The Dark Side of the Law of Attraction with Joe Vitale

Joe Vitale 0:00
I think there's something that I'll call a divine delay. And that divine delay is because some things do take a little time to create. My example is, if you wanted a mustard tree, and I put a mustard seed in your hand and said, Okay, manifest the mustard tree. Well, you're gonna have to plant it, you're gonna have to water it, you're gonna have to clean any weeds around it, you're going to have to focus on it, and in due time, through the natural process, you will get your mustard treated.

Alex Ferrari 0:26
Is there any potential dangers in misusing this power of manifestation?

Joe Vitale 0:32
The Dark Side of the light chasers was about the shadow side of all those people who say, I'm doing good in the world, and I want to do good in the world, other people might notice it, but we, in our shadow don't notice it, because it's coming out of the darkness. It's coming out of the side of us that we're blind to, the blind spot of our own sight.

Alex Ferrari 1:00
Now before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I like to welcome back to the show, returning champion Dr. Joe Vitale, how you doing Dr. Joe?

Joe Vitale 1:26
A returning champion. What an intro. That's fantastic. Hey, I'm honored to be here. I'm grateful to be here. Thanks for having me back.

Alex Ferrari 1:34
Thank you so much for coming back on the show. You were one of our very first episodes. I think we were in the teens, almost four years ago at this point, and the show has grown a bit since then. We're closing in on 600 and we're doing a little, you know, doing the good work, trying to get the get this information out to the world. And I appreciate you coming back and and one of the reasons I wanted to bring you back is to let people know about your show, The Attractor Factor that's on Next Level Soul TV, and people are loving it, and they I mean, people love you, Joe, people love you in love with the wonderful energy you bring to the world. So thank you so much for that, my friend.

Joe Vitale 2:12
Of course, thank you. There's a lot of exciting things going on besides that show, so I want to get into this, and I support you. And what you're doing here, you're on a mission to make a difference. And if there's any time in humanity that we need it, it's now. So thanks for what you're doing,

Alex Ferrari 2:29
And let's talk about that real quick before we get into a lot of the work that you do. You know the world is going a little haywire right now, and there seems to be a lot of growing pains. I'd love to hear your point of view of what we're going through as humanity, where we're going from your point of view, and what the law of attraction or manifestation part plays in all of this. Because I feel like you know, as you've said many times, we are the creators of our own reality. Yeah, well, humanity is creating a hell of a reality for itself, right? Let's hear your thoughts.

Joe Vitale 3:05
Oh, my God, Alex, those are such big questions, and I'm fishing in my brain for divine guidance on the best way to answer. I think on the first level, it's important to realize that what we're going through isn't all that much different than what's gone through history for mankind, in many ways, this is easier than ever before. It is less harsh than ever before, less dangerous, less chaotic, less murderous. I take a historic view, mainly because I write so many books where I have to read of history, and when I look back over history, it's like, Man, there were civil wars, there were families killing each other. There were times that were so appalling we can't even imagine them, let alone try to live in them. We went through all of that. And so yes, we look around right now, and yeah, there's there's things to be concerned about. There's things to be nervous about, but that's when you look at the 3d reality. You look at the physical world, and you think it's going to be this way all the time. You think it's going to be a threat all the time. I have a historic view, as I mentioned, but I also have a spiritual view. The spiritual view says this is a bit of a play of the cosmos, and the play has to be acted out. We are acting it out to get to a new higher level of resolution. That higher level is more spiritual awareness, that is more acceptance, that is more love. In the world, you mentioned the law of attraction, there is something that is called group attraction. Yes, the secret and a lot of books, including my own thought people that we're creating all our own reality, individually, through our subconscious thoughts and our feelings and what we're focusing on. But there's group attraction. Religion, we as a group. There are villages of people, and there are countries of people who are thinking in similar ways, and that thinking is causing us to attract a particular reality. So we're doing it as a kind of group effort. When we look out into the world and we pay too much attention to what appears to be the doom and gloom. We amplify the doom and gloom as a group, and from the Law of Attraction standpoint, we pull more of it to be an awareness of and then we pull more of it to expand on what we want to do. And this is part of the awakening. Is interrupt that process and realize, wait a minute, we're the ones doing this. We're the ones doing this. We've been given the power of creation, and we're creating what most people would agree is a nerve wracking mess. Well, on one level it is. On another level it isn't, but what we want to do, individually and collectively, is awaken to our own divine superpower and redirect the focus so we create a different reality. That's part of the very reason why we're going through this. It's to give us the opportunity to change the game, and we do it from the inside out.

Alex Ferrari 6:18
So what we focus on becomes you amplify anything on the positive and on the negative.

Joe Vitale 6:25
That's the very simple way of putting it. It's what you focus on with thought and with emotion and with repetition. When you weave those three in there, now you're starting to create reality when you're thinking about it, and you're adding your emotion to it, which is usually fear or insecurity or hate. When you start putting the emotion in and you repeat it, you're reinforcing the spell, and you're creating it again. We can use the same process interrupt it, start thinking about, how do we want it to be? Add the emotion of love, the emotion of passion, the emotion of peace, to it, and repeat that, then we start to create the new reality using the same mechanism that created what is considered to be the mess.

Alex Ferrari 7:18
So one thing I wanted to ask you is I've spoken to a lot of near death experiencers on the show over the years. And one thing that they say on the other side, and this rolls into manifestation, is on the other side, there you think of something, and it's there very instantly. It's kind of like that movie where dreams may come, where Robin Williams created his essentially heaven. And it was and they said, Oh, here, there's enough space for all of us to have our own worlds. It was a line from that movie, and he was thinking things and would just start appearing, and things would solidify and so on and so forth. But on the other side, there is no delay. Here, though, in the third dimensional world, there is a delay. Thank God there's a delay, right, right? Because you imagine, you imagine the 15 year old boy, if everything that came into that guy's head happened, the whole, whole society would come crashing down. So is that kind of your understanding as well, that the reason that there is a delay here when we try to create or manifest is it's in our own best interest to have this delayed kind of, like almost thickening of like, you're kind of like going, I always call it like you're walking through water versus walking through air. There's very little resistance when you're walking through air, it's almost instantaneous. But when you're in water, you gotta, kind of, there is that little bit of resistance we need that, right? Really, kind of, because people like, Oh, why is it taking so long? Sometimes it's for our best interest. Would you agree?

Joe Vitale 8:55
It's an interesting question. There's a couple of different ways to look at this. One is, I think there's something that I'll call a divine delay. And that divine delay is because some things do take a little time to create. My example is, if you wanted a, I don't know if you wanted a mustard tree, and I put a mustard seed in your hand and said, Okay, manifest the mustard tree. Well, you're going to have to plan it. You're going to have to water it. You're going to have to clean any weeds around it. You're going to have to focus on it, and in due time, through the natural process, you will get your mustard tree. But it won't be instantaneous most of the time. However, I would think that the delays in our manifestations are due to us, not to the divine. They are due to our own beliefs about what's possible. The first thing to consider is, most of us have 50 to 100,000 thoughts a day. That's what science is saying. And I don't know who's sitting there counting the thoughts, but they're saying we have 50 to 1000 or more. You. The thing is, most of them are negative, most of them are critical, most of them are skeptical, and most of them are the same thought. So imagine somebody that is watching or listening to us right now says, I'm going to manifest $5,000 of unexpected income, and they hold the vision, and they add emotion, and they're repeating it, but then all of a sudden they start going, this is never going to happen. This doesn't happen to anybody. This happens to everybody else. It happens to Alex. It happens to Dr Joe. Doesn't happen to me. Now, where's the $5,000 anyway? There isn't any $5,000 out there, and the economy sucks, and we go right into the 50,000 thoughts of negativity. And what did we do with our one thought of positivity. We crushed it, we crippled it, we destroyed it. So a lot of the delay has nothing to do with divinity or the universe. It has to do with us. Very often we are stating what we want and vetoing what we want in the very next breath, and we, ironically, spend a whole lot more time crushing our joy than we do enforcing our joy. We spend far more time saying what won't work and what we don't want than in saying what we do want. So some of the delay to me is obvious. I wouldn't blame it on the divine. I'd say, look at your own beliefs.

Alex Ferrari 11:24
So what is the most common misconceptions people have about manifesting and, you know, the law of attraction. And to be honest with you, that the term a law of attraction is a law. But I think with the secret which you were a part of it, it kind of glazed over the surface of what it was. And there was a lot of things in that movie. It started the conversation. It was definitely not the end of the conversation. Would you agree with that?

Joe Vitale 11:51
Absolutely. I have defended the movie for 20 years. I would tell people to go watch the movie, whether I was in it or not. I think it's a great movie. I think it introduced the key concept, but it was not the be all and end all. I tell people, it wasn't the graduate course in the art of manifestation. It was an introduction to one idea, just one and that was a law of attraction. And I didn't even deep dive into that. But none of that is a criticism. It's like, I'm grateful thank you for the secret Rhonda. Thank you for having me in it. And if somebody hasn't seen it, please go see it. If you haven't seen it in a while, go watch it again. But it's not deep enough, as you're pointing out. It's talking about the power of the mind and the power of focused thought wonder. But what we have to look at is what's below the conscious mind. You can consciously sit there and think, I'm going to attract my soulmate, I'm going to attract money, I'm going to attract help. You can do that all day long and not attract any of it, because you have to go into the operating system of the mind, which I refer to as the subconscious. Some people call it the unconscious. I actually think there's different levels there, but there's an operating software system that is your belief system. Partly you inherited it, partly you created it. But it's operating right now in the background. So consciously you're like at the keyboard, typing in all these things you want, but in the background and your subconscious mind is the operating system that might be saying, You ain't getting this you're not getting that intention for a whole lot of reasons that you're not consciously thinking about. So the first thing that we have to look at the deep dive is what's in the subconscious mind. This is where a good coach can come in handy, or good mentor. This is where doing the inner work, journaling, all the different bells and whistles you've probably talked about, and know as an expert, so all of that is out there, and then we have to look at the emotion, because we don't create without emotion. Most of us are focused on what we hate or what we fear, and as a result, we get more to hate and more to fear. The movie didn't talk about that. The Law of Attraction junkies don't talk about that. But that's what you need to look at, is what you are believing subconsciously, and what you're fueling with emotion, probably subconsciously as well. And then again, we want to awaken to this process, which is a fairly simple, expected, scientifically backed up process on how to create your reality by refocusing on what you want and clearing up what I call the counter intentions in the subconscious. So that's a mouthful, but again, I'm grateful for the secret. Go watch the secret. Praise the secret. But we have to go beyond

Alex Ferrari 14:37
So it's fast. It's fascinating with me and manifestation. I mean, the secret was my entry, like many people, especially of a certain age and a certain generation, the secret was, I mean, it was being sold in Costco. I remember it in Costco. That's how big it got to like Costco had it. And I was like, holy cow, this is amazing. And it was being referenced on, you know. And pop culture and things like that, because it really did hit the zeitgeist. So when I started to try to manifest myself, I realized, and this is just me, and I love to hear what you think of it. When I would focus heavily on something and I really wanted it, and I would think about it again and again and again and again, it wouldn't come very quickly, only when I and I could never figure out how to do it again, only when I put only when I put it out there and let it go, really let it go. That's when it happened. And the best example of that is I was on, I was kind of like on a walkabout in Mexico by myself. I went to Mexico, went to Chichen Itza, and I did all this stuff on myself. Wanted a vacation from work, and when I was flying back, it'd been three years since I'd broken up with my former girlfriend, and I said, I just put out in the universe. And this is, I think, before the secret, if I'm not mistaken, it might be before the secret. So it was just something that I just did, and that later on, I figured out I just said in the airplane, flying home, I said, you know, God, it'd be nice if I could find someone who loved me and I can love her back. That was it. That was the end of the conversation. Three weeks later, I met my wife, and I'm so and lovingly still with her to this day. So it was, it was, but it was kind of like this. Let go thing. I manifested a car that I wanted once that was impossible to get. And I again, throw away idea. Do do you understand, like, how what's working here? And if you can, if you could tell me how to do it more often, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Joe Vitale 16:38
I can't. First of all you, you have actually discovered the secret to manifesting at an accelerated rate. I'm pausing there. This is something I wrote about in my book, The Attractor Factor. And my book The Attractor Factor is what got me introduced and invited to be in the movie The Secret. So this concept goes back 30 years or more for me personally, and it concept of letting go. You can have whatever you want as long as you don't actually need it. Because when you're desperate for something, you're sending out, here's that unconscious belief and the unconscious emotion, a sense of desperation. You're sending out this belief, this probably isn't going to work. So please show me. Show me, show me. Show me, show me. You know, there's too much of that desperate feeling of I gotta have it, which is actually And ironically, what's pushing it away. I learned a long time ago that if you can phrase your request much like you just did when your example of finding your wife, the woman that became your wife, in a sense of, wouldn't it be cool if you take off the demand, you take off the plea, you take off the knee, you Take off the attachment, you take off the desperation. There's a sense of play, there's a sense of trust. Wouldn't it be cool if I discovered the woman or the man who becomes my soulmate? Wouldn't it be cool if I find the publisher for my next book that gives me the greatest advance of all time? I have a movie completed right now, called Zero limits. Wouldn't it be cool if my movie zero limits ends up being bigger than the secret ever has been? Do you notice in how I'm phrasing this and how I'm saying this? It's not life or death. It is not desperation, it is not addiction, it is not attachment. There is what you called let go. The fifth step in my book, The Attractor Factor is let go while taking inspired action. That means you let go of your need for things to be a particular way, but you take action on whatever the opportunities are that show up, or the intuitions and inspirations that show up internally, because they can take you to your your polite intention without any sort of desperation or this addiction or system to make it happen. So letting know that's the secret to manifesting whatever you want at an accelerating rate.

Alex Ferrari 19:26
How do you do that? Because that's good, though. That's good because, because the thing is, when I try to do it like I said, like, I really like to, you know, get this car something, let's say something physical, like that, something material and but you're so right when I would do it like, Oh, I really want this. I really want that. Especially as a younger man, I was like, I really want this. I really want this to happen. And because of that desperation, which, as a filmmaker, we're born with, desperation. Uh, filmmakers are born desperate, because as an artist, we were just like so desperate to get seen, or get the movie made, or get the budget and all that stuff. So I have desperation running all through me all the time back in those days. But that thing was kind of like a throwaway because I was so kind of almost defeated by by the whole dating thing, that I was just like, ah, wouldn't it be nice if I find some we gave up, I gave up, and that was but that was letting go. I completely hard to do that on call like that.

Joe Vitale 20:36
Yeah, you're Alex. You're so good at these questions. This this is really priceless for people. So I'm glad that you're really digging here, because I imagine, you know, viewers and listeners, they got the same kind of question. It's like, okay, Joe, I believe you I have to let go. How do I let go if I want it? Yeah, that's what I usually ask me, is, how do I let go of something I actually do want? Couple things have to happen. One is, you're going to have to play on faith. You're going to have to lean on faith. Most of the time. We don't have faith. We don't believe it's actually going to happen. And so there's where that desperation starts coming in. But if you have faith, this is actually going to work out somehow, someway, then you're going to let go easier. The other thing I tell people, and this is also in my book, The Attractor Factor, is, whenever you state your intention, you always say at the end of it, this or something better, this or something better. So I intend to attract more sales, 30% more sales by the end of next month, this or something better, the this or something better leads you into letting go of your demand, because this or something better is implying that, well, the universe might know something better than me. I've gone through the whole car thing. I'm a car guy one time, one time I had 11 cars. I mean, I was, I had been homeless, so I was making up for it by attracting all these different cars. So I know what it's like to do all of that, but I also realized that sometimes the car I really thought I wanted wasn't the car that was actually going to make my heart beat faster and make put a spring in my step, because I didn't know the car existed. When I said I want this particular car or something better, I allowed the universe, the divine, the cosmos God, whatever you want to call it higher power, to lead me to a car that I didn't even know existed, which I ended up finding and I ended up getting, and I ended up being orgasmically happy during the entire time I had that car, but I didn't know the car existed. So instead of saying, I want this car and have to have this car and I need this car by tomorrow, tomorrow, whenever putting all the demands on it, I said, I would love to have this car or something better. There was something better. I've learned to do that with everything so that waters down the desperation. It's more like, okay, I can be comfortable knowing Something's coming. It's either going to be it or it should be something better. The other thing is, you learn to trust the universe. Now, when I was homeless and I was going in poverty, but I was trying to manifest my own reality, there was very little trust because I was suffering so much and thinking this might not work, or this might not work for me, or I might die unknown and unpublished and in the street, in the gutter, on a park bench. But now I'm in my 70s. I've done this a lot. I can go. I would like to have this or something better and let go because this or something better is coming, I've learned to trust the process,

Alex Ferrari 23:48
And that is something so important, and I want, I want to kind of dig into it a little bit more as well. Is the trust in the universe better? Because as as you know, you've walked, you walked around this planet for a few years. As I have, I and as you get older, you start to look back and going, my God, thank God I didn't date that person, or thank God I didn't get that job. Or thank God I got fired from that job, even though, at the time, it was the worst thing, but the universe had something better for me, and that trust in the universe and understanding that it has it your best intentions in mind, even if it's painful, that's the other big thing that people have to understand. Even if it's something that's painful, you might have to go through that, but you won't see the blessing in that pain for maybe, maybe decades from now until you really realize it, but you have to have that faith and that trust that this is part of the process. And some of my greatest, some of my greatest wins in life, have come from my greatest failures, and the lessons I learned from those great failures, so I really it. If you could dig in a little bit deeper into the trusting of the universe, because it's such a big lesson for people to understand, and it is a big part of manifestation manifesting,

Joe Vitale 25:09
It is a big part of manifestation. And I think the first level of learning to trust is to stop and make a list of what you're grateful for in this moment. First of all, we're given so much. It's staggering. It's even astonishing. I talked about history earlier, and a lot of people talk about how kings and queens lived in the past. You and I and most of the people watching or listening are living far better than the kings and queens of the past. They didn't have air conditioning, they didn't have heat, they didn't have running water, they didn't have toilets, they didn't have Amazon or Uber or Lyft or any of the things that we take for granted right now. So we are already in a position where we should be in a state of awe because of what we are given. But there's also what we're given that's typically unseen and unrecognized, and that's things like air you're breathing, I'm breathing, people watching, listening, they're all breathing. None of us are paying for the oxygen. None of us are thinking about the oxygen, where in the world is the oxygen coming from. It's taking care of us. And then there's deeper concepts that were discovered by scientists, like gravity. I'm not floating out of my chair, and neither are you because of something called gravity, which is another gift holding me here right now and then, if I go inside, it's like I'm in my 70s. You know? I'm in my 70s, and I just started mixed martial arts. I got my white belt, and I got my gold belt. I got my gold tip. I'm being tested for the orange and I'm going for my black belt by age 75 that is like one of the intentions Joe has put out into the world. How am I able to do that? The brain is working, the body is working, the muscles are working, the heart is working. I'm not making any of that happen, and so I have to pause and go. What power is taking care of me at this degree that I don't typically pause to acknowledge. And I'm pretty sure, until we start pointing it out, nobody watching, nobody listening, has acknowledged that. They're all focused on, okay? I'm listening to Alex's. I want to find out what how I can get my car or my spouse or my health or my money or my job or the list goes on. I think it all begins with looking at how you're already taken care of. When you look at how you're already taken care of, you're moved into the present. That's the only point of power we have, it's the present, and we're moved into gratitude, which is a high vibe, feeling right there. And we're moved into recognizing that something is behind it all. Even Einstein had just recently read a book about him, I think he said, I am part of divinity, was the title of the book, and it's one of the things he said he's recognizing, as a scientist, some intelligence is behind all of this, taking care of us, that same intelligence is with us in every single moment, when I was in homelessness and I was in poverty, I did not know it. Did not recognize it. I was too angry, I was too confused, too skeptical, too desperate to notice it. Decades go by and I start looking back, going it was there all along. I wanted things to work out in a different way so I didn't recognize with gratitude and appreciation the way they were working out. I know I had worked for a big oil company back in the 80s. I guess 1980 I mean, we went through a layoff period. Everybody in the oil industry was I was in Houston back then, and it was kind of a moment of joy, because I realized I never liked the job. I wanted to be a writer, and I was doing the job to pay the survival bills, and at the same time, being laid off meant now on my home, I have now been thrown off the cliff. I have no plane, I have no wings. I don't know how to land, and that's terrifying. But of course, my whole life direction changed because of that in a positive way. I just didn't know it then. So I'm asking people, is my answer to your wonderful question to look at how you're already being taken care of, and I'm talking about the universal supply, not just that. Maybe you have a job and you should be grateful for that, or maybe you have a spouse, you should be grateful for that. But I'm talking about, how is this unseen hand already taking care of you? Because that unseen hand is always with you.

Alex Ferrari 29:52
Let me ask you, Joe, how? How can someone manifest from a place of purpose versus a place of ego? Because a lot. Of times that gets in the way people are like, all about the ego, and I'm like, I need this new suit because I gotta look good, or I need this new car because I gotta look good, or I need more money to impress people. That's all places of ego versus places of purpose. How can someone make that distinction?

Joe Vitale 30:16
That's another million dollar question. What I've learned over the years is that you want your purpose, your mission, your request, your intention, to serve you and at least three other people. That's my rule of thumb. If you can have your mission, your purpose, your intention, serve hundreds to 1000s to hundreds of 1000s to millions of people. Even better, I'm not one who says the ego is bad. I'm not one who says having your new suit is a bad thing. I mean, at the right place, the right time, having a new suit is what's going to give you the confidence to go out and ask for the date or go get the job or to get the speaking performance of your life. There's reasons to do it that some people might on the outside say, oh, it's all ego, but on the inside of that person, that's what's giving them their divine purpose in that moment. So I don't dismiss the ego, but I do think it's spiritually wealthier to have an intention that serves you and a few other people. This is something I learned from Jose Silva way back in the 1980s early 1990s he gave a talk in Houston. I was one of the beginning speakers who spoke right after him, which is another one of those. How did that happen then in the 90s, this is amazing to me. And he was on stage saying that having an intent that served himself was okay, but he looked for an intent, a goal, I think is the word he used that would influence him and three others that alone expanded the intention and made it more powerful and made it more spiritual. That would be my rule of thumb today.

Alex Ferrari 32:00
Now that's beautiful advice, by the way. I've really never thought about that. And if you start looking back at the times that things really did start manifesting for your for you and your life, a lot of times it's because it's doing a greater good, besides something outside of you, yes, which is very, very powerful. Now, I wanted to talk about something that not many people ever talk about when it comes to the law of attraction, or manifestation. Or manifestation in general, is the shadow side of the law of attraction or of manifestation? Is there any potential dangers in misusing this power of manifestation, law of attraction, to create harm in other people, or to really go into a level of ego that is all about, you know, like, there's billionaires in the world, many of them, I was saying, all are bad. Some are very, very good. But at a certain point, you know, it's like more and more and more and more and more and more and more. I gotta send, you know, a pop star up into space. I'm not saying who, but those kind of, those kind of, like, it's more and more like, at certain point, like, how much more do you need? Is there a shadow side to this? And how can we avoid those kind of pitfalls?

Joe Vitale 33:07
You know, Alex, I don't think I've ever been asked that question, and that is one of the most profound, beautiful, wise, deep questions that have been delivered to me. So that is a great gift. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The first thing is, yes, there is a shadow side to all of us. And I am. I was a friend of Debbie Ford's. I was a fan before I ever met her. I read her books. She wrote a great book everybody should read called the Dark Side of the light chasers. And as I say, I got to meet her, know her, love her. She is gone, but she left her work. And the dark side of the light chases chasers was about the shadow side of all those people who say, I'm doing good in the world and I want to do good in the world. This is where the ego that you brought up earlier kind of sneaks in and plays itself out without without our awareness because it's in the shadow. Other people might notice it, but we in our shadow don't notice it because it's coming out of the darkness. It's coming out of the side of us that we're blind to, the blind spot of our own psyche. So I think the answer is intense self awareness, intentions that affect three or more people, as we mentioned earlier. And I also think having a coach or a mentor, this is one of the most powerful things I discovered in my life. During the time I was homeless, during the time I was in poverty, I was living in the public library Dallas, Texas. So on one level, hey, I'm with books. This is a celebration. On another level, it sucked because there's no food, there's no car, there's no place to go. I got air conditioning, I got water and I got books, and I'm reading all those books and applying them to myself. But it wasn't until I actually had a coach that I got any breakthroughs, right? Reading the books, they do move you forward. And you can have a transformation. You can have an awakening, but usually it's a slower process. If you have a code somebody that holds a mirror up to you, you can have an awakening really quick. You can make progress really quick. And you can find the shadow self really quick, because somebody is helping you see it. So I think being aware of it, doing something about it, shining the light on it, and loving all of you are the important elements to transcending what could hold you back.

Alex Ferrari 35:35
It's really interesting that you said that, because, you know, I'm I'm a movie guy. So I always have movie references, and the best villains in a movie always have good intentions. They're just going about it the wrong way, right? That's the best villain, the villain that just twirls his mustache. Not real interesting, but a villain like Thanos from the Avengers or the Marvel Universe, he really was going after a very simple idea. You know, there's not enough resources out in the universe. That's his point of view. We need to wipe away 50% of every living thing, and that will solve the problem. He was truly trying to help the universe. It was just going about in a really rough way. So thinking about Thanos and His manifestation, let's go, let's go deep down this rabbit hole Thanos and His manifestation. In his point of view, his shadow side, didn't know, I didn't know that. He like, Dude, you're killing half of human, half of not humanity, of the universe, to achieve your goal. But in his conscious self, he's like, I'm trying to do good here. There's a problem. I'm trying to solve it. So it's very dangerous, because he, and maybe he was a little bit understood what he's doing. But many people will go down with these great intentions, but the subconscious is what's kind of driving those intentions, and that's where the shadow side lives. So is there a way for us to kind of focus like, Okay, what? What am I doing here? Am I? Am I Thanos? Am I trying to kill half the universe, right? Am I doing something for the greater good? Is there a way that we can kind of really identify that self, identify that within ourselves as we are moving along life.

Joe Vitale 37:23
Another juicy question there. Well, first of all, it's highly unlikely that anybody that would be watching or listening to your show is actually going to destroy half the universe for a good fair. I think we're pretty much covered there. But let's go slightly deeper. One of my all time favorite books is How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. I forget how many times I've read it, and every time I do, I get mad because I think it's a masterpiece. I want to write a masterpiece like that. Why didn't I write that book? But the book is a wake up call, because there's, there's at least one chapter in there, where he talks about all these evil people, these criminals and so forth. And he said none of them thought they were doing anything wrong, none of them, in their eyes, from their perspective, they had a rationale. They had a rationalization for what they did, and it made peace to them. And so from Dale Carnegie standpoint, it was to help you understand that whoever you're talking to, as crazy as they may sound to you, they don't sound crazy to themselves. How do you find out, though, if you're going to destroy half the world? I think it goes back to the mentoring, the coaching and maybe being in a mastermind again, one of the my favorite things to talk about, one of my favorite things to be in because you're in a group with the coach or mentor, you're with one other person. But in a mastermind, you could be with six people. You can be with a dozen or so. Usually it's about that somebody's going to call you out. It's like you're arming yourself to kill off your vendors because they haven't paid you. No, that's illegal. They'll get called out. Otherwise, I don't think it's worth diving into, because your audience isn't going there

Alex Ferrari 39:16
Fair enough. And one point that you brought up is so true, and Dale Cartman, he brought up is that nobody is the villain in their own movie, yeah, in their own movie. Even Darth Vader was like, No, I'm cool. I'm doing what I'm doing, like, because you if you are, if you're a villain, and you are, and you understand that you are the villain, well then you're now a psychopath or a sociopath. You're gone. You're gone. You know, Hannibal Lecter knew exactly who he was. He wasn't like he wasn't a hero in that that's, that's he's gone over the but a lot of villains don't understand that they're villainous unless, because in their story, they've made that story up in themselves. And I think to a lesser extent, we do the same thing, because we, and this is a great quote I forgot who said he goes, we are the. Hero in the villains of people's in people's, where guests appearance or a guest starring role as a villain and a hero in multiple people's lives, in our around us.

Joe Vitale 40:11
That makes sense. I don't remember that quote, or think I heard it. Where you're coming from.

Alex Ferrari 40:17
Yeah, like we are. I might be a hero on my own, but I'm, you know, if I cut somebody off and yell at them, I've become the villain in their story for that moment.

Joe Vitale 40:25
Yeah. So that's true. That's true of all of us. I'm thinking I have a fan base, but I'm pretty sure I haven't a negative fan base.

Alex Ferrari 40:33
Oh, we all do, sir. It's something called the Internet. It's called the yeah,

Joe Vitale 40:38
There's that, yes. I think our focus needs to be on doing what we believe is good, what we have to do, what we believe is our life mission. I actually believe that my life mission is to inspire people. It's to inspire people to go for their dreams. And I'm hoping that at the end of the show for me, that there's a little stone that says he inspired us. That's what I want to do. And at first I thought it would just be through books, and now it's I've written 90 some books. It's expanded into movies. Now I have my own movie coming out, speaking engagements of a musician. I've done it through my music. I'm inspiring people through all these different ways. That's what I think all of us, each of us, needs to do, find what it is that is your positive, spiritual, unique contribution, which doesn't have to be walking on water and curing cancer. It can be a great parent. It could be opening the bakery. It could make the best cupcakes, whatever it is for you do that, and you'll be expressing love in human form.

Alex Ferrari 41:41
Beautifully said, Sir, beautifully said. Now there's another thing, another area of your teachings, that is so powerful yet so simple. Hopo pono, Ono, Ono, I can never say it properly. Ho oponopono, yes. Hopo pono pono, which is this transformational phrase that is, I'm sorry, please forgive me. Thank you, and I love you. Can you explain the origins of what this is and how powerful it truly is to change people's lives so instantly,

Joe Vitale 42:15
This is the most remarkable, miraculous story, and I am so grateful that I was the one to bring it to the world. And it is the essence of my movie that is about how upon a pono, and it's called Zero limits. I had heard a story that I thought was preposterous, that it had to be the the worst of fiction, and I heard it around 2004 and it was a story about a therapist who helped heal an entire ward of mentally ill criminals at a state hospital in Hawaii, and he healed them by working on himself. And the story went on to say he didn't actually do any traditional therapy with any of the patients. He just kind of mumbled this Hawaiian phrase to himself, and as a result, somehow the patients got better. And I'm like, I'm pretty open minded, but I didn't believe it. It just sounded like an urban legend. But I heard the story a couple more times, and way back then, there was nothing on the internet, no books about it, no name of the guy, which made me even more suspicious about it. There was nothing to find. But I got curious enough and thought, if there's any truth to it, somebody needs to find out. Somebody needs to tell the world. Somebody needs to find out if this method could be used for me and you and everybody else, this could be the greatest contribution to mankind. So I went on a search. I even hired a private investigator to find the therapist. I did find him. I was living in Texas. He was in California at the time. Called him up, and he spent 45 minutes on the phone with me. We didn't know each other. He didn't know me. The movie, The Secret hadn't come out yet. He didn't know my book, so I was a stranger. And he said the story was true. He did work at the hospital for the mentally insane State Hospital in Hawaii. He did use, he did use a method called holopono. I didn't I couldn't pronounce it any more than you just did, and I couldn't spell it, and I didn't know you didn't make any sense at all to me. He said, I just did cleaning. And I'm like, what that? What cleaning? What are you doing? Anyway, he invited me to come to his next seminar, which I thought was the following weekend, and I got on a plane and went, and the rest was history, because I met him, he was this eccentric mystic. We developed a friendship, a partnership. I brought the first book to the masses, called Zero limits. I wrote three more after it, and I taught everybody, and he and I did three seminars together, teaching this whole upon a pono to the world. And even though there were several books and three seminars and now a movie at the essence, are just those four phrases that you had mentioned. I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. Those are the four phrases and you're saying that means. Inside yourself as you're feeling whatever the upset is. In his case, he was looking at mentally ill criminals, criminals who had to be shackled or sedated on a regular basis. It was a dangerous place, but he would look at the situation. He'd look at the records of those patients, and in himself to what he called his connection to the divine. He's saying, I love you, I'm sorry, please forgive me. Thank you. I love you. I'm sorry, please forgive me. Thank you. He said it was a kind of a prayer. It was a kind of a petition. It was a kind of a request. And what he's requesting at is his perceptions of what he was looking at be cleaned up. How oponopono is a Hawaiian word that means to make right. And what was he making right was his perceptions of what he was looking at. His perceptions being this is a tragedy. This is bad, this is awful, this is dangerous, this is crazy. All of that as he got to a place of peace within himself, saying the four phrases, this is where the miracle happened. The outer reflected the inner. Those patients started to get better. They didn't have to be shackled. They didn't have to be dated over time, many of them were pronounced as as as natural and normal, and they were released back into society, and over four years, virtually every one of them was released. I worked with the therapist. His name was Dr. Ehaleakula Hulin, Dr. Hulin for short. We wrote the first book together, did those seminars together. He has a little bit of an appearance in the movie, but he passed away a year and a half or so ago, but that's the most miraculous and easy technique, because you're changing the outer reality by changing your perception internally of what you are looking At in outer reality. It's deep.

Alex Ferrari 47:00
It's really powerful and insane, and it is by just saying those four words. Are you kind of just like focusing those energies in those four phrases towards the person, or is it something internal? How is it work?

Joe Vitale 47:14
Yeah, thank you for asking that, because we want to have that clarity. This is one of the biggest challenges for people, when they first hear about Ho oponopono, they think it's about changing other people or changing the situation, and it's not. It's entirely an inside job. You are changing your view of other people, your view of a situation, the way Doctor Who Len would say it that got everybody to laugh whenever he said it at events, he would say, Have you ever noticed when you have a problem, you are there. You are the common denominator. It's you and it's you looking at something and calling it a problem, we can take any example. In fact, I invite people watching or listening right now to think of something that's bothering them right now. It could be a frustration with a neighbor, with an employee, with a child, with a parent, and it could be some situation where they're trying to attract something and it's not working out. So I've got that sense of frustration, whatever it is, welcome it into your being right now. And the very first thing to realize is that it's not outside of you. You're experiencing it inside. You don't experience the problem outside of your body and mind. You experience it inside you. That's the problem, and what we do with Ho oponopono is we realize, okay, here's the problem. I don't know what caused it. I don't know where it came from. I don't need to know the beliefs. I don't need to know the story. All I know is something's disturbing me because I can feel it. Then as you're feeling it, realizing it's all in you, the outside is some sort of trigger for what's in you. You're saying these four phrases, and you're imagining you're saying them to divinity earlier, when I was going through all the things that we take for granted, and I'm saying there's something that's holding our hands and protecting us the whole time you're saying those four phrases to it. You can call it God, call it the cosmos. You can be an athlete, atheist, and say it's nature. It's a higher power. It's something like that, whatever you want to call it. There is something bigger than you. There is something bigger than you that is operating you, that is giving you life and will resolve this problem. So you're saying, Yeah, I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you to it kind of a prayer. You called it up on the telephone and you said, Look, I'm sorry. I don't know where this problem came from. I don't know what part of me participated in creating or attracting it, but please forgive me. The. As I didn't know what I was doing, I this is all unconscious to me. Thank you for resolving the problem. Thank you for healing me. Thank you for removing whatever was the trigger. I love you for this process. I love you for my life. I love you for this cleansing. I love you for taking care of this so it's gone forever. You can hang up. Those are the four phrases and why you're saying them and to what you're saying, you virtually never say them out loud. You virtually never say them to another person, because, again, this is the hard part for people. You're taking polar responsibility. Problem isn't outside. Yeah, you want to blame your mother, or you want to blame your spouse or you want to blame the neighbor, you want to blame the vendor, you want to blame the critic or the reviewer, any number of things, but know what you're feeling and attributing to them is in you. That's what you focus on and clear up and heal. And when you do the outer will you go not bother you, or will just go away?

Alex Ferrari 51:07
Interesting. So if you have, if you have, let's say you have a relationship with someone who's wronged you in a deep way, stole something, cheated on your you know whatever 1000 pick your poison, and you know that anger in it lives in you. It lives nowhere else other than in you, right? So, you know, a lot of times people are saying, Oh, you gotta let go of it. You gotta have to let go of it. You can't keep carrying that around with you. It's easier said than done for a lot of people, especially if someone's really wronged you in a deep, deep, deep way. You know, we could talk about childhood trauma, abnormal traumas. Pst, PTSD, 1000 different things, but all of that, the common denominator, as you were saying, is you, you are there. Yeah, so you're saying that you can't. It's not even about forgiving the other person because the other It's about allowing you to explain that to me. It's allowing you to forgive yourself for feeling that way. Can you? Can you dig into that a little bit?

Joe Vitale 52:14
Yeah, I love that you picked on the the forgiveness topic, because that is huge. I think it was Wayne Dyer, who said, if there was any block anywhere in your life for any reason, it's usually a lack of forgiveness, and it's usually a lack of forgiveness to yourself, somehow you have not released your own self judgment. But certainly we can all relate to somebody sometime that has hurt us, offended us, did something that we haven't let go of. And yes, we have all heard just let go of it. I've said it, I've heard it, and most of the time that does nothing. You know, it actually adds to the frustration, because we're going, Yeah, I know I have to let go of it, but it's still here. What do I do? And so holopona pono, again, is that miraculous, simple, four phrase process that helps with the letting go again, pretending that you're talking to the Divine or God or the cosmos or source or infinite intelligence, call it whatever you like. There is this great something, as I've often called it, and you're saying, I'm sorry. I don't know where the beliefs are, how deep the hurt is, where the memories have come from. Why anybody would have done this, why I'm responding to this, why I'm still holding on to this. Please forgive me, because parts of me are doing this and I don't even understand what they are. Thank you for unraveling this for me, for removing the limiting beliefs, for cleaning up the story, my perception, my unconscious, my subconscious, and I love you for the healing. I love you for the process. I love you for the blessing. I love you from my life. I love you for Ho oponopono. I love you for disconnecting me from my perceptions of wrong, whether other people or of myself. So I'm ad libbing right now, a description of a way that this makes sense when you say the four phrases you typically don't have to elaborate. I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. Is the code phrases. Those are what you say to remove all of what we just talked about, but for purposes of demonstration, I kind of just ad libbed in the very spontaneous way, what that could mean when it came to a lack of forgiveness. We're looking at the lack of forgiveness is coming because, on a deep level, we have a story that we've created, and we're holding on to that. And a deep level, we have beliefs about this shouldn't happen to me or this, I shouldn't have done this, whatever it was. You know, on a deep level, we have attachment to all of this. We haven't let go of it, and we're continuously doing it, maybe just to punish ourselves. There's all kind of reasons for it. So when we say the four. Phrases of Ho oponopono. We're asking the divine to clean up the mess. We're saying I'm taking responsibility. It's all in me. I don't know how to unravel it. I don't know how to clean it up, clear it and remove it. But you do, God, so you I'm turning it over to you. Please take care of it. I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. That's where the magic happens.

Alex Ferrari 55:30
But Joe, how do you let go of the anger? Yeah, that you have. How do you let go of the anger? Because all of this sounds wonderful. I agree with you, and I think it would do a lot of good, but as you were saying that, I'm going into my head, I'm like but I'm angry, and I can't let go of the anger, because I feel it was, you know, me, either it's fresh, or it's something that is wronged me, or it's so deep that I can't let go of that anger. So is there any techniques or tips that you can give us on how to let go of the anger to truly work with hope upon a pono in a way that really does release this stuff inside of you because it's killing you. It really is. I get it.

Joe Vitale 56:11
Yeah, you take with Ho oponopono just to stick, stick with that as our theme, as our technique. Because there's lots of techniques. There's lots of different ways to do different things and accomplish it. You and I both know it. At this point, we've been around the block when it comes to different ways to do healing, but sticking with Ho oponopono. What I tell people is, you take what you are feeling, what's servicing for you. If it is anger, then you don't push the anger aside to work on oh, let's work on forgiveness. No, you take the anger. That's what's come up for the healing. And in fact, in my experience of doing Ho oponopono, which is about 25 years of doing it on a regular basis, including right now, because it's automatic in my brain, it's the background voice in my head, I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. If it's anger coming up, that's what's coming up for healing. And what I tell people. What I've discovered from doing this is the more you can focus on a precise feeling slash problem, the faster the results will be. So if somebody is feeling anger, because this is all brought up anger that we're talking we're talking about forgiveness, and if forgiveness somehow led to anger. We're now facing anger. God, that's fantastic. God, I am angry. I'm sorry for my anger. I feel it's justified, but I don't know how to let go of it. I don't know how to release it. I don't know what it entirely stems from. Yes, I have a story, blah, blah, blah happened, and I'm mad at that person over there, and I'm mad myself for being mad at that person over there. Please forgive me and my ancestors or my parents or whoever gave me the belief system that set up this scenario for me, because I'm I'm upset. Thank you for removing the anger, for removing the beliefs or removing the story, for cleaning up the programming from my parents, the epigenetics, the grandparents, all the way back to the beginning of time. I love you for helping me get back to love, to get back to peace, to get back to inner tranquility and inner serenity. Now, again, I've elaborated on what the four phrases would be, but if somebody was sitting there going, I'm really angry, you don't have to expand on it. You can just say, I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you while feeling the anger, and you would repeat it until you start to feel like sighing. It's going away. You feel it going away when you feel like there's more of an inner sense of peace. You can look for the outer confirmation. Because whoever wronged you might call you up and say, you know, I always wanted to apologize. Or they might call up and say, you know, I've owed you $10,000 for a long time. I'm sorry, and I have the money now, or there won't be anything, but you'll be okay with it, because you've released it, and now you have a healing and you can use the energy that was tied up with the anger and the lack of forgiveness, you can use the energy to create something else in your life that you prefer.

Alex Ferrari 59:24
Beautifully said, my friend. Beautifully said, Thank you for that. I think a lot of us are dealing with stuff

Joe Vitale 59:32
Human experience.

Alex Ferrari 59:34
Joe, I wanted to also ask you, we touched upon this at the very beginning of our conversation about the world right now. And I agree with you 100% this is the best. You know, we're living much better than kings and queens. I heard the other day that Einstein didn't have hot water like it was, like it we've only had hot water like hot showers. You. For, like, not that long. Like, it's, it's a newer thing, you know, it's under 100 years old, from what I understand,

Joe Vitale 1:00:07
Haven't heard that, that's good, that's really good to hear.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:10
Yeah, Einstein didn't have hot water. I was like, That, like, hot, like, a shower. Hot shower. So, um, it's pretty remarkable where we are in the world. And if you read, if you watch the news, or you read the news or anything like that, you're just going to go deeper down to spiral, because just fear. Fear, fear, fear, fear. If someone's watching right now and and is looking for, obviously, if they're watching this episode, they're watching the show, they're looking for alternatives to what the mainstream is talking about and all the fear and all that kind of stuff. What advice would you have for someone who is deathly afraid of world war three, deathly afraid of famine, definitely afraid of the economy crashing or or, you know, tidal waves or earthquakes, or whatever their whatever their boogeyman is. What advice would you give them if they are truly searching to be freed from this fear, and if they're watching this at the moment, I'm talking it's a sign from the universe saying, Listen up, because Joe's going to throw something out there. No pressure on you, sir.

Joe Vitale 1:01:13
No. Well, they're already in the right place, because they're already in the right direction. They're listening to you. They're watching you. They're listening to both of us, so they're already going in the right direction. What I've typically told people over the years is, when you quit turning on the mainstream news, it's called programming for a reason. It's programming you for doom and gloom and for fear and for hate and why? Because your brain is set to it's hardwired to be on alert for things that are a threat to your survival. So you will watch the news as long as it provides you threats to your survival. But you're doing it unconsciously, and they're feeding it now it becomes an addiction, and you gotta keep turning it on. So for the longest time I said turn the freaking thing off. What I say today is, feed your serenity, feed your serenity free. Feed your wisdom, feed your awareness. And what I mean by that is you're programming yourself by everything you watch, everything you hear, everything you say, everything you do, everything you eat, all of it. When I decided to be a musician 12 years ago, at the age of 60, it was on my bucket list. I decided I had to stand out from all musicians in the world. So I decided I was the world's first self help singer songwriter, because I realized the music that most people were listening to was programming them for negativity. They weren't even aware of it. I've often heard people say, I can't get what I want. And I'm thinking, you should thank you. Know Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones. He's been singing that to you since 1965 and we dance to it. We go, Oh, what a cool song. He's telling you you can't always get what you want.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:59
Listen to the Beatles. The Beatles are better.

Joe Vitale 1:03:02
Yes, you know, let it be.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:04
Let it be. Love is all we need. Love is all you need.

Joe Vitale 1:03:07
See, there you go. We can, we can pick and choose, but most of us don't. Most of us don't. We are very mindless about what we're listening to. So I'm saying feed the consciousness. Feed the awareness. Pay attention to what you're listening to, music wise. Pay attention to movies. You were talking about movies there. I love finding movies that are inspiring, that give me hope, about people that do what seems to be impossible, and then go ahead and do it. Watch the secret. Watch my new movie, zero limits that'll be coming out. Watch the things that nurture your soul. It's the same thing with reading. You have books behind me, like Autobiography of a Yogi or great Yogananda buddy over there, Napoleon Hill. In fact, I got a busted Napoleon Hill on that side, a bust of Yogananda on that side. Go read their stuff, and both of them have audios. Go listen to the audios that are remaining that was recorded during their lifetime. So I tell people to be conscious of what you're feeding yourself. Same thing with the people you are being around. We've heard numerous quotes from people who have said, your wealth, your well being, your health, is going to be the average of about the five people you hang around with the most well who are you hanging around with? If you got the water cooler gossip, the old stereotype that we think of out there, you're probably not going to be thinking in terms of positivity. You're going to be thinking in terms of dooming the loom. So be aware of all of this, what you're listening to, what you're feeding yourself, what you're thinking about, what you're watching, hearing. You know, the list goes on.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:40
Now I'm going to ask you, Joe, a few questions to ask all of my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Joe Vitale 1:04:49
Living a fulfilled life, I believe that goes back to living your particular mission on earth. I think each of us was given an assignment, and when. You live your assignment. You are living your fulfilled life unique to you.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:06
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to Little Joe, what advice would you give him?

Joe Vitale 1:05:10
I'd say, relax, brother. It's got to work out in the most staggering way. You have no idea how great it's going to be

Alex Ferrari 1:05:21
Now what advice would Little Joe give you?

Joe Vitale 1:05:23
What advice would Little Joe give me? Little Joe would probably say, Don't forget your other big dreams. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. I didn't know I'd say that.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:40
How do you define God or Source?

Joe Vitale 1:05:44
Yeah, how do I define God or Source? Napoleon Hill called it infinite intelligence. I think this infinite intelligence is animating the entire universe, the universe being more than just the planet and meaning more than just you, and meaning more than just me, it is animating all of us. We are like the 3d stage production of infinite intelligence, desire to experience itself. So Infinite Intelligence is everything. It is unlimited. It is intelligent and it is loving. What is love? What is love? It's the unconditional positive regard for whatever is in the moment.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:36
And if you could ask God or source one question, what would it be?

Joe Vitale 1:06:40
How come you gave Dale Carnegie that great book and not me?

Alex Ferrari 1:06:44
It was his soul contract, sir. It was his part of his soul. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Joe Vitale 1:06:56
The ultimate purpose of life is to awaken and what we're awakening to is our divinity. It's like the divine came in, went to sleep, started to experience the 3d stage play. And the stage play is oriented in such a way that it will trigger an awakening. And when it awakens, it'll go, Oh, that was the purpose of all along.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:17
And I love that. I love that answer, because when you were saying it, the thing that popped into my mind was The Truman Show, yes, the perfect example of a human soul awakening.

Joe Vitale 1:07:30
Yeah, I'm a movie guy too, so I like that.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:33
That's a beautiful film, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world Joe?

Joe Vitale 1:07:38
Well, I'm not hiding so I'm all over the internet. The best thing probably is to follow me on social media. I'm very active on Instagram and Facebook. Dr, Joe Vitale, D, R, Joe Vitale V, I, T, A, L, E, and my movie, zero limits is coming out. Go to zerolimitsmovie.com and you can watch the trailer right now, zerolimitsmovie.com, my coaching program, they mentioned how powerful it is. I started it 20 some years ago. Go to miracles coaching.com, miracles coaching.com, and if you don't mind me giving out a little for sale item, I have a $3 offer three of my best programs, including money, love, speed, the missing secret, and I forget what the third one is, but they're all at zero limits. Method.com zero limits. Method.com $3 for about $3,000 worth of goodies. So that's how I would answer that.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:39
And sir, do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Joe Vitale 1:08:43
You're so good at this. You have great questions, great energy, and you're very present. Thank you. You know, before you started the interview, you acknowledged our mutual love for Yogananda, who was the author of the book that's behind me, and his bust is over there behind me, and he had this one line that I've been using on a daily basis, and this is what I would advise people. The one line is, learn to be secretly happy. Despite all circumstances, learn to be secretly happy doesn't mean that you're laughing and boisterous and silly when there's a car wreck, but it does mean inside yourself, you're like, I'm okay. I know this is part of the motion picture of life. I can be secretly happy.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:36
There you go. Beautifully, beautifully. Said Sir Joe, it's been such a pleasure having you back on the show in this conversation, I hope will help a lot of people who watch it. And I hope they watch your new film. I hope they head over to next level, soul.tv to check out your show as well. The Attractor Factor that we have so blessed to have, and I'm just such a fan of what you've been doing over the years. My friends. Thank you again for everything you're doing to help awaken this planet, my friend. Thank you.

Joe Vitale 1:10:02
Thank you. It's been an honor. I've greatly enjoyed it. Your questions and energy are just profound. You're doing great stuff. Godspeed to You and everybody watching or listening.