NEW ANCIENT DISCOVERY FOUND in Turkey EXPLAINING MANKIND’S True Timeline on EARTH! with Matt Lacroix

Matt Lacroix 0:00
Today we have a very poor organization of important relics and important things that matter to us, we don't have a global effort to organize and keep them all somewhere where people can access them. Now, there are other entrances in the Sphinx, there's one on the rump, on the back, there's one on the head, but the one under the pop was the one that was shown to have the best evidence of being a tunnel that led somewhere. And it's all talked about how there's like an ancient library supposed to be underneath it, and all these things, but it's appalling to think that they would find those subterranean chambers and identify them, and then not only not explore them, but then build on top and block them off. And in this period, they found three distinct civilizations that have been there, three, okay, three civilizations not one or two. And they were all separated by different periods of time. And what they identified as stratum one was the oldest one it's below a massive flood layer, just like it's described in the tablets.

Alex Ferrari 0:58
I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Matt Lacroix. How you doing Matt?

Matt Lacroix 1:11
How you doing Alex, I love being in the studio. This is beautiful, what you've done with it.

Alex Ferrari 1:15
Thank you so much man, I appreciate that. Appreciate. Thank you for coming, trekking all the way down here to next level soul studios. I really, really appreciate it. And looking forward to this conversation. Our last conversation did pretty well.

Matt Lacroix 1:26
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:26
And and you have a story about what happened to you, after that show, what happened?

Matt Lacroix 1:30
I do, I guess it'd be really good to share that is that your show was pretty pivotal in my life. And then we just beyond even reaching other individuals and helping you know, in, show them knowledge, give them knowledge and provide the information. But in my life, I was looking for a pathway to do this full time as my career not having to work another job and make making ancient civilizations lost civilizations, my core of all my time, and your show was how a very, very important business partner and investor and very, very good friend, Martin young, ended up finding me through your show, and then transformed my life really, subsequently, after that, to allow for this huge documentary to really come to fruition, as well as scouting trips and expeditions. And now it's turned into a massive, massive team, and group of people involved in going to these incredible sites, especially in eastern Turkey, and really illuminating this last chapter of our history. So I have to say, you know, without you, Alex, I don't think I would be there. So I truly appreciate it.

Alex Ferrari 2:36
Ohh man, thank you so much. That's, that's humbling to hear, man. It's, I'm just a humble podcaster doing, doing the good Lord work. But I appreciate it, man. Thanks for sharing that story. So you just got back from Turkey. And you discovered a few things, you showed me a few images of what you saw. So some cool, very cool stuff that no one's really been talking about, or seeing. What did you find over there?

Matt Lacroix 2:36
So we visited, I guess we'll say three primary sites, those some other subsequent smaller places we went to but three primary sites that we went to around Lake Vaughn and eastern Turkey, an area that used to be ancient Armenia, back before the 1930s. It was an ancient land, you know, King hike in this whole lineage that potentially was mysterious, that goes back to lineages that people you know, we're relating to like ancient, almost pre Christian Mesopotamian connections. So we went there, and we were exploring the sites that have really become, I guess, the core of my research and what I'm doing, which isn't really just Turkey, because the symbols and the stonework, and a lot of what we see, we then find a lot of other places in the world, such as in Peru, only on teh Tomba for instance, as well as like Tiwanaku and Puma Punku, in Bolivia, and then even places like Saudi Arabia, as well as like angor, Tom and Cambodia, were finding these symbols in these ancient structures that seemed to have connections around the world. So we visited the three sites we visited the primary was of course I honest Cholesky, which I honest legacy is the name of my company, after that unbelievably incredible temple that once the world finally understands what that temple is and how old it is, and the symbols I think it'll be one of the most holy temples on Earth in the future. You know, one of these things where we have a lot of people taking pilgrimage pilgrimages to like Jerusalem and Mecca. I think, I think that this will be on that list.

Alex Ferrari 4:34
What why would why would you say a word holy is interesting to me what's holy about this?

Matt Lacroix 4:38
Holy was a very specific word I use for that because when we find our depictions of the first what I believe is the first chalice and the first cross ever, but not across that's just something scratched the wall. beautifully, beautifully laser cut almost crosses in this Endocyte at I honest that is identical to To the same cross we see in the Knights Templar called the Red Cross that we also find in the Vatican, the pope with the non Christian cross is the same thing. We seem to find the origins back to this point, which really brings up a lot of questions on whether or not they knew about this site somehow far, far back in time at least knew about this cross. But I, the more that I've studied ancient Mesopotamian history in history around the world of this, and using individuals, religious scholars, like Paul Wallace, who are big, who's a big part of this expedition and this documentary, we're really tracing that question of whether or not the Genesis origins of the the real cross, the origins of it that we see around the world came from my honest, and that is a huge, huge implications on history, and even religion itself and teaching us about, well, what is the origins of religion and divinity and spirituality and consciousness and humanity? And are we finding this legacy that had passed around the world that became the core of nearly every ancient culture around the world, especially the truly ancient ones, the ones that are older than were traditionally shown, and that was one site. And of course, that's the kind of the centerpiece of it. But there's also shadows Teppei, which I showed you, those incredible when I'm calling ascension, Bassel pillars, that were still sticking out of the great sticking out of the ground, not even excavated, that was incredible to see that because I knew there was at least one or two of them there. I had seen on some Google Images, I've been, you know, searching around on those. And so I literally like almost, I would say, I kind of ran to that spot to try to see if they Oh, my God, are they really still there? Not one of the things that was lost on me was just how big they are. Yeah, what's the weight on those things? Well, they were well over a tonne, which made me feel better, knowing that that's why no one's taken them yet. Keeping them and keeping them there, you'd have to have some, some kind of mechanical equipment to move them

Alex Ferrari 6:58
And then transport them because they're not they're not next to the highway.

Matt Lacroix 7:02
No, it's It's up on up on a mountain. You can you can drive and you have to walk up to, and that was the other the second site. And then the third one that I showed you that it's just absolutely mind blowing, especially if you consider the state of archaeological sites in the world would be kept classy, you know, a place where you have to literally hike like two miles, rugged territory in the mountains up into this site that has been less than 5% excavated less than 5%. Everyone's hollering about Gobekli Tepe, a and being only certain amount excavated. I think that's far more excavated than this is, especially when you look at images of it. And you see these giant basketball pillars and blocks just kind of sticking out of the ground. Like it looks like if you were it to me, it's like some kind of a sci fi novel or something like you went to a planet somewhere. And you found the ruins of an ancient civilization had like, never been touched. Like sitting there. Like that's what this felt like. It's a place that is like, seemingly lost in time forgotten by the world whisky. And when was it found it was excavated in the late 1950s, early 1960s. And then really never touched ever again. No one talks about it, nobody talks about it the famous KEF box relief, known as a Gija Vas relief also, but it came from KEF temple. That is something that I've been bringing a lot of tension online with, which is being housed in Ankara. But I always like to tell this story, Alex is that when they first excavated this giant Bassel box, it's a box relief. It's like three feet by three, three feet by four feet. It's huge laser cut symbols, with the importance of what is shown on that, which of course we can talk about, but irregardless of what's shown on that, and it's incredible. And it's highly sophisticated and agnostic. But when that was found, not related to the archaeologists doing it, but it was ultimately decided by somebody to, instead of putting it in a museum or putting it somewhere special, it stayed in an outdoor garden for 20 years, just sitting there obscure, very few people even knowing about it. And of course, some at some point, it got a little bit more attention ended up in the anchorage museum right now, the Anatolian History Museum in Ankara, Turkey, which is one of the sites that one of the places that we will be going on the on the full documentary to go and see that, but the point I'm making is that that incredible artifact and these sites were partially excavated, and then just seemingly abandoned now is that because of a lack of funding, a lack of interest, or I would even give a much bigger factor than that. Even beyond that, I would say, it's because of a mis identification of who the original builders were, which then downplay the significance of what these sites are. Okay, so if the archaeologists the conventional archaeologists right now that have excavated them, and there's been some excellent ones. I'm not putting them down for this. There's other levels of info spheres of influence, we'll call them that determine a lot of where antiquities go, how they're identified things like that. Those archaeologists that have identified and previously because of other archaeologists that have laid down the foundation, like in Egypt, about who built what, when it was done. Well, when they came along, and they found calf and Shabbos Teppei they found them almost at the same time, I honest was later, they found him both at the same time in the late 1950s, early 1960s. And they they were convinced that they were a part of the euro to civilization, which existed around 20 100 to 3000 years ago, for some contracts or people the or RTN or to civilization was a very warlike culture very similar to like the Assyrians of Iraq a culture that had some interest in knowledge but was seemed like a lot of their of their culture was focused on being an empire and being at war at times and expanding and doing different things that weren't really related to more spiritual,

Alex Ferrari 11:07
More materialistic, more materialistic.

Matt Lacroix 11:09
So when archaeologists have studied the order to civilization, they got a pretty good understanding of what they're like. Right they they have they were an Iron Age culture they built a lot of iron type of helmets and spears and and what they built is very clear was a lot of warlike things and they took the symbols they're the symbols of the gods that were from the previous culture and they turn them into war gods and I'm telling you all this as a frame of reference here for why how something like this can happen so you have a culture that's a war culture they think they're all WAR GODS they then they then they believe that the symbols are related to symbols that they are to would use like spears and Lance's and things in war right. So when they came across the calf, calf Cholesky box relief they see all these icons on there and they think well kinda even said that like this is the sort of how I'm paraphrasing in the archaeological reports like well, it really looks like a sphere from like the tree of life in like a branch or a bud from the tree of life but our previous archaeologists that is the great you know, the great hero of archaeology for Turkey and the Anatolia history, Burney is his name be Burney. Burney identified these as being Lance's and spears so I guess they're Lance's and spears imagine if you have spiritual teachings that are at the core of everything right we you know as well as I do the pine cone and the Tree of Life symbol we see all throughout ancient Sumerian around the world it's this core and yet we have it here and it's ignored because the earth who are supposed to be the ones that built it, and wow, those look kinda like Lance's and spears a little bit so they're passing the knowledge of war no could not be further from that in my opinion in fact that's so that's the reason why on these things I think went completely unnoticed is that it was like all these are war symbols. These are not they're not important. This is the Euro two culture of 3000 years ago. We don't know why they built out a bass Helton and a site on the bottom that was highly sophisticated and precise. And then all of a sudden they built with brick and they broke open with mud brick and crude stone. Why would a culture switch why would they go from being highly advanced sophisticated and building the most beautiful stone and foundations and then built very primitive work on top of it? It doesn't make any sense

Alex Ferrari 12:15
But that's kind of what happens throughout throughout antiquity is it happens a lot in MSL America a lot of those you know those pyramids were built upon other pyramids about other pyramids even in Egypt you know, they you know, the start off with like the Great Pyramid and correct me if I'm wrong, which is as perfect as could be but then they got worse as time went on. Yeah, the construction amount it you showed me an image of these beautiful Lee designed giant megalithic foundations. And then literally the mud brick, yeah, on top of it. And it's kind of like you've cut into the side of a mountain. And they just happen to be there. Yeah, so you can see almost a as a geologically a tree like layers of a tree like Lea like a geological thing like oh, this is when this happened. You can literally see the foundation being very sophisticated. I mean, extremely. And then you have basic like mudbrick players. What is that? What culture was that?

Matt Lacroix 14:37
That's the Euro two culture. So there are two culture is the ones who we have to remember well, what kind of culture were they they were an Iron Age culture. They only had specific tools and means available to them like if you are going to create an incredible temple and like those megalithic walls, you would have to have supreme and craftsmen, okay of the best of your culture and you ever spent an enormous amount of time and resources to make that theory or to culture didn't have that they didn't have those means, again, their focus was mostly on Empire, they were not like that. So it makes sense when we look at well, they were incorporating these existing structures, because they knew they were important. And they somewhat new, they're the legacy of what was there. And they were building right on top of them. And of course, we see that around the world. But if they could have built with andesite, and Bassel, they would have and they clearly didn't, and they couldn't. And that's because of the limitations of what they had available to them. Now, I think the lens of this that might help people is let's look at the Kelley unicycles. You're very familiar with the Kali Yuga cycles. And it talks about how there's these cycles of you could call them levels of consciousness insists civilizations 24,000 years Yeah, yeah, it's based on this, this cycle. That's which mimics like the great year. And it's this ebb and flow of rising up to reach a supreme place a golden age, and then being knocked back down, right to to eventually as primitive as an Iron Age, and then a Bronze Age and then a silver and then your, you know, your backup to a goal that golden age. And it's this cycle of, of rising and falling. And it looks like this plays into that extremely well, because we find catastrophic damage on the sites catastrophic. In fact, we're looking at whether or not KEF Cholesky might have some of the greatest amount of vitrification damage of any specification in the world. vitrification is a type of melting of the stone. And it's extremely rare, right? It has to do with number one, those stones have to have been there so long, that they were able to be influenced by these events. Because these events don't happen very often. These events are for instance, we haven't had, in my opinion, we haven't had any of these events in at least 12,000 years. It's like the Younger Dryas Exactly. And that's when I believe that these events occurred was the Younger Dryas somewhere around 12,000 years ago, we'll just call it a figure like that, because it started around 14 and a half 1000 years ago, and went through 11,600 years ago. So it's this totality of different events that was significant enough to completely destroy the civilization, wiped them out. And then whatever survivors might have came up came about, this seems like there was a rebuilding attempt at some of them, and then they were gone. And then 1000s of years went by 1000s of years, and then the era to civilization emerges out of this region, and then finds them all. And then it's like, wow, and then it builds right on top of them, and they subsequently call them coalesces. Okay, do you know what the word Cholesky means? Cholesky means fortress. So an ancient temple of spiritual enlightenment, the the order to civilization turns him into castles, and fortresses. And so then archaeologists come through like, Oh, they're castles. So the whole mindset on all these locations has been so skewed, that that's why they haven't been looked at as significant. Because they're at all they're just the earth to culture. And they're not really like, it's not really something to look at, because, you know, they wouldn't have been the ones to, to leave the greatest symbols and, and megalithic building we've ever seen behind. And so let's, let's kind of ignore them. And that's why they've remained somewhat, I would say, almost under the radar for over 50 years, which is incredibly wild to think about,

Alex Ferrari 18:42
Would you agree that wiping out as part of what we do, as part of what we do in in the unicycles, as what has been done to us? That when Atlantis was went down? Yeah. Which was about the beginning of the end of the Younger Dryas. Yeah, at the end of the of that time period. As part of the plan, none of the information can survive. No has to go hidden. Because if that information survives, it knocks out what we're supposed to be doing. Yes. So it goes all the way down who's supposed to be lost? Right? And from my understanding, the dark ages is at the bottom. That's the worst, right? That's 600 years without evil ages, where we were just animals. It's absolute savages. Yeah. And that's the rise of religion. You need a religion to control the savage fighting against each other. Yeah, like if you do that, you're gonna go to hell on these. Yeah, he's very, you know, controlling ideas and dogmas, because you need it.

Matt Lacroix 19:32
And then they turned into some of the worst of the of the

Alex Ferrari 19:35
That's a whole other conversation. That's a whole other podcast, without question, but then then it's starting to come up and you can just literally see how we've evolved. Yes. And the speed that we're evolving with, from 1776. To today, when we when we when we became independent, yeah, as a country in the United States, to where we are now. That's what 200 something years. It's not either. It's 300 years what That's nothing. It's nothing. It's nothing I know. And look, just in our lifetime. What has changed? Just Oh my god. I mean, just in our lifetime. I mean, I was around before remote controls.

Matt Lacroix 20:12
I remember. Just like VHS is on TV

Alex Ferrari 20:17
I'm much older than us. Yeah, yeah. I was I was around when there was all like there was it was just, I was

Matt Lacroix 20:22
Internet was barely even doing anything like when I was started when I was young.

Alex Ferrari 20:26
When I was young. The internet was created in only in the military. Yeah. And it was, you know, the computers filled this room. Yeah, no, that was a computer. And it was like eight Meg's a whole room eight Meg's was this entire room. So from there, to this,

Matt Lacroix 20:44
I know,

Alex Ferrari 20:45
To have every bit of information that you want in the world at your fingertips acceleration. Oh, yeah. And then also have an AI now, right, who answers questions you have conversations with? That's basically in its infancy. Still. It's an acceleration. It's so it's super fast. Yeah. So in five years where we're going to be right, it's so there, if you just look at it from a historical lens lens. There's hundreds 1000s of years. Everything was here. All the knowledge was around. Yeah, it just hadn't been discovered yet. Radio waves microwaves weren't ready for it yet. We weren't ready on a conscious Yes, on a spirit. That's that's where we go back to the EU because our consciousness as humanity has not gotten to a level where we can handle that. Because I always use this example. Imagine if Alexander the Great had a machine guns or rocket launcher, we wouldn't or god forbid or Nuke, this planet would have been destroyed multiple times already. Because those that humanity was not prepared to handle that kind of knowledge.

Matt Lacroix 21:39
I'd like to think that he was a better man than that, though. But,

Alex Ferrari 21:42
But you know what I mean. Yeah, but you know what I mean, anything that's common with machine guns, you know, any of them, any of them, any of them back in the day, that if they would have those kinds of masks, they already controlled the world, they already killed 40 million. Can you imagine they all just had machine guns? It would have been insane, they wouldn't have been ready for that. Yeah, we were barely ready for the technology we had back then I know without destroying ourselves. So all of that is it's just fascinating to watch that. Now, I wanted to ask you. You've mentioned this in other shows. And I want you to kind of reiterate this out of all of humanity's ancient knowledge, how much do you think that's out there right now underground in the ocean? Things that have been discovered how much of this ancient knowledge scrolls, all that stuff has been discovered? In your opinion? And how much do we have actual access to? And whatever has been discovered? Where is it? If we don't have it?

Matt Lacroix 22:35
I guess that falls into three camps. The first camp is how much of it was destroyed, right over time, which is, which is very easy to do. I mean, if anything, it's far easier to lose things and preserve them based on the elements and disasters and even even nomadic groups and other groups that move along and find things like oh, I can use that to build into my house, I'll go take some of these out and a lot found something here, pillaging things, destroying things. Things like the Roman Empire going through in the Crusades and and destroying anything that was pre Christian, burning them. I mean, look at for instance, the Keystone doors going into the into the Mayan Aztec, basically destroying 99%, of like everything burning, and then whatever remained really bringing back and keeping like, give me an example, Paul Lawson, I talked about this, the pope of who is like one of the only things that survived in the ancient Maya. And that was only because one of the missionaries there, cared about the people story and actually wrote down what they told him, the pope of who wasn't even based on an original document. It was like they had to try to tell him to write it down because the Spanish had already pretty much destroyed everything else. Now, what about the things that didn't get destroyed? I think that there's a significant amount of ancient teachings, maybe cuneiform tablets, Mayan teachings, Egyptian, various different things from around the world that, of course, are being housed in a place like the Vatican archive, and in a lot of other private collections, private collections that remain somewhat obscure, where we don't have access to let me give you an example. When they found the royal Ashurbanipal library in 1849, in ancient Nineveh, Iraq, one of the largest most significant ancient libraries in the world. It's actually because was discussed as being potentially the greatest library ever, ever amassed in history. HG Wells actually called it the most precious source of historical information in the world was was that library, when they found that they found somewhere between 30 and 40,000 cuneiform tablets hold Okay, now to this day, less than 500 have ever been translated. Whereas the rest of them there's nobody anybody cares already. checks and balances here. Anybody wondering where va 249? When we know we're VT va 243? When? What about VA? 249? I'm just making that up. But like 249 is real but 248 I mean, it's real. But I'm saying is like, there's no one checking this stuff. There's no one putting together a catalog in an org organizing everything to keeping Oh, well, all these tablets are all in the same place in an organized. We have a display in the British Museum called the Ashurbanipal library that contains some of the primary. But what about the rest of them? Does anybody care about what all these most important ancient things that ever been said, where I where they are who's translated them? That's what I mean is that we have today we have a very poor organization of important relics and important things that matter to us. We don't have a global effort to organize and keep them all somewhere where people can access them.

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Matt Lacroix 26:32
The world should have a database where they want to go in and look up any ancient thing doesn't matter what it is. They want to go this whole Mayan catalog doesn't ask Tech has an old that catalog, right? There's a there's a Mesopotamian Sumerian catalog where they can go and look, we don't have that. What do you do if you want to find something? Well, you heard of it in a book, or someone wrote about and then you go online, you're like, I want to see the translation for the myth of a Darpa and you go on and you find a bunch of different things. You don't know where to look. You don't know who's translated what some of them are, are Miss translated. It's it's it's a hodgepodge of everything. Yeah, it's almost like it's an it's an impossible feat. Or it's made virtually impossible at that time for people to go find these things. And I'll give you an example that Alex and I'm because I'm not just going to say that stable without backing it up. I before the expedition to Turkey, one of the parts of the documentary that we filmed was we went to Penn Museum in the pen archives, because what's there is a very, very important archaeological paper from 1931. When they had excavated and found an ancient Sumerian city culture repack, and this whole paper documented how there was a there was like a, like a five foot eluvial flood layer right above the civilization that matched up exactly how it's talked about how there was a great flood, the the eluvial layer was sterile, there was nothing in it. Right below it, this original stratum, one layer where the Sumerians were was most most most of the things that were there were like scattered and broken or gone, like something had swept everything away. So it's starting to match up with all those things. And so we went to Penn and went through the archives and filmed it as part of the documentaries that are the first part of it before we do all the other parts. And in the archive, you got a chance to look at all the records and everything. And the second part of it, though, was in the museum. And we go into Museum and some people might not know but Penn Museum has one of the most important ancient Mesopotamian collections in the world, here in the United States. And it just so happens that with someone like me who has literally studied cuneiform tablets, like obsessively for over 15 years, I was seeing tablets and things there that like I know what that is. I knew the shape of it. I've added to a million images, I've inserted it. What was really startling to me, was very, very important tablets like Eridu Genesis. Okay, I saw it there on the display with a generic name of the flood story. Well, Alex, there's like six different sets of tablets that talk about the flood story. It didn't even have a name. And then next to it was one of the versions of the Epic of Gilgamesh and these other ones, there was a Sumerian King List version two, none of them had any names. None of them did. They weren't even labeled. And I got into a bit of a confrontation conversation with the lead archaeologist there, and he's a good man and I just I don't want to put him down too much. But I was asking, Well, why doesn't air to Genesis when the most important tablets ever written? Have you been have a label? And furthermore, I was with archeologists on that and some of those archaeologists especially that specialize in ancient Mesopotamian history, didn't even know what it was either. So I happen to recognize the tablet way it looks because I've used it so many times in my shows and different things. But if if an archaeologist isn't isn't going to even recognize what it is, how is anyone from the public ever going to know what's there?

Alex Ferrari 30:14
But they're not the thing is, and I've had archaeologists on the show, and I've had people that dance between the line of where you go and where they are. And the thing is, is that there's really to be honest, this the older generation, no interest.

Matt Lacroix 30:29
No, there isn't. But that still doesn't. That still doesn't justify things not being labeled or important. Understand, it's not an outcry, right? So there's no like a bunch of people, Hey, where's the energy ever do Genesis tablet? No, because nobody knows, right? Obviously. But I find it very interesting that something is important is that it was the original version. By the way. A lot of these tablets have versions of written like in Babylonian and Assyrian after in their copies of the original. This is the original heir to Genesis tablet, Alex sitting there without a name or a label so that nobody would ever know what it is ever. It's like it could just disappear. And no one will know. And nobody would know. And here I am, like, I'm looking. I'm like, Oh my God, there's the Urdu Genesis tablet, and I'm making all this noise and everything. But that's what we're running up against is a world in which it seems as though these important things have been like these temples in eastern Turkey I just mentioned or others, they've just gone under the radar. They haven't gotten much attention. People don't seem to care. And they just they almost disappeared. Until individuals like myself were like, wait a minute, what have we missed here? This is huge, right?

Alex Ferrari 31:43
I think and I think the audience or excuse me, the the public in general, their interest in ancient history. ancient mysteries is mass. It's getting huge if our if our numbers of our last interview and, and other interviews that we've done, and I've done on the show, are any indication people are fascinated? Yes, they are fascinated, and they're being more educated now than ever before. Ever, ever before. Yeah, I wanted to go back to the Vatican for a second because I had a chance to go to the Vatican. And I went to the museum. And as I'm walking around, yeah, once the Vatican Museum is fascinating, I walked around and I just was like, almost disgusted by the the embarrassment of riches. There's so much I've never seen I've never seen any museum have so many artifacts, like ancient stuff. I owe everything. Every Egypt I mean, from every culture in the world other than their own. It was just like this this thievery of, but it was so much of I mean, it was it's obviously been stolen. I mean village, obviously. I mean, the Egyptians didn't go here you go here like No, no, that didn't know it was all taken in the British Museums and other one, but the museums around the world. That's that point. Anybody all of them have it. But this one was just so much stuff so much less like that, that they had like ancient heads, like busts, just one of those would be the main event of any museum around the world. Yeah, they had 1000 of them on like, it was just so much. It was absolutely amazing. So I was thinking like, if they have this is what they're showing us. Right? What are they? I cannot imagine what they have hidden. He tried to go on the archive. They wouldn't they wouldn't that I didn't even try. He didn't try to like run in like, well, there wasn't there wasn't another there's no, there's no sign that says here's to the archives. No, it was just the museum, the Vatican you

Matt Lacroix 33:29
Hey look and then you run it. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 33:32
Like the Holy Grail. But I can only imagined that they've been they've been doing this since basically the Roman times. Yes. Because I've always said this. It's almost embarrassing to me. How I just realized that when I was in Rome, that it was the Roman Catholic Church. I had never really thought about Rome. Rome never died. I understand that they just Rome. Empire died when right into the Catholic Church. Constantine and all that stuff.

Matt Lacroix 33:58
Begin the Byzantine Empire they changed it around

Alex Ferrari 34:00
Everything and then they all became the Holy Roman all became Christian because it's crazy rebel started causing crap.

Matt Lacroix 34:06
Constantine was a bad dude.

Alex Ferrari 34:07
Yes, it will. Yes. But but but they changed it to Christianity because they said, this Jesus thing is not going away. We got we got to jump on the bandwagon.

Matt Lacroix 34:15
Totally. They mean, they were pagans before and they switched over to becoming Christians.

Alex Ferrari 34:19
Right. And then the 400 years from there, they're not they're killing people. If you're not Christian, exactly like a few 100 years earlier. They're like

Matt Lacroix 34:25
They were killing people. If they weren't Christian.

Alex Ferrari 34:26
You see what I mean? I mean, I mean, the Roman Empire. Remember I was in the I was in the Coliseum. That's one of the through the Christians to the Tigers and to the to the lions. I mean, that's what it was. So it was fascinating. And the biggest thing I said when I was sitting I'm standing right in the in the middle of the Vatican outside looking at St. Peter's and everything. I'm like, this has nothing to do with Jesus. No, has nothing to do with anything that that man ever said. No, this is all about power. This is all about control. This is it just meant. I mean, the opulence

Matt Lacroix 34:58
Wasn't what religion was supposed to become

Alex Ferrari 35:01
No because any of any of these great teachers who are on the wall right now behind us, none of them are draped in gold and telling them hey, God told me I need a Lear jet. Please pay me. You know, that's what's happening.

Matt Lacroix 35:14
But the most important thing, Alex is that they were all teaching that you have path is within us. Yeah, we our own savior. We don't wait for an external safety. And that's the most destructive thing in my opinion that the church ever did was have this Meek group have to wait for a savior and not rise up and become their own savior.

Alex Ferrari 35:33
Correct! Yeah. And that's still I mean, that's why people like, Oh, you're speaking blasphemy? You aren't god? I'm like, of course we are. We are all exactly. How can you not say that we are pieces of God, or source or whatever you want fractals of source are I mean, fractals of source, of course, were made by Him. It's just that we're part of this everything here the rock this wall is Mike. It's all part of it. You know, we are, we are a co creator of this because somebody invented this. Someone invented this technology, put it together, it's a co creation, I came up with this idea of the studio, and was and it was brought to life by other people as well as reach millions around the world. And now we get to reach millions around the world with it. So it it is, it is fascinating to me how people are not aware that they have the power within themselves. I know. It's something that was taught by the ancients, especially in the east, specially in the East.

Matt Lacroix 36:30
But that's one of the biggest things that limits us as a society, I think correct is how certain religious groups and different individuals forced that kind of paradigm on that we can just become our own our own savior and just and rise up and fight and have unlimited potential correct and just have this almost like, well, go work there and do this. And, you know, shut your mouth when you when you're not speaking, you're speaking blasphemy and be quiet and do what you're told you're gonna ask questions, the exam is going away. Now, finally, yeah, we're finally in a place where we're stripping this chains that have held us back for so long. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 37:07
And it is something that the new generation coming up, they just don't buy it. They're not buying into right, isn't it? It's fantastic to watch. Because I see my kids I see. Even the younger Gen, you know, older generations that are already in their 20s. Now they just look into it. We're not going to go work for a company for 40 years, and get a gold watch. And if they want to fire us anytime, like, we're not going to religion, this makes no sense to us. Like what like old paradigms collapse, it's all of its cracking, it's all going away in 100 years, you know, the establishments? Will we already see the cracks? I mean, the Roman Catholic Church when I was growing up was as powerful as you can. You could not even look at it the wrong way. It was no, no, no wrong. Yeah. Could be done. That's changed, you know, and other organizations around the world, you know, government. I mean, I think Nixon was the kind of first time that everyone was like, wait a minute, our government already is not finally realized. Like, it's not. There's what there's more happening here. You know, or JFK, when JFK guys asked him, he's like, What would just, you know, there was a time that that was a wake up call for, for Americans specifically in the world, and many other in their countries as well. It's just a fascinating idea what, where we're going the hidden hand, right? There's always that hidden hand. And you know, what the funny thing is, is there's so many conspiracy theories out there. You know, there's so many and and they and they would talk for years. But the funny thing is that a lot of the conspiracy theories are starting to kind of make sense. I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are gonna eventually make sense. But you could just look at, you know, what happened in the metoo movement in Hollywood, where I come from, you know, we heard stories about what happened with Harvey like, you would hear stories about that. And you're like, that can't be real, or that or there'd be like, Oh, this or that. And I could tell you sit down tell you stories of stuff. I heard back in the day, that I was like, Oh, well, they're they Oh, I called everybody was gonna get knocked out. But they were they were myths. They were myths. They were hearsay, they were conspiracy theories. Oh, that's impossible. You know, there can't be that going on. And then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, geez, right. What's his name? Oh, God, the One who just hung himself in jail.

Matt Lacroix 39:12
Epstein Epstein. Yeah. Like literally on islands. He didn't have any secret on anyone right?

Alex Ferrari 39:17
Exactly. That was completely on the up and up. But, but he had a whole island of you know, of that kind of bad stuff. Bad stuff happening, which was completely a conspiracy theory of like, oh, that's what that's what the Hollywood elite or powerful men go do. And all the presidents are visiting and everything. It's fascinating. No, so I'm using this as an example of what was once a conspiracy, has now been starting to be proven. Yeah. In many, many, many ways. Yeah. And ancient civilizations are no, no different. I mean, the Younger Dryas was a complete myth, folklore, a really no one really gave it credit. Credibility. Yeah, until Graham came around and Randall came around and

Matt Lacroix 39:57
Actually that's a perfect segue to bring up Yeah, is that we should we should maybe talk about how that started. How did that paradigm get shifted? And how did it begin?

Alex Ferrari 40:07
Wasn't it Eric? Eric Vaughn?

Matt Lacroix 40:09
No, it will. Well, if we want to go back to how the I think how the conversation reached more of an academic level, I think that that's the best place to start where people got involved, because it's an announcement that ties very much into what I'm doing right now, too, is that the first person or one of the most pronounced, I'll say, predominant person, people that started this whole conversation was a man named John Anthony West, John Anthony West was, he was way ahead of his time. And he in Egypt had noticed that the Sphinx enclosure in the valley temple don't match what we're told with things like wind erosion, and from the same time period, and there was a lot of, there was a couple other researchers before him that had really put forth some information saying, Well, I don't think all of Egypt was built at the same time. There's a whole nother chapter here that's mixed in with with a later group. And there's evidence now based on erosion of the sphinx enclosure that may prove that and so a man was brought in that man is a great geologist named Robert Schoch. Okay. And Robert Schoch, was somewhat of the stuff skeptic coming in to that he was open minded, but he he's he had, he's admits that he thought maybe the Egypt, Egypt, Egypt, pelvis had done a good job in a data to correctly. And so he's brought in to go look at the Sphinx enclosure, to see whether or not it was wind or water erosion. And I guess I can just announce that we have Robert Schoch, full time as part of this documentary and the expeditions, going back to Turkey and other places around the world. So it's truly an honor to have such an incredible man and hero be a part of the work I'm doing is a PhD in geology, as well as he's got a BS in anthropology and others incredible credentials. So Robert gets brought in from John, who's a good friend of his, brings him in, shows him the Sphinx enclosure. And Robert says he was there for 30 seconds to one minute. Okay, I'm gonna say that again. 30 seconds he stood there, to possibly up to one minute he says, before he knew it was not wind erosion. That's all it took Majan something collapsing a paradigm takes takes 30 seconds to look at something be like, that's not right. That's what we're talking about right now, is that Robert Schoch, stood in front of the sphinx enclosure. And he said, that is not wind erosion. It's clearly water erosion, but not water erosion from just a quick little event, water erosion from very extensive rainfall, very heavy rainfall during a certain time period, no, potentially hundreds of years. Now, the problem with that is that Egypt is a desert. And there hasn't been any rainfall in Egypt for a long, long, long time. Now, how long? Well, we look in climatic records. And we look at when the Sahara wasn't a desert. And when it was a little bit more fertile, more of like a grassland, maybe a lot of maybe some trees based on crops, proximity to the Nile River and things like that. But it wasn't like it is now it was a much more lush place. So we look back. And sure enough, the last time there's was enough precipitation, to be able to create that erosion was during the Younger Dryas. So 11,600 years ago, 12,000 years ago, you know, in that time period period, and so that it opened up a whole can of worms, and he was subsequently viciously attacked by mainstream academia viciously attacked, because here comes a very, very well respected academic, who still teaches at Boston University. And because remember, not everybody is an academic, like, give me an example, like Graham Hancock or John Anthony West, they didn't have a degree in archeologists, investigative reporters. So they're investigating something, but they are not going to be fully heard. Because they're not. They're not academic that's fully credited. So that was why Robert, all of a sudden, he takes the brunt of all this. He gets viciously attacked for years and years and years. But from that, and it had a huge impact on certain segments of society looking at this, but archaeologists didn't budge. They didn't budge at all.

Alex Ferrari 44:17
Well, they don't want to rewrite the textbook doesn't

Matt Lacroix 44:20
The whole group and Egypt is protecting that antiquities there. They didn't budge at all. Egypt started 5000 years ago or so four to 5000 years ago. And that's it right? There's nothing else before that.

Alex Ferrari 44:33
The Great Pyramids a tomb. Sure.

Matt Lacroix 44:34
Exactly. Is it their tombs cuckoos names in there even though we know that's a complete forgery from the 1800s There was never the name Khufu that cartouche of Khufu in the Great Pyramid, that was a complete forgery. So it really brings up the question though, about how why something like that would be so fiercely protected. Why? Who cares? Why can't we just rewrite the story? Why is it why a why is it that We're in a world now where the science, the scientific method has failed us. The scientific method of Okay, let's take our background as an academic who studied this and knows what they're talking about geologists that knows what he's talking about. Why can't we just look at things and use science to objectively figure out what they are? Why do we have to have an agenda? Why do we have to build off of whatever somebody else did? Why you Why are we so afraid to to step on the toes of others before us and speak about what something is, but that's what it is, is called the ivory tower of archaeology. Okay. It's a tower of archaeology that's been built off of the legacy of those before them. And whether or not there's a conspiracy woven into that is another whole conversation. But either way, that discovery by Robert Schoch and and Jonathan West, and others, and then Graham Hancock up brought in and then he got kicked out of Egypt. And now he's back again, because he made it up was, oh,

Alex Ferrari 46:00
Yeah, I saw that. I thought I saw that post.

Matt Lacroix 46:02
But the point is that we people like me and others that are studying this, it seems so obvious to us, of course, like of course, there was a pre Dynastic Period of Egypt, they built the Sphinx then then, and they built the Great Pyramids, and they built the valley temple and they built all of these things, Tanis, and the Assyrian and Serapeum. All these were built by this ancient lost civilization in Egypt, these pre dynastic culture, and then they were wiped out. boof, right, just like the era civilization I talked about with the dawn, the Ludwig von regen with ionosonde, cough, they're wiped out. And then another culture comes along 1000s years later, they're kind of somewhat primitive, like, their mindsets aren't the same. A write a bunch of graffiti on everything in the form of hieroglyphics, right. They Riccar of the sphinx head, right? That's very, very well established by a lot of scientists, including, including Robert Schoch. And it's very easy to tell based on just the size and how the head doesn't look at all with the dimensions, it's offset. It's strange, it's tiny compared to the body. Whereas you know, and I agree with this, Robert, and others believe there was a lion, because he was facing Leo. And it was like a guardian lion. And we all we know that there are subterranean chambers under the Sphinx, one of the most important that was found using ground penetrating radar and different types of technology that looks under the ground, they found a very, very interesting cavity in a tunnel that comes under the front paw of the Sphinx. Okay. Now, there are other entrances in the Sphinx, there's one on the rump, on the back, there's one on the head, but the one under the PA was the one that was shown to have the best evidence of being a tunnel that led somewhere. And it's all talked about how there's like an ancient library, supposedly underneath it, and all these things, but it's appalling to think that they would find those subterranean chambers and identify them, and then not only not explore them, but then build on top and block them off. So what happened after they ended up building an enclosure around the Sphinx there was like a wooden enclosure, and they blocked it off. And they never went down. Really? Oh, yeah. And the whole thing was like, sheesh, that never happened. Yeah. And I remember so many times, they found the subterranean chambers, not on one occasion, on multiple occasions in the last 1520 years, they found these subterranean chambers, not only under the Great Sphinx, but under the Great Pyramid. And they're not being explored. And they have not been explored, or they've been explored. And we haven't seen what's in them. But that is an example of what we're talking about is there's clearly a management of Antiquities, we're going to call it a management of Antiquities, for what we're allowed to be shown. And then what we're sure why No. Well, that brings up into the question of, why is the doctrine of archaeology so protected? What would happen if we disrupted that doctrine? I think it's has bigger implications than a lot of people give it credit for. Yeah, why not just allow the truth to come out? Well, imagine if society and civilization as we know it was was understood or on the with the masses told, so that everyone's like, Oh, my God, finally, I accept it. Because a lot of people in society won't accept something unless it's announced officially. They're like, Oh, that's kind of fun. Maybe. But then they, you know,

Alex Ferrari 49:33
There's some, it's some things. So I was until the alien comes and lands in the White House lawn and comes out and goes, Hey, guys, they won't do any of it, then they'll be like, That's not to be effects. Right.

Matt Lacroix 49:44
So I think what we're talking about here is a paradigm that exists a very carefully created paradigm that goes back actually, to Constantine in the Holy Roman Empire. It was that was a more of a biblical date of 6000 years. The earth is only 6000 years old. Olden civilizations are merged or merged or whatever it is, those are usually biblical dates that are associated with the 6000 year period. But right now, there's not supposed to be any civilizations that are not known that were that were civilized and actual civilization that built things that was beyond 6000 years ago. It's supposed to it doesn't exist. It's all nomadic hunter gatherers before,

Alex Ferrari 50:25
Just like Gobekli Tepe was done by no matter how they were like,

Matt Lacroix 50:28
Oh, this is cool. Let's build an astronomical temple here and use all these resources and build giant mega T T stones that have constellations.

Alex Ferrari 50:36
And there's a ton that hasn't that's most of it hasn't been found yet.

Matt Lacroix 50:41
But that's the point is that we have a doctrine that is fiercely guarded, fiercely guarded, anything has to fit into that, because if it's not let's talk about what would happen.

Alex Ferrari 50:51
The whole thing comes crashing down. But that's in science. That's a medicine ever that's in tech. It's everything,

Matt Lacroix 50:57
Even in consciousness and understanding our Divinity of who we are, oh, yeah, not coming from a place of being primitive, but coming from a place of almost divinity, and then falling down to a place that's very primitive, and forgetting everything, losing all of what we knew and having to start over again, and thinking that we're at the pinnacle of our entire civilization. And I would argue we're not no God. I would say that this these previous civilizations that built things like Saskia, Oman, and oil at Tambo and Cusco, and Q and aku, and Puma Punku, and the great pyramids, and the Sphinx and Baalbek Lebanon, and I honest and KEF, Colossi, and there's many, many others. They're part of a last chapter that we don't even consider,

Alex Ferrari 51:42
But also that would throw that would throw evolution completely out of whack.

Matt Lacroix 51:46
It would it would bring up questions of our entire path and how we got here, and about what led us to this and why we seem to have come from a more pure place spiritually. And that fell to a place that is very disconnected.

Alex Ferrari 51:59
So let me ask you this. Which brings us perfectly into the next segue, which is the concept of the Annunaki, which is faster. I love the internet. I just think it's a fascinating story. storyteller, so I'd love the stars. During in the Sumerian texts, you mentioned that already, and we've never spoken about it on the show. The King's tablet,

Matt Lacroix 52:22
The Sumerian King List complete. And there's others as well, like the Iraq Iraq listed kings and sages.

Alex Ferrari 52:27
Right. So can you explain to people what that is and how old in the stories or in the list that they're talking about? You know, how far back

Matt Lacroix 52:38
Yeah, and I use, I don't even use just those I use a combination of, if many other texts as well, but it gets back to, and I guess I can go back to that 1931 excavation issue room, because it really lays the story. They dug down to a depth of 17 to 20 feet down. And in this period, they found three distinct civilizations that have been there, three, okay, three civilizations not one or two. And they were all separated by different periods of time. And what they identified as stratum one was the oldest one and it's below a massive flood layer just like it's described in the tablets. Well, in the Sumerian King List, and the Yurok list, the kings and sages, even the brochures, King lists that came out of Babylon. They describe a time long ago, I mean, so long ago that not even during the time of Gilgamesh that's what's so interesting is that we think of think of Gilgamesh, right in ancient ancient rock or he's just this king that is seeking out immortality and we have the tablets from him, but in something like for instance, the Epic of Gilgamesh, he goes to seek immortality from this legendary Sumerian priests king known as saya sudra, who is from a whole different time he finds them like this is journey in the underworld, we can get to the unknown and the second and the Anunnaki. But he finds him and he's like, he's like, I want to seek this. I want to find the secrets of immortality. And I love this because it's I sudras says, oh, Gilgamesh, I'm from a time long before the memory of even your people ever existed. He says that in the applica. Yes, that you know, we think Gilgamesh in that time is so old, and he's like, Well, he's faithful. I'm from a city of chuckled shrew pack. He says that that's a time so long before he says that it was a time when the gods walked amongst men, that the on the Anunnaki were, it was they were in our realm there was like part of our temples in our where we lived was like very different than it is now. And he states that true pack as from where he was from, was not from the same time as Gilgamesh he says he talks about how it was from a time so long before that, it would be like if we were from Gilgamesh his time it was it's like us trying to consider the ancient past for him. That how far back it is. Okay. And so there's these different sagas that have happened with the rising falling of different civilizations. Well, that's exactly what the Sumerian King List says. And exactly the Ehrlich list of kings and sages says, it says that there's the original five cities that were created. Five Cities created an ancient Sumer along the banks of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers, that was the beginning of everything. It states that the A Noona, which was by the way, the Anunnaki is original meanings. Name is Sumur was the Nuna. Now the term on anokhi was in Akkadian, or a Syrian term that came after they essentially mean the same thing. But they state that there was divine, divine places picked, chosen, where they lay divine, they built with brick back then they didn't use megalithic stone for some reason. And they talked about laying bricks in pure places, and then creating humanity in this garden to be and this is where there's been a lot of stuff online, because I did post recently talking about origins of humanity, what we're purposes here, why we were created, and like all that stuff. And then you get a lot of avenues like the sekirei ascension Avenue, which gets into like a slave gold mining thing, which I don't agree at all. And I don't think that any of those translations are accurate, because what I find is that they talk about a story that has to do with doing the workload of the gods, but I think that that's understood in a way that's like slavery, but it's not. Okay. So again, getting back to the Sumerian King List, and the Yurok list of things to say, just to stay on there for now, is they talked about these original five cities, starting with Eridu. And ending in shuru. Pack. True pack was the last one. And that during those times, during those times, the lineages of people and it's not even just in the Sumerian King List era, classic kings, the sages and Babylon, but you see in things like Genesis, and in in ancient Hebrew texts that talk of like Enoch to talk about them, and the Noah mythos of living for hundreds and hundreds of years, like 500 years, or 700 years, maybe even 1000 years. And it talks about these people that were around, that are very different than we are now that we're living, again, enormous amounts of time, seem to have some differences, possibly even slightly genetically differences than than us and that it describes how this event, this complete disaster came through, and reset everything. And there's a tablet called the death of Bill Gates that most people probably never heard of. And Bill games is another name for Gilgamesh. And in that it discusses how Gilgamesh is seeking immortality, like I mentioned, and that he was never able to obtain it. And he's told by the gods, that Ziaja soldier this and I'll tell you whose eyes sutra is in a second, that he was the last man ever given the mortality ever again. So it's really curious given given by who, by the Nuna, the Anunnaki. Okay, now, but it's very curious how there's also lineages shown in these kings lists that are very long for how long they ruled and how long they potentially lived. And it coincides with this time period where it's shown that we weren't given we were no longer given and mortality. And now all of a sudden, the ages gets knocked down to like, they ruled for like 50 years, or something.

Alex Ferrari 58:28
And before they were willing, for how long

Matt Lacroix 58:29
Hundreds

Alex Ferrari 58:31
The one king,

Matt Lacroix 58:33
Yeah, hundreds, if not 1000. And again, we could get into chars till the cows come home, or whether or not the age of chars, 3000 years, or it's supposed to whatever that is it the reason why I don't think that's as important in chars how they measure time and Sumur is because the same time periods of living for hundreds of years is echoed by many other things. So it's not like supporting evidence. Yeah, it's not like a mis understanding of what a shofar is, because then you find like, well, well, in Genesis shows like Enoch lived for like 400 500 years, or whatever it is, right? So we're, we were seeing that across the board of something that happened where humanity became very mortal, and then was capped at like 120 20 years or something. And then something really significant change there. But that's what we're talking about there. Not only just ages that were different of civilizations, but very different people that were seemed to be connected deeply to the gods to the Anunnaki in a way that again, was different than we are now again, remember I mentioned the Epic of Gilgamesh, he says, shrew pack was from a time so far before you the gods gods were once in in it in shrew pack like in the city. You can imagine Wait a minute or so the Nuna Anunnaki, which seemed to be somewhat like us that were designed in their image and they're designed in the image of source and we're just all part of the same thing and that is They've been like these angels and demons, possibly of our reality. These are dangers of destinies, and we talk about cycle masters. I think they are the cycle masters.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:09
So but on those tablets, yeah, to my understanding, we're talking about going back not by 10 to 20,000 years, we're talking about 100 200,000 years, well, then

Matt Lacroix 1:00:19
That's where it gets into curiosities about whether a shower was actually 3600 years ago. Now. I am, I have temporarily put that aside for a minute. I do accept the possibility that we're talking about enormous time periods. However, when I'm looking at climatic data and the different rises and falls of different things, and when things occurred on the earth, I am under the impression that that story is more like 40 to 50,000 years old. Now, only because I'm trying to find other evidence to corroborate it, right. But it doesn't really matter. It's ancient.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:58
So it's 50,000 to 200,000. It's way beyond the timeline that we've been taught. Exactly. It's so far beyond

Matt Lacroix 1:01:05
At that point, we're kind of getting in the weeds, because all we need to do is prove that Lockhart our story is far older than we're told, then we can figure out exactly how

Alex Ferrari 1:01:14
So isn't it true, though, that our DNA of Homosapiens was changed in a very significant way where there's a cap, there's little caps on the DNA, and that there's something quote unquote, called junk DNA, which makes no sense whatsoever. And I love having this conversation with people about it. Because just to prove it, like there were many other homo. Yes, Homo erectus almost. Yeah. Other versions of us out there. And our thoughts, and that's well documented the tablet very well. Yeah, exactly. So there was multiple yes, that were on the planet at the same time, we arguably were not the best suited. We're not the strongest, we didn't have the strongest, our, our skin is not covered in first. So we burn easily. You know, like when it doesn't seem like we're built for the outside,

Matt Lacroix 1:01:58
Because it's not built on survival of the fittest. It's not based on that, right? More like gardeners are stewards of like a great place.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:05
Exactly. So yeah, because the animals are much stronger than us. Yeah, bigger than us and actually had a bigger brain to my understanding, as well. So then all of a sudden, like that humanity or homosapien took over within what I don't know how many 100 years, 1000 years, I don't know what that is. But we became dominant and everybody else just went away. The Neanderthal went away. And all the other versions of us went

Matt Lacroix 1:02:27
1000s of years. Yes, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:28
But that doesn't blink.

Matt Lacroix 1:02:29
No, I know, I don't have to blink

Alex Ferrari 1:02:31
In the in the scope of things. That's not evolution. Evolution doesn't work that fast. Evolution supposedly long and slow,

Matt Lacroix 1:02:39
Which gets into the question of whether evolution is more of a micro evolution versus a macro.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:43
So can you explain what I've just discussed?

Matt Lacroix 1:02:46
Exactly. So micro means small changes, macro means large. And I actually have a great tablet I can bring up that gives us a perfect example of this. And it's called the myth of adapa. But before I mentioned that, I want to just point out a very interesting curiosity about humanity's genes, the gene, the genome of humanity. All primates on Earth have 48 chromosomes right at the ape world, and all of them have 48 chromosomes. But for some reason, homo sapien, sapien is the only one that has 46. So we have 46 chromosomes instead of 48, which is very strange and unusual how something like that could have happened in nature is beyond me, it seems more of some kind of intervention. Now, does that mean that it's some kind of a science lab, I would caution us on that. It's very exciting. Maybe it may be more of some something that's beyond that a little bit more of like, creating something using powers or things that we don't understand. I don't think it was necessarily in the lab with a bunch of lights on with them. Because that's, that's our, because that's how we perceive Yeah, I don't think that's how it went. Now, let me give you some context for that. There's a very important sets set of tablets called the myth of adapa. Okay, now, right away, it's interesting that adapa is pretty similar name to Adam. Okay, it's rare. It's interesting how that lines up. Now in the myth of adapa, it's it's very curious how it describes how adapa was created. It says that by Enki, one of the Anunnaki imperfection among men, the greatest of all, it says the greatest of all the Anunnaki Okay, it says that, essentially adapa was the like a perfect man created, which are very interesting with the parallels with Adam and religious text. But it states that he was the greatest man ever created to be chief among men, meaning that there were other humanities exists. There are other men. It's not like there aren't any other Homo sapiens sapiens or whatever you want to call them before that. So that brings up the question. Okay, so then adopter wasn't the first man ever created. He was the first perfect men ever created, which means that there were other creations and other men before them. So that brings up the question of okay, well, why were they perfect? And why wasn't why is it Why was the DOP all of a sudden created perfect. And then we have this lineage and connection back to this perfect man and the fall in the garden and all this stuff. But again, it I, in my research, I can't ignore things that are right there in front of me even if it's difficult to accept. It's I pride myself as being a very scientific person that base things on evidence. And that's something that I can't ignore. It is true that it mentions a previous man that exists that isn't as superior and then adopt was created. And then it's like this perfect man. And it's like the superior thing. He's considered a great sage. In fact, he's considered the first great sage of all of humanity. And he ends up leading this group called the up Kalu, which is a group of seven, sages seven, just like the cycle masters in the visible light spectrum. It's talked about how there are the seven sages that then travel around the world, and spread civilization and create everything. And that the exact same depiction of the Calu looks like the same depiction as the Dogan describe the Nomo that taught them that about the Sirius star system, and about all the these different aspects, then it's like, wait a minute, wait. So the Dogon were once Egyptians and they have all this knowledge about Sirius, and then you find out the Great Pyramid of Egypt is exactly aligned with the Queen's Chamber to the star constellation of Canis Major was serious. And then Orion, it starts to get really interesting, wondering about how that all could have been possible, and how all that went down. But clearly, our story is fantastic. Where we have risen up to the greatest levels we can imagine, and created what I believe was truly a golden age of the most precise and astronomically perfect temples aligned to the sun, the earth, the sun, the moon, and the celestial connections like Orion and Sirius, and other things to be perfect. And that we were once that and we had built all those things. And we had what was probably a beautiful civilization around the world that taught all about hermetic principles and mystic teachings. And these things were the looks like all these ancient places on top of mountains, like Machu Picchu, were just temples to the to like reaching highest states and the gods, and then they were all destroyed. And then we forgot everything. Well, yeah, so let me give you my opinion on because it's very well established in the Bhagavad Gita, and others, like you said, with Krishna and others, and this is the ancient Hindu Indian location, not today, right? My opinion on that is that they were describing other catastrophes on the earth as being a war of the gods. Now, in some ways it sort of was, because if you an example read the Enuma Elish, or Audra haces, it describes how there's a council of the Nuna that does that make a decision to destroy humanity? Destroy humanity, and that that decision was extremely regretted after and that there was conflict between them? These a noona over it, whether it was seven or 12, whatever it is of them, that they were in conflict about whether or not that was the right choice to do they describe humanity's becoming too loud. They could they use the word loud, and I think it has to do with language and different things. Here like tower Tower of Babel might be related to it. But again, it's it's this concept of them being in charge of cycles. Okay, so we think of it is such a bad thing. You're like, Oh, my God, like, I can't believe they would just destroy things. And well look at Shiva and Brahma, look at the Trinity out of out of the Hindu culture, she was considered a creator and destroyer, right? So why are we like, why are we ignoring the destroyer part.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:00
But that's the nature of human this nature of material world, we create and it goes well,

Matt Lacroix 1:09:04
Because that's the cycles of the universe, right? And those cycles are being governed, which is why it's very interesting in the vision of Hermes you learn that point man or the dragon which is God it's which is really interesting that God is despite the way is portrayed as a dragon, which is why it's very interesting how cuckoo Khan Academy quantal are feathered dragons, which is just the metamorphosis of the serpent into its highest form. Okay wings now is described in that how cycles govern everything here. Okay, in that indivision Hermes, it says that cycles govern everything here and that they will continue endlessly and that all time is a loop and that there is no beginning and there is no end. There is not we just go along for the ride. It just loops over and over again, which means that we are entering our golden age now. out, how long were they in a golden age are previous, not on anokhi Our previous civilization here that was that built the pyramids and built all the stuff I'm talking about it like Vaughn, I think their Golden Age was 18,000 years. Which, if we think that short imagine all that humanity has done in 500 years. Absolute right. Now imagine if we had a golden age that lasted for 18 18,000 to 20,000 years,

Alex Ferrari 1:10:28
The video games were very, very good.

Matt Lacroix 1:10:31
They built the most incredible things we can imagine. Sure, but even though they lived pious lives, and they were spiritually ascended and higher, I think that we're only allowed in this game to reach a certain level before we get knocked down. Now, that's not supposed to be a fear statement. And that doesn't mean at all that we're going about to be getting knocked down anytime soon. No, I want to be super clear about that. It just means that there's like an endless game here. That's based on something very specific, Alex. It's based on souls growth in the physical and non physical spiritual realms. And we seem like we're souls that come from potentially all over the universe, and that what's been created here is just a school. It's like tending the garden. Right, right. You're tending the garden here. But the problem is that we forgot that we're gardeners, right, and we want to get forgotten. We trash and destroy this planet. We don't realize that it's like a sacred Crystal Planet. That is one of the most important planets of life, I think, in the universe.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:34
And it's so from a souls point of view, then humanity or let's say, say, Earth right now, is going through cycles. It's constantly going through cycles. And what and if you're, let's say you're up in heaven, just like the sun is exact everything is Yeah, so we're up in heaven, which I'm using up and in the spiritual realm, and we're looking down and we're like, oh, God, I need to learn this lesson. This lesson this lesson, right? Man, if I really want it hard, I'm gonna have to wait till these guys get to the door, right? Which is again, timing right? Yes. I'm gonna like I second was a hopscotch like, okay, okay. Okay. And now, you know, I'm gonna want to be I want to be there for when the Internet is born, I want to take advantage of that. I'm going to be able to, I want to learn what being famous is, but that's not going to be available to me, in the 1700s not the way it's going to be available to me, right, in the early 2000s, when I jumped on this thing called tick tock, right. So, YouTubers, I feel like I'm using this as an example, to figure out how fame will, how I eat fame, I want to learn about fame, I want to learn about fortune, and I want to lose it all. And it's all planned that I want to lose it all. Because I did I just get so far out there. I'm gonna lose it on I want to see how I can build myself back up. This is a school. So it's constantly so if you're saying that we're constantly in a cycle, which completely makes sense. You jump in learn, come back out. Okay. Once the next Oh, Rome, that was let me contract. Okay, we're gonna jump in Rome. I'll come in a few cycles in Rome. The chips Gyptians will be a few cycles. And all that kind of says, As souls reincarnation coming back and forth, you're constantly learning. That makes a lot of sense to me. Because when you're saying that there are rules that organize this entire game is bad is obvious to anyone who walks because there's something called gravity. Yeah, that is a rule. You can't fight it. Can't fight that rule. There's a rule, there's certain things that happen that is in not in our control. Now, you and I are born, you and I will die. Yes. What time that period is when we die. We know when we come in that we have control of we have control over from the other side, have control of when we're born, who were born to circumstances and so on how we die. We don't know what it is. We don't know what the endgame is for us to spoil the whole the whole thing that was the whole the image if you like, you know, you've got until September 32nd. Right or second, listen to me. Well, maybe in another universe, December 22 2079. That's when you're going out and, and that's it, and you're gonna have fun. So you got until then, to make the most of this? Well, if we had that end date, kind of changed the game a little bit for us.

Matt Lacroix 1:14:05
That's not fun. If you know that if you know, right,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:06
Well imagine if Mario knows how to get through level two, you know, and like, avoid everything. It's not fun. I mean, no. Yeah, they need that that giant mushroom to come out and crush it to understand. Oh, I should okay, I learned that one. Well, let me come back with my next slide. Yeah. My next life, it's a video game. And our next life we come back and we keep trying it. So it's, I'm not degrading, or I'm not diminishing what we're going through, as this is just a video game. But it is, as many of the sages, especially the ones on this wall, said, This is not to be taken so seriously. No, it's fun. It's fun. This is and from near death experiences I've spoken to and and it's not real. It's not real. This is not the real clean illusion. This is not real. Yes. And now quantum physics is talking about it. Now. You know, the My favorite movie, The Matrix, you know, talked about and really put that out into the zeitgeist. In a very, very big way. It's just fascinating about all that. And that's why I wanted to bring back because I've never asked that question. Like all this stuff with ancient, what does it mean for our soul?

Matt Lacroix 1:15:10
Right! Let me talk about that for a minute. The first thing is, let's look at ancient Egypt, we find out that we found that if we find out that souls are judged, it's shown in a lot of an STI lays or in in murals, where they show a scale with a with a human feather with a feather on it, and then a human, a human heart like, and it measures and measures the weight. And if if it weighs more than the feather, it means that you have to come back again, into this incarnation cycle. Now, just like in any school, some schools in school, you sometimes have to repeat grades. Oh, my gosh, you know what, man? Like you? Listen, you did not quite get this grade down. Let's just do it over again. And maybe you can get it right. It's okay, let's everybody's progressing at their own level. I think that's how souls are, is that we seem to be at many different levels here. Some look like they've already graduated. But they decided they want to come back. And then others are like, I don't know what's going on here. I'm just like, figuring it out. Right. And I think that that's the purpose is that it's a school with with a lot of souls at very different levels, all at different points. Because if you haven't ascended to a certain place, which is very difficult to do, by the way, I think the the ascension process of a soul here is not easy, right? It's like the great medicine, it's like Buddha or something Buddha, where once you do that, I think you have the choice to come back whenever you want. And now you gotta make it's not though

Alex Ferrari 1:16:45
You have your PhD and you're like, you know, I love humanity so much, I'm gonna come back and help help the other ones or you just go on to them.

Matt Lacroix 1:16:50
That's just my opinion, based on what I've looked at is that there may be decision you can make based on if you graduate, where if he was if maybe if you don't graduate, maybe those decisions aren't quite as available to you. Like if you had to repeat a grade, it's not really your decision is it? You're like, I got to repeat that grade. So that's where it comes in. Now I want to give an example of how I think these cycles are governed. Now again, meaning that means that our souls are being judged who's judging them? It's kind of weird, right? Well, you find out that in the tablets in the legend of autonomy, and many others, you find out that Enki was an entre haces, he was designated to go into the underworld to deal with the determinations of souls. It's talked about that the terminations of souls and that's why we see Osiris and Egypt and all these different aspects of like judging souls and all this obsession with the Egyptians and Mesopotamians of the underworld. And like tracking where souls would go, they would go through extensive lengths to try to if someone died to try to bring their soul back in to like be in that life again, they were obsessed with that and I think they were obsessed for good reason. Now let me give you an example. A lot of people listening to this might this might be good and like reflect on them they maybe they haven't thought of this yet. If you're you're progressing in your path, right? Alex is like, man I'm still I'm I'm becoming pretty spiritual I meditate I'm eating healthy. I'm treat everybody really kindly. Man, I had this trauma from earlier my life that still really haunts me, and I just I can't get past it. Everything that I've seen shows that your level of consciousness and the path you take is directly governed by how pure and where you are. And that level, give me an example. You are stuck on something you haven't dealt with. You are only going to be able to progress a certain wet amount. In a in a way. With that baggage. The way you the way you like you'll be stuck, right? It's like you won't go anywhere. Right? You meet Johnny from high school, you're like, well, Johnny hasn't really changed much since high school.

Alex Ferrari 1:18:58
Met those guys.

Matt Lacroix 1:18:59
He's still drinking a six pack every day. And he's watching NASCAR. And I don't mean to put all those people down but I'm just like, he hasn't changed at all. He's just still Johnny's. That's great. No, Johnny wants to be Johnny. But you see, like someone else who's completely different than high school, right? Like, wow, boy, they their path change, right? And they're very spiritual. They're like a completely different person. I think that's how this goes, where we're being constantly judged on everything we do.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:27
But the one the one place that I I disagree with you slightly is this that I don't think that there's someone judging us I think it's us our higher self, because we're here to learn lessons as a higher self, our oversoul let's say we're looking down and we it's not that we have to come back. It's we want to come back. Okay, because if you're playing a video game, I don't know if you've ever played a video game. I've gone back into hard levels. I've constantly gone back in and constantly gone back and even though it might be frustrating, you might throw remote on the wall. All that's it you When you're playing that game, I gotta go back in, I want to figure this out, I want to go back in, I want to figure it out, you could put the game down for a day, two days, a month or two, whatever, but you're gonna come back to when you come back, you're gonna be at that level. In that game, I'm gonna kind of go back in. So I don't think it's as much that there's a judgment of someone else. I think we are the judgment. That's how it's been explained to me by near death experiences, and other sages that I've spoken to that there isn't judgment. We are our own judgment. Have you heard of the life review? I'm assuming you heard that we are not judging the life review. We just feel what we did to the other. It's a lesson

Matt Lacroix 1:20:34
Well, the only reason I guess I can I'll throw a little something in there that makes me justifies my statement. Is that that one of the most common phrases used in Sumerian and Akkadian. The Babylonian tablets, is they call the unknown at least 12 times they call them the or dangers of destinies. Yeah, of mankind Sure. Like they're governing our destinies right there like the architects Yeah. And that we seem to be part of a divine place that is balanced and governed and watched and carefully managed cycles of energy here, and human consciousness is carefully managed, because then look at the Middle Ages, like the dark ages of Jesus, it's like we weren't allowed to have a different consciousness then. Right? And it's, it seems like, there's a governing going on here at the same time. Now, I agree with you that the the, the higher self is related to that to that as well. So I'm not going to take that out. Certainly the higher self plays a part in this. But that's just what I mean by there seems to be a progressive, progressive system that's based on us, but also based on something external, where we're, we are allowed to reach Buddha like states unless we become pure in that food.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:43
Oh, no, you just gotta let go. You've got to lose the back.

Matt Lacroix 1:21:45
So there's, there's these blocks. Yeah, that will like, let me give you an example of this. Let's say I was to sit down with just someone I meet and tell them every possible spiritual, enlightening thing I possibly could in May kind of impact them. It may not. Because that person is at their own level. It you can't tell someone something just like you can't. They have to they have to live and breathe it, they have to become it. So it's, it's not it's more like we have to learn the lessons ourselves, and actually go through them and grow it rather than just being like, Oh, well, I know what that is, oh, no, you've got to go. You have to be it. Right?

Alex Ferrari 1:22:23
You have to be that intellectual?

Matt Lacroix 1:22:25
No, it's just a thing. You can't be aware of spiritual teachings and not be spiritual. Right? That doesn't work.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:32
But it's on a certain level though. Like, as you're as you're progressing on your own consciousness, there are certain things that let's say you, let's say you're a gambler, and you that you can't get rid of gambling, you know, and I was a drinker. I drank a drink and an addiction, and I got over addiction. But you didn't get over your addiction was was gambling. As I move forward in my consciousness, let's say I come back in another life. That won't even affect that won't even I won't even look at addiction anymore. I conquered it in my other life. Yeah, so it won't even it just won't even occur to me. Yeah. You might even try alcohol, which was your nemesis in your former life. And you'll go Oh, thank you. Yeah. And you can kind of see that as our own growth as soul as

Matt Lacroix 1:23:14
Something you take back with you. Right?

Alex Ferrari 1:23:15
Yeah. Because look, there's things that we did his kids that we've outgrown. Yeah, just at the soul grow things exactly. As we continue to move forward. Yeah. But as you evolve to master level of of the game at the Ascended Master level, or walking master, like Baba Ji, or Jesus or Buddha or any of these guys, as you go through that there is these other things won't occur to them. So in other words, you know, let's say, I'll use it please, please, please don't get angry. Let's say Buddha and Jesus are walking down the street. And there's a strip club and the like, and they're like, You know what, man? I'd spent a lot it's been a dog's ages I've walked in there I you know, I wouldn't mind that would never personally heard to them so far because it's so at a sudden different frequency from where they are and but the thing is that they had to evolve past it let go of that weight to evolve past it. I always like using the the analogy of the ocean. So the ocean we're all we're at the dawn at the bottom of the of the trench, the Mariana Trench trench? Yeah, yeah, we're down there. And when you're down there, man, it's Oh, the pressure it's barely move. As you evolve past certain things. You go higher and higher, the higher you go, things get a little lighter. Yeah, they definitely do get a little lighter, to the point where you can break the surface once you break the surface you have mastered and you're never gonna go back down there. You've mastered it you've mastered so you know, you're in the air. how free are you in the air versus even at the top three feet of water still is something so that's the evolution of consciousness. It's like a past that ocean to break the ocean. Yes. Does that all make sense?

Matt Lacroix 1:24:47
No, it does. And actually, that's a perfect place to add. I want to add something else to what we were saying to the next layer. Is that division of Hermes again, remember it's the one on the one mind right God source is this one mind that creates The archetype it creates the blueprint. And then a second mind again, dia Nuno, I believe they are, are the like, they're supposed to be the creators of the universe. Within that, then it states states though, that they're non physical, that they're just creators, and that we're created to merge matter with spirit. That's what they stay in that what they state in a way where like, it's never happened before. And they knew it, Alicia talked about having to take a slain God, and then like the blood, and then and then bring in fusing whatever they had, which is, which is interesting, if it's a non physical being well, I mean, they can obviously become physical. But what I mean is, the process of us being created seems to be more like molding something that they state, like, we're like clay, in the in the tablets, they call us like being molded like clay into something perfect. But the one I'm trying to make is it's like a hierarchy. There's an organization to its, it's this source of currently created everything, then there are these creators within fractals within that, that are that are creating everything around it, we get then created by them, which is doing it in, in, in a hierarchy of the source. But where we're being we're, we're created in that way, so that we can experience a physical reality in a physical place and have mortality, but still have a path back to where we started.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:21
Right! Because if we're down here for the next you know, whatever, 1000s endlessly, then that the game is useless. It's kind of like I don't know how old if you remember the game Contra. Oh, yeah, remember the Up Up Down that when I started LEFT, RIGHT B A start. That's invincibility. I don't know about you, once you beat the game 45 times did you Of course. 1000 times I beat that game. With it with it with with these hard game. Yeah, Contra was a hard game, the original one. But once you have invincibility, you fly through it. Yeah. After I beat it, you'd I would just sit down and just play it for fun just to beat it. And then afterwards, I'd go back and go, you know, I'm gonna see if I can beat this without it. And I would literally challenge myself, even though I knew everything that was going to come. I didn't have the weaponry. I didn't have all I had was the knowledge. And I would test myself. And I use this as an analogy. Because once you once you have everything, it gets boring.

Matt Lacroix 1:27:13
Yeah. I think actually, that's a major reason why we're here is I think through boredom.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:18
Right! It's like there's so much stuff going on.

Matt Lacroix 1:27:20
I think that source created us to experience the ultimate story.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:25
Right! We're very exciting down here. This is the reality show.

Matt Lacroix 1:27:29
Just imagine the human saga like being created an imperfection, rising up creating the greatest temples and pyramids a world has ever known only to all be destroyed, and then have to start over again, and then rise back up and not remember who you were,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:41
And it comes to end. It's a different timeline.

Matt Lacroix 1:27:42
Yes, it's different all different times.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:44
Yeah, it's not like we're gonna do the same exact technology the exact same.

Matt Lacroix 1:27:47
Then you go down a totally different path than you once did. And now you're exploring like AI and all this tech and everything you're like, wait a minute, though. What about this whole disconnection from spirit? And I think that's where we are right now. Yeah, is we have everything techie we can use. But now we just need to incorporate and bring us back into spirit and nature. See, that's the core of this. Now, one of the most common things that shown in these teachings from like the KEF box relief that I talked about, that were woven around the world, is this a central component that we must have to being connected to the garden, and balance it taught us shows us over and over again, with the tree of life in this in these doorways, these triptych doorways of balance. And it describes how there's three totalities and three aspects of us. And you, you know, this is the Trinity, right? It's the Father Son, the Holy Ghost, but in non religious terms, it's the mind, the body and the spirit. And they discuss in that it shows in that the teachings about how if the three of those are balanced, it unlocks this other door, that basically you become like God, once you unlock and balance all those things. And it's like this teaching of how to achieve our highest states. And it's right there in front of us. It's right there. But one of the cores of it is this essential component of us realizing our place within nature and within the universe. And our role within cycles and balance. Balance is the key. It's the theme that's over and over and over shown on everything is not only us understanding our balance, but understanding our balance within nature, and that we seem to be stewards of this great place. Now, what are we created for then one of the reasons seems to be to rise up to become the stewards or gardeners of this world. They show them as maintaining that, which is really interesting that they, it goes all the way back to them maintaining balance here with the earth like like the Earth can on its own. And it's there like they have a hand and maintaining balance. You can see that very clearly. And that we're being groomed to like be them. That's what that's what it's very interesting when you read write the myth of a Dapo Roger haces. It talks about how we're created to alleviate the workload of the gods. That's what it says. So people are like, Oh, is that mean slavery? No, I think it means means co creation within this reality, right? And that we are being governed we're being groomed to eventually as a society, rise back up again to become spiritual beings that are like tending this garden. What would this world be Alex, this planet? If, if everyone just cleaned up all the trash, built with sacred geometry structures, plant replanted all the trees everywhere and still had cities but woven into nature and into divine sacred principles. What would this world be like it'd be like a paradise, it would be a garden, a giant Paradise Garden, I think that's the end game. That's what we're trying to get back to is realizing our role in doing it. And let me give you another example. If anybody is more in tuned with feeling things around them, they go to like an inner city, right? Cars beeping and sirens going off. And you're like, someone who's in tune that comes from nature's gonna be like, Oh, my God, I need to get out of here. Like this is bad, right? This is disruptive. It's horrible for people. Now, some just aren't in tune to that. And they don't, they don't, that doesn't bother them. But like someone like me, that really bothers me. Now let's take the same example. Go to like a botanical garden. Right? Not only just nature, but nature like design really beautifully. We we have to play a hand in it, though. We have to be the gardeners in that. Well, someone who's sensitive, go to that place. What does that feel like? Right, you step out, you're sitting in this perfect spot with a little beautiful strain that's been created with a little waterfall that goes over full of flowers, you're sitting maybe in this beautiful spot under a big tree, this perfect meditation spot, the energy is completely different there than it is in that inner city. Why? Because it's different. But why is the energy different? What are we doing there? What like what's happening there, Alex?

Alex Ferrari 1:31:55
Well, the difference is, so say it again. So we're talking about the

Matt Lacroix 1:31:59
Some sacred geometry with plants and water and like something beautiful, that's been designed. And then and then in an inner city that's built like, Bad's things, like one is metal and like rough things, and

Alex Ferrari 1:32:11
One is built with consciousness. And the frequency of that consciousness is of a much higher love. Yeah. Where the other one is also built with consciousness, but at a very low,

Matt Lacroix 1:32:20
Are they both the Earth?

Alex Ferrari 1:32:22
They're both exactly the same. But the frequency is different.

Matt Lacroix 1:32:25
Well, then why don't we just create the whole world like that, then?

Alex Ferrari 1:32:28
The because people aren't all at the same frequency.

Matt Lacroix 1:32:30
We haven't gotten to that point. But that's what I'm saying is that that's why we're stewards. We're supposed to create a paradise here. Yeah, we're supposed to create a new Eden. I'm actually supposed to turn this world, because I want to tell you why. So people are like, who cares about all these gardens and stuff? What is that do? I think it creates magic, literal magic with a K at the end, not a sleight of hand magic, but actual energetic magic. I think it changes our entire ability to create our entire ability to be a higher form, and to be a higher spiritual being. It requires that

Alex Ferrari 1:33:06
But what so what you're saying is, is something that has been talked about in the yogic texts, and the Vedic texts for years, the yogi's, the yogi's, who will eventually get to master level in this form, and they're not there, they eventually could become Ascended Masters, but many of them just leave and many do come back. But they're able to manifest things, yogic powers, that that you know, manifest, right, literally levitating and stuff at A and B, bio location. And, you know, and then you look at Jesus a story you're like, he's a, he's a great yogi. Yeah, of course, he's just like, all the stages, all of them all, and Buddha, all of them are the same. It's all the same thing adopts the same, exactly. So they're all just at a higher level didn't create, we're all trying to guide the rest of them. We're all then there. They're shown as examples of what you can become. Yes, Jesus literally said it. He's like you, you can do what I can do and more.

Matt Lacroix 1:33:58
But like it was almost like our consciousness at that time wasn't ready. We had to have those for a future time. Right to leave behind, which is interesting. Again, it gets into the like governing of consciousness and levels of where we're supposed to be. But I'm, I'm the more I've looked into all of it. The more like, give me an example. Look at ancient Sumur, like Babylon, the Babylonian gardens, a hanging garden, they were creating these places because they knew a lot of Hindu temples, same thing. All these practices of where these great sages and masters were, they weren't in some disgusting, trash ridden place. They were meditating in a beautiful, pure place. And again, I get back to that term that the noona used when creating the first cities ever. They said in pure places, lay the bricks in pure places. There's an energy here, there's an energy that we have to understand that's relating to this and now we go into like, seek those places because they're beautiful, but we don't create them. And I find that very interesting. The disconnect between us creating those Alright, and us being like, Oh, hey, I want to go camping because I can't stand it here any longer. So I'm gonna go up into the mountains. But but the belief in ourselves is that we can't know because we haven't we haven't understood that we're creators yet, and we're gonna find creators of the universe. That's what sacred geometry Yeah. And that's the point is that, can you take this incredibly powerful being, that's a creator and put it into a mortal body, have it forget nearly everything, and then see what happens. It just I want to add one more thing is in the vision of Hermes. Again, one more thing is it describes how mankind ended up falling in love with its shadow. It fell in love with its shadow in the material realm of this place. And that it ended up becoming almost bound to it because it wanted, it wanted to exist here so much that it fought against being a spiritual being right? Back out is very tough. So we become lost in the illusion here without realizing that this is just the teaching school for to reaching higher souls and creating a beautiful garden. Again, I want to reiterate one day, within the next couple 100 years, we will get to the point where our earth will become a paradise. And then we will unlock all the magic that we've been waiting for all along with waiting for saviors and all these things to come. It's just us, we have to find and become our own savior, and put the pieces back together. The remnants of what the ancients were trying to teach us on how to do that all along. It's never going to be handed to us again, the keys were handed to us once. And I believe that was that I honest. That's why I told you, I think that's when most holy places on Earth, think the keys were handed to us then on how to create everything. And then we lost them. And it's our job to find them again. And that's the beauty of that story is that we're finding our way back to where we started. And that's how it's supposed to be.

Alex Ferrari 1:36:52
Man, I have to ask you, man, you've said on this in this interview, that you're very evidence based. Yes. And all your research, you focus on that that's you pride yourself on that? Well, we just have been having like a 45 minute conversation about the soul, and about higher consciousness and frequencies and all this stuff to have no real place in evidence. I love to hear where you because you are a very factual person, and a very evidence based person. But yet you had a very esoteric conversation with me about the soul, and about the evolution of a soul. Where do you come from? Like, how do you how do you Yeah, belief system?

Matt Lacroix 1:37:27
Well, where does evidence come from? Are we talking about climatic evidence? We're talking about something written down? Well, how about nearly every ancient culture around the world saying the same thing? That's your evidence. I mean, again, you will look at everything from Hindu cultures, to Mesopotamian cultures to, like I said, the era of civilization to ancient Peru, Ancient Egypt, they're all essentially saying the same thing. They're just saying that the soul is a spiritual being here for a mortal experience that is trying to learn the valuable lessons to grow and ascent. And that and it really just comes down to slight variations of the same thing. Now, the other piece of it is I've lived it, you know, I've taken all those teachings and incorporated them into my life. I've had profound experiences of waking up for the first time when I've been when I wasn't awake 15 years ago, or so whatever it was, being at that point where you were very different person and you go through this massive awakening that comes in the forms of every every different kind of different level in different way for everyone else. For me, it was kind of like a freight train. Oh, yeah. Okay, for me, it was like, literally within, I would say, two weeks, you wouldn't even know who I was, at the end of a two week period of having it all it because it all happens when you can download, like a download, and then you all of a sudden start figuring stuff out. And then you you start reformulating your reality and like, Oh, my God. And so it's the two pieces of evidence I use are ancient tablets and ancient texts around the world that all describe incarnation, the soul and the purpose, and like their hermetic stuff, all of that. But then take the even in the tablets, they talk about a lot of that as well. But then take How about real experiences, just putting into practice the same things that they talked about? What happens? What do you feel? What kind of experiences do you have? And I can tell you that anyone who's had those experiences, out of body meditation experience, experiences, experiences, where they get to some divine place or they get guidance, or they have moments of just like pure beauty that are beyond comprehension. You don't need anything else. It's you end up getting more evidence you could ever imagine in your life. And then you go on this path of like, on a loudspeaker we're like, Hey guys, whatever What What's everyone doing? Come on, don't you know everybody's at their own level? Everyone's at their, at their own level as a soul. Right? And they have to progress at their own level and you can't you can't force a horse to drink water. Oh, God. You know, you can't, you can't force it. As that old saying goes, every individual individual soul has to decide when they're ready, you can't force them to do it. And the end of the day, they can argue till the cows come home if they want to be, in this world animated as something that just dies and has no spirit and no connection to Source, but you're gonna live a pretty empty life. And you're not going to take back a lot with you. Right. And so in the end, that's where I come from, is that every ancient teaching, everything seems to be mimicking, especially this, these these new archaeological sites that I'm talking about. They have all of those teachings in them in these in these reliefs, and in these walls carved into them, and you're looking at it, you're like, Wait, so every, like, seemingly, every spiritual teaching seems to all be in one place here. You're like, so it was seems like it was all handed to us at one time. And we then what happened to us? Well, we became the greatest civilization we've ever become. And now we're trying to get back to that. But that's the beauty of it. Alex, right. I like to look at it this way. When all else fails, when it seems that all is lost, and we seem to be going the wrong direction. And we are technologically advanced, but spiritually primitive. At the last moment, were all like, it seems like we're not going to be able to do it, we do. And it's beautiful. Because it's like, it's like watching a great movie where you have no idea how the outcome is going to go. And you don't know how it's going to be. But you know that all all truly great stories have happy endings. They don't, you can't just you all great stories have some kind of a great ending, just like us, but there's no ending. It's just endless cycles of, of rising up and falling down and rising up and falling down. But in between, there's beauty. There's light, there's love. There's, there's us finally realizing that perhaps having this experience here on Earth, and having this experience in a physical reality, may be the greatest possible experience you could have. And if we were just taking it for granted,

Alex Ferrari 1:42:01
Oh, there's no question that we're taking it for granted. There's no question, which then and again, from my my research in doing the show and speaking to different walk people from all different walks of life, the concept of this scenario of humanity, or this game being played on other worlds around the universe, because it just makes no sense a lot, right now has to be something else. But there's different variations on difficulty. And like, hey, you know, I was talking to someone near death experience the other day, like, would you go to a world that there's just not a whole lot going on? Everything's great. Cool.

Matt Lacroix 1:42:38
I don't think souls would incarnate there.

Alex Ferrari 1:42:40
Yeah. But if you just kind of like want to chill in the material world and have a couple of little challenges here and there, then maybe, or do you want to go on a roller coaster? You know, there's this place called Earth.

Matt Lacroix 1:42:50
It's like the party. Yeah, this is where it's at.

Alex Ferrari 1:42:52
This is where it's at. And apparently at this time in our cycle, yes. Is very exciting to be because the dark ages oof, that's that's a rough that's a that's a wooden roller coaster has been around for a few people.

Matt Lacroix 1:43:04
What what, what one heck of a human story to go through all that? Right? ragin, like when we had castles and we're fighting each other. And like, look at what we've become like we've gone from that back up again. Right? It's just beautiful to see the human story.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:19
No, absolutely. You go back to I mean, everyone talks about the Egyptians, but then you go into the Roman times. Rome was around for over 1000 years. That's a hell of a long dynasty,

Matt Lacroix 1:43:30
The greatest longest Empire that's ever lived

Alex Ferrari 1:43:32
Really. I mean, the Egyptians had it, but they just jumped up and it came crashing down. But what Rome did was magnificent. I mean, brutal. But magnificent

Matt Lacroix 1:43:43
Great things and bad things.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:44
I think all civilizations Yes, it Yeah, of course. All empires do. Yeah, there's no there's no pure empire

Matt Lacroix 1:43:50
To be an empire is also also unsustainable, by the way as well. Right? Always,

Alex Ferrari 1:43:55
Always exactly. But what they did was remarkable, and then to see at the end when it came down, and what caused it to go down and then it goes right into the Roman Catholic Church, which all the riches went into there. All the knowledge went into there, to see where we were now at. I mean, to look back at it. Look, when I was in Italy, and I'm walking around these churches, you couldn't my wife couldn't walk in with a tank top on to a church. She had to get they had to give out like this rinky dink shawl, like, you know, this paper to cover her shoulders. Because that's too revealing to be in the church. And I'm sitting there going, are still there. Are you Are you out of your mind? Like it's 2020 or 2023. When I went I'm like, what? That's how far down the dogma hole. These people were at. I'm like, Wow, man. This is there's a lot of work to be done still.

Matt Lacroix 1:44:51
I know. But it's good work. And, you know, we're progressing exactly the way we're supposed to. And it's beautiful to see that. When when all seems lost in the As these terrible moments, you know, like, horrible wars or things we've gone through, like humanity, yeah, always gets through. And we have, I just feel very humbled to be part of such an incredible time right now, oh, my, when we can be here sitting here having this conversation in public in public, and to not be worried that I'm gonna get hung as I if I go outside, right, right, right, right at the stake or something. But we're in this beautiful time when all of humanity's ideas can at least be shared. And we can, we can talk about all of them, we can come together, and we're naturally getting to that place where humanity is, as a global civilization is truly getting on a place where we're all finally realizing that we're humans, and that we're not competing on anything. And then we're all just here for basically the same reason.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:46
One last question I wanted to ask you about before we finish up is, you mentioned Antarctica before. What do you think is there man?

Matt Lacroix 1:45:55
Usually my answer on Antarctica is pretty disappointing to people. And I'll just preface by saying that I have studied quite a bit of geology. And I will say that, it's, it's interesting, what what can happen when you have relatively young mountains that end up getting encased in ice and don't aren't allowed to have erosion. And they're like, they're almost stuck in that state, they can have very sharp edges, because of the fact that they have no erosion at all right. And we know the Antarctic ice crack cap is roughly 500,000 years old. We know that by ice core samples, so a lot of people want me to say, oh, there's a civilization hiding under the ice. And those are pyramids sticking up. I can't say that. However, I will add to this, I will add one little piece to that, is that I do think, though, that there's a lot of mysterious things going on in Antarctica. And I think it has more to do with the toroidal toroidal energy field of the Earth, though, regarding technologies and things that are going on down there, way down, maybe relating to preventing some kind of a disaster with earth or preventing the way that the sun is going through very, very large changes right now. And I think they're using my opinion is they're using technologies down there to somehow manipulated the turtle massive toroidal energy of the earth because of magnetism, because of what they think they learned about what happened to the ancients with when the magnetic poles start shifting, and you get tectonic movements, and you get a lot of very, very bad things on the earth that happened when the sun goes through massive cycles. And it's just part of the cycles. But the real question is, are we in one of those again? And are they quietly preventing something like that? from happening? I mean, give me an example. Look at the North Pole, within the since the 90s. It's been rapidly shifting, and they've had to go up and do a lot of new readings on where, uh, where magnetic north is for flying. Oh, yeah, flight stuff. It's a big deal. It's been shifting and moving around up there. And that is always indicative of a massive increases in sun activity that disrupt the magnetic sphere of the Earth, which is what I think destroyed, ultimately, the lost civilizations of our past.

Alex Ferrari 1:48:10
So do you think you'll do you think the shifts? I mean, from what I understand, they will shift, the Hawaii will be North eventually? Who knows?

Matt Lacroix 1:48:18
Um, I think that those are extreme examples of that have happened. Just a wobble can cause problems. They don't have to shift. North doesn't have to become North and South, like South doesn't have become north and north become south. That's extreme. I think that my dad destroys everything that destroys me. Yeah, but what we mean is moving to another position, like, like, give me exactly five feet left will screw. Let me give you an example. Actually, if you look at where the ice was, during the last ice age, the Laurentide ice sheet, the Scandinavian ice sheets, you'll see that the ice was not around where we're today would be our poles, parts of northern Siberia and Alaska, where ice free during the last ice age, really bizarre that people don't think of, whereas those enormous amount of ice in Canada and parts of I guess, Scandinavia and other places, but it's revolving around an area that would be what looks very, very like and temples that have been aligned to magnetic north and true north that are not there anymore, suggest that the Earth's axis and where the magnetic north pole is, is no is not where it was then. Which shows that it shifted pretty dramatically, which is what could have caused their destruction. Again, and that's what I think this may be going on in Antarctica is playing around with that, because we're so susceptible to it. If the magnetic sphere changes too quickly, in the poles shift, you can get just cult colossal catastrophes around the earth. And so that may be what's going on down there. And certainly, we seem to have the ability to potentially like prevent our own destruction in that way. Whereas, look at all the pyramids in ancient times and all the temples built on ley lines they seem to be Trying to balance that. That's again, where we get that's a whole nother conversation, we could get into another show. But whether or not all these temples and pyramids, their purpose was beyond just human consciousness and reaching higher states and everything, but was actually about like being a aspect of balancing the energy of the earth. And, and there's evidence in place to places like the Serapeum, where some of the granite boxes literally exploded, exploded during the last blast, you know, Younger Dryas when potentially energy surge through and like destroy the whole grid. So they and that gets into the whole idea of whether or not they were trying to balance that grid and how that always becomes destabilized as part of cycles. And whether or not we have technology now that they didn't have, and that perhaps we could even prevent our own demise. And I don't think that's anytime soon. I'm just saying, I think there's a lot more going on now. In what we have a bill avail available to us, like, look at us, like we're spiritually primitive compared to them. But maybe we have certain technologies they didn't have. Right we can. So that's it's like, it's it's like it's a double edged sword.

Alex Ferrari 1:51:11
We've mastered the material more than they did. But they mastered the spiritual more than

Matt Lacroix 1:51:16
Maybe they didn't do enough on the material, right, like I'm just saying, and speculating is that we may have certain things to our advantage that they didn't have. And I think the spirituality aspect will catch up.

Alex Ferrari 1:51:28
Right, which is right now, of course, the shifting of the shift, right, great shift the awakening that's happening, why shows like this are being watched by me. And, sadly, were 20 years ago that we're in,

Matt Lacroix 1:51:39
We're part of a great story, Alex, that has been unfolding for millennium. And we are at the great transition into another age. And that is an exciting time to be here.

Alex Ferrari 1:51:50
Matt, it is been such a pleasure talking to you. In studio, where can people find out more about you, your new books that are coming out, and the great work you're doing in the world?

Matt Lacroix 1:51:59
Please check out thestageoftime.com. And I'm actually on my fourth book right now we just back in January, I released a book with Billy Carson called the epic of humanity. And I'm on my fourth book, which will be for me my great legacy that it's going to, I'm really spending an enormous amount of time and I'm right in the middle of it right writing, I was just writing on the plane over here. And it's called the missing key of history, the last era civilization, and how I believe that as a missing key around the world that will help us unlock an understanding of our origins, the origins of the symbols and teachings about what we once understood and what once existed long ago in our past. And as I mentioned to you in the being of the show, this connection with you with, with Martin young and all the work that I've been doing with creating this incredible documentary and these expeditions, we will be going back to Turkey, and including Menorca Spain, October 1 for the real expedition in the filming with Robert Schoch. And Paul Wallace. And in myself and Hans Orihime, and others, archaeologists and geologists to go back and look at these sites and symbols and see if they can completely change the narrative time period of all of history, and have us understand these divine symbols in a way that we never have something that can pot potentially bring humanity together around a common a common place of wow, we're all just divine beings of the universe. And these are the teachings on how to get back to source.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:22
Well, if I can, in any small way help with that, sir and getting the word out. I'm here to be of service. So

Matt Lacroix 1:53:29
Thank you, I appreciate it. And so check out my YouTube channel also at Matthew Lacroix, and my website at the stage of time.com for a lot more. But we have a lot of exciting times coming. We have the first expedition which will be Turkey in Menorca for the documentary, and then part two will be Peru and Bolivia. So we have a whole set of countries and locations around the world that we're gonna be putting together to connect this whole narrative of lost civilizations, ancient symbols and origins back to the very beginning.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:57
Well, I am looking forward to seeing all of that my friend thank you again for coming down here. This has been such a great conversation. I cannot wait to our next one my friend so I appreciate you for everything you're doing to awaken the planet. So appreciate you man.

Matt Lacroix 1:54:08
Thank you, Alex. And thanks everyone. I appreciate it.