe their eye, their goal is to get people into that state where they can naturally do to chill for hours, hardly breathing.

Alex Ferrari 25:02
And is that that one of the reasons why meditation is so beneficial to you on a physical level? Because like when I meditate, I my breath slows dramatic.

Niraj Naik 25:14
Very hard to meditate. We're breathing. Yeah, fast or like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, actually, because your thoughts are so linked to your breath. The best state of meditation is achieved, usually in comebacker when you're holding your breath. Right? Because you're pausing life for a second, for a moment. Right? When you press pause on life, you press pause while paused on your breath, you press pause on life for a moment. And that's where what happens at this point is very interesting, when you completely steal the thoughts. So there's no more vocalization in your mind. No verbalization no words, right. So the verbal part of the mind is the monkey mind recorded right? After which worries about the future hung up on the past is constantly like saying negative words, or sometimes positive words to you over and over again, it creates a sympathetic reaction in your body sympathetic nervous system reaction, which produces an adrenaline response. And sometimes cortisol is a negative voice. And what that does is it causes tension. And when you have tension in the body, right, blood flows get suppressed to those areas. And then over time, you get stiff, rigid, and you get degenerative diseases, chronic pain and all those issues. But when you just train yourself to meditate, with a slow, smooth, consistent breath, Vipassana, great example, nasal breathing in for six seconds, after six seconds, very slow, subtle silence, right? Or just training yourself to do that, and then hold your breath for long periods, you can meditate so much easier. And what you do is you shut off this monkey mind. Right? So we do these techniques that quieting your mind completely. We've shown this scientifically. And we've got Cambridge University studying us to clarify this. And basically what that does is it shuts off the area of the brain, the brains version, the ego, with a default mode network, the default mode network was your sense of self, your sense of identity, who you are, it's, it's, it's really the brains version you go, when you quiet and then down, another voice starts to speak and your soul starts to speak to you. And so when your soul speak to you start to think much more in alignment, rather than what society and culture the cultural hypnosis wants you to think. You start to think from your true self, rather than the programmed conditioned self. And that's really yoga. That's That is yoga.

Alex Ferrari 27:52
So, let me ask you, when, when something like too extreme, so like the Wim Hof, which is cold or your hours of sleep hotter, what is the breath actually doing? So you could withstand something that normally your body wouldn't be able to resist kind of like, you know, you're in a you're in you know, negative whatever degree temperature water and you feel hot, what is actually happening cellularly in the body, that the breath.

Niraj Naik 28:22
So let me let's talk about Wim Hof Method. So Wim Hof Method is designed to heat you up so you can stay warm and nice buff, but that heating up technique still has a lot of other benefits even if you don't do the ice bath. Okay? The problem with that is some people in the Vedic system is very good because it's all about not understanding who you are, and we're different elements that are Pitta. Kapha about as air Peters fire kaphas Earth right. So basically, what the Wim Hof Method is really good for is creating more fire more pitter internal heat and drive and what this helps a lot is the people who lack fire in their life, the drive, you know whims like a, your most full power alpha dude, ever. He's amazing. He's a force of nature, right? But not everyone can handle it. Like they were ready to fire it themselves. And they get burnt out and to stress doing it sometimes, but the ice cools you down. So it's interesting, you get fire and then you go in the ice and it cools you down. That's why pitter people are very fiery low when it tends to be medium to muscular build. And athletic types like he's like that. They like and they're if they're very fiery, they like to cool down and cool temperatures. So they love ice baths right now people who are a bit more like I can do the ice bath. No problem. I have Pitzer in YouTube, but I'm more Vater pisser. I'm like a mix. And that's a bit of evil. They prefer actually the cooling breath. So let me talk to you a science between what's a heating breath and a cooling breath. That is I'm sorry that people prefer the heat. But then you need to do cooling reps to stay in the heat for longer. Peter, people love the cold. But then you need to do fiery techniques to stay in the cold for longer, and the pitter can give you more fire as well. Right. So Wim is all about he really loves the cold because he's so fiery cools it down. I'm all about the heat, because I am more Vater or more of this air type and I love to get the heat fire. I loved ice, but I like the rotation of the two. So does he he does he does better actually. So, but in a nutshell, we're all individuals and we like different things. So. So the heating techniques, they produce adrenaline in the body fire, right they drive the mitochondria. So how you do that is if you're going to do the Wim Hof Method to create heat. You want to use your mouth, okay, and you want to force the inhale. This is the most extreme way to generate you can try it right now if you want. What you do is you breathe in for around, well a full lung full of air and then just let go. So half the volume is left and then you keep repeating. So it's like in for about four seconds out for round two like this try if you want the nose through the nose, you're gonna get lightheaded quickly through my mouth just to feel the heat generated quickly. into the into the diaphragm preferably. You'll see you if you breathe your mouth Eugen generally most people refer chest Do you feel Do you feel it?

Alex Ferrari 31:46
Oh, yeah. I'm already starting to get my I'm starting to feel a little bit warmer in my arms in my I feel blood. Wow, it's weird. My face is starting to turn red a little bit. It's interesting. But just with a few

Niraj Naik 32:00
That was a few right, so let's say you do 20 30 of those. And then you go and hold your breath after the exhale, right breath holds to maximum effort also generates heat because it drives the mitochondria, the mitochondria go into overdrive to produce extra energy to deal with a low low oxygen environment. Alright, so that's it, that's heat building techniques. There's other ones as well if you breathe in through your right nostril. Because your right nostril is solar, the left nostrils moon, right, so the sun when you breathe in through the side and you produce heat. If you shut this nostril and just breathe in and out for the right, you're going to start producing fire, right. In fact, your nostril switch between sun and moon activity, one nostrils always more dominant than the other every 90 minutes throughout the day, you can actually actually change them switch them. I call it switch breath I renamed all the pranayama techniques, you can switch to what you want. So if you want to have more drive, you can do that if you want to be more passive and crave you can switch to the left nostril or the science to which we teach in our course. But but just generally if you breathe in through your right and even hold your breath after that, with a full inhale and hold your breath to maximum effort, you quickly start to produce heat especially if you pull the Ashwini modulus the muscles around your sphincter if you pull them up at the same time attract and hold so let's talk and save time. So when you do that you produce adrenaline unifier goes up so that's the process of generating heat, which you can do in a cold bath. Ice bath, cold room. If you want to stay warm in a cold room, make sure right nostril is active.

Alex Ferrari 34:06
Alright, so and then and then with the heat

Niraj Naik 34:10
Cooling techniques is extended exhalations. rhythmic breathing with slow extended exhalations to infer like two beats out for four beats. So that switches on the person their nervous system. So the sympathetic is the hyperventilation style, but forced inhale. The parasympathetic is the slow exhalation that like emphasis on exhalation. Right and then humming hum me, we go into the sauna and just hum continuously get into the super transcendental state It's and then lasts way longer, like, you know, I can do like 20 minutes easily at a 95 degree sauna, which we do in our retreats, which a lot of people will freak out that he

Alex Ferrari 35:12
How much 195 Celsius or centigrade. So what does Fahrenheit?

Niraj Naik 35:18
Celsius

Alex Ferrari 35:19
What does that Fahrenheit?

Niraj Naik 35:21
It's 200 degrees Fahrenheit.

Alex Ferrari 35:22
Oh Jesus, that's a lot 20 minutes into under degrees holy,

Niraj Naik 35:26
Yes, it sounds insane.

Alex Ferrari 35:28
That isn't I mean, I do 175 And I'll do it for eight to 10 minutes, you know, maybe 50.

Niraj Naik 35:36
Because of these these techniques, I can also the heats ones, I can stay longer in the ice buff. So in Bali years ago, I had a little record on it. It's probably broken now. But I did 32 minutes. I mean, this girl did it together. So we both we both have the claim to the fame. But yeah, so I could have stayed longer, but I was stupid.

Alex Ferrari 35:58
So at a certain point it's just it's it's ego at that point if the ego doctor has been said when he when he spoke to you on his show that you were able to bring your heart rate down you do kind of like a like a. I don't know if it was called Eric, what is that? Like? You had your heart? Oh, you have it? Oh, please, please do me on the spot now. Okay, go ahead. See if you could do this

Niraj Naik 36:23
Tomato pie trick. Okay, let's see if I can just get okay. So what is

Alex Ferrari 36:27
So what is it? What is your what? Tell everybody what are watching first?

Niraj Naik 36:30
Okay, so it's okay. Okay. So, the

Alex Ferrari 36:37
Heart rate, it's a heart rate monitor on

Niraj Naik 36:39
One to one, especially my heart rate because I've been hyperventilating a bit so it's probably a little higher. Alright, first see the one on one. Yes. Okay, let me see if I can do it. Hopefully this is the machine that works. I know one of them doesn't work but let's see this. This is I think this is it

I'm gonna send it up now by 30 beats per minute. Right?

Alex Ferrari 37:31
So he dropped it down. Yeah, you're gonna send it back up okay, so he took it all the way up to 110 from 70 and now he's going right back down wow! wow you got? Yeah, you went down to all the way down to 69.

Niraj Naik 39:03
I mean, it could have been more. I mean, yeah. If you focus if you focus on like coffee before this.

Alex Ferrari 39:09
So I have to ask you, What the hell were you doing? How were you able to control your heartbeat that way? I mean, you barely were moving. You were doing breath. Obviously some sort of breath work, but you jumped 40 or 50 beats in whim. Like how did you do that? Sir?

Niraj Naik 39:26
I love it. When somebody goes how did you do that?

Alex Ferrari 39:28
Yes. It's always a fun like, I mean, I understand the concepts behind it. But I didn't even see you do anything really. It was kind of like you were doing some something going on inside or you were doing very different. It wasn't something very obvious like you were. You weren't doing anything like that. It was something very subtle.

Niraj Naik 39:45
A friend of mine, a very close friend of mine. He was a professional card magician. He was a mentalist. He could do all that kind of crazy David Blaine tricks, and every reaction was uh, how did you do that? Yeah, they're caught. They're illusions right? But it's is real magic. So let me explain how this works. Okay, yes. So, and this is profound because if you know these principles, you can really help yourself and others, right. So when you breathe in your heart rate goes up a bit. When you breathe out, your heart rate goes down a bit. When you breathe in, hold your breath, and pull up the Aswini module, which is connected to your Sonos system. It's also considered like the Mula Bandha. But they're really different things. In yoga, it's a bundle, it's a lock energy lock, when you pull in and squeezing the tracks and pull up and hold your breath on the inhale is crate adrenaline, boom, your heart rate shoots up, right. And then what happens is you get a at that point, a little switch happens, and your nervous system resets and you go into parasympathetic and then your heart rate starts to drop. Now what I do then is you if you hold your breath, or slow your breath down low I assure you this is slow your breath down if you just like breathe out very slowly breathing out through a small store

Alex Ferrari 41:20
Just by the slow breath

Niraj Naik 41:55
Knowing the best position on my it's time to go down. So

Alex Ferrari 42:00
No, it did go down.

Niraj Naik 42:02
Yeah, if you hold your breath after the exhale it pauses and it slows your your heart rate starts to gradually go down. So with very long breath holds I need to be in a different states to do to do Yeah, yeah, I hadn't had coffee just before the aspirin one, the aspirin one I took it down to like 48. Yeah, he told me that. Yeah, he took it like really low, even lower. And I can do that. But it's all about holding your breath after the exhale. And you hold your breath. And that's like pressing the pause like the brake pads. And your heart rate starts to drop significantly. So some Yogi's can do it, get it right down to like 20 beats per minute, to the point where they stop their heart. It's insane. They get into such long breath holds. I'm still working on it. Because this is takes years. And skills. You can even stop your heart for a brief moment. It's magic.

Alex Ferrari 43:00
And still be alive and still be alive.

Niraj Naik 43:02
Yeah, still be alive and go into Samadhi? Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 43:05
Oh my god. So this this is so this is wild. Well, thank you for that demonstration, because it was pretty impressive for somebody who's never seen anything like that before. So it does definitely live live on our show prove a lot of the techniques that we're talking about,

Niraj Naik 43:20
You know, what the olden days Yogi's, used to do this. And they get their disciples this way, right. But they've never explained how they do it. Right. So I'm like, screw that. Let's just teach everybody how to do this. Why not? Because it's the pharmacy right? And now we've got science, we can count the heart rate, you can see it visually. But with this knowledge is very important because with the right sequence of breathing techniques, you can lower heart rate, lower blood pressure, turn off the stress turn on parasympathetic, right. And you can also produce adrenaline on commands if you can produce adrenaline on command. You have your own natural anti inflammatory and also like a steroid, your own natural. Why do we give adrenaline sometimes for allergies, anaphylactic shock, adrenaline, right? So adrenaline is actually quite a useful medicine for certain things. You can also use it to create positive states inspiration inspired thinking. And dopamine adrenaline can give you drive as well as a heightened ability to change your mind your brain at a neurological level. So we use like these techniques, which get you into these heightened dopaminergic adrenalized states where you actually change rapidly your brain on your according to own will. And there's been many studies done now with hypnotherapy where they show and through meditation, how you change the brain, right one on by intention. So what we do is rapid brain change, right through using intention in this sequence with them. Breathing techniques and music, which heightens the whole experience. And that takes you into these profound transformational states. And people become different people as a result of it, you can actually improve your cognitive abilities, your memory or ability to retain knowledge, all sorts of stuff by annual, your ability to attract and manifest things, you know, is enhanced when you learn how to program the brain properly.

Alex Ferrari 45:27
So let me ask you when? Because you mentioned this a little earlier in our conversation when you there's extremes like the heat and the cold, that, that the stem cells come out to play when there's no oxygen. But it also has to be Did you say cold or hot? Cold right for Is there a temperature is cold, right? So is that what happens when because I've been reading studies now they're saying cold therapy, and sauna. Hot therapy is a ways to kind of energize the immune system to heal yourself. Is that a correct statement?

Niraj Naik 46:01
I think it works through activation of stem cells, growth factors, growth hormone, neurogenesis, all of this to BDNF. It's a whole cascade of different benefits.

Alex Ferrari 46:12
So then let me ask you this. What is it can breathwork fight a specific disease like it did for you? Like, can you explain what it's doing? For people who have? I don't know, you know, whatever the disease is? Can it help in the treatment of it?

Niraj Naik 46:31
Yes. Yes, yes. Yes.

Alex Ferrari 46:34
So how does it work?

Niraj Naik 46:35
It's not make any huge wall chain Exactly. The science shows, and anecdotal evidence which we have seen from having 2000 structures, a massive community 100,000 users, like to the point of a Cambridge universe you're studying last right? We've seen significant evidence that these breathing particles can help with diseases, right. Now let's look at disease. What is it? What does disease mean? Okay. So we have different types of disease, this ease is really a disturbance in the body. If you look at Iveta, which is the ancient Indian system, medicine, or disease is an energetic imbalance a spiritual problem, right? How do you produce energy in the body? Breathing, breathing oxygen, oxygen goes into mitochondria, Christ ATP energy, right? So quantum science, everything is energy equals and energy is matter, a duality, right? So another Vedic concept that was 1000s of years old before quantum physics jumped on it right now. So So what that means is that if we can bring balance back, we can get rid of most diseases. So as I said, let's go back to that whole point of vata, pitta, kapha, were different matrix of, of balances, were really like an equalizer, right? Some people have their batter up there, it is there. And the kafirs down there, right, some people have it the other way around, and so on were different levels of these energies. And what they did in our videos to put us into seven different types, either vata, pitta, or kapha, or vata, pitta, or vata, kapha, or pitta, kapha, or a combination of all three, right, so, this is our predominant energy type, now, or our elements, okay, now, I'm all about find your element and live by it. So if you live by your element, and this is the amazing live attic system, it tells you the kind of foods you should eat, the types of people you should surround yourself with the climate you should live in, and how you should breed a standard for all different elements and also customized to the individual. And that way, you can actually make the right choices for you rather than fall into this trap of one size fits all. So that's the first thing find your element, learn to live by it now. So that's like, lifestyle diseases can pretty much be corrected. Through these changes through I bet if you know how to do it. I'm not many people understand either. But I've tried to really demystify it and make it really accessible. Right. So that's, that's in our in our courses. But the breadth now let's look at how the breadth comes into this. So let's look at a disease like an autoimmune like I had. Now autoimmune is much more complicated. What happens with autoimmune is that your cells in your body, right? get confused. Your immune cells think that everything is in a threat. So it starts attacking healthy cells, most autoimmune diseases, that's how they are right. So and also in the Vedic system, so interested in my energy type is better pitar. That's my element. Right? And in there, it says, if you go back to the original text that we have a tendency towards coal on issues and ulcers in the colon. Right excess fire causes ulcers. And excess air affects the colon. So it's very interesting. So when you go off balance we have to do is correct the balance. Now the breath is amazing because what it does is it can instantly restore balance to the all three elements, okay? And one of the ways to do that is through rhythmic breathing when you breathe in and out in a perfect rhythm, because every single bio rhythm in your body or every single function your body is written in there by rhythm. So in Frasier and rhythm, circadian ultradian rhythm like sleep wake cycles, and menstrual cycles of women, things like that. So when you breathe in a rhythm, and this is the foundation of yogic practices, rhythmic breathing, breathing in and out in perfect rhythm to the beat. When you do that, you create this inner harmony, you feel amazing anyway. So my technique and where it differs from Wim Hof is we focus a lot on rhythmic breathing. And there's different types of breathing, you can be rhythmic with an extended exhalation or an extended inhalation or just balance breath. And you can do very slow long breaths as well like in for abs operate even up to 30 to 30 to one breaths per minute type techniques, right? So this inner harmony and this re harmonization is one of the foundations to restore balance. Now here's the other thing. So what's the cause of autoimmune? Let's look at the cause. I'm all about the cause, identify the cause, you can find a solution right? So autoimmune diseases, right quite often are the result of a issue that's happened at some point in the timeline of your life. We call these udon moments. U stands for an add on identify. Sorry, unexpected. So this is something that came out of the blue. Right? And you didn't expect it at all. It's a big surprise. D means dramatics. There's a lot of emotion associated with it. Very dramatic. AI is isolating. So it's just you, nobody else. And n is no strategy. No way to get out of it. Right. This is you're just helpless. This was what happened to me. This was the udon moment that broke my my ass and I bleeding. Not the camel's back. But literally my butthole the only moment was when I was I worked so hard to get to the top of this corporation to do something that I thought would help me money. And then it was swept away from me it was a huge, unexpected moment very dramatic, I'm going to be the face of this become me isolating. It's just me and the whole corporation, the corporate head office where everyone wanted to get me out of there because I was a threat to them. And then no strategy, there was nothing I could do my work, I'm going to go back to the machine job. Now successive earning moments layer on top of each other over somebody's life. And that can manifest them as a disease or an autoimmune disease, right? quite commonly. But the earliest food in moments are the ones that happen in early childhood, right? And especially the first infant and it happens with the mother and child. Okay, mother and child imprints are? Well, when you're breastfed and nurtured these imprints, create a very karmic strong bond with a mother. Now, a lot of autoimmune diseases are actually like specially ones that manifest later on in life, like it did for me, either results of a issue or conflicts with this karmic ratio with a mother. And if you feel as a son, that you've let your mum down all the time, because she's never satisfied. She's disapproves of what you do should you've let her down. She's always comparing you to other people, and you can never live up to her expectations. If that goes on for too long. It can mean you stay in this karmic bond, and it can mean you have a lifelong disease. So that's the earliest moments can be the actually right the beginning. Often when there's even a trauma that happens like your mom maybe abandons you leaves you completely fend for yourself or just doesn't is stressed out herself, like full of stress because she's in a bad marriage. Maybe she can abused and this imprints into you right. So you become your environment. And the first imprint This is the first segment deals with what you how you see the world, whether it's safe or unsafe. Whether you trust people or you don't or whether you believe the universe is on your side or out it against you, right? So this can really change the inner world to your perception of the outer world can change your life. In a world, and this can lead to lots of unresolved conflicts and emotions, that they manifest dementia disease. So the breath is amazing because with the breath, we can go back through hypnotic breathing techniques into old memories and reframe them reimprinting them in a heightened, ecstatic state which a breath can get us into, which is what our breath therapists are designed to take people into these ecstatic peak experiences, mystical experiences, where reimprinting occurs, and then boom, they re imprint the past, into something that's much more empowering for the future, then that this disease leaves it's, there's no need for anymore. And here's another thing with rhythmic breathing, especially with vocal toning with like, kind of sounds can release a lot of unresolved emotion that gets stuck as inflammation in your somatic intelligence, which is there really, it's your neurology doing what is supposed to do is there to try and stop you from getting into that situation ever again. Because all your your brain does not care about brain serotonin brain, about your happiness. All it cares about is your survival. It will put you into unhappy situations, purely to keep you alive. So if you need to reframe what means safe to you, once you know what's safe to you. Right, then you overcome all this shit

Alex Ferrari 56:35
It's beautiful, my friend beautiful, I wanted to ask you really quickly about the energy centers and how can breathwork open the energy centers want to go a little bit more spiritual to see because breathwork has not only a physical mind, but as we kind of hinted on with Yogi's, a very profound spiritual component where it opens energy centers, you go into altered states, can you explain if you can't have that works.

Niraj Naik 57:01
So the chakra system that we're very familiar with, it was actually not really part of traditional yoga came way later on. Okay. And actually, in traditional yoga we had were more like what the Chinese think of as meridians, we had many different energy centers, and points all around the body, right? A lot of Chinese ideas and things like Qigong and all that. And Tai Chi even came from India actually, originally, when one of the Indian Yogi's, went to China and, and really kind of translated it for that community. It was there. And it became like these Chinese practices, right Chinese medicine, but really, we had, we have lots of chakras all over us. Okay, different meridian points. But what I believe the chakra system is is actually the map of the human endocrine system. Okay. So you have your sex glands down here, and your root chakra, then you have the CF, the sacral root, the root, the sacral root, but these really correspond to endocrine glands, a hormonal system, then you got your solar plexus, which is your digestive glands, and you've got your heart, which is your thymus gland, right, your your thyroid gland, which is then your throat, then you have the third eye, which is pineal gland, again, another gland. And then you have your crown, which is your pituitary gland, right. So, what techniques are designed to do is to actually stimulate hormonal activity through vibration tones, mantras, rhythmic breathing, mantras, or just rhythmic breathing is just the intonation you make with the chance, you're actually creating a breath pattern, which then can affect a certain gland in the body. So when you activate glands, you can turn on their function or turn off their function, right? So you have to be very careful what you're doing. And you want to improve your, you know, functions, you need to exercise the commands, right, and then you can create harmony to the client. So when you're opening up a chakra, what I believe you're doing is you're opening up the activity of that gland. So in their hearts, the heart and the thymus kind of connect as one. And really, it's all the preserving brands are in the Vedic philosophy. They had a tone to it Vishnu and Vishnu is the god of preservation, right? So Vishnu, or these are the preserving glands of the body, right, the heart, thymus glands, your immune system, but then we have Brahma which is the God of creation. And that sounds odd when you direct it down. It's your sex your route it stimulates the sexual grounds you can see feel the vibration now when you have insect to even make sounds.

Alex Ferrari 59:51
You were in my mind that's exactly this. Yeah, exactly.

Niraj Naik 59:54
So I got a question right so Brahma, the tones in the name and then she Shivam Shiva um the hum stimulates this the vibration, third eye, and and also the power nasal sinuses, which is how you produce lots of nitric oxide. So then we wake up the Third Eye activity through vibration. Shivam is the god of consciousness. So, the pineal gland is sleep and wake waking consciousness, we wake up to conscious reality, we go to sleep, your consciousness stops you going unconscious, right? So, the gods, the Vedic gods are encoded into the body. I actually believe that all religions are the map of the body. But we forgot about it. Like even the Christian ideas from the Bible, the Jewish, you could say that they're just a map of the body the 33 degrees, the 33 bones of the vertebrae, the spinal column, right, the claustrum. The Klaus, Santa Claus, Klaus is the the actual part of the brain that deals with our sense of self identity as we're, what we're talking about the former network is a big part of that region. And it's what we can activate and stimulate and expand. And then we become, it's like Santa goes down the chimney, which is a part of the brain to deliver the gifts of knowledge and truth and wisdom. And as these heightened inspiration states we can get to when we activate the classroom. So there's many different analogies and stories and there's even like, there's if you really look into it, the Jim Carrey actually is the one who actually talks about this one, a video on YouTube, Jim Carrey of all evil, right? He's quite awakened. And he explains how a lot of the Bible stories are actually just metaphors and analogies for the human body. And now the more I've gone into yoga, and now I met this amazing yogi, Dr. Moore, I've started to think that even the Vedic stories, were just stories for us to learn how the body actually function, how to control the body, how to take control of ourselves, because if you know, or if you ever study for a degree or anything, one of the best ways to remember stuff is through a story.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:21
Oh, yeah. Well, it's like the was the castle said that castle system in the head where you create a castle and you put little things but it's and then you create little story elements in that. Yeah, stories. Well, that's how the meat and potatoes of society are passing along is story.

Niraj Naik 1:02:35
Yes. So all these Vedic stories that sounds so fantastical, they may merely be easy, like crazy, amazing, brilliant ways of understanding physiology and anatomy and the control of the codes of consciousness and reality and, and somatic ability.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:56
Neurons, I can keep talking to you for hours, my friend, this has been such an enlightening conversation about breathwork is just the beginning. I think of my journey into into breath work without question, I am going to ask you a couple questions. I asked all my guests. What is your definition of living a good life?

Niraj Naik 1:03:12
Great question. So my definition of living a good life is, as I said, find your element. Find your truth, use you can use like this, I have Eric software that we've developed is coming out soon. It's not there yet. But there's many free ones already. To discover your truth, your element, I advise you use Allah because it's much deeper, or find a really good I Vedic doctor. And then you can then you can like create a lifestyle based on who you are. So you don't make mistakes when it comes to diet. Some people thrive on vegan diets are there any types don't mean it tells you what they are in the books. Some people thrive on paleo high fat diets, others don't, again, tells you on the in the according to elements, right? So that's the first place to start. Get your lifestyle in check. Find your element live by it, then you can start really going deep on what your real truth what your soul is trying to tell you, right? Should you go into creativity? Or should you stay in that job that makes you miserable every day? There's one quick answer you should get every single morning when you wake up. And that is are you enthusiastic everyday to wake up to get on with your day and do a hard day's work. If you're not, and you just want to be lazy, you want to sit around and you just want to stay in bed. That's not a healthy, happy human. Being human is driven and motivated to do stuff, take action and contribute and give back to the world. So if you're not feeling enthusiastic to do stuff, that's the first moment of chronic stress. And over time, that will build up and up and up and you know, you'll have a breakdown, right? And that's what happens all the time to be we don't listen to the truth. Right? So I assume yourself that question every single day. Are you jumping out of bed excited or Not the next one is are you waking up bed with enthusiasm to be kind and compassionate to other people? Or are you just faking it? Are you like surrounded by people you hate? Because you become your environment? Do you mean is there a way you can change the people you hang out with? If that's how you feel, you don't have to ask yourself all these questions. Because you will become the product of your environments. If you your environment sucks and makes you feel like shit. And you don't want to be kindly, compassionate, because you don't like the people you're around with. They don't share your values. They don't share your identity. And you're you're faking it, you're trying so hard to be nice, but you just can't be honest, the most number one thing is be honest. Be honest, yourself, you don't have to be nice all the time. It's better to be cruel than be to be nice sometimes, right? And that might mean getting up and leaving and going to somewhere else. It may even be getting up and getting out of a relationship that sucks. And finding some of the fuck makes you wake up every day excited, right? Because life is about enthusiasm. It really is. So number one hallmark of a good life is an enthusiastic, lively enthusiastic to do shit do sets for that gives back beyond yourself. So that when you come here on this planet, you've left some kind of a mark. It doesn't have to be huge legacy like you've, you're like a disciple, you know, Guru loads of disciples. It could be something very simple as you raise an amazing family and pass on some wisdom to your kids. Right? And had an amazing passionate ratio your wife or whatever, right? So that's, that's my definition.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:37
How do you define God?

Niraj Naik 1:06:39
How do I define God? All that is.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:43
And the ultimate purpose of life?

Niraj Naik 1:06:45
Is to find your element.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:49
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work that you're doing, sir?

Niraj Naik 1:06:54
Go to Somabreath.com Or check out my Instagram neurogenic official or the soma breath Instagram or our YouTube channel Soma breath, Facebook group, which is super buzz and if you're in a if you want to change your community, go to the soma breath community and just start interacting. Yes, the most high vibe community I've I've been so fortunate to be a part of creating it's just amazing. I love the people that are in this community. There's just all driven motivated, want to do good. So go there. And somabreath.com We have all of our courses we have you can sign up for a free masterclass, go deeper, and, and so on.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:33
And we're going to be putting that link for the free masterclass in the description in YouTube and in the show notes as well, my friend. And do you have any final messages for our audience?

Niraj Naik 1:07:42
Yeah, I'll leave you with this one little anecdote so it's not actually mine. I didn't make this up. I got it from my other guru who is virtual guru. I've never met him before but I've he's just incredible is one of the top doctors in India. Dr. BM Heck, they give him lots of love. If you want to learn about the medical system and what it really means to be truly fit and healthy from a real, the number one doctor in India, who's a total renegade like me, then check him out as well give him a shout out. He says there's one thing which I love. The first two letters, well the first letter of illness is Ay. Ay ay ay ay ay. And people who tend to just be all about themselves III, me, me, me, me, me, all they can talk about as themselves tend to get pretty sick after a while. And people get sick of them too.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:36
Toche say on that one.

Niraj Naik 1:08:44
But the first few letters of wellness is we. So when we start to think more like a family, community, and unity is that key word and Community Unit unity. And we sell our differences, and we forgive people who keep, you know, done wrong to us in the past. But don't forget, don't forget, because people are robots as well. And some people will just keep doing the same shit over and over again. So you got to be discerning. But still, if you can be refocused where you find that group of people, your community, your tribe, you don't have to assume that the whole world suddenly unite and overnight, that's not going to happen right now. Okay, what I'm talking about is just take care of your little 200 meters in front of you. Surround yourself with amazing people. Give back to your community, your local group, within saying you can reach so many more people. So you can have an even bigger community, which I've been doing, just take care of that and then the butterfly effect of doing positive work by giving out value. We'll have this butterfly effect that will just make an amazing change. And that's exactly what's happening. Right Why now? Because there's loads of people like me, I'm not just the only one who are building these amazing Hiva communities vision is one of them. There's others as well. Wim Hof is another one, super high vibe people who are going out. And all these little butterfly effects are just making the world so much more enlightened and better. And slowly and surely, there'll be a tsunami of positive vibes that's just going to flow all over the world and wash away all the darkness and bring in the new light of truth, enlightenment, and abundance and health wealth for everyone on this planet. And I want to be here to be able to see that and witnessing I think is happening right now versus the calm before. Why is the storm before the calm.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:45
Yes. Yes, my friend Niraj. Thank you so much for coming on the show. And this has been an amazing conversation. And I appreciate you and the amazing work you're doing to help people around the world, my friend so again, I appreciate you and thank you.

Niraj Naik 1:10:59
I'm gonna say Brother and respect, peace.