Channeled Messages of Hope for Mankind with Lori Spagna

Alex Ferrari 0:00
But when you first heard the first dog say, Hey, man, how you doing lori?

Lori Spagna 0:04
Our human identification of animals is that they're like somehow less than us, or that they're not as divinely intelligent as us, somehow, but in reality, they're also consciousness, the free will choice will continue for that is God's law. That is part of universal law that exists in your reality.

Alex Ferrari 0:26
What spiritual truths remain constant and grounding?

Lori Spagna 0:30
One can choose to align with the agenda of the light, which is to expand expansion into pure frequencies of consciousness, be lovingly in a sense, forced to make new choices, either to choose to expand into the light or to choose to extinguish you.

Alex Ferrari 1:09
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show Lori Spagna, how you doing Lori?

Lori Spagna 1:32
I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me Alex, I'm really happy to be here.

Alex Ferrari 1:36
Oh, thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm really looking forward to our conversation today, you are a channel, a trans channel, which we will do a little channeling session later. But your journey and your abilities are very interesting to me. We do a little animal communication. You do a couple other things. So before we jump into the deep end of the pool, as we like to say, what was your life like before, this insanity of being a champion, all of these spiritual gifts that are not, you know, not, let's say in the mainstream.

Lori Spagna 2:10
Well, out of college, you know, I went into corporate America. From the first week, I was like, this is slavery. I don't know how I'm going to do this. I don't know how I'm going to survive this. In the 20 years of working in corporate America, I developed all kinds of coping mechanisms, obsessive like behavioral, behavioral patterns, drinking, smoking, like extreme to the extreme. And in those 20 years of developing all those unhealthy behavioral I was going to doctors, and they were pumping me up with massive doses of Big Pharma drugs. And what ended up happening, after 20 years of just being way overweight, couldn't get to sleep at night, thyroid was off, hair was falling out, oh, like, just everything you know, going into work, drunk, like crazy stuff. Eventually, what happened was my brother died, and as many people do have a divine he was my divine wake up call, right? So I started getting messages. He died of a drug overdose, which effectively is a suicide, at least in his case, it certainly was. And he came to me very quickly. And then it was like a year of unpacking that, like, is this real? And after about a year, I really got it like you're on the same trajectory, you have to change your ways. So I ended up quitting that corporate job, and I became a dog trainer, and I right away started hearing the dogs, and they would say, you listen to us. We'll teach you. We're going to teach you. We're here to help. So that became, that was like the big wake up call. But even from there, I ended up moving from at that time, Los Angeles to Maui, and I spent two years in Maui, and I was working with incredible masters who were teaching me how to work with energy and working with like the healing arts and learning how to use consciousness to shift and energy to shift, my entire physicality within those two years, all those unhealthy behaviors were gone like almost overnight. Smoking two packs a day for 20 years, gone practically overnight. All the alcohol, all the pharmaceutical drugs, like gone overnight. Because, in a sense, I got rightly aligned with my true, what I would call my true divine reason for being here, my true divine purpose for being here. And it was through those experiences that my whole energy and consciousness consciousness started to shift. So since then, there's just been continuous, like unpacking, clearing, healing, resolving issues, right? And that's what I do now. I just help other people to to do that stuff too.

Alex Ferrari 4:49
So Lori, when, when you were talking to me about your brother, it sounded very Christmas carol like, very Charles Dickens that he passed and he comes home like, if you don't change your ways, you will, you will have to care. In the chains, like, I do kind of go down the Christmas carol vibe, but when that happened, you said you spent a year on packing.

Lori Spagna 5:08
Yeah, because that's when it that's when it was starting at first. You know, you think, when this stuff starts happening for, I think, I can't speak for everybody, but it's like, you're insane, like that. Can't possibly be your brother, and I can't possibly be your brother sending you messages or talking to you or lighting up. So it the earliest stages can be some of the slowest stages. Like, I go to bed at night, every night with my eyes closed, getting visuals and images and being like this is insane. Like, what does all this mean? And then I'd hear things, you know, and I get voices, and a lot of dead people came to me too during those initial two years, a lot of relatives, right? Because you're just breaking through the thresholds of what your consciousness up until those initial breakthroughs will tolerate, right? And it makes no sense to the rational thinking left brain, right but really what's happening is when your psychic abilities are beginning. What's happening is your third eye, you know, your pineal pituitaries are getting those master glands are getting activated. It was a massive purification, because I was cleaning out just just through resonance all the crap that I had taken into my body, and as I was becoming more joyful, I was able to connect in a more clear, this clear and authentic way that I just had to develop through practice. And I didn't have any teachers. I didn't know anyone who knew how to do this stuff. So that's how it all. That's really how it started, and even with the channel, the channeling, which I know we'll get into, I had a lot of beings in the first two years would come to me, and they'd be some of them were dead relatives, but there were a lot of, like, famous people too, and then there were just beings. And they'd be like, let us channel through you. And I'd be like, No, you're not, like, hijacking my body like No, I'm not allowing that. And I think looking back, I was always meant to be a channel, but I was meant to develop and cultivate my unique way of doing it, because I don't allow beings to come in and through my body. I unify in consciousness with the field where they are. So I'm just merging and unifying. Because, as you know, all beings in the so called higher dimensional realms that are beyond like the lower frequencies, they're just omnipresent, right? So unifying with them at a certain frequency, wherever they are, their frequency of consciousness, it just becomes, I'm at one with them. I'm not really in a trance, so to speak. I'm not letting someone hijack or take over my body. I'm unifying and merging. And that's how it all started, like I would just sometimes, even with the channeling, it would be like I was in the early stages relaying. I'd be like instant hearing, instant seeing, instant knowing, and then I'd relay it, and then eventually it's like, oh, it's just so much faster if I just unify and merge. Does that make sense? It makes kind of expanded on your question. But I hope that makes sense.

Alex Ferrari 8:12
And then, and I get that, I get all of that, and that all makes perfect sense to me. The you know, I see, I see dead people, cool. I talk to dead people. Got it. I channel other beings solid. But when you start hearing dogs talking to you where, this is where the Son of Sam starts to show,

Lori Spagna 8:37
I love that you say that, yeah, but here's See, here's the thing. So that's because our human our human identification of animals is that they're like somehow less than us, or that they're not as divinely intelligent as us, somehow. But in reality, they're also consciousness. We are all consciousness, perceiving reality through our frequency bandwidth, through the lens of consciousness of who we are being. So in a sense, the animals are doing that too, but they have a divine mission and purpose for being here that is beyond egoic, what we call egoic structure. Also, we do have to ask, we really do need to ask our the collective, I know they want to share about this egoic structure in any case. So, so the animals they they're not functioning from, like the reptilian brain stem or the left analytical brain, they're functioning from awareness. So they just have this awareness. So it's the same concept of like, if I just tell you, think of an elephant. Well, you were aware of an elephant before we said, think of it, right? They have just this awareness. And the moment their awareness is aware that your awareness is aware of them, there's this telepathic sharing that's going on, and it's just a different brainwave frequency than we're using, because we're right now using a beta right? It's just another it's the theta brainwave that they're communicating in. It's not usually what can. In English words. It definitely can be in any language of words as we know it, but they're so even beyond that, they're just sharing all these awarenesses. Sometimes it's visuals, sometimes it's sounds, smells, all the same things associated with all the Claire's. And it's up to us to to either unpack it and, you know, translate it, that's, it's so, it's so, to me, it's so basic in a way, right? It is just,

Alex Ferrari 10:29
But when you first heard the first dog say, Hey, man, how you doing Lori?

Lori Spagna 10:36
I'll tell you. So what happened was, for you, okay, I'll tell you, I love that. You asked that. So, because what happened was, I was working in corporate America, my brother was like, get out of this. You're a slave, and this is not going to be good for you. You're headed down a wrong and my whole life, I really had this mantra since seven years old, right? And which is, when people start that's like a threshold of awakening at the seven year old mark. And so I had this thing, like, I just want to be of service to animals on a global scale. That was like my mantra since seven and of course, my, you know, my programming, of my upbringing, was, well, you can't do that. You won't make any money. You can't survive at that. So I had to break through that limitation for myself, like, how do I be of service to animals on a global scale? But that was always part of my soul's agenda. So when I quit the corporate America job, I became a dog trainer. I was hired by a guy who spent 20 years working for the government, the military training, military service animals. And when he was done working with the government, he just started dog training business, and he hired and trained his his his trainers. So I got hired by him, and when he was teaching us, it was, you're not allowed to think. Everything has to be automatic pilot, no thinking. And he was videotaping us and critiquing us for the first, I don't know, six months or not six quite six months, but the number of, number of months we were working in shelters, and we were being videotaped and critiqued, and I had to learn how to not use my brain. So I'm on automatic pilot, and in that empty space, that's when I could hear the dogs. It was like, yeah. It was like, Yeah, you think you're training us. No, listen and I'll teach you. That's what they would say. And after a while it just became like, Okay, well, what. Well, what? And then it was like, Well, we're here to help the humans, and if you want to help us, then learn from us. Because what the animals are doing, effectively is they are all of them. Not only are they sponges, so they have, like, overall, three reasons for being here, three or four. One is that they're showing humans what energy is because that's the future, that's the evolutionary journey that we're on becoming energetically conscious beings. So they're showing us what energy is by sponging up and absorbing the energy that's around them and then mirroring that. So if an animal lives with a human, they're going to display behaviors and illnesses, potentially diseases, that are in their environment, right? To teach their human either what needs to be healed and resolved or what behavioral patterns are present, right? So that's one of their primary reasons. Of course, they're also healers, so when they're sponging energy up, they're basically doing their best, in a sense, to to shift the energy in the home, if it's if it can be healed or resolved somehow, which all everything's healable. And then the other one of the other ways that they're serving is just to anchor in energies, for example, like they don't have to learn forgiveness. That's not, that's not something they have to learn, or they don't have to learn. You know, they don't have to learn the kind of love that we're learning, right, unconditional love. They just have that right. They don't have to learn a lot of the behaviors or the qualities that we're learning, and you're our being, those energies.

Alex Ferrari 14:06
So you're talking more about like domesticated animals is what you're speaking of, right?

Lori Spagna 14:10
Yes, but this is true for wild animals too. They're just serving in a different capacity. They're not necessarily teaching their human that they live with. You know, you could pick any animal in the wild, like the elephants are stored. They have stored up all the records, right? I know you've had a lot of people talk about the Akashic records. The elephants are keepers of the earth records. So if you learn to communicate with an elephant, you can access the records of the history of Earth. Whales have it for all the seas, all the waters. Dolphins have it to so they're storing up information, energy and consciousness that's available to us. Because, of course, we're not always getting the truth through our mainstream ways of learning. You can't a lot of the stuff that they have to offer. You can't learn in a book, right? You can't just regurgitate it. So I. They all have different roles to play, all the different animals, and they're all teaching some kind of lessons or higher learning or wisdom, and they're all holding or embodying frequencies of energy that are designed for us to potentially receive and absorb and become or share in some way. It's all about growth and transformation, right? I mean, you could spend hours just unpacking all that stuff with the animals. Does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 15:30
It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. So when you left corporate America and decided to become a dog trainer, which obviously that's what you do?

Lori Spagna 15:41
I had a six figure credit card debt. Then at that time, too, I'm not kidding, six figure credit card debt that I had tried for 20 years. Well, I it developed, right? I tried to get rid of it. I couldn't, but the moment I started shifting, that started it. Within two years that was gone, completely gone.

Alex Ferrari 15:59
I want to unpack this for a second. This for a second. This is really, really important, because something similar happened to me when I was going through that time period in my life, debt and all that stuff. It happened to me when I was younger. Thank God. But So on a logical standpoint for everyone watching on a logical standpoint, leaving a corporate gig which was paying you, I'm assuming, decently well, if you were there 20 years, right?

Lori Spagna 16:20
But I spending more than I was. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 16:23
That's not that was your problem because I did the same.

Lori Spagna 16:28
Wait, can I just say I didn't I know I'm interrupting you, but what had gotten, what had happened was the pain had gotten so bad that I got to a point where I would have rather died. I would have rather died than to continue in that corporate America slave it just was not working for me. And that's how come in a way, I I think that's all part of the journey, you know that anyway, let me let you finish.

Alex Ferrari 16:53
The point I was trying to make is that, so you left this, this, you know, quote, unquote, cushy job, meaning that it was paying you. You weren't happy, but it was paying you, and you decided to become a dog trainer. And on a logical standpoint, this makes no sense whatsoever, because you're not going to get yourself out of debt by being a dog trainer. Because unless you're being paid six figures or seven figures to be a dog trainer, it's not going to help you get out. But somehow, because you started to follow your own bliss, your alignment doors started to open, opportunities presented themselves where you were able to get out of debt. And that's the lesson I want people listening to kind of pull from here. It's that logical path, you know, podcasting not a logical path. You know, from where I came from, so it's all about following your bliss, as Joseph Campbell used to say, bliss. Would that? Would you agree with this?

Lori Spagna 17:49
Yeah, absolutely. And not only following my bliss, but following what was my what, what I what, where my gifts really were, like in corporate America, I was just doing like a doer, but when I was following my gifts, it was just this stuff was revealing itself to me. So I didn't, I don't feel that I ever had to learn animal communication. I feel that I I'm certain that I've learned it in other time, space, realities, other incarnations, and that as I became more and more aligned with who I truly am, it just was revealing itself to me like you didn't know this was in you all along. And the other stuff that I was using as coping mechanisms or buffering, the alcohol, whatever, the cigarettes, the food, all that stuff, I just wasn't needing that anymore. So it was dropping away, because really within us, we already, all of us already have our greatest gifts and potentials within us. And when I say within us, I don't just mean within the physicality of who we are, or just within our unconscious, because we're so much more than not only, yes, you know the physicality, but we're more than the emotionality. That's just another dimensional body that is part of who we are. We're so much more than the mentality, the mental body of who we are. We're so much more than the energetic, the auric, all these levels and layers or frequency bandwidths of who we are. This is what we refer to when we say the multi dimensionality we're all of who we are is within us. So anyone's greatest gifts, talents and abilities, it's not just following your joy, but yes, I completely agree with that, but it's also revealing to yourself who you truly are based on you coming into alignment. Because that's the name of the game. It's alignment with your highest, most authentic expression of not just even expression, the divinity that is within you as a, as an, as a multi dimensional being who is an aspect of this divine source that is consciousness. It is consciousness. It's always. Is infinitely present, and it's just about us allowing that to to be birthed through us and to reveal itself to us, right? It's all stored within us.

Alex Ferrari 20:11
Yeah, exactly. But when you decided to come out of the closet, if you will, with all your abilities, and it's one thing to do this, quietly, public, you know, quietly, maybe a few friends. But when you publicly come out to start doing this, how did you for others listening who might be going through the same path? How did you overcome the fear? Because I have to believe, the first time you told somebody,

Lori Spagna 20:36
Yeah, my very first, first time I told somebody, I told a friend of mine, and we were both into, like, you know, we were into this stuff together, you know, tarot cards and all that. And she was like, I can't be your friend anymore. So, yeah, I get it that happens. But she was like, I can't handle you think you're an you think you're God, and so am I like, you like but we all are aspects of that source, but she stopped being my friend. So yeah, I had to face that pretty early on. And of course, I went through a divorce during that window, because the husband that I was married to was definitely not into this stuff. He thought I was whacked. My family thought I was whacked. And I think that's part of why. Part of the journey was to go to Maui, because you could be like, in a sort of isolated place and develop I was developing my gifts in a sort of isolated way. But honestly, I was always a black sheep. So in a way, I just overcame that very early on, because the higher truth is is like, who cares whoever you have to say goodbye to on your journey, then they're not meant to be there as you grow into or expand into more of the light that you are, as you become more of your authentic self. And those beings who you're meant to interact with more and more are going to see and recognize that brilliance within you, because it's we're all so brilliant. We're all this, this magnificence that's birthing itself right now, right? So if someone can handle it like, I love You, I bless you, I honor you, thank you. I wish you your best. We have no further business together. That's it.

Alex Ferrari 22:12
Would you agree that one of the main reasons we are down here in incarnation is to overcome fear in all aspects of of living in general?

Lori Spagna 22:23
I would see, I would say that that's a necessary part of the journey. You absolutely have to transmute all fear, because the fear is part of the density of the experience associated with separation, right? So in order to really come into alignment with your source and to awaken that divinity from within you and rebirth yourself anew, in a sense, the fear can does not have a space there. There's just no place for it. It's just like, you know, glass of ice cube, you know you're going to put something new in and whatever has been filled up, the whole in that cup that's no longer serving has to come out, right? So yes, I do think we're here to transmute but I don't think that's the real purpose. I think the real purpose is to remember and reclaim the divinity of who we are and to birth it and bring it into this reality. And I think that the game on Earth right now is to awaken into the recognition of that, the remembrance, the reclamation of that. And yeah, it requires a transmutation of fear, for sure.

Alex Ferrari 23:35
Yeah, if you're remembering who you are, then the fear naturally dissipates

Lori Spagna 23:39
Naturally, but also requires. It's not it's not always passive, you know? And this is one of those things, like when we start to work with the divine through direct experience. And I'm not talking this isn't something that can be done through the brain. I know you know this. It's not a brain thing. The brain becomes a tool, but it is never orchestrating this. No way It's so it's really on a certain level for location. We could say it's through the heart center, which is a portal, right? That's why this chakra of the heart has two colors. You know, green is the earthly. You know, magenta, pink is the higher realms. But really, it's not even through the physical, right? It's really more about coming into alignment through what we could call the sacred, the core. You could say it's the Sacred Heart Center, but really it's the center core of being at one with all that is and and through that alignment, that unification, the fear does it just starts to evaporate. There's no place for it there. There's no fear there. There is no fear there. There's just this infinite consciousness that's infinitely present and can provide anything we need, in a sense, and it shows up in the physical world in a way of divine timing, right? Like, oh, okay, I need x, y, z, for my thriving, for my. My surviving, for my prospering, for my contribution into this world, and then in a way that that's aligned shows up. Does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 25:09
It does. And it's our own belief system is on our own programming that stop that from happening in many ways, where yeah, all those Yes, overcome all of that stuff, because it's one thing, like, I really need this to come into my life, but in the back of your head, I don't really believe this will ever,

Lori Spagna 25:24
Yeah, that's all the doubt and the mental activity in the mental plane, right? Because right within us, there's the electromagnetic field, then we've got the physical body, then we've got the emotionality. That's density, right? Like, like, we're not our emotions. I'm not suggesting we deny the emotional body, but I'm saying we are not our emotions. That's just energy. And then you've got your mental which is, like, the mental plane is like lighter, not as heavy, but still, the mental body has all kinds of interference, thoughts, beliefs, belief systems, other kinds of entanglements and that stuff interfere, doubts, right, disbeliefs. So, yes, exactly what you just said, It interferes, for sure.

Alex Ferrari 26:12
So, um, you do? You are a channel. So, so when you were you the way you were explaining how you channel is interesting. So you don't step aside. You don't just go to the back seat. You integrate with the beings or the collective as they come in. What do you mean by integrate, merge, merge. So how explain that?

Lori Spagna 26:33
Yeah. So, so traditional channeling, old school. I call it old school channeling from sort of old paradigm teachings is the human identity has to step aside and allow some other being to take over their form. And I get it, that's old school channeling. I was never willing to do that because, in a way, you're giving up a part of your free will. You're saying, Okay, I'm no, I'm no longer going to operate this vehicle and I'm going to let someone else basically hijack that's not okay with me. I get it. It's not dissing. It just wasn't okay for me. So when I was approached over the years by lots of beings, masters, angels, beings, I didn't even know to let me channel, I'd be like, No, you can't come into my body. I'm not letting you and so just over the years, what I started to realize was when I got into that state where I was so aligned, and that my my energy field was so purified, in a sense, there was no interference I could identify over time. Who are you, and who do you serve, and what's your agenda? This is really important. We have to know who are these beings. There's a lot of tricksters. There's a lot of beings representing who aren't necessarily who they are. It's all part of the game. No wrongness. But I knew I only wanted that which was really pure, that was in service to what I call God, Source Creator, the infinite, the all that is the spark, the flame, the divine. And I only wanted the most degree of accuracy, so I wasn't willing to tolerate anything that wasn't that. So over time, I'd be like, who are you? Who do you serve? What's your agenda? And more and more, I started to realize, like, I'm only interested in beings who serve the light, God, source, creator, the infinite, the all that is and that their agenda is in service to the light. And so I started to be able to identify them, who are they like, etc. And then I would allow them, in a sense, to give me what I wanted, and I'd relay it. It was a relay. But what I started to realize it was just so much faster if I just allowed myself, in a sense, to just kind of become one with them in the field. So this is why they call themselves the collective. Because I'm in that collective. I'm part of that collective, and so we're just as a collective, just bringing through what that sub collective within the collective wants to share. Does that make sense? Perfect sense. So can all energy and consciousness is omnipresent, always present, always available. It's a matter of being able to unify with the frequency, the energetic vibrations of where those beings or at the frequency of light and consciousness, where those beings are energetically residing, so to speak, right?

Alex Ferrari 29:26
You have to turn the dial on the radio to tune in to that specific because broadcasting all the time. If, if the radio is off, it's off, or if you don't have the right dial, you're not going to hear it, but it's always the signal is always there, yes, and then do you get? What's your process to go

Lori Spagna 29:44
It just as a matter of just getting taking a few breaths and asking them, in fact, because they're always present with me. So do you want to just ask any question, or do you want me to just allow them to come through,

Alex Ferrari 29:56
Allow them to come through, and if they want to say anything to the audience. Is because I'm sure they have a few things to say before I start asking questions. They're more than welcome to.

Lori Spagna 30:04
Awesome and just so you know too. Like, I'm really it's quite easy for me to come back and for like, in and out. I'm not like in a deep trance, it's just again.

Alex Ferrari 30:15
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Lori Spagna 31:33
Good so yes, Greetings and blessings, beloveds, we are here with you today. We are identifying as the collective, and we would like to clarify as this has been already addressed, we would like to clarify more regarding this topic of the light, the dark, the various agendas and which that which has not yet been addressed, the difference between good and evil, or right and wrong. And we will elaborate on all of this, if you will allow us a few moments to do so. Please. First, the agenda of the light. Let us define this, and let us also explain the various agendas in your physical, earthly realm. The agenda of the light is as we define it, the one that is aligned with God. The word that you utilize in this physical world is God, although it may be also identified as source, Spark, flame, infinite. All that is omniscient, omnipresent. There are indeed, perhaps infinite ways to describe this source. Regardless, God is the word you are most aligned with, although we hesitate to use this word or overuse this word as it is often related to religion and religious ideologies which, in and of themselves, are quite limiting, nonetheless, the agenda of the light is that which serves God's plan for lighted creation. And you are all part of God's plan. And you are all part of lighted creation. None of you, not one of you, would exist if you were not and this is why you all are infinitely, inherently valuable, worthy, important, deserving and matter, and not to mention, as you are all beginning to recognize loved and lovable. Now this is the agenda of the light. And again, we caution you here not to confuse this with the difference between good and bad or good and evil, right and wrong. We will get to that. Now let us identify the agenda of the dark, which is, again, not to be confused. The agenda of the dark is to allow for that which has been to continue. And even perhaps it could be also said that the agenda, if the dark, includes contraction, constriction, limitation, lack various degrees of separation, Separation from Source, separation from one another, separation from anything or everything. And the agenda of the dark overall is that which allows for more expansion to come through, although it does not provide for the expansion, it provides for the darkness of which and out of which the light emerges or expands from. The agenda of the light is an agenda of expansion. Now there are other agendas that are worthy of mentioning here. This includes the agenda of the egoic structure, the inertia. This can be identified as personality or human. Egoic identification, easiest defined as service to the self. And this is beginning slowly to transform into another agenda, which is the agenda of service to the greater good, which eventually will expand if one continues on their journey into more of the agenda of the light, but service to the greater good still includes a great degree of egoic structure. Now there is another agenda, and that is the agenda of the balance. And this is also an important agenda for without the balance, what you refer to as hell could break loose on planet Earth, in other words, incredible amount of instability. So the agenda of the balance is to keep the growth and expansion in a proportionate way to that which allows for the old paradigm or the contraction or the agenda of the dark to coexist together so the expansion can continue without complete and total instability. So these are the primary agendas. There is one more aspect with regard to the agenda that falls under the agenda of the dark, which we would like to elaborate on here. And that is where we bring into into concept this, I this concept of good and bad, or evil and light. Evil is simply the desire or the attempt, the deliberate attempt, to usurp free will choice, and it exists as a creation of human consciousness from within the agenda of the dark. So in other words, out of the dark, which provides for expansion through human free will choice, an agenda of evil was birthed. And this evil is the attempt to usurp free will choice. And this agenda is is exacerbating on your earth experience, but it is not an agenda that we would support or agree with for it is an agenda that is coming to its extinguishment in the years ahead. It is meant to be extinguished. It will not be tolerated, and it is being exposed as many of you are becoming more and more aware of, not to be confused, of course, with the polarity extreme of the agenda of good, or so called positivity, for this agenda, while it is also an experience that is born out of the experience of duality. It is simply another judgment term of what is good or right versus what is wrong or evil. You see, it is all human structure born out of a game of duality, which is now shifting into a game that will eventually become plurality, that is the experience of choosing through consciousness and vibration, all is available here now.

Alex Ferrari 38:15
Thank you so much for that

Lori Spagna 38:16
There's a pause there. Does that make sense?

Alex Ferrari 38:18
It makes perfect sense. All right, the first question is, how does the globe How do the global conflicts that are going on in the world today mirror the inner battle humanity is facing on a soul level?

Lori Spagna 38:30
It is certain to say that all, all that is taking place on your world stage is but a drama, an unfolding of unresolved issues that exist within the whole of humanity's consciousness. So when one, when the group, when the collective of humanity, witnesses experiences, they are witnessing unresolved issues. Let us point to some specifics. If one or the collective sees our witnesses, and that as the human consciousness evolves and begins to recognize to greater and greater degrees the inherent value that all of you have, which is why, in the earlier part of the sharing, we brought this to the light in a verbal way, as you all become more and more consciously aware of your inherent value, that You are loved, worthy and deserving, because you exist Period, end of sentence, and as you might say, mic drop, this type of experience will begin to become eradicated. It is just one example to continue with your questioning. Another example, for example, in the United States, your current world president is one who represents the patriarchy, the oligarchy, the false authority, who simply is a tyrant or a petty tyrant. You may like the person. This is not about the person or his leadership. It is about the archetypical pattern that this one is poor. Train see. Because your question was, how does what is going on show up in the world stage? And this is what we are saying. This is not about the personality necessarily. It is about the archetypical pattern that the world stage is demonstrating. We could go on with this when beings, for example, choose of their own free will. A subtle example, more subtle that they want their videos to go viral or something to go viral for they want attention. This is another example of inviting in something such as a viral type of experience. Human consciousness is always being reflected on the world stage. What we would advise here, or perhaps suggest, is that humans begin to recognize the higher agenda, or the the agenda of the light, which is to begin to go in to transform the external experience through transforming the internal experience, we recognize that that is much of what you are bringing through this particular podcast. These are just some examples. We hope this has been helpful.

Alex Ferrari 41:04
It has. It has in times of economic uncertainty, what spiritual truths remain constant and grounding

Lori Spagna 41:14
In times of economic uncertainty, the spiritual truths that remain constant and certain are these. Your source is your provider, your connection with your Source, your unification with your Source, is the ultimate provider. And as you stated earlier, this may not necessarily be based entirely only on the human choice of what the human believes they need or want, but it is always based on the higher truth that you will be provided for, always. You are not meant to be different from the birds or other animal species who are always provided for. You are always provided for, even in the moments when you feel that you are not provided for, even in the moments where your personality self may identify with the frequency bandwidth of not having enough, you are being provided for. Else you would not be here now. Else you would not have even the technology to listen or to watch here now, you are always provided for. You will always be provided for for as long as you exist, and you have always existed and always will you will be provided for. Your needs. Will always be provided for. But what is required is that you start to shift your human mentality into the knowing that this is absolutely true, and not just the knowing through the mental state, but through the energetic field, the frequency that you embody into the full and complete embodiment of knowing that you will always be provided for, that you will always have enough, and that you actually always have had enough, otherwise you would not be here. Now this is challenging for many humans, but it is the recognition that is required for challenging economic times. And we would also like to say that it is also important to realize that your so called old paradigm, often referred to as third dimension, the physical earthly world, is built out of structures that were not necessarily defined, devised for the good of all. This is part of what is shifting, as we have stated. So these old structures that are simply unsustainable are, as you are seeing, serving the few to the harm and detriment of the many they were not born out of. They were not they were born out of egoic structure, as we defined earlier so and through egoic structure. So these structures are beginning to as you are already aware, expose themselves and ultimately be replaced by entirely new architecture. When we talk about architecture, we are talking about energetic structure that is being birthed in and through you, that already exists, which is entirely sustainable, which is based on Divine Source alignment that will always provide for You. It is not a changing of or a reformation of that which was once created. It is a complete transformation. It is not even it is brand new, in a sense, born of an entirely new paradigm of consciousness and based in an entirely new architectural structure formed of energy and consciousness that is, that is in the All Knowing that it will provide for all, that all will always be eternally provided for, you see, and as one and all become more aligned and attuned to it and with it, this will become the new dynamic for all. But what is. Required is a shifting, energetic attunement, vibrational change, and that is what is happening.

Alex Ferrari 45:08
Where do you see humanity going in the next, rest of this year, the rest of this decade, and in the near future, because of all of the shifting, all of the structures crumbling, that we're not serving the greater good. There seems to be much chaos in the world, and many people are afraid. Many souls are afraid of what's happening and where everything's going with Mother Nature, with politics, with media, with food, with every aspect of our world seems to be shifting and changing so rapidly that it is terrifying for many people. Yes, yes, where do you see us going in the next year, next five years, and on onward, after that?

Lori Spagna 45:53
So we'd like to offer two answers to this question. For these are both required. One is regard to where do we see us going, where where is humanity going? And one is how to address or to navigate, navigate best in these during these shifting times. So with regard to where humanity is going, clearly there are two options. One can choose to align with the agenda of the light, which is to expand, which will still provide for the experience of duality, in other words, separation. To the degree that an oak tree will always be an oak tree and a maple tree will still be a maple tree, there will still be differentiation, you see, but the agenda of the light is the path of unification with source alignment, with source expansion into pure frequencies of consciousness. So when we say, where do we see people going? This is a choice based on free will. One must choose it, and the only way that one can really, truly, ultimately align with it is through direct experience. It is not something that can be learned through the brain, and this is what the old school teachers have always known. However, their teachings have become somewhat limited in a sense, for they are based on old structures, which are very slow and methodical. So what we are offering in the second part will address this, the second part of our answer, the other option based on free will is for people to continue to choose the agenda of the dark meaning, contraction, restriction, limitation, old structures that are collapsing and no longer serving their good, old ways of thinking, perceiving, believing, behaving, emoting, energetic frequencies that are so limited In their structure and dynamic that they themselves are unsustainable. If beings continue to choose this, they will eventually be, lovingly, in a sense, forced to make new choices, either to choose to expand into the light or to choose to extinguish, in other words, complete this part of their journey in the physical world. For these frequencies are no longer sustainable, and they will continue to self extinguish. This is not discompassionate. This is an honest answer. Beings are having the choice to shift their energetic vibration and consciousness to allow for the experience of duality to continue and yet alive align themselves energetically with entirely new frequencies, vibrations and consciousness expansion, or to choose not to change. It is that simple, the free will, choice will continue for that is God's law that is part of universal law that exists in your reality. So free will choice remains. The question is, what will humans choose? As humans choose to align more and more with the agenda of the light that allows for greater experience, they will find that their choices become more vast, more wide, more enjoyable, more pleasurable, less dense and heavy, less entangled in that which is often referred to as egoic structure or old paradigm or third dimension. These are just terminologies. You see, it is the ultimate evolution of consciousness that we are speaking of, and free will still reigns supreme. So this is how we see this unfolding. Now let us address the second part, as we mentioned, which is how. Humans as they are quite afraid. Many humans are experiencing the game of fear, and it does not feel like a very fun game, we are aware and this is because the old energetics associated with that which is collapsing has been essentially controlled, dominated and manipulated with the energetic frequencies of fear. And these energetic frequencies of fear include doubt, disbelief, grief, all forms of suffering associated with worry, regret, remorse, guilt, shame, blame, etc. These frequencies, these energetic entanglements, are quite challenging to break free from. So even if one is choosing to align with the light, they still must break free or somehow transmute or liberate their identity, their human experience from the energies of fear. And so in order to do that, they must find a practice that works for them. There are many teachers, such as the one whose voice box is being utilized now, and many others, many of whom have been guests on this particular podcast who will assist with this. Ultimately, it is within each being, but from the human identification. Most humans have not learned, not through left brain learning, but through direct experience, how to transmute that so they must find a practice that works for them, where they are taught how to have embody a direct experience that allows for this transmutation of fear. This is not something that is meant to be traversed through old paradigm teachings. This is something that is meant to be traversed through an entirely new direct experience, unification with source. As humans learn to do this and practice it, they will see through direct experience, not only that they liberate themselves from fear and associated fear based frequencies, but that new possibilities and potentials reveal to them that are eradicated, that they are eradicated, freed and liberated from those fear based frequencies, and through the revealing of the new potentials, they are energetically aligned with everything that is available to them as they evolve.

Alex Ferrari 52:42
Is there a higher purpose or a karmic lesson behind the recurring cycles of war and violence that humanity

Lori Spagna 52:50
To choose something new. That is, there's so much laughter It's like to just choose something new. I'm relaying this, not channeling direct, right? But that's what they're saying. Just choose something new, like when they're laughing, it's there's so much joy, because it's not like condescending, it's just the energy of joy. Choose something new. Okay, I'll allow this. Please come through. What we'd like you to understand is that the energies of war are a game of what you refer to as your old paradigm in the game of duality, the game of separation, what is often referred to as we have mentioned, the game of the third dimensional paradigm that which you are all breaking free of, and while there is a dark agenda and an agenda of evil to usurp human free will and to control, dominate and manipulate and coerce them into some kind of war based type of reality, fighting, separation, duality, right, wrong, etc. This is no longer being tolerated. Human consciousness, as is it evolving, is no longer choosing it, and we are inviting more and more of you to understand energetic vibration, the energetic vibration of joy, divine joy, divine inspiration, divine optimism, divine grace, divine love. These are not human emotions. These are frequencies of light. And as beings begin to recognize how they may embody these frequencies, there can be no war any longer. Humans will learn from war no more. It is simply about energetic shifting. So choose to become a new vibrational bandwidth, not so much new it is within you already, but essentially new to your human experience. For as you do, choose New you become a new frequency that no longer sustains the vibration of war that no longer sustains Let us give you a simple answer, because in the game of right and wrong, in the game of duality, right and wrong, good and. Bad, yes and no, up and down. No one ever wins. No one will ever win. Will just be a constant game of right and wrong, good and bad, War and Peace. There is no winning in this game. So what there is is a transmutation to new frequencies, as we have stated, divine joy, divine peace, divine harmony, Divine Love, divine grace, divine enthusiasm, divine optimism, divine hope, divine inspiration. These frequencies, as we have stated, are energetic frequencies that humans will learn to begin to embody. And as they are embodied, these frequencies will expand and there will be no more war, for the two are not harmonious together. With regard to the energy of karma, let us state this. Karma is simply the residue of energies, unresolved patterns that were created, patterns programs, ways of operating, ways of being. And so it is not about good or bad or right or wrong, it is simply the residue of energies that are left from previous choices. And it could be said, incarnational experiences. So when you say, is there some karmic lesson associated with the pattern of war, it is simply to desire to choose to behave differently, to choose to evolve differently, to choose differently, which has been stated. So we are simply saying the karmic lessons associated with war have just been stated. There is nothing else to explore on this topic. Is there simply that humans must choose to realign with a source for up until now, in your linear time, there have been false authorities. That is part of the old paradigm. These false authorities, through their own personal gain created experiences associated with war in the game of duality. And these experiences associated with war allowed for humans and others to be entrapped in this game of duality, right and wrong, good and bad, etc. And this hierarchical, oligarchical, patriarchal type of experience is what you are realizing is collapsing. So the karmic residue is simply to say there are no false authorities any longer who have power or dominion over us. This is the karmic lesson, so to speak. It is choosing the true authority, which is the true, real and authentic connection with the source, the divine that is within as this choice is made, no false authority will be able to continue to control, dominate or manipulate. That is the karmic lesson, so to speak,

Alex Ferrari 58:03
All the world's religions, major religions, seem to be cracking a little bit in their followers and their institutions, because, again, very similar to what you've said, they are not in service of the greater good. Many times they're in service of their own agendas, their own dogmas. Where is where do you see the world's religions evolving to in the next 10 years, 50 years, 100 years? Because I, very much like you said before, I don't believe that they will. They can't continue. They're unsustainable in the in the way that they are. We can't move forward in this way. So I'd love to hear where you think they'll go,

Lori Spagna 58:46
Yes, and in a sense, you have said enough. The world's religions were based out of a paradigm that was based in control, domination, manipulation, secrecy and coercion, with false authorities keeping other humans separate from their source. And if you have not come already into this recognition, of course, you have there is a baby and a bath water, so to speak, in every experience. So not to say that there are not some good things in organized religion. It's just that the very paradigm, the energetic architecture, the structure of which organized religion was born out of birth from is based in separation through a hierarchical, hierarchical patriarchal system designed to control and dominate and manipulate through secret, secrecy and coercion and manipulation and you The usage of the energetic frequencies of fear. Thus the concept of Heaven and Hell, for example. And we could go on so this structure will no longer continue. It is continuing for as long as human consciousness will tolerate it, and as humans evolve into unification with their source. Years, they will come into greater and greater recognition that the old paradigm associated with organized religion has too many limitations to truly serve their evolution. And as they break through in union with their source, they will continue, over some time, to continue to extract that which could be referred to as baby. There are still some good things in it, but they will evolve over time for the direct connection with source will not be denied. No one and nothing can usurp the direct connection to any living beings, connection, direct union with their own source, the aspect of the source that they are. So this organized religion will, over time, begin to completely be, you could say, collapse, eradicated its needs. It will no longer serve the needs of the people as the people evolve, as you know, and as others know, this is a process. You see as the process happens as so called evolution, happens at an accelerated rate, which is to say that more and more humans and other beings elevate in frequency, vibration and consciousness, the collapse happens at an accelerated pace, right? This is the acceleration so as humans evolve in an accelerated way, the collapse of the old systems and structures also happens in an accelerated way. This is when the agenda of the why, the agenda of the balance to serve the balance is so important because it allows for the collapse to happen with the most amount, the maximum amount of awakening, with the least amount of harm and detriment. So to direct to directly answer, religion will become a thing of the past, no longer needed, no longer required, although you do see how religion is attempting, in their way to evolve as well.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:12
And finally, do you have any parting words for the audience that are watching this now and in the future?

Lori Spagna 1:02:18
First, we would like for you to understand you are not the egoic structure you have identified with. There is a belief system born out of the old paradigm that you have an ego. And we understand that this has been a useful lesson for it translates to edging God out, does it not? But know this, you do not have an ego, you have a heart, you have a body, you have a brain. You do not have an ego. There is no ego to be found. All there is, is energy, an energetic structure. And when you recognize the energetic structure within you is what you are addressing and resolving through the transformation of your own energetic fields, meaning the emotions, the mental plane, etc, you will recognize that the higher truth of who you are is consciousness, and that the consciousness of who you are vibrates to a frequency that is so far beyond the definition of human emotion, including human love. Many times, humans and other channelers and we recognize and honor all beings, many times they will share that you are love, but still, the identification of love is a human emotion. No, you are far more than that. You are the energetic consciousness that vibrates to a frequency far beyond any human egoic structure, far beyond any human emotion, even that which is identified as human love. You are the frequency that energetically vibrates so far beyond the limitation of what humans have identified in the past, but it does feel energetically in a sense, like the frequency of divine joy, divine bliss, divine euphoria, etc. And these energetic frequencies that are so all encompassing in terms of consciousness, that all gifts, all knowing, will come through you, and you'll birth this into your reality. You will anchor in all of this new consciousness that is not something that can be learned in any book that is printed that is so far beyond the physical, earthly world you have existed in up until now that will be brilliant and magnificent, and it does not include fear. It is the vibration of the truth of who you all are birthing from within you, and it is extraordinary. So. Begin to know this higher truth of who you are, and seek out opportunities and experiences that will allow you to cultivate it from within. For as it is, birth within you will find the brilliance that you are that has always been available to you and that will shift your trajectories so much to your liking, and that you will be able to assist your fellow humans and animals, even beyond your current recognition of what is possible and available.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:36
Oh, that's beautiful. The Collective. The Collective is very interesting. I like, I like their vibe. They're very articulate, and they have a good in it.

Lori Spagna 1:05:48
Thank you. I tell you I feel very joyful right now, because that's what happens. I just go into this kind of like I could, and I didn't get to share with you at the onset, though, when I had the near death experience. It's so the energy is so amazing. So you just go into these like rapturous, hysterical laughter, right? It's just so very beautiful. And that's really what we're all, I think, what we are all evolving into. So thank you.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:17
Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Lori Spagna 1:06:26
Oh, wow. I love this question so much. I to me living a fulfilled life. It's kind of semi channeled, but it is really coming into alignment with your source and allowing that source to to to be the life that operates in and through you in all of your activities, so that you're really aligned with this source, expressing it in in your physical, earthly world. Like to me, that's what it is when I'm living in accordance with my highest fulfillment. I'm getting to do what I'm meant to do and be who I meant to be like, aligned with that which is really unique and right for me.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:06
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Lori, what advice would you give her?

Lori Spagna 1:07:10
Oh, my God, I would tell her, I love you so much. Don't worry. Everything's just fine. You have so much reason to be here. You matter your life. I would say this to everybody, you matter your life. Matters you your your reason for being here is so you're valuable, you're important, you're special, I would say to everybody, because I think that's part of what we're all yearning for, is like our inherent value and worth, deservability, lovability, and that's what when we come into alignment. That's really what we reveal to ourselves. So I would say to her, and I would say to her, just, just love yourself no matter what, and don't, don't, don't worry about the bumps along the way, because those are part of the growth, all those bumps. Like, there's a lot of bumps, there's a lot of turbulence. So I'd be like, you know, the bumpy ride, it's going to be okay. Like, try to play with it. Try to explore it with curiosity.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:14
Now, what advice would little Lori give you today?

Lori Spagna 1:08:18
Oh my gosh, that's a really good one. What would she say? She would just be like, thank you. I love you.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:27
How do you define God or source or the divine?

Lori Spagna 1:08:31
The infinite, the All That Is that will be who, who, and whatever we all need it to be for our growth, it will conform and adapt for our needs so that we can eventually come into the recognition that it is Consciousness, being consciousness. What is love? Energy, frequency, vibration, consciousness,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:03
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Lori Spagna 1:09:06
Being and experiencing, and I would even say, contributing, yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:15
Beautifully said. And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Lori Spagna 1:09:21
Oh, well, my website is lorispagna.com that's my name, and I have a YouTube channel as well where I share this on a a podcast there the awakened, elevated human and of course, they can, you know what we didn't, we didn't talk as much about but if they want to learn more about animal communication and telepathy, they can get some amazing free gifts at lorispagna.com/freegifts/animals. And if they want to learn more about all the gifts that are within them, they're all in your DNA, right? It's all stored in you. So you can get some DNA activations and learn about that at lorispagna.com/freegifts/dna. There's a lot more free gifts there as well. Those are some good starters.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:10
Do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Lori Spagna 1:10:12
Mostly just that, I just want to say thank you for having me and for giving me the opportunity to share and contribute and just honor and recognize your role, Alex, because I just your podcast is off the charts fabulous, and you just bring so many amazing people, and then just to everybody, just shine your light, just be your brilliant magnificence, and just just keep choosing to to align with the greatness of who you are, because that's what we're all here for, that's really being the best version of you is. And being authentic to who you are is how you help humanity. That is how you shift and support and assist. Because the brighter you shine, not from like arrogance or superiority, but just from just being, love, brilliance, consciousness, the best version of you that you can be reaching for. The best aspect of your consciousness is how you help those around you as well, and that's how you fall in love with yourself, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:11:10
Such a pleasure talking to you today, talking to the collective. It has been a true honor having you on the show. And thank you so much for everything you're doing to help awaken this planet. So I appreciate you, my dear, thank you.

Lori Spagna 1:11:22
Oh, thank you so much. I'm so grateful. Thanks for having me.