We Will ALL Be TESTED! TURNING POINT for HUMANITY Is Coming THIS YEAR! with Neale Donald Walsch

On today’s episode, we welcome the ever-thoughtful Neale Donald Walsch, the celebrated author of Conversations with God and a spiritual thinker whose insights have touched millions. In this profound conversation, Neale Donald Walsch reminds us of the importance of questioning assumptions, embracing divine love, and creating a better world through conscious action.

Neale opens with a reflection on humanity’s resistance to questioning its deeply ingrained beliefs. He compares theology to science, medicine, and technology—fields that thrive on challenging the status quo—but notes that religions often discourage this same spirit of inquiry. “Do you think it’s possible,” he asks, “that there’s something we don’t fully understand about God, life, and each other, the understanding of which would change everything?” This poignant question serves as a cornerstone for his philosophy: a relentless pursuit of understanding and growth.

In discussing his dialogues with God, Neale explains how these conversations did not resemble traditional channeling but felt more like a “voiceless voice.” It was an intimate and unmistakable flow of insights, much like hearing one’s own thoughts, but imbued with profound clarity. Through these dialogues, he explored questions ranging from relationships and parenting to the nature of divinity itself. One message stood out among the rest: “You’ve got me all wrong. I don’t punish people. I don’t command people. I don’t require or need people to behave in a certain way.”

The conversation naturally shifts to the current state of humanity. Neale acknowledges the chaos that seems to grip the world but challenges us to see this as an opportunity for evolution rather than a reason for despair. He urges individuals to “be the change you wish to see in the world,” emphasizing that personal transformation ripples outward to inspire collective change. He speaks with humor and wisdom about humanity’s shift in consciousness, hinting at the bumper sticker he’s seen: “Shift Happens.”

One particularly touching moment comes when Neale recounts his mother’s dying wish for him to dance on her grave. Far from being morbid, this act was a celebration of her life and her joyful reunion with the divine. “Nobody dies,” Neale explains. “All of life simply changes the form in which it is expressed.” This perspective transforms grief into gratitude, reminding us that our loved ones remain connected to us in spirit, accessible at the speed of thought.

In contemplating humanity’s future, Neale envisions a world where critical mass is reached—a point where enough people embrace higher consciousness to shift the course of our collective destiny. He dreams of a time when we abandon primitive, divisive behaviors in favor of unity, compassion, and collaboration. This transformation, he believes, begins with an understanding of our true identity as spiritual beings having a physical experience.

SPIRITUAL TAKEAWAYS

  1. Question Everything: Don’t hesitate to challenge old beliefs and assumptions. Growth begins with inquiry.
  2. Be the Change: Personal transformation is the most powerful catalyst for global change.
  3. Celebrate Life Beyond Death: Our loved ones remain with us in spirit, offering love and guidance when we reach out.

In this conversation, Neale Donald Walsch leaves us with a profound sense of hope and responsibility. His insights are an invitation to step beyond fear, embrace our divine essence, and co-create a world that reflects our highest potential.

Please enjoy my conversation with Neale Donald Walsch.

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Neale Donald Walsch 0:00
Think what we're seeing now is the fear that societal chaos now produces potential outcomes that could literally destroy this planet. So I would advise people to be the change you wish to see in the world, rather than sit back and be afraid of the direction in which we're going that's why it's important to hear that message. When God says, you got me all wrong. I don't punish people. I don't command people. I don't require or need people to behave in a certain way. Or the kingdom of God, if you please, is divided into three parts. The spiritual realm, the physical realm and the realm of pure being

Alex Ferrari 0:47
Obviously. I mean, you were talking to God for God sakes,

Neale Donald Walsch 0:50
Yeah, I was talking to God for God's sake. Now, there's an interesting statement.

Alex Ferrari 1:04
I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Neale Donald Walsch, how you doing, Neale?

Neale Donald Walsch 1:09
You know I'm doing great, and thank you for asking. I hope you are too. How can I serve you?

Alex Ferrari 1:13
Oh, I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you so much for coming back on the show. I've you know how much I adore you, and I adore your work, and I wanted to have you back on the show, because I think that since the last time we spoke, which has been it's been a while, a lot of things have been happening in the world. Lot of things have changed, and a lot of things haven't changed as well. But I wanted to get your perspective on things, but before we kind of dive into that, one question I wanted to ask you, and I don't think I asked you in our last conversation, is when you were writing Conversations with God. I have since, I have since, since our conversation, I've spoken to, I don't probably 100 channels at this point in the game. And when you were describing what you were doing, as far as hearing God's voice, is that a form of channeling? Did you hear the voices audibly in your mind. Was it in your own tone or own voice? In your mind? How did you actually hear the information come in?

Neale Donald Walsch 2:07
Well, you know, my friend, I have resisted, I mean, and staunchly resisted being describing myself as a channel just most people. The phrase is used by most people to to define a moment where someone's body is taken over by some other entity, correct, you know, and that other entity is talking through that person, and they call that channeling. I did not channel God, so, you know, it would not be an accurate description. I would never use the word channel? Okay? Any more than Matthew Mark Luger John said that they channeled Jesus. They simply took dictation.

Alex Ferrari 2:48
So then how did so, how did you hear it? Then, how did it come through?

Neale Donald Walsch 2:51
A voiceless voice. And I described it actually, in in the books, as a voiceless voice, like the sound of your own thoughts, you know what, when I'm thinking, when I have a thought, you know Heck, I gotta really Hurry up. I'm going to miss my point. My appointment. That thought doesn't come to me with a with a sound of a male voice or a female voice or an older man's voice. I don't hear my own thoughts like an old man saying, You better hurry up because you're going to be late for your appointment. No, right? So the sound of my thoughts does not have any particular verbal characteristic or vocal characteristic. So I describe the experience in my books. Actually, I describe it as a voiceless voice, much like the sound of one's own thoughts. That's how I experienced it. You know, I asked a question, and bingo, an answer came to me in a voiceless voice, but it was clear enough that I could take dictation and write down what I was hearing. And so I did. I did exactly that. I wrote down what I was hearing in my mind,

Alex Ferrari 3:58
Beautifully said. Now, how, how has your understanding of God changed since that first book, or has it changed since that first book?

Neale Donald Walsch 4:06
It hasn't changed since the first book, but it changed dramatically from what I from the way I experienced God before the first book, but since the first book, which changed my experience of God. Dramatically, nothing has really changed. And of course, after the first book, there were eight other books, so there are 3000 pages of dialog in all and honestly, those pages simply advanced the dialog and advanced my understanding of who and what God is, who and what we are and why we're here on the planet. But in my understanding, you know, and I could be wrong. I why. I'll make this very clear in every interview I do, I could be wrong about all of that. It's simply my own understanding, just as the pope declares his understanding. And he has a Catholic dogma to be his understanding. Unfortunately, most people think that the Pope is always correct, that he can't be wrong about anything he says when it comes to dogma, when he's speaking, as they call it from the chair. But in my case, I could be wrong about all of it, it's just simply my understanding of what I was told.

Alex Ferrari 5:22
It's, it's fascinating, because you brought the pope up, he recently spoke about hell being kind of a it's more of an idea than an actual physical place. And a lot of lot of the hardcore dogma, you know, followers were just like, how that sacrilege. You can't say that, that and but it was the pope saying it so, like, now you're caught between these two places. It's like, well, your spiritual leader is saying something that's kind of going against the initial dogma. And now how people are trying to deal with that, and you know, and process that.

Neale Donald Walsch 5:56
It's question. It's a question of, whose interpretation are we individually going to embrace? Do we embrace the interpretation of people who were speaking on this subject, you know, several 100, if not, a couple of 1000 years ago, or do we embrace the interpretation of people who are receiving and reviewing the information with today's awareness, at today's level of universal consciousness, you know. So you know, one of the things I think we have to do and have the bravery to do in theology, is something that we have not hesitated to do in science or medicine or technology, but in theology, one of the most important areas, if not the most important area, of human interaction, we have staunchly refused to put and what have we refused to do in theology question the prior assumption. Now, if scientists didn't question the prior assumption, we would never have made any advance in scientific discoveries. If medical researchers did not question the prior assumption on which they based their diagnoses, we would never have any advancements in medicine. And the same is true of technology. What I'm holding my hand in my hand right now would never have been possible. I mean, all the technology information in the universe part to be is available to me in this little device that I'm holding in my hand. But if somebody hadn't questioned the prior assumption about 30 years ago or 25 years ago, this wouldn't have been possible. But you know what, in the area of theology, we're not allowed to question the prior assumption what we were told, 600 years ago, 800 years ago, 2000 years ago, is not to be questioned. What Conversations with God did for me in my own personal experience, was question the prior assumption, and it asked an incredible question of me. It said, Neil, do you think it's possible that there's something we don't fully understand here, about God, about life and about each other, the understanding of which would change everything. But of course, my thought was, well, yes, I guess it's possible we don't understand all of it. So God said, Oh, good. So then you're open to perhaps a new understanding. So take these ideas down, and that began a 3000 page dialog. So which I asked, every question, Alex, every question that I could think of since I had, you know, in since I had this open line, so to speak. In my experience, I asked every question I could think of, questions about relationships, sexuality, parenting, health, diet, you know, psychology, questions about Right Livelihood. I asked every question I could imagine that I would like the answer to, and God gave me the answer to every single question.

Alex Ferrari 9:04
Why do you why do you think that we have such problems as as a species, especially in theology, not to question what came before us? Because you're right. If the if the caveman didn't question, you know, the the cavemen before them, they would have never gotten out of the cave and so on and so on and so on. Humanity has always been about evolution, about growing and building upon what they had learned from the past. But when it comes to theology, at least in the last 2000 years, let's say 2500 years or so, it's been pretty rock solid as far as the major religions are concerned, and even the newer religions that have popped up, you can't question them, yeah, especially those, right?

Neale Donald Walsch 9:46
Well, the reason why to answer your question, in my understanding, is that religions tell us that to question the prior assumption is. Apostasy, it's heresy, it's blasphemy. And so to commit heresy or apostasy is committing yourself to hell. And since most people are not willing to move in that direction, especially not to do so publicly, you uh, then we just leave it alone. We just, you know what, let's just leave it alone, let it, let it be what it is. And if we hold different viewpoints, internally, individually, most of us, not all of us, but most of us, keep it quiet. We just, you know, in fact, I was told as a child that it was impolite to discuss religion in public. You know, in a you know, if people come to your house, don't bring up religion, politics and religion were supposed to be avoided in all polite conversations, the two most important aspects of life on Earth, political beliefs and religious beliefs. We're not supposed to talk about it. Keep it to yourself, son, don't bring it up at the dinner table when you have guests in the house. So okay, so you know, we have a cultural bias against exploring topics that we have been told we may not explore.

Alex Ferrari 11:19
Do you, do you believe that the reason for this is that when it when a person is programmed with their belief system, or they've constructed their belief system of the universe, of life, of everything, it is their foundation. It is their core. And if anyone else comes in with a something that shakes the or rattles that they defend it vigorously, sometimes to the death, as there are wars right now. About religion going on in the world as we speak, is that why? You know, there's this kind of constant battling between ideologies and ideas, because if my idea isn't right, yours can't be right, but it should be like if my idea is right, well, what can I learn from your idea? And maybe we can mix our ideas together to see if we can come up with something better. That would be the ideal polyatic way of looking at things. But do you believe that that's the reason why people are so just so defensive when it comes to religious or spiritual beliefs?

Neale Donald Walsch 12:21
Well, I think that's the surface reason why, the core reason why is that we have no idea who we are and why we're here. If we understood that we were spiritual entities, that this body is just a tool, that this mind of mine is just a piece of equipment, but that who I really am is a spiritual being having a physical experience, if I and if I had a deep understanding of why, if I'm a spiritual being, I came to the realm of the physical. You know, what am I doing here? What's the point of all this? If I was clear about that, then it would never occur to me not to question, not to continue to explore, not to move further in the evolution of my spirit. So because I would see by simple observation that the purpose of all of life, including the universe itself, is evolution, to evolve to the next greater, next greater and grander and grander expression of its true identity. But once I understand that my purpose is to evolve, then I will ask questions. It's like a person going to college, going to the university and but refusing to ask questions of any professor in any class because they're afraid that, you know, they're not allowed to ask questions about what the guy is teaching and but how do you learn anything if you don't, if you don't ask, you know, how much is two and two? The guy in front of the room when I was in first grade said you're not supposed to ask that question. Don't ask how much two and two is. But listen to me when I tell you two and two is seven. Just take my word for it, because I'm the boss, right? So we're not supposed to question, even if we think, by, you know, our own experience. Wait a minute, I put two peanuts on the table, then I added two more peanuts on the table. I didn't get seven. I got four. I don't understand how can that be, but your own experience is not supposed to be part of it. We're supposed to listen to those who are in authority, because they are the boss of all things. It's kind of like my wife,

Alex Ferrari 14:35
You and me both, my friend You and me both,

Neale Donald Walsch 14:39
Just kidding, just having a little fun,

Alex Ferrari 14:41
Of course, of course

Neale Donald Walsch 14:42
My wife is, my wife is really very, very willing to announce that I am the one who has all the answers.

Alex Ferrari 14:50
And you say that with a straight face, sir, that's very that was very good. That's now Neale with the world, right? Now seems to be a little bit more chaotic than usual, I guess. And I know that's hard to say, because there's been a lot of chaotic times throughout history, but I think the feeling around the world is that there is more chaotic things going on. The older systems are starting to crumble around us, like religion and politics, and

Neale Donald Walsch 15:18
I think, I think there's more danger associated I'm not sure there's more chaotic things going on. I couldn't get much more chaotic than what was going on, you know, 2000 years ago in terms of societal chaos, sure, but, but I think what we're seeing now is the fear that societal chaos now produces potential outcomes that could literally destroy this planet, and, if not destroy the entire planet, surely destroy life as we know it. No question about that. So I think it's the level of threat that's created by the chaos that's producing the experience you're describing.

Alex Ferrari 15:58
So what do you say to people who are, who are going through difficult times right now, in this, this perceived danger that is being brought by all this, you know, the perceived danger that you just said, in regards to the chaos, what do you say to people who are going through a very difficult time and who are fearful, who are truly fearful about the future of any number of things that are going on in the world, from politics to food to the environment to humanity in general. What would advice would you give them?

Neale Donald Walsch 16:27
I would say to them, you can either live in fear and have fear dictate all of your personal choices and decisions and your responses to the world outside of you, or you can choose to create or be part of the process of collectively creating the reality that you wish to experience. Or to put it much more eloquently and much more succinctly, as Mr. Gandhi did, be the change you wish to see. So I would advise people to be the change you wish to see in the world, rather than sit back and be afraid of the direction in which we're going. That's the choice that I made. I made the simple I'm not painting myself as a big hero, because I'm one of many, many, many people who have made that choice, but I'm one of many who decide, You know what, I'm not going to sit here in in fear. I'm going to sit here in a place of being and doing what I think I could do and be to add to the possibility of shifting the course and the direction in which our society is moving.

Alex Ferrari 17:40
And it is. It is what the the great sages and yogis and masters of the past have said is that the only way that there is true change in the world is by changing yourself, because it is a ripple effect. It's a domino effect, if you will, around the world, because you affect every time every person you touch or come in contact with. You affect in one way, shape or form, either negatively or positively, is that a fair statement?

Neale Donald Walsch 18:06
No, you're totally wrong on everything you've just said. I can't imagine how you could have the nerve to such words in front of a live audience worldwide. But if somebody, if somebody wants to believe you know this stuff that you're spouting. Okay, let them believe it.

Alex Ferrari 18:26
So what would you say then?

Neale Donald Walsch 18:29
I would say exactly what you said, because I do believe everything you said was accurate and true. But who you know, I'm a crazy person, so

Alex Ferrari 18:36
Obviously, I mean, you were talking to God for God's sakes,

Neale Donald Walsch 18:39
Yes, I was talking to God, for God's sake. Now there's an interesting statement.

Alex Ferrari 18:44
Isn't that amazing? That's a great statement. So where, Neale, where do you see us going, as far as humanity, in the next five years, 10 years? Because there seems to be a shift happening. And I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. There seems to be a global shift in consciousness happening because, I mean, you've been in this space long enough to know how things were 30 years ago versus how they are now. As far as openness to these kind of public conversations, I remember when Conversations with God came out. It was heresy. You were considered a controversial author back then because it was just such a How can you talk to God? You must go to a church to talk to God, where nowadays it's a lot more acceptable to have a direct relationship with with the source, or God, or whatever you want to call him or her. But back then, it was a little different. So do you believe that there is this global shift in consciousness happening?

Neale Donald Walsch 19:45
Well, there's no question. Everywhere I go these days, I see bumper stickers on the back of every car. Shift Happens.

Alex Ferrari 19:50
That's great. That's a great bumper sticker.

Neale Donald Walsch 19:55
So it is. Maybe it wasn't, maybe it wasn't. Shift Happens. Maybe I miss I misread the bumper sticker. But in any event, I think that, I think that shift is occurring, and I think that there is a expansion of human consciousness, all kidding aside, and I think that we're reaching critical mass. We're not we haven't arrived there yet, but I think we're reaching critical mass in the number of people on the planet who are opening their minds to some new ideas, some new thoughts, some new choices, some new decisions about who we are and how we want to experience ourselves. I think in the next you asked about the next 10 or 15 years, maybe not the next 10 or 15 years, but I do think that honestly, in the next 25 or 30 years before my before my children are my age, and before my grandchildren are their parents age. Now I'm saying in the next 25 or 30 years, I think we're going to see the first domino will fall, and I think that we're going to see that critical mass playing its effect on all of the peoples of the world. We're all going to decide, you know, what, it's got to be a better way. Gotta be a better way to handle our ecology, our climate, our finances, on the on the planet, the economic, you know, experience of most people, to say nothing of our political differences, there's gotta be a better way to to simply live life and one by one, until the number reaches critical mass, I think we're going to be announcing what that better way is. Can't we find a way to disagree agreeably? Do we really have to kill 1000s of people every week because we have a border dispute. We disagree on where the border exists between our two countries, and because we disagree on where that borderline should be, we're going to kill 25,000 people a day. I mean, what kind of primitive species would even think of such a thing so? But I do think that more and more of us are now saying this is primitive, barbaric behavior. And there, there's, there's a huge desire now welling up in the human heart to change the way we are experiencing ourselves, and change what we're doing with and to ourselves, to our climate, to our ecology, to our political process. I mean, there's got to be a better one.

Alex Ferrari 22:43
Is that why we're going through these kind of rocky times? I mean, it's been a it's been a hell of a ride Since 2020, you know, it every year of this, of this decade has been challenging, to say the least. If it's not a pandemic, it's economic, if it's an economic, it's political, and so on and so forth. There's been a lot of stuff happening in the world. Why do you believe that we are going through this very rocky time? Is it to is it kind of humanity's soul blueprint, in a sense, like we all have to go through struggles in life, to teach us lessons? Are we doing it as a collective as well?

Neale Donald Walsch 23:19
I don't know if it's about teaching us lessons, but it is about giving us an opportunity. It's about raising the consciousness of the collective with regard to where we're heading and so and we're demonstrating where we are heading by our behaviors. So I do think, I do think that we we experience crises, one crisis after a number of years. You've mentioned political, economic, etc, as a means of waking ourselves up.

Alex Ferrari 23:54
What message do you believe that God has for humanity right now, during this pivotal time in our existence?

Neale Donald Walsch 24:01
Not one single message. But I think the messages that I receive in In summary, are number one God's most important message to the world. You've got me all wrong. Now, why is that message important? Because human beings have been encouraged by religions. And there are 4000 religions now on the face of the earth being practiced. I didn't make that number up. You can Google that 4243 religions currently being practiced on the earth today, not since time began, but in this moment. And most of those religions teach of a deity, the Supreme Being, who loves us for sure, but who also judges, condemns and punishes those who do not do what is demanded or commanded, if you please, of them. Mm, hmm. Now, what's dangerous about that? Why God says, hey, you know, you've got me all wrong. What's dangerous about that is, if we imitate that behavior, which, of course, we do, we've been instructed by our religions to act divinely, to act, you know, in a godly manner, saying we think it's godly. We think it's a Godly manner to judge, condemn and punishes, punish those who do not do what we command. So if it's okay with God, it's okay with us. So if God sends us to hell, but we don't do what God commands, then we can, we can create hell for those who don't do what we command, because we're simply behaving the way God behaves with us. That's why it's important to hear that message when God says, you got me all wrong. I don't punish people, I don't command people, I don't require or need people to behave in a certain way. You know I gotta. I might have mentioned to you in a previous program, Alex, but let me help your audience to know exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. When I was nine years old, nine years old, I was told in catechism class in my elementary school, because I went to a Catholic elementary school and and the priest came in once a week, on Wednesdays, usually, and bought catechism. He was a lovely man. He was a very kind, gentle man. He wasn't a mean spirited person. But in one of his lessons, I raised my hand you're describing. You know the difference between a mortal sin and venial sin, a major offense and a minor offense. Can you give me an example of what is a mortal sin? A mortal sin is a sin. It's Unforgiven about God, if you die with that sin on your soul, you go straight to hell for the rest of eternity. So he said, certainly, my son, and he explained to me that it was a mortal sin punishable by everlasting suffering and death if you miss Mass on Sunday without a good excuse. Fair enough, if you're caring for a sick parent or if you have to work to make a living for your family, fair enough, but if you have an old friend that you haven't seen in 12 years suddenly shows up at your door, visiting on a surprise visit, and says, Hey, let's go play around a golf you say, I haven't seen you in 12 years? Wow, right. Get your clubs out. Let's go. It happens to be 11 o'clock on a Sunday morning, and you miss mass that particular Sunday, the first mass you missed in 14 years. And as you get hit by a car on Monday and die before you got a chance to go to confession and confess your sin and be given absolution by a priest, God sends you to hell for eternity for missing mass. And this is the this is the deity we are told to believe in. By the way, I checked the Catholic authorities just a few years ago, two or three years ago, to make sure I wasn't exaggerating. Because I thought, did I really miss here what I was told when I was nine? But no, the spokesperson for the bishop's office in my diocese confirmed for me, yes, it's a mortal sin for missing mass on Sunday or any holy day of obligation so and by the way, the Catholic Church is not the only church that teaches that we go to hell for offenses. You know if, if you're a Muslim and you happen to be a female, you must wear a hijab, and if you don't wear a hijab or a hijab, however they pronounce it, if you don't wear that covers your face and hopefully your entire body, and only have a slit in front of your eyes, so at least you can see where you're walking. But if you don't wear that particular garment, you are said to be offending Allah, and repeated offending of Allah sends you to Hades to hell again. So you know, religions tell us what we should eat, what we should wear, where we should go, what we should do, and if we don't do these things and follow these commandments. And by the way, the instruction to wear certain clothing for females in the Muslim faith is not a suggestion. It's listed in the faith as a command. It's a commandment. So this is the God we believe in. We believe in a God who punishes you severely if you wear the wrong clothing or miss the wrong ceremony, don't do what you're supposed to be doing. You know what else I was told when I was a child? Was supposed to eat meat on Fridays? Yeah, of course, eating meat on Fridays was considered a sin, and if you're a member of the Jewish faith, you're not supposed to eat pork, not on Friday, not on Tuesday, not on Wednesday, not on any day of the week, because it's a violation to eat pork. I mean, I mean, really, honestly. Absolutely, folks, I'm not trying to be ridiculing. I'm just asking an honest question. Folks, honestly, this is the God we believe in, because we received what we thought were clear instructions two or three or 4000 years ago, when our minds were less sophisticated and our awareness was less complete than it is today, but Well, we're not supposed to question the prior assumption. We were told this 1000s of years ago, and we're not supposed to question what we were told.

Alex Ferrari 30:32
When I went to Catholic school as well. I I was was questioning even at a young age. I was like, well, all these rules, if you don't do this, you do that. But what about all the Buddhists in the world? What about all the people who don't follow any religion? Are they just, Sorry, bad luck, you know, it just didn't make any sense.

Neale Donald Walsch 30:51
That's what we're told. That's what we're told, right? We are told exactly that. Sorry, bad luck. You're going to hell.

Alex Ferrari 30:57
So if you were born a tribesman in the middle of Africa somewhere, you know or an aborigine somewhere in Australia, and you've never heard of Jesus, Christ or God or anything, you're lost. If you've never heard of Allah, you're you're done. Or if you've never heard of any of the major religions,

Neale Donald Walsch 31:11
Worse yet, if you have heard of these things, they'll make a different choice.

Alex Ferrari 31:15
Oh, yeah, that's even worse.

Neale Donald Walsch 31:16
No Christians will tell you that. If you know about Christianity, but you still choose to be a Muslim. Oh my, you are really in trouble. It's even worse if we know about this particular commandments that have been given to us, and do not pay attention to them, and now we're really in trouble if you're a Hindu, I mean Christians will tell you that all Hindus, all Jews, all Muslims, all members of the Baha'i Faith, all non Christians of any sort are, in fact, not going to be saved. You haven't been saved, so I guess, I guess you're going to go to hell.

Alex Ferrari 31:59
But isn't it funny, though, that Jesus was a Jew

Neale Donald Walsch 32:02
Before he converted.

Alex Ferrari 32:05
Yes, he converted to what himself? He converted to Christianity.

Neale Donald Walsch 32:10
Yeah, I don't think that he ever intended to start a religion, but he did not intend to. He did intend to leave an example, to set an example.

Alex Ferrari 32:20
Yes, absolutely. As as I love to quote Yogananda, Paramahansa. Yogananda, Christ was crucified on one day, but his teachings have been crucified for 2000 years. And I thought that's such a great comment. So when you you've mentioned one thing that you've mentioned in another. I saw somewhere you spoke about mourning and not mourning the ones you love. When I saw that, I wanted to ask you about it. What did you mean by you shouldn't mourn loved ones? I saw that somewhere. Is that something you could talk about?

Neale Donald Walsch 32:57
You mean loved ones who have passed on to another?

Alex Ferrari 33:00
Correct! Yes, not mourning loved ones who have passed on.

Neale Donald Walsch 33:03
Well, I was told in conversations, oh God, that nobody dies. In fact, nothing dies. All of life simply changes the form in which it is expressed. So what we call death in the human experience, I was told in CWG is simply change of address. You simply move from the realm of the physical to the realm of the spiritual. And that is not something to be mourned. That's something to be celebrated. We can mourn our own loss if we choose the loss of that physical connection, but we would not mourn their loss or feel bad for them, and we don't even have to experience that we've completely lost our connection with them, because the souls of what we call the dearly departing, fly to us at the speed of our thought to moment beyond and think about someone who has passed on their soul instantaneously connects with us and comes to us and can interact with us, as Stephen Simon will tell you about his beloved wife, Linda, ask Gary Zukov will tell you about his beloved wife as well. And many, many, many other people, not just two, we could name hundreds and 1000s of people who have testified that they've had that exact experience. So you know, my mother gave me a wonderful lesson. Let me just complete my thought about this. The the story I would share with you is, when my mom passed on, she had, you know, the doctors told us, you know, she's not going to be here much longer. I mean, her death is imminent, but they allow us in the family to go see her in the eye, in the. Test of care unit the ICU, we each were given five minutes to spend with her, and the doctors told us candidly, this could be your last five minutes. So say what you really feel you need to say. So I went in. It was my turn. We you know, we have four children in our family, and my dad, so, you know, it was my turn to go in. And I thought, you know, what do you say when, when you're seeing the person for the last time? And you know, it probably going to be the last time? And I wept, and my mom said to me, sweetheart, don't die. Don't cry. I'm sorry. She said, Don't cry, Sweetheart, don't cry. She said, I want you to make me a promise. Would you make me a promise on my deathbed? I said, anything? Anything. She said, dance on my rave. I never forgot it. I never forgot those words. And of course, two months later, after I got over my initial grieving period, I flew to Wisconsin, where she was married, with the rest of the family that grew up there, I got on a plane and literally flew to Wisconsin, halfway across the country, so I could keep my promise, got a motel room near the cemetery, went to the cemetery, found her grave, looked both ways to make sure no one would be watching me, thinking I was being sacrilegious. Stood on top of her grave and did a little soft shoe, a little a little celebration, because when my mom said, dance on my grave, she said, Sweetheart, I know where I'm going, going back home with God, celebrate with me without a good life, and I'm going to have a good afterlife dance on my grave. Now, one day I'm going to write a book honoring my mother, and the book was going to be titled dance on my grave. Let's be I told my wife what I want on my gravestone, because I suspect there may be, you know, one or two people anyway, you might visit my gravestone. My children might come by to pay their respects every so often, so on the gravestone, my wife understands that the Fallen words are to be chiseled out. Now, that was fun.

Alex Ferrari 37:31
That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Well, let me ask you, if we're going back home, what is the purpose of this? Why? Go through all of this hardship and ups and downs and joys and sorrows and all of this insanity and love and beauty and horror and this whole gambit of emotions and experiences? Why? Why go through it if heaven is or the other side or home with God, is, is perfect? Why go through all of this?

Neale Donald Walsch 38:05
Well, it's not perfect in the sense that we think of heaven. My understanding, again, this is, I'm not making this stuff up. This is what I was told in my conversations with God, but my understanding from my conversations with God is that what we call heaven really is only 1/3 of what heaven really is. Heaven, or the kingdom of God, if you please, is divided into three parts, the spiritual realm, the physical realm and the realm of pure being that's called, if you please, the holy triangle. So when we're in the physical realm, we're still in heaven. Physical Realm is, you know, and and that's why God that's why Jesus said to pray to God that they would be on Earth as they are in heaven, because that's the whole point of being on earth. Now, why do we leave the spiritual realm and come into the physical realm? Because in the spiritual realm, we can experience bliss, joy and happiness, but we can't demonstrate who we really are, and the highest bliss, the grandest joy, is in demonstrating and experiencing who we really are, but we can't experience that in heaven, in what we call heaven, in the realm of the spiritual, if you please. We can't experience that for a very interesting reason, because there's nothing else you can't even experience how wonderful chocolate ice cream is. If you've only been given chocolate ice cream all in your life, and never tasted strawberry and never tasted vanilla and never tasted peach ice cream or any other kind of ice cream, if you fold it so in the absence of what is not, what is is not. I don't know what it's like to be six feet. Tall. If everything in my life is six feet tall, if the trees are six feet tall, the grass is six feet tall, every plant is six feet tall, every person is exactly six feet tall. If everything in the world was precisely six feet tall, being six foot tall would not be experienceable by me, but I came to the realm of the physical, because in the physical there are things that are not six feet tall, which would allow me to experience myself as being six feet tall. There are also things that are not what we would call divine, which allows me to experience my own divinity, therefore, male and femaleity created he them, or, as the French would say, in simple terms, vive la difference.

Alex Ferrari 40:50
Yes. Neale, how do we rediscover who we really are? How do we discover, or again rediscover.

Neale Donald Walsch 40:59
Life we don't discover. Sorry for the interruption, but life is not a process of discovery. Who's told in conversations with God, life, for the Neo life is not a process of discovery. Life is a process of creation. Life is not a school. They didn't send you down there to learn anything. I sent you down there to remember what you already know, to choose and to create who you really are, to demonstrate and experience it, so that you may know yourself, not just conceptually, but experientially. And I said, I said, Okay, God, this sounds very in a very high falutin Can you just give me a simple example? And she said, Sure, I'll give you a very, really easy example. Do you think you're generous? I said, Yeah, I think I'm a generous person. She said, Are you generous with your time? I say, Yeah, I give my time to people who really need it? Are you generous with the gifts that I've given you? I said, Yeah, I'm generous with my talents. She said, Are you generous with your money? I see I think I'm generous with my money. I offer people money if they really need it. And if I walk down the street and find a homeless person, I might pull a five or a 10 or a 20 out of my pocket and put it in his little basket there. She said, But if you couldn't experience yourself being generous, you'd only have a concept about yourself. You would know yourself conceptually as generous, but you would yearn for a way to express it, to experience it. And you know what I learned that? I learned that from the lady who stood outside the hotel that I visited a lot because we had meetings there in their meeting room, and she'd be outside in front of the hotel every day with a basket. And one day, I walked by her for the 14th time, and I said, Why don't you just get a job? Why are you out here every single day holding your basket so people can put money in your basket? And she said, If I wasn't here holding my basket out, how could you experience who you really are? She actually said that to me, wow. And I looked at her, and I said, Brother, if you hit the nail on the head, and I pulled out my bracket just saying$100 bill.

It says, Hey, sweetheart, it was a piece of impeccable wisdom. Please accept this as my things. So when we encountered the opposite, this is all described in conversations with God as the law of opposites. When we discovered the opposite of who we really are, we discovered who we really are, and we are thankful we don't condemn that which we are not, or as once person said a few 1000 years ago, Judge not and neither condemn, but be a light unto the world that you might know who you really are, that all those slides you touch might know who they really are as well. And when a man slaps you on the right cheek, turn it off. And when a man steals your coat, give him your shirt as well, and when a man demands that you walk one mile with him, go with him, Twain. I could, of course, be wrong about all of this. I don't think so.

Alex Ferrari 44:50
Now Neale I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Neale Donald Walsch 44:56
Experiencing yourself as pure love. Of treating every other being as if they were a demonstration of pure love, even when they don't seem to be reflecting it, and knowing that God is pure love and lives in and through you, if you doubt that there is a God, it's because you've doubt that you are an individuation of divinity. But no one who seeks to demonstrate aspects of divinity ever doubts the existence of God. So my definition of a life that's fulfilled is a life that demonstrates an experiencing and experiences pure love.

Alex Ferrari 45:43
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Neale, what advice would you give him?

Neale Donald Walsch 45:48
Don't do anything you did from the time you were born until the time you were 49

Alex Ferrari 45:56
Fair enough,

Neale Donald Walsch 45:57
But from the time you were 53 onward, good going.

Alex Ferrari 46:05
This is a question I ask all my guests, but I really want to hear your answer. How do you define God?

Neale Donald Walsch 46:10
There is nothing that God is not. God is everything that ever was is now and ever will be. I define God as the all in all. But in a book called The God solution, I have given more of a human definition of God, two word definition, pure love. I believe that God is pure love. And by the way, anyone who wants to read that book, The God solution, which is a solution to all the world's problems, as I understood it from the Divine anyone who chooses to read that book, just send me an email at Neil, at Neil Donald walsh.com, and I'll send you back a copy of the digital file of the god solution at no cost. Just just read it for free. I think you'll find find a good reading there. Book is called the God solution. It's yours by asking for it.

Alex Ferrari 47:14
Thank you so much for that. My next question is, what is love?

Neale Donald Walsch 47:17
Love is that which God is that which we are. Love is the giving of everything that's good and joyful and free and open and wise and caring and compassionate and forgiving without needing anything in return. And I mean zero needing nothing in return. We can't even love the person on the pillow next to us in that way, unless we can. And I've spent 17 years saying to my current wife, I've had a number of wives, but I've finally figured out what's going on in a relationship. And I spent the past 17 years with my current wife, which is the longest marriage I've ever had, and I say to her every day in my life, I require nothing up here, not loyalty, certainly not obedience, not agreement, not pleasantness. I require nothing of you because I don't love you because of what I can get from you. I love you because of who you are. If you gave me nothing, I would still not stop loving you, because love is not a quid pro quo. Love is not tit for tat. Love is not a bargain. It's not a trade deal. It's an expression of your true identity.

Alex Ferrari 48:49
And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Neale Donald Walsch 48:51
To demonstrate, to announce, declare, and to fully experience your true identity as an individuation of divinity.

Alex Ferrari 48:59
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world Neale?

Neale Donald Walsch 49:03
CWG, which stands, of course, for Conversations with God. cwgconnect.com where there's a platform labeled ask Neale, I visited three times a day. People routinely ask me these kinds of questions, and I answer them three times a day.

Alex Ferrari 49:22
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Neale Donald Walsch 49:24
Your life is not about you, your life is about everyone whose life you touch and the way in which you touch it. But when you understand that your life is not about you, then you experience that your life is truly about you in the universe's sense, for an elegant reason, there's nobody else in the room. There's nobody else in the room. We are all one.

Alex Ferrari 49:55
Neale, it is such a pleasure and honor speaking to you again, my friend. Thank you so much for not only being on the show, but for all the work you're doing to help awaken this planet. Thank you again, my friend.

Neale Donald Walsch 50:05
What a kind thing to say. Thank you for those kind words. And if you wait another year and a half, should you have me on the program again, I'll never speak to you.

Alex Ferrari 50:17
A pleasure, as always, my friend. Thank you again. Have a have a blessed day.

Neale Donald Walsch 50:20
Thank you. You as well.

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