NDE: I Died & Was Shown the One Truth About Life with Julie Papievis

Julie Papievis is a survivor of a severe brain stem injury. As a result of her death experience and miraculous recovery, she now speaks to various schools through an international injury prevention program called ThinkFirst, as well as to many other medical, community, and spiritual organizations. Julie is the Brand Ambassador for Fairhaven Wealth Management. She advocates for others who face sudden physical, emotional and financial changes in their lives.

Her story has been featured in Women’s Day, Chicago Women, and First for Women magazines. She has made numerous television appearances on Lifetime, TLN television, ABC, CNN, WGN’s WB, CBN’s 700 Club Show, and most recently, the Dr. Oz show. She has been featured in the Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun-Times, and The Daily Herald. In Julie’s book Go Back and Be Happy, she illustrates how tragedy can be turned into triumph—dying into living. Despair into hope. Her story can be used as a resource for a real-life strategy in how to move forward with perseverance and hope for a happy and healthy life.

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Julie Papievis 0:00
You know, as something's coming towards you, you're going to look towards it. And I must have been doing that and the force of his car hitting mine. If 50 miles an hour, twisted my head around on the brainstem and lacerated, severed most of it but

Alex Ferrari 0:15
I'd like to welcome the show Julie Papievis.How you doing Julie?

Julie Papievis 0:33
I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me, Alex.

Alex Ferrari 0:36
Oh, thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm really, you know, I'm, I'm excited to hear your story. I've heard parts of it. And it's, it's interesting to say the least, you've ever you have a very interesting, and the story, to say the least. So my first question to you is, what was your life like prior to your NDE?

Julie Papievis 0:54
Very ordinary. I was like this. And I remember saying, I can't believe that God gave all this to me because I was just such a ordinary person. And it really felt like a responsibility after I had my NDE. So I was just, I worked as an accountant for Price Waterhouse. And for McDonald's Corporation, and then I was an account executive for us to allotter. And then I had my accident.

Alex Ferrari 1:29
So did you feel? Did you feel like happy? Were you off? Did you like feel something was something was missing? Did you feel you were off track in life prior to the end?

Julie Papievis 1:40
Well, I had gotten divorced the year before. Okay. Okay, divorce the year before. And, and it was it was my decision that I made. And and so I felt like it was the right decision for me.

Alex Ferrari 1:58
So that kind of threw up that the you do you you felt there was something off at that point?

Julie Papievis 2:03
Well, I never, I don't believe in divorce. I mean, I never got married to get divorce. You know what I mean?

Alex Ferrari 2:08
No one does.

Julie Papievis 2:10
Right. But isn't that I believe in it. But I never certainly got a

Alex Ferrari 2:18
Let me ask you, what was your what were your religious? Did you have religious beliefs prior to your end?

Julie Papievis 2:24
Yeah, I was born and raised Catholic. Same here. When I remember making my first communion, and that was like a big celebration, family, and friends and First Communion, I was able to talk at the church and read on one of the readings. And that was so exciting for me, I love that kind of thing. And then my confirmation, I always have loved the Holy Spirit. I've always had such a connection, I felt to the Holy Spirit, because it's the living spirit. And so I've always felt really connected to that. And so when I made, we went through, you know, different classes, before we made our confirmation, I'm in eighth grade, and my grandmother was my sponsor was very close to and we saw in heaven. And it was just a wonderful thing for me to make my confirmation i that. I am like an adult in the church. And I'm like, close to the Holy Spirit. It was a big was a big thing.

Alex Ferrari 3:29
It was a big, big to do as you as you said, I remember, I remember going through the exact same things. You mean you then and confirmation back in the day. So tell me so tell me what happened in your nde?

Julie Papievis 3:43
Um, well. I was all of a sudden in this open area where there were no floors or ceilings.

Alex Ferrari 3:53
Well, what happened? Like rubbed out? Like, what was the accident? Like what happened? Like, how did you get injured and all that?

Julie Papievis 3:53
Oh, well, I was living in a shopping mall. I just gotten home from a trip with a girlfriend Cancun. We just, like are working too much. We're just gonna take a quick trip and we had a really nice time and I got home the day before, or me at home the day before Sunday, and then Monday I went to work. I don't have any memory of the time at work, but after work, I went to get some moisturizer for my for my son getting down in Cancun, and I was leaving the shopping mall. And a young man who recently had gotten his license was speeding, going over 50 miles an hour and a 35 mile an hour zone. And he was distracted and ran the red light and nailed me right in my driver's door. I was a little sports car and he was in a bigger older car and if 50 miles an hour hit me and you know something's coming towards you. You're gonna look for Was that and I must have been doing that and the force of his car hitting mine, it 50 miles an hour, just in my head around on the brainstem and lacerated suburb, most of it. But there was an updated paramedic, who was at the scene. He was from another town, the next town over getting a tire fixed. But I guess they all have radios that communicate with each other, and there was another fire station, right down the street. And so you call them and he told them to bring the jaws of life because my car was So Kristen save time to be able to get me out. And he gets my car first. And he broke the back window and got behind me and lifted my head to serve an airway. So I didn't lose oxygen going into my brain. And that really was so helpful. And then the paramedics were there, you know, again, right down the street, you call them right away. So three minutes, they were full on me. I mean, they were quick 14 minutes door to door from the hospital getting the call. Yeah, I mean, amazing. First Responders amazing. And they have when when they got me, paramedic wagon, I already did not have a blood pressure. And so my body like depleted, you know, you lose control of all your body, bodily functions in them in the ambulance, and everything. And they, because I didn't have any blood pressure, they knew that there was they needed to have an EEG test on my brain to determine life or death status. And so they call ahead, always the hospitals to let them know what they're getting. And so they called to have a neurosurgeon waiting. And he was waiting, and he did meet EEG on my brain. And it was shown that I did not have enough brain activity to keep me alive. So on most days, I could have been legally declared dead. But in Illinois, there's a law that your next of kin, your family member, and caregiver or someone has to be contacted before you can be legally declared dead. So they were forced to put me on life support. And they call my mom and dad to come in and make the decision to keep me out or take me off. And we recently lost my dad to cancer. And thank you very hard. And the design colleges said I know this diagnosis was the worst day of your life. And my dad said no, getting the call about her crash was the worst day in my life. I mean, could make me cry right now. It's just, you know, I'm not a parent, I know you are. And I mean, I just can't imagine anything more devastating than to get that and then they got pulled aside by a champion when they went into the hospital, and a doctor and a nurse. And they were told that 96% of people with my injury die within the first 24 hours. And the 4% of people live lives. Some of its natively like in a nursing home, but my parents are going to give me care for home, they had made that decision. If I had made it past the person I I guess all of a sudden, a priest came to give me last rites. And my parents said and called our parents and so they just really didn't that thing. That's when they I think they was they knew that it was that serious. I don't think it really hits people initially, it's too much information coming at them. And, you know, that's why when they say that, you know, most people die. 96% of people die. With my injury in the first 24 hours. I did die in those first 24 hours and but I remained in a coma for six weeks. And my parents kept me in life support and kept fighting for the, you know, my dad said I kept saying they wanted to put me into a nursing home after a month. And there was just they were giving them no hope, because it was brainstem was most of my injuries. So you know, that's your involuntary functions in your body. And so my dad said no, we're not going to put her in nursing home. We're going to put her in a coma stimulation program to give her a chance to wake up and we're just going to give her every chance. Trying to get better. I mean, I was training for by Avalon. I was 29 years old. I had a great career. I mean, my dad said I just couldn't say okay, yeah, we'll just put in a nursing home and there's no hope. He said I just I didn't feel that I wouldn't do that.

Alex Ferrari 10:02
So, so let me ask you a question. Everything that you're saying right now is fairly detailed, but you're out cold at this point. So this is all secondhand information, correct?

Julie Papievis 10:12
Yes.

Alex Ferrari 10:12
Okay. So at what point what was the last thing you remember before you went to the other side?

Julie Papievis 10:19
Um, last thing I remember was when I got home. Like, it was Mother's Day when I got home from my trip to Cancun, and my girlfriend's husband dropped us off at my parents house because it was Mother's Day and my brother drove me home. And we were talking about my trip. And that's last memory I had.

Alex Ferrari 10:40
So So was your brother in the car too?

Julie Papievis 10:44
No he just when he dropped me off the night before? So that was Sunday night. So So what my neurosurgeon is totally you remember in sleep wake cycles. So the last thing I would remember is before where I went to sleep, and is this what you said you won't remember Monday at work and I don't

Alex Ferrari 11:04
So you don't remember the accident, new accident at all

Julie Papievis 11:11
My neurosurgeon said that I my body could never take, remembering that. He said, It's just he's that's your brain's way of protecting itself. And he calls me his dead patient. He said, You know, you were

Alex Ferrari 11:26
So so Okay, so what was the first memory of you being on the other side?

Julie Papievis 11:32
So, are you ever zero because I was dead?

Alex Ferrari 11:36
You knew it you so it wasn't a confusion like nope, I'm dead.

Julie Papievis 11:39
Yep. But I knew I was there because I was dead. No floors, or ceilings just open. And the walls except his very narrow Ioway to the left hand side. And I remember thinking, why did God make that I always so narrow, when a lot of people die like Indonesia. I do remember thinking this. And I'm like, when I get down and I went, I'm gonna ask him, Why couldn't you make them wider? Me, I can't believe that. I was thinking. I know. I'm like, why. And so the next thing I knew I was before. My Tutsis grandmother's. And I feel like it really was not my deceased grandmother's I feel like it was God in the Holy Spirit, because my one grandmother did not speak. And my other grandmother, it was like, her eyes were these tunnels of blue light. We all had blue eyes. And she didn't actually speak words, but I couldn't take my eyes off her eyes. And I was happy to see them. And I said, okay, can my girls let's go like down the aisle way that we're going to go together. And my grandmother said, you can't go back. For I'm sorry, you have to go back. You can't go with us. And I said, Well, I can't go back because I'm that physically, okay. And I was pointing to my left side, it was paralyzed. And how I knew that I was paralyzed. No idea. And with, again, these endless tunnels of blue light, it was just like, the thoughts that were like, conveyed to me, and not words. But it was like said that your body will heal. And then I just felt like it was wrapped in a big warm blanket, like by the Holy Spirit, and I felt like everything was going to be okay. And I was protected. And then she said, go back and be happy. And so that's why we need the book, that that's my website. That's why everything is go back and be happy. Because that's the thing, a blessing that she told me. And the next memory I had, was waking up from the coma at the rehab hospital six weeks later.

Alex Ferrari 14:04
Wow. And so that was so when you were on the other side, there was no life review, there was no, any of the other things that are typical, in a near death experience. This was just like, You got to your grandmother's. They said, Nope, gotta go back. And then the next thing, but it was six weeks in time, technically.

Julie Papievis 14:22
Right! And, you know, I have no idea when it really happened because I'm just sure I died on the way to the hospital and and another gentleman was, who's done a lot of work with near death studies. He said, he started laughing and he said, I have never seen God or the Holy Spirit show up in grandmothers and you know, and other people that he is like, you know, and and I said it was just the added thing. It really wasn't like my grandmother's it was just the form of them. And it was perfect because you know who more what I feel feel more comfortable with and I was so close to them and it was wonderful to see them and for them to greet me and I would have been happy to go with them and but it's for me it was, it just was so amazing that when I first got there, and I knew I was dead, it's a it's a perfect piece that you will never be able to feel here on Earth. It's just it's, it's just such perfection.

Alex Ferrari 15:31
And then you felt I'm assuming love to just a tremendous amount of love around there as well.

Julie Papievis 15:36
Yep, just peaceful perfection.

Alex Ferrari 15:40
And it seems that, from my understanding from talking to so many near death experiences at this point, that each each nd is custom built for the person. So you know, if you believe in Jesus, Jesus generally shows up if you're a Buddhist Buddha shows up if you know if you're tribesmen you go down. In other words, you know, there's different differences. And they will, it makes perfect sense that your grandmothers would show up because they are the most you were very close to them, you would feel comfortable with them. If you know somebody you know, Uncle Bob showed up and you'd like knew you knew uncle Bob for like five minutes. And when you kind of remember what do you Uncle Bob, what do you do in here? But yeah, I've heard I've heard like, you know, first grade teachers showing up for for people, because that teacher meant something I was gonna say was special, someone special to that. And they never other than the first grade never saw them again. But they go oh, it's Mrs. Oh, what's your name? And oh, well, what are you doing here? And it's so it's it? That's it. See, you know, a common denominator is making it feel very comfortable. Generally speaking, some some go down a darker path. Yeah,

Julie Papievis 16:50
I feel sad for them. But, but but I feel that, you know, for my situation, I don't, I don't know how it could have been more perfect. Because when I woke up from the coma, and I was totally paralyzed on my left side couldn't see. Couldn't talk. I mean, it was bad. I was yeah, in diapers, better D tube. I mean, it was the whole nine. And it was was bad.

Alex Ferrari 17:20
And I'm assuming the pain hit you the second because there's no pain on the other side. But when you second you got back. He was like, Oh, God, we're back.

Julie Papievis 17:28
Right! And you're the first I was like, God, how can I remembered my experience in heaven? And then I was like, How could you leave me in a body like this? That I can't do anything for myself? Like I couldn't even communicate, I figured out how to press like my right hand that wasn't paralyzed to my face to be able to say like, yes and no. It's just like, my voice box was partially paralyzed. So that's why I couldn't really speak like sentences until I did some voice back surgeries. And I mean, I never had any idea how much your brainstem controls and what it all does, and, and I just, I felt like, like, I couldn't believe that he left me you're in the body and the fact that after I woke up, two weeks afterwards, I started I said to my dad, okay, I think I want to start walking. And the nurses were like, now you're paralyzing. And I'm like, Well, I'm going to try. And we got in trouble. My dad and I from lenders, those because he was like, my dad's a was a big man over 6x and big dude. And so he picked me up on the back of my scrubs. And he was like, okay, she wants to try and walk me he was really holding me but he's like, he wanted me to feel like I was doing something and that I wanted to do and didn't really can't be doing that kind of thing. She has to be in a wheelchair once easier, and, but I started getting better, so quickly. And everybody kept saying to me, you know, people, even people I hadn't seen in the hospital system, such as severe brainstem injury, and a person who had been deceased actually wake up and actually start to recover to the extent that I did, and then do a triathlon 10 years ago. I mean, that's the whole thing with my story is that I guess, you know, brainstem injuries.

Alex Ferrari 19:31
You don't come back from those generally speaking. Right, let alone how you came back, which is seems miraculous in its own right. Right. Well, so let me ask you this. So after you get better, obviously, you go through rehab and you are able to start to walk and you're able to go back into your into life of some sort. You know, you know, after some time, when did you come out with this story? Right, because I'm assuming this is not, you know, coffee talk.

Julie Papievis 20:06
Exactly right. And, and people were all when I, when I went to lie on the university has Medical Center and it's big university hospital. And you know, they said because of the miraculous nature of my healing and my just living that they wanted to do, you know, some literature on this in my neurosurgeon was not anyone. He since passed away from Parkinson's, but he was a dear dear man to me for many years. And he never wanted any attention, really, for anything he did. He said, Because if I could do this, I'd be doing it for everybody. And he said, so he only gave one interview with a TV show on this on my website, because he didn't want it's a Christian. So when he was a Christian man, and so he just said, you know, I don't want people thinking that this is something that can normally be done. And there was anything that I did, this is God, who is doing this. And so he just, you know, he wouldn't take credit for and so he didn't really want to write a book. And I really didn't want to either. And so I don't remember. Oh, I know. So I do remember, excuse me, I started because I don't actually even know how it got out. To be honest with you, I really don't know. But it's sort of getting out in the news.

Alex Ferrari 21:35
What the your story, your story, your story, but not the near death stuff yet, not the other side stuff, just the story of the died came back. But you hadn't really come out yet out of the closet, if you will, with the spiritual side of this miraculous thing.

Julie Papievis 21:53
Right! I well, I didn't come out really with anything. I literally was mean, rehab was my job. That was my job. And that was the hardest work I've ever done. And I mean, and that went on, almost every day, four days a week, at least three days a week, I mean, for months, for like a year and a half of just doing that and nothing else. And that was my job was to try and, you know, get better. And so the thought of writing a book or doing the end. And so, like you said, when TV shows started calling, literally calling my house, there was cleaning my house and 700 Cloud doctor as call my out, and I'm like, and so I did a bunch of different shows. And well, it all happened too. Because so when people started saying that I should get out and speak more about the story. And tell the story. I was like, boy, okay, you know, I'm an accountant. I'm like, I didn't know, I really, you know, and never been a speech person. And but I thought, you know, this is a story that people seem to want to hear. And so people were like, all the TV shows, and the people in the media were like, you know, you really need to have something to give away with this. Like a book or something. And for people to be able to live with and read more information about the story. And so we self published a book, just to get it out there quickly, because TV shows recalling and, and then it was picked up by a large publisher in England and line outs and, and put out everywhere. And so then I just began speaking much more.

Alex Ferrari 23:54
And so when so when did you come out with the story of the near death experience?

Julie Papievis 24:03
I really don't remember. I mean, I don't remember like exactly how many years it took me. I actually told my parents when I was still going to rehab, and I was actually living with them part time. And then I went to go live with my sister. I only live with them for a month. Because you know, after you've been out on your own and sorry,

Alex Ferrari 24:28
Ohh no you're in your late 20s. Early 30s. Yeah, right back. No, no.

Julie Papievis 24:32
So my sisters like Columbine combined me and and that worked out well. And then I was talking to my parents, and on one night and I said well, I didn't want to upset them. I didn't want to tell people to my family because I didn't want to upset them. And you do think that if you tell people, they're going to think that you're bizarre or that they're not going to believe you or a whole host of reasons And, and so um yeah, I really,

Alex Ferrari 25:05
What did your parents say? What did your parents say?

Julie Papievis 25:08
They knew

Alex Ferrari 25:09
They knew they already had. They really had an instinct about already intuition.

Julie Papievis 25:14
They did, because they said, You have been so peaceful about this. We had a feeling get hit intervene when you you've been so even about this and have just taken on this recovery and just do what you have to do. And they're like, we're not surprised. Because they knew, because they had, we had taken my neurosurgeon out for dinner, my dad wanted to thank him and we've had different meetings with them. My parents did, too. And so they knew from him that I was deceased. And so like I said he his call and they were for my dead patients when he called me and so they knew it. And so that's why they weren't surprised.

Alex Ferrari 26:06
So it was it was a war. It was a warm reception to the idea wasn't like you weren't like ostracized yet. Yet? I'm sure it came after you started opening up a little bit more about it to did your colleagues did your friends. Did your other siblings, any of them? Just go what?

Julie Papievis 26:24
Um, I really, most people, I get the same kind of belief systems. And I thought you were good. Yeah. So so I was pretty good with that. Um, I nobody i The word ostracized I can never say was anything? No,

Alex Ferrari 26:25
You're lucky. I mean, you were lucky because a lot of a lot of near death experience, you know, struggle with what happens when they come back? Yeah. When they come back other either parents or family members or colleagues that just go. It's not me, this is not an easy conversation. It is for you. And I because we both understand it. But it for other people, it could get a little weird.

Julie Papievis 27:11
And it makes it I'm sorry,

Alex Ferrari 27:13
No, no, it makes them want to it makes them look at their own mortality, which is also something that they don't like, I always think everybody wants to go to heaven, but just not right now.

Julie Papievis 27:21
Right. But but you know what, though? I mean, I feel so lucky that I'm given a glimpse. And, I mean, I feel so fortunate. And in the end, it's changed my life and the way, since I have had that glimpse, I really don't care. I know that sounds kind of gruff. When I say this, I really don't care what people think about me. But I mean, about that about the experience. First of all, I know, you know, there's a lot of people out there and people lie, I don't, I would never lie about this. And, you know, I'm just like I said, such an average person, I really am. And I never sought any kind of attention from this or never in. So it's just because I've had this experience that I feel that is necessary to talk about it. And especially now I think, if there COVID People are much more interested in talking about those.

Alex Ferrari 28:28
What do you hope that your story does for people?

Julie Papievis 28:32
I hope that it gives them a little insight as to what is to be expected after we pass away. And then I know that I was so fearful of what happened, even though I was a practicing Christian law, I don't know, I certainly wasn't a perfect person. And I'm like, you know, who knows what happens when you die? And, and so I'm like, now I feel like I can share that with people and give them maybe a little Okay. All right. So you have to really pay attention, know what I'm doing here and act, right.

Alex Ferrari 29:10
So I'm assuming, based on your base of the story, you've told me that your religious beliefs have not changed? If not, they were strengthened.

Julie Papievis 29:17
Right! Yes, for sure.

Alex Ferrari 29:20
They were they were strengthened. And because I've had atheists Come on, who all of a sudden were like, Well, I understand there's a God now.

Julie Papievis 29:27
It's so funny, because when the book first came out, and there are different book lines, parties and stuff, you know, and they're just for a lot of different people there. There have been in some of the speeches I've given. There's been people have come up to me privately afterwards and said, I'm an atheist, and this has given me something to think about. And I said, Well, amen.

Alex Ferrari 29:53
That's that works. So what is what is your biggest takeaway? From this experience,

Julie Papievis 30:04
I feel so lucky that I know that God is with us all the time. And I know that we're taught that. And that he's only a prayer away. And I remember, like when we were little kids, because my dad would always say, you know, give it up to God to give it up to him. And I pray all the time, and he never answers anything. And I remember saying then, to his look him I do and be like, just keep praying, keep praying. And I feel like, now I can say that, you know, God, I feel like now after, you know, today, having this podcast with you, Alex, I feel like I have, you know, more personal connections, certainly. And that's how I feel if they're being in heaven, that I have a more personal relationship with God.

Alex Ferrari 30:56
So after this near death experience, because I mean, obviously, you were already on a path you were 29. You know, you were living your life. How do you approach life? After the accident? How did you approach life after the accident? In regards to just living day by day, like, how did you there? Was there a major change from before to after? Like you, I know you're not afraid of death anymore? So that's a good thing. But But did you like, Oh, I got extra time now. I'm not going to waste it. Because that kind of the route, you went to her? How did it affect your day to day life?

Julie Papievis 31:33
I mean, I was so disabled when I woke up that, you know, for years, it really, I mean, years, I did rehab. And I mean, I was some like eight weeks to get my one toward a point forward, you know, it was ridiculous amount. But thank God, for people who do that. I mean, my recovery for years was my job, as I said, I mean, and so I feel like that was the work that I was supposed to do. And so I didn't even really have a job. And wanted to go back to work. And every time I tried to work a little dab, because I wanted to go back and do something, I would end up back in the hospital with pneumonia. And my neurosurgeon said, You cannot work full time, he's like, there's, there's just no way your body does not have that kind of stamina. And he's like, you know, you're an upper management before, and there's just no way that you're going to be able to do that your body will never be able to keep up with your brain. And so he said, that is going to be something that you're going to have to learn to accept. And he said, and because there is a difficult hurdle, he said, The suicide rate for this injury is 85%. Because a lot of people can't meet. Yeah, you know, meet that struggle. And so he actually called my parents and I had to tell us that in his office. So I've had a lot of therapy, and I, like I said, that was my job. For years, I was taking care of myself so that I could get better so that I could someday live a life where I could do things to help other people. And, you know, I speak a lot of places. Dr. Shay, my neurosurgeon, he on the College of neurosurgeons, he has a program called thing first. It's an injury prevention program for schools, for middle school and high school kids. Now, with all the stuff going on with that knowledge, I mean, just with injury prevention, just all of it. And so they have people like me get in there and talk about this kind of injury prevention thing. And he goes, get into school and talk to these kids, because we can't keep fixing these kinds of injuries, if they don't start paying attention to taking care of themselves. And so I do a lot of that I started back in the first answer.

Alex Ferrari 34:14
Well, let me ask you, why do you think not only why do you think this event happened to you? Why do you think that you had to go through all of this pain in the recovery process? I mean, this is a big, this is a big package to carry in, to get to say the least.

Julie Papievis 34:32
Yeah. I don't know. I wish I knew the answer there. Because I'm like, you know, it's funny because again, my dad and I were talking when I was at my parents and my man to we're talking about and my dad said, This recoveries responsibility. He was you know, I said, I do know that he was this recovery that you've had is responsibility. And I said, I feel that It really do. I felt that from early on. And so I always knew that that was what I was going to be going out and doing. But why he had to go through all that? I am less than happy about that.

Alex Ferrari 35:18
I'm sure but it'd be stronger for it, aren't you? Mentally, mentally, mentally, mentally, mentally, mentally, you're stronger for it.

Julie Papievis 35:30
Oh, yeah. Yeah, sir, for sure. For sure.

Alex Ferrari 35:35
So, you know, there are a lot of people listen to these shows, because they're either going through something they lost somebody, or they're in the process of losing someone, or they're sick themselves and want some answers about the other side. Do you have any, you know, comforting words about that can help people dealing with loss about to lose somebody lost within their own their own themselves going through a disease or something like that, about the other side that could be maybe comforting to them?

Julie Papievis 36:07
Well, I know that loss is hard. Loss is loss. And it's very difficult. And when you suffer a loss, that's something that you suffer and but knowing about where your loved one will go, where you will go if you're ill, and how beautiful it is, and how peaceful and wonderful it is. And it's really like you've gone home and so welcoming. It's where you feel like you belong. That I hope gives peace to people. Because it's the truth. And everyone.

Alex Ferrari 36:51
We'll said my dear well said up now I'm going to ask you a few questions. I ask all of my guests. What is your definition of living a good life?

Julie Papievis 37:02
I'm hearing you're being good love. Yeah. And doing work that's meaningful. And oh, gosh, goes live. Yeah, I just help for my friends and family. I mean, I just, it's really nothing more than that. Good enough. It's pretty simplistic. I just really, I'm just so fortunate to live every day except this cobra, that is usually very healthy. And I swim and does Redline and I still be able to do those kinds of things. And I met a wonderful man in my life. And so that's wonderful. And I have a wonderful family and good friends. And so I think all of that.

Alex Ferrari 38:14
Fair enough. So important. What is your definition of God?

Julie Papievis 38:18
Oh, definition of God. He's omniscient. There's really like no definition of him. He's not, is just stop. It's, he's omniscient. So. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 38:38
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Julie Papievis 38:44
You know, we all it's funny. I've said this to people before. So I noticed when I speak to kids, or to people who are very old, so people who have either just come from God, or just going back, or will be just going back to God, are the people who really get this. And I just really think that, that that is what is so important. So tell people that

Alex Ferrari 39:16
Tell people what?

Julie Papievis 39:19
Tell people that, you know, people were just coming from God, and people are just going to get what they get. I just want other people to be able to get

Alex Ferrari 39:28
Got it! So they have an understanding of things because they're closer to source than

Julie Papievis 39:32
Yes! And I want I want to give that understanding to other people who might not have an understanding through my story. And so, you know, I just, I feel like there's a whole, you know, middle of population of us and you know, myself included before I had my injury was you know, in that and we're all living our own lives doing our own thing, and I think that we get away from that. And I think that to be able to to bring that story to people who are all in the middle, I think is important.

Alex Ferrari 40:06
Julie, where can people find out more about you, your book and the work that you're doing?

Julie Papievis 40:11
They can go to my website. Gobackandbehappy.com. And I'm also on Facebook, LinkedIn, and Twitter yet sorry, we'll be

Alex Ferrari 40:27
And your books available on Amazon Of course.

Julie Papievis 40:29
Of course. Yes. Yes.

Alex Ferrari 40:31
Julie, thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your journey with us in this incredible story and I hope it inspires and give some comfort to a lot of people listening out there so I appreciate you my dear.

Julie Papievis 40:41
I appreciate you too very much, Alex. I appreciate this so much given the opportunity to talk to you.

Alex Ferrari 40:48
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