Near Death Experience Researcher Shares Her Findings with Lynn K. Russell

Lynn K. Russell 0:00
There's a window above my sink, and I can see into the yard, and in the yard there's a tree, an apple tree, and so I'm just looking at the tree, and I'm really not thinking about anything, and all of a sudden I became the tree, and it was like my consciousness was taken over, and I literally became that tree. And the tree was me. There was no separation at all. And I was every kind of life form that I could think of. I was the bird in the tree. I was in bulk that the bird was going to eat. I was everything and fish and other kinds of animals, everything I thought about wasn't.

Alex Ferrari 0:43
I'd like to welcome to the show Lynn K. Russell, how you doing Lynn?

Lynn K. Russell 0:56
Hi!

Alex Ferrari 0:58
How are you doing? Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm excited to talk to you and go deep down the NDE rabbit hole with you.

Lynn K. Russell 1:06
Yes, and that's what I do.

Alex Ferrari 1:08
Yes. You know near death experiences. So near death experiences have been a big part of this show for a long time. I think my very one of my very first ones was Dannion Brinkley, who's also been around for a while. I think he was my very first near death experience. And I, when I heard his story, I was just like, you got hit by lightning three times, and you went to the other side, and this is and it was a pretty remarkable and then I kept getting more and more of them on the show, and I kept talking to them and talking to them. And it was fascinating. And I've heard of near death experiences, but I was really, really fascinating. And every once in a while, I get to talk to someone like yourself who's interviewed or had contact with 1000s and 1000s of near death experiences. But before we go down that rabbit hole, what got you interested in this, this field of study?

Lynn K. Russell 2:00
Well, just normal things. I was frightened of death, and so I wanted to know what happens when you die. And I had just retired, and I had spent my life looking at spirituality and religions, and I think it just was seeking truth, whatever that might be. And I had been raised by atheists, so I had no background or preconceived notions at all, so I really felt very, very open to almost any concepts that that were for me. And so that's what I did for about 70 years now, but then, when I retired, I had all kinds of time, and I was on the nd ERF chat line, and Dr long asked for somebody to do research for him, and I thought, perfect timing. So that's what happened.

Alex Ferrari 2:59
Yeah, you worked with Dr. Jeffrey Long, who was on the show as well. And he's, he's one of those amazing researchers in this space who've really helped shine a light, along with Raymond Moody and a handful of others who've done that now in your in your So, yeah, you didn't have any programming, as I call it, no preconceived dogmas or anything like that walking into this so you didn't go, oh, well, if I, if I do this, am I going to go to hell? Or am I, or am I going to do this? Or am I going to upset that? God, you were just like, very wide open.

Lynn K. Russell 3:31
Yes, very, very and actually, I really appreciate that. That at the time I wasn't sure because it was very confusing, but I'm very grateful now.

Alex Ferrari 3:43
What was the biggest surprise that you found when you started to do researches on near death experiences?

Lynn K. Russell 3:50
I think the thing that hit me the most was the oneness. And in the beginning of my book, I talk about Ste a spiritually transformative experience that I had, and that experience was on oneness, and it sort of put that in front of me to be able to go in that direction. And so I think that that was the thing I didn't understand it for a long time. I thought it just meant that we were similar, or, you know, I was one as another human being. But now I've gotten to the point where I understand that one means one. There's one soul, one entity, one being that is the consciousness of the universe, and we are in

Alex Ferrari 4:46
When you said you had an STE can you explain what? What can you tell me with that story of what happened to you?

Lynn K. Russell 4:52
Oh, sure, yes, I'd love to. Well, what happened was, I was a single parent. I had three. Children, two, no, wait, they were three, four and five. No, four, five and six. That's the two older ones. Yeah, in the afternoon, and the two older ones were in school, and the youngest one was down from the afternoon nap. And that was significant, because my kids were very active. And so the fact that it was always I had three experiences on completely different days. I had no idea they were coming, or I would have noticed and and so the first experience of doing dishes. And as I see, the place is quite quiet and and there's a window above my sink, and I can see into the yard, and in the yard there's a tree, an apple tree, and so I'm just looking at the tree, and I'm really not thinking about anything, and all of a sudden I became the tree, and it was like my consciousness was taken over, and I literally became that tree. And the tree was me. There was no separation at all, and I was every kind of life form that I could think of. I was the bird in the tree. I was in bulk that the bird was going to eat. I was everything and fish and other kinds of animals. And that was the end of the experience. It was like, maybe 30 seconds long. I mean, I didn't time it, so I don't know. And then the next experience was a few days later, and this time, I'm wiping fingerprints off the whole wall and and I I'm just looking at the wall, and again, I'm not thinking of anything, and the place is quiet. And all of a sudden, I'm seeing an atom with the electrons going around. And then I see our solar system with the Sun and the planets going around. And then that expanded to our galaxy and sister galaxies, what I call sister, I think they're called clusters. But anyway, so it was like micro to the macro universe. And while I'm getting this in this this expansion, I'm getting messages that this didn't just happen, that there was order and planning and an intelligence behind it all. And that was really cool. I really enjoyed that. But then I got a message that I really did not like at all, and that was the end of the experience. And that message was that my being was intricately connected with the operation of the universe, and I couldn't get that. That scared me, because I thought, What do you mean? What am I supposed to do? I'm really this was in 73 so 1973 so I really had no idea about any of this kind of thing. And then another thing that happened again, as I say, that was the end of that experience. And then a few days later, I'm in the living room picking up toys and tidying up and and I felt a presence in the room with me. And there was, it was like I couldn't see anything. I could just see my living room. That was it. But there was more love. Like it was like I was being surrounded, impregnated with with more love than I could ever imagine, and it felt like I was connected somehow to this, whatever this, I called it positive energy force. So to this positive energy force, I felt like I was connected. And then I heard words very clearly that said, this is where you came from, and this is where you will return. And that was the last of my experiences. But that one taught me that not to be so afraid, frightened of death, because, you know, this was such a beautiful experience. Hey, when?

Alex Ferrari 9:24
So this is years, years before you started doing research in near death experience.

Lynn K. Russell 9:29
It was during my experience I started researching when I was 16, and this was when I was mid 30s.

Alex Ferrari 9:39
Okay, so you have been, Oh, so you've been doing this work for quite some time.

Lynn K. Russell 9:43
Yes, there have been 70 years this year.

Alex Ferrari 9:47
Wow, like so you've really seen, you've really gone down the deep rabbit hole. It's fascinating, because at those those years, I'm not even sure if nd ease were. I think if. First time Raymond Moody coined the phrase, was what in the late 70s, right? So at least that was like, Yeah, 75 mid 75. When he when he said it. But the thing is that having these mystical experiences at that time, there weren't shows like this. There weren't books talking about it. So you were pretty I can imagine you being a little bit afraid of what you what was coming at you to a certain extent.

Lynn K. Russell 10:26
Yeah, yeah. And I before that, when I I was so frightened of death, that was what the whole thing was about. I wanted to find out what happened when you died. And my mother, being an atheist, who told me, I just disappear, and I was an eight year old, but if you told me that terrifying, yeah, yeah, I didn't disappear. And so I wanted to find a better answer. And that was the beginning of my my studies. And then that branched out from there to to to and there was only in those days, because we're going back to the 1950s and so in those days, there was only religion. There was no spiritual kind of thinking at all. And so I studied all the religions and their histories, and what I found out I was looking for was truth.

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Lynn K. Russell 12:22
That was, that's what it down to. I was searching truth.

Alex Ferrari 12:26
So, so from your experience, what are some common themes that you see across all near death experiences?

Lynn K. Russell 12:35
Oh, there's many, many, many, but one of the big ones is that that when people there's two or three, but first of all, we create our own experiences. We the death experience is what we think should happen. So that's point one. So that's why the variation between them and why different cultures will have different kinds of experiences is because we created the other thing was that almost universally, everybody would feel this oneness. They didn't call it that some did, some didn't, but they would say, I felt like I was connected to everything. And everything was connected to me. You know, they really were very blown away by that. That was that was very significant for quite a few people.

Alex Ferrari 13:32
So the the idea, and I love that you brought this up, because I get this asked, I get questions like this all the time, but when people find out that I do a show like this. They're fascinated with near death experiences and what happens, and because there's not a soul on the planet who doesn't think about, hey, what happens after you die? Like we're all going there, you know, like I always joke around, everybody wants to go to heaven, just not right now. But the thing that I love that you said is that you construct your own near death experience because there are, because a lot of people who are, you know, who, like, have a problem swallowing near death experiences, understanding or even comprehending them, will say, well, it's not all peaches and unicorns and and rainbows on the other side. Look, there's these other people who went to hell, went to a hellish experience on the other side, and to my understanding, and also from the race, straight from the horse's mouth, I've had a few, a few people who climb on the show, who've had negative or hellish like experiences. Generally, I'm going to say 98 99% are all positive or neutral in one way, shape or form, the hell the hellish or negative experiences are extremely rare, but from what they told me, is like my belief system made me believe that I needed to go down into a hellish experience. And once I was down there, once I decided I didn't want to be there anymore. Jesus, an angel light came and took her, or took him, to where, where we all go in the other space. So it was kind of like this self imposed hell, prison, if you will, or negative prison. Is that what you've come across as well.

Lynn K. Russell 15:21
Well. I the people I had quite a few of the hellish experience as well. And what I have found is that that's what they thought they should have. They their image of themselves, or their, you know, their training, or whatever, that they created that as well, because some people were taken out of that experience before they came back, and when they were at the positive place after they'd been taken out, they said, What is that all about? And they were told repeatedly that that was your creation. You did that because that's what you thought you should have. The other piece of the business of recreating our death experiences is that it's exactly the same way we create this experience our life.

Alex Ferrari 16:16
Dive into that a little bit. Yeah, dive into that a little bit. That's a very powerful statement.

Lynn K. Russell 16:21
Yes, yes, because we are we are source. That's the bottom line. Is we are source, and there's and so we are magnificent. We can create and do anything we put our mind to do. And I know that people say that, and it just sounds like a lot of good words, but it's true. It's really true. And so and so we are source, and we create this experience from the point of view of being source. As a matter of fact, source is okay. So how do I explain this? We never left source. We are, at this point, right within source, and we are thinking and creating this experience second by second, moment by moment.

Alex Ferrari 17:17
Yeah, without question. And when you are creating this, one of my favorite nd stories. I don't remember which episode it was, but he said, and I always, I always joke around that Jesus is the hardest working man in show business because he shows up to a lot of a lot of NDE's in the especially in the West, and people who don't even know or study Jesus still show up. And there was this atheist who died, and when he went to the other side, Jesus was there in a three piece suit with his hair pulled back. And he goes, it was just brilliant, which was brilliant. And he goes, would he knew who of of Jesus? They just never follow him because he thought he was an atheist. He goes, Jesus, if that's you, why are you dressed like that? He goes, Well, you come from the business world. You wouldn't take me seriously if I showed up in adoga and I was like, wow. So that was a literal construction of of that. So let me ask you, let's walk through the path of a near death experience, step by step, if we could. So once the body leaves, or the soul leaves, the body, there is a tunnel. Sometimes there's a tunnel, sometimes there's not of light, depending on the culture, depending on where it is. But one of the very common themes is that you're you're welcomed by someone, someone's there to help you to the other side. It could be a deity, could be Buddha, could be Jesus. I read somewhere in an ancient China and ancient Chinese lore that politicians, terrifying as that is, politicians would show up to guide them through the other side, apparently was a different part of that different culture at that time, at different interpretations,

Lynn K. Russell 18:59
Fascinating.

Alex Ferrari 19:01
But then the but then there's your relatives or an aunt or uncle or even a friend from just a random friend from school in third grade, that you recognize these kind of things is that what you found?

Lynn K. Russell 19:16
Oh, absolutely yes. Not everybody is is greeted by someone, but 90% of the people are yes, you're right. Except for hellish people, they're not also not greeted. Usually they just have bad experiences, right? But yes, the ones who have positive experiences, I would say 90% of those are greeted by someone whose path and the reason why is because we are so steeped, and this is really important. We are so steeped into being human, like all of our consciousness is being put into this experience, and so we don't understand. Understand that we I mean, we have complete amnesia when we come here, and so we don't understand our reality, and we don't understand what's happening to us. We have all these myths about death and so on. And so we really it's good idea to have a guide or or else loved ones to help us through and so, yeah, that's quite true. Some people go directly to their wherever they're going to wind up. Other people are in outer space for a while. Some people go to the void. So there's different methods of getting there. But yes,

Alex Ferrari 20:38
And it is in the loved ones or the deities are there to pretty much help you with the transition, because, like you're saying, it is a very jarring jump out of, especially coming out of, like a deep, deep water of in the middle of the ocean and coming into the light. It's extremely jarring to your being and to my understanding, it's also very confusing. Sometimes you don't even know that you've died and and you need someone there to kind of, hey, it's going to be okay. And they literally walk you through many times to the next to the next stage, correct?

Lynn K. Russell 21:13
Yeah, that's right, yes, yes. And so so they help you and and it just as I said, we create our own experience. So we also create who can, who meets us,

Alex Ferrari 21:25
Right! Yeah, and it could, and again, on aunts, uncles, animals. Do animals? Have you experienced that animals or pets are there as well as a transitional thing?

Lynn K. Russell 21:36
Sure, your favorite pet. Yep, for sure, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 21:39
All that stuff comes in. So when you're so now you've, you've got to transition either you're with somebody or you're not with somebody. But then you're going to the next stage. And that next stage varies dramatically, from Crystal Crystal Castles to full cities to a green a pasture, a forest. I mean, I've heard all of it, you know, all these different kind of things. But from what I understand, one of the next stages, and not every stage, is the life review. Can you dive into your experiences from your research on the life review and the meaning it truly has for us here?

Lynn K. Russell 22:16
Oh, okay, um, and before I go on to the light review. Let's go back after I finish that, and talk about other kinds of experiences, other than

Alex Ferrari 22:30
So let's go. So let's go, yeah, so let's go into those first, and then we'll go into the life review.

Lynn K. Russell 22:34
Oh, okay, okay. So, um, well, yes, many, many, many people, because we are steeped in this existence. We we see ourselves as as physical, and we continue to see ourselves physical. We've seen our body lying there, but we take a body with us, an ethereal body, and we created an ethereal world, and that's our creation. So whatever is our favorite place, I want to go to the beach. So those are, those are the kind of experiences. But there's another experience that even goes much, much deeper, and these are people who enter into the light. Now, there's two levels of that. There's those who enter into the light, continue to see themselves as themselves and experiencing personal experiences, and then leave and communicate with the light, because the light is us, is a being with intelligence and great sense of humor. So but the other thing is that people will become the light. They melt and absolutely are the light. And when they're there, they become creators with the light, and they can go back to the beginning of the beginning of the beginning and there, you know, I mean, there is no real beginning, but back to the beginning of our our universe, and watch how It created and how it all evolved. And gain vast amounts of information. And sometimes they bring that information back, and sometimes they don't, unfortunately, but anyway. But the point is that they lose that concept of self and become this delight. And when they lose the concept of self, they're aware that they were that person at one point in time, and that they were these other light forms, you know, like platforms, but reincarnated lights. And so they remember all of those. But they're just learning experiences. It doesn't have any major significance and and so they, I really think that is the most significant death experience of all, is when they'll come to light.

Alex Ferrari 25:21
So they basically go, they basically become part of the collective, if you will, the collective energy of this light. And to my understanding as well, that that the information that they are downloaded with is instant, and they know basically that they're piped into the internet of the other side, if you will, and all of a sudden, can access the entire the entire Act, the Akashic records, if you will, the entire knowledge base of the universe. And they like, oh, what's quantum physics? Oh, that's what quantum physics is. Oh, how do you what's free energy? Oh, that's how you would have gotten free energy like this, or clean energy, that, that kind of thing. But to my understanding, too, when they come back, they might bring, if they're lucky, snippets back. But this hardware cannot hold on to the mass amount. It's just like running, you know, dos, trying to run DOS on, you know, or trying to run a new Mac today on DOS of 1950s like, you know, whatever it is, you know, that old programming, the hard work, just can't handle it, which is frustrating, you can imagine. Now, you also said something in regards to reincarnation. Now, this is a very touchy subject for so many people in the world, because I believe in reincarnation. It's and I'm a recovering Catholic, so I always, you know, reincarnation makes sense to me that this is the only one life and you, and if you're just lucky to be born a male in this country at this time with this kind of resources, or born as a female or another and a poor it didn't make any sense to Me. Oh, so you're bored with one leg bad luck, like, I don't understand those things, but reincarnation made all the sense in the world to be as a logical thing. So how does, how do near death experiences challenge contemporary religions and dogmas, and What experiences have you had with just, I'm sure in your line of work, you've been confronted at one point or another by somebody he's like that doesn't make any sense. The Bible says this, or my book says that, or my God says this. How do these Near Death Experiences challenge those ideas across all kinds of religions and dogmas?

Lynn K. Russell 27:36
Well, one of the things that dust of the light is which, which religion is the best one or the right one, and and, and repeatedly, people are told whatever religion fits for that person is there isn't one. So if it brings the person close to source and closer to God then, but reincarnation go back to being source. And so here's how I explain it, if we could just imagine being this incredible intelligence and and I don't even know how big to save me, but just this entity that's amazing, and it's all alone in nothingness with just blackness around, no sounds, no sight, No nothing. And if that were the case, creation would happen in a second, you know, in a nanosecond, because the entity would not know that it was, or even if it did know it was, it wouldn't know anything about itself. So creation is to give back to source. That's what creations for, and that's what we are. We are giving back our the life that we live, gives back to source. And so that's the most important. Is the is, I'm sorry I've lost my train of thought.

Alex Ferrari 29:21
Sure, sure. It's what we're here to do, where I always used to I use the term God's algorithm. We're all little algorithms that go off and do their thing, grab information and bring it back to the creator of that algorithm, which is a god source. Does that make sense?

Lynn K. Russell 29:38
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 29:41
So, alright. So let's get into life reviews. Because life reviews are very powerful, powerful things. Because when I first heard the first time of a life review, it shook it kind of shook me to the core. I have friends of mine who's like, I've been watching your show. I. Got to get my acts I got to get my act together, because I don't want to go through that life review. And you know, it's, it's almost a fear based thing, but it's not because we see it as, Oh God, I don't want to be judged. To my understanding, there is no judgment. There's absolutely no judgment. On the other side, it's kind of like, this is what happened. So can you dive in. Please explain a life review and as a general idea.

Lynn K. Russell 30:24
Yeah, sure. Well, I'm sure that you're you've heard many times about life review and that you see your life from in detail. Some people see it in detail. Some people just highlight and how we affect other people and how we Yeah, and that's the main point. Is it doesn't matter about our wealth, or, you know, how famous we are, or any of that. It's, you know, it's how we affected the world and other people. And so that is the significance. But the life review. We don't there is no judgment, kind of kind, because we we judge ourselves, but we take the consequences of our actions by reliving the experience we provide for others.

Alex Ferrari 31:20
That is that is the powerful, powerful part of this whole thing. Is like, if I hurt you, I'm gonna be back in that scene. So, like, your your consciousness flies back to that moment. You're in a three basically, in that moment in life, and I'm saying something nasty to you, and I'm I feel what I feel when I'm doing it, but then I feel what you feel, and that's the scary part for people.

Lynn K. Russell 31:45
Yeah, yeah. And, and, as I said before, we're one, so really, we are source judging ourselves, and that's why there's no source from outside, or there's no judgment for outside, because we are source judging ourselves. And when we judge ourselves, judgment, you know, because people get upset with themselves sometimes and say, Oh, God, why did I do that? Or, you know, I shouldn't have done that. And and repeatedly, they are told it's okay. It's just a learning experience, right?

Alex Ferrari 32:18
Well, it's the same thing. It's like getting upset for like, when you're first starting to walk and you keep falling down, you down. It's the equivalent of something like that, because you're like, what are you gonna get yourself angry? You barely know how to walk. So if you're doing things in a life, that's that's not right. It might just be that you're just not able to walk it, and you're making these mistakes, and it's okay, it's part of the process, and whatever we do to others is part of their growing process as well. And what do we

Lynn K. Russell 32:48
And the Echo and the echo that keeps going down the line until it fades out.

Alex Ferrari 32:54
So this concept of spirit guides, what is your experience of spirit guides and angels in kind of like a room of a council, room of elders, if you will, that are there during a life review sometimes, or after the life review, or before the life review, that kind of is explaining, like your council of elders. From my understanding, there's a council of elders. Maybe there's a head spirit guide that that guides you throughout your life, and you see them on the other side. What's your experience with that?

Lynn K. Russell 33:26
Okay, keep in mind that we are one with those spirit guides. We, of course, connected to them. And so the spirit guide, I think all guides, I think are because we immerse ourselves so completely into being human that when we leave here, whether for a short time or for a long time, we we need to have the guide to help us, just as we talked about earlier, we're too confused. We don't know what's going on, and so we need the guides. Is that what you're meaning?

Alex Ferrari 34:02
Yeah, the guides on the other side are there the kind of overlook your journey, maybe push you, like, nudge you in the right direction of where you're supposed to be going in life. But in once you get to the other side, you're like, Henry. Oh, Henry, thank you so much for helping me out. And they try. And you're still kind of this transitional period where you're being explained, hey, you're coming out of you're decompressing. That's the word I wanted to use. You're decompressing from coming down from the deep, deep ocean. You need time to decompress as you go up, because if you get if you go too fast, you get the bends, you get the bends. So they're there to help you. They're like the decompression system.

Lynn K. Russell 34:38
Okay. So another part of the guides is that they're with us right now in this, this live life experience that we're experiencing the guides and so that is because we, because of source, knows how difficult it is for us to be separated. Like this and and so that that's why we had the guides to guide us through it and help us. If we can hear them, some people can, some people can.

Alex Ferrari 35:13
Now the and this is another part of the guides, which is to my understanding, the guides are there to guide you through the sole plan that you laid out before you left the other side to come down here. So when you come down here, you are going down a road that you have preset like, I'm going to meet this person, I'm going to have this job, I'm going to live in this area, big, giant landmarks, if you will. That's right. Journey. Can you dive in a little deeper to that?

Lynn K. Russell 35:42
Yeah, yeah, sure. Before we come into this life experience, our souls, the soul that says, Okay, I'm going to be a person chooses a task that they want to accomplish in this life, and then with that task they choose all the elements within their life that will help them to guide them towards that task. And so they will choose significant people, not everybody they ever meet, but the main people that are going to be in their lives that will guide them or or that the interaction will be significant to guide them in the right direction. Then there's the events in our lives, whether you know, and not every again, not every event, but the major events, and that will help us to lead us in certain directions. And then there's the ourselves. We choose everything about ourselves, the color, the nationality, the country, the Yeah, yeah, yeah, every single thing that is going to be significant. It would be our baby toenail, if it was significant, you know, to guiding us, however, there is a cravat on that, because sometimes we don't get to do whatever it is that we came here to do, for various reasons, because not everything is meant to be. And I don't like this statement of everything is meant to be, because it's not some things are meant to be, but some things that are meant to be don't happen. The person that we are going to be interacting with leaves this world before we get to that, or some accident happens and changes things, or we just goof off and say, I don't want and we're just going to be, you know, and so everything isn't written in stone. And because there is no time at the spirit level, it doesn't matter how long it takes us, we can have by place if we want to accomplish our tasks. The point is that we are going to accomplish that task, whether it's five or whether it's one, it doesn't matter, right?

Alex Ferrari 38:24
And so in other words, you lay out a soul plan, and that's exactly what it is, a plan. And as we all know, plans don't always go according to plan, because there's a lot of variables along the way, and it's really, truly because of this pesky little thing called free will that allows us to exactly, hey, you know what? I know I'm supposed to be an astronaut, but I really want to be a football player. And, you know, I'm just going to go down that and, oh, I got injured. Oh, I can't now be an astronaut. Oh, and then it just throws your whole life out of way. It can't happen. And from what I understand, the guides are there to kind of push it, because if you go far off your soul plan, things become a lot more difficult. You're not as happy. You're not because it's not connecting to the soul. You know I was, I to my understanding, from what I was been told, I walked the parallel path with this path that I'm on right now, which assisted in this path. But until the roads met, I was on a parallel path with this and I was like, Oh, that. Because I always wondered, like, why am I in this path? You know, I loved it. It was great, but it really never brought me. I had moments of happiness, but it never felt I was never fulfilled in this grand way. But the second I jumped onto this path, I was like, Oh, this is what this feels like. It's Oh. And it needed time, by the way. You know, 20 years ago, this path wouldn't have worked, because the world wasn't ready. I wasn't ready people, you know, it was. Very interesting thing now, on the next stage, after the life review, what have you come across like? What are the variable things? Because we're talking about near death experience, it means it's near death. So we're not going to we have no idea what happens after a certain point. What are some other experiences, some of the most that stuck out to you? Or are there any other common things that I haven't mentioned that you found in many near death experiences?

Lynn K. Russell 40:24
Yes, I think, I think thought consciousness our we really don't recognize how significant our thoughts are, and that that really is a major thing. Because we are thought. We are consciousness. That is, that is how we're being created through thought. And so what we think about, what is powerful, really powerful, and we really need to know that and to understand that and to guide our thinking in a more positive direction, to be more than that we can be. You know?

Alex Ferrari 41:09
Now in your from your research, have you found that many of many near death experiencers get to a point of no return, like there is a place where they cannot cross. There's like a doorway, there is a river, that kind of thing. Can you dive into that a little bit?

Lynn K. Russell 41:30
Yeah, there are experiences that that they get to this point and they're not allowed, and they that that's fine. But there are others who don't get that point. They they can go anywhere. So it's a little confusing sometimes, why some and not the others? Why are some people not given a choice and shoved back into their body sometimes and they're praying not to come back, and other people are are given a choice, whether you want to stare, do you want to go, you know, so it's it doesn't seem to be written in stone.

Alex Ferrari 42:14
The other thing I have heard is that near death experiences happen to people because of multiple, multiple reasons. Whereas in the soul plan, they laid out exit points in the life if things aren't going the way they wanted to, I'd love to hear your thoughts like so we lay out the map. You're like, you know what? At 35 if I haven't hit something, let me. Let me pop out real quick, and I'll let you know if I want to keep going or I'll just start again. And then, Oh, baby, you know, at 70, there's another exit point, and you could decide at that point when you want so that's one reason. Another reason is you've gone so far off the path that your spirit guides have been yelling at you and you can't hear you. I can't hear it. So they go, we, if we don't do something, he or she is going to go, it's gonna be a wasted life, so we gotta shake the heck out of them and hit them with a car, essentially. And knock some sense, at least knock them into says, is that? Is that what you found as well?

Lynn K. Russell 43:11
Yes, yes, yes. Um, that that happens, for sure, and but yeah, that makes sense for why people are sent back or not, though too, you know, if they are off on the wrong track, then you know, do it again.

Alex Ferrari 43:28
You said that in regards to reincarnation, that you said that you you get to see lives that you have lived. I've I've understood that you could see not only lives that you have lived, but lives that you are going to live as well. And then, if you really want to get metaphysical or not metaphysical, quantum, quantum me, quantum physics. Aspect of it is that there is technically no past life. There's technically no future lives. All lives are happening at the same time, because there is no time on the other side. And we have our soul is fractals into all the so right now, you and I are in Rome, in ancient Rome. We are in ancient Atlantis in ancient Egypt, having multiple experiences, and yet they kind of ripple. So things you learn in one ripples to this life. And like I was going to learn this lesson, but I just learned it over in Egypt. Does that make any sense? Can you explain it to people?

Lynn K. Russell 44:23
Yeah, well, no, I can't, because it's confusing. But it is true that even though there is no time and we everything does happen at the same time or simultaneously, we learn. So that's a progression thing. Another thing is that people, when they're talking about their death experiences, or near death experiences, will will talk about that this happened, and then this happened, and that's a secret sequence kind of thing. And And yet, there's no time over there. So. Some, some end years will say, Well, I explained that way, because how else can I explain it to you? You know, it all happened at once, but this is the way I can make it sense for you.

Alex Ferrari 45:15
So when they and you, you kind of touched upon this that many times you have a choice on the other side. Hey, do you want to go back? I understand when you go to the other side. It's so beautiful. It's so blissful. The love is everywhere. It's something that you can't comprehend. Why would you want to come back to this? This is tough. This is heavy. This like wearing a, you know, 500 pound suit on you all the time. Many of them say, no, no, no, no, no. I don't you kidding. I'm not going back to that place. And they're either forced back, meaning, like, No, it's not your time, boop. But many times they're like, it's your choice. And a lot of times they look back and go, Oh, I can't leave my kids. Oh, I can't leave my wife. I can't leave my family. They're going to hurt too much, and that's what brings them back. What's your experience?

Lynn K. Russell 46:04
Sometimes it's a family and but I would say the majority of the people, 80% don't want to come back. There are people who say, Oh, I need to go back because I'm, you know, my children, or my job, or some, some reason they have to come back for and, but, but most people don't want to come back. And they they fight. They absolutely get into temper tantrums, and yes, and their body.

Alex Ferrari 46:39
They're like, let children like, No, I don't want to go back. No, I don't want to eat my vegetables. I do not want to eat my vegetables. No, I don't. And they because the second you get slammed back, it's, you know, depending on what situation you are in, it can be pretty, pretty rough. They do, like you say, they do. They do learn a bunch of things. They do understand things. There. The way communication is on the other side is non verbal. It's telepathic, but it's interesting. It's instant telepath. It's so you you understand everything that's happening in the scenario that you're in instantly. So it's like downloading an entire movie, yeah, in a second and just go, Oh, got it,

Lynn K. Russell 47:23
Yeah, exactly, yeah. It's just like that. Yeah, there's just everything goes boom, and all the questions that they ever thought of asking Are, are answered instantly. It is amazing, yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 47:40
So when the when these near death experiencers come back in your research, have you What have you found in regards to their psychological profile, in the sense of not only dealing with this experience in the real world, so you have this amazing, mystical experience, you get thrown back down to this, this heavy, dense, three dimensional world that we're in and and yet, they, a lot of them, I've heard, don't talk about it for 20 years. Many of them just have a problems, you know, just dealing with it. What's your experience of the because some of them are like, Woohoo. I'm ready. I got my mission. I'm ready to go, and it doesn't bother them. So again, it's case by case. But what's your experience with your research?

Lynn K. Russell 48:28
Yeah, I would say that it's maybe have a reticent talk about it, because they're told they might mention it to somebody and be told either don't tell anybody, because they're going to think you're crazy, or they get told, Oh, that was just an hallucination. Or, you know, it was the drugs that we gave you, or something like that. So yes, they don't, they don't like to be told that that's true. Wanted to mention people who've had death experiences that are our like, they wake up in the morgue in a state of rigor mortis, and they've been dead for 13 14, hours.

Alex Ferrari 49:15
Really, you've heard of those?

Lynn K. Russell 49:18
Yes, I and I have some in my book, yeah, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 49:21
Really, because I've heard, I mean, I've heard hour and a half, two hours even, that they, they've been they were gone. They should have been brain dead, multiple stories of brain dead, and there's no possible way they can come back. You have 13 to 14 hours in the morgue. They just wake that poor, that poor, that poor guy, or poor maintenance guy in the room,

Lynn K. Russell 49:45
That's exactly but, but they they can't move. They can't let anybody know that they're back. And so various ways they get that message across, usually with their eyes. They, you know, can move their. Eyes, but they can't move their body. And so they'll look at the maintenance guy, and then he'll notice, oh yeah, there's they're looking at me. And so things like that, 111, woman was being identified by her brother in law and and so he noticed that the tears coming. And so he said, Do did people cry? And that's when they realized this woman was back, but she was frozen. She couldn't she couldn't move.

Alex Ferrari 50:29
So how do you come back from it, though, physically, how do you come back from it physically, like, if you're rigor motors.

Lynn K. Russell 50:36
One girl said that it was very, very painful because the blood had, you know, whatever it's called, I forgotten the name, but

Alex Ferrari 50:44
Coagulated, yeah,

Lynn K. Russell 50:47
And so and so, she had to force her blood to start moving again through her body. And that was, she said, was the most painful thing she'd ever had to do. Yeah, I have one man, and this is recorded 29 hours. He was gone. 29 hours. Yeah, it's in my book, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 51:15
How do you explain how do you like, how does, how does a doctor explain that, like, how does how does science explain 29 hours?

Lynn K. Russell 51:25
I want to know that too. That's the one. Those are the ones the long, long term experiences, and the ones that don't happen in a hospital are the ones that I would like to see more studies done. Because when a person dies in a hospital, the hospital is probably the worst place in the world to find out if death experience is a death experience, or whether it's a near death experience, and whether it's legitimate, because when a person dies in a hospital, within minutes, they're resuscitated. So that's too soon to know whether it's real or not, or drugs or the brain breaking so on. So I want, I want more experience, more research done on those long term ones, and once they're that die out or are almost had away from the hospital where there's no immediate medical help, those are the ones I want to see more work on.

Alex Ferrari 52:31
And these, in these long term deaths that came back, they kept living a normal life after they got their body started again.

Lynn K. Russell 52:41
Yes, yes, he did Yes. Once they were thought, thought, if I could call it that, yeah, once they were no, able to move and so, but instantly they're up in the you know, as soon as somebody sees that, there are lines in vain. You know, one fellow was dead for three days, George rodnatis, Rodden. And I can't it's Rodden, but, and then it ends with AI, and he was a Russian man who got hit by a car, and they put him in the morgue because he was dead, and they left him there for three days, and he came back when they started to do an autopsy, and they were just cutting into me.

Alex Ferrari 53:30
Woke up. Oh my god. Can you imagine the poor Oh, my God, no mortician, that poor guy or gal who was doing that. I mean, that's their worst nightmare. That's their worst night. I'm sure that it's literally their worst nightmare. So from some all these years that you've been studying these, these NDS, what? In what ways do you see nd ease influencing modern spirituality?

Lynn K. Russell 53:58
Oh, I see it everywhere. I love it. I can see that that NDE's are just making such a change in the world and and that's fabulous. That is absolutely marvelous. People who tell their tell about their experience, people are more aware of oneness. They're more aware of their conscious thought. They're more aware of that there is something beyond you know, there's a lot of really beautiful things

Alex Ferrari 54:30
Now, what um? What are lessons that we can learn from NDE's, that we can integrate into our daily lives?

Lynn K. Russell 54:39
Well, my message is that you are magnificent, and you don't know it, and you really, really, really need to believe that, because you can accomplish so much more than you ever thought you could. We just put ourselves down. You know, I used to be a family cow. For 30 years, and in my work, I was absolutely astonished at how many people hate, not dislike themselves, hated themselves. They were absolutely hated themselves, and it because they didn't live up to some image that had been put for before them. And there that is almost criminal, because in reality, they are magnificent everyone.

Alex Ferrari 55:28
What part does forgiveness play in the transformative power of NDE's? Because forgiveness is something that really can liberate a human being.

Lynn K. Russell 55:37
Yes, yes. You know they get even if you have a big problem, no matter what your loved ones just to tell your audience that all issues are forgiven. It doesn't matter if you had an issue with that person before that person died, and you have it on your conscious that, oh God, they died, and I wasn't able to talk to them or work it out. It's okay, but their part of you, they love you more than more than you can ever imagine, and they've completely forgiven. Forgiveness is a big one. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 56:17
Now, how do nder's describe their connection with this higher consciousness, with this Divine Presence. What is the what is the language that they've used in your research of how they connect with this, with this consciousness, with source, if you will, or is it just something

Lynn K. Russell 56:34
That most of them will say that they felt that they were a part of the source or a part of this. But I would say that that is probably about 3020, 30% the rest of the people just see the light up there and it's it's out there. It's very beautiful. They relate to it, but that's as far as it goes. But those who actually connect with the light and talk to the light and experience the light, recognize that they are connected somehow with that light.

Alex Ferrari 57:10
Now I have to ask you this question, because I've heard these stories, and I'd love to hear if you've heard it in your research. You know, right now, we as human beings believe, many of us believe that this is it. This is the only planet in the universe that has human that has any sort of life or any sort of experience. Though, science has proven that, chances are, there's other Earth like planet, actually billions of earth like planets in the in the seeable future, seeable universe, let alone the unseeable universe. It's so massive and grand. Have you ever heard of any nd experiences that talk about other planetary experiences, other kind of bodies or other kind of species of experiences as not just human?

Lynn K. Russell 57:57
Yes, yes, yes. There are, are people who talk about that. I don't put that in my book, but, but there are people who do feel that they're connected. Oh, wait, just sorry, sorry. But

Alex Ferrari 58:16
If there was other, if there was so if the question is, if there was other in the near death experiences that they see themselves or have been in past lives, in other experiences, other planets, other kind of means besides just human,

Lynn K. Russell 58:33
Yeah, yeah. And some, some people will will ask, take me to a planet, another planet where there's life, you know, in the in this universe. And they will take, be taken there. Okay, here you are. And then they'll also be taken. One person, I remember, asked to take me to the most advanced and he went to this place where they didn't communicate this verbally. They telepathic. And they were, they were almost surreal. They were, you know, this, this life form, but, but almost like ghost, almost, but the other then that, they asked to go to one of the least evolved planets, and they went to something like, you know, Caveman kind of thing, or very primitive life forms, really.

Alex Ferrari 59:34
That's it. That's fascinating. I mean, just to go down those roads is pretty fascinating.

Lynn K. Russell 59:44
I was just going to say, if you're interested, you can probably go to NDE, nderf, Near Death Experience Research Foundation, and they have a. A search engine that you can probably find that information other planets, maybe just you know and ease on other planets or or other life forms,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:13
That would be amazing. Thank you so much for that, for that bit of information. Now, I do have to ask you, are you afraid of dying anymore?

Lynn K. Russell 1:00:21
Not anymore. No, I used to be, but, no, I'm 86 now, so I've got, I better not be, because I got a lot of stuff. I don't have one put in the grave. Though I'm doing work very well for my age, and I know unless I get into an accident, I'll be in my 90s by the by the time I leave this world. But, yeah, I just love life too much. I'm enjoying myself too much, and I have too much more to do with, to say, to write about, and, you know, tell people so, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:59
If, if there's someone watching right now who is either afraid of dying or in the process of dying, because a lot of people who watch these kinds of shows want to learn about the other side, because they're either close because of a prognosis, or they had a loved one who just who's about to go or has just gone. What? What message do you have for these people watching

Lynn K. Russell 1:01:26
Well, one of the messages is to know that your loved one is very aware of you and what's happening in your life. Because I repeatedly hear people say, I wish so and so I've been here for this wedding or this graduation or for this award or whatever, and they are, they're there. They hear it, they see it. They know what's going on. They know they connect with us very intimately. So that's that's not a big deal. So Don't, don't feel that they haven't been there because they have. And as I said before, all issues are gone. They don't exist. They're just a myth. Death is a beautiful experience, and it's like going home. That's what everybody says. I want to go home like once they've been there and they they want to go back. They say that they want to go back home. So to them, that's home and and so it's like a rest period in between lives.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:30
Yeah. So what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Lynn K. Russell 1:02:35
Oh, a fulfilled life. You know what? We are not here to suffer, to suffer to to have all the angst that we have in this world. We're not here for that. We're here to experience, to be, to exist, to get in there and just be as much as we can be in our particular field, whatever that is. And so that's, that's our reality is to get in there, and that's what we're here for, is to enjoy it. We're here to be there's a there's a wonderful experience that that I love, and her name is Hafur, H, A, F, U, R, and you can find her by going googling her name, Hafur nde, and she was just an ordinary housewife. She had no interest in this whole spiritual business at all. And she had such a profound death experience, and came back with such magnificent lessons and understanding that she spells out in very clear language, and most of it is the beauty and she says repeatedly, I wasn't supposed to be suffering like I am or like I was. I was here to have fun. I was here to enjoy life and be and so, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:07
Now if you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Lynn, what advice would you give her?

Lynn K. Russell 1:04:12
To little Lynn? Oh, yeah, you know little Lynn was, it was my childhood, and my earlier years were really quite rough, and so I've had a very difficult time, and I and I was assessed as mentally slow and put into special classes for kids that are mentally slow. And being mentally slow, everybody made my decisions for me. But the other thing that happened with that was that abuse, because, you know, I don't count as much, and so that was my childhood experience. And if I could go back and talk to that woman or that child, I would tell her to have faith, to know. That everything is going to be beautiful in the end.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:03
Oh, that's great message. How do you define God or Source?

Lynn K. Russell 1:05:09
Oh, just Well, I think that God love is the love that we feel, is our reconnection to the power or the essence of our being, which is love. I think God's essence is love, and that love is the power that it creates with. So that would be one thing, but also consciousness. So I see God as a positive creative force. I don't see God as a person or a being or any as a matter of fact. To be honest, I don't even think there's a light. I think people see light because we need something to relate to. But I think in in reality, source or the positive energy doesn't have anything. It's just a being.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:07
What is love?

Lynn K. Russell 1:06:11
Love is the essence of our being. Love is the essence of who we are. We are. We are created in love, and we are love, and so my motto when that dip at the bottom of my when I send things out, is to be the love that we are, because that's, that's our reality.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:32
What is the ultimate purpose of life?

Lynn K. Russell 1:06:35
Oh, ultimate of giving back to source, to being, to helping source, to be to experience and know itself.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:47
And where can people find out more about you, your new your book, and all the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Lynn K. Russell 1:06:54
Um, well, my book is Beyond And Ease the next step in near death experience research, and you can find me on Facebook, on LinkedIn, and and, and I have a YouTube channel, Lynn Lynn K Russell channel, and my name Lynn K, you have to put the K in there, or else you never find me, because there's a bazillion Lynn Russell's in the world, and so Lynn K Russell just Google my name and you'll find me and and I also have a website, and I have a contact on my website, so you can find me there as well.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:36
And that would be lynnkrussell.com

Lynn K. Russell 1:07:40
lynnkrussell.com yes.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:42
Okay, perfect. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Lynn K. Russell 1:07:46
Just what I've already said, that believe in yourself, trust yourself, know that you are much, much more than you think you are, and that you can do way more than you think you can do. That's my big message.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:00
Lynn, it has been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you today. It's been refreshing and wonderful, and I learned a bunch of stuff in this conversation, and I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken the planet. So thank you again.

Lynn K. Russell 1:08:14
Thank you. I appreciate being here. I've enjoyed chatting with you great questions.