The Telepathy Tapes: Autistic Children with ESP with Ky Dickens

Ky Dickens 0:00
We are consciousness before and after. How would you talk without a body? Of course, it's through telepathy.

Alex Ferrari 0:05
These individuals have the ability to do ESP essentially, being able to read people's minds.

Ky Dickens 0:13
Telepathy tapes, many of their spiritual revelations are brought for and this is why everyone involved wants more research done, because it is a confounding question, what is happening? I feel like there's a link between spirituality, simulation, theory, dimensions, and those are things that come have come up all the time in this work. Animals have relied on telepathy to communicate. And I think the baseline of it, again, is like a deep connection in love. Now I believe fully that consciousness survives the body that we, that we there is somewhere more real than here. I had a really hard time believing it. I had to see it for myself.

Alex Ferrari 0:55
I like to welcome to the show Ky Dickens, how you doing Ky?

Ky Dickens 1:06
Good how are you Alex?

Alex Ferrari 1:07
I'm doing great. Thank you so so much for for coming on the show. I am, I'm a fan of your work and how you got here is a unique story, because I we can, we get bombarded with requests, people coming on the show and and a lot of times they're like, oh, you should check this person. And our audience is so beautiful that they recommend people that they think would be good guests or good topics. And the telepathy tapes kept coming in, like, not by like, one person bombarding us to try to fake that there's interest, because that's been done before, but actual, like real, real recommendations. So when we investigated the Telepathy Tapes, so I was like, Holy crap, this is amazing. So first of all, congratulations for getting up there and doing this. This is pretty remarkable stuff.

Ky Dickens 1:59
Thank you very much. Yeah, it's been the journey of my lifetime, that's for sure.

Alex Ferrari 2:04
So tell me. So tell me exactly what the telepathy tapes are. And how did you delve into this, these kind of, you know, woo, woo, you know, woo, woo concepts, because your work is very social, social causes really grounded. This is a little bit more into the Woo, as I like to call it.

Ky Dickens 2:25
Yeah, this is definitely not my standard, you know, story I have always worked in social issue films, usually trying to, like, expand access to affordable healthcare, or, you know, paid family medical leave policies, or helping shed light on PTSD, and, you know, survivors guilt, and, you know, just things like that. So I've never, ever worked on anything like this before, and and I became interested in it after hearing an interview with a Johns Hopkins, you know, educated Harvard, you know, former Harvard staff neuroscientist named Dr. Hennessy Powell, who had been studying savant syndrome, and in the course of doing so, she said that many of these children that she was studying did not have Savant syndrome. Instead, it seemed they could read their parents' minds, and she was hearing that reported from parents all over the world, and so she had done some initial studies on this, separating the person that the child is in their telepathic with, and would, you know, put them through a divider? And sure enough, they could tell you what their parent was looking at, whether it was a random number, a random word, a fake word. And so I saw the initial tests, and I had a few conversations with her, and I thought, if this is real, if this is true, the consequences for society are massive, I mean, or just humanity, right? If this is real and and so I had a really hard time believing it. I had to see it for myself. And so when I, you know, started diving in, I decided I wanted to orchestrate my own test and bring in one of the non speaking autistic individuals that had cold written, you know, Diane's email, which late love parents were doing. And I invite this family and Dr Powell to where I live, you know, in the valley near Los Angeles, and who rented a space, set up my own tests, put cameras all over the room, bought my own cues, you know, my own iPad, and downloaded the random number generator. And I was blown away. And then I started wanted, I wanted to see more kids so or non speakers. And so continued for about a year and a half, just meeting families, receiving their stories, capturing tests when I could, in hopes to make a sizzle reel for a film and and when we pitched the film or for a docu series, and when we pitched the Docu series, I think people didn't know what to do with it wasn't like, creepy paranormal, it wasn't family television, it wasn't true crime. And so even though people were fascinated, they were like, we just don't know if this fits our mandate and what category it's in. Oh, yeah. And. I thought, yeah. And I thought, but this is so important, like, this is so important, and, and it's true, and it's the best kept secret out there, parents and teachers and everyone knows about this, and people have been documenting it for years and writing books and, like, just, you don't think anyone will care, you know? And um, and it was a no. And so I was, I mean, I went through a period of a few weeks of feeling really devastated, like I thought this was so important, and I was like, do I not get it? Like, do I not did I read this wrong? And then thinking, I let down the parents and Dr Powell and the story and not knowing what to do. And then someone's like, I don't understand why you need, like a big streamer to get the story out. Can't you just do a podcast? And then it was like, oh, okay, so that was sort of my promise made, kept, you know, to the families. Was like, I'll get your story out. I'll do my due diligence to tell it as best as I can. And thinking, I know my parents would listen, I knew they would listen, but I had no idea that the telepathy tapes, which was sort of my vehicle, just to, like, hopefully get funding and notice to eventually make the film would become, become the sensation, you know, I didn't, I didn't imagine that in a million years

Alex Ferrari 6:08
For everybody listening. Basically, these are autistic children who are non speakers. Is that specific, or are there? Are there ones that are speakers that have these abilities as well?

Ky Dickens 6:16
Well, you know, I think this is a good question and a really important point to make. You know, I really think this is more about a non speaking ability or praxia, where your mind and body are disconnected, less to do with autism. However, since releasing the podcast, I've received numerous emails from both highly functioning autistic individuals as well as even neurotypical people, who are saying that they also have these gifts, or that they had, especially people higher functioning with autism, who said they have these gifts, but, you know, kind of got gas lit out of them, but a society that says it's impossible, but yes, in the project, it's mostly focused on non speaking individuals who do have autism and who have apraxia.

Alex Ferrari 6:58
Basically, what the premise is, if I, I'm just going to recount here, is that these individuals have the ability to do, ESP, essentially, being able to read people's minds or or under like, I mean, when you, when I saw your your sizzle reel, it was kind of like, it reminded me of the opening scene of Ghostbusters with Bill Murray sitting there With the cards, and they're like a couple wavy lines, a circle, a square, you know, as because it was, you know, it's at that time in that movie. It's being kind of ridicule, like this doctor so crazy that he's trying to do ESP, and then, of course, he goes and bus ghosts. But that's what it would look like. So is that what it is, essentially?

Ky Dickens 7:42
Yeah, I mean, that's, that is what we found, or, you know, from the precursory tests and, and it's really remarkable. And I think what some of the parents will say is, and the parents and teachers, I mean, this is teachers in the project, in the telepathy tape, there's also teachers, therapists, speech pathologists, principals, ministers, Rabbi, guys, siblings, right? Like so many people are witnessing this and seeing this, and I think what most of them will say is, yes, they seem to be able to hear thoughts clearly, but also it seems like sometimes can almost see through their eyes and hear through their ears. And that's what's been really, I think, both confounding for the parents and as well as for me, and that's why we want more research done in this. Because no one really knows exactly what's going on. You know if, and sometimes it's if you put a nine digit number up in front of the parent, the child can recite it accurately, you know, from behind a partition. Or if you put a long word up. If you put a fake word up, a word in different language, they will know what it is. Many of the vetting tests that I was receiving before I even like chose who to follow were parents showing that they could open, take a book off of their shelf, opened up to any page in the book, point to a word, and their child across the room could start typing what that word was, or they could just point to the number on the page. And so how is that possible? It's just remarkable. But often the parent will say, I have to be looking at what they're what they're seeing. So, so the questions I get from parents are, are they looking through my eyes? Are they just knowing what's in my mind? Are our consciousness merged and we're seeing and understanding the same inputs, and this is why everyone involved wants more research done, because it is a confounding question. What is happening?

Alex Ferrari 9:28
So is this strictly parent, child, or is there other relatives, or are there other people that can do it with you or me, depending on how it works. How does it work exactly?

Ky Dickens 9:39
Yeah. I mean, from what I have found, you know, the first of cases that I was hearing about were parent child. But then, of course, there were some adoptive parents. It's not always the mother, sometimes it's the Father. And then as I started getting more and more into it, that's when I was really marveled, marveling to find out that there was so many teachers, teachers and speech pathologists. And you know, para, para professionals in the schools that were saying, absolutely, this is true in my classroom. In fact, I have students who prefer me to ask the questions and our lessons in my mind instead of out loud. It's easier for them. So they will ask a question in their mind and their student will start answering it. And you know, one of the videos, you know, I get these wonderful emails from parents, and one that I delighted and was a young boy, six, just starting school, and his mom said, This is so interesting, because the teacher started telling me that my child would point to the correct answer. You know, it'd be like flash cards or something like, which is the bike, trying to figure out what this boy knew, and he'd start pointing to the right answer before the teacher even asked the question out loud, and that's when the mom got a hold of me, and she said, What is going on here? So, you know, I think teachers are experiencing it often, more often, more often than the parents, and sometimes before the parents are experiencing it.

Alex Ferrari 10:56
Interesting. What do you what do you think that cause is? I mean, if it's, I mean, I understand it being the parent, especially a blood parent, on top of that, but that the teachers are majority, at least in your research has shown that the teachers are the ones that are getting is it because they're spending more time with them at school? Is that what it is?

Ky Dickens 11:15
Well, I think there's a few things going on. I think one is that anyone who's a parent knows that you are so much more, like, invested in your child, for better, for worse, in a way that can be overwhelming to that child, right? If you're watching a basketball game, you're not like, really intensely wondering what like Jimmy is doing. You're watching your kid, right? And like, and did their layup look good, and are they keeping up? And are their head in the game? And so I think with parents, we we like put pressure on our children, and we have expectations, and that's nothing to do with us. You know, it's just part and parcel being a parent. But I think with teachers, that often isn't there the same degree, and they're able to just really empty out their mind, empty out their body, empty out their expectations, and be present. And I think that that is one of the things required in spelling to communicate, which is the way that many of these non speakers talk. That's an important note to make here. You know, I think they it's not that they're not smart and not competent. Often their mind just can't control their tell their body what to do. And speech is a gross motor. Speech is a fine motor skill, which is often very hard to do if you don't have control over, you know, your body and planning, motor planning, but pointing to letters is a gross motor skill, and much easier to do. So, so it's not that so, so when you're learning to spell, to communicate, you have to clear your mind. You have to be this empty vessel. And I think parents are you're thinking about dinner. You think about this. Are we doing it? Why are they getting it? What does this mean? Was it, you know, the what's I mean, all that stuff is attached, not for the teachers. And the other thing that I think everyone I've talked to will say that a baseline of these gifts, of them, you know, really revealing themselves in many ways, is, is love and openness and acceptance and also belief. And you know, the amount of emails I've been receiving from parents saying, now that I believe this, and I listen to the fluffy tapes, my child is finally showing me that they too could do this, and I'm receiving those type of messages from parent teachers as well. So that's, I think, I think love is a baseline kindness, and emptying out your expectations is huge.

Alex Ferrari 13:27
So you mentioned a couple of spiritual figures in the people that you've talked to about this. You know, we focus a lot on the spirituality, consciousness, you know, evolving and, you know, all that kind of stuff that we talk about on the show as you were talking and explaining the process of what they're doing, again, because of my unique perspective of speaking to 500 plus people at this point about spirituality, what came to my mind was the near death experiencers and their stories of explaining what they see when they die and come back, one of the things that is spoken about, not only by near death experiencers, but also by gurus and swamis and mystics from from the east. Specifically, they're talking about how how thought is progress, how thought is processed on the other side, and it's instant, like I want to go to Paris, and you're Paris, and you're in Paris, it kind of thing. But there has been a lot of reports saying that people, or souls, I guess, on the other side, when they're dead, can see through other people's eyes and can kind of explode experience things through other people's eye. Happens in the life review, where you are actually, literally in somebody else's body, experiencing all the feelings of that person. It seems like they're tapping into something like that. What is your take on the spirituality, or the spiritual basis for some of this stuff? Because, as you were just mentioning, love is a very. Big indicator of these abilities, which obviously is the highest vibration or frequency that we have on this in this existence.

Ky Dickens 15:07
Yeah, so when I first started this, I thought I was looking at like, what the scientific baseline, what might be for telepathy, and it kind of makes sense, right? If you have, we know that if other senses are depressed, other ones heighten and amplify. And you know, we know that a lot of these skills are kind of used in the animal kingdom, you know, even if it's a sixth sense, meaning, like, I think of ESP as a seventh sense, right? Because there's other six senses we don't have, like echolocation, right? Or different, different ways of sensing your environment. So, so I was thinking, well, this, this probably makes, there's a biological explanation for this, you know. And, and what I was being, you know, kind of schooled on for quite quickly, by non speaking individuals and and often their parents as well, was that no to these individuals, they all say it's a spiritual gift, that this is a spiritual gift, that this is the baseline of communication. This is the most natural form of communication. And it it makes sense, right? If you were, if you believe that our bodies are ephemeral and we are consciousness before and after, how would you talk without a body? Of course, it's through telepathy. I mean, it would be the only soul communication there is. That's what prayer is. Or when we talk to one of our loved ones, I saw a recent study that showed how many people who don't even necessarily believe in the afterlife, but they do talk to their their loved ones who passed, which is a complete contradiction, right? But, but that would be a form of telepathy, so, you know. And then once that was kind of established then, you know. And there's no reason not to believe the non speaking individuals, you know, and I say that all the time, like they don't have the same ego and separation that we do, right? Because at least this point, at least up to now, in society, they don't have a means of making a living, or of like building a brand, or, you know, buying a house, or having some wonderful career and some marriage and all you know, you know, this identity that we all put so much stock in, we put everything in, you know, I mean, their greatest concerns are love and unity and and I think truthfulness and it takes so hard to get a single sentence out when you're when, when, when you know all that motor planning is required to spell that they're not going to just spell out a mass conspiracy of deceit. So when they're talking first about telepathy and then saying it's a spiritual gift, and then so many of them are also talking about leaving their bodies or or, I don't know if it's leaving their bodies, but going somewhere at night, often they talk about going to school or going to heaven or talking to a source or a creator. So many of them have said they see angels. So I was nervous, so you can put that in there. This was so out of like left field for me as a journalist and documentarian, and it felt really tricky for me to stomach. But that's I think part of it right is like these are human beings who have not had a voice, and then what on earth would that be like to censor them? Because it felt uncomfortable for me. I can't do that like they their, their words, their their experience had to be shared exactly as it is, and so toward the end of the telepathy tapes, many of their spiritual revelations are brought forth.

Alex Ferrari 18:26
It's interesting, as you say, that, because that is something very common in deep mysticism and spirituality, especially coming from the east, where, at night, when you sleep, that you leave either an out of body experience of something like that. We argue we can be we can argue that anytime you're asleep and you're dreaming, you're literally out of body dreaming. You're out. You're not in the body, specifically, because you're not conscious, essentially. But stories I've heard are of people sleeping or meditating, but specifically sleeping. Can go off, go to a school, speak to ancestors, go to speak to source angels. I mean, this is kind of wonky stuff. I get it. I completely understand. When I first started hearing these things, I was just like, all right, I'm pretty open minded, but, you know, like but then as you start hearing it again and again from multiple different sources that have nothing to do with each other, then it starts to really reaffirm that. I assume that's what's happened to you as well, because this is not just like kids in Ohio or kids in California, it's around the world, right?

Ky Dickens 19:37
Yeah. And when I first started meeting these families, they didn't know each other. I mean, often the emails that Dr Powell was getting, and then you know that I started getting, when I started getting involved in this, was that so often people reach out saying, I don't know if there's anyone else out there like this, this is what's happening to me, or they think it's a singular miracle. Under their roof or in their classroom and and now I don't think that'll happen anymore, because this is so out there. But you have to remember, before the telepathy tapes came out, this was really deeply secretive, even to the point where, if parents, which happen quite often, would bring it up in like, a spelling conference, where, where groups can get together to teach their, you know, their non speaking children to learn to spell or whatever. It often within those communities, people say, I think telepathy is happening. Can we talk about that? Or there seems to be something, and it would be kind of shushed and quieted like, let's not talk about their earliest we're not going to talk about it. So it really was siloed, siloed information. But it's around the world, all around the world. Episode Eight, we go, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, for what I know, like in the telepathy tapes, there's someone from England, there's someone from Mexico, there's someone from Israel, I know, just from meeting families. There's also people in India and Pakistan, in Denmark. So it's clearly around the world again. I think the big marker here is non speakers with apraxia, and yeah, till up, he seems to be rampant in that group.

Alex Ferrari 21:14
So let's talk about Dr Powell. You know she is, you know she was, when she started this, a very well respected doctor, but going down this road, you know, when I heard it, I'm like, Oh, I can only imagine what happened by the establishment when she started digging into this and asking these questions. Can you talk a little bit about what she went through and what she's still going through by bringing this out into the public?

Ky Dickens 21:42
Yeah, and I think this has been the thing that has plagued researchers and scientists for decades, right? Is this, like, there's no longer a freedom of inquiry, and that should not be the case, you know. And I've heard it referred to as scientism, this idea that, like, almost, science becomes religion, that science can explain absolutely everything if you can't explain by science. It's not true, and it's almost become this dogmatic, closed minded viewpoint where to be skeptical, you have to be open minded, right? And and that's just not the case. So when a researcher who's studying something like ESP and you know, Dr Powell wrote a book on it, and not long after that book was released, you know, the she got fined by the medical board at Oregon, and then by the board in California. It was expensive. She had to go through psychological testing. And the thing is, no one ever read the book. And then when they finally did read the book, she got her license back pretty quickly. And so there's just this idea that there is fear and intimidation, intimidation to try to continue to uphold our materialist paradigm. And for folks who are wondering what that means, you know, the materials paradigm really is, you know, kind of been the reigning paradigm in science and our western world for the past, you know, few 100 years, where we believe that the only things that are real can be, you know, kind of measured and and, and, you know, felt and touched. And so when we think of materialism, kind of base of it, right? Is like, you know, with physics and biology and psychology and all these, you know, studies of the world with consciousness is at the tippy tip of the pyramid, you know. And we've never been able to explain where it comes from, why it's there, what the what its function is. And the case we make in, at least in episode six of the telepathy tapes, and I think by the end, the case is made, I hope, pretty well, is that consciousness shouldn't be considered the tippy top, this unexplained part of the pyramid of our reality. It should be the very base of it. The foundation of our reality is consciousness, not the other way around, which means, then we don't have to throw out our textbooks, right? The physics and biology and psychology and a lot of that stuff is still remains. That's all good, that's true, but it's just that consciousness is that the mistake that happened at that very end, it was at the beginning. And you know, if you look around our world, I think there's a lot of evidence of that, like, everything in your office was a thought. First, everything in my house, right, that I'm sitting in was a thought. First, everything I use was a thought. First, our entire world started as a thought before it became a thing. So, so the idea of consciousness is fundamental explains a lot, but when consciousness is fundamental, it also explains the things that couldn't be explained in our materialist paradigm, such as ESP and remote viewing, and, you know, clairvoyance, near death experiences this idea that there's somewhere more real than here, and not more real place is kind of this, like through line of consciousness.

Alex Ferrari 24:51
It's pretty fascinating. I mean, I've come through so many doctors and PhDs and professionals who've bucked the system, and they have definitely paid for. For it, but they're the but without, without, let's say the first doctor who said, you know, meditation is there's something here. Guys, we should probably study this. That guy was ran out of town, but now it is the most, I think it was one of the most studied things ever, and now there's so much data that meditation obviously has health benefits and this and that, and blah, blah, blah. Hopefully we'll get to that place with this. I think this is, this is interesting because, I mean, telepathy is, is always been kind of in the realm of science fiction for the most part. You know, it's been in this in the realm of science fiction, but we're now, I mean, with what you're the work that you're doing really kind of like guys, it's right there, like, yeah, it's like, it's a wide shot. This is not AI, I'm not. There's no cheating here. There's no no one you know whispering in their ear. I mean, you're a journalist and a well respected one, and have done has had a hell of a career you take, it's taken a lot of, as they say, cojones, for you to do what you're doing and putting your name and reputation out there. So I do applaud you for that very much.

Ky Dickens 26:09
Yeah, and I think you're right about the science. I think the I think there's gonna be so much research coming out on this soon, and I can't wait. I mean, I don't think Dr Powell can wait. The families can't wait. It's phenomenal. It's just absolutely beautiful. And I loved it. Meeting Manisha, who's an episode too. She's a mom of a non speaking boy named Akil, and to one point she says, Akil is a data everyone's looking for data like Akil is the data come, come research. Akil. Here he is, you know, and, and that's exactly right, the data points are here. And for me, what was fascinating is it wasn't grasping at straws. It wasn't, you know, the day we spent two days with a keel, for instance, and he, he can spell on on an iPad or a speaking device across the room from his mother. He doesn't need to be near her. He doesn't need to be touched or, I mean, all these things that have plague, plague selling to communicate, which I think, for the most part, aren't true anymore with this independent spelling happening. But anyway, we did a lot of tests with him, and time after time after time, it's like everything. It was a random number generator and an image generator and a picture generator, a forward number we would have, I would write a word, and then a crew member would cross it out and write a new word, and then a keel across a room would start writing the word I wrote, and then the second got crossed out and a new word was written. He'd start spelling that word. You know, I had crew write words on note cards, and then random crew pick the cards and show it to Manisha, his mother, and all sudden, Akil is off the races writing that word. So to me, it was, like, 100% accurate. It was just time after time after time after time. So it wasn't like, Oh, this is tricky. Maybe we'll get, we'll do 10, and he'll get five, right? It was nothing like that. It was, there were all right. And that is, like, I think I was shaking by the end of it. And in episode two, my, my DP, which means cinematographer, Director of Photography, um, you know, I love him dearly, and he was great person to have on this, because he's, he's very skeptical, and, like, you know, at least at that point, I think he would say he was atheist or agnostic, and, you know, just didn't believe in anything. I don't think he believed in ghosts, you know, and watching a keel. Like, by the end of that first day, I went down to the battery room, where he was charging batteries and getting a lens or whatever, and he had his head in his hands and was pretty shaken up. And he's like, What does this mean? Do we have to So, do I believe in God? Does this mean we have soul? You know, because quite instantly it goes there when you're like, wait, if this is real, what else have I dismissed that could be real?

Alex Ferrari 28:32
That's a that's a really, really interesting point. Because I think that why you get so much pushback on these kind of ideas, is that, well, if this is true, then it doesn't just knock this brick out of the of the building. It starts to knock, starts to shake the foundation of what we believe. So that your your DP is a great example of that. He's like, Well, if this is real, then do I have a soul? Is there really a God? Like, is there? Like, is this a hologram? Are we walking around in the matrix? Like, there's so many other questions that start to come up. Yeah, based on that, do you believe that that's why people are so afraid of delving into things that might challenge the status quo, which, by the way, has been the only way we've been able to move forward as a species is by challenging what came before us and building upon that. But do you believe that that's why there's so much reservation with it?

Ky Dickens 29:32
Yeah, and that's always been the case, right? I mean, even like when we decide the earth wasn't flat anymore, or that you know, the earth wasn't the center,

Alex Ferrari 29:39
Well, most of us, most, most of us have. Most of us believe that they are just not flat.

Ky Dickens 29:44
Yeah, but you know, even that, like women running a marathon, their ovaries could fall out. I mean, like we've had so many weird thoughts, like even 50 years ago, that are what we don't I don't want no why people didn't want women playing sports or running marathons or where. Wearing jeans, you know, but that wasn't that long ago that we were really scared of stuff like that. So I think we are always scared of things that are new. But what is fascinating to me is none of this is new. I mean this idea of being connected and and connected through your mind or heart or whatever it is, or whether it's like we're entangled in some way, right? Has always been there, and we've forgotten that, I think, in our western materialist societies. But I think if you were to go speak with, you know, Vikings 1000 years ago, or Native Americans, or, you know, Aborigines, telepathy would be part and parcel of survival, of knowing where the hunt is, of knowing when someone's if someone's coming home, and and thing is, like, we all have brushes with that, right? Like, I'm sure any listener out there could say maybe something simple, like I was thinking of someone I hadn't thought about in five years, and then they texted me. You know, that happens to all of us, I'd say. And then there's people who will say it was so weird, like, right before my grandma died, like she appeared to me in a dream and said goodbye, or, or I had this horrible feeling, and I got then I, like, 10 minutes later, I got a phone call that this person was in an accident. I mean, that is throughout all of us, you know. And then we just chalk it up as weird and go on about our day. But I think that if we made a big effort to really kind of bring those connections back, we could be much more deeply connected.

Alex Ferrari 31:35
Yeah, with my wife as well, like we I'll be thinking something, and she'll say it out loud. I'm like, get and I it's a joke. I'm like, Get out of my head and we do it vice versa, because we have that kind of thing that we do. I don't have it with my kids, but with her. I mean, we just spend so much time together that it's just that, that that ability to be able to do it and it's weird, and we get, we both understand it's weird. I'm not saying we do it all the time, but there's moments of it, that's really interesting. I wanted to ask you, what are the ages? What's the oldest person that you've been able to kind of verify in your in your research, or that Dr Powell was able to verify in their research? Because kids are very different than adults when it comes to being able to have these abilities, because of their openness because of their cleaning, clearing of the mind and so on.

Ky Dickens 32:22
Yeah. I mean, I have 50-60, I mean, a lot of the individual, yeah, like even in the final episode, you know, I was trying to get non speakers to share their thoughts like they I wanted them to close it out and have the floor with you know, what did we get wrong? What was right? What do they want people to know? Now, this information is out there, and there was a woman working, a nurse that was helping me gather information from one of the non speaking individuals in this, like, shared living, you know, kind of like nursing home in England. And that, that woman was in her 50s. Many of the individuals in the telepathy tapes are in their 20s now, you know, certainly in their teens, and certainly, certainly, certainly the younger kids, you know, just the younger, the younger individuals, they're not as like established in spelling yet. So it's especially for the telepathy tapes, especially as we go into the film and like Diane's, like university got tests, we need to have individuals who are fully independently spelling and takes time to build those new mental pathways that help your body do that. So many of the people that I was working with were in their late teens, 20s, 30s.

Alex Ferrari 33:30
What is? What are like? A couple of the most impressive or shocking things that you've seen so far in your travels, doing the telepathy tapes and prepping for your doc and all of that stuff. Like, what was some that you just, like, you started to shake, you know, or, like, completely were just like, what is happening?

Ky Dickens 33:53
This was one of the things that was really weird. Like, once you saw the telepathy, it became run of the mill really quickly. Like, I think the first five times it was like, Oh my gosh. And then, like, it would happen, happen, happen. Happen, happen. And then it's like, Okay, let's try random picture generator, so the random numbers, and then it would happen, and then random image generator. So we kind of marveled at how quickly that became commonplace, and it would happen every time, like, every time you were with a new individual, a new dance speaker that you were testing, it was like, Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. This is great, you know? And then, like, oh, okay, what next? Because it was so consistent that it wasn't remarkable, even though it's so remarkable. So I think some of the other things that became like gut punchingly Wild were things often happening that weren't a telepathy test. So for instance, when we were in Atlanta, we had a production assistant that witnessed one of our non speakers from that day, Houston talking about people's angels and how he can see angels. And this production assistant, I think, wanted to test this out, you know, and he's like, do I have an angel? And Houston said, Yeah. And the production assistant said, Well, what's her name? And, and he told me later this production assistant that he knew his sister, you know, had, like, lost a child, I think, you know, through really late in pregnancy. And, you know, there was his niece died, you know, like, one or two. So he's thinking, Okay, it's one of these people. And then, you know, he thought, Okay, this will be the big test, right? Is this one of these? Because, because Houston said, you have an angel and it's a baby and it's a little girl, so sorry if I left that part out. So Houston said, you do have an angel. She's a little girl and and very, very, very young, like, almost a baby. And so that's when this production assistant was thinking, okay, who's in my life? That's a baby. And did it? Okay? I'm gonna add. Okay? I'm gonna ask for the name, because there are some young little girls who have died. And so he said, Well, what's the name? And Houston said, I can't tell you, because you refuse to name her. And Sam, like, got really upset, and that was the production assistant. And I asked him, you know what's going on, man, what happened? And he said, you know, my wife and I had a really early, like, she had, like, a medical emergency type abortion in our first trimester years ago, and I and I, she wants to name this baby, and she says, you know, it was a person. And he's like, it was too hard for me to even think that way. So I was just like, No, it was just cells. We didn't have a child yet. Nope, nope, nope. Like, we're not going to name her. We're not going to do burial. Like, let's just move on. Like, I think that was Sam's way of kind of coping. It's not real. This isn't and his and his wife was like, no, like, we have to name her, and Sam refused to name her. So when Houston said to him, yeah, there's a baby girl, and you refused to name her. I mean, anyone that was in that room, and there was, like a lot of us, it's pretty emotional, it's pretty unexplainable, and it certainly meant something to him, deeply meant something to him. And then, of course, the question is, wait, did Houston telepathically, like, grab that out of his consciousness, or was there really an angel there? But again, I think, like, one of the things I found is, this is a population that's not deceiving. They're not, there's, there's nothing to be gained by, you know,

Alex Ferrari 37:10
Yeah, they're not selling, they're not selling books, or, you know, doing speaking tours. So much.

Ky Dickens 37:17
Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 37:19
So when you, just presented there. Because what we've been discussing the telepathy aspect of it, people looking kind of like, are you in my mind? Are you looking through my eyes? That's one thing. But what? What this what the Houston was doing sounded much more as a psychic phenomenon, where either clairvoyant, clairsentient, they could see something there, or, you know, just being able to connect psychically with, like, the other side, if you will. Is that something you found a lot of as well in this, in this population?

Ky Dickens 37:55
Yeah. And I think a lot of it stuff that, yes, I mean, I that was the thing that I, again, was not prepared for. I felt totally nervous and sheepish. Putting in the telepathy tapes was how often, many of the non speaking individuals that I was meeting, or parents or teachers that work with them, quite often, were saying that they see people on the other side that they see, you know, quote, unquote, non human intelligence, right? Like, whether that's an angel or something more sinister, or a spirit or a loved one. I mean, that comes up all the time, almost like as much as the telepathy and and again, like a lot of the stuff that was really jarring to me were things that I did not know how to manage or handle, or what were coming from parents when we weren't shooting, you know, like one parent was sending me pictures of her daughter terrified, looking at something in a corner, and she was saying that I see a spirit, he's a bad, bad bad spirit, and he won't leave. And that parents had went to the mall, and they said that nowhere, no matter where they're going, this girl is saying that this bad, bad spirit is like following them. And they were like, how do we get rid of it? And I'm like, I don't know. I have no way that's like, not anything I know about and and so I think that stuff where I was re and then it wasn't just one email, right? These are emails coming in all the time about stuff like that. So the reality that these individuals are often experiencing a much richer, visual, emotional, different reality than we are that there seems to be able to see. I don't know what you want to call it, like consciousness that we can't see, beings that we can't see around we can't see.

Alex Ferrari 39:33
Yeah, let me ask you, how do you how has this reshaped your understanding of consciousness, our relationship with the brain and all of this, because I gotta believe this is shaking you to the core.

Ky Dickens 39:43
Yeah. I mean, I didn't, I wasn't certain that we survived that. And the fact, the whole reason I kind of started on this journey that ended up into the fluffy tapes was trying to figure out what, what happened to two friends of mine who died in like, the prime of their life with kids, really. People too. You know, where it was like, This isn't fair the heck. There can't be any meaning in this chaos around me, you know. And and now I believe fully that consciousness survives the body that we that we there is somewhere more real than here we are, experiencing this 3d life in these bodies that we have. But this is not reality. This is, this is a version of a ephemeral reality, and we're learning a lot here at Earth school, but this is not the final destination. I believe that telepathy is the baseline of communication. And if we truly want to evolve as a consciousness, as a being, as a group, and we do need stuff like that, yeah, as a species, thank you, because we're if you are not afraid of your if you're not afraid of someone hearing your thoughts, it's because they're pure, and you're thinking about the other and you're thinking about the group, you're thinking about wholeness and loving thoughts, right? And so the only way to get to that point is really, if we were all sharing our thoughts, I think the idea of someone being in your mind terrifies most of us, because some of our thoughts are egotistical and sinister and thinking about the self instead of the other. So I have completely upended my worldview. But it's beautiful. It's this is a much more rich and meaningful world to live in, and it does impact your choices when you feel certain that that this is not all there is.

Alex Ferrari 41:32
Do you, um, and I'm, I don't know if you're an expert in this. I'm definitely not, but I'm trying to remember, I'm trying to think of in the animal kingdom, or in nature, where telepathy plays a part. And the only thing I can think of is birds flying in patterns the bees flying or insects flying in kind of these patterns that they just kind of follow each other, no matter where they go. Is that kind of, I mean, have you played around with any of that in your in your research?

Ky Dickens 42:04
Yeah, in fact, um, there in episode five of the telepathy tapes, there is a beautiful story, and it was something that I think my dad just, I have to go back really quick, is very again, materialistic, not not in the I want money, but believing in materialism as the face of our society and reality and and so nothing really, I think me doing this. He was like, what is happening with you here? You know, not anymore, now, full fledged, like he believes everything, because he's been on this journey with me. But the first thing that really moved him was the story of this, of this man, Lawrence, I believe his name was, and he's in episode five of the telepathy tapes, which is our animal telepathy episode. And this man, Lawrence, what we was in Africa with his wife, and tried to get all these elements elephants that were being poached to a preserve. It took a lot of time. These elephants were a nuisance, right? They were in villages and stuff causing a ruckus, so it took a lot of time and trust and love, but he got all these elephants to this preserve, and he kind of had a lifelong friendship with these elephants, and as much as a human can, but certainly saved a lot of their lives. And he kind of this reserve was huge. He was living on a house Far, far away from where the elephants kind of had migrated, and he died, and pretty much like the day he died, a bunch of these elephants started walking to his house, and then they made a circle around his house, and they did the whole grieving ceremony, and they stayed at his house, and they could not figure out how or why they knew he died, but they certainly knew, and they did an appropriate time of mourning at the house, and then they left. But the story doesn't end there, because every year on his death, at least for I think five years, they would come back to his house on the day that he died and honor him. And how do you make sense of that?

Alex Ferrari 44:02
I mean, what do you have to say? Like, how what you could be the most skeptical person on the planet? But there's something happening. What that is, is, if you're open minded, is very exciting. If you're close minded is terrifying. That is, that is a telepathy, a connection, something, I mean, we've all heard those we've all heard those stories. If you're if you're a parent, you have a connection with your children, you know, when they're in trouble. Like I remember when I was a kid and I was outside and playing, and a dog, you know, attacked me, and I jumped on top of a car to get away from him, and my grandmother, not knowing anything, I didn't scream or anything, she just came running out. Like, how did she know, like, from inside of a building or something like that. Like, how did she know? Like, those connections are there? We've all felt it.

Ky Dickens 44:55
Yeah. Well, and one of the things too, in episode five of the telepathy, episode. Introduce a wonderful biologist, Dr Rupert sheldray, who's been around for a long time. And one of you know, I think, a study that he did that everyone can kind of love, because it reflects so many of our lives, is he did a study called dogs, no one and their owners are coming home. And what he did is he would put, you know, have cameras all over house to see if dogs or cats, pets knew when their owners were coming home, and they would page an owner. So, you know, this was years ago, and pagers were a thing at their office, and say, Okay, come home now. So it was a different time. Every day, they would have them come home in a taxicab. They would have them come home in a different car. They'd have them come home from different directions, all sorts of things, so the dog wouldn't know the sound of the car, the this or the that or the time, and but the second the person was paged and started leaving the office, the dog or the and sometimes, I think in 30% of the cases, the cat would go wait by the door and get excited. And what was really interesting is sometimes those owners would be pulled into a meeting, right? Or they had a flat tire, something happened. And as soon as that happened, then the animal would go and go back to their bed or go upstairs and rest, because they knew something had disrupted their owner coming home. And then when the owner was coming home again, the animal would come back. So there's we know that this is the case, not in all pets, but in some many of the ones tested, this was the case. So I think animals have relied on telepathy to communicate, and I think the baseline of it, again, is like a deep connection in love. I don't think there's like a sinister element to this. I think it's always with, usually between people who are deeply connected and have a very safe, loving relationship.

Alex Ferrari 46:40
Yeah, I always wondered, how do animals know when there's an earthquake coming or when there's a hurricane coming? Because they don't have the Weather Channel, and they start doing things and preparing for things. But you wonder, how do they know? Like, What? What? Like, that elephant story, like, how? How could they know?

Ky Dickens 46:58
Yeah, and, I mean, some of that could be them. They're more tied into wind pattern. They hear a change in this or they they can hear that this bird is, you know, I mean, who knows what they're because we know that there's all sorts of colors we can't see and and audible frequencies we can't pick up on that some animals can. So I do think a lot of that might be will be just explained by science, but some of it can't be. And that's the elephant story. Yeah, elephant story, but some of it can't be explained, and I think that's the loopholes that we need to be really thoughtful about. The stuff that can't be explained, we need to look at, we need to study, and I think we'll find that we are much more complex and powerful and connected than we could have ever imagined.

Alex Ferrari 47:42
So you've been doing this for a while now. How many years have you been working on this project? About four now, about four years. Okay, so you've seen, you know, you are similar in my to me, because I have a unique perspective, because I have all these big guests, and I get to talk to all these people. Well, you have a unique perspective, because you've been able to do the same with people in this field. What the hell do you think is going on? What is your hypothesis from being as close as you are to it?

Ky Dickens 48:11
Yeah, I mean, I can tell you that, like a lot of the researchers that I've talked to, like Dr Powell, who's this was her work, right? Her research, when I've asked her what she thinks is going on, she will say that she thinks it is, yeah, kind of the equivalent of a simulation and but I don't want people to get worried about that word. I don't think it means we're living in a video game and that we're being controlled and anything like that. I think the base of it is that there's something more real than here, right this, like baseline reality that isn't this and that we might have, you know, souls that exist happily in that other reality, but come here into these bodies and then go back again to that place. So I almost when realizing, looking at the science of this talking to the non speaking individuals. That was when I was like, okay, everyone's talking about some spiritual baseline that isn't here, and this connection and being able to see things that we don't see. And I could see why the simulation theory, it almost is a catch all for religion, too, if you think about it, right? This idea that there's something more real, that we have souls, that that there's something that created us, right? I mean, they are the same. They're talking kind of about the same thing, just in different ways. And I think I do believe that, that there's a base reality that's not here, and I believe now in other dimensions that we can't see because so many non speakers talk talk about that all the time. They talk about seeing spirits, they talk about seeing angels. They talk about communicating with God. They talk about being taught by great teachers in another place. They talk about being able to absorb information in this other place. And some of them will. Will go at night and then come back knowing all the storylines to certain books or authors, great, great literature from around the world. And one non speaker who's actually interested, because he was a fully a speaker who, with, you know, has high functioning autism, and then he chose not to speak because he thought his words were clunky and difficult, and brought him to down to this lower vibration. He preferred to just stop talking at a certain age, but he will say that he can go to what he calls the realms and get information on any topic at all, anything that we want. And he says that everything that we do here on Earth in this 3d world, adds information to this place. And any decision we make, anything we create, anything goes there. So, so all this information library keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and that's interesting, because, again, if you talk to people talk about simulation theory, part of that is about like, amassing information, information, information. So I feel like there's a link between spirituality, simulation theory dimensions and those are things that come have come up all the time in this work. And whether you want to be super sciencey about it and just be like, you know, work as a simulation theory, we're created by something else. You know, this isn't really real. Or if it's like a deep reverence for a God who lovingly created us. I think, you know, people are going to fall in different ways. I tend to believe because of how much love, love, love, love comes throughout all of this and everything that non speakers want to talk about is Love is what unifies. Love is what's important. Unity is what's important. We're all one. We're all one that spiritual message is what I cling to. I think that's the most important thing here, and I think it's what religions and faith groups have been talking about from the beginning of time. And so that lends me to believe that that is the deepest truth.

Alex Ferrari 51:57
And when you were saying that he goes to another place where all information is. And as you were explaining everything, you were just saying, like everything we do keeps building into this library, you're basically explaining the Akashic records. And some, some quantum physicists have talked about it as the Akashic field, the thing that kind of joins all of us. I mean, it's fascinating how science and spirituality are becoming closer and closer and closer and closer to the point where I believe we will look back at the materialistic times, materialism era, and just laugh, kind of like what we do now with people's, you know, like, oh Thor. Like, not the word Zeus is your god. Oh god, yeah, the sun god is raw, and you look at you like, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's pretty fascinating. Where do you what? What is your goal with all of this? Kai like, where do you want? What do you want to achieve by putting this out in the world? What's your hopes and dreams for the telepathy tapes?

Ky Dickens 52:57
Well, you know, first and foremost, of course, is for everyone to treat non speakers and as though they're competent, to know that they're competent, that they are in there. They're individuals, they're smart, funny. They have interests and hopes and desires, just like all of us, and that they need to be enabled to spell and that needs to be accessible and affordable. And it's really damaging to continually say that their words are not their own, especially when parents and teachers, the ones working with them every day, are like, there's no doubt these are their words. They're self diagnosing themselves. They know things I don't know. So really vindicating and creating and carving out a space for the non speaking individuals to thrive and be met in our society, in our schools, is the most important thing, and like in second measure, is creating a paradigm shift. You know, I think that we have it a little wrong with materialism. Not all wrong. A lot of science is correct, but that consciousness is not the big mystery that just happened to come from everything. It is the base and the only way we can describe any of these gifts, like telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, remote viewing, near death experiences, all the things that seem to overlap in what people are saying is, if consciousness is fundamental, there's something more real than here, and that we need to really know and care about that so we can be loving each other, forgiving each Other, thinking about the other, not just humanity, but animals. We are one. We're all just in this little blue ball, you know, we, we have to take care of one another, and, and I and, and if we can start, you know, getting to that place, I think we have a shot to continue as as a human race.

Alex Ferrari 54:38
Yes, there is a couple challenges along the way, for sure, but I agree with you. Now I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask, oh my goodness, guy, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Ky Dickens 54:49
Well, I think if you're living a fulfilled life, you're you have a deep sense of what your destiny is, and you're not afraid to die. You know, I think if you are being true to yourself and you. You like the choices that you're making every day. You're following your heart and doing what you want to do. You don't fear death because you are doing it right. You're doing what you should be doing while you're here and and so for me, that's always been number one is just making sure that my choices resonate with who I am deeply and why I think it is I'm supposed to be here, right? I mean, I know a lot of people believe that you have these like you choose kind of your your destiny points before you get here, you are here to hit those points. And things feel really off if you're not hitting those points, but they are, you feel really great and when you are hitting those Destiny points. So, yeah, I think that that saying true to yourself is such a trite thing to say, but I think if you listen, are you happy? Are you doing what you're meant to be doing? If you're doing those things, you're going to feel great. Not be afraid to pass over. I can't imagine being afraid of death. Yeah. Okay, so next question,

Alex Ferrari 56:01
That's another question I normally don't ask it. But are you afraid to death anymore?

Ky Dickens 56:05
No, no. I mean, I want

Alex Ferrari 56:07
Were you before? Were you before? Were you before?

Ky Dickens 56:10
I mean, not really afraid again, because I think I always felt like I was hitting my destiny points, and when I wasn't doing what I was supposed to do, I feel really sick and really anxious and really angry, like I knew I was supposed to move to California and I couldn't explain it, and like, my whole family was so settled in Chicago, and I was like, No, there's some reason I have to move and and it was, you know, I was got in the hospital because I was so sick with, like, knowing I was in the wrong place. And then I moved out here, and that never happened again. So I think, no, I'm not, I wasn't afraid of dying before, because I felt like I was doing what I wanted to do and loving to do with my life, but like what I was afraid of was like not seeing my kids grow up, if I die too soon, not knowing who they marry, you know, and now I don't fear that, because I think that if something happened to me, I'll be very aware of what they're doing.

Alex Ferrari 56:59
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Ky. What advice would you give her?

Ky Dickens 57:03
I didn't know you're gonna ask that I wasn't prepared for that one. I've always been my own little engine, in a way. So I've had a lot of faith in myself, you know, but I think I work too hard and I've taken things really seriously. So I guess at times I wish I would have just like, kicked back and relaxed and lived in the present moment. Because at the end, that's really all we have, right, is like now and and so, yeah, I mean, I think especially to my teenage years and 20s, I really then I wish I would have just like, relaxed a bit more and just enjoyed and been connected in the exact moment that I was living. But I do look back on all the mistakes and and non mistakes I've made, and they're all great, like, those are the things that make you who you are, you know,

Alex Ferrari 57:54
How do you define God or Source?

Ky Dickens 57:57
Well, you know, I had experiences really little that were interesting. You know, I think the first was, I got locked into a bathroom that I wasn't supposed to be in during a swim meet. I couldn't, like the other one had the mop, so I knew there was, like, the secret bathroom at the public pool that, like, you go down this long stairwell and use there's someone sitting at the top of it during meets, and I had to go so bad. So I just went down there. He had been away from his chair the meld or slammed, and I'm like, Oh no, I'm stuck down here. I could hear my meat, my heat, being announced, and I started screaming. And I thought, you know, I think I must have been seven. I was like, I'm gonna die down here. I'm freezing. I'm in a bathing suit. There's no food, there's no water, no one's gonna find me, because this guy was upstairs making sure no one came down here. And I couldn't open the door. And then I started screaming for help, and then I started praying, and then I heard this, like, really loving voice, being like, you're fine. We're gonna get you out. Hold on. And then, like, the door opened, and I, like, ran really quick, like, out the door, like, where's the woman? Where's the woman, where's the woman? And like, ran up the stairs, and the guy, what are you doing down here? You weren't supposed to be on this bathroom. I'm like, no, no, where was the woman who just let me out? And he's like, there's been no woman down here. And I think that was my first sense of like, I was an angel. I knew for sure it was, you know, what else then and then, when I was a My Crush, I told my daughter this story last night, when I was, like, 12 or 13, my crush at the time, Matthew Corrigan, who was the first boy ever asked me, he died in a car crash, and I don't think my family knew how devastated I was. I remember they wanted to go see Robin Hood or something, and I was like, I'm just gonna sleep. And I fell asleep on the sofa, or I was trying to fall asleep, and I was under a bunch of blankets. And then I heard someone say goodbye so loud in my ear, and I thought, That's my brother's playing a joke. That's so mean. So I got up, like ran around. Then I saw that the car was gone out of the driveway. None of my family was there, so I went back to bed again, got onto the couch, you know, blankets on the couch, and then I heard, heard someone say my name and say goodbye again. So that was the next time where I was like, What the heck. Like someone was there. So those things were happening a lot when I was little, you know, and they don't have. As much now as you get older. But to me, at a very young age, I was like, Okay, there's something, something bigger than just us. What is love? Love is anything that unifies. And I've learned that from the non speakers. You know, I used to think it's like, you die for this person, or you die for this or it's putting someone else before you, but I think the most simple definition is, it's anything that unifies, right? It's it's you, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:27
And what is the ultimate purpose of this life?

Ky Dickens 1:00:30
Well, I think it is to grow out of those human desires that are often ego driven, selfish. You know, and I think to get to the point where we are thinking of unity and love and forgiveness and connection. And I also think we can't underestimate, like, what we create here, because I do think that's the only that's what we have in common with God or the source? Is it? So it's what creates. And so anything we create, I believe, goes into that Akashic field that is outlives us by strides, right? Anything we do here, anything you own that doesn't outlive you. Come on, only things that create last. And so for me, it's like creating, and that could be relationships. It could be building a home that's gonna allow live view. You know, it could be creating a organization that takes care of people. It could be creating a feeling on this earth, whatever it is. But creating is really important.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:35
And where can people find out more about you and support your making of the telepathy tapes documentary, which I got to see.

Ky Dickens 1:01:44
Yeah. So all this started in hopes of making this visual right and like filming university back tests and all those things. So if people go to the telepathytapes.com and they can donate to the film, and there's a button right there, they can also watch the trailer that we have, and some of the telepathy tests as well.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:03
Awesome. Thank you so much. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Ky Dickens 1:02:07
No, I would just say to that you and which I think your audience does. But the most important thing is to be skeptical, but open minded. You know, I think is if you close your mind, you're just as dogmatic and frustrating as you know the old line, you know, fundamentalist who did not, who believe so hard that the earth was the center of the universe, right? Like, being closed minded is not helpful. So if we keep open minded and we stay curious and we stay kind, we're going to solve some of these or answer some of these questions.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:42
Ky, thank you again, so much for being on the show. It's been such a pleasure talking to you, and I, I'm a big supporter of what you're doing. I really hope you get this movie made and get this out there, because I think it could be a game changer. It already is with your show, and hopefully we can help a little bit along the way. So I appreciate you, and I appreciate you your work and what you're doing to awaken this planet. So thank you.

Ky Dickens 1:03:04
Thank you so much, Alex. I appreciate it, and you as well.