Alex Ferrari 0:00
Most people are living in their mental space. When you say you're out of here, that means you're basically in in the full woo.

Marisa Liza Pell 0:05
It has many of those light pillars on the earth to then to come back on. We need all because they're going to be the leaders of consciousness. So people can actually be free of their core emotional wounds, and so they can actually step into their purpose, because that's what the world needs right now. It's not about giving people readings. It's not about giving people messages. Now it's about getting people where they're supposed to be to lead the planet. They need internal space, because they actually are seeking connection.

Alex Ferrari 0:53
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Marisa Liza Pell, how you doing Marisa?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:20
How are you I'm so happy to be here in the studio in Austin.

Alex Ferrari 1:23
Yes, thank you so much for driving down. Yeah, you drove down.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:29
It was, it was this a self journey experience?

Alex Ferrari 1:33
Yes, well, I'm so happy to have you here. We've, we've gone off to a late start, because all we did was just chat in the other room for like, 45 minutes, so, like, so I was like, Oh, we got to get going. Our last conversation. People absolutely adored they love your energy. They love your authenticity. And I use that as a quotation. You were joking about that, because people think, like, Well, how else am I supposed to be if I'm not authentic, should I be fake?

Marisa Liza Pell 2:01
I don't get how, like, you're not supposed to be any other way. Like, I really don't like what you see out there before we start here, yeah, same exact person. Same exact person,

Alex Ferrari 2:12
Exactly yeah, person I just spent 45 minutes without there is the same person who's sitting in front of me right now, and vice versa. I try to be. People came to people came to the Ascension Conference, literally, the like, I just wanted to see if Alex was real and, like, like,

Marisa Liza Pell 2:27
A cardboard cutout, like, What,

Alex Ferrari 2:28
No, like, if I was real in the sense of, like, Is he really that person that I see on the show? I'm like, Absolutely. Like, I'm you. Did you see another version of me out there?

Marisa Liza Pell 2:39
I did actually, a little bit you're actually even more funny and more animated, yeah, not as serious, like sometimes, but I think you're I even like, I even like what I've seen even more, yeah!

Alex Ferrari 2:52
Because, well, I usually this is just an instinctual thing. When I interview people, I I match their energy, right? So, right. So when I had guru Nath here from India, I'm not cracking a whole lot of jokes, because it's a very serious, powerful, you know, centered man, and his message is very, you know, booming. And yeah, he does tell jokes in here and there, but it's not that energy with you. I have a feeling it's going to be a little different.

Marisa Liza Pell 3:19
Well, let's make it that energy, because life is serious enough. I tell people like the world, my whole job is serious. Like, you need, humor is healing. Laughter is healing. Yes, it is. And so, like, you can't take yourself too serious,

Alex Ferrari 3:38
Absolutely so we are. So normally, like, I usually have my iPad here with questions on thing, but I decided to go, wow, raw dog. Yeah, the best way, I think just a little raw action. We're just gonna just enjoy this conference. I do it every once in a while, just to see where it goes. And you have a whole lot of stuff to talk about. But before we get going. Can you tell everybody who didn't see the first episode, which was a big hit, thank you, who who you are and what you do? Just a quick like 60 seconds?

Marisa Liza Pell 4:10
Yes. So I'm Marisa Liza Pell. I am. I'm a master intuitive channel and also a transformational mentor as well. So I do a lot of work with intuition, but also a lot of work with somatic healing. So I combine science now and spirituality, so people can actually be free of their core emotional wounds, and so they can actually step into their purpose, because that's what the world needs right now. So that's what we help people to do,

Alex Ferrari 4:37
What I love about you, and the way that you do. What you do is, it's a no BS, East Coast vibe. It's just like, I'm like, stop it. Did you ever see that? Um, oh god, this great Saturday Night Live skit from years ago with Bob Newhart, back back in the day. I don't know if I saw it's a great one. He's playing a therapist, and this woman comes in and she's like, doctor. Thank you so much for seeing me. And he's the guy who's sitting there. Oh, no problem, no problem. Like, I just takes months to get in here. And, you know, they say you're the best. She's like, well, thank you. Thank you. So say. And then she's like, Oh, go ahead, tell me what's wrong. And she just starts babbling about her life and things like that, but not in, like, serious stuff, like all BS kind of stuff. Yeah? He's like, okay, yeah, it's good, good, good, good. He goes, All right, I'm gonna give you a therapy here, right? This is gonna change your life, right? I need you to take a pen and write this down. Okay, stop it. Just jump. Just stop it. Just stop just stop it. And it's the funniest lesson. It's all my therapist friends, because that's what a therapist would want to say to people, yeah, just stop it.

Marisa Liza Pell 4:37
And sometimes I do,

Alex Ferrari 4:37
And sometimes when you yell at them, sometimes it does.

Marisa Liza Pell 4:37
I had to, like, pull it back. I have some new people I'm working with that. I have people that have been with me a long time, and then I'm like, Oh, I can't be talking to them the same way I talk to the people that know me, because they say, I love your authenticity until that comes out, like, you know, until it comes out.

Alex Ferrari 5:56
Oh, yeah. Everyone loves the authenticity until it's aimed at them. Exactly, yeah. Everyone wants to go to heaven, but it's love. It's out of love, exactly. And you know what? That's the thing I think is missing in today's world, especially in the spiritual space, is that people kind of dance around problems, and the real healing happens when you go at it, yeah, like you go head on. And that's what you need to do the shadow work, the deep work, the, you know, I got to figure this stuff out, kind of thing, as opposed to kind of dancing around it. And by the dancing around it, then you say that you're healing, or you're saying that you're getting over things, but the core problem is still there. That's right, no matter how many retreats you go, no matter how many books you read, you got to actually do the hard work. Yeah, and every once in a while you need, and that's some, like, some of the gurus on the wall who lived in the 20th century. They know no joke. They just look at you and like, stop it. Like they go. They go to the core of what your problem is. And a lot of people, especially in today's world, can't handle that. They're like, what like, What do you mean? I have to do the work. I'm like, can't I just wake up enlightened like, no, no, that's not the way it works.

Marisa Liza Pell 7:05
Intellectual knowledge is not going to fix it, no. And we have so much information coming at us right now, right? And I talked about this on another podcast I was on a few months back. I talked about an information crash coming where it's just where the darker energies are coming from right now is they're trying to pull us in through the technology portal, trying to pull us down to where people are just in a trance, trying to get dopamine, just like in social media, social media. And if you're sitting on and I'm going to just be upfront with that, I don't care, because I'm just gonna say it, that's right. Love you. So if you're sitting there commenting on videos and just talking about what you don't like in the world and what you don't like about people like you're not doing the job you're supposed to be doing, which is making an impact, because that's what the world needs right now. So if your whole time is spent watching the news, and, I mean, you have to be informed, but watching the news, commenting on socials, doom scrolling and writing negativity like you're not helping the world at all.

Alex Ferrari 8:07
There was a story you told me outside about someone who commented on something that, yes. Do you mind telling that story? Because I thought was so beautiful, what your your partner said and how he dealt with it?

Marisa Liza Pell 8:17
Yes. So, you know, we, we obviously have a few people that are, you know, actually read our emails of people. And we have great people. We're real. I'm really lucky. Been doing this a really long time. I have great people. But, you know, sometimes you just have somebody who is decides that they're in pain, which is where it comes from, and they need to, like, let it out. They need to just project it onto somebody because they're in pain. Usually it's because somebody in this industry screwed them over, fair enough, right? So they feel like they've been wronged,

Alex Ferrari 8:50
And now everybody in the industry is the same way. We're all frauds everybody, right?

Marisa Liza Pell 8:54
But I said this, let me get back that. But I said this to somebody on a thread somewhere. I was like, Don't you realize? Like, there's frauds everywhere, like every industry, like real estate, you have a real estate fraud. You've got a car, you know finance, of course, you know your priest, whatever. And it's like, why are we so focused on people in this industry, right? But usually it's because they're upset because they've been scammed or taken over. But then they think everyone's like that, which I get, you know what I mean. So this was a person that wasn't even a client, wasn't even somebody that bought a product, you know, with not in my programs or anything, just decided they want to just email the office and just talk about, like, just say a bunch of stuff, right about how they don't, you know, like, whatever I don't, I'm not gonna get into it. But luckily, I have people on my staff that we're just not like, Oh, we're just gonna ignore you, or we're just going to make it fluffy. No, he went in and was like, can you just let me know, like, why you felt it was necessary to, like, decide to email us and. And say this like, and they actually had a dialog. They he actually went down. They had a dialog till they got to the other side. And in part, it weighs amicably. And she said at the very end, yeah. I mean, it wasn't like a, like a full on apology, you know, you know. But like she had said, I forget exactly what I told you,

Alex Ferrari 10:20
If I remember correctly, is like, Well, no, no one's ever, I've never had any success in my life. So why should you or something along those lines, yeah, did something along those like, why nothing ever good happened to me? Exactly nothing ever could happen to me. Yeah. So why should you be happy?

Marisa Liza Pell 10:36
It wasn't about saying it me directly. Being happy was just kind of like, well, she had something happen to her with a healer or something, and felt like she paid all this money. And I don't know exactly, because I didn't, I wasn't the one responding to the emails, but she's just like, Why should I be happy? Because nothing ever good happened, and this stuff is all BS, and, you know,

Alex Ferrari 10:58
I got cord into it's like, if you just keep asking the word, why? Well, why? Eventually you get to the point

Marisa Liza Pell 11:05
Yeah, and we don't. We're not, like, customer service. Like, yeah, we're great to our customer therapists, no. But like, if you want to be rude to our staff, like, you're not, you want, you want. Nobody's gonna be mean to you. But like, I allow them to have dialog. Like, why? Like, why? Yeah, why do you feel it necessary to spend your time to reach out and talk like,

Alex Ferrari 11:27
I've said the same thing. I'm like, I there's a lot of things I disagree with in this world, right? And I don't go to those channels or those emails or those websites or watch that content and then go in and go, You know what, mother, like, it's I don't have the time. Don't have the time. Don't go there. I just don't go there.

Marisa Liza Pell 11:42
Just don't go there. It's not watch, just don't go there.

Alex Ferrari 11:44
Exactly. It's, you know, it's, it's fascinating.

Marisa Liza Pell 11:48
I have this belief, like, because I'm a business owner, I'm really into supporting small business and people being entrepreneurs, because I've been for almost 30 years, right? So even if I get really bad service, or even if something really, like, I believe wrong happens, like, I will not go online and batch that business because I support small business. I will go to them directly. But when people say they support small business, or there are business owners and then go on and try to, like, fluff it around and like, Oh, I'm so nice, and I'm just writing comments. Oh, by the way, let me write these comments about a business. It's just like you're not really supporting I guess you know what I'm saying.

Alex Ferrari 12:25
I get it. I know exactly. One thing from our last conversation that you know I came out of our last conversation is when we were talking, you know, I told you like, you know, I don't ask, I generally don't ask for any readings. You know that he did, no, but wait, wait, there's a reason. Yeah, I generally don't, because I have, I have a lot of psychic friends, psychic friends,

Marisa Liza Pell 12:48
Psychic friends network.

Alex Ferrari 12:48
Yeah, there's this lady called Miss Cleo,

Marisa Liza Pell 12:48
Did you remember Miss Cleo?

Alex Ferrari 12:48
Of course, I remember Miss Cleo, yeah.

Marisa Liza Pell 12:48
Did you ever call the 1-800 number?

Alex Ferrari 12:48
I never called Miss Leo. I might have called some other ones, but I might have called some other ones, but I never call Miss Cleo. This is years. I mean, when I was my 20s,

Marisa Liza Pell 12:59
I can't imagine you calling the 1-800 psychic hotline I might have, I bet you did, though

Alex Ferrari 13:07
I might have one point or another

Marisa Liza Pell 13:09
Put the quarter in

Alex Ferrari 13:10
That time, in my 20s, I was so obsessed about the future, was terrified, and I just wanted to know when this was going to happen, or when that was going to happen. And it was almost an addiction, yeah, needed to find out constantly. So I was always in fear where now I'm not at all in fear of the future. And it's a funny thing is now I have access to some of the greatest psychic mediums and channelers in the world. I could call at any time I go, can you just read me? And they would do it for me. But I never, I never do. I never called them. It was kind of like when I started my first my first podcast, even when I first my foot. My first podcast was all about filmmakers. I'm talking Oscar winners and and directors and actors. And then I get to know these people, and I have access to them. I never once called Hey, can you connect me to Spielberg or hey, yeah, can you pitch? I just didn't take advantage of it because I wasn't in that place, right? 10 years earlier, I would have been, I would have been hounding them. I'm like, Hey, can you I would have been this desperation,

Marisa Liza Pell 14:07
Because the control you had such a feeling of being out of control inside correct, you just wanted some relief of knowing what's coming.

Alex Ferrari 14:15
Exactly. So that is a danger of psychic mediums, channelers and and spiritual leaders in general, when you when the person gets obsessed, or gets really addicted to needing to know well that you're now giving your power to something outside of yourself you should be looking within now, there are moment you absolutely need teachers. You absolutely need people to help you, guide you along the way, and people can kind of show you, hey, this is what I've learned, or read this book, or take this course, or something like that. That's different, because you're on your journey to go inside and understand these things. But if you're constantly giving your power away, this is a problem you should look into. Would you agree as a psychic medium?

Marisa Liza Pell 14:56
Well, that's why I stopped for three years, right? Because I realized it wasn't helping people to really, really stop the patterning that was going on.

Alex Ferrari 15:04
You told me that in the last one. So the reason was, I brought up the last one is because when you when I started, when we started, like, I'm not gonna ask you anything

Marisa Liza Pell 15:06
You like, what you started with that. You're like, I just wanted to. I'm like, It's okay if you do, just let me know. Like, no, no, no,

Alex Ferrari 15:16
I just don't, yeah. Then we had this kind of report going on, and you were talking so much about what you like your time on morning radio, and you were like, under the gun all the time. And you were like, really this fast, accurate psychic. I'm like, Well, I mean, let's have some fun, then let's see what you can do. I mean, you're putting it out there, and I've yet to I mean, I know a lot of psychics, your ability is so fast and so accurate. It was, it was kind of fast, it was kind of weird. Was kind of weird, how fast and accurate, because you were like, it was like a machine gun. It's like a Gatling gun of information, like with this and this and this and this and this and this. I haven't looked at our interview since we did it, so I don't remember the exact detail, but I remember the feeling. I'm like, son of a How does she like Jesus? And it's not one thing was right? Was like, boom, boom, boom, boom. It was, like, really interesting to see. I was like, wow, this is, this is so much fun. It was so much fun. So it was, it was really fascinating. So you stopped for three years for a reason, right? You stopped doing readings.

Marisa Liza Pell 16:15
Yeah, I stopped doing mediumship. I love how your grandfather. A lot of people had emailed in actually, about your grandfather's personality and how they love people. People love that.

Alex Ferrari 16:23
Yeah, you're the one that was when grandpa showed up and he's like, hey, you know what? I'm tired of grandma always taking up the heat. I want some action.

Marisa Liza Pell 16:29
Yeah, that's right. He came in and he talked about the most random things,

Alex Ferrari 16:32
Yeah, like, my, is it my underwear? Yeah?

Marisa Liza Pell 16:36
And you're like, the way you did, I think I don't

Alex Ferrari 16:38
My goatee. He doesn't like the goatee because he was a mustache guy, yeah? And he's like, he was a boxer dollar.

Marisa Liza Pell 16:45
He was giving you, like, and you were like, oh, yeah, he was real weird with his money.

Alex Ferrari 16:48
He was,yeah, he was very weird with his money. And he said to me, you said to me that he's like, yeah, he doesn't like your underwear because he was a boxers guy. I'm like, what is happening right now? Is happening. This is what happened people. People did love my grand, like, the grandfather, grandpa, yeah.

Marisa Liza Pell 17:07
Because this whole personality came through, like, instead how it is,

Alex Ferrari 17:10
And grandma was there, but she's just like, yeah. She's let him go. She's like, give it to him, yeah? Because she's always the one that whenever a medium does, like, do a reading on me on the air, grandma's usually the one that shows up and and my animals show up or something along those lines. Those are the ones that usually are always there. I assume she's here with me. We're not I'm not gonna ask you, but, of course I will later. I'm joking, but maybe not.

Marisa Liza Pell 17:35
I'm just not gonna believe like, I'll just, I'll just wait. I just gonna, like, you could do any

Alex Ferrari 17:40
It's just so much fun with you. I just like it. Love your energy. So much. So yeah, so that was a really, really interesting experience for me. So you stopped.

Marisa Liza Pell 17:51
Well, I want to ask you something real quick.

Alex Ferrari 17:53
Okay, let's do it.

Marisa Liza Pell 17:54
Yeah, let's do it. So sometimes I don't know if you wrote down, sometimes a lot of the details that come in, you find out, like, maybe two weeks later, a month later. So did anything, actually? I know there were some things that were edited out.

Alex Ferrari 18:07
They got a little too personal.

Marisa Liza Pell 18:09
But did, did some of those things make sense to you?

Alex Ferrari 18:12
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. So I was texting you back and forth for a little while.

Marisa Liza Pell 18:16
I don't think we talked about that.

Alex Ferrari 18:17
No, talking about their stuff, yeah, yeah. It was, it was, um, yeah. Because again, and people don't understand this about psychics. They expect everything to be accurate right away. And sometimes they'll say something like, do you know of a is there's a horse, there's a horse, there's a horse. And you're like, what is there's no horses. And then three weeks later, a horse somewhere comes into play, like, Oh my God, my dog was run over by a horse, like, and all of a sudden, that horse thing

Marisa Liza Pell 18:45
I was run over by a horse that would be a great it's dark validation. It was not so much for the dog was run over by a horse, really.

Alex Ferrari 19:03
So you just highway, I see a horse all the time. There's a horse, there's some something's happening on a horse. I can't see anything else but the horse. And you're like, I don't even have a horse. And then all of a sudden, three weeks later, it's a very graphic way of looking at it, but just in the Wild West, obviously, obviously,

Marisa Liza Pell 19:23
I had somebody write something in their journal nine years later. They would, they would come to me once a year. Nine years later, it happened nine years

Alex Ferrari 19:32
It's interesting, is it? Because that's the thing that people don't get, is like you're you're just getting impressions of things that are coming, and you really don't know when sometimes the timing is off, but sometimes it's just, like they the person getting the reading just doesn't get it at the moment, until, like, I had, I had a reading once that I was it floored me. It was, won't say who it was, but he was on the show, and he gave me a live reading. And we're like, yeah, this will be fun. Let's do a live reading or something like that. And so I think. The first one I did on air, yeah, and he told me stuff that three people on the planet knew me, my wife and my mom, and my mom had just told me the story two weeks earlier, yeah. And he, he said this, and it was, it had to do with my my relatives, and it was a story. I was like, what? And I called my mom, like, right after I hung up with him, I was like, You won't believe what this person just said. And she's like, Are you kidding me? And then when the episode came out, she's like, I can't believe it. But if he would have done that two weeks before, I would have been like, I don't know what you're talking about, right? But that, but the truth is there so it just, it's all relative, like, sometimes the information so advanced that you won't know how it means to you. You're like, is there a bob in your room? Is there a bob? Like, I don't know a bob. Then you talk to your mom a week later, like, oh yeah, Uncle William. I'm like, William, yeah. His name's William. No, Bob. So yeah, you see what I mean.

Marisa Liza Pell 20:54
It's, I call it psychic amnesia. When people, they come in, they have all the jewelry stuffed in there, in their jeans. They have the family photo. They have because they are already tunnel vision on what they want to hear, what what spirit needs to tell them what's going to come through. And I'm like, if you just let it all go, magic is going to happen, you know? Plus, psychic stuff is very AM, AM FM station. Psychic stuff is very different the mediumship stuff. It's a whole different experience. So if you're getting psychic reading or intuitive channel session, that's a whole different frequency than somebody coming through on the other side, very different experience.

Alex Ferrari 21:31
And but when you're getting psychic information, where are you getting it from if it's not from spirit,

Marisa Liza Pell 21:31
This is from the collective like and from the earth plane and from the energies that are going on in your world,

Alex Ferrari 21:42
In your spirit guides and your higher self and those kind of things?

Marisa Liza Pell 21:45
And your life map, pretty much

Alex Ferrari 21:47
Got it, yeah, and then the medium is like, Uncle Bob?

Marisa Liza Pell 21:49
That's like, you're you're sitting down and you're receiving energy. So it's more like, instead of speaking from a stage, you're in the audience and you're receiving so I can be sitting here talking to you, and you think I'm talking to you, but really, I'm really listening. So it's a, it's like a reverse channel versus a forward channel. I call it the AM/FM station. So I could switch back and forth that not all people that do psychic work are doing mediumship work. It's a very different distinction. Yeah, and you can't be a medium without being a psychic. Well, you have to receive all sorts of psychic information, yes, but it's, it's very different in terms of even how you would experience it, because when grandpa came through, you're almost experiencing him, his personality, he's there. I feel like I'm meeting him. But with the other stuff, it's more like pure informational stuff that's between us on the earth plane, my energy is going forward. We're with the mediumship. It's going in reverse. So it's a very different process, very different energy. Well, even for me to experience it, I have to do a totally like, yeah, you won't, you won't know that I'm doing it, but I'm actually tuning into a different frequency completely. And the actual method is different, interesting. Okay, so what they tell us, they already have a have a full view of what's going on, where the psychic stuff is. It's more like the decisions you're making, then I could see kind of what's on that highway, what exit you're going off. If you change direction, we got to look into a different lane,

Alex Ferrari 23:14
which, again, and that's the other thing about psychic right? Is that you have free

Marisa Liza Pell 23:18
will, right? We have certain Destiny points we need to hit on this earth with our phone. I call a mile marker. Mile markers right on your path. Yeah, but that's what the That's why I brought so much about the somatic healing work last time, is because you really have a choice of what type of experience you're having here in the world. If you do the work you need to

Alex Ferrari 23:38
do, which is not fun,

Marisa Liza Pell 23:40
people think they're doing the work. And they're like, you know, well, I've read all these books and I've done all this Reiki, and I've done gone to these spas and these retreats. I'm like, well, is your life changing? Well, no, I'm still repeating these patterns. Well, then, then you're not doing work. Like, great job. More information, especially now, is not going to get you anywhere. Like, just stop, just stop. Just stop. Stop it. Stop reading the books. Stop listening. Then the more you put on there, the more you put on the plate, the more overwhelmed you're gonna get. Your nervous system is gonna get.

Alex Ferrari 24:10
And I mean, for me, like, I mean, I obviously, I do a show like this, and I'm putting a lot of information out there, and there are moments in your path that you do need to kind of hear ideas and hear stories and lead you down certain paths, but when it becomes so much that you're not doing any of the way, like, if it's just edutainment, and you're just kind of just watching it and just letting it wash over you, you're not doing anything with it, because we, you know, this conversation, they'll probably be a couple of nuggets of gold out there. Yeah, that'd be thrown out, but that's going to cost work. Yeah. Are you going to apply it? Are you going to actually? So the perfect first nugget is, like, you got to do the work. That's but most people don't want to do because, one, they're either don't want to do it. Secondly, they're terrified of doing it, because doing the work means you're going to have to go in and dig up all the crap and all the things that you've been hiding. And things you don't even know are hiding will start to come to surface. That's why ayahuasca and shadow work. Or was it dark medicine or dark retreats? When you just sit in a room, a dark room for six days.

Marisa Liza Pell 25:11
That sounds traumatizing.

Alex Ferrari 25:13
It is about when you're when you have nothing else to see but yourself, and you have nowhere to go. Your brain just, I mean, it breaks down because now you're forced, you would like this. You're forced to look at yourself in the mirror, yeah, and it's, it's very, very impact. And that's why, like ayahuasca and psilocybin, these kind of things, they force you, you know that take you on a ride. I mean, I've never done either of them, but I can imagine it's a yogi once who was on the show said this about that, about psychedelics. He's like, Well, when you when you take a psychedelics, like taking a sledgehammer to the wall to get a window, to get a hole, to see the other side. When you meditate, it's like placing a window in it. I thought that was so beautiful. One's a lot longer, lot more work, right? But you'll be ready. It's a slow ramp up, as opposed to a yeah punch in the face.

Marisa Liza Pell 26:13
Or we could just do the middle ground, which is, which is what I do?

Alex Ferrari 26:16
Okay, tell me,

Marisa Liza Pell 26:17
Yeah. I talked about the last 11 years, like, I do that a lot of channel transmissions and

Alex Ferrari 26:23
Trans channel, right? Are you trans channel?

Marisa Liza Pell 26:25
No, I don't do trans channel. You know? You just channel, yeah, I get, I get the information about humanity, where we are, what got it and what came to me was very interesting in the past month, about life, where the earth is going. So, like, we're kind of screwed. So I'll just put it out there, right? All right. I don't like whatever like, I'm not gonna be all like, woo, woo, like in the clouds, because that's not where we're at. Even light workers now are being called to ground, right? Yes. Don't be like you want to. It's not time to go do a Reiki healing practice. It's not time to go further out into the Ethernet, the ether, whatever it's time to come back home, because the Earth is in trouble. So this isn't about like your Personal Dreams and Goals anymore. It's about like the Earth is in trouble. Humanity is in trouble, and the earth is plummeting. And frequency and disconnection, we're going further and further down and disconnection, right? So a lot of people think there's a divide here, but really the divide is in frequency, right? So, right. So 10, 11, 12 years ago, the fear grids here, and people are here that are elevating. They're doing the work. They're doing the psychic mediumship work like what I was doing, and we could affect people here at the in the grid right now, the fear grid is down here, right? People, people, you can't, you can't even get to these people anymore, because they're so spiraled down into the grid frequency, yes. So that's where the earth is going. And for the last I call it the the elevation years, the past 11 years, it was a period of time where highly sensitive people that were born highly sensitive and who had trauma, this could be big T, little T traumas. In the last 11 years, they have been trying to move through their patterns. They've been trying to do everything to move through their patterns. They've done personal development work. They've done it all up. And so it was getting them ready for where we are now. And I'm what I wondered, like, why did the universe want me to stop doing psychic mediumship work? Stop it for three years, go on a sabbatical, go do the personal somatic expansion work. And now I'm doing a lot more science, like with the vagus nerve work and and helping people heal the trauma, all that stuff. I knew there was a third part to it, and I'm like, I It wasn't revealed, but it just was revealed about a month ago. Why? Why we had to do this? The reason we have to do this is because we have to go back through our bodies, through the chakras in reverse, move through all those layers of trauma to get the light body and the pillar of light body activated again, ground it to the earth grid. And then, then we could start back our work, the work that we're here for the purpose work, right? We need as many of those light pillars on the earth to then to come back on. We need all because they're going to be the leaders of consciousness, right? So my job is to get the people that are drawn to come and do this work to help them step into their purpose by reactivating their somatic body into the Light Grid. I know it's like such a more advanced thing that I'm talking about. We need as many of those pillars of light activated as possible to start to bring the earth back on right?

Alex Ferrari 29:46
It's the more people awaken, the better it is for everybody.

Marisa Liza Pell 29:51
So my job is to bring leaders back into leadership, but if they keep going back out there, I can't any they need to come back home through the body.

Alex Ferrari 29:51
You know what's interesting. The one thing I've heard, actually, this has been coming up again and again in conversations off air and on. It's about grounding, yeah, the grounding of the energy, the grounding of your energy is is so important, especially on a spiritual standpoint, is to ground yourself, because if you don't ground yourself, you're kind of this, like, loosey goosey thing energetically. And like, I ground myself with ground on a physical standpoint, I ground myself all the time. I sleep with a grounding mat and, oh, wow, yeah. And it helps. It does so much, yeah.

Marisa Liza Pell 30:37
I got to teach you some exercises after this. Okay? I will teach me to, yeah, you'll want to go to bed so well.

Alex Ferrari 30:44
I mean, I literally, if you could see it right there on the floor, and the other set I have, there's a right there on the floor, there's a grounding strap. Oh, so I usually am grounded as much as I can when I'm working and stuff like that. And it's helped dramatically, helps with inflammation, all that kind of stuff. But honestly, I never really thought about it on a spiritual standpoint. And on a spiritual standpoint, I was talking to a guru the other day, and they were talking about the importance of grounding your energy and connecting to Mother Earth and because it will stabilize you. It's like putting roots down. Is that what you're kind of talking about?

Marisa Liza Pell 31:19
It's more if I'm going to get back to my impact and purpose. I'm right now, when the earth is where it is, like, my job is to help raise consciousness. It's not about me giving a reading anymore. It's not about me connecting to the other side, to give people hope, like we all know that that exists now, like we've already been through that period of the past 11 years. My job is to get people back home in the body, because the body actually has the DNA in it, which holds our mission of why we chose this body to complete the mission. But we got to come home, and so I have to take people down from up here, because most people live up here, right? They're living in the mental space, sure, and I lived out of there for most of my career, because I wasn't comfortable coming back home, right?

Alex Ferrari 32:04
So stop there for a second. So yeah, most people are living in their mental space. When you say you're out of here, that means you're basically in in the full Woo, if you will, kind of like, Are you, like, spiritually, you're out there. You're, like, constantly searching for things outside, or, you know, reading too many books, or getting to look, what is it? What do you mean by

Marisa Liza Pell 32:22
Associated, disconnected, yeah, just completely checked out to where, like you're just numb, like you're not even, you're not here,

Alex Ferrari 32:27
You're not even mental. It's like, now you're not even the mental.

Marisa Liza Pell 32:31
Most people that have do my work at we're comfortable not being in the body, right? That's like a of course, of course, with my history and where I came from and everything else, of course, I'm going to be more comfortable and more talented out of the body, but that's not going to serve where the Earth's going right now. So all light workers right now are being called to come home so that we can, we can get ourselves back down in the body, activate the whole light pillar grid, turn on the light and then help others to turn on their light, because that's the only way that the universe is going to raise in consciousness.

Alex Ferrari 33:11
What do you mean by the light pillar grid? Does that means your chakras in general?

Marisa Liza Pell 33:14
Yes. So can I talk about your energy?

Alex Ferrari 33:17
Why not?

Marisa Liza Pell 33:18
Okay, all right. So remember I told you, you're stuck, like, right here, right? So what I would do, like, if we actually went back down, it's like taking a jackhammer and going through those layers. It's like, if you have a paved road from the 1800s and you're trying to fix a pipe that's down there, right? You have to go through the layers of, like, pavement, sure, right around the gravel and so on. Yeah. So some people are like, here, and they're like, I let go of you. Know, they'll tell me, I've let it go. The people that hurt me in my life, I'm like, well, your body hasn't your body hasn't let it go. The energy is still there. So your full purpose cannot be realized until we take you down the chakras, jackhammer, all those layers all the way down and light up that channel, right? The whole pillar of light, because that holds the DNA, it holds the mission, holds your complete purpose. If we did that work with you, right, you would be doing something a little bit different, which is, well, we have to see that's your journey. Well, I

Alex Ferrari 34:18
mean, I'm going to keep this is obviously where I'm supposed to be, but like it would, it would expand. And so, you know, I'm stuck here correct in the so that means that there's energy here that I am not your diaphragm, yes, and stomach, yeah, is there's energy there that I'm not letting go.

Marisa Liza Pell 34:34
Well, you're not deciding. Of course, you you would let it go if you could decide to let it go. A lot of people think because they've like, Oh, I've forgiven that person, or I've let it go, right? But their body hasn't? They just kind of checked out from it. Do you know what I'm saying? They really haven't. We don't actually process things into like, if you're if you go to, like, talk to your friend about a problem, it's. Really going to solve the problem. It helps to relieve some of that stuff, but we actually have to solve it through the body. And how can mentally process that? Those are the somatics. That's where the science comes in.

Alex Ferrari 35:12
Okay. So how do you like? Okay, so give me as an use me as an example. How would I break through?

Marisa Liza Pell 35:16
Yeah, I would give you a series of somatic exercises to do, like one exercise in intensity. We would, we would raise that intensity every month, right? And so I would say, Here, do this for 30 days. We would start you doing that somatic work 60 seconds a day. But I have to know what state you live in, everybody's individual, right? So I work with you, and I'd say, just do this for 30 days. And you would see things would just start happening. Yeah, yeah, you're it's almost like intuition doesn't work in a vacuum. So people think intuition is static, like, oh, I have a decision to make. I need to tune into my intuition. Right? Intuition really is meant to be in motion. So as you taking steps forward and moving toward your purpose, intuition consistently aligns as you continue to move forward, but if you just sitting there, it doesn't come in. Well, it can, but it's not like getting the answer. Like people. I've talked to a lot of people, like, well, I don't know what my purpose is. Well, if I told you what it was, I guarantee you, because your inner capacity is so limited that you wouldn't even be able to fathom what I'm saying. Like your true purpose is so much more than you even could even think of right now. You're talking about me, personally, everyone. Oh, okay, everybody. So it's like, for somebody who has, hasn't ever really broken through some of this stuff, and I'm like, Oh, your purpose, psychically, is to be this big speaker on a stage. And they're like, I'm sitting home with four kids doing laundry every day. Like, what are you talking about? Like they can't even fathom, you know? Oh, I know. So it's kind of like you can get the information, but stepping into the purpose, stepping into it, taking the action, is where you need the somatic work.

Alex Ferrari 36:55
Well, because, again, we'll use me as an example. When I was I was told that I have to do this work, open up a spiritual podcast, and yes, kind of craziness. I was just like, No, you are you're out of your mind. You know, it was my spiritual teacher told me to do it. I'm like, You're crazy. And she's like, No, you have to do it, and this is your mission. And then she told me about a mission, and I'm like, What are you talking about, right? Filmmaker. I'm like, no one's gonna listen to me, right? And then I did it, and we went down the path, and then three years later, we have a million subscribers, and I'm like, what is happening?

Marisa Liza Pell 37:28
And how did that happen? It happened static, or did it happen in motion?

Alex Ferrari 37:31
Oh, no, it's well, this is that. This is what happened. I had the show open for about four or five months, then I shut it down for three months. A lot of people don't know this. Early on, I shut it down. I was terrified because I didn't want to talk to weirdos like yourself.

Marisa Liza Pell 37:44
So, I mean, this is insane, but you're not a weirdo, right? But, no, I love your alpha, by the way, today, thank you. It looks great.

Alex Ferrari 37:52
This is a traditional guayabera. It's okay. It's a Cuban shirt from Little Havana in Miami. I just didn't my other shirts.

Marisa Liza Pell 37:59
You feel like the energy. I feel like you put it on today, and you were, like, the energy, because you were, you were gonna pick out another one.

Alex Ferrari 38:04
I picked out another one. I got it from the dry cleaners, which my normal shirt. And people always ask, Why do you like, like? Because I don't want to think about stuff. So I just just put the same stuff on, all right, right? And I was like, Yeah, you know what? This didn't something happened in the dry cleaner. It didn't look exactly the way I wanted. It was like, you know, I kind of like this one. This was a little bit more fun and has a little bit more of a different energy. But I appreciate the comment. Thank you so much.

Marisa Liza Pell 38:26
Yes, but I feel, I feel like you changed the shirt. I did. I know I did. I changed. I went back to I went to this, because this is this. I feel like this is a representation of, like, your my Cuban, excited energy, yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 38:40
No, I literally, I talked to my wife. I'm like, did I get this? So, yeah, you got this in Miami when we were there last so for all the Latinos in the in the crowd, I'm sure we'll get a few comments. They're like, Oh, Cubans. This is a traditional Cuban shirt. And I could tell you all sorts of stories about pockets and stuff. I learned, no, no, no, it's okay. It's fine. What were we talking about before the wife?

Marisa Liza Pell 39:07
We were talking about intuition, emotion, okay, and how, like, you had to start on the path to the podcast to get to where you are three years later.

Alex Ferrari 39:15
So I stopped it. So I did, like, one a week, maybe one every two weeks, and then I don't do once a month. And if anyone knows the kind of content I put out, you know I wasn't all in, okay, well, I don't know. I know I usually did. I had my peak. I was doing four to five episodes a week. I don't know how you do it. I didn't know so, but I stopped. And then my teacher told me, Hey, you you gotta, you know, poop or get off the pot. And did they? She literally did that. And because this has to get done, and if you don't do it, someone else is going to I was like, All right, I guess I gotta do it. And then I took a leap of faith. It's a very important part. It was a very pivotal moment in my life, because I decided to take a leap of faith and just trust that God was going to take me, the universe was going to take. Me on a ride and protect my family, protect me, because all of my money was being made in my other shows, right? And and talking to weirdos like yourself could threaten that filmmaking world that I'm coming from, because Hollywood, you don't do this kind of stuff, as woo as they all are. You can't talk about God. You can't talk about God in Hollywood like it's very difficult, I know, but if you say Jesus, God for you're done, you're done, you just can't it's weird. It's very weird. Okay, so then I went all in, and then yada yada yada, a million subscribers later, but it was just this motion was like, boom, boom, boom, boom,

Marisa Liza Pell 40:35
Right! And you had to align as you went along. And you couldn't have sat there like static in with no motion, and have projected what this is today by sitting there, no, of course, and being like, I'm not going to start until I get the perfect answer or the perfect intuition about what to do, like you just had to go.

Alex Ferrari 40:54
But you know what? You know what I mean, but you know what's funny? That's exactly what I did in my filmmaking career, for most of my film, okay, career, yeah, because I would say, I'm like, I need this actor. If I can't get this actor, I can't make the movie. I need $7 million to make my movie. I'm like, you're out of here. Like, I look back. I'm like, You're you stupid. No one's giving you seven million.

Marisa Liza Pell 41:11
Well, the control you're talking about, you call the psychics for the control you were. You had to control, right?

Alex Ferrari 41:16
Exactly. So I was this whole thing. But the moment I had this moment when I did my first movie. I was like, oh, wait a minute. I just turned 40, I think, at the time. And I was like, I got, I gotta make a movie. 30 days later, I was shooting a movie. 30 days later, I just didn't I just like, I'm called my friend. Up. We're making a movie. Yeah, call your friends. And we just literally made our first movie. My first movie was called, This is Meg, which is on Next Level Soul TV, if anybody wants to watch. And it's And funny enough, in that movie, there's so much spirituality in it, I had no idea I was doing it.

Marisa Liza Pell 41:50
And now you look back, right? It's all there.

Alex Ferrari 41:53
The opening scene, like our main characters listening to a guru on an iPad, like it's like a Tony Robbins kind of Eckhart Tolle vibe. It's a spoof of what a guru is supposed to be. And then there's an Ayahuasca scene in it, and there's, like, this Hollywood, Hollywood spirituality scene in it. I was like, I look back, I'm like, Oh my God, this movie is about spiritual

Marisa Liza Pell 42:13
Yeah, all my clues are there. It's all there, all the glimmers, all the little like diamonds, is there.

Alex Ferrari 42:19
But that was one of those things that I just went out and did it, and all of a sudden, things just start sudden, things just started right, just opened up. That's how a lot it works. About work. It's about you have to take motion. You have to take action.

Marisa Liza Pell 42:29
And that's where the somatics comes in. Because people only have limited capacity. You can make a million dollars a year and still have limited capacity on your nervous system, absolutely and not be able to like, your body's gonna shut down. It's going to tell yourself stories you don't have time, energy, money, whatever. It's going to shut down. It's going to give you anxiety symptoms. But you have to know that if you're going to scale the peak of the mountain, you're going to get triggered more than you've ever gotten triggered, and you're going to need the tools to get through that to the other side, because all of us have big work to do. All of us have a lot of work to do.

Alex Ferrari 43:00
And that's the thing that people don't understand. Everyone thinks that, like, I need to save the world. I'm like, No, you need to save yourself, yourself. And once you're able to do that, your example will start lighting up people around you. And that's how only that's the only way change really happens, because you can't say you can't save the world. No one person, really, other than Jesus, no, no, but not one per or Buddha, but not one single person can save the entire planet. You You can do your part, and you are an integral part of that process, but the key is to awaken yourself and then not to try to convert other people, help other people. But just your example, your energy, your vibration, will start to ripple. Which does that make sense?

Marisa Liza Pell 43:46
Yeah, I can't tell you how many people watched the last show that we did, and they were like, there was a missing piece that I was missing. And just that information shifts things, just that information that the somatics might be the missing piece for them will shift. Will shift. It instantly, because now they know where they have to look. You know, so many people have come to me and be like, Man, I've been to so many therapists. I've been to nobody ever told me this. Nobody ever told me this in school. Nobody ever told me that the nervous system is the key to like, really what I call the second intuition, which is in the solar plexus.

Alex Ferrari 44:21
Explain that. So explain that, because the nervous system is really interesting, yes, because I, I've, I've, I've done a lot of my own research on the nervous system right, purely because of the channelers and the psychic mediums that I've dealt with, because I've been explained and told that you have to kind of prime your system to be able to handle energies like that to come in, it takes a minute for you to prime in. So a lot of times smaller energies, or training energies, or like, let's say, for channel, a training entity, positive energy will come in. Get you ready for the big boy that's going to come in, or the big girl, they'll come in, because if they'll fry you, they'll fry you. You come in same thing with psychic mediumship, but also in meditation. As you meditate, you raise your vibration slowly and slowly and slowly over the years, you're priming your your nervous system to handle higher levels of energy and frequency. That's all makes sense.

Marisa Liza Pell 45:18
It makes sense. I think everybody just talks about it a little different. Yeah, it makes, it makes a lot of sense. It's just like, if somebody has just, I see a lot of higher high achievers like this, people that are the doers of the world. They're always doing, always going, always producing. But everything looks great on paper, but they know that there's a void inside. They're like, something's missing. I don't know what it is, and what they really need is internal space, not any more externals. They need internal space because they actually are seeking connection. That's what we all want. We want to get back to connection, right? We've been living in disconnection, even with all of our producing, all of our doing, all of our going, it didn't ever scratch the itch. There's always more, always needing more, raising the bar, doing the next project.

Alex Ferrari 46:07
Well, that's why billionaires are like, I only have 2 billion. I really need 4 billion. I'm like, but you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't at all. Like, at a certain point, how much do you truly need? There's this kind of there. It's an endless some of these very famous billionaires, you just sit there and go, are they happy? Like, are they true? I mean, because they're just constantly trying to fill a void that will never be filled with money no matter the nervous system, if not. Yeah, if you're a trillionaire, which we will probably see a trillionaire in our lifetimes, which is insane,

Marisa Liza Pell 46:35
What they're looking for is, and I, I hear a lot of people talking about this, about people in Hollywood, you know, actors who are like,

Alex Ferrari 46:47
Oh yeah, I won the Oscar now what?,

Marisa Liza Pell 46:48
Yeah, now what?

Alex Ferrari 46:49
Oh yeah. I know those guys.

Marisa Liza Pell 46:51
They can't even savor that moment or take space with that moment, because there's no connection to themselves. People talk about intuition, which is like reading other people, but like we could talk about safety or threat, that's, that's part of the somatics that I talk about. But then there's a second intuition, which is intuition for ourselves we're supposed to be doing, which usually, if the nervous system is stuck, that intuition is turned off. And that's for me, like I was reading 1000s of people over my years, but for myself, my life was a mess for a really long time, and I couldn't really turn that part on. And so the somatic work helps, helps you get back to your own intuition, so that you get back into your own alignment, to your purpose, into that fulfillment, because that's really achievable in the nervous system. It's called the ventral vagal state.

Alex Ferrari 47:41
What something like my I just had, like, a slight aha moment when you said that we're all going back to connection. We're all thrive, striving for connection. Yeah, it is. It's such a simple idea, but so profound. Because on the other side, after all the near death experiencers I've spoken to, yeah, there is instant connection to the one you are, one, the understanding of we are all interconnected. It's just such a of course, on the other side here, we're thrown into something, and we have the illusion of this connection. We have the illusion that you and me are not connected in one way, shape or form, but if I hurt you, I'm hurting myself and vice versa, right? That is such a powerful thing. And then what did we do? We create social media as a kind of a faux version, or a proxy to connection, because I could have a million followers, but that's not real connection. That's just likes. And, you know, it's back in, like, my MySpace days, you know, when you're in my space, like, How many friends do you have? Like, how many, I mean, like, but you're not connecting. So we're more connected than we've ever been, but the loneliest we've ever been.

Marisa Liza Pell 48:49
Well, that's where the universe made a choice, because we've always been in a war of dark and light. There's always been a war, yeah, but recently, after this 11 year period of what I call the elevation period. Now the people that were being primed to lead usually had trauma, and moving through it, we're at the earth did make a choice, and the choice is that it's going deeper and deeper into disconnection. And if you look at you're going to see a lot of renovating happening in the world, a lot of construction, a lot of things that are brighter lights and bigger things, and, you know, more monstrosities. But you're going to go to some of these places and think, Oh, my God, there's no soul. There's no soul. And during this soul, this solo pilgrimage that I've just done, really tested my system. I wouldn't be able to do this five years ago. But where I found the connection and where I found the soul was not in the big cities. It wasn't in the lights, it wasn't in the sounds. It was in the small, little places off the beaten path of just meeting people and sharing my story or sharing their story, moments of connection. Yeah, and so right now it's not about people's journey. It's not about individual journeys. It's not even about my individual journey. I know right now what I'm supposed to be doing their souls that are supposed to be guided to me, that I'm supposed to help get them back to their creativity, to their impact, to their purpose, help them to reactivate the light pillar, help their chakra system to become clear again, so that they can channel on their own. And then get that light grid turned back on for them. Get as many lights pillars turned on in the earth that I can, because those are going to those people are going to lead into their purpose. They're going to be leaders for other people. So we need to turn on as many of those switches as we can. And so I want to call even the mediums, the psychics out there, the light workers come back home, because your gifts are going to be even better and more in tune, and more you're going to know exactly what you're meant to do. We're meant to have more elevation in the work. It's not about giving people readings. It's not about giving people messages. Now it's about getting people where they're supposed to be to lead the planet. And everybody has a purpose. Everybody has a mission. The problem is, and I'm a lover of technology, you know that we talked about that? I love tech. I love it. But when I look at this intuitively in a channeled way, that's where the dark forces are keeping people in a trance and spiraling them down with media, with social media, with news, all that stuff. I tell people three things you want to shift your vibration instantly. Stop watching the news for five days. See what happens. Absolutely right. Be aware of what you speak because a lot of people don't realize they talk negatively about themselves. Oh, they speak about medical conditions and chaos. That's how people feel that they connect with other people. When they talk about chaos and drama, that's how people think that they connect with other people.

Alex Ferrari 52:01
Let me ask you,

Marisa Liza Pell 52:01
It's true.

Alex Ferrari 52:02
I know I'm laughing because

Marisa Liza Pell 52:06
They're laughing. It's all about all the horrible things.

Alex Ferrari 52:09
The funny thing is, like, I have friends who they call their parents, and the first thing like, Well, my hip is out, and funeral, I'm going to Bob died. Yes, Bob died. You didn't believe Bob died. He was so young, and yeah, and it's like, yeah, my gerd is acting up. I've got myself doing that, you know, recently, not recently, recently, but like, within the last year or two, like, you know, as you get a little older, certain things start a couple of the wagon, wagon wheels start to wobble a little bit more than they used to. Yeah, it was natural, but I started catching myself doing that. Like I'd call, I'd call somebody to hear that. Nobody wants to hear it. But I caught myself doing, what are you doing right now?

Marisa Liza Pell 52:51
It keeps you in a lower vibration. It does. And I tell people, the people that come into my program, right, the people that I work with, individually, like in a group, very small group, they have rules like and they're not used because people with chronic have chronic illnesses, they have chronic conditions, they have chronic trauma, whatever. But they're very talented individuals, right? These, these women that I work with, and I'm like, when you come in here, you can't mention medical conditions. They're so used to talking about their you can't say my this, if you start talking about a situation, about another person, I'm gonna raise my hand, like, trigger. No. Like, I teach them how to talk so their nervous system, you know, is trained. And then they go out in the world. They think, I'm like, trying to not let them say stuff. They go out into the world, and it happens to them, like, with another person, like, Oh, now I know why you're telling me to not have what I call temperamental lingo. It's like, do we need to give all the details of a chaotic situation and all the details about the surgery and all the details about the horrible things, like, when somebody says, How you doing, they don't want to, they're not they don't want to hear that.

Alex Ferrari 53:59
Well, you know, Marisa, what I find fascinating about you is the way you approach the work that you do. You're so no nonsense. It's kind of like a good teacher, a good call a teacher, rather than a word guru. But like a good teacher, a good mentor is someone who's going to call you on your crap in your face and do it with love,

Marisa Liza Pell 54:23
Yeah, total love. It's not judgment. My my mentor, my mentor is they don't, they don't feel judged.

Alex Ferrari 54:29
No, no, it's not, yeah, but you're doing it in such a beautiful like the thing that popped into my head as you were talking, I was coming up with this question, yeah, in my head was the scene in Empire Strikes Back with Yoda when he when he tells Luke, Luke's good, what's in that cave? He's like, Oh, you know, anything like you're gonna face yourself in there, kind of something along those lines, is like, and he puts his gun in. He's like, that won't help you. And that's when he meets Darth, Vader, and he meets him. And essentially, if anyone remembers, sorry for spoiler. Learn he slices Darth Vader's face mask off, or something like that with his lightsaber, and his face is there. It was such a profound, yeah, profound moment, moment in that movie. I don't even know how they got through, to be honest with you, it's such a profound moment, but it's but the way he kind of, like forced, like, not forced them, but kind of just told them, hey, you know, this is what's gonna happen. Yeah, be careful, you know. But you're gonna and only when, till it happens, do they go, Oh, that's what she meant.

Marisa Liza Pell 55:35
That's what she meant, yeah, and these are people that are older than me, like, a lot older, that are used. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But they're like, I can't talk about this. I'm like, No, you can't write about it. You can't write in the community about it. You can't share in a general way. Say, You know what, I'm having a hard time because family members going through something. We don't need to know all the details of what it is, because it brings down the group. And so we need to keep the group safe. You can only heal in safety, and when all that stuff's coming at you, it's not safe. So I tell people, that was the second thing. The third thing is, be aware of what you consume. If you're consuming activating stuff all the time,

Alex Ferrari 56:13
You mean like, you mean visual conception,

Marisa Liza Pell 56:15
No, I mean like, anything on social media, like, whatever. Be careful what you write, what like if you're writing on what you're reading, what you're writing, what you're watching and listening to and the news. Turn it off. You know, don't watch it well. It's a fear machine. And I Yeah, and people that start to do this work, they start to become a lot very relaxed. For the first time in their life. They start to, like, exhale. And then they'll be like, Why did I just feel relaxed? And then all of a sudden I had to go and, like, call someone to hear about their drama, or I had to, like, turn on TV. And I'm like, because your body feels unsafe relaxing. That's what it's protecting itself from. So you almost need to keep yourself just above level with some activation, to keep yourself in that state of fight or flight, in that survival state, which is horrible for you, which just it's keeping you here. And that's a lot of the leaders. A lot of the high achievers are here all the time, all the time, all the time. And so they start to we start to bring them in. And I could tell you, this journey is the best journey I've ever been on, and I'm still doing my work, because the more, the bigger the mountain is for me, the more team I need. Don't ever anybody. Don't ever listen to somebody that has no mentors and that doesn't have a team, because the you have your plateaus, but when you scale that mountain, that next mountain peak, and you're coming toward yours,

Alex Ferrari 57:36
What I find fascinating is I have family members that like all they do is watch the news all day. They're older, and they just watch news all day. And when I get on the phone with them, they'll, they'll tell me the like, Do you know what happened with this and this and this? I'm like, Yeah, I don't know. He goes, How are you not informed? How you this? And I always tell him the same thing, which is what the great Wayne Dyer said back in the day, Wayne Dyer, I loved Wayne. Yeah. He said, If the news is big enough, he'll get to me, right? Somebody will tell you, someone, if it's that important, yeah, someone is going to tell me.

Marisa Liza Pell 58:06
And do you really think people you'd mind? You really think if you go on the internet and start like debating politically, that you're going to change somebody's mind? Right now? No, you're just wasting time where you could be getting back to your purpose, your creativity and influencing the world, you're wasting time, and that's how the negative energies right now. It's not what people think. It's not like an evil entity that's going to show up. It's coming at people and in the trance, putting people in a trance with technology information, that's where people are going down the spiral. And then they're just vision.

Alex Ferrari 58:41
But there is, I mean, but there's a positive aspect to technology.

Marisa Liza Pell 58:44
Oh, I love technology,

Alex Ferrari 58:45
Of course, yeah, but it's just the kind of what you're doing, scrolling, yeah, I didn't experiment with social media years ago. I was like, You know what? I'm just gonna watch positive, like, spiritual stuff, and just what, I just only, only looked at that stuff, and I wanted to see what the algorithm and all of a sudden it would only feed me, like, you know, inspire, inspirational stuff, motivational stuff, spiritual stuff, and it would just do that. So all of a sudden my doom scrolling was like a spiritual scrolling, like, every everything, yeah, really positive. And that's what we try to do with our our social media, is try to help him. But I can see, like, if you, if you just and then the second second, I click the second I click on something negative. All of a sudden it just starts to feed you the negative stuff. Yeah, it's it's controlling. It's pretty insane what they've created.

Marisa Liza Pell 59:32
But even people right now who are only listening to positive podcasts and stuff, it's still keeping them away from the action and getting more and more information and all like stick to one mentor for a while, stick to one podcast. Stick to one source of

Alex Ferrari 59:47
This show is fantastic, yes,

Marisa Liza Pell 59:51
but it's almost like they think the more information they get, it's gonna move them forward

Alex Ferrari 59:56
From my personal experience when I was I. You know, going at the beginning of stages. So like when my mentor, I've known her since she was 23 my guru, and she's still alive and kicking. You love her because she is very similar to you.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:00:13
She from, where she from?

Alex Ferrari 1:00:15
I don't know where she's from. She's from Florida, but she is, oh it's nobody. She's 92 okay, so she doesn't care, but she's been like that all her life. Yeah, she just calls, you need to do this. You need to do that. Shut up. Get you know, yes, poop or get off the that's who she is. So when she started me on my journey, she's like, why don't you read this book? And you want to read this book, and she just little things. And I was such a baby at the time. I didn't I needed information to just the basic foundation. I didn't have, like, I didn't understand reincarnation. I didn't understand, you know, going, going into reincarnation, karma, chakras, like, real, base level, foundational stuff, and I needed to learn that you're educating yourself. You have to learn it. Then she handed me yoga Autobiography of a Yogi, and I'm like, What is this? Yeah, I don't understand any of this, just way too much for me. I'm gonna put that away. Yeah, I needed a decade to get back to it, because when I start, then when I got back, like, oh,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:01:19
Yeah, now you understand, yeah, foundation.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:20
You need a foundation. So there is moments on your journey that information is helpful. Oh, absolutely but yeah, with that said, You're absolutely right. At a certain point in your journey, you already know all the basics, so now you're just it's an echo chamber of the same stuff, or going to different podcasts or different books, or different this, or different that, thinking that the outside is going to help when you really need to watch a show, read a book and bring it in

Marisa Liza Pell 1:01:47
And then integrate it and do something about it,

Alex Ferrari 1:01:49
As opposed to just action. Actually, you have to spend the time, do the meditation, do the work within. You know, for me, when I when I wrote my first book about me almost making a $20 million movie for the mob that was so my god, I cried when I was writing it. I had no idea I was holding on to all that. And that's an example of what you're talking about, like this stuff, that energy never left me. I forgave the mobster who and the gangster who, you know, threatened my life for a year and and did all the horrible things that he did to me during that time, but I didn't. I apparently, didn't let go of it, and I didn't know, and this is really interesting, once I wrote that book, I realized, oh my god, that experience has been changing every decision I've made for the last 17 years, I was attracting the wrong people, wrong projects, why I would always get in the room with the big movie star and then womp, womp, I'm like, I'm good enough to get the damn thing go

Marisa Liza Pell 1:02:48
Because your capacity. I wasn't I wasn't there. You had limited capacity. We can't change our capacity. Explain that. Explain to that. I don't believe in the word self sabotage. A lot of people use it nowadays because it's essentially shaming yourself, like, you know better. But really, a lot of this stuff is subconscious. That's going on most most of it, right? So they're like, Oh, I'm self sabotaging. Well, if you knew you were, you wouldn't want to do it anyway. It's more like, I tell people No, it's more like you have limited capacity, and you don't have the capacity for it yet. That's all. You just don't have the capacity to reach the next level of vibration, hold it and maintain it and keep it. And that's why you see people like what happened with you, you, I call it blipping, where you get to that high level and drops get to that higher level drops.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:33
Oh, it's 17 years, right?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:03:35
But once you do, you come back in, you'll be able to hold it, because now your capacity window, it's it's like a little electric fence for dogs and cats, right? Doesn't matter. I love that. It doesn't matter. Like if you have a PhD, you make 500 grand a year. It doesn't matter your capacity and your nervous system, how you're born, how you were raised, up to six to 10 years of age. That carries with you, and that programming? Yeah, it's programming and results in your decision making. And the intuition, mostly for high achievers, is up here, constantly scanning threat and danger, threat and danger, safety and danger. It's I can most people that are highly sensitive, who have trauma, are able to their intuition is, is so talented, they're able to say, I don't like that guy. I don't like that. They're able to put when it comes to themselves. They can't do it. They can't see so that they externalize then, and they ask this person what they should do, and that person and call psychic and do this. But then their body continues to lead them down the familiar road, even though they know the red flags are there, they continue on anyway, because the body will always choose familiar over the unknown, even if the unknown is healthy, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:04:48
Yeah, because it's that we're programmed for that, right? I mean, we're wired as a species. That's right to stay we want known. We want because if we go into the unknown, the tiger will eat us. That's right. So. On a very reptilian, you know, primal

Marisa Liza Pell 1:05:03
If you're in fight or flight all the time, if you're in a ventral vagal state, though, which is what people in Hollywood are really looking for. They don't know it is a nervous system state, which is connection. That's what all of us want. But we're either in shutdown, fight or flight or in ventral. And when you get a taste of ventral, you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:23
Is that why? Because you're a former film major,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:05:28
Yes, correct, yes.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:29
So you and I can talk a little bit about this. Is that why we are when we were growing up in the 80s and the 90s, which was the best time ever. I mean, I speak humanity, apparently.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:05:41
Did you have garbage pill kids?

Alex Ferrari 1:05:42
Of course, I had the first series, second series, all of it.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:05:45
Do you know I found somebody on eBay that has, like, the wax packets with the gum, of course. Oh yeah, they're still around. Oh my god, I have to get some. Oh yeah, absolutely sorry. I took you off track.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:54
So no worries. So like in the 80s and the 90s, the movies that came out in those two decades were amazing. But the thing about those films that is lacking, I think, and today I wanted to ask your opinion on it, and this is on a broader topic of connection, is that those films were made by filmmakers and had original ideas, like the Goonies. Yeah, you know, the Goonies or et or Raiders, or, you know, any of those other than Spielberg films, but, you know, they were feeling they gave you a connection, a Gremlins, like there was, there was something that connected you. There was a there was an energy to those films. Why would they why they are aging so, so? Well, yeah, you know, I mean, some of them, obviously, are dated, but those films, for whatever reason, in those decades, seem to connect even the cartoons we grew up with. There was a connection where now it's like this. I've been watching on my Instagram. I was watching the other day how McDonald's and all the fast food joints looked in the 80s and 90s, and how they look now. Like, you know, a McDonald's back in the day was fun, and there was a playground, and there was this or that, the metal plate, yeah, you mean, you had all this cool look, and it was so unique a Pizza Hut, the place we all know what a Pizza Hut looks like, yeah? And now Pizza Huts look like Blockbuster Yeah. They all had very distinct looks, yes, and feelings where now it's all just been homogenized. I know that's what I'm talking about. So there's this, and that's what I think a lot of the media that's being generated out there that's not conscious media is this kind of like just pale shadows, echoes, yeah, of what? And they're literally shadows. They're remaking everything. Yeah, I mean, their masters of the universe is coming out, for God's sakes, though, I'm interested to see, we'll see what they do, because the first one was fun to watch with Dolph, but, um, but do you agree with that? Do you think there was, there was, there was a level of connection that we had in the 80s and 90s, and even the early 2000 because the internet was still so baby it was, yeah, in the late 90s and early 2000s dial up and all that fun stuff, that there was a connection that we had then that we don't have now in media. Would you agree?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:08:15
Oh, yeah. But I mean, how many times have you I don't know if you had this thought or whatever, but do you remember, like when your grandparents would take you to McDonald's, or when you go out tonight, you would have a feeling, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:08:26
A Pizza Hut. You look at Pizza Hut with those little with the light, the lights and then the little red, the red cup, absolutely, absolutely.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:08:33
But you had a you had a feeling when you would be told you're going, you had a feeling on your way there. You had a feeling you were connected to yourself. Yeah, right. That's what if you think about. We're all trying to, like, go to these, like, going to Disney, and they're all making all these new universes. And what, what people are trying to do is they're, they're thinking, well, if I go and do more and bigger, then I'll get that back. I'll get that feeling back that I used to have as a kid going to McDonald's with my grandfather. That's what people are searching for, right? They're searching for that. They don't know it. They think if they do something bigger, better and flashier, and

Alex Ferrari 1:09:15
You know what? They're opening up in Vegas, no world's first nostalgia park. So there's gonna be a 50s land, a 60s land, 70 land, 80s land and 90s,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:09:25
Because that's where people the only way people can get connection today is by thinking about the past, but that means they're not present, correct, and they're not moving into their future, correct? So we have to get that connection back now. That's what I do, and you're following the same pathway of the three step system. The third part that I just got transmission about, you're following it as well. You started with the love of film. You started doing that. Then your sabbatical was, you had to, just like mine, was stop the mediumship. You just stopped the film. Then you're in the. Podcast, right? I did a podcast 10 years right? And in my last 10 years, I built this up, the somatic healing program, right? But now moving back home to the body you're gonna you're gonna heal the Light Body, connect to the grid, to the true purpose and mission, and now you're gonna go back, you're gonna have a third phase,

Alex Ferrari 1:10:20
Which is what the phase I'm in right now. I'm going,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:10:23
You're going into it, yeah, coming up in the next year and a half, right? Coming up in the next year and a half?

Alex Ferrari 1:10:28
Is this a reading? Oh, good. Tell me. Tell me about my future, yes.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:10:33
But you're coming into the third phase, where you're now going to be realizing, Oh, why did I have to stop film? Why did I have to stop mediumship? Why did I do this? Why did I do science for 10 years when I was meeting Why are you doing a podcast for 10 years? It's, it's the period I talk about, the 10 years, 11 years of elevation. So now we're coming out of that into year 1213, and that's when creativity with the people that are doing the work to get back in the body, the creativity is the healing. It's getting back. I'm starting to do improv again. I haven't done improv in like 20 years. All the things are going to come back around. So filmmaking is going to come back around, but now you're going to be combining, because it's you're elevating you. It was almost too basic before, because it was coming from a place of limited capacity in your nervous system, not your talent, but in your nervous system. You couldn't hold that vibration so interesting. You couldn't hold it now you've created space for yourself. You've gone down this road. I've gone down this science Road, combined it with the spirituality, right? Created space within myself. Now I'm starting to be able to hold more I have more space for myself, more space for my energy. Most people that come to me, they're constantly caretaking other people, constantly living for others and being resentful and feeling obligated, because all they're doing is caretaking. Right? Once you get the space, you're going to know exactly that you have to get back to the creativity. That's where the healing is.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:11
And you're absolutely right. Because when I started Next Level Soul, a lot of people were like, so what are you going to make a movie? When are you going to make a spiritual movie? When are you going to make Yeah, this or that. And I'm like, Ah, one day I'll get to it. Ah, one day I'll get to it. Yeah.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:12:22
People are like, when are you going to read again? I'm like, my wait list has been closed for three years, and this is why, there's a reason you had to stop.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:30
And I stopped for, arguably, for 10 almost not, not 10 years, nine. No, you know, because I did a couple movies during the early part of that, but they were experiments and stuff like that, but, but now, now with next level soul TV, when we launched that, I was like, Oh, well, now it's time to and now, now, as you saw in the in our Yeah, I'm very impressed, yeah, with our studio and what we're doing, we're shooting shows, we're shooting courses, we're shooting, you know, series.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:12:58
We're bigger than that. What I see with you is bigger. Oh, I know it's bigger. And it doesn't, it's like, this will still continue. But this is a, this is a another project, and the name Edward is coming. So there's something with somebody Eddie or Edward? Edward? No, not Edward, Edward.

Alex Ferrari 1:13:16
I have to look for an Edward. Well, you have to look. It's gonna just, he'll just show up.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:13:20
Well, it could be a last name, first name, sure, sure, yeah. But you are on a okay, sorry, no, go ahead. I keep seeing something about Venezuela. No idea. Okay, okay, but you're on like a beat I see with, like, the director's chair, with the Yeah, with everything. And you're like, but it's not the United States, and like, you're in another country doing something,

Alex Ferrari 1:13:49
Oh, that would make sense. Because I, you know, would love to go to Peru or go, you know, shoot

Marisa Liza Pell 1:13:54
I see you in front of a beach, a beach like a body water. Yeah, interesting. But yeah, you're doing something that is a it's, it's a special, it's a film, but it's a it's being funded by like a third party, but it's not what this is. All the stuff we talked about today. This is, remember the three stages you have your film Next Level Soul. This is, this is your third create, the combination of the two, yeah, yeah. It might be a horse in there too. You don't know, right? The horse, hide your dogs. Dogs. Yeah, your dogs.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:32
Hide your dogs. No, but no. But that's the thing, isn't that? Now we're combined. I'm combining my filmmaking abilities with my conscious and spirituality and putting them together, and we

Marisa Liza Pell 1:14:41
But then you're not going to have to go after the actor. You're not going to on your you're going to just when you're in alignment with the head and the heart, when the solar plexus opens and that that jackhammer goes down right, and that all you'll actually feel it physically. You actually will feel a rush of energy when that opens and the things will just start coming. And you're like, wait now, I need to build capacity to actually step into this. This is something I've been waiting for. And you're like, well, if I'm going to do it, it's here. You're going to have to actually increase your capacity to step into it and to do it.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:20
Well, isn't it interesting, though, that during, during my other shows that I was able to, I apparently opened up enough capacity to then connect with like, Oscar winning director, right? Oscar winnings, where before I wouldn't, I just my my frequency, I just was not there, right? I couldn't so I was, I opened up. So it's interesting the whole idea of capacity that you're talking about.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:15:42
Yeah, so capacity expansion is internal. It's not external. So the more that you do, the more accolades that you have, the more rewards. It's not going to increase your capacity, to really follow your dreams, to really go after which.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:55
So right now we're like 500 megabytes or 500 gigabytes, and we need to get to a terabyte, three terabyte, and start to grow capacity, because you just literally can't hold anything.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:16:06
You can't hold that frequency of something you really want, because you're playing small.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:12
And how do you open the frequency again? By doing the jackhammer

Marisa Liza Pell 1:16:16
Yes, but you don't want to jackhammer it, you know, so willy nilly, no, it's more like, a lot of people are like, well, just get rid of it. But I'm like, if you open that dam with all of that energy, it's like, it's like an instant pot, okay? This is a good Instant Pot, nice. This is the Okay. This is the best analogy that I have imagine that your life, right, is in a pressurized Instant Pot, and every decade, all that pressure, all that stress, all the trauma, all the all the things that you've happened in your life are constantly creating pressure in the InstaPot. What would happen if you just open that all at once? Yeah, it would explode, right? So most people don't ever know that there's a that valve up there where they start releasing, releasing pressure a little bit, right? But you need the valve, or without the valve, you can't release the pressure, correct? And you can't open the explode, right? So the somatic work is the valve. It's actually, I tell people where the valve is, and we start to permanently release the pressure. Release the pressure a millimeter at a time, but it's permanent. It's not like you go get a massage, you feel better, you go back to stress, it circulates, no the valve releases permanent pressure activation, because there's activation in the body. And with all that activation, you don't have capacity for anything else, other than managing all that anxiety, overwhelming activation that's going on takes a lot of energy to manage and control the internal chaos.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:47
And I mean, just taking this idea, this these ideas you're talking about, you start applying them to the masters that are like on the wall, like a Yogananda, who was a contemporary within the 20th century. I imagine that when they were younger, they were trying to figure things out, but then they slowly started to build. Their frequency started to build until they finally are able to get to quote, unquote enlightenment. They were opening it up so much that they become a walking master. But I never thought about the capacity aspect of it, of holding on to a frequency and like, why can't I connect? So there's like, like, perfect example, so someone like Steven Spielberg, right? Obviously, he's at a different frequency than other filmmakers, and he's been at that frequency for He's held it, he's held it for decades, right? And decades. So he wouldn't run into he just wouldn't run into a lower energy filmmaker, like I was back at the day, like, when? What happened? When am I going to meet this? Yeah, that that energy just wouldn't connect with him. By the time you reach someone like him, you have, at one level or another, been able to raise your frequency to be able to even connect with him, correct?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:19:03
Like he wouldn't even have to try to connect with him. No, just it would happen.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:08
And we've all had this happen where we meet somebody at a party and you're just like, oh, just get it. Can you get away from me?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:19:17
Because they feel the desperation.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:21
Oh, you smell it. It's like Drakkar. You smell it.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:19:24
That's survival mode, though. That's not like a bad person. That's someone who's living in survival mode. Absolutely. And so I help people break free of survival mode and expand their capacity to step into the life because I could tell you, Oh, Alex, these are your next steps. This is all the information. This is what you're supposed to do. But if you don't have capacity, you're not capacity, you're not gonna be able to do it or maintain it or keep it or hold on to it. And that's what most people don't tell you. That's what most people don't tell you. They think, oh, if I go to a psychic, they'll just give me the answer,

Alex Ferrari 1:19:56
No, it's gonna be superficial answers. Because even if I tell if you tell me, like, oh, Alex, you know in your future, you're gonna work with Steven Spielberg. Let's say, right? And I'm like, and when I had this, I did this 10 years ago, I'll be like, I just wouldn't have the frequency, I wouldn't have the capacity, but you wouldn't know that. I wouldn't, but I would write, but that's my point, right? I wouldn't like, it's useless to know.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:20:14
You'd be like, Oh, you're crazy like that whenever, because your capacity is just like, you're playing small in your world, because that's the controlled world that you're used to.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:22
Oh, I mean, people tell me stories or not stories, but, you know, giving me readings about things that are going to happen to us and the company and what I'm doing and things like that. And I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, got that, got that, nothing, nothing is out of bounds. For me, I have a complete open idea of what is the potential of what we're doing in the mission that we're doing here at Next Level soul. So I don't, I don't limit myself anymore. Even if it sounds insane, I'd be like, Okay, that makes

Marisa Liza Pell 1:20:47
But it's not a definite. I don't believe that's why I stopped doing them, because it's not like, if you make a choice today, switch it. Your pathway is you're a different lane of the highway. You're going to be going down a different road, you're going to be getting off different exit.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:05
I want to start a podcast about start a podcast about jelly beans. I think that's really what Jelly Bean podcast. And we're going to talk about jelly beans all the time, all the time, all the time. Orange jelly beans, orange shell. That's one episode. Yeah. Then there's the black jelly bean was. That was the one that really got everyone going. But I could make that decision, but everything in my body would be yelling No, because it's just not the path I'm supposed to be on.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:21:26
And a lot of people, they hear the body yelling No, but they can't choose differently. That's the problem. Is that they hear the No, oh. They feel it. They feel it. They're like, Oh, I see the red flag again with this next person I'm dating, but I just can't stop, because the brain is hardwired to feel attracted to that person because they're trying to resolve the loop.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:51
So is the frequency of the people that you attract, is the frequency that you can hold. So if you pretty much, pretty much, right? So like, if you have, you know, I had a cousin of mine this years ago, when we were young in our early 20s. He's like, dude, every time I go to a club, I get in a fight, like, all the time, man. It's just like, it seems like it follows me, and I go, Dude, I go to clubs all the time, and I never have gotten into a fight. It might be you,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:22:13
Yeah, like, what's the common denominator?

Alex Ferrari 1:22:14
What's the common denominator is you, dude, like you're either looking for it or it just comes towards you because you're just that energy is there. And I never forgot that lesson. I was like, Oh, he's just, it's just he expects it so, because he expects it, it happens so. But that could be the other way too. I expect only good things to happen for me, and that happens.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:22:39
Well, I think it's a little more complicated than that. It's it's more of like we're trying to close loops constantly. We're trying to resolve something that we couldn't resolve, that had to do with another person a long time ago. And we will seek out similar energies. It might not look like that person, might not be that person, but we'll consistently seek out similar energies in our work and our relationships people we hire.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:06
Well, that's the problem I had. No that's the problems I had with my film industry. My film career is because of that, that incident with the mobster, I just kept searching out the wrong people, to searching out the wrong projects, searching it was just, I just

Marisa Liza Pell 1:23:20
To resolve that. Yeah, it was constantly somebody like that who will probably do the same thing.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:25
Yeah, I never had anyone that bad again. But there were versions of them. Oh, absolutely, there were versions of it, because you were trying to resolve it. Up until, like 10 years ago, I had, I had friends who would treat me like that, and I would allow it, until I finally said, that's enough, and the second I said that's enough, I don't attract those kind of people in my life anymore.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:23:45
Well, something must have happened in the body, of course, yeah, yeah. So there must have been something. But yeah, we there's a lot of times you will get the red flags, but there is also a higher subconscious state that says I need to resolve this, so I need to go into it, because I need to, I need to know I'm okay, that I can resolve this with the energy that hurt me. I need to resolve it with the familiar energy. And you can't ever really resolve it with the familiar energy, because unless that person's working on themselves, you know too, because you're just going to constantly keep looping. But we need the capacity to move past that,

Alex Ferrari 1:24:26
And then people sometimes will leave their environment, move to a new city, move to a geographic cure. Yeah, the geographic cure. And to a certain extent, I understand the mentality behind it, because you're changing your surroundings, but the core issue that hasn't gone away, but so there is some value to like. Your entire world is different now, but you're still going to attract those kind of people. Like when I left Florida to move to LA, the first person I met who was a friend for a while was exact duplicate of my mobster.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:25:01
Oh, your mobster.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:01
I call my gangster, my mobster. He was the exact same abusive but, but under the guise of friendship, right? You know? And I had that, I had that guy in high school that was familiar to you, so you knew that road. I just kept going and kept going until finally with him, I I stopped it, and I and I just said no, and, and even then I was tested. A few years ago, a guy came in, and I guess the universe was testing. He's like, let's see if he actually learned this lesson. And I started,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:25:34
It's harder to close the loop than it is to go back into the loop. It's harder to close it.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:39
Well, but when that person came into my life, I Ooh, like, so quick, yeah, so quick. And I boom. And it was like, Okay, done. And I haven't had to deal with that kind of situation since. So it's interesting. A lot of the things here, I'm just using me as an example, because that's the only thing I can use, yeah, thinking about the things you're talking about, it's fascinating. Marisa, you're you're not just a weirdo psychic medium. Of course I am. What's grandpa saying? No, I'm joking. We'll talk about the grandpa later.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:26:08
Yeah, I hope so. I don't know it's funny with the mediumship, I don't ever have any real like, people come up. They're like, do you remember when he said this and this and this, I'm like, No, it's not, it's not coming from me, but like through you. It's coming through me, but it's not my own thoughts. So it feels like somebody's telling me, somebody else said it.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:30
So before we close up today, because I could talk to you for hours, but we, oh, yes, we have things to do. What would you what would be like a thing that everyone needs to hear right now. Who is listening to this podcast in now and in the future?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:26:46
It's really right now about going back to what always inspired you, what always made you feel like, what you're always drawn to, the creative work, the creativity and going back to some of those things you always loved to do and revisiting them, that's going to be really important right now. That's where you're going to get the connection back, is by really going back to your truth and going back to the things that you love. It's not about pushing more or doing more, it's about doing less. It's about talking less. It's about less information. It's about simplification, simplifying your life. And that's scary for a lot of people, because that leaves a lot of room to be with themselves. They don't want that. It's when you experience true space, you get very guarded with it, like my my world has gone from this to this because I know I want reciprocal relationships in my life today,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:56
It almost seems like you have to get small in order to get big Correct. You need to, yes, come back in. But once you get to that certain point, it bursts exactly because now you can hold this

Marisa Liza Pell 1:28:11
And you don't have to ever control anything ever again. The reason why people control is because they feel out of control. Yes, inside, they have internal chaos that just won't shut off, and so they try to control the outside, because they feel so like this all the time inside, and that requires space internally to do.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:33
Marisa, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:28:40
Well, I'm sure it's in your show notes, but marisalizapell.com, connection beyond calm. Marisa Liza Pell, just google me. You'll find me.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:46
You're not hard to find,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:28:48
Not hard to find. That's Yes, but stay, just, just get off the internet like just really start getting into life and start playing, start doing things. Start making a difference, making an impact.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:02
Choose, choose what goes in your ears,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:29:05
Choose what you consume, yeah, and choose what you say. Be mindful about what you're writing, what you're speaking,

Alex Ferrari 1:29:13
What you're saying about yourself you're saying to other people. So right now, let's have a message for the for the troll that's watching at the moment.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:29:20
I love the trolls, because

Alex Ferrari 1:29:22
There's a troll, I'm sure there's a troll, their pain, they're in pain Exactly. So if there's a troll watching, right? And I won't use the word troll, but someone, they're trolling, they're trolling, right? So, yeah, that person who is right now going through something and needs is watching this and is disagreeing with you, that's why, wholeheartedly, that's okay, and is about to write a vicious comment or does not like my shirt or anything about you or anything about me?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:29:48
Yes, because there are people who just don't like you. I like you. Stop it. It's okay. I have teddy bears in the car.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:59
Good thing. Cute, disturbing, but cool for that person. What would you say to them right now, like I'm about to write, I just finished watching this thing, I'm about to write this scathing comment, or, even worse, a scathing email towards us. What would you say to that person right now, who is obviously in pain, and we're not joking about it, right? And that's they are in pain, and this is the way they are lashing out or dealing with it. And they do it to not just us, but everybody from the Starbucks barista to the checkout person at the supermarket.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:30:36
And yes, projection, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:30:38
What would you say to them?

Marisa Liza Pell 1:30:39
Well, the reason they do it is because they weren't seen, heard or understood in their life by somebody, somebody hurt them. And this is their way of being like, if I'm not going to get positive attention, I'm going to get negative attention. I don't care what kind of thing, yeah, I don't care, yeah. And it's, it's more like, the thing about it is that will come back to you, oh, if you put that out there, that's what you're that's what you're doing with your time. You're wasting time, and it will come back, and it's just the way that the universe works. So put your time into consuming things that are going to bring you joy and realize who is that like. Because when you really ask people, why, why? Why? Why? Really comes down to somebody who hurt them in the past, or somebody you remind them of, somebody that you know did something similar with their job that you do, or whatever, and they just they're not connected to their purpose as they they're bored. This is why they're doing it. But usually people who are writing this stuff, they weren't heard, seen or understood. They didn't have a voice, or their voice was silenced, or their you know, somebody didn't want to listen to what they had to say, and now they could do it behind the comfort of a computer and get to experience their emotions of anger or frustration or fear, whatever. They get to be able to express themselves freely without any consequence. Maybe in their childhood there was a lot of consequences to that, or maybe they were bullied, or maybe, yeah, you know, but they weren't heard. So they want, they want to be heard. So go out and do something more creative with your time and make it positive, and get back to your purpose, because that's where you're going to feel fulfilled. It's not going to fulfilled. It's not going to be from writing comments. It's not going to be from hurting other people. It's going to be getting back to your purpose and your creativity that's going to bring you joy, because you're just wasting time. It's going to come back.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:35
Well said, Marisa, well said, Thank you so much for being here. I mean, thank you so much for having me. It's so much fun. I mean, I could talk to you for days and days we're gonna keep talking. Oh, I know, I know we're definitely gonna be keep talking. It is such a pleasure having you. Thank you so much for being this. This just battle hardened light warrior that you are, and you're going,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:32:57
I don't know if I would say I'm a battle hardened I don't know.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:58
Listen, girl, you got some shrapnel. Yeah, there you go. Your battle hardened then

Marisa Liza Pell 1:33:05
I'm a hard, okay, I got the I got the armor.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:08
You've got armor on a thick, a thick, a thick armor on, yes, but, but you are, you're trying to do amazing work in the world, and you are doing amazing work in the world in your unique way. Unique way, beautifully unique way. But I appreciate you and everything you do in this world.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:33:28
Do I get a Next Level Soul hat too? If maybe, because I love that hat

Alex Ferrari 1:33:33
We have, we might have a hat here. She came all this way just for merch. It's like I could have just said that to you guys.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:33:42
Tell you that like me coming here and taking this solo journey when I was supposed to be coming down with like other people and being and being a lot simpler, really was a capacity like it really stretched me, pushed me to my limits, and I was I learned so much about myself from, like, approaching different parts of the country and alone. It was it were I I couldn't do this if I didn't have build the capacity to do it.

Alex Ferrari 1:34:10
Well, it was your walk about what it's a walkabout. You know what a walkabout is? Right? A walkabout is what the aborigine do. Aborigine in Australia do something called a walkabout where, I think is, if I'm and please correct me if I'm wrong. Anybody in the comments. But when a man, a young boy, gets to a point where he has to become a man, they send him into the help pack and go into a walkabout and that's basically what you're alone with. Your thoughts. It's it's Jesus in the desert, it's all this kind of stuff. And you did it on a road trip, and you you were able to open yourself up into a way and just be with yourself, yeah, and to really connect with yourself and open your capacity to do those things. And that's what it is. It was your walk about,

Marisa Liza Pell 1:34:56
Yeah, it was definitely because when you identify as like, you know, your leading in your business, your family, you have a role of a parent, and you become consumed with your roles that you're playing. And when you are alone for that amount period of time on the road, like you have to eat at some point, you got to sleep. You got to you know, your body just will let you know, like you're out of capacity, like, and so it was testing, because I really thought I could go further times than I did and do more, and I'm like, No, my body is letting me know what its limits are and how I'm not paying attention and taking care of myself. So really cool stuff, really cool

Alex Ferrari 1:35:37
You will get a hat. So thank you for being here. I appreciate you.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:35:41
Thanks for having me. There's so much fun, and I'm so glad that it wasn't a little like, you know, office and what I had imagined it would be, because I had no corner closet, closet when I came outside. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:35:54
I appreciate you.

Marisa Liza Pell 1:35:55
Thank you. It's so nice to be here.