RA’s The Law of One with Jim McCarty

Jim McCarty 0:00
Everything that we see around us is part of the Creator. It is, in fact, the creator, because the Creator made all of the Creation out of itself through the free will and the love being focused through by free will to focus into Light in the Light is what creates everything around.

Alex Ferrari 0:18
Can you explain where humanity's consciousness currently stands in regards to the grand scope of our evolution as a collective.

Jim McCarty 0:26
Well, our consciousness is at the third density, and we are still within the veil of forgetting. Our consciousness only expands beyond that when we discover that we are spiritual seeker, that there's more to life than merely the mundane consensus reality around us, and we discover that we have more heart, more love, more unconditional love, not only for ourselves, but for others around us.

Alex Ferrari 1:00
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show Jim McCarty, how you doing, Jim?

Jim McCarty 1:24
I'm doing well. Been a good start to my day outside, doing a little gardening.

Alex Ferrari 1:28
Oh so fantastic, my friend. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm really looking forward to our conversation. I've spoken to a few people in regards to the Law of One and RA, but your take on it is very interesting, and you've been doing it for a couple of minutes now, you've been working just a little bit. So my first question to you is, who or what exactly was RA?

Jim McCarty 1:55
Well, apparently they were what they called a social memory complex, which is a group of people from a planet. In their case, it was Venus that had decided to look more into the nature of their life, to see a spiritual aspect to it, something that isn't common to most people when they are in the third density, as we are here on planet Earth. So as they were able to discover more about this, they felt that there was a type of creator, or what they call the one great original thought of love, that had created the entire creation, and it had done so in an octave of densities, one through eight, and in the third density, if we are able to discover that we are part of that great creation and decide to serve it in a positive way, of serving others, rather than ourself, and is it possible to graduate into the fourth density of love and understanding where there is no longer what they call a veil of forgetting that is between our conscious and subconscious minds. And in this third density, that veil of forgetting allows us to have just that little bit of knowledge that something else is going on before we incarnate. We know all of that. But we don't know it afterwards, because when there was no veil of forgetting, millions of years ago, third density entities had to repeat the third density time and time again, because they saw that they were the Creator, that everything was the creator. So there was no reason to move either out of fear or love. So the logo at that time, decided to get together and find a way to help the progress of evolution speed up so they could make these choices. And so they put the veil of forgetting between the conscious and subconscious mind. So we have that there before we incarnate and afterwards. But before we incarnate, we don't have there before we incarnate. I was wrong. We see it all. But in order to make that choice, we have that little knowing within our spirit, within our soul, that there is more to this life. And then eventually, while we are incarnate, we discover that some of the choices we made to live and serve others during the Incarnation would be effective in helping us to what rock called polarize our consciousness in the positive polarity. Now there's also the possibility of entities polarizing negatively. So there are two paths that last for a period of time, up until the beginning of this Extensity, so that the Creator can know itself through every choice all of us ever make in any incarnation. And that helps the Creator to know more about itself. And that seems to be the whole reason for the creation to help the Creator to know more about itself. And as we do that, we. Also know about ourselves and the creator. So it is a trading of energies back and forth. So that this you might see it as a battery on a car with both poles in operation, the positive, negative, then you can go somewhere. If you don't have a polarity, you don't go anywhere.

Alex Ferrari 5:19
So Jim, when you're saying the veil of forget forgetfulness, if you will, is that what lifts from the spiritual masters, the Ascended Masters, the walking masters, when they finally understand, oh, they completely remember, and they remember at such a deep level that they don't have to incarnate anymore. That's hence the Ascended Masters. The Jesus is the Buddhas. The Yogananda is the Saint germains, these kind of souls,

Jim McCarty 5:48
Yes, within any incarnation, it is possible to have this feeling of realization enlightenment. There's lots of different name for it in different cultures, and many of those, such as Jesus and Buddha and Yogananda had those experiences. So that is beyond that is the work of the adept. Here. What we want to do is just make it into the next density. Supposedly, now there are other entities that RA called wanderers, that have already made it into the higher densities, the fourth density of love and understanding, the fifth density of wisdom and the sixth density of the blending and balancing of love and wisdom. And they come back here. They're called the brothers and sisters of sorrow. And what they hear as sorrow on our planet is the disparity, the anger, the frustration and the separation between people on planet Earth and most third density planets, because they don't know that we are all one. We are all the Creator, and we are here to serve each other or the self,

Alex Ferrari 6:49
And now and that, and that's where the term the Law of One comes from, right, right? So let me ask you, then let's go back a little bit with Ra my understanding, as well as Ra, had a connection to the Egyptian civilization. Is that correct or incorrect?

Jim McCarty 7:07
That's correct. About 11,000 years ago, they felt that the Egyptians had moved far enough in their spiritual journeys that they could walk amongst them in the physical. And they had to create bodies because in the sixth density, where Ra exists, they have become light itself, which is one of the major features of the creation. The Creator is intelligent infinity. And by deciding to know itself, it is exercise free will. And that free will functions by creating love and focusing that free will through love creates light, and light is what everything in the universe is made out of, photons vibrating at various angles and speeds of rotation. So Ra felt that the Egyptians had gotten to a point of understanding their spiritual journey, that there was more to life than what most people see now. They walked amongst them for a certain period of time, but they discovered that their message of the unity of love and light had been distorted by most of the Egyptians. They wanted to reserve the rich and the powerful. Wanted to reserve that information for themselves. So they felt that they had made a mistake, and at that time, they decided to leave the Egyptians, and just wanted to try to make reparations for that mistake. So throughout the years, there were various people on planet earth that would receive dreams that would be given to them by Ra and that would hopefully awaken them to their spiritual journeys. Many of these people were wanderers, and some point, the Ra entities, the social memory complex, which eventually, when they graduated from Venus, there were about 32,000,000 3rd density beings, but only six one half million were able to see this creator within everyone and to polarize positively. So those six one and a half million entities then began to look for a way to make reparations for what their naivete is. What they called it. They thought that just because the Egyptians had the general feeling of pantheism, that there was life of a higher form in all things, that they could go and walk amongst them. But because they were used their information, the Egyptians use their information to serve themselves. Then they wanted to find others to help them serve everyone. So it just so happened that on January 15, 1981, Carla and Don were helping a student from their Sunday night meditation learn how to channel and I was out shopping at that time, so I wasn't there. But. At one point, Carla received a contact from a source she didn't understand. At that time, she was only channeling from those of the ton of the fourth density of love and then those of la tuya, the fifth entity of under of wisdom. So she didn't know who this Ra was, so she channeled them or challenged them three times in the name of Jesus Christ, because when she was a young child, she had experiences with Jesus in her magic garden when she was two years old, and so she became a disciple of Jesus at that time. So her way of determining who she had on the line, you might say, was to challenge them in the name of Jesus Christ. She said, Do you come in the name of Jesus Christ? Can you say that he is the Lord? And she challenged him three times. So that was the only time she got to challenge them, because after that, every session with RA was in the trance state and she was not in her body. So that first time gave her the opportunity to make that challenge, to know who she had on the line. And so Ra gave us a ritual when she was in trance and in the Ra room that we could use to serve as the same thing as the challenge that was walking the circle of one. When Don and I would walk around and say, Why are we here? We seek the Law of One who's Ra? They have the Law of One to share. And so is walk that circle, and that provided that same shield of light to protect them from any negative entities that might want to take their her power, the power of the contact, and use it for themselves.

Alex Ferrari 11:29
So when you're speaking of Don and car and Carol, these are chan with Carol car Excuse me Carol, Carla. Carla. Carla was a channel, essentially, and was channeling all the Ra material. So all the Ra material that we are, that we understand as today, in a more modern term, came from these channelings?

Jim McCarty 11:52
Yes, there were 106 of them.

Alex Ferrari 11:55
So it's almost, it's almost like what Edgar Cayce was doing separately. He was, he was, he was channeling the Akashic records and doing a lot of other things, but basically a large like the Seth materials, like a large amount of material that comes in through one channel, and I'm assuming all of it was recorded and written down and released eventually,

Jim McCarty 12:15
right? Yeah, we have it now. It's called the Ra contact, and it's in two different volumes and all together, there's, like I said, 106 sessions, and I believe there's 360,000 words altogether.

Alex Ferrari 12:31
Good Lord, that's a lot of channeling. Oh yeah, that's a lot of channeling. Before we continue down with with Ra material, I just want to go back one more one more time. So the Egyptians. Was the first time that ra made contact with humanity, or did he contact? I'm assuming the Atlanteans were supposedly more advanced spiritually than we were even the Egyptians. What we saw the Egyptians were left over possible, you know, energies or knowledge from the Atlantean times, or older cycles even farther back in humanity. We could talk a little bit about the Yuga cycles and where we're at and all that stuff later. But is this the first time that he contacted or they contacted humanity?

Jim McCarty 13:15
Yes, there were other six density, social memory complexes that contacted those in Atlantis, we don't know their name, and there was also a group in South America that was contacted by a third group of six density social memory complex.

Alex Ferrari 13:33
So Ra spoke often in extremely complex terms. Was that intentional to preserve free will or or limitation of our language and processing power in our own little minds.

Jim McCarty 13:47
That just was the way that Ra spoke. They were very precise, occasionally rather dense, and a lot of people have mentioned over the years that they really didn't understand what Ra was saying. Here and there they could catch a glimpse of it. So Carla in 2006 wrote a book called Living The Law of One 101, the choice. And the reason she wrote it was to make it easier for anybody to understand what Ra was talking about. So if anybody has a problem reading it, I would suggest reading living law of 1 101, the choice.

Alex Ferrari 14:22
So Jim, why did Ra pick Don Carla and yourself as kind of stewards of this information to come in at this time to humanity?

Jim McCarty 14:34
We really don't know. They did tell us that we had worked together in many other incarnations to be of service to people on in the third density, in healing, giving inspirational information. But they didn't give us a specific reason. We just felt blessed that they did choose us. We knew that there had to be in any. Channeling session, there had to be three people to universalize the message and to provide a type of metaphysical or spiritual protection to everyone in the group, especially the one serving his channel, because there are negatively oriented entities that are just as much the creators anyone else, but the way they perform their service is to try to take your light and put out your light. So we have to have that kind of protection, and we were just fortunate to have the three at that time. But like I said, I wasn't the third one there. I was out shopping for groceries.

Alex Ferrari 15:35
Now, is there anything in hindsight, and is there anything that you wish, or someone would that you wish that would have been asked of Ra that was not asked like, oh, I had this one other question, because I'm assuming that contact, you know, that that channeling was that there was a small, a short period of time, and it's not something you kind of go back into. You can't just call up Ra now and go, Hey, Ra, what do you think of the stock market right now? Should I invest in, you know?

Jim McCarty 16:02
Yeah, well, I wish we could, and I wish I could give another question. We asked 2600 questions, and that's more than I could have thought of. Don was an extremely intelligent human being, and he'd been investigating UFOs and extraterrestrial contact for 25 years before we ever met him. And he was also a professor of physics at the University of Louisville. So he came from, you might say, a logical, intellectual point of view and also a spiritual point of view. And he had a lot of experiences that he had regressed over 200 people to determine for himself that reincarnation was the way things work. So he came up with most of the questions. And many times he would come up with questions. We had a meditation together in the living room before he went into the Ra room to have the Ra contact. And questions would come to him there, and during the contact, if he asked one of those questions, Ra would frequently give him an answer that he didn't expect, and he would take off in another direction. So their answers were like, you know, and I mentioned, were multi layered, and so he would go off in another direction for a while. Would be a whole lot more questions.

Alex Ferrari 17:13
That's, it's fascinating. You mentioned a bit of a cycle. We talked a little bit about cycles. Humanity cycles, right, right now, everything seems to be a bit up in the air, a little bit, little bit wonky in the world. Can you explain to people what your understanding is of the cycles I as I know them, as the yuga cycles of humanity, that kind of we, we start enlightened or closer to remembering all the way down to the Dark Ages, is where we're completely lost and furthest away from it. And then we kind of come back on. And it's a cycle that we constantly go through every you know, 25,000 24,000 something like that years. And if What's your understanding. And what did RA Talk about it? Has he ever mentioned anything in regards to those?

Jim McCarty 18:04
Yeah, they said that the third density was a length of time of 75,000 total years, the major cycle, the master cycle, that they were major cycles of 25,000 years, three of them. And at each time there was what you might call a time of harvest or graduation, that if the entities had been able to discover more about the nature of creation, that there was one Creator, that their purpose here was to either serve others or serve themselves, then at that time, they could also be harvested or graduated and make it into the fourth density of love and understanding, but if people didn't make it, then there was a second cycle, and then there was a third cycle. And most planets throughout Roz knowledge had all of this people, the spiritual beings on their planets, being able to be harvested at the end of three cycles. On planet Earth. We're hoping that's the case, but it looks like we are also populated with very many people who have not made the harvest for three full cycles on another third density planet. And so when you don't do that, you have to come back again to another third density planet and try again. And apparently, a great many of the population of our planet, according to Ra have had that situation that they're here now trying to Redis or to discover, like rediscover what they knew before they incarnated, that we are all one. We have a chance to become that one Infinite Creator, in some degree. If we are able to love and serve each other in the positive polarity, at least 51% of the time, just to point the needle, it doesn't have to be perfect. Now for negatively oriented entities, it has to be 95% of the time in order to separate yourself from others and to control others. It's a difficult path. So. So that's what's happening here on Earth. And we're hoping that through all of the discussions of difficulty and separation and craziness you might say that's happening on earth now, that there will be a desire at some point of everyone to make that choice one way or the other, and to point the needle positively or negatively,

Alex Ferrari 20:27
You mentioned that there were other planets that are the third dimensional planets, from what I understand from all of my research and conversations, the the Earth is a tough one, to say the least. It's a very tough school. But there are other third and anyone watching who is like, Oh my God, they're talking about aliens and other planets on a just logical standpoint. I don't I'm not talking about ETs anywhere. I'm just saying it's a logical standpoint. There should be life somewhere else in this universe. It's just too large for it not to be. But all these other planets, these third dimensional planets are there fourth dimensional, fifth dimensional and six dimensional planets. Or those are in a completely other realm, if you will,

Jim McCarty 21:08
Each galaxy and there are apparently an infinite number of galaxies in the creation, and that concept of infinity is kind of hard to put your head around. But in our galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy, there are 250 million stars like our Sun, and so around each star, there are usually a variety of levels of spiritual acceleration or progress, and most of them have a third density planet. Not all of them do, but most of them do so. There are infinite numbers, basically, of third density planets that have that 75,000 year period, in three cycles of 25,000 years to learn how to polarize their consciousness positively or negatively.

Alex Ferrari 21:56
So what happens to but there are fourth dimension or fifth dimension, six dimensional planets as well?

Jim McCarty 22:03
In all of the galaxies, in all of the minor galaxies. Yeah, they're everywhere.

Alex Ferrari 22:11
So what happens after the 75,000 year period? Because we've humanity has been around more than 75,000 years on this planet to our understanding just as a cycle. So it means that's like because the planet's so old, it's billions of years old. You know, we and we've been here for a blink of an eye, for God's sakes, what happens at the end of that 75,000 do we start it up again on this planet? Or is it is it all goodbye?

Jim McCarty 22:42
Ra said that for a certain period of time the third density would be put in, you might say, hibernation, because the new fourth density beings who have been able to graduate into the fourth density positive will be here on planet Earth, but they won't know yet how to make themselves invisible, so that if there were third density entities that were here and will be here, if they saw them, that they were advanced beings, then they would know that there was a spiritual path, and that is something that you need to discover for yourself. You can't have it just given to you. You can't have somebody teach you that you have to learn it. So at some point when the fourth density positive beings would learn how to make themselves invisible, then the third density cycle would begin again. And it probably has begun again, as you say, a number of times,

Alex Ferrari 23:35
A few, a few times, we've, we've, we've, this is not the first time at this rodeo, as they say, so. So for someone who is unfamiliar with anything regarding Ra and his teaching or their teachings, what is the law of one in the most distilled form? For someone who's absolutely a newbie to this,

Jim McCarty 23:57
Well, that basically that everything that we see around us is part of the Creator. It is, in fact, the creator, because the Creator made all of the Creation out of itself, as I mentioned earlier, through the free will and the love being focused through by free will to focus into Light in the Light is what creates everything around us. Our scientists know that everything around us is created a light, photons vibrating at various angles and speeds of rotation. So we are all one. Everything is one. Everything is the Creator. So that's the dissolation. We are all the Creator. Everything is the Creator.

Alex Ferrari 24:46
What is the significance of the service to others, which I know is a very big deal, you've mentioned it a few times in there for people are watching. Don't understand what that importance of serving service to others versus the service to self?

Jim McCarty 25:01
Well, Ra said that the Creator blinks neither at the light nor the dark, because both the light of service to others and the dark of service to self teaches the Creator more about itself, and that is the reason for the Creator making the creation wanting to know more about itself from the previous creation that had happened before. There's, I said there were these cycles of the densities. There are eight total. After the eighth one, we all condense into what's called the black hole, and then the whole process starts again. So the negative entities, though, have a shorter path to travel after they get into the fourth density of love and understanding, they think that the concept of the love of the Open Heart is foolish, so they continue on their path to try to control and separate others, and they get into the fifth density of wisdom and continue doing the same things. But when the sixth density comes around, the blending of love and wisdom, they have to see that not only the creator is what they thought of themselves, but the creator is everyone around them, and they cannot go any further in their own evolution unless they see that and change their polarity. And once they see that, they do change their polarity and become positively oriented entities. And so there are both positive and negative. They become one. And at the middle of the sixth density, the concept of polarity is no longer used. It's just like driving your car. It gets you to a certain point, and after that point, then it is no longer necessary, because shortly thereafter, the seventh density of foreverness is available to six density beings, and they move into that and when they are in the density of the seventh density of foreverness, there is a short period of time until they become one With the creator, the entire creation, everything in it coalesces into unity, and the whole process begins again after a period of what it rock called the first density of chaos, earth, wind, fire and water, blowing and burning incandescently until fire and water teach Earth to become a planet, to become viable, so that life may grow upon it. And at some point, then the plants and the animals in the second density evolve from the basic nature of the earth and the water being able to create the conditions for life. And in the second density, those beings of plants and animals, and mostly animals, have a chance to evolve in their own evolution. They are minds and they are bodies, but they are not yet spirits like we are. We are mind, body, spirit complexes here in the third density, so there is a chance for them to make it into the third density, when, through natural evolution, they are able to develop the spirit complex. Ra suggested that in our present incarnations, on third density here, that one of the most easily recognized way that this happens is our pets, when we give love to our pets in the way that they could give love back to us, we're forming a bond that allows the love in our heart to awaken the love in the spirit in their heart so they can become third density beings.

Alex Ferrari 28:35
Interesting, very interesting. Where are we? We're speaking a lot about densities, but RA has spoken about the density of consciousness. Can you explain where humanity's consciousness currently stands in regards to the grand scope of our evolution as a collective

Jim McCarty 28:54
Well, our consciousness is at the third density. We are still within the veil of forgetting, so our consciousness only expands beyond that when we discover that we are a spiritual seeker, that there's more to life than merely the mundane consensus reality around us, and we discover that we Have more, you might say, heart, more love, more unconditional love, not only for ourselves, but for others around us. And we want to be of service however we can. And so that consciousness is something that evolves for us to a certain point. But like I said earlier, there are some entities like Yogananda, like Jesus, like the Buddha and many others Shankara that have had those enlightening experiences. It can happen here on planet Earth to a third density, being not normally, but it does happen. We're all capable of it. Is what he's trying to say, right? Everyone is everyone is the Creator.

Alex Ferrari 29:58
Right. And it's kind of what Jesus was trying to say in his parables. You know, everything that I can do, you can do, and more, he was shown as an example of what can be.

Jim McCarty 30:10
Well, I think John 3.16, God so loved the world that He created Jesus so that he could show that life is eternal.

Alex Ferrari 30:22
Very much, according to Ra, what is the best way to accelerate a spiritual evolution in this incarnation?

Jim McCarty 30:32
Well, I think that the basic thing that they said is to try to see the creator and everyone and serve the creator and everyone. However you can. Doesn't have to be, you know, a big deal. You don't have to donate millions of dollars to people. You can help your neighbor shovel their walk, put bird seed out under the bird feeder, like I do for my neighbor across the street, help them with their groceries to get home. Maybe form a study group. Maybe work more consciously and assiduously towards discovering more of the nature that working together with others. You get the concept of two heads are better than one and three are better than two, that we can become small social movement complexes with spiritual goals, with each other. You might write a book like Harley did, there's just an infinite number of ways we can be of service. So just see the creator in everyone and do whatever you can at your level of understanding and desire to serve whoever you find around you.

Alex Ferrari 31:36
Jim, I have to ask you when this information started coming in. I assumed that you guys were all on board already with the whole channeling thing, which was not the coolest and most accepted thing back in the day, when, when rock came in. Was there ever a moment you questioned what was coming in? Or do you just said, This is insane? Like, are we going nuts? Here is Carla okay? Or was it all very kind of just like you just accepted it, and you felt it on a very deep level, that the information that was coming through was not only positive, but profound.

Jim McCarty 32:15
We had varying levels of experience with channeling. I had been with them. I lived in the woods of Central Kentucky for about six years, and I didn't have anything but a battery powered radio. I was off the grid, so I heard them being interviewed on Wk radio in Lexington, Kentucky in 1979 and so I eventually was able to meet them. And so my channeling started in 79 Don and Carla, who were able to, well, Don wanted to as a physics professor who had more ideas than just the logic of physics. He started a group that he was wondering if he could reproduce information that had been produced in Detroit, Michigan. There was a group there that apparently had been contacted by a UFO, and the fellow Walt Rogers had what was called the lingering telepathic contact after the face to face encounter, and so he channeled a bunch of information that later became known as the brown notebook. So Don got a hold of that brown notebook when one of the folks that was in that group was transferred to the Ford Motor Company in Detroit, to the Ford Motor Company here in Louisville. So he wanted to see if he could reproduce that so he asked 12 of his introduction to physics students if they'd be interested in taking part in an experiment. He didn't tell them what it was, because he didn't want to bias them to say that you're going to learn how to channel so so 12 of them agreed. They all really liked don a lot, because he was he had a great sense of humor, and he knew lot, and he told good jokes. And so 12 of them said yes, and one of them asked if he could bring his girlfriend. And so Don said, Sure, we can have more than that. And that was Charlie Rucker. And after a few weeks of not any channeling at all happening. There was a lot of in those days. It was called conditioning. The mouths were opening and closing. Maybe the hair on the back your neck would rise, or something like that. And Carla laughed a lot during those sessions, because she thought it was very funny. And eventually Walt Rogers from Detroit came down to the group, and he kind of ruined the experiment, and he began channeling those of hatan, and said, hatan said, we have contact with most everyone here in the group, but you're not speaking the words you're hearing. You're analyzing them. If you analyze them, you'll stop the process. You need to. Speak them. Take it on with a grain of salt, but say it and afterwards, read the transcript and see what you think of it if no lack of stuff. So Don decided he would just go on with since the scientific nature of the experiment was blown by Rogers channeling a ton, he would just see how much information he could collect. So he was able to discover there are other people around the planet that were getting this type of information. So it was a confirmation of what was going on. So Carla began channeling 1964 she had a little interlude there where she was married to a fellow, the fellow who was his boyfriend, and he cheated on her seven times and went out to Vancouver, British Columbia to avoid the Vietnam War, and discovered he couldn't support himself and his latest companion, so he called Carl and asked if she could come out and support them. And so she did because she saw him, you know, when she was married, that the first time that she was saying, for better or for worse, that she made that promise before God. And so she did that. And after a while, that fellow, Jim, decided that he would another gym, like to have a divorce, which Carla grant granted very happily and but he said, You got to go back to Louisville to join your people. She said, I have 13 people working for me here at this university as a librarian. He said, You gotta go back. And so he did. She did. And when she got back, she made contact with Don again and joined his channeling group. And from there on, she was a channel for hatan, beginning in 74 and La Tuy, the wisdom density in 78 and then, of course, the Ra contact in 81

Alex Ferrari 36:57
Now, RA has spoken a lot about the transitioning into the fourth density. Where are we currently in that transition?

Jim McCarty 37:07
We are at the end of the last 25,000 year cycle. But because of the volatility, as Ra said, of our people, the third density, entities that are all over our planet, it's hard to say exactly how long it will take for the transition to take place. They suggested it would be between 107 100 years, and that was back in 1983 so we're just it's a heart. But they said in one of their sessions that in I think it was 65 point 12. Could your people polarize positively in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends, it is ever possible, but it is not probable. So it could happen at any time. It could take 700 years, most likely somewhere between 107

Alex Ferrari 38:03
What is there anything? Well, first of all, is there, are there people living within the fourth dimension, or the first fourth density on Earth right now? Are we? Is that something that we can do ourselves, if we can transition to the fourth density, or is it very much like a enlightenment or self realization thing like Buddha or Yogananda.

Jim McCarty 38:25
Ra said that everybody who's dropping their body at this time, what we call dying, will walk into the light. And if they are able to walk into fourth density light, then they will become fourth density beings. Now this is true on all third density planets. So Ra said that there were many entities here now who had made the harvest it had got walked into that light made the fourth density and who had come back here in what ra called the doubly activated body, the third and fourth density body, because they see all of the problems we're having here of dissension and war and anger and frustration, separation as a great way to be of service to others, that was grist for the mill, that was a way that they could really grow even further than they had. So we have these entities among us, among us now, and Carla described some of them, and other people around the planet have as indigo children, as Crystal Children, they have their own ways of doing things, of breaking the bonds of the old thoughts that are holding everybody back. So yes, we have others, and some of those are from our planet as well.

Alex Ferrari 39:37
How can individuals better prepare, or best prepare physically, emotionally and spiritually for this planetary shift that we're all going through, that Ra spoke about.

Jim McCarty 39:48
Well, I think, yeah, Carla suggested, whenever we want to try any endeavor that is of a spiritual nature and is challenging, is something that we don't know for sure if we can do, we should set our intents. It, we could go into meditation or prayer or contemplation and make that statement to ourselves, set our intentions for what we want to do, ask the Creator God, whatever you want to call it, to help us, to have our guides to help us, and then just to look at the world around us and to see what synchronicities and coincidences present themselves to us as ways of being of service to others, because that is a basic way we will get where we want to go to the fourth density of love and understanding.

Alex Ferrari 40:32
Jim, you mentioned earlier that you said it very kind of Cavalier, and you said it very quickly that your channeling started in the late 70s, early 80s. Are you a channel as well like Carla?

Jim McCarty 40:46
Yes, these these days after Don passed away in 1984 the Ra contact was no longer possible, so Carla and I continued channeling those of La Tuy and those of Hatton. But two years later, on January 12, 1986 Carla first began channeling and what was called a principle, and it was quo Q, apostrophe, U, O, and Carla wanted to know who quo was, because she she challenged them, and they said they came in the name of Jesus Christ. She challenged three times. They said they were a principle composed of Hatton of the fourth density, a Tweet of the fifth density, and RA of the sixth density, in a step down fashion that was not, as you know, hard to understand, that formed this principle because Carla wanted to channel the highest and best principle that she could. So that is the principle that all of us that we have four different instruments or channels now at L and L research, and when we have our channeling meditations on the second, fourth, Saturday of each month, September through May, then, we each have an opportunity to be a channel and answer the questions, ask, ask close question through the instrument of the we usually have about 1011, people here, but My living room can only hold 15 altogether. So whenever they have a question, then we try to channel the best we can. Whatever Cole has to say. We try to channel it clearly.

Alex Ferrari 42:31
So are you? So when you are channeling, are you a direct Are you? Can you explain your process of channeling?

Jim McCarty 42:38
Well, I use the same tuning process that Carla did. She had a number of prayers that she offered and visualizations and asking their spirit guide to help be with her. And of course, she always asked Jesus to be with her. And so I do the same thing, and all of the instruments or the channels do that back in my bedroom while the attendees are speaking with each other or walking around my gardens. So it usually takes about 10 or 15 minutes for the process of tuning ourselves to occur. Then we come back in to the living room and we have a song, an aspiring song, that we've chosen for everybody to help tune them, to tune the group. And then we say the Lord's Prayer, and we tell people they have a problem with Lord's Prayer. They don't have to say it, just send love and light to the group. And then there's usually a few moments of silence, until I'm aware that quote is with me. And so I go through the same process of challenging quote that Carla did three times in the name of Jesus Christ, because I've had my own experience with Jesus after Carla passed into larger life. And then the channeling begins. And usually each of our instruments or channels, depending upon we we ask everybody before we go back to tune, how many will have questions to ask? And so if there are a lot of questions, we divide them by however many people, sometimes not all of our channels are here. So we divide them by two or three or four, and then we decide to take and then we have to transfer the channel to the next instrument. So that's basically the way it works today. We all channel and quo, and we're all using our own way of tuning, but we're doing the same thing that Carla always recommended, determining a way of challenging by determining what it is that we live for, and, if necessary, would die for. That is the center of our channeling. So of course, for Carla now for me, it's Jesus Christ.

Alex Ferrari 44:37
Now we've we've said in a conversation about RA and the Law of One Jesus's name has been said quite a few times in this conversation. So as a recovering Catholic myself, I'd love to, I'd love to ask you how your faith in Christianity, how you. Were able to reconcile the concept of channeling entities from other other realms and your Christianity, because technically, this is heresy. You're talking to the devil and all these other amazing things. I always love when people's like, Oh, you're these are these are just the demons. They're devils. I'm like, they're really bad at their job, because the stuff that's coming through is really profound and really loving, so they're really bad teammates and devils. But how did you reconcile that faith with what you were doing in such a beautiful way? It seems like it's seamless. And I agree with you 100% it's very seamless for me too to incorporate Christ consciousness with Buddha consciousness with, you know, Yogananda teachings, and mix them all in. I don't have any issue with that. But for people who are watching, who are Christians and have found this interview for some strange reason, and are having trouble reconciling the dogma and the programming that they had to open themselves off, to open open themselves up, not only to Ra teachings, but other esoteric and other Wisdom Teachings of Mystery School teachings throughout throughout the years, to be able to combine those two with still loving Jesus but not dealing with all that baggage that the the church gives us to carry around.

Jim McCarty 46:16
Well, I will give you the most inspiring story first, and I'll give you mine. Okay. When Carla was two years old, she had surgery on her eye. It was pointed toward her third eye in order to correct the vision, and that meant that she had to wear glasses when she was two years old, so when it came time for her nap in the afternoon, she had her crib was over by a window, and her mother would put her in the crib and close the Venetian blinds, and Carla would put her glasses in the Venetian blinds before she went to sleep. But one day, she discovered there was a line of light, a stream of light coming through her glasses, and somehow she was able to travel out of her body on that stream of light to what she called her magic garden. And in that magic garden, she saw Jesus, and he didn't say a word to her, but she could tell that he had been traveling a long time. His his hair was matted and his sandals were dusty, but when he looked into her eyes, she knew what unconditional love was, and she had this experience about 50 times over the next three years. When she was five years old, she told her mom and dad about it, and they said, Oh, that's a sweet thing, little girl, but that was a dream. That's not true. So that never happened again, but for the rest of her life, she was a disciple of Jesus Christ. Now my less inspiring story is in the same year Carla passed in the larger life, which is April 1 2015 on August 31 2015 I was meditating in my living room, where we have our sessions. I was by myself, and I thought I would ask the Creator to come into my heart. And I just thought, since the creator's everywhere, surely I should be able to express it more in my heart. But nothing happened. And I thought, well, that's probably because creators everywhere. And then I asked Jesus to come into my heart. All of a sudden, my heart started beating very fast on its own, and I was crying tears of joy. So that was my experience with Jesus. I was never really much into Christianity or anything before that, it was like water off a duck's back, but Carla had been an Episcopalian, cradle, Episcopalian her whole life, and she sang in the adult choir when she was four years old. And so that's the way it happened for both of us.

Alex Ferrari 49:16
So it sounds like Carla, specifically, she had a very early encounter with Jesus directly that so she wasn't as as skewed by the dogma or the programming of of organized religion, as much it was a direct relationship, a direct contact with him, or experience with him, that allowed her to just understand who he was.

Jim McCarty 49:42
Yes, Carla didn't do dogma. She was a devout Christian, and she went to church every Sunday. She was a member of the altar guild that put all the same instruments, the chalice, the Bible, the candle that we used in the Ra contact. But she only pay her attention to the red print in the Bible, the direct words of Jesus Christ. She didn't do dogma.

Alex Ferrari 50:08
That's beautiful way of looking at that. Now you also mentioned the wanderers earlier in our conversation. Is there a role the Wanderers are playing now during this time of great transformation in human consciousness?

Jim McCarty 50:21
Yes, during the Ra contact in 84 ra suggested that there were 60 million wanderers on the planet today. Then and as time has gone on, in our quote channelings, we've been told by quo that there are probably at least three or four times that amount on the planet now, because Wanderers are also called brothers and sisters of sorrow. And wherever they see sorrow, they see that as a calling for them to come and be of service. But when they're here on the planet, they go through the same forgetting process, the veil of forgetting. So it's a process that wanders have to go through the same process of discovering their spiritual journeys by awakening to it in one way or another. And many wanderers have certain talents after they awaken, that they offer like I was saying before it could be anything. And so the Wanderers are here now in greater numbers than ever before, trying to help the planet. And the people move into the positive polarities. And most of the wanderers, apparently, are from six density. Some are from fourth. But Roz said it takes a great deal of, as they said, foolhardiness or bravery to come to the planet now as a wanderer.

Alex Ferrari 51:45
Oh, really? Why is that?

Jim McCarty 51:46
Because there's so much confusion, separation, anger, war going on, and it's easy for a wanderer not to remember they are a wanderer and to become engulfed in that

Alex Ferrari 51:59
It's fairly intoxicating down here, if you will. So why did so from the Ra perspective? Why does the world seem so chaotic now some more divided, unstable than at least perception of it that has ever been before?

Jim McCarty 52:17
Well, they suggested that when third density. Beings have finished the 75,000 year cycle and walk into the light and are still in the third density. Like I said before, they have to go to another planet, and a lot of them come here. And it also is a feature of the having to repeat the third density, that sometimes it becomes more difficult. But even though it becomes more difficult, eventually everyone will make it into the fourth density and the other densities as well. But it may take a while. It may take a long while.

Alex Ferrari 52:56
So is that why it seems that everything seems to be so much up in the air because all of these, all of these souls who have already gone through this have been sent to summer school here on Earth, if you will, to make up credits because they didn't get it the first three cycles. I'm using that as a joke, but is it kind of true?

Jim McCarty 53:15
Your joke hits the nail on the head.

Alex Ferrari 53:19
So this is Summer School in many ways, for some, not for all, right, right. So we got all these troublemakers coming in from another district, another school district. Our school was fine. These, all these other souls are coming in from another school district, if you will, and they're causing all sorts of trouble.

Jim McCarty 53:38
Well, our school hasn't been that great. No,

Alex Ferrari 53:39
no, it hasn't been that great, but it was a couple of points better than what these guys were.

Jim McCarty 53:44
Yeah, that's true, that's true. But, you know, we have all kinds of souls on this planet, all of them, we've mentioned, Jesus, Buddha, Shankara, and all places in between. You know,

Alex Ferrari 53:56
Is, is this apparent breakdown and assess a necessary part of the evolutionary process, according to Ra?

Jim McCarty 54:07
This is according to rob, there are no mistakes. Everything that happens is something that can help us grow. However, they said, there are surprises, but those can also help us grow. So catalyst is a basic thing we all have to deal with, and the catalyst is something that itself could be seen differently by different people. It's kind of a neutral thing. Some people, according to their pre incarnated programming, or the desires and intentions they've set in this life, have a different way of looking at things, and they may not be the best, so the the chances of being harvested are still there and will occur. But like I said, it's going to take a while.

Alex Ferrari 55:00
So what guidance does the law one and Ra teachings teach us about navigating fear, polarization and disinformation that we're getting today? Because with the rise of the Internet, the rise of AI, we really have no understanding anymore of what's true or what's not true. So everyone's becoming much more skeptical, much more pessimistic about everything because of a lot of disinformation out there. So what is, what is the Ra materials teach us about that?

Jim McCarty 55:33
Well, basically what Ra had to say was the balance to fear is love. They said that everything that occurs gives us an idea about who we are. The Creator is a 360 degree being. The Creator is all of these people that are causing problems, the creators those solving problems to create those who don't know there is a problem. The the you know the creator is everyone. So everyone is teaching the Creator something. But basically, if we're positively oriented entities we need to try to find the love in the moment. I said there was love in every moment, and it was our opportunity to try to find it. So the way I take that from my own understanding is that we could just take everything with a grain of salt, use our own determination, ask our guides, ask ourselves in meditation, that's the creator in meditation. Does that sound right? Is this something I should do? And eventually, I think that for those of us who are spiritually awakened, or for people who want to be spiritually awakened, that simply setting that intention will bring about what is the most important thing for us to think about, anything we see on the news or in the world around us, in our neighborhood, in our workplace, out shopping for groceries, so look at it with a grain of salt. Try to find the love in the moment.

Alex Ferrari 57:01
Is there anything specifically we should do to help center ourselves with this kind of in the eye of the storm that we're all in with this kind of stuff swirling around us? How to center ourselves in a way that we can block this all out? It's very similar to as I'm asking the question Yogananda pops into my head. Christ pops into my head. All these masters pop in my head because that's exactly what they've done, all these yogis, these master yogis, they were able to center themselves in the chaos where the chaos doesn't even affect them, their energy. What they do, they kind of just walk through life with this kind of almost protective shield around them from what everything is going on around them. So is there anything that we can do to center ourselves, other than finding enlightenment?

Jim McCarty 57:49
I think the the RA and all the other entities that we've had contact with over the years have said meditation is the best thing that anyone can do to center themselves and to find that peace and calm, that still, small voice within which is usually said to be the creator or a guide, or perhaps a loved one that has passed on is coming back to help you meditate. Keep that one point of focus on knowing that all is well and that you are part of that. And just keep that focus, and maybe that focus throughout your day will come back to you as you see problems, and just remember that all is well, and all will be well, whether or not it happens right now or in the future. We are all infinite beings. We don't live just this short life. We live forever as part of the Creator.

Alex Ferrari 58:52
Is there a message? Do you think that ra would want to say or want to share with humanity today?

Jim McCarty 59:00
We read Ra's mind,

Alex Ferrari 59:01
Yeah, or based on your based on your understanding of the Ra materials, what we would want to say to humanity at this point of our evolution, which was very different than when he was being channeled in the 80s. Our consciousness has changed a little bit since the 80s to where we are today. So in today where we are right now, what do you think you would want to tell humanity,

Jim McCarty 59:26
No matter who you're looking at, you're looking at the Creator,

Alex Ferrari 59:31
As simple as that. Yep. Now I'm gonna So Jim, I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all of my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Jim McCarty 59:46
Living in my spiritual home, having my gardens and flowers to take care of, and feeling Mother Earth through the earth coming to me, having gas. Hearings here of people who want to listen to what quo has to say with their open hearts, we have a round robin that they share what's the most important to them in their spiritual journeys, to be able to do that with open hearted people, to talk with my neighbors with my open heart, even though we don't agree politically, to be a part of this wonderful area of Anchorage that is like living in a park with so many huge mature trees, oaks, maples, just having friends come To visit now and then friends that I've known for so long, whether that's in in person or like this on a zoom meet. I have three friends of 50 years that get together every six weeks on a zoom meets. So you know, my life is beautiful. I you know, I've had my share of catalyst. We all have there's that's what planet Earth is for. But I processed a lot of difficult catalyst. And the processing of catalyst always brings a balance that is pure and clean and sweet.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:15
Jim, this is not one of the questions I ask everybody, but it just came to me, we've spoken about all these different third dimensional worlds out there and planets, and you were mentioning how fire and water were talking to Earth to create and all that stuff. I wanted to ask you, did Ra ever speak about the spirituality of planets? The soul of planets. Are there souls do these planets? Because Earth is a living organism. There's no question about it. It's our mother. It is what takes care of us. It is what feeds us. It what shelters all of these things. Does, does is there an evolutionary process in the soul of a planet?

Jim McCarty 1:02:01
Yes. Each planet has the same progression that we do. We are all the Creator, evolving in different ways. We all unique beings, and yet we all evolve. So there is a fourth density. Planet Earth now in existence, our planet made it the fourth density before most of the population did, and there will be a fifth density and six density and so forth all the way through. Planets do evolve,

Alex Ferrari 1:02:31
Okay, so it's very similar, but they don't have to come back as much.

Jim McCarty 1:02:37
No, they kind of got a little bit more of a, what shall I say, a knowledge of the situation than we do.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:50
Does having, does having other souls like us on the planet itself help the planet itself grow faster, evolve faster

Jim McCarty 1:03:01
It does, but sometimes the the wars and the dissension and so forth between peoples causes Mother Earth, some problems. One point, Ra mentioned that the the fourth density vibrations are engulfing Mother Earth more and more frequently now. And in order for the planet of Mother Earth to continue to evolve, this wars and dissension and anger and frustration has to be released in a short spurts, rather than all at once. So those short spurts are what we see as volcanoes, tornadoes, zombies, hurricanes and hurricanes that slowly, more slowly. It doesn't seem like it when you're in the middle of one but more slowly than all at once, which could destroy the planet. So that slow experience of difficulties, letting that heat of anger be released more slowly, is the way Mother Earth is able to deal with all the problems that have caused that anger.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:21
Interesting, that's a beautiful way of looking at it all right. Back to the questions. If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Jim, what advice would you give him?

Jim McCarty 1:04:31
Keep dancing. I've always loved to dance all my life. I guess that's probably the thing I've done the most I was I love sports, baseball, football, basketball, but I always love to dance, and so, as a matter of fact, every night before I go to bed, I dance a fast dance and a slow dance in my living room.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:59
Now if. Uh, if what advice would little Jim give you today?

Jim McCarty 1:05:06
Keep dancing.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:08
Keep dancing Same, same advice, fair enough. How do you define God or Source or the Creator?

Jim McCarty 1:05:15
As indefinable as infinite, which is also hard to wrap your head around, before the Creator became the Creator. Apparently it was just intelligent infinity, and at some point, intelligent infinity decided to become a being, a being that we now call God or the creator. And that whole cycle of the densities comes from that choice to know itself. And then as we go through all the densities and the foreverness and the black hole where everything condenses into one, and once again, there's nothing but intelligent infinity, until somehow, somehow it wakes up and wants to do it all over again, wants to dance through the densities.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:12
What is love?

Jim McCarty 1:06:13
For me, love is the open heart, seeing the creator in everyone, and it is the second basic nature of the creation, the one great open heart of love that created everything we have

Alex Ferrari 1:06:34
If you could ask the Creator one question, what would it be?

Jim McCarty 1:06:38
When do I get to see Carl again?

Alex Ferrari 1:06:40
Fair enough. How do you define liberation in this lifetime?

Jim McCarty 1:06:47
Freeing the mind of those thoughts that seem negative and reflecting in the world around us as being the nature of reality, seeing beyond the fear, the anger, the confusion and seeing the creator in everyone.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:12
And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life,?

Jim McCarty 1:07:14
To live, to love, to see the Creator know and to dance with everybody.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:21
And where can people find out more about you, the Ra material and all the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Jim McCarty 1:07:26
You can go to our website, www.llresearch.org and you can read any of the books that Carla or anyone else has written, all of the channeling sessions and for free as the form of PDF downloads.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:47
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Jim McCarty 1:07:51
Have a great day.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:54
It has been Jim, it's been such a pleasure talking to you. Man, love your energy. Your your your, your love that you have for the for what you're doing in the world can just spills off the screen, my friend. I really appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken this planet and get us to the fourth, uh, density, my friend. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing

Jim McCarty 1:08:20
Well, thank you. I appreciate you and everything you're doing sharing this kind of information from me and from who knows how many other people with all of your audience in the world around you.